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| 00:22.59 | A4266 | Yo bru |
| 00:24.00 | A4266 | you there or are ya stalking around in another room? |
| 00:50.29 | Clyphox | bed time.. |
| 00:50.30 | Clyphox | nn |
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| 09:33.02 | nasrat | morning all |
| 09:38.02 | Leeds | morning |
| 09:39.38 | nasrat | how is it in Yorkshire |
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| 09:40.10 | nasrat | hi Jenson |
| 09:40.19 | Jenson | hey nasrat |
| 09:40.24 | Jenson | yay ppl are actually here |
| 09:40.41 | nasrat | for a bit, then shopping :) |
| 09:40.49 | Jenson | shopping yay |
| 09:42.05 | Leeds | coulding in Yorkshire today |
| 09:42.10 | Leeds | uh, cloudy |
| 09:42.19 | nasrat | yeah likewise here |
| 09:42.24 | Davilion | its half way to being overcast here |
| 09:42.29 | Jenson | Leeds: Cold, cloudy and sometimes a little rainy here |
| 09:42.34 | Davilion | going to go for a walk at some point then shopping |
| 09:42.41 | Leeds | looks like summer's gone... ah well - was nice while it lasted |
| 09:42.52 | Jenson | :-| |
| 09:42.57 | nasrat | there is coffee and tech - all is right with the world (plus a long w/e) |
| 09:43.36 | nasrat | Leeds: that's why when my family upgraded I persuaded them to get an iMac. |
| 09:43.55 | Jenson | nasrat: i wanted a mac.....but instead we just kept this and i got linux |
| 09:43.57 | Leeds | "Can you get us on broadband?", "Can you carry a monitor from one house to another and plug it in?", "Can you show me how to plug in my new digital camera?", "I removed and re-installed AOL, because they told me to, and I lost my favourites. Can you get them back?" |
| 09:44.15 | Jenson | lol@ the aol one |
| 09:44.34 | nasrat | I run linux on my old imac, but OS X on the ibook atm |
| 09:44.44 | nasrat | www.google.com |
| 09:45.10 | nasrat | I think that's all I bother with, just hop to sites, plus handy caching :) |
| 09:45.30 | Jenson | My favourites were funny....tons of goth shit, then shit about Titanic and Leo Dicaprio, then F1 (I go through stages) |
| 09:45.43 | Leeds | the answers, in order, are "no - it'll take two weeks", "that's not a computer problem", "RTFM" and "no - you use AOL, that's your problem and theirs" |
| 09:46.27 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 09:47.06 | Jenson | I told my mother not to moved my HDDs that I'd left on the table, and she still did |
| 09:47.40 | Leeds | unfortunately, my (extended) family are Windows-impregnated enough that they'd panic if given a Mac... |
| 09:47.52 | Jenson | heh, sounds like mine |
| 09:48.12 | nasrat | so a nice sunray wouldn't work either :) |
| 09:48.31 | Leeds | one of the other questions was "Which laptop would give me the best price/performance?" from my uncle who's into 'bigger is better' - he didn't like my suggestion of a Macbook :-) |
| 09:48.37 | Leeds | nasrat: needs a server :-( |
| 09:49.15 | nasrat | yeah, isn't the netbooting proprietory so you can't do linux on javastation type booting |
| 09:49.16 | Leeds | if I were going to get a laptop, it'd have to be a powerbook, I think |
| 09:50.05 | nasrat | Yup. I'm really pleased with the performance/battery life/etc of the ibook |
| 09:50.05 | Leeds | sunrays are lower-level than that... they tend to be described as a frambuffer/console on ethernet - think of a graphics card and mouse/keyboard/USB on the end of ethernet rather than plugged into your system |
| 09:50.57 | nasrat | oh cool, I haven't had a chance to play with them other than at expos, etc |
| 09:51.47 | Leeds | they're pretty good at what they do, actually... the flat-display with integrated card reader version is quite cool... the performance isn't amazing, but it's certainly usable for 'end-users' |
| 09:53.24 | Leeds | are they going to update the 15inch powerbooks to the spec of the new 12/17 inch ones? |
