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07:43.17TarragonMorning All!
07:56.27murbmorning and happy 2nd birthday a machine at work it has been up 730 days
08:01.36TarragonThat is impressive. Do you update for security while it is runing?
08:01.53murbyeah, the only thing that is a little flack is the kernel.
08:02.03murbbut i think that is only local exploits and remote DoS stuff.
08:04.02TarragonI didn't think anything could be done about a DoS attack except take the machine offline and wait until it is over
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08:05.20SPQRg'morning
08:06.42murbTarragon: it depends on the DoS, generally you can atleast filter at your border.
08:07.01murb(this may not be useful if you upstream is saturated)
08:07.12murbbut you can always get them to filter as well.
08:09.05JDmorning
08:09.47JDTarragon: where've you been for the last week?
08:10.31murbJD: we've no idea, but this is his first bit of day release.
08:11.00TarragonTwo weeks. Dead. I have Lupus and against all advice I caught chicken pox. (third time).
08:11.16JDlupus?
08:11.31JDibot: JD
08:11.31JD: i don't know
08:12.05JDibot: JD is looking for a indie or nu-metaler geek girl, non-smoker
08:12.06JD: okay
08:13.02JDibot: dpash
08:13.02methinks dpash is looking for a geek girl
08:13.11JDibot: no dpash is JD
08:13.12okay, JD
08:20.23dankolbBlah
08:21.16JDhi dankolb
08:21.21JDwhatya blahing about?
08:29.56dankolbCollaboration is down
08:30.04dankolbThe SMTP/DNS server has gone titsup
08:30.07dankolbBloody Linux shite
08:30.08dankolb:-P
08:32.11JDdankolb: bit controversial in here :)
08:32.26dankolbOh yah :)
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08:33.15JDeveryone is out of the office
08:33.15cupmorning
08:33.24JDI should have brought over my new pixies album
08:35.48SPQRI've heard mention that there's parachute software for ups's of some descirption on slackware. Does any1 know if its true?
08:36.06dankolbBack much later
08:36.38SPQRcya dan
08:41.01JDSPQR: you may want to look at NUT
08:41.14JDSPQR: it is the sane of UPSs
08:42.25SPQRNUT? Do ya have url I can check up on it?
08:45.16TarragonSPQR: http://www.exploits.org/nut/docs/1.2.0/chroot.html
08:47.08SPQRthx
08:50.15JDTarragon: so are you feeling better?
08:55.09TarragonNot completely, but better than I was. Thanks
09:03.59Tarragon:-)
09:07.33JDanyone know a channel for talking about linux on laptops?
09:09.41murbwhy not go now whilst flights are cheaper?
09:10.01JDmurb: because LCA is not on when the flights are cheaper
09:11.44murbJD: is it happening next year?
09:12.04murbnormally, well last year the fliers for it were distributed at the ukuug summer conference
09:13.14JDmurb: check http://www.debconf/miniconf3/
09:13.20JDdebconf.org
09:16.32murbare you going?
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09:20.18JDmurb: depends on the finances
09:20.24JDquite close to fosdem
09:32.54murbJD: oh you realiase you're geek skiing as well next year, don't you?
09:33.08JDoh yeah
09:33.20JDah crap
09:33.27JDexpensive business this
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10:40.55zacharymorning
10:58.41JDhi
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11:03.09JDdammit what is up with f.uk.kernel.o
11:03.23JDlast kernel is 2.5.63, but lwn says it is 3.5.68
11:11.05JDoh Ted "relational databases" Codd is dead
11:23.43eye69JD: Hmmm
11:24.01eye69JD: ftp.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/linux/kernel/v2.5
11:24.12JDeye69: ftp.kernel.org
11:24.18eye69Yeah, or that.
11:24.27eye69Just thought BY's might be faster
11:24.42JDtook about 10 min here
11:24.48JDfast enough for me
11:25.57eye69Yup
11:26.15eye69I'm compiling 2.5.68 on my router now...might as well try it
11:28.46eye69Was it you who mentioned ported KAME stuff?
