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06:40.08zacharygood morning
06:52.15murblemoin
06:53.56eye69murble: I've started fiddling with IPv6...or at least started reading the docs...
06:55.08zacharymorning eye69, another late night? (side note. I'm starting to look at IPv6 as well.)
06:55.43eye69Can't go to bed...waiting for clueless delivery guys to get here with my bedframe
06:56.30murbleI've been on a bus from Cork
06:56.42murbleit did arrive 1.5 hours early so i can't really complain that much.
06:57.19eye69zachary: Your migrane as bad as mine (over IPv6)?
06:59.05zacharyno, not yet. But haven't done serious reading on it in over two years when it still on the drawing board. So I do need to be reaquanted?
06:59.43eye69I haven't done any real testing as of yet...signed up for a tunnel...
06:59.54eye69ipng.org.uk I think
07:02.14zacharySuse already has it implemented in 8.2 so I thought it would be a good time to start.
07:04.15eye69Debian has had it implemented for quite some time, but I haven't bothered until now
07:04.40eye69My guess is that when it comes to getting implemented companies are going to need people that know it
07:05.27zacharyVery much so! :o)
07:06.16zacharyWonder how many push-button techies are going to catch on.
07:06.33eye69Hehehe
07:06.38eye69That'll be fun
07:12.07eye69Anyway, shower
08:02.00dankolbMorning
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08:15.01SPQRg'day all
08:15.50dankolbg'day Bruce
08:16.10SPQRg'day (cell) mate
08:18.03dankolbGood Easter?
08:18.38SPQRnot bad thx :) Yourself?
08:19.38dankolbYeah, quite good :)
08:20.14JDmorning
08:20.31SPQRmornin
08:20.46JDso not a good weekend
08:20.54SPQRlol
08:20.59SPQReaster eggs?
08:21.02dankolbToo much chocolate?
08:21.05JDI didn't even eat any fecking chocolate
08:21.09JDgrrrrr
08:21.13dankolbAww
08:21.28SPQRpoor baby  :( What where you eating then?
08:21.48JDgodf knows
08:22.12SPQRwell ya should know!! You ate it all :P
08:23.55JDI had a roast at lunch, but not as much as other people
08:24.05JDand a light dinner
08:24.24JDnothing that deserves 5 fucking pounds
08:25.32SPQRdid ya do much excise?
08:25.38SPQRthat could explain it...
08:26.24SPQRohh, nothing in the baby bit btw. Was trying to sound like a women trying to sould like she gives a damn :P
08:26.49JDbut I know what you look like :)
08:27.34SPQRlol :P Don't let the long hair fool ya :P I'm all male underneath :P
08:27.55SPQRdid ya get your normal excise yesterday?
08:31.22SPQRDon't forget, it is half term so its not as busy as usual...
08:36.13JDI only go to london maybe twice a month
08:36.57murblewhy would you want to go to london?
08:37.09JDgllug?
08:37.20JDwe also have several customers in C. London
08:37.49SPQRahh.
08:37.50murbleoh so for no good reason :)
08:37.56SPQRg2g, work
09:07.38zacharybbl
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09:45.53dankolbClyphox!
09:45.56dankolbHi cup
09:46.18Clyphoxmornin Dan
09:46.29dankolbGood Easter?
09:46.44Clyphoxyeah you?
09:47.12dankolbYeah, thanks
09:48.14ClyphoxBlackcat arn't too bad.. nice guys
09:48.53dankolbYup
09:49.45murbleClyphox: you have a machine at BCN?
09:50.40Clyphoxmurble: just getting my domain through them..
09:54.35ClyphoxI've still never received my certificate 2years on.. :-(
09:55.47dankolbAww
09:59.18JDClyphox: .uk?
09:59.35ClyphoxJD: .net
09:59.49JDI didn;t think you got one for those
09:59.55JDI know oyu do for .uk
10:00.11JDalthough that should probably stop
10:00.27ClyphoxGood point.. I don't know anyone else with a .net
10:02.37JDI never got one for a .com
10:03.01Clyphoxyeah my customers with .com's got their certs too
10:04.15dankolbAnd I didn't get a cert
10:15.47eye69Where is a good place to get MiniITX?
10:16.01Clyphoxmini-itx.com and ebay
10:16.16eye69Thanks
10:16.24Clyphoxeye69: I recommend mini-itx.com
10:25.39JDthere was a complay selling a tiny machine
10:25.45JDI can't remember who it was
10:25.56JDone of the UK itx resellers
10:26.14Clyphoxjool ?
10:27.02ClyphoxThere's lots.. virtually every third page has a "revolutionary new computer (itx)" on it in CTO now..
10:27.18Clyphoxquite funny really
10:29.08dankolbAccording to Google, it's Earth Day today
10:29.16dankolbNice logo
10:29.21JDanswer GCI have a really cool machine
10:29.23Freedevilweeeeeeeeeeee
10:29.41JDsame size as a 5 1/4" drive bay
10:30.25Clyphoxyeah..I saw it at the CTO expo 2 years ago.
10:30.44ClyphoxI prefer the silent openbrick's
10:30.52Clyphoxsilence is the key...
10:31.17Clyphoxthis reminds me.. must buy zallman cpu coolers..
10:35.36JDbrb
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10:42.42dankolbHi sash
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10:42.56sashHello dank
10:43.07Clyphoxohh lonestar
10:43.12Clyphoxhi sash
10:43.44sashHello Clyphox, who are you in RL?
10:44.10Clyphoxsash: SL
10:44.21Clyphoxsash: ScotLand :-P
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10:50.17ClyphoxJD: sleeping on the keyboard?
10:51.46dankolbIs it me, or is the Gllug list slow today?
10:52.45Clyphoxno idea..
10:53.00ClyphoxI try hard not to know much you know!
10:53.06JDClyphox: needed to reboot satellite terminal
10:53.12dankolb:)
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10:53.49dankolb<PROTECTED>
10:53.56dankolbBwah. Slow job
10:54.07sashdankolb: What have you been collecting in my absence?
10:54.16dankolbNot much, actually
10:54.17JDClyphox: and then irssi connected twice to each server
10:54.23dankolbI got a PC, and I think that's it
10:54.25JDClyphox: and then had the wrong nick
10:54.30JDand ...
10:54.33ClyphoxJD: hehe
10:54.48ClyphoxJD: must be a horrid ping? bad for your quake life..