| 09:54.45 | nasrat | umm don't know, the rumors I've seen recently are updated ipods, possibly a tablet, incresed cpu on iBooks. |
| 09:56.41 | nasrat | I'd expect them to, or do a 14.1inch one too, unsure of timescale though |
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| 10:31.20 | cozmonort | hi jenson |
| 10:31.44 | cozmonort | hi A466 |
| 10:31.55 | cozmonort | hi A4266 |
| 10:34.15 | Jenson | hi |
| 11:08.23 | dankolb | Leeds: Yes - the 15" is similar spec to the 17" |
| 11:09.26 | Jenson | afternoon dankolb |
| 11:09.27 | dankolb | Although I did rather drool over the 17" one |
| 11:10.28 | cozmonort | hi Jenson hi dankolb |
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| 11:12.36 | Jenson | hey mish |
| 11:12.57 | mish | hiya |
| 11:13.22 | mish | hi Jenson, Hiya Zac |
| 11:13.34 | mish | what you up to? |
| 11:14.33 | Jenson | lol cya Dan |
| 11:14.45 | Jenson | mish: Sitting around, doing nothing...you? |
| 11:15.19 | mish | trying to get ipaq linux useful! maybe tidy office, wireless session later |
| 11:16.18 | Jenson | Have you been on this channel before? |
| 11:16.27 | mish | once - why? |
| 11:16.56 | Jenson | Wondered if I'd met you on here or at gllug, thats all |
| 11:16.57 | mish | ? |
| 11:17.00 | Leeds | mish: are you sure you don't want to be in #handhelds.org :-) |
| 11:17.07 | Leeds | did you see me in oxford? |
| 11:17.32 | Jenson | wb Leeds |
| 11:18.03 | mish | I dunno |
| 11:18.17 | mish | difficult to put nicks to faces! |
| 11:18.21 | Jenson | Were you at the meet on Saturday mish? |
| 11:18.26 | mish | no |
| 11:18.37 | Leeds | do you do oxlug? |
| 11:18.41 | Jenson | mish: http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ircphoto.html :) |
| 11:18.42 | mish | nod |
| 11:18.48 | mish | hehe |
| 11:19.02 | Leeds | were you at oxlug in Jan? |
| 11:19.30 | mish | yes, thus the ipaq : ) |
| 11:19.37 | Leeds | ah, so you saw me :-) |
| 11:19.44 | mish | i c you now. nice tongue |
| 11:20.08 | Jenson | lol |
| 11:20.12 | mish | ; ) |
| 11:20.24 | Leeds | yeah... must do something about that |
| 11:20.25 | Jenson | Leeds is a darling :D |
| 11:20.31 | Leeds | cheers J :-) |
| 11:20.34 | Jenson | yeh Leeds why theys till got that pic |
| 11:20.55 | mish | yes I have an ipaq 3870, i love it, love it. but as always with linx vs windoze trying to get it to do all that windoze does is not that easy |
| 11:21.04 | Leeds | because I don't care enough? :-) |
| 11:21.18 | Jenson | mish: my advice...dont try...just dual boot win or use another sytem for win |
| 11:21.22 | Leeds | mish: where did you get the gnumeric from? |
| 11:21.36 | Leeds | Jenson: dual-booting isn't particularly useful on the ipaq |
| 11:21.50 | Jenson | Leeds: At your shell talk, I'm convinced I was the only one who kept laughing at your jokes |
| 11:21.57 | Jenson | Leeds: yeh, thats why i said use another sys |
| 11:22.22 | mish | i used ipkg finder to find the feed(s) that it suggested |
| 11:22.45 | Leeds | (this should be over there -->) so which feed did it come from? |
| 11:23.28 | mish | ahem i'll have to reboot the machines as i haven't quite got the usb to work after standby |
| 11:24.20 | Jenson | Leeds: Do you know anything about lilo...like why mine just says 'Lilo 22.2 loading DOS' on boot up, and ignores Slack, if I dcc you my lilo.conf? |
| 11:24.33 | Jenson | k mish |
| 11:24.58 | Leeds | Jenson: I'll have a quick look... I'm in the middle of something... and dcc may not work |
| 11:25.13 | Jenson | heh well i'll try, hang on a sec |
| 11:26.15 | Leeds | just /msg it to me |
| 11:26.58 | Jenson | k then |
| 11:27.34 | Jenson | bTW, sorry about all the shit about resolutions...it used to look neat |
| 11:30.07 | Leeds | so what's the problem? you've told it to boot DOS by default... |
| 11:30.57 | Jenson | yeh, but it shouldnt be like that |
| 11:31.03 | Jenson | it fucked itself up |
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| 11:31.22 | Jenson | and it should load lilo with a delay to choose OS and then boot DOS |