11:30.39JDyeah
11:31.05eye69Do you have a name for it?
11:34.15JDKAME?
11:34.25eye69Found it
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11:42.19resuDaed_sshdoes anyone know how to reset the MySQL root password?
11:43.10JDfrom inside mysql, yes
11:44.27resuDaed_sshI have telnet access to the machine, and administrative rights
11:47.22eye69resuDaed_ssh: Stop mysql, and run it with --skip-grant-tables
11:48.08resuDaed_ssheye69 69 : ty
11:48.30eye69resuDaed_ssh: The thing to run is 'mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables'
11:48.44resuDaed_sshok
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12:05.36JDlunch
12:17.32resuDaed_sshis it standard practice for a company offering colo boxes not to give out the actual root password?
12:19.27SPQRhey resuDaed_ssh
12:20.00SPQRonly if you can't prove you own that box..
12:20.46SPQRask them if they'll send confimation of the passwd to the owner instead..
12:20.53SPQRthat might work
12:25.11resuDaed_sshI have the owner here,he has a password for the user 'admin' which is a very restriceted root
12:26.08resuDaed_sshit can create users, edit webpages ... 'bout it
12:26.40SPQRbut still not quite root... Ring them up again and ask them if they have a 'forgotten password' dept or something like that.
12:26.58resuDaed_sshyeah, just waiting for him to finish something else
12:27.13resuDaed_sshI need to restart mysqld as root, and compile ssl
12:27.52SPQRget on to them. They should have something where they'll let youknow what the password is... Might also want to ask them if you can change the psw over the phone?
12:32.08dankolbBah
12:34.51dankolbSet one up
12:34.58dankolb(just returned from London)
12:35.04SPQRhow do I go about doing it? ;)
12:35.09dankolbman blah
12:35.09SPQRhave fun?
12:35.10dankolb:-P
12:35.11dankolbNo
12:35.14SPQRlol
12:35.34dankolbI've come to the depressing realisation that going to London is no fun any more
12:35.46SPQRno manual entry for blah :P
12:36.04SPQRheh. Unless you're doing it on a very fast motocycle...
12:36.17dankolb:)
12:38.21SPQRyou could try going to aberdeen sometime by car sometime :) Then you'll start enjoying london again!!
12:38.29dankolbheh
12:38.42dankolbIt's just yet another trip
12:38.50SPQRmy butts still numb!!
12:39.02SPQRheh, ya. But its looks different to london :)
12:39.25dankolb(London is, I meant)
12:39.32SPQRahh, hehe
12:39.40dankolbGo there, get on the tube, do stuff, come back home
12:39.59SPQR:) Its better than sitting on ya ass all day :)
12:40.07dankolbTrue, I guess
12:44.50SPQRwhat stuff were ya doing in london today, or is that 'I'll have to kill ya if I told ya' material? :P
12:52.19dankolbRebooting a machine
12:54.09resuDaed_sshdoubt they fixed it on here
12:56.45SPQRresuDaed :  heh, if all else fails..
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13:24.34JDhi Dave
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13:31.13JDdankolb: could you not have got anyone else to reboot the machine?
13:31.18JDor did you do a bit more than that?
13:32.31dankolbI finished off a RedHat install (read: hit enter twice)
13:32.44dankolband it was better than I could see what was going on
13:33.01dankolbPlus it took longer for Globix to go and reboot the machine last time than it took for me to get there
13:33.08dankolbAnd they rebooted the wrong machine, and charged for it
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13:34.56sashty
13:48.07denivrihello
13:48.09denivriwhat a day
13:48.26sashre
14:08.01resuDaed_sshgetting somewhere now, sending a request for a hard reseton the root password
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14:13.00sashwb
14:13.11dankolbThanks
14:15.56sashdankolb: When is your talk on *BSD?