10:54.56JDClyphox: yeah
10:55.02JD700ms+
10:55.33Clyphoxgive me a painfull death over a 200+ ping!
11:00.56JDI don't really play games though
11:01.13JDalthough I do tend to do a fair amount of ssh
11:04.45Clyphoxat least you can DL at a ok lick?
11:07.32JDClyphox: can do up to 1.5Mbit/s
11:07.35JDmaybe more
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11:32.52Clyphoxwb sash
11:33.24sashty
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13:09.37mumbleshello
13:09.39dankolbHi
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13:10.23mumbleshiya mish
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13:20.38dankolbHi paul
13:20.48nasrathi
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13:27.18mumblesannyone here know how to make a webcam got online nd send pictures to a webpage?
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13:36.39sashclear
13:38.17dankolbmud
13:47.16SPQRmissisipi mud
13:47.45nasrateuston pie
13:48.38dankolbCharing Cross pavlova
13:50.03dankolbOr are we not playing Mornington Crescent with dessert names?
13:50.20nasratI assumed that's what was happening :)
13:50.31dankolb:)
13:52.09nasratcanary wharf profitteroles
13:52.34SpudULikeVictoria Sponge
13:52.48murblenasrat: isnt' that illegal under then 1994 dlr ruling?
13:53.36SpudULikeI don't say very much, but when I do ....
13:53.48SpudULikeI usually wish I hadn't!
13:54.18nasratmurble: and I thought no-one would notice
13:54.46dankolbYou would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky kids
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13:55.37zacharyafternoon
13:55.43dankolbhi
13:55.48sashMoo
13:56.02zacharySASH!!!!!!!!!!!!1
13:56.23zacharythe other two heat sinks came in today.
13:56.33zacharyhi dan
13:56.55dankolbAny word about the next Installfest?
13:57.05SPQRWhat id the Mornington Crescent game? I've heard of it. But don't know what it is
13:57.21zacharyI've requested 21 June from the uni, I haven't received a confirmation yet.
13:57.21sashzachary: Thanks, silly seller was mucking me about.
13:58.08dankolbzachary: Woot! I should be able to make that :)
13:59.13zacharydankolb: We made a request of dates that takes us to the end of the year. As soon as I get the confirmations I'll post them on the web site.
13:59.31dankolbExcellent :)
13:59.39dankolbIs there going to be a meeting in May at all?
14:00.02sashWoohoo, dankolb volunteered to arrange one!
14:00.11dankolbNO I DIDN'T
14:01.05zacharyNothing is scheduled for may, unless you want just a "geek out fest," I might be able to get the labs at short notice.
14:01.36dankolbSounds good to me :)
14:02.30zacharyok, dan your in charge! :o)
14:02.35sashHEhehe
14:02.44sashNice one, zach
14:02.58zacharyHook, line and sinker!
14:03.17dankolbBlarg
14:03.50zacharywe could do 17th or 24th May.
14:04.37zacharyAny requests for the event?
14:04.44dankolbBeer?
14:05.14murblebeer
14:05.29zacharydankolb: Always, but that comes afterwards.
14:06.10zacharydaughter is waking up,
14:06.55SPQRhack the box?
14:07.35SPQRMaybe a lan game or 2 aswell :)
14:09.02dankolbTalk on cfengine?
14:09.41dankolbIt's a complex beast
14:10.00nasratcfengine is good - do you have his book?
14:10.15dankolbI've just got the tutorial printed out from the website
14:10.31dankolbIs there a proper cfengine dead-tree?
14:11.22nasrathttp://www.iu.hio.no/SystemAdmin/principlebook.html
14:11.44nasratI have it happy to lend if you want a peek
14:12.01dankolbOkay :) Bring it to the next Gllug, which zach seems to be organising :)
14:16.22murblenasrat: is that the 2nd edtion or the 1st?
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14:17.37nasrathmm I'm not sure which one I have will have to check
14:22.30zacharydankolb: oh sure, toss it back to me when I'm not looking. :P
14:22.42dankolbYup
14:23.32sashDon't worry zach, it's time dank earnt his bread.
14:24.38zacharysash: yes, that is why he is giving the lecture.
14:25.49dankolbErr....
14:26.02zacharyhehehe!
14:26.22dankolbEVIL
14:27.11zacharyQustion with a personal pronoun!
14:27.20zacharyWhat, who me?
14:28.35dankolbYeah. Are you trying to get me to stand up and talk?
14:29.11zacharyYou can sit in a chair if you like.
14:29.25dankolbCan I hide under the desk?
14:29.26sashOr be supine if you prefer.
14:29.43sashHave a drink beforehand and see how it goes.
14:29.48zacharyyou might need a mic.
14:30.25sashWhat kind of ale is that?
14:30.30zacharyI don't think I can get the large lecture hall. Might be able to get the small one on first floor, and the computer labs
14:31.36dankolb(at least give fair warning about something if you're desperate enough)
14:31.55sashNot as scared as the public will be by the end of it.
14:32.15dankolbTrue
14:32.59zacharydankolb: We'll just load you up with about 5 espesso's and a six pack of jolt cola on stanby.
14:33.59dankolbRed Bull, or Kick, or similar, might be better :)
14:34.46sashA kick in the bulls?
14:34.58zacharyrecite "War and Peace" in 10 minutes?
14:35.12SPQRlol. that'll go down well
14:35.14dankolbWithout hesitation, deviation or repition
14:35.44sashDoes Julian Clary appear with you, dank?
14:35.53sashs/does/will
14:37.09dankolbI'd rather have Clement Freud
14:39.10SPQRon their server?
14:39.15sashYou'd have to fight Nicholas Parsons for him.
14:39.30SPQRsory, wrong conv :/
14:40.20ClyphoxAnyone know a online daemon database of sorts?
14:40.35nasratClyphox: the necronomicon?
14:40.50mishlol
14:41.06Clyphoxnasrat: seriously?
14:41.21nasratClyphox: do you want port->daemon list or a list of daemons,
14:41.31zacharydankolb: I'll make a request for the 17th May(24th as a back up date). If you want to either arrange for a lecture or come up with something to do in the labs. I'm currently busy organizing the next Install fest and Lonix meeting.
14:42.03Clyphoxnasrat: basicly a list of (for example) DNS server.. or http servers.. that type..
14:44.21dankolbHokay....
14:44.53zacharyI've got to go. Grocery shopping time. dankolb: talk to me later tonight.
14:44.55nasratsorry don't know of any "definitive" or comprehensive lists
14:45.18zacharysash: Are you going to be here later?