| 11:31.22 | Leeds | it should give you a lilo prompt where you can enter Linux or DOS |
| 11:31.29 | Jenson | yeh well it doesnt |
| 11:31.32 | Jenson | thats the problem |
| 11:31.46 | Jenson | it just says 'Lilo 22.2 loading DOs |
| 11:32.08 | Leeds | are you sure it needs the "" around the timeout value? |
| 11:32.27 | Jenson | i dunno, |
| 11:32.30 | Jenson | it got like that |
| 11:32.40 | Jenson | after it destoryed itself and i tried to sort it |
| 11:32.42 | mish | Jenson: in reply to windoze vs linux - i don't mind spending a bit of time doing the linux thing - because windoze is like a staight jacket and the knowledge is not transferable - whereas with linux it is all re-usable |
| 11:33.26 | Leeds | I don't have "" around it on mine... |
| 11:33.27 | Jenson | mish: Which distro you use anyway? |
| 11:33.38 | Jenson | Leeds: I'll take them out then |
| 11:33.50 | mish | debian - and mandrake for quick installs |
| 11:34.00 | Jenson | oh a debian user :D |
| 11:34.02 | mish | oh yes and mandrake wheelmouse works out of box |
| 11:34.08 | mish | u? |
| 11:34.12 | Jenson | Slack |
| 11:34.41 | Jenson | I dont so much use Slack as make a mess of it actually |
| 11:34.49 | mish | lol |
| 11:35.01 | Leeds | oh god |
| 11:35.10 | Jenson | I'm an 18 year old newbie geekgirl, who when presented with RedHat or Slack at a comp fair chose Slack lol |
| 11:35.12 | Leeds | don't tell me bloody knoppix doesn't have the mysql headers... |
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| 11:35.33 | dummy | hey anyone running gnome2 here |
| 11:35.35 | Jenson | Leeds: When you getting back home to which ever distro you usually use...Slack I'm thinking |
| 11:35.41 | Jenson | heya dummy. no im not |
| 11:35.46 | dummy | wass the cmd to modify the sound |
| 11:35.54 | dummy | gnome 1.4 it was gmixer ro whateva |
| 11:36.14 | Leeds | Jenson: Sunday/Monday... but I'm trying to do some stuff here before leaving |
| 11:36.21 | Leeds | hey dummy... can't help, I'm sorry |
| 11:36.23 | dummy | hey Jenson :) |
| 11:36.27 | Jenson | I'm gonna go out, I think it'll be warmer goiong for a walk than sitting here in this freezing house |
| 11:36.36 | Jenson | Leeds: then get offline and get it done ;-) |
| 11:36.57 | Jenson | byeeeeee all. |
| 11:36.58 | mish | Leeds: o.k. can you recommend a feed/distro/gui combo that has useful pim? |
| 11:37.07 | mish | Jenson: get warm now |
| 11:37.12 | dummy | Leeds: ahhh maybe i should jsut run gnome2 and clcik every button on the panel...suprisingly no one knows :) even gnome 2 users.... |
| 11:37.26 | Leeds | mish: there's always opie... or you could try the core GPE stuff... I don't really do PIM stuff on my iPAQ |
| 11:37.46 | mish | hehe no1 that uses linux seems to |
| 11:37.58 | mish | ~ # ipkg install gnumeric |
| 11:37.59 | mish | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gnumeric: |
| 11:37.59 | mish | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.20 | Leeds | that's very strange... |
| 11:38.24 | Leeds | are you using opie or X? |
| 11:38.56 | mish | erm this flash was opie - latest, maybe i should go back to gpe familiar 0.6 |
| 11:39.09 | mish | i like the idea of tiny-x |
| 11:39.21 | Leeds | ah |
| 11:39.35 | mish | opie .06 was very limited |
| 11:39.35 | Leeds | so you're trying to run an X program without an X server or libraries installed? good call :-) |
| 11:40.02 | Leeds | ibot lart mish |
| 11:40.37 | Leeds | heh |
| 11:41.04 | Leeds | I've never really used opie... I just installed it for that oxlug meeting so I could show it to people... |
| 11:41.25 | mish | opie seems a sort of halfway between linux and windoze |
| 11:41.40 | Leeds | it's a PDA environment on top of Linux... it's not Linux on a PDA |
| 11:41.54 | mish | xactly |