14:16.32dankolbApparently I'm supposed to give it at the next Gllug
14:16.38dankolbThis would require I write it
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14:16.59formihello people
14:17.03dankolbhi
14:18.28formii got a question for you dan
14:18.33dankolbEek
14:18.33dankolb:)
14:19.02formii have been playing with the security settings on my laptop, FBSD 5
14:19.33dankolbMmhmm. I haven't used FBSD 5
14:19.43formii have created a user account from where i have sudo access without passwd
14:20.04dankolbOkay
14:20.43forminow
14:21.41formiinside X, how can start an xterm under user 2, when X is running under user 1 without typing "su user 2" ?
14:22.19dankolbsudo su user2 -c xterm
14:22.23dankolb(try)
14:22.52formicould you just start it from the console?
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14:23.44dankolbPossibly
14:23.54dankolbsudo su user2 -c xterm -display :0
14:24.37formithat to be run under "user 1" ??
14:25.07dankolbFrom the console, yeah. You might need to set up xauth, though
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14:26.56formiwhat about logging in the console as user2, typing 2xterm -display :0" ??
14:27.05formiseems more straight forward
14:27.09formihi murb
14:27.13dankolbThat'd work too
14:28.01formianybody going to the securityfocus conferences?
14:29.39murbthe way?
14:29.42murbs/way/what/
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14:33.01formisorry
14:33.21formimurb: infosec.co.uk
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14:38.42sashYoo hoo.
14:38.52dankolbWell hello there
14:39.01formihi sas
14:39.08formih
14:39.29sashformi: Any plans for the 1st?
14:39.41JDwhy can't just one of my machines work
14:39.43sashRage against the machine?
14:39.46JDsash: X-men2
14:40.22dankolbJD: Because people would be shouting the other ones don't
14:40.33dankolbSee, you wouldn't have this problem if you used Slackware :)
14:40.47formisash: not really, but something will come up
14:41.06formisash: query me!!
14:41.13JDdankolb: one is windows NT one is windows 2000 and one is Debian but to be honest none of the machiens have got an OS on yet
14:41.19JDas they are all HW problems
14:41.26dankolbheh
14:41.28JDone is a fucked floopy drive
14:41.32JDone is a fucked HD
14:41.54JDone is a heatsink plastic clip (or lack thereof)
14:42.08dankolbSo if you got yourself a geekgirl, you'd stop fucking your hardware?
14:42.09dankolb;-)
14:43.02JDdankolb: wouldn't help. I would still need to go to work :(
15:01.49zacharydankolb: No mercy, ouch!
15:02.07dankolbNo, no mercy :)
15:02.30dankolbAnyone play with UML here?
15:02.55zacharyUser-Mode-Linux?
15:03.19dankolby
15:03.31forminasrat has
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15:03.54zacharyTushar
15:04.29formitushar is highly difficult to find on irc, and/or sober probably :->
15:05.05zacharyformi: I stand corrected.
15:06.31formizachary: against the nearest wall !!!
15:07.44zacharyformi: The stick of ram didn't work. I have to send it back. :o(
15:07.47eye69resuDaed_ssh: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html    :)
15:08.32formizachary: as you see fit
15:10.57murbanyone for wycombe.pub?
15:12.10dankolbwhen?
15:12.16resuDaed_ssheye69 : you think they'll allow me to do that on my cobalt?
15:13.28murbtoday
15:14.15murbresuDaed_ssh: do you have root?
15:14.23eye69resuDaed_ssh: I didn't take "permission" into account. :)
15:14.26murband how much pay wil you lose if htye fire you?
15:14.44resuDaed_sshlol :-)
15:22.02dankolbI have band practice in Wycombe, 7.30 until 9.30
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15:28.00A4266hey all
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15:29.29A4266cann any1 tell me what this erroe means? :/  socket: Address family not supported by protocol
15:29.41murbI have to get to wycombe before 2000 to reutn a library book.
15:29.55murbit means you probably couldn't create an ipv6 socket
15:30.35A4266how can I go about creating one?
15:32.34A4266its an ipx socket I need to create
15:34.21murboh load ipx
15:34.24murbsupport.
15:34.30murbso you can have that address family.