14:45.23dankolbzachary: Will do :)
14:45.59sashzachary: Maybe around 1830h.
14:46.14zacharyok
14:46.15zacharybbl
14:57.33sashI'm off too
15:10.14JDhi all
15:10.27dankolbIt's him again
15:10.59JDClyphox: you want to know different DNS server programs or different HTTP servers, mail servers etc?
15:11.17dankolbfreshmeat
15:11.20JDdankolb: nope, tis a figment of your imagination :)
15:11.28JDdankolb: er yeah :)
15:11.39dankolbHeh
15:37.15JDjust got a price for my laptop
15:37.56JD1039 for the laptop, 145 for the docking stn, 83 for the CD drive for 158 for a DVD
15:39.14JDis it worth paying the extra 70GBP for a DVD player?
15:39.27JDam I really going to use the DVD player?
15:39.32dankolbNo
15:39.42JDwhich is what I was thinking
15:40.01JDbut then are CDs going to become less common?
15:40.09JDover the next 3-5 years?
15:40.28dankolbNo
15:41.07JDit's got a network port and my machine has got a DVD/cdrw in it
15:41.20JDdo I really need the CD player?
15:41.31JDhmmm probably worth having
15:41.56JDdoesn't have a floppy unless you get the docking station
15:42.15JDbut you can plug other devices into the docking station
15:42.37JDlike a CD, DVD, extra battery or a 2.5" HD cradle
15:45.05SPQRhi JD
15:45.49SPQRya don't need a dvd drive, unless you plan on long journies and have a good way of dispersing the heat...
15:46.35JDSPQR: my legs?
15:47.41SPQRJD : they're good, if ya don't mind the scorched feeling or the smell of burning meat :D
15:48.31SPQRas long as ya have a machine at home that ya can rip dvd's on, you don't need it :)
15:48.47SPQRit also wastes batteries using the dvd :P
15:49.49JDSPQR: normally the X30 is 1" think
15:50.01JDthe ultrabase adds 1/2" on top
15:50.11JDspeaking to someone with an X22 and he loves it
15:50.14SPQRlike the compaw armada
15:50.23SPQR*compaq
15:50.33JDSPQR: who are they then? :)
15:51.21SPQRJD : some random company that does computers and has been absorbed by HP (I think Hp absorbed them, that o they absorbed HP)
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15:53.26SPQRmy liitle armada m300 is a little shy of the 1" thick mark without its docking bay :)
15:53.45JDwhat proc?
15:54.32SPQRp2 333. Bit of an oldie
15:56.25SPQRI still like it though :)
16:04.06JDP3 1200MHz :)
16:06.01SPQRnot bad at all :) How much you paying for it all?
16:13.02JD1267+vat
16:13.22JDnot the cheapest, but it is certianly one of the lightest
16:15.46SPQRyup. It'll sure lighten the load in ya wallet as well!!
16:16.22SPQRlol
16:16.41SPQRmine set me back 350gbp 2 years ago :)
16:17.10JDdankolb: I was looking at the 12", but then it is more expensive
16:17.27dankolbIt's nice...
16:17.31JDplus it has some dodgy nVidia card in it
16:17.47dankolbMy 15" has an ATI Radeon
16:18.01nasratthe ibook is good too
16:18.19dankolbTiBook much nicer :)
16:18.43nasrat(Ti|Al)
16:19.01dankolbIt now has a dent in the top :(
16:19.07dankolbBut the screen wasn't affected at all
16:19.15dankolbDamn I love that machine :)
16:19.31sashDown dank
16:19.41dankolb:)
16:19.55nasratplus it's not x86 which is a plust
16:20.01JDdankolb: you can get arrested for comments like that
16:20.01dankolbTrue
16:20.15dankolbOnly in public
16:20.31JDnasrat: and I'm sure intel would love the ability to get you arrested for that comment too :)
16:20.37nasratlol
16:20.41SPQRlol
16:20.55sashdankolb: Are we to expect a lecture of a similar standard?
16:20.55nasratthe wintel thought police
16:21.08dankolbYes.
16:21.17sashAargh!
16:21.29SPQRlol
16:21.30dankolbI don't want people to listen to me make an arse of myself
16:21.46sashYou can do that perfectly well by yourself lol
16:22.21sashs/by yourself/on your own/
16:23.53dankolbWhat? Make an arse?
16:24.14sashHallelujah!
16:24.32sashCracking song by Leonard Cohen.
16:24.59sashThe puns, the puns...
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16:28.45dankolbHello formi
16:29.38its-formihello
16:29.59sashhello galician one
16:30.04its-formijust to break the habit I am going to ask a question
16:30.08its-formioh sash
16:30.18its-formilong time, how's things?
16:30.36sashSo so. You?
16:30.48its-formijust about
16:30.55SPQRhey formi
16:31.24its-formidoes anybody know  the incantation needed to install grub on a floppy?
16:31.40JDgrub-install /dev/fd0 ?
16:32.15its-formiJD: i'll give that a go
16:32.37nasrattime to go
16:33.06JDits-formi: debian also has a grub-floppy command
16:33.44dankolbGood :)
16:34.47its-formialso to slackware
16:34.56dankolbBad :(
16:35.29its-formii've just installed fb 5.0 on my laptop
16:35.35dankolbGood :)
16:35.51its-formibut something went wrong with the install for the 2nd time
16:36.21its-formiwhen booting, when im supposed to press F2 it beeps and that's it
16:37.09its-formi[root@dp root]# grub-install /dev/fd0
16:37.09its-formi/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
16:37.33murbleits-formi: sounds like standard OS on PeeCee architeture problem.
16:37.47murbledelete the maps file.
16:38.01murbleor cheat, and install grub from grub floppy.
16:38.44its-formimurble: that is what i am trying to do. install grub on a floppy
16:41.57its-formiwhat is the google pic about today?
16:42.14dankolbEarth Day
16:42.29its-formiwhy is it in russian?
16:44.17its-formiYou'll need two floppy disks to install grub onto floppy.
16:44.26its-formithat's odd
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16:47.19its-formithat sounds better
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16:52.16dankolbwb zachary
16:52.19zacharyty
16:52.21sashwb
16:52.40zacharysash: you 4 stick of memory came in today as well.
16:52.54sashHuzzah
16:53.27zacharywhen are you going to pick your stuff up. Or it might end up in my computer! :o)
16:53.39sashThis week!
16:53.59sashI don't think your machines will take EDO.