| 11:43.00 | mish | i have had a lot of fun with linux on ipaq. thanks for the talk. i will know when i have got it working enough when i have, mp3 streaming, spreadsheet, bluetooth and gnokki working. heheh. |
| 11:43.27 | Leeds | I have mp3 working great (ogg is better...) |
| 11:43.28 | mish | i hope that i don't make anymore really stupid mistakes like the gnumeric one |
| 11:43.38 | Leeds | I didn't finish setting up bluetooth, but I will... |
| 11:43.45 | Leeds | I don't want a spreadsheet, but I do need vim |
| 11:43.51 | mish | what client? - you showed a movie too - how was that? |
| 11:44.05 | Leeds | and I don't have gnokki, but I do have dial-up over irda with my phone |
| 11:44.16 | mish | yes the vi is a bit clunky - wne ideas when vim will happen? |
| 11:44.29 | Leeds | I use mplayer... it's *just* powerful enough to play videos if you work at the transcoding |
| 11:44.38 | Leeds | I built my own vim :-) |
| 11:44.44 | mish | : P |
| 11:44.45 | Leeds | and I showed it to the author, and he approved :-) |
| 11:44.50 | mish | : ) |
| 11:45.10 | mish | i supsect it would be a lot of work to package it? |
| 11:46.25 | Leeds | not a huge amount... but I really hate packaging stuff... it's what I do at work, and I do it because I'm paid to do it |
| 11:46.28 | Leeds | mencoder |
| 11:47.35 | mish | maybe i'll make enough money so as to be able to fund oss packagers some ! |
| 11:49.46 | Leeds | heh |
| 11:50.58 | mish | hey thanks for spotting the obvious. maybe i'll get to surf the web from the woods under linux soon. hurragh |
| 11:50.58 | Leeds | ssh into ipaq5.handhelds.org as guest, cd ~richardc/vim61 and grab a copy |
| 11:51.34 | Leeds | but it's an X copy :-) |
| 11:51.34 | mish | project number 5 build irc server so as to be able to get secure access to irc.handhelds.org |
| 11:51.40 | mish | am re-flashing now |
| 11:54.18 | mish | hey thanks leeds. am in the directory now. but admit to having only used scp, nad not done any file trasfer over ssh. blush |
| 11:55.27 | Leeds | so either use scp (scp guest@ipaq5.handhelds.org:/home/richardc/vim61/foo) or send the files from ipaq5 to your home machine... push rather than pull |
| 11:55.38 | mish | sure |
| 11:56.03 | mish | yes the question is lame but how to push over ssh |
| 11:56.58 | Leeds | you can't... I wish you could |
| 11:57.10 | mish | ahh so not so lame then : ) |
| 11:57.16 | Leeds | you need to run something like ftp (or even scp) from ipaq5 to your home machine |
| 11:57.24 | mish | nod |
| 11:57.46 | mish | so when you next in oxfud? |
| 11:58.20 | Leeds | not planned to be... |
| 11:58.42 | Leeds | I live in London, and I'm currently in Leeds... agk asked me to come to Oxford to talk :-) |
| 11:59.03 | mish | ho hum. agk is wise man ; ) |
| 11:59.46 | Leeds | indeed he is :-) |
| 11:59.54 | mish | and it is nice to see you using knoppix. 3.2 is nice if a bit xp'y |
| 12:00.36 | mish | project number 6 make knoppix + ipaq + usbpen drive set up |
| 12:00.56 | Leeds | it's only because I'm trying to get some work done on my parents machine over the weekend and I didn't think they'd appreciate my smashing their machine up with frustration over Windows... |
| 12:01.51 | mish | hey what wrong with knoppix? i think that it is a part of the evolution. hot computing over hotdesking. just need the re-compilation to evolve a bit |
| 12:03.15 | Leeds | it's slow with the CD spinning down... and I've found that it's lacking as a development system |
| 12:04.53 | mish | well yes there is that. but - with usb sizes growing cd will be out in a couple of years maybe less. neway i like it. |
| 12:07.57 | Leeds | it's not bad for emergencies... |
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| 12:10.32 | cozmonort | hi room |
| 12:11.54 | cozmonort | Clyphox: thx for the help I've got my video card working now :-) but my mouse is screwed :.( |
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| 12:16.00 | pdr | shub |
| 12:17.34 | cozmonort | hi pdr |