15:34.40murbwhat ar eyou trying to achive btw?
15:35.21A4266trying to get ipx going so we can access novell shares
15:35.38A4266ps, how do I load ipx? :)
15:47.50resuDaed_sshcan someone email me at tom.taylor@digitactive.com please
15:52.20A4266sent
15:52.26resuDaed_sshty
15:52.28A4266yw
15:53.32resuDaed_sshworking, ty
15:54.26murbA4266: what version of netware is your server running?
15:54.34murbif it is recent and running ip you could mount stuff iwthout ipx
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15:57.27A42661 sec, gonna find out now murb
15:57.28zacharywb formi
15:58.03dankolbmurb: Do you want to meet for a drink around 9.30?
15:58.45formizachary: ta
15:59.41JDone dead processor and one useless motherboard
15:59.59murbdanolb: ok
16:00.02sashGive it to dan :)
16:00.12A4266murb : no 1 seems to know what its running :/
16:00.22murbi've got imp to talk to curried imap!
16:00.30murbA4266: can you ping it?
16:00.47murband you probably want the ipx stuff as it does discovery and things which might be useful.
16:01.22dankolbCool
16:01.29dankolbbah. Power supply fan died.
16:01.32dankolbBad things.
16:03.20A4266murb : I've loaded the ipx and its running it ok. tried to connect to the novell server, but I think thats due to lack of info on our side :(
16:04.52murbhave you tried the random ncp nwp commands?
16:04.56murbs/nwp/nw/
16:05.06A4266murb : getting the info now
16:05.29murboh and you know that linux has at one point had support to read native novell volumes.
16:06.23A4266murb : I know just about nothing about novell :(
16:07.28resuDaed_sshdoes anyone know how I can configure mutt to send email from a differenet address, (ie not  user@thisbox)
16:07.47A4266murb : it was all dumped on me last week thursday that i had to set up a share :/
16:08.12resuDaed_sshA4266 : I know how you feel, I had the whole responsisbility of this colo box dropped on me today
16:08.24A4266heh
16:08.58A4266resudaed : at least you know something about colo!!
16:14.34A4266murb : I have the mame of the serve and I thin kits found the server, but I getthe follow error: ncpmount: No such device in mount(2)
16:14.57murbdo you have ncpfs loaded?
16:15.24A4266how do I check that?
16:15.29murbresuDaed_ssh: just set from? you can do this based on a regex on somthing in the config
16:15.33murbcat /proc/filesystems
16:16.01eye69resuDaed_ssh: my_hdr From: John Doe <john@doe.net>
16:16.01A4266nope
16:16.36murbhas any example send-hook intp@intp@lists.boxhost.net "my_hdr From: murB <murble-intp@yuri.org.uk>"
16:17.22murbresudaed: if you need to lie about your enveope sender do a set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -f asdfasdf@asfdasdf" ahd hope youre a privelaged sender
16:17.44A4266murb : do I need to modprobe ncpfs?
16:20.16murbA4266: somthing like that should do it, if you have that module avalible
16:20.45A4266murb : the module isn't avilable :/
16:27.51murbwhat does uname -a say?
16:29.24A4266date and time followed by i686 unknown
16:31.07A4266murb : I'd acctualy like to start it all over again right from the start. How can I unistall ncpfs?
16:32.27murbit should have given your kernel vresion as well.
16:32.32murbhow did you install it?
16:32.57dankolbmurb: Which pub do you want to drink in?
16:34.03A4266downloaded the most recent version from the site and did 'configure', 'make' and 'make'install' as the readme sujjested
16:38.03murbdankolb: don't mind not o'neals
16:39.39dankolbhrm, well.....okay then
16:42.58dankolbShould I give you a call when I've finished practice?
16:44.25murb'k
16:49.13ClyphoxHi all
16:49.28dankolbEek. It's a Clyphox
16:49.36SPQRmurb : is there a 1 liner I can use to uninstall ncpfs? (SPQR is A4266)
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16:49.40SPQRhey Clyphox
16:49.48SPQRhmm...
