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07:43.17 | Tarragon | Morning All! |
07:56.27 | murb | morning and happy 2nd birthday a machine at work it has been up 730 days |
08:01.36 | Tarragon | That is impressive. Do you update for security while it is runing? |
08:01.53 | murb | yeah, the only thing that is a little flack is the kernel. |
08:02.03 | murb | but i think that is only local exploits and remote DoS stuff. |
08:04.02 | Tarragon | I didn't think anything could be done about a DoS attack except take the machine offline and wait until it is over |
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08:05.20 | SPQR | g'morning |
08:06.42 | murb | Tarragon: it depends on the DoS, generally you can atleast filter at your border. |
08:07.01 | murb | (this may not be useful if you upstream is saturated) |
08:07.12 | murb | but you can always get them to filter as well. |
08:09.05 | JD | morning |
08:09.47 | JD | Tarragon: where've you been for the last week? |
08:10.31 | murb | JD: we've no idea, but this is his first bit of day release. |
08:11.00 | Tarragon | Two weeks. Dead. I have Lupus and against all advice I caught chicken pox. (third time). |
08:11.16 | JD | lupus? |
08:11.31 | JD | ibot: JD |
08:11.31 | | JD: i don't know |
08:12.05 | JD | ibot: JD is looking for a indie or nu-metaler geek girl, non-smoker |
08:12.06 | | JD: okay |
08:13.02 | JD | ibot: dpash |
08:13.02 | | methinks dpash is looking for a geek girl |
08:13.11 | JD | ibot: no dpash is JD |
08:13.12 | | okay, JD |
08:20.23 | dankolb | Blah |
08:21.16 | JD | hi dankolb |
08:21.21 | JD | whatya blahing about? |
08:29.56 | dankolb | Collaboration is down |
08:30.04 | dankolb | The SMTP/DNS server has gone titsup |
08:30.07 | dankolb | Bloody Linux shite |
08:30.08 | dankolb | :-P |
08:32.11 | JD | dankolb: bit controversial in here :) |
08:32.26 | dankolb | Oh yah :) |
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08:33.15 | JD | everyone is out of the office |
08:33.15 | cup | morning |
08:33.24 | JD | I should have brought over my new pixies album |
08:35.48 | SPQR | I've heard mention that there's parachute software for ups's of some descirption on slackware. Does any1 know if its true? |
08:36.06 | dankolb | Back much later |
08:36.38 | SPQR | cya dan |
08:41.01 | JD | SPQR: you may want to look at NUT |
08:41.14 | JD | SPQR: it is the sane of UPSs |
08:42.25 | SPQR | NUT? Do ya have url I can check up on it? |
08:45.16 | Tarragon | SPQR: http://www.exploits.org/nut/docs/1.2.0/chroot.html |
08:47.08 | SPQR | thx |
08:50.15 | JD | Tarragon: so are you feeling better? |
08:55.09 | Tarragon | Not completely, but better than I was. Thanks |
09:03.59 | Tarragon | :-) |
09:07.33 | JD | anyone know a channel for talking about linux on laptops? |
09:09.41 | murb | why not go now whilst flights are cheaper? |
09:10.01 | JD | murb: because LCA is not on when the flights are cheaper |
09:11.44 | murb | JD: is it happening next year? |
09:12.04 | murb | normally, well last year the fliers for it were distributed at the ukuug summer conference |
09:13.14 | JD | murb: check http://www.debconf/miniconf3/ |
09:13.20 | JD | debconf.org |
09:16.32 | murb | are you going? |
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09:20.18 | JD | murb: depends on the finances |
09:20.24 | JD | quite close to fosdem |
09:32.54 | murb | JD: oh you realiase you're geek skiing as well next year, don't you? |
09:33.08 | JD | oh yeah |
09:33.20 | JD | ah crap |
09:33.27 | JD | expensive business this |
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10:40.55 | zachary | morning |
10:58.41 | JD | hi |
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11:03.09 | JD | dammit what is up with f.uk.kernel.o |
11:03.23 | JD | last kernel is 2.5.63, but lwn says it is 3.5.68 |