| 12:18.16 | pdr | hi cozmonort |
| 12:18.46 | cozmonort | was u at the last gllug ? |
| 12:18.51 | pdr | yep |
| 12:18.54 | dummy | wass the command toenable dma on bsd? |
| 12:19.05 | dummy | dma=¨yes¨ |
| 12:19.07 | dummy | ? |
| 12:19.22 | dummy | dma_load i mean |
| 12:19.30 | pdr | nfi dummy |
| 12:19.37 | cozmonort | sorry noob |
| 12:19.40 | dummy | nfi? |
| 12:19.44 | pdr | no idea |
| 12:19.46 | dummy | noob? |
| 12:19.55 | cozmonort | i was the dude that came with alex and david |
| 12:20.01 | cozmonort | newbie |
| 12:20.30 | pdr | did you go to the party? |
| 12:20.48 | cozmonort | yeah got kinda drunk after 6 pints |
| 12:21.01 | cozmonort | still was able to hold my own though |
| 12:21.34 | pdr | tmi i think |
| 12:22.01 | pdr | that was at the pub, or at the party after the pub and movie? |
| 12:22.35 | cozmonort | there was a party after the pub ?? |
| 12:23.00 | pdr | yeah - a mate of mine's 24th, but i invited everyone along |
| 12:23.13 | cozmonort | [damn] |
| 12:23.31 | pdr | http://ruled.net/gallery/albun51 |
| 12:23.55 | cozmonort | using lynx my mouse is freakin out at the moment |
| 12:24.17 | pdr | zgv working? |
| 12:24.20 | cozmonort | just finnished installing video card 2:00 last night |
| 12:25.11 | cozmonort | zgv ? |
| 12:25.31 | pdr | works well with lynx when you don't have X |
| 12:25.38 | pdr | it's a graphics viewer |
| 12:25.47 | cozmonort | hows it wrk ? |
| 12:25.48 | pdr | there's xzgv too |
| 12:26.05 | pdr | it uses either fb or libsvga, can't remember which |
| 12:26.10 | pdr | probably the former |
| 12:31.18 | cozmonort | dont seem to be getting it working, might try later on but i'll right down the link thx |
| 12:33.20 | pdr | the link is just some photos from the party - including a couple of alex |
| 12:34.01 | cozmonort | hihi |
| 12:34.28 | *** join/#gllug skugg (~stig@braut.plus.com) |
| 12:34.36 | pdr | hi stig |
| 12:34.55 | skugg | hi pete :) |
| 12:35.02 | skugg | what's up? |
| 12:35.13 | pdr | not a lot |
| 12:35.22 | skugg | isn't it always... |
| 12:35.23 | skugg | :) |
| 12:35.23 | pdr | busy as always, taking a break at the moment |
| 12:35.30 | skugg | yeah, me too. |
| 12:35.30 | pdr | yep :) |
| 12:35.39 | pdr | what are you up to? |
| 12:35.57 | skugg | writing up the report for my BSc AI project. |
| 12:36.06 | skugg | (final year stuffs) |
| 12:36.09 | pdr | what's the topic? |
| 12:36.22 | Leeds | afternoon skugg |
| 12:36.34 | skugg | pdr, generalising game-tree search |
| 12:36.39 | skugg | hi leeds :) |
| 12:36.50 | pdr | hi richard |
| 12:37.18 | skugg | mozilla won't let me log into freshmeat.net ... links works fine though. |
| 12:37.22 | pdr | skugg: sounds interesting. is that so you can use the alpha-beta algorithm for stuff other than games? |
| 12:37.29 | skugg | i've made certain i've got cookies enabled |
| 12:38.21 | skugg | pdr, not quite (but possibly). it's more targeted at developing a generalised library for alpha-beta search, to make it more available to inexperienced programmers. |
| 12:38.29 | skugg | too many games are just a pretty frontend :P |
| 12:38.36 | pdr | hehe |
| 12:38.54 | pdr | sounds like a worthwhile concept |
| 12:39.27 | pdr | skugg: you might have explicitly blocked cookies from fm.net |
| 12:39.44 | pdr | skugg: this will be in effect even if you have cookies enabled |
| 12:39.46 | skugg | too few games actually has any AI whatsoever: GNOME Iagno moves randomly at the easiest setting... at the hardest setting it applies a "search" to the next level. |
| 12:40.03 | skugg | pdr, i've checked and verified that I have not done so. |
| 12:40.05 | pdr | it's pretty easy to beat too |
| 12:40.10 | skugg | pdr, yeah. |
| 12:40.28 | skugg | pdr, if you're interested: brautaset.org/projects.html#ggtl |
| 12:40.48 | skugg | (or, better yet: find it on freshmeat and rate me! :D ) |