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16:50.02Clyphoxhas it ogne?#
16:50.03SPQRhey Clyphox
16:50.07dankolbI'm off home now
16:50.11dankolbC'yall later
16:50.11SPQRlol
16:50.16SPQRcya dan
16:50.23dankolbmurb: Do you want me to call you on UK or Lux mobile?
16:50.38Clyphoxcheers dan
17:11.35murbUK is cheaper
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17:16.25pmaccydwhois Clyphox
17:18.07murbwhy do i bother?
17:20.21Clyphoxmurb: cause?
17:20.24pmaccydClyphox thanx for the BJ last night I didnt know you was bi sexual..
17:20.50Clyphoxpmaccyd: its a pleasure.. its a good thing your mum told you about me.
17:21.02SPQRlol
17:21.46formiClyphox: any change on the ss5 front ?
17:22.14Clyphoxformi: Have to befriend the local unix guru and see if he has a monitor..
17:22.33Clyphoxformi: still busy busy busy lookin for job to worry about ss5 for now :-(
17:22.45Clyphoxformi: I might be getting a Pdp-11 if I'm lucky too :-)
17:23.58formiyou have my condolences
17:24.22pmaccydisn't that a fridge?
17:24.28Clyphoxformi: HAve you manages to get a job yet?
17:24.56formimaybe it would be worth aproaching him with the sparc, and then ask him about jobs, he is bound to know a lot of people
17:25.23formiClyphox: it is hard for me to grasp the idea of "looking for a job"
17:25.38Clyphoxformi: he's a uni student.. but maybe..
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17:26.21formican somebody tell me how set the environment on the command line?
17:35.25SPQRk, done. Logged back again. But haven't typed anything
17:36.16Clyphoxformi: export FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=1 ?
17:36.19Clyphoxformi: export FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes ?
17:36.23Clyphoxno idea..
18:01.28dankolbmurb: Will call UK phone, then
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18:09.09Clyphoxoub good
18:09.16Clyphoxer pub good
18:09.29A4266ahh
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18:41.42formioi leeds
18:42.02Leedshey formi
18:42.19zacharyevning Leeds
18:42.21formihow are you?
18:42.33Leedsnot bad...
18:42.44Leedszach :-)
18:43.12Leedswhat's up?
18:44.14formiLeeds: frankly, that is a question you don't ask a galician bloke, at least if you are not gay and looking for "action".
18:44.39Leedsokay, um... "how's things?"
18:44.48Leedslike talking to an Aussie about root...
18:46.01formii know one who used to go around in a shirt with "root" written in big letter on the back
18:47.22formiLeeds: i think i remenber you talking about compiling X, is that true?
18:47.30LeedsI have done
18:49.49formii did compile it the other day, and noticed all the drivers for the different cards were compiled
18:50.05formiim looking at how to avoid compiling all of them
18:50.07Leedsright
18:50.19Leedswhy?
18:50.20formithe Makefile doesn't seem to allow for it
18:50.35Leedswhy not build it all?
18:50.42Leedsyou only need to install the bits you want
18:50.46formimachine is a p2-366 with 128M ram
18:50.55Leedshmm...
18:51.09formiI want the most out of it, and the less time compiling
18:51.22Leedshow many times are you planning on compiling X?
18:51.36formihopefully only 1 more
18:51.59formiuntil the next major version comes up
18:52.24formican i open a query window, and paste the Makefile for you to have a look at
18:53.11Leedsif you really want to...
18:54.01formiups, it may be better to post it, due to the scrolling+too long file+pasting don't mix well
18:57.32formion its way
18:58.38Leedsum, that looks like a FreeBSD ports Makefile
18:58.44formiit is
18:58.46LeedsI don't do distro-built stuff
18:58.52Leedsget it from xfree86.org
18:59.09Leedsif you want freebsd support, ask the author of that makefile...
18:59.19formithe fbsd blokes usually interfiere very little with the sources
18:59.29Leedsdon't care
18:59.34formiok
18:59.43formijust asking, thanks
18:59.43LeedsI don't do debs, I don't do RPMs, I don't do ports...