11:11.05 | JD | oh Ted "relational databases" Codd is dead |
11:23.43 | eye69 | JD: Hmmm |
11:24.01 | eye69 | JD: ftp.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/linux/kernel/v2.5 |
11:24.12 | JD | eye69: ftp.kernel.org |
11:24.18 | eye69 | Yeah, or that. |
11:24.27 | eye69 | Just thought BY's might be faster |
11:24.42 | JD | took about 10 min here |
11:24.48 | JD | fast enough for me |
11:25.57 | eye69 | Yup |
11:26.15 | eye69 | I'm compiling 2.5.68 on my router now...might as well try it |
11:28.46 | eye69 | Was it you who mentioned ported KAME stuff? |
11:30.39 | JD | yeah |
11:31.05 | eye69 | Do you have a name for it? |
11:34.15 | JD | KAME? |
11:34.25 | eye69 | Found it |
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11:42.19 | resuDaed_ssh | does anyone know how to reset the MySQL root password? |
11:43.10 | JD | from inside mysql, yes |
11:44.27 | resuDaed_ssh | I have telnet access to the machine, and administrative rights |
11:47.22 | eye69 | resuDaed_ssh: Stop mysql, and run it with --skip-grant-tables |
11:48.08 | resuDaed_ssh | eye69 69 : ty |
11:48.30 | eye69 | resuDaed_ssh: The thing to run is 'mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables' |
11:48.44 | resuDaed_ssh | ok |
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12:05.36 | JD | lunch |
12:17.32 | resuDaed_ssh | is it standard practice for a company offering colo boxes not to give out the actual root password? |
12:19.27 | SPQR | hey resuDaed_ssh |
12:20.00 | SPQR | only if you can't prove you own that box.. |
12:20.46 | SPQR | ask them if they'll send confimation of the passwd to the owner instead.. |
12:20.53 | SPQR | that might work |
12:25.11 | resuDaed_ssh | I have the owner here,he has a password for the user 'admin' which is a very restriceted root |
12:26.08 | resuDaed_ssh | it can create users, edit webpages ... 'bout it |
12:26.40 | SPQR | but still not quite root... Ring them up again and ask them if they have a 'forgotten password' dept or something like that. |
12:26.58 | resuDaed_ssh | yeah, just waiting for him to finish something else |
12:27.13 | resuDaed_ssh | I need to restart mysqld as root, and compile ssl |
12:27.52 | SPQR | get on to them. They should have something where they'll let youknow what the password is... Might also want to ask them if you can change the psw over the phone? |
12:32.08 | dankolb | Bah |
12:34.51 | dankolb | Set one up |
12:34.58 | dankolb | (just returned from London) |
12:35.04 | SPQR | how do I go about doing it? ;) |
12:35.09 | dankolb | man blah |
12:35.09 | SPQR | have fun? |
12:35.10 | dankolb | :-P |
12:35.11 | dankolb | No |
12:35.14 | SPQR | lol |
12:35.34 | dankolb | I've come to the depressing realisation that going to London is no fun any more |
12:35.46 | SPQR | no manual entry for blah :P |
12:36.04 | SPQR | heh. Unless you're doing it on a very fast motocycle... |
12:36.17 | dankolb | :) |
12:38.21 | SPQR | you could try going to aberdeen sometime by car sometime :) Then you'll start enjoying london again!! |
12:38.29 | dankolb | heh |
12:38.42 | dankolb | It's just yet another trip |
12:38.50 | SPQR | my butts still numb!! |
12:39.02 | SPQR | heh, ya. But its looks different to london :) |
12:39.25 | dankolb | (London is, I meant) |
12:39.32 | SPQR | ahh, hehe |
12:39.40 | dankolb | Go there, get on the tube, do stuff, come back home |
12:39.59 | SPQR | :) Its better than sitting on ya ass all day :) |
12:40.07 | dankolb | True, I guess |
12:44.50 | SPQR | what stuff were ya doing in london today, or is that 'I'll have to kill ya if I told ya' material? :P |
12:52.19 | dankolb | Rebooting a machine |
12:54.09 | resuDaed_ssh | doubt they fixed it on here |
12:56.45 | SPQR | resuDaed : heh, if all else fails.. |
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13:24.34 | JD | hi Dave |