| 12:42.45 | skugg | i've got an idea for how to improve a bit on the design as i'm documenting now, so I'm a bit torn between coding up this new change or simply describe how I would do it better in the report. it shouldn't be too much work to fix the code... |
| 12:43.06 | skugg | (here's for hoping, at least ;) |
| 12:44.23 | cozmonort | can anybody help me sort my mouse out using slack, its a Logitech mouse and I've treid configuring it using xf86config but when i move it it just jumps alot and doesnt do much else |
| 12:44.56 | pdr | skugg: love the screen shot |
| 12:45.12 | pdr | skugg: i rated it a 9 cuase I'm sure it's good :-) |
| 12:45.37 | pdr | cozmonort: slak?! sheesh, good luck. |
| 12:45.58 | cozmonort | why do u say that ? |
| 12:46.03 | pdr | cozmonort: your best bet is probably to edit the config file by hand |
| 12:46.33 | pdr | cozmonort: i'm just being a distro bigot - that's all |
| 12:46.47 | cozmonort | what distro do u recommend |
| 12:47.09 | pdr | it probably depends on your experience level. |
| 12:47.58 | pdr | i've been using linux for about ten years now, and i find debian the easiest to maintain, but it's a little tricky to install at first, and requires you to read documentation sometimes. |
| 12:48.01 | skugg | pdr, thanks man ;) |
| 12:48.07 | pdr | skugg: np |
| 12:48.12 | skugg | i'm pretty happy about the screenshot myself. |
| 12:48.39 | cozmonort | after getting my video card to work under slack im use to reading documentation |
| 12:48.40 | skugg | though now there is an additional graphical frontend (using glut) |
| 12:49.13 | skugg | I've also written a connect4 game, just to show that the library works for different games. |
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| 13:08.47 | Clyphox2 | ping |
| 13:09.21 | skugg | pong |
| 13:09.31 | Leeds | king |
| 13:10.07 | Clyphox2 | Yay |
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| 13:26.04 | pdr | frub |
| 13:26.40 | pdr | ok, i should go do something useful |
| 13:26.41 | pdr | bbl |
| 13:41.33 | dummy | dankolb: ua round? |
| 13:41.37 | dankolb | Just rejoined |
| 13:41.54 | dummy | dankolb: are you familiar with bsd? |
| 13:42.02 | dankolb | A bit |
| 13:42.17 | dummy | well you see umm is there a thing like LD_PATHS on bsd? |
| 13:42.32 | dankolb | Not AFAIA |
| 13:42.45 | dummy | i see |
| 13:43.02 | dummy | i dont see the point fo having a linux base then |
| 13:43.25 | dummy | gaim cries out for libc.so.6 default installed is libc.so.4 |
| 13:43.40 | dummy | if i copy it to /usr/lib it works untill i reboot |
| 13:44.03 | dummy | libc.so.6 exists under the linux base under /usr/compact/linux/lib which is full of em |
| 13:44.22 | Clyphox2 | hi dan |
| 13:44.25 | Clyphox2 | dummy |
| 13:44.32 | dummy | hey Clyphox |
| 13:44.35 | dummy | 2 |
| 13:44.54 | Clyphox2 | dankolb: ordered my domain off blackcat.. nice guys |
| 13:45.03 | dankolb | Good :) |
| 13:45.12 | dankolb | Why do you want a Linux base? |
| 13:45.15 | dankolb | Gaim is in ports |
| 13:45.20 | dankolb | Install it through there |
| 13:45.24 | dummy | no i emant bsd offers a linux base |
| 13:45.34 | dummy | i need libc.so.6 fro a plugin |
| 13:45.38 | dummy | *for |
| 13:46.08 | Clyphox2 | dummy: have you tried asking in the Xbsd room? |
| 13:46.17 | dummy | yeah they are too arrogant |
| 13:46.33 | dummy | even they dont have an answer as long as they are running bsd...ahh gods |
| 13:46.33 | dankolb | My main FreeBSD machine is at work |
| 13:46.35 | Clyphox2 | I know the feeling |
| 13:46.39 | dankolb | And I've turned it off |
| 13:46.49 | dummy | everytime ia ska question in #freebsd they laugh at me |
| 13:46.49 | Clyphox2 | well the guys in netbsd might be able to help.. nice ppl |
| 13:46.53 | dankolb | Can't you compile the plugin? |
| 13:47.12 | dankolb | FreeBSD has a RedHat 7 base system in it - that should have libc.so.6 |
| 13:47.16 | dummy | maybe i should |
| 13:47.29 | dummy | like is aid it libc.so.4 under /usr/lib |