18:59.54LeedsI'm happy to help if you're going to build it properly
19:00.11formiand I bet you don't ever wear underpants :-)
19:02.14Leedsmy job is working on stuff like that Makefile.  I don't like it
19:03.11formiwhat i don't get is what is the MAN? stuff
19:03.26formiman pages or the proper stuff
19:03.28formi?
19:03.32Leedsno idea
19:04.43Leedsisn't it documented?
19:05.14formii didn't think people document Makefiles
19:05.36Leedsthat Makefile is part of the ports system... isn't it documented?
19:06.27formithe ports system is documented, but the bit about how to tweak X is another thing altogether I believe
19:07.39formithe reason why im using the ports system (and loving it) is because is really easy to compile everything without being a developer
19:08.08Leedsit's really easy to compile things by reading the devloper's instructions
19:08.24formithe what?
19:08.29Leedshttp://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/BUILD.html
19:08.30formijoking
19:09.07formichecking...
19:11.18forminot much help there that i couldn't find from the sources
19:11.35formii'll check them when i get some free time
19:13.28Leedsit tells you to edit a particular file... the drivers to build are about 40 lines down in that file
19:14.54formithanks
19:16.04formii need to piss off
19:16.28formihave to get some paperwork,
19:16.31formidone
19:17.42formisee ya
19:42.34zacharybbl, working on servers.
19:42.37Leedsoh dear - I've redorkulated
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20:19.57JDhi all
20:20.31Clyphoxheya
20:20.41JDwhat is redorkulated?
20:20.50JDand why is it bad?
20:21.15JDI'm not giving them administrator password
20:21.25JDthey don't need it
20:21.31JDthey'll just break things
20:25.36JDdammit talk to me
20:25.52JDI'm not here for my health you know
20:30.30JDbah
20:36.34eye69JD: Meep
21:14.08JDdammit I'm tired
21:14.21JDI can't really be arsed to sleep
21:14.56JDand I want to know a way of making XP know the bios clock is running UTC time and not local time
21:15.18JDI had this issue before with win2k iirc
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22:42.15Leedsredorkulated=became a dork again
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22:50.09armijnre
22:52.39dankolbRe?
22:53.16Clyphoxre
22:53.22armijnsigh
22:53.28armijnI've been battling this MFM disk all day
22:53.28dankolbWhat's up?
22:53.41armijnbut the controller isn't really cooperative
22:53.57dankolbUrgh
22:54.01ClyphoxWhats MFM?
22:54.07armijnclyphox: ancient stuff
22:54.18armijnbefore IDE
22:54.38armijnheh, I didn't know what MFM was until two days ago :)
22:54.42dankolb:)
22:54.49dankolbThink IBM AT
22:55.21armijnyeah, when geeks were muscled and all that because of carrying those heavy machines
22:55.40dankolbYeah
22:55.40LeedsMFM??? whoa
22:55.56armijncontroller gives lots of crap...
22:56.23LeedsI think I have a MFM HDD somewhere - 10Mb
22:56.25armijnsometimes I can boot RH from IDE disk, sometimes not, or I get a keyboard error, or it doesn't even want to go past BIOS boot
22:56.30armijn10 megabit?
22:56.48armijn(why does everyone do Mb and MB wrong?)
22:56.55Leedswhatever, megabyte
22:57.08Clyphoxnn ppl
22:57.23LeedsI go by context - disk is always byte, files are bytes, network links are bits
22:57.59dankolbnn Clyphox
22:58.16dankolbLikewise
22:58.18armijncu Clyphox
22:58.22armijnwell, it is wrong :)
22:59.48armijnLeeds: I got the DVD, thanks for that
23:01.39Leedscool
23:01.50dankolbCan I have  aDVD too?/
23:02.16Leedsdankolb: what for?
23:03.57armijnnow, the really interesting part is, how should I install Solaris 9?