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13:31.13 | JD | dankolb: could you not have got anyone else to reboot the machine? |
13:31.18 | JD | or did you do a bit more than that? |
13:32.31 | dankolb | I finished off a RedHat install (read: hit enter twice) |
13:32.44 | dankolb | and it was better than I could see what was going on |
13:33.01 | dankolb | Plus it took longer for Globix to go and reboot the machine last time than it took for me to get there |
13:33.08 | dankolb | And they rebooted the wrong machine, and charged for it |
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13:34.30 | zachary | <PROTECTED> |
13:34.56 | sash | ty |
13:48.07 | denivri | hello |
13:48.09 | denivri | what a day |
13:48.26 | sash | re |
14:08.01 | resuDaed_ssh | getting somewhere now, sending a request for a hard reseton the root password |
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14:13.00 | sash | wb |
14:13.11 | dankolb | Thanks |
14:15.56 | sash | dankolb: When is your talk on *BSD? |
14:16.32 | dankolb | Apparently I'm supposed to give it at the next Gllug |
14:16.38 | dankolb | This would require I write it |
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14:16.59 | formi | hello people |
14:17.03 | dankolb | hi |
14:18.28 | formi | i got a question for you dan |
14:18.33 | dankolb | Eek |
14:18.33 | dankolb | :) |
14:19.02 | formi | i have been playing with the security settings on my laptop, FBSD 5 |
14:19.33 | dankolb | Mmhmm. I haven't used FBSD 5 |
14:19.43 | formi | i have created a user account from where i have sudo access without passwd |
14:20.04 | dankolb | Okay |
14:20.43 | formi | now |
14:21.41 | formi | inside X, how can start an xterm under user 2, when X is running under user 1 without typing "su user 2" ? |
14:22.19 | dankolb | sudo su user2 -c xterm |
14:22.23 | dankolb | (try) |
14:22.52 | formi | could you just start it from the console? |
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14:23.44 | dankolb | Possibly |
14:23.54 | dankolb | sudo su user2 -c xterm -display :0 |
14:24.37 | formi | that to be run under "user 1" ?? |
14:25.07 | dankolb | From the console, yeah. You might need to set up xauth, though |
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14:26.56 | formi | what about logging in the console as user2, typing 2xterm -display :0" ?? |
14:27.05 | formi | seems more straight forward |
14:27.09 | formi | hi murb |
14:27.13 | dankolb | That'd work too |
14:28.01 | formi | anybody going to the securityfocus conferences? |
14:29.39 | murb | the way? |
14:29.42 | murb | s/way/what/ |
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14:33.01 | formi | sorry |
14:33.21 | formi | murb: infosec.co.uk |
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14:38.42 | sash | Yoo hoo. |
14:38.52 | dankolb | Well hello there |
14:39.01 | formi | hi sas |
14:39.08 | formi | h |
14:39.29 | sash | formi: Any plans for the 1st? |
14:39.41 | JD | why can't just one of my machines work |
14:39.43 | sash | Rage against the machine? |
14:39.46 | JD | sash: X-men2 |
14:40.22 | dankolb | JD: Because people would be shouting the other ones don't |
14:40.33 | dankolb | See, you wouldn't have this problem if you used Slackware :) |
14:40.47 | formi | sash: not really, but something will come up |
14:41.06 | formi | sash: query me!! |
14:41.13 | JD | dankolb: one is windows NT one is windows 2000 and one is Debian but to be honest none of the machiens have got an OS on yet |
14:41.19 | JD | as they are all HW problems |
14:41.26 | dankolb | heh |
14:41.28 | JD | one is a fucked floopy drive |
14:41.32 | JD | one is a fucked HD |
14:41.54 | JD | one is a heatsink plastic clip (or lack thereof) |
14:42.08 | dankolb | So if you got yourself a geekgirl, you'd stop fucking your hardware? |
14:42.09 | dankolb | ;-) |