16:54.46zacharylet me check my bios
16:54.57zacharydaught1er is he`lp`ing me type
16:55.45sashAn improvement to your typical ditties.
16:56.08SPQRtime to dash home now
16:56.10SPQRlater folks
16:56.13sashbye
16:56.14dankolbbye
16:57.24sashreset by daughter.
16:57.31dankolbyeh
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16:59.04dankolbwb
16:59.19zacharyshe pushed the wrong button.
16:59.31dankolbUhhuh :)
16:59.48zacharysash: any date preferance?
17:00.20sashzachary: I'll be back in 15/20 mins
17:00.25zacharyok
17:02.04zacharyIf the world was coming to an end, I think saving data would be the last event on my schedule. :o)
17:02.58zacharydankolb: Any thoughts for the 17th?
17:03.46dankolbHaven't really had a decent chance to think about it
17:04.10dankolbIf I had to, I could probably knock up something about pf (O'BSD packet filter)
17:04.45murbledankolb: and ipfilter?
17:05.00murblepf ~= broken ipf
17:05.41dankolbHaven't used ipf for some time
17:05.47dankolbAnd pf isn't actually broken :)
17:06.08murblewell it is differently featured and certainly not quite compatiable.
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17:06.20murblethey seem the claim the head list thing is entirly for performance etc.
17:06.21dankolbTrue, but the same can be said for any packet filter
17:06.29murblewhen it really makes it easier to have a nice rules.
17:06.33dankolbiptables if differently featured from ipchains.
17:06.36murblei mean more understandable.
17:06.44dankolbYou can use the anchor rulesets
17:06.45JensonGood evening
17:06.50murbledankolb: yeah, but it was aiming to be a replacement at the same time.
17:06.59dankolbSo was pf
17:07.36zacharyshall we make it a networking theme?
17:07.50murblesomeone could talk about freeswan
17:07.54murbleif it hasn't been done already.
17:08.14zacharymurble: I don't believe it has.
17:08.59murblewell, i'd better hurry up and leave work/irc before i end up with adoing a talk.
17:09.25zacharymurble: but you already have.
17:09.41Jensongrrr fscking linux
17:09.47Jensonhow is everyone today?
17:10.04JDcool
17:11.05Jensondankolb: Did you see the pic of the easter egg what my parents won?
17:11.21JDzachary: no you won't
17:11.25Jensonzachary: I'm sure I can employ a better method....
17:12.02zacharyI'm tring to work out the finances for a new laptop at the end of the year.
17:12.27zacharyI would like something a little better than 800x600 res.
17:12.42JDzachary: don't know if you caught the conversation, but it is an X30 thinkpad
17:13.10zacharywhat's the pricetag?
17:13.37JD1267+vat
17:14.22Jensongrr how did i manage to lose the one unlabelled CD with all the documents on that my dad wants, within all the other unlabelled CDs
17:14.24JensonBRB
17:15.13zacharywho's fault is it for not labeling the cd?
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17:17.03Jensonback
17:17.06zacharybrb, need to start dinner
17:17.09Jensonzachary: mine lol
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17:27.29Jensonheya sash
17:27.56sashHello
17:28.01dankolbHometime
17:28.23Jensonseeya Dan
17:28.35sashStay put boy!
17:28.40sashDetention.
17:29.11Jensonit's great aint it sash, you arrive, he leaves
17:29.28sashI was here earlier.
17:30.13JensonAre you gonna be back on this channel now then?
17:31.18sashYes, on weekdays.
17:31.24Jensoncool
17:31.30Jensonnice to have you back :D
17:31.42Jensonhow are you anyway?
17:31.59sashSurviving.
17:32.13JensonJD: Sash is the guy with the massive hair
17:32.25JDJenson: that doesn;t help
17:32.41JDsash: were you at the last meeting
17:32.43JensonJD: Black guy, big afro hair
17:32.52JensonHow can anyone forget sash
17:33.04sashI have lived an interesting 6 months and it's about to get even more exciting.
17:33.27JDJenson: I'm surprised you recall anything from the last meeting
17:33.33Jensonwhat you been doing sash
17:33.54JensonJD: heh, that was the lack of food mix with the antidepressants that made me go round tewlling everyone i wasnt drunk lol
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17:33.59armijnre
17:34.02sashInteresting stuff.
17:34.19Jensonheya armijn honey how are you?
17:35.15armijnblah
17:36.28sashJD: I was at the last GLLUG.
17:36.41JDsash: got a photo?
17:36.48JDsash: my memory is shit
17:37.11JensonJD: sash is the cute one :P
17:37.18JDJenson: ffs
17:37.28JDJenson: how about helping me here :)
17:37.36JensonI did
17:37.45Jensonblack guy, massive hair, friendly
17:37.59JDhow? by describing everyone there
17:38.04Jensonheh
17:38.09Jensonlol not everyone is cuyte
17:38.11Jensoncute
17:38.14armijnwell, I wasn't there
17:38.25armijnso no use describing me
17:38.28JDthe only black guy I recall is new2unix
17:38.39JensonJD: yeh his brother is sexy too lol
17:38.42JensonLives with Ross
17:38.51JDand I don't recall him having big hair
17:39.08JensonJD: nah, new2unix is Michael....sash is sash
17:39.38JDso do we have a photo?
17:39.59JDI will probably go "oh yeah, you" when I see a photo
17:40.01JensonJD: When I first joined the channel sash and dankolb used to banter lol
17:45.08JensonHow do I change the taskbar colour in KDE?
17:45.35armijnRTFM?
17:46.00Jensonarmijn: that might be a good idea
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17:46.25JDyou can put a back ground image on it
17:46.38JensonJD: yeh i know how to do that
17:46.42JDbut I don't think you can change the colour independantly of any other colour
17:46.53JD/widget
17:47.54dankolbmijn...
17:48.31armijndankolb...
17:48.59armijnyeah, drugs f**k with your eye-sight
17:49.14armijnor at least your taste of colours
17:49.44Jensonarmijn: yeh well, it was a marijuana induced colour scheme that inspired this one
17:50.18JensonJD: It werent me....he wont let me near thew stuff
17:50.43armijnehw, marijuana...
17:50.49armijn*spit*
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17:52.23Jensonarmijn: yeh well, thats up to him aint it, he'll end up with lung cancer or something
17:52.42armijnlung cancer? probably brain rot
17:53.29zacharyJenson: try that graphic as a background for kicker. Looks killer.