23:04.29armijnprobably turn a Solaris 9/UltraSparc box into a jumpstart server, let it NFS mount the DVD in a Linux box and then use it to install a PC :)
23:04.34armijnor just run it in VMWare
23:05.11Leedseither should work...
23:06.32Leedsexcept...
23:06.43armijnexcept Solaris 9 isn't supported on VMWare?
23:06.45LeedsI'm not sure how well it runs on vmware :-(
23:06.57armijna friend of mine had it running on vmware
23:07.21dankolbcoz DVDs are 31337, m3n!
23:07.22dankolb;-)
23:07.30Leedsif you say so - we just run it on PCs :-)
23:08.02armijnsamba gets pushed back more and more...
23:08.49Leedsyeah?
23:09.55armijnyeah, now it's august
23:10.22Leedshnn...
23:10.23armijnit was supposed to be two weeks ago, and before that in january and before that a year ago...
23:10.50armijnleeds: why, you need to make another CD :)
23:11.13Leedswe make a new CD every 3 months... but samba isn't on the CD
23:11.46armijnah
23:12.04Leedsit's core Solaris... we've been working on keeping up...
23:13.09dankolbI go sleepwise
23:13.11dankolb'night all
23:14.17armijncore Solaris...
23:14.19armijnsweet
23:15.00LeedsI worked on getting it in, but someone in California has been keeping it up-to-date
23:15.07Leedsnot been easy...
23:15.09Leedsnight dab
23:15.10Leedsdan
23:15.58armijncu dan
23:16.19armijnI heard what they need to do for Samba 4...not funny
23:16.32Leedswhat's that then?
23:16.52armijnwell, complete ActiveDirectory support
23:16.58armijnit touches quite a few components
23:17.01Leedshmmm...
23:17.10armijnnot just the SMB code, but also LDAP, Kerberos, DHCP
23:17.45armijnwhat I heard is that they will try to get code into OpenLDAP for that
23:18.00LeedsI would imagine that's the sane way...
23:18.08Leedsapparently novell have given code to openLDAP...
23:18.09armijnyeah, but ADS == evil
23:18.26LeedsI only deal with Unix stuff... I'm lucky :-)
23:19.14armijnbelieve me, it's evil
23:19.52armijnoh, talking about UNIX stuff, when will NFSv4 be ready :)
23:20.31LeedsI think it's been ready and working for a while...
23:20.37Leedsunless you're talking about Linux, that is :-)
23:20.40armijnfor FreeBSD?
23:20.48Leedsoh, freebsd... no idea
23:20.51armijnLinux and FreeBSD mainly
23:21.17Leedsit is, AFAIK, a published spec... and I know Sun has been supporting the Linux development...
23:21.48armijnyeah, they support the people at CITI
23:21.51murbhmm samba head does actually build...
23:27.26armijnwell, time to go to bed
23:27.39Leedsyeah...
23:27.41armijnit was a loooong frustrating day, so I need some sleep :)
23:27.49armijng'night!
23:27.53A4266nn
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23:29.03Leedsibot brick wall
23:29.04ACTION installs a bad bootloader on wall and turns wall into a brick
23:30.00A4266where can I find ibot commands?
23:30.12A4266for this 1 that is :)
23:30.42Leedsibot help
23:30.55A4266ibot help
23:31.13Leedsjust don't use insult... seems to kill him
23:31.42A4266damn. I was just going to lobotomish Clyphox :(
23:31.52Leedsibot nickometer A4266
23:31.56'A4266' is 25.000% lame, leeds
23:31.57A4266*lobotomis
23:32.01A4266lol
23:32.19A4266ibot crypt Clyphox
23:32.191yAXra5yAoBpE
23:32.25A4266ohh, useful
23:33.19A4266ibot quote
23:33.35A4266ibot quote slackware
23:33.57Leedsibot google for african swallow
23:34.05Leedsibot quote SUNW
23:34.12Leedsblah
23:34.30A4266ibot tell SPQR
23:34.37A4266ibot tell google
23:34.44A4266ibot tell Clyphox
23:34.57A4266target invalid...