| 13:47.36 | dummy | the linux libs have libc.so.6 |
| 13:47.42 | dummy | so when ic opy it to /usr/lib |
| 13:47.44 | dummy | it works |
| 13:47.50 | dummy | until i reboot then gaim doesnt laod at all |
| 13:48.04 | dankolb | Because the Linux base installs to /compat/linux |
| 13:48.08 | dummy | yes |
| 13:48.23 | dummy | but no app searches that dir for libs |
| 13:48.27 | dummy | you know what i mean? |
| 13:48.33 | dankolb | ln -s /compat/linux/usr/lib/libc.so.6 /usr/lib |
| 13:48.48 | dummy | hwo do you undo a symlink? |
| 13:48.55 | dankolb | rm |
| 13:48.55 | Clyphox2 | ln -s source dest |
| 13:49.01 | Clyphox2 | er |
| 13:49.15 | dummy | rm? |
| 13:49.24 | dankolb | man rm |
| 13:50.04 | dummy | hehe |
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| 13:50.32 | dummy | dankolb: that worked :) |
| 13:50.40 | dummy | hopefully it wont conflict |
| 13:50.41 | Clyphox2 | Tom! |
| 13:51.23 | cozmonort | hi tom hi david |
| 13:51.36 | resuDaed | Clyphox2 : are you downloading from your parents place? |
| 13:52.01 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:52.22 | Clyphox2 | resuDaed: yup... are they upset? |
| 13:52.41 | Clyphox2 | resuDaed: left my archive behind so gotta download it all again hehe |
| 13:52.53 | resuDaed | I AM DAMMIT!! can you throttle it and leave me with some room for TCP/IP overhead? |
| 13:53.00 | Clyphox2 | cozmonort: are you Costa or Alex? |
| 13:53.05 | cozmonort | Costa |
| 13:53.07 | dummy | i jsut realised gtk-gnutella is really good |
| 13:53.14 | Clyphox2 | resuDaed: 5k enough? |
| 13:53.21 | Clyphox2 | cozmonort: Hi Costa :-) |
| 13:53.26 | cozmonort | :-) |
| 13:53.27 | resuDaed | pleanty |
| 13:53.39 | cozmonort | gotvideo card working thx for the help |
| 13:54.08 | cozmonort | 2:00 am lat night [ahh this morning] |
| 13:54.26 | Clyphox2 | cozmonort: Now for the mouse eh? |
| 13:54.43 | cozmonort | yeah getting Tom to help |
| 13:56.23 | cozmonort | after that i should have fun with a printer scanner and a webcam to go |
| 13:58.07 | Clyphox2 | resuDaed: better? |
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| 13:59.59 | resuDaed | Clyphox2 : still suffering some lag :-S |
| 14:00.08 | zachary | afternoon all |
| 14:00.26 | resuDaed | cozmonort : starting X again, tell me how the mouse goes |
| 14:00.32 | cozmonort | k |
| 14:00.34 | resuDaed | afternoon zachary |
| 14:02.53 | cozmonort | hi again, didnt work |
| 14:02.55 | Clyphox2 | resuDaed: I'll just finnish downloading "The Cult" stuff then its all yours.. |
| 14:03.44 | cozmonort | Clyphox: what did you do to get the mouse going because its the same setup apart from the graphics card |
| 14:04.09 | Clyphox2 | cozmonort: The type is IMPS/2 I think |
| 14:04.23 | Clyphox2 | cozmonort: maybe add : Option "Buttons" "3" |
| 14:04.36 | Clyphox2 | cozmonort: and : Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 14:05.04 | zachary | brb |
| 14:05.45 | resuDaed | Clyphox : I am hacking his config on his behalf |
| 14:06.12 | resuDaed | I already have IMPS/2, and have tried the ZAxis |
| 14:08.04 | Clyphox2 | Whats the problem? |
| 14:08.17 | Clyphox2 | zaxismapping is just the wheel.. |
| 14:09.45 | resuDaed | mouse is misbehaving |
| 14:09.57 | resuDaed | seni |
| 14:10.06 | Clyphox2 | Zipps accross the screen at random? |
| 14:10.23 | resuDaed | when you attempt to move it apparantly |
| 14:10.25 | cozmonort | yep |
| 14:10.26 | Clyphox2 | its not a Intellimouse maybe? |
| 14:10.49 | resuDaed | it s Logitech, but apparantly is still IMPS/2 |
| 14:10.54 | Clyphox2 | Change IMPS/2 back to plain PS/2 and you should be safe |
| 14:11.03 | Clyphox2 | Does it have a wheel? |
| 14:11.08 | cozmonort | yep |
| 14:11.37 | Clyphox2 | Well a plain PS2 set to IMPS2 does go accross the screen madly when moved.. |
| 14:11.51 | Clyphox2 | I gtg.. think I have loose PCI cards in my box.. |
| 14:11.54 | Clyphox2 | (Yay) |
| 14:11.55 | resuDaed | ok, trying PS/2 |