17:54.00Jensonty zachary
17:55.21dankolbarmijn: Already happened
17:55.43Jensondankolb: he's a good person dont diss him
17:56.21JensonJD: heh cheers hon
17:57.20JensonI dont see what the argument is about anymore anyway, neither of you are getting anything from me
17:57.57JensonJD: Nah let the room watch
17:59.15JD/ignore dankolb
17:59.18JD/ignore Jenson
17:59.19Jensonyeh
17:59.21Jensonlol
17:59.22Jensonoi
17:59.28JDexcellent
17:59.47JDgive me a shout when you are done
17:59.57Jensondankolb: Can I call you so we can sort this out once and for all
18:00.02dankolbNo
18:00.12Jensonk then
18:00.17Jensonwhat about later?
18:00.20dankolbNo
18:00.35armijnignoring all what?
18:00.45JDall what what?
18:00.53armijndunno
18:00.54Jensonheh
18:02.49JensonBBL
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18:03.32JDzachary: what ya doing?
18:04.02zacharyWas about to clean up the rifraf.
18:04.09JDI did try
18:04.09armijndankolb: heh, not worth it...
18:05.32JDI can slap you next tiem if you want
18:05.36dankolbPlease :)
18:05.38armijnyes...more self control...
18:05.42armijnand bladder training...
18:05.49JDdankolb: I'm not like that :)
18:06.21zacharyI think highbury was right about keeping the soap operas out of the channel.
18:06.36dankolbYeah
18:06.43dankolbAlthough I know I'm guilty :(
18:06.46dankolbSorry
18:07.01armijndankolb: we'll forgive you...for a few beers
18:07.04armijn>:)
18:07.31armijndankolb: you know I won't be there...
18:07.39dankolb:-P
18:09.57armijndankolb: Edinburgh would be a good time though
18:10.12dankolbSure...if you bring some nice beer
18:10.21armijndankolb: you know I will, I promised
18:10.34dankolbOkay :)
18:10.52armijnsigh, I gotta think of questions for an interview with Guido van Rossum (Python guy)
18:10.54JDwho else is going to edinburgh?
18:11.19dankolbarmijn: "What's wrong with Perl?"
18:11.20JD"so why doesn;t perl have a switch construct?"
18:11.24armijnwhoops, that reminds me, gotta get NLUUG membership
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18:47.25Clyphoxmoo
18:47.45dankolboom
18:47.57Clyphoxhow goes?
18:48.02dankolbNot so bad, thanks
19:35.49JDrather quiet this eveing
19:36.34ClyphoxJD: are you a coder?
19:36.50ClyphoxIE: do you know what a Makefile should look like?
19:37.24ClyphoxI've got a teeny little program I can't get to compile.. I havn't a clue why cause I don't know much
19:37.41JDClyphox: yeah
19:37.44JDmakefiles are cool
19:37.56JDClyphox: /dcc it over and I'll have a look
20:15.49A4266evenin' ppl
20:17.17JDhi
20:18.10Clyphoxibot lart A4266
20:20.13JDshit 1600kbit/s
20:20.23JDgotta love this satellite
20:21.30ClyphoxJust imagine satellite+altq
20:23.05A4266hehe
20:27.12JDaltq?
20:29.53Clyphoxohh baby..
20:30.09Clyphoxgo look it up.. makes me want to drule it does!
20:30.28Clyphoxhint: (OpenBSD pf)
20:30.36JDoh
20:32.20Clyphoxnn ppl..
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20:54.52zacharygood night
20:54.57dankolbFoo
20:56.35JDbar?
20:56.39dankolbYes
20:56.53JDyou alright Dan
20:57.02dankolbYes
20:57.29JDcool
20:57.33dankolbYes
20:57.43dankolbLong day?
20:58.19JDer not really
20:58.27JD7:45 wake up
20:58.33JD9:00 start
20:58.42JD5:30ish finish
20:59.00JDsitting at work now cos there is nothing worth watching on TV
20:59.16JDand I can't be arsed with the latency of a dialup and the sat
20:59.19dankolb:)
20:59.20JDbah
20:59.58dankolbADSL good
21:00.40JDI know
21:00.45JDBT crap
21:02.03dankolbI'm using Demon as the service provider.
21:02.10dankolbthe line itself hasn't ever had problems
21:05.02JDdankolb: that is all well and good if you can get a line
21:05.08dankolbMove
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21:05.38dankolbHi Paul
21:05.42cupishi dan
21:06.19dankolbHow goes?
21:06.31JDdankolb: can't, work across the road
21:06.37cupisnot bad, could do with a few more hours in the day etc
21:06.41dankolbMove the company, too
21:06.43cupisJD: hi
21:06.44JDdankolb: and can't afford to atm
21:06.51JDhi paul
21:07.04dankolbah
21:07.17JDdankolb: that isn't going to happen
21:07.28JDoffice is in bosses backgarden
21:08.53dankolb:)
21:09.35dankolbThen you're stuck with a high-latency connection
21:09.45dankolbWhen's the next MKLUG meeting?
21:10.08JDdankolb: mid may
21:10.18dankolbCool
21:10.26JDdankolb: until we get a leased line
21:10.33dankolbyah
21:14.26dankolbWhat's an MKLUG meeting like?
21:15.17cupisdankolb: two people, whilst technically could be called a meeting...
21:15.20JDqueit
21:15.28JDquiet
21:15.46JDalthough last meeting about 15 people turned up to hear me talking about bash
21:15.58JDand then we went down the pub for a few hours
21:16.07dankolbPub sounds good
21:16.17dankolbExcept that I'd have to drink coke
21:16.25JDcupis: that has only happened once
21:16.38cupisJD: :)
21:16.45dankolbFirst WycLUG meeting was only two people
21:16.48JDdankolb: same here
21:16.56dankolb(okay, I had organised to go to the pub with murb, but anyway)
21:17.22dankolbdriving-- (sometimes)
21:21.31JDah bugger it
21:21.34JDnight all
21:21.39dankolb'night JD
21:21.43dankolbSee you tomorrow
21:21.44JDcupis: seen d-devel?
21:21.51JDmoan about fwbuilder
21:22.05cupisJD: what in particular?
21:22.16JDthe fact that you can;t run it without X
21:22.20JDiirc
21:22.30cupisJD: 32 unread
21:22.56cupisreading it now (slowly)
21:23.41JDbasically he was trying to run ssh -X machine fwbuilder
21:23.48JDand it moaned about the lack of xauth
21:24.26JDso either all X progs depend on xbase-clients or brenden finds a fix
21:26.03cupisJD: grrr
21:26.27cupisWouldn't only the toolkit libs have to dep on xbase-clients?