23:35.20Leedsibot tell A4266 about windows
23:35.26A4266ibot wantnick floorfila
23:35.27A4266: I wish you would RTFM.
23:35.33Leedsheh
23:35.39A4266lol
23:35.58A4266ibot tell Leeds about megatokyo
23:36.07A4266ibot tell Leeds about linux
23:36.09Leedsmmm... megatokya :-)
23:36.21A4266good comic :)
23:36.31Leedsindeed
23:37.20A4266ever checked out ubersoft.net?
23:37.49Leedsdon't know it
23:38.07A4266have a look see at it. Only found it today myself :)
23:38.33A4266ya gotta know penny-arcade.com though. :)
23:38.54LeedsI know of it...
23:39.21A4266they have a thing for Illiad of Userfriendly...
23:40.32A4266ibot tell Leeds about godzilla
23:40.45LeedsI tend to read Userfriendly
23:40.48A4266ibot doesn't know godzila!! }-[
23:40.49A4266: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
23:41.25Leedsso teach him... tell him "ibot godzilla is foo"
23:41.31A4266ibot spell godzilla
23:41.33possible spellings for godzilla: Godzilla Godzilla's goodwill gorilla Gisella Gizela goodwills gorillas Godel codicil godlier godly Godel's
23:41.46Leedsibot gisella
23:41.47Leeds: wish i knew
23:41.55A4266ibot godzilla is foo
23:41.55okay, A4266
23:42.08A4266ibot tell Leeds about godzilla
23:42.37LeedsI didn't mean literally godzilla is foo
23:42.59Leeds:-)
23:43.06A4266lol, sorry, my bad
23:43.24A4266ibot godzilla is big, nasty and here to play
23:43.24...but godzilla is already something else...
23:43.41A4266I can I remove gozilla from his memory banks?
23:43.43Leedsibot forget godzilla
23:43.43Leeds: i forgot godzilla
23:43.54A4266lol, thx
23:43.56A4266ibot godzilla is big, nasty and here to play
23:43.57okay, A4266
23:44.37A4266ibot tell Leeds about godzilla
23:44.46A4266hehe :)
23:45.14Leedsibot A4266 is just messing around
23:45.16okay, Leeds
23:45.55Leedsare you aware of my background with SCO?
23:45.56A4266ibot Leeds stared in TC (Top Cat) :)
23:45.57A4266: I give up, what is it?
23:46.25A4266SCO?
23:46.50LeedsSCO
23:47.04A4266lol
23:47.24Leedsyou know of SCO?
23:47.35Leedsyou know what that strip was about?
23:47.37A4266sorry, no :(  I live a sheltered life
23:47.50A4266the ibot strip?
23:48.28A4266ibot google SCO
23:48.29A4266: no idea
23:48.40Leedsno, the ubersoft strip
23:48.45Leedsibot google for SCO
23:49.10Leedscool - LWN appears on a google for SCO :-)
23:49.33Leedsbefore they became the company they are now, I worked at SCO
23:49.45A4266oohh, cool :)
23:50.32A4266so you know a few things about caldera then?
23:52.06Leedsa little... but I didn't work at Caldera.  I worked at SCO... and I think we were, at least, a pretty decent little engineering org back then... I'm pissed off at what Caldera have done to our name
23:53.07Leedsdamn - this Vera is sweet
23:54.48Leedswhoa - haven't heard of that for a while
23:55.27A4266good, game. Was the first that I bought :) Still play it every now and again... Now where is the key card??
23:55.42A4266arg, probly gonna have to dl it or something :(
23:56.50A4266I'm not to worried about the key card, I'm not the 1 who needs it as I have most of it memorized :)
23:57.39Leedsooh - good word: "pessimisation"
23:57.48A4266whats it mean?
23:58.01A4266anything to do with pessimistic?
23:58.59A4266ibot google for x-wing vs tie-fighter keycard
23:59.25Leedsthe opposite of optimisation :-)
23:59.44A4266ohh, interesting :)

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