| 14:12.00 | Clyphox2 | bbl |
| 14:12.07 | Clyphox2 | NetBSD rocks!</Rant> |
| 14:13.27 | cozmonort | arg still doing it |
| 14:13.34 | resuDaed | grrr |
| 14:15.02 | cozmonort | this is anoying me as much as its anoying u [maybe more] |
| 14:23.33 | dummy | wass the trouble? |
| 14:23.49 | resuDaed | dummy : trying to configure his mouse |
| 14:23.56 | dummy | what mous eu got? |
| 14:24.06 | resuDaed | Logitech Wheel |
| 14:24.11 | dummy | type this |
| 14:24.26 | dummy | device |
| 14:24.29 | dummy | /dev/psaux |
| 14:24.34 | dummy | then startx |
| 14:24.39 | dummy | you should be good |
| 14:28.05 | resuDaed | dummy : protocol? |
| 14:28.11 | dummy | ps/2 |
| 14:30.37 | cozmonort | Still not working |
| 14:30.49 | cozmonort | maybe i should buy new mouse ? |
| 14:31.13 | resuDaed | cozmonort : are there any settings on the mouse itself, a little switch or anything? |
| 14:31.45 | cozmonort | nope |
| 14:34.10 | dummy | cozmonort: not possible |
| 14:34.13 | dummy | im using it right now |
| 14:34.27 | dummy | what distro is this? |
| 14:34.36 | dummy | what exactl si wrong with the mouse? |
| 14:36.27 | cozmonort | when i trymoving it it goes in all directions and the menu comees up automatically |
| 14:36.49 | cozmonort | and im using slack |
| 14:37.01 | dummy | cozmonort: did you edit XF86Config? |
| 14:37.09 | dummy | paste the section ue dited udner mouse |
| 14:37.13 | dummy | *edited |
| 14:37.13 | resuDaed | cozmonort : I need to go have a shower |
| 14:37.18 | resuDaed | bbl |
| 14:37.22 | cozmonort | k |
| 14:37.48 | cozmonort | resuDead was hacking into it for me |
| 14:37.55 | dummy | well if you apste it |
| 14:37.59 | dummy | i can see ur mistakes |
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| 14:45.05 | dummy | sorry about that my net died |
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| 14:56.24 | pdr | 'lo |
| 14:57.29 | pdr | hmm.. where is everyone? |
| 14:57.36 | pdr | i haven't had an email in minutes! |
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| 14:59.36 | pdr | hi dummy |
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| 15:14.58 | dankolb | blah |
| 15:15.38 | Freedevil | :) |
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| 16:12.28 | Clyphox | re |
| 16:16.27 | Freedevil | be |
| 16:17.19 | Clyphox | Freedevil: you sound like a BSD fan.. |
| 16:18.47 | Freedevil | its me dummy |
| 16:18.58 | Freedevil | i like it a lo |
| 16:19.00 | Freedevil | lot |
| 16:19.08 | Clyphox | Cool.. |
| 16:19.16 | Freedevil | nothing ever works right if i play a movie X dies this is fabulous |
| 16:19.31 | Freedevil | sure is fraggin me :) |
| 16:19.38 | Clyphox | Weird.. what player is it? |
| 16:19.48 | Freedevil | xine i switched to mplayer |
| 16:20.02 | Freedevil | hats off to nvidia there driver is very good |
| 16:20.13 | pdr | but not free |
| 16:20.26 | Freedevil | they are free pdr |
| 16:20.34 | pdr | no they're not |
| 16:20.38 | Freedevil | dude |
| 16:20.41 | Freedevil | ur agruing with me? |
| 16:20.48 | Freedevil | http://nvidia.com/linux |
| 16:20.56 | Freedevil | go check freebsd drivers |
| 16:21.05 | pdr | :-) |
| 16:21.13 | Freedevil | :) |
| 16:21.14 | pdr | ok free as in beer maybe |
| 16:21.18 | Freedevil | you gotta rebuild the kernel |
| 16:21.26 | Freedevil | but thats not hard at all |
| 16:21.27 | Clyphox | Freedevil: free to use but not open.. |
| 16:21.41 | Freedevil | infact if Clyphox rmemebers linux troubled me a lot with kernel build haha |
| 16:22.04 | Freedevil | but Clyphox id di workaround it the eth0 errors |
| 16:22.05 | Clyphox | At least nvidia co-operated with the linux ppl quite well.. still suck tho |
| 16:22.18 | Freedevil | i think nvidia is good |
| 16:22.21 | Clyphox | Ohh I remember now.. |
| 16:22.25 | Freedevil | people might diss it |
| 16:22.37 | Clyphox | Freedevil: ever used a Matrox? |
| 16:22.46 | Freedevil | no i ahve used only geforce |