21:26.46JDgrep-available -i cupis
21:26.54JDwhatma doing wrong?
21:27.00JDcupis: probably
21:27.13JDcupis: or branden could split xauth off
21:27.20dankolbSPLITTER
21:27.31cupisJD: specify fields to search and fields to display
21:28.11cupisJD: grep-available -F Maintainer -s Package cupis
21:29.28JDparguild020 david% grep-available -F Maintainer -s Package cupis | wc -l
21:29.29JD<PROTECTED>
21:29.42JDcupis: xbase-clients is 3.8Mb installed
21:29.55cupispaul@kippax:~$ grep-available -F Maintainer -s Package cupis | wc -l
21:29.55cupis<PROTECTED>
21:30.20JD<PROTECTED>
21:31.35JDnot sure what is going on there then :)
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21:33.05dankolbHey skugg
21:33.49JDargh stig run away! run away! run away!
21:34.05dankolbnight JD
21:34.06dankolbAgain
21:34.09JDlol
21:35.17skugghey dan and dave :)
21:35.25JDnight skugg
21:35.30skuggit's nice to feel wanted ;)
21:35.33skuggnight jd
21:35.41JDskugg: I know how you feel
21:35.52skuggs,wanted,welcome,
21:35.53skugg<PROTECTED>
21:37.23JDsame thing :)
21:39.44cupisJD: installing guarddog in clean sid chroot pulls in xfree86-common and xlibs, but not xbase.*
21:39.45JDmy boss just brought me a pint of speckled hen
21:39.57skuggJD, you working now?
21:40.03dankolbLucky you
21:40.03JDso I'm still here
21:40.17JDdankolb: not really. I wanted to go home
21:40.29dankolbWell, give me the beer
21:40.30cupisJD: but you had a gun to your head?
21:41.52JDdankolb: by the time you get here, I would have drunk it and gone to bed
21:42.01JDcupis: gun? where?
21:42.03dankolbI thought you didn't want it
21:42.24cupisJD: preventing you from going home...
21:42.47JDyey nut is fixed
21:42.52JDpermission wise
21:43.00JDnot sure how or what
21:43.07dankolbYou're tightening nut?
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21:44.09JDNetwork Ups Thingymebob
21:45.49dankolbThingymebob?
21:46.02cupisdankolb: technical term
21:46.10dankolbI know
21:46.40cupisJD: you prefer nut over apcupsd?
21:46.57JDcupis: yeah
21:47.03cupis(I forget which is newer) or you are not using apc stuff?
21:47.07JDnut is the sane of upss
21:47.21cupisJD: parse error
21:48.06JDprobably the grammar feckup with upss
21:48.12JDhow abotu ups's
21:48.37JDnut(1) is the sane(1) for ups type devices
21:48.39dankolbUPSen
21:48.45JDdankolb: tart
21:49.19dankolbLEMON CURRY?
21:49.35cupisJD: okay
21:49.36JDdankolb: you are more pissed than I am
21:49.52cupisJD: I only use APC stuff atm (only ever used APC stuff)
21:50.07dankolbNo I'm not
21:50.36JDdoes apcupsd have a network monitor thing?
21:50.43cupisJD: yes
21:50.52JDcupis: oh
21:50.57JDand on windows?
21:51.21cupismultiple UPS's per instance of apcupsd, and multiple apcupsd's can talk to one another
21:51.25cupismaster/slave
21:51.43cupisJD: yes, I believe there is a win32 version - never had to use it though.
21:52.07JDdankolb: no thanks. got some
21:52.26JDcupis: but it is apc only?
21:52.28dankolbIf you just sign here now...
21:52.51cupisJD: yes
21:53.08JDhttp://www.exploits.org/nut/
21:53.31JDcupis: I did look at apcupsd, but chose nut for those sorts of reasons
21:53.48JDand various people on debian-devel said it was the future
21:54.08cupisJD: not trying to convert you, just discussing.
21:54.28JDcupis: like wise
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21:54.53cupisJD: yes, I heard that nut was "the way future", but I've been quite happy with apcupsd and not seen the need to look into nut yet.
21:55.04JDapart from the occasional switchign to battery and then back again in a fraction of a second
21:55.13JDhi Jenson
21:55.29JDalthough nearly finished
21:55.34Jensongrrr my damn printer is making silly little noises and refusing to load paper, mayeb its gone completey fucked now
21:55.37Jensonheya JD
21:55.45JDbut now I'm not sure if I'm pissed enough to stay at work
21:56.04cupisJD: apcupsd does that occasionally to test the UPS
21:56.23JDcupis: I'm thinking it is the UPS doing it
21:56.43cupisJD: hmm, possibly.
21:59.46A4266.away
21:59.59Jensonoooh my printer can be USB
22:00.26dankolbWith or without mustard?
22:00.49A4266without!! it'll spoil the falvor :P
22:00.56dankolbHeh
22:02.58dankolbWith a hint of garlic
22:03.06A4266yup :)
22:03.30Jensonewwww there is dust stains on this desk where the printer was
22:03.37A4266lol
22:03.58A4266some1 has been printing filth ;)
22:04.17JensonA4266: yeh but they dont keep it behind the printer lol
22:04.35A4266where else would ya keep? :P
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22:05.36A4266lol
22:05.43JDwell it is if you keep mentioning it
22:06.09JensonJD: heh
22:06.27JDsee what I mean
22:06.30JDstop it
22:06.55A4266I can understand the dust, but the polish??
22:07.01dankolbWhat about this Hurd, thing, then? anyone tried it?
22:07.10JDdankolb: tis a gnu thing
22:07.15JDyou do the math
22:07.22JensonA4266: Was cleaning the dust off the desk
22:07.24dankolb# I'm a GNU
22:07.43JDI should find a copy
22:07.49dankolb# Spelled G-N-U. The gnicest work of gnature in the gzoo
22:08.01A4266lol
22:08.13dankolbIf you remind me tomorrow
22:08.32A4266Gilbert and sullivan did a thing in the Gnu :)
22:08.52Jensonfuck that printer, just coz the cartidges are empty does not mean it shouldnt load paper
22:08.56JDhad acopy of the laughing policeman on
22:09.03dankolbOooh
22:09.05JDand the right said fred song
22:09.14dankolb(laughing policeman)
22:09.19JDungly duckling
22:09.26dankolbThe GNU song is Flanders & Swann
22:09.31JDI don't think I have a copy of the tape anymore
22:09.44Jensongrr its still making strange little printer noises
22:09.45dankolb:(
22:09.47JDcould have a look, but I haven;t seen it in about 15 years
22:09.52dankolbHeh
22:10.53A4266cool
22:11.03A4266I'm trying to dl it now
22:11.11dankolbWhich one?