14:43.02 | JD | dankolb: wouldn't help. I would still need to go to work :( |
15:01.49 | zachary | dankolb: No mercy, ouch! |
15:02.07 | dankolb | No, no mercy :) |
15:02.30 | dankolb | Anyone play with UML here? |
15:02.55 | zachary | User-Mode-Linux? |
15:03.19 | dankolb | y |
15:03.31 | formi | nasrat has |
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15:03.54 | zachary | Tushar |
15:04.29 | formi | tushar is highly difficult to find on irc, and/or sober probably :-> |
15:05.05 | zachary | formi: I stand corrected. |
15:06.31 | formi | zachary: against the nearest wall !!! |
15:07.44 | zachary | formi: The stick of ram didn't work. I have to send it back. :o( |
15:07.47 | eye69 | resuDaed_ssh: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html :) |
15:08.32 | formi | zachary: as you see fit |
15:10.57 | murb | anyone for wycombe.pub? |
15:12.10 | dankolb | when? |
15:12.16 | resuDaed_ssh | eye69 : you think they'll allow me to do that on my cobalt? |
15:13.28 | murb | today |
15:14.15 | murb | resuDaed_ssh: do you have root? |
15:14.23 | eye69 | resuDaed_ssh: I didn't take "permission" into account. :) |
15:14.26 | murb | and how much pay wil you lose if htye fire you? |
15:14.44 | resuDaed_ssh | lol :-) |
15:22.02 | dankolb | I have band practice in Wycombe, 7.30 until 9.30 |
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15:28.00 | A4266 | hey all |
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15:29.29 | A4266 | cann any1 tell me what this erroe means? :/ socket: Address family not supported by protocol |
15:29.41 | murb | I have to get to wycombe before 2000 to reutn a library book. |
15:29.55 | murb | it means you probably couldn't create an ipv6 socket |
15:30.35 | A4266 | how can I go about creating one? |
15:32.34 | A4266 | its an ipx socket I need to create |
15:34.21 | murb | oh load ipx |
15:34.24 | murb | support. |
15:34.30 | murb | so you can have that address family. |
15:34.40 | murb | what ar eyou trying to achive btw? |
15:35.21 | A4266 | trying to get ipx going so we can access novell shares |
15:35.38 | A4266 | ps, how do I load ipx? :) |
15:47.50 | resuDaed_ssh | can someone email me at tom.taylor@digitactive.com please |
15:52.20 | A4266 | sent |
15:52.26 | resuDaed_ssh | ty |
15:52.28 | A4266 | yw |
15:53.32 | resuDaed_ssh | working, ty |
15:54.26 | murb | A4266: what version of netware is your server running? |
15:54.34 | murb | if it is recent and running ip you could mount stuff iwthout ipx |
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15:57.27 | A4266 | 1 sec, gonna find out now murb |
15:57.28 | zachary | wb formi |
15:58.03 | dankolb | murb: Do you want to meet for a drink around 9.30? |
15:58.45 | formi | zachary: ta |
15:59.41 | JD | one dead processor and one useless motherboard |
15:59.59 | murb | danolb: ok |
16:00.02 | sash | Give it to dan :) |
16:00.12 | A4266 | murb : no 1 seems to know what its running :/ |
16:00.22 | murb | i've got imp to talk to curried imap! |
16:00.30 | murb | A4266: can you ping it? |
16:00.47 | murb | and you probably want the ipx stuff as it does discovery and things which might be useful. |
16:01.22 | dankolb | Cool |
16:01.29 | dankolb | bah. Power supply fan died. |
16:01.32 | dankolb | Bad things. |
16:03.20 | A4266 | murb : I've loaded the ipx and its running it ok. tried to connect to the novell server, but I think thats due to lack of info on our side :( |
16:04.52 | murb | have you tried the random ncp nwp commands? |
16:04.56 | murb | s/nwp/nw/ |
16:05.06 | A4266 | murb : getting the info now |
16:05.29 | murb | oh and you know that linux has at one point had support to read native novell volumes. |
16:06.23 | A4266 | murb : I know just about nothing about novell :( |
16:07.28 | resuDaed_ssh | does anyone know how I can configure mutt to send email from a differenet address, (ie not user@thisbox) |
16:07.47 | A4266 | murb : it was all dumped on me last week thursday that i had to set up a share :/ |
16:08.12 | resuDaed_ssh | A4266 : I know how you feel, I had the whole responsisbility of this colo box dropped on me today |
16:08.24 | A4266 | heh |
16:08.58 | A4266 | resudaed : at least you know something about colo!! |
16:14.34 | A4266 | murb : I have the mame of the serve and I thin kits found the server, but I getthe follow error: ncpmount: No such device in mount(2) |
16:14.57 | murb | do you have ncpfs loaded? |
16:15.24 | A4266 | how do I check that? |
16:15.29 | murb | resuDaed_ssh: just set from? you can do this based on a regex on somthing in the config |
16:15.33 | murb | cat /proc/filesystems |
16:16.01 | eye69 | resuDaed_ssh: my_hdr From: John Doe <john@doe.net> |
16:16.01 | A4266 | nope |
16:16.36 | murb | has any example send-hook intp@intp@lists.boxhost.net "my_hdr From: murB <murble-intp@yuri.org.uk>" |
16:17.22 | murb | resudaed: if you need to lie about your enveope sender do a set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -f asdfasdf@asfdasdf" ahd hope youre a privelaged sender |
16:17.44 | A4266 | murb : do I need to modprobe ncpfs? |
16:20.16 | murb | A4266: somthing like that should do it, if you have that module avalible |
16:20.45 | A4266 | murb : the module isn't avilable :/ |
16:27.51 | murb | what does uname -a say? |
16:29.24 | A4266 | date and time followed by i686 unknown |
16:31.07 | A4266 | murb : I'd acctualy like to start it all over again right from the start. How can I unistall ncpfs? |
16:32.27 | murb | it should have given your kernel vresion as well. |
16:32.32 | murb | how did you install it? |
16:32.57 | dankolb | murb: Which pub do you want to drink in? |
16:34.03 | A4266 | downloaded the most recent version from the site and did 'configure', 'make' and 'make'install' as the readme sujjested |
16:38.03 | murb | dankolb: don't mind not o'neals |
16:39.39 | dankolb | hrm, well.....okay then |
16:42.58 | dankolb | Should I give you a call when I've finished practice? |
16:44.25 | murb | 'k |
16:49.13 | Clyphox | Hi all |
16:49.28 | dankolb | Eek. It's a Clyphox |
16:49.36 | SPQR | murb : is there a 1 liner I can use to uninstall ncpfs? (SPQR is A4266) |
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16:49.40 | SPQR | hey Clyphox |
16:49.48 | SPQR | hmm... |
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16:50.02 | Clyphox | has it ogne?# |
16:50.03 | SPQR | hey Clyphox |
16:50.07 | dankolb | I'm off home now |
16:50.11 | dankolb | C'yall later |
16:50.11 | SPQR | lol |
16:50.16 | SPQR | cya dan |
16:50.23 | dankolb | murb: Do you want me to call you on UK or Lux mobile? |
16:50.38 | Clyphox | cheers dan |
17:11.35 | murb | UK is cheaper |
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17:16.25 | pmaccyd | whois Clyphox |
17:18.07 | murb | why do i bother? |
17:20.21 | Clyphox | murb: cause? |
17:20.24 | pmaccyd | Clyphox thanx for the BJ last night I didnt know you was bi sexual.. |
17:20.50 | Clyphox | pmaccyd: its a pleasure.. its a good thing your mum told you about me. |
17:21.02 | SPQR | lol |
17:21.46 | formi | Clyphox: any change on the ss5 front ? |
17:22.14 | Clyphox | formi: Have to befriend the local unix guru and see if he has a monitor.. |
17:22.33 | Clyphox | formi: still busy busy busy lookin for job to worry about ss5 for now :-( |
17:22.45 | Clyphox | formi: I might be getting a Pdp-11 if I'm lucky too :-) |
17:23.58 | formi | you have my condolences |
17:24.22 | pmaccyd | isn't that a fridge? |
17:24.28 | Clyphox | formi: HAve you manages to get a job yet? |
17:24.56 | formi | maybe it would be worth aproaching him with the sparc, and then ask him about jobs, he is bound to know a lot of people |
17:25.23 | formi | Clyphox: it is hard for me to grasp the