22:11.21JensonOh well if the printer dont work maybe my parents will have to afford a new one
22:11.23A426662.30.144.193gnu song  :)
22:11.33A4266*gnu song
22:11.56Jensonit worked before i let zimm near it
22:12.15dankolbAh. Not the laughing policeman
22:12.59JensonWill a printer refuse to work if the print lead is dead?
22:13.10Jensoni mean refuse to load paper when you press buttons
22:13.31A4266no, it should still load the paper
22:13.38Jensonthats what i thought
22:14.05JDmost likely printer is knakered
22:14.12Jensonyeh i know
22:14.16Jensonit was half fucked anyway
22:14.17JDsorry to be the bearer of bad news
22:14.25Jensonbut according to my dad we cant afford a new one
22:14.43Jensoni dont care....my mother has her own printer, no-one actually uses it lol
22:15.16JDhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000026GOS/202-2712626-0885436
22:15.35JDbut doesn;t seem to be the right thing
22:15.40Jensongrrrr it keeps making evil little 'im-gonna-attempt-to spool-noises'
22:17.21A4266tried kicking it?
22:17.35Jensonnah
22:17.43Jensongot it on my lap atm
22:17.59A4266lol
22:18.16A4266ya could try westling it to the ground :D
22:18.28Jensonlol
22:18.38JDA4266: now your at it with the sex thing
22:18.51A4266yup :P
22:18.55JDnah it isn;t the right album
22:19.10A4266I was thinking about using a bit of mud to make it more interestin ;)
22:19.23JDcertianly had ernie and robin hood on
22:19.33JD, but it also had sparky's piano too
22:19.44Jensonno men to play with so ive resorted to printers
22:19.47JDand didn;t have any of the Mel Blanc crap on
22:19.49Jensonj/k
22:20.22JDA4266: dammit, not I have a picture of Jenson mud wrestling a printer
22:20.27JDnow
22:20.38A4266lol, sorry. My fould }-]
22:20.43A4266*falut even
22:20.49A4266or even fault
22:20.59JDA4266: you been drinking
22:20.59JD?
22:21.09A4266naa, been eating though :D
22:21.45Jensonbloody dust aggravated my damn cough too
22:22.42JDhttp://www.pandprecords.freeserve.co.uk/5060lpsz.htm about half way down
22:22.50JDsearch for "all aboard"
22:23.03JDdammit Jenson stop it with the sex references
22:23.31Jensonlol JD thats your mind not me
22:23.37A4266lol
22:23.48A4266you're the 1 feeding us dirty thoughts!! :PO
22:23.52A4266*:P
22:24.11JDdammit it is in google cache, but not in the link
22:24.22JDhttp://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:42rI4EQQCD0C:www.pandprecords.freeserve.co.uk/5060lpsz.htm+%22all+aboard%22+%22laughing+policeman%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
22:24.32JensonYou, Al are a dirty monster, dont make me come round there and work some of that dirtieness outta you
22:25.11A4266Jenson, when can ya come? ;)
22:25.33Jensonheh Al, I was in London all weekend....
22:26.13A4266I didn't know that :(
22:27.22A4266anywaaay :p
22:27.38A4266give me more dirt for me mind!! ;)
22:28.21Jensonlol dan
22:28.43JDor google for furnature porn
22:28.45A4266ahhhh :P''''
22:28.53JensonA4266: http://www.barelyevil.com
22:29.45JDis that a work-friendly link?
22:30.00JensonJD: not really
22:30.01A4266ohhh, looking good so far Jenson :D
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22:30.27JDJenson: I won;t bother atm then
22:30.34Jensonoh and http://www.gothicsluts.com
22:30.45JDnow I know that isn;t work-friendly
22:31.03A4266lol, is there something we soulf know Jenson?  (won't tell any1!!)
22:31.09JDJenson: I think you scared spooner away
22:31.10JensonI found a damn scary S&M site once but I dunno where thay it
22:31.31JensonA4266: heh, if there was, i'd be impressed with my body and i tell you
22:31.34JDA4266: that is she is a goth (ish)?
22:31.38A4266ya could go through the links section?
22:32.02A4266I know Jenson's gothic, but the gothic porn...?
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22:32.16JDmaybe she likes gothic fashion
22:32.28JDwhat little there is it see
22:33.06A4266camden's good for the fashion :)  In fact, I like there in camden :)
22:33.15A4266*like it
22:33.31JDit isn;t too bad
22:33.52JensonI saw some nice goths on Shenfield station on monday evening
22:34.12A4266shenfield? Where's that?
22:34.38A4266there are a couple of goths in enfield other than my sisters
22:35.12JDyou have a sister too?
22:35.12JensonA4266: Not sure where it is, between Stratford and Chelmsford on the train
22:35.24JensonJD: you've met one of his sisters
22:35.32JDhave I?
22:35.34JDdammit
22:35.35A4266JD : I have 2 sisters
22:35.36Jensonyeh
22:35.40A4266ya, Liz
22:35.43JDI should pay more attention
22:35.52A4266also know ans resuBitch
22:35.53JDdankolb: lucky man
22:36.01JDoh right
22:36.05JDI met her
22:36.09JensonJD: Not telling me I was paying more attention to the women than you were?
22:36.12JDwas it her birthday?
22:36.15Jensonyeh
22:36.19A4266yup
22:36.25JDI know her
22:36.31A4266yup :)
22:36.42JDshe got chucked out the pub :)
22:36.45A4266at the party if I remeber right
22:36.46dankolbWhatfor?
22:36.48A4266yup, thats the 1
22:36.59JDdankolb: being underaged
22:36.59Jensonthey manager though we were faking our age
22:37.03A4266manager didn't think she was old enough...
22:37.14A4266even though she did show the manager her passport
22:37.21JD18th birthday :)
22:37.51JDbit harsh
22:37.54JDbrb
22:37.54A4266I was 18 once :(
22:37.56A4266k
22:38.01dankolbA4266: You're old now
22:38.06Jensondankolb: And I managed to piss her off
22:38.10JensonAnd then I cried about it
22:38.12skuggA4266, hah! i was 18 many times! :)
22:38.30dankolbskugg: In various different number bases?
22:38.56A4266lol
22:39.31Jensonyou guys aint old
22:39.36A4266Jenson : Ya didn't piss her off btw!! I talked to her aftewards
22:39.49A4266not by much though dankolb :)
22:39.57dankolb51 weeks
22:40.04dankolb(give or take a couple of days)
22:40.08JensonA4266: I wouldnt have blamed her to have been pissed of with me though
22:40.35skuggdankolb, that's one way of seeing it :)
22:40.37A4266less than a year older dan!!
22:40.52dankolbTrue
22:41.04dankolbA4266: 21st March?
22:41.06JDthat would be a yes then
22:41.11A4266Jenson : Don't mind her much, but she wasn't pissed off at ya :) She likes actualy :)
22:41.22A4266dankolb : Yup, thats the fateful day
22:41.38dankolbSo that's 355 days younger
22:41.48JensonA4266: She's a nice looking girl with a nice looking guy, good luck to them
22:42.36A4266Jenson : I actually fell sorry for Tom and Beth is very demanding!! As in she wants all the attention and everything from him!!
22:42.46A4266*as Beth
22:43.00JensonA4266: Sounds like me
22:43.59skuggA4266, don't all girlfriends?
22:44.07JDskugg: yeah
22:44.07A4266Jenson : I honestly don't think you're as bad as her :)
22:44.23JensonA4266: Ask someone who's dated me
22:44.37A4266skugg : Probly, I still haven't had a longterm relationship yet :)
22:44.49A4266dankolb : any comments?  :P
22:45.03Jensonyeh
22:45.04A4266lol, I say thats long term!!
22:45.14Jensonanything over 3 months is long term by my standards
22:45.14A4266lol
22:45.20Jensondankolb: say what you want mate
22:45.21JDwtf where did those years go?
22:45.49JensonA4266: zimm said I'm clingy
22:45.55JensonI know I'm clingy
22:46.06A4266lol
22:46.21A4266like clingwrap? Or stronger?
22:46.30Jensonlol i dunno
22:46.43A4266lol
22:47.13A4266well I've worked with industial strengh clingwrap b4. Now that stuff is strong!!
22:47.41JDwe are getting back on the sex thing again
22:47.46Jensonheh
22:47.48Jensonsex is good
22:47.49A4266sex is good :D
22:47.51A4266lol
22:47.55Jensonlmfao
22:48.10JensonA4266: Shall we test that statement?
22:48.21A4266dankolb sorry, its the english me. I under exgerate a lot of the time
22:48.26A4266love to ;)
22:48.29Jensonewww scary porn
22:48.33A4266lol
22:49.03JDdankolb: er yeah
22:49.14JDJenson: what is scary porn?
22:49.49JensonJD: I just dont like women with nipple rings
22:49.57JDwtf?
22:50.10JDwhere did that come from?
22:50.12A4266what site ya checking?
22:50.25JDdammit everyone
22:50.31Jensonits gone now lol
22:50.50Jensonim on a non pornographic vampyre pride site now
22:50.55A4266lol
22:51.25A4266whats the link?
22:51.26Jensonhttp://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Atrium/2463/graphics/dumbassblondevamp.jpg cool vamp graphic
22:51.55A4266cool :)
22:52.21A4266could have darkened it abit around the face maybe and show a bit more setail there :)
22:52.38JDthe eyes are a bit unclear
22:52.44Jensonits a cool pic alright
22:52.55dankolbYou had one
22:53.35Jensonheh, did i, you mean you werent sex mad :P
22:53.50A4266lol
22:54.05A4266tis is a good 1 for eye detail  http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Atrium/2463/graphics/alissavamp.jpg
22:54.11JDit is possible to love and be sex mad at the same time?
22:54.19dankolbYes
22:54.25Jensonhttp://www.peachycandyass.com is another good vamp site
22:55.59JDdankolb: I thought so
22:56.04A4266I thought being in love mad for better sex..
22:56.13dankolbThat too
22:56.38JensonMaybe I'd do better dating girls
22:56.53JDJenson: no they are all bitches
22:56.54JensonMen can be complete wankers, much better as good mates than as lovers
22:57.04JensonJD: Damn true
22:57.17A4266*vamp
22:57.53JensonA4266: I probably have one of me somewhere
22:58.02A4266:)
22:58.53A4266ok, loading up 2 pics to be edited
23:00.20Jensondankolb: yeh, you loved me, i loved you, but we'd have driven each other crazy...you're sexy though
23:01.27dankolbGet a room
23:01.30dankolb:-P
23:01.31JensonJD: I always say it
23:01.33JDdammit
23:03.50A4266agg, lighting not good enough in the pics for editing
23:04.13A4266will take some in the light tomorrow 'cause I gotta take oics at work :)
23:09.51A4266ok, I'm off now. Got work in the morning.
23:09.54A4266night all
23:10.04dankolb'night A4266
23:10.31JDnight
23:10.42Jensonnight A4266
23:10.54Jensonyeh me too
23:11.00Jensonnight guys
23:11.02JDnight all
23:11.32dankolb'night everyone who's going
23:12.14JDdankolb: you not going to say night to me for the third ot fourth time?
23:12.20JD:)
23:12.25JDnight all
23:12.25dankolbNo. You've had enough attention
23:12.41JDdankolb: dammit
23:13.07JDdankolb: respect ma authorata
23:13.31dankolbnight JD
23:14.07skuggbye.
23:14.23JDskugg: how old are you?
23:14.52dankolbHe'll be a quarter century on Thursday
23:15.35JDdammit 366 days older
23:15.42dankolbHah
23:15.45skuggJD, just about old enough
23:16.00JDskugg: that sucks
23:16.03dankolbskugg: Up for a drink?
23:16.34skuggdankolb, too busy at the moment. but I would like to, yes.
23:17.02skuggafter 7th of may ;)
23:17.10dankolbOkay :)
23:17.15JDdankolb: make it in london (or on the western main line) and I'll join you
23:17.31dankolbsounds good
23:22.28skuggJD, what with the obsession of being older than people?
23:22.34skuggs,t,ts,
23:29.16skuggi'm off to bed now.
23:29.22dankolb'night
23:29.23skuggnight y'all :)
23:29.26dankolb'night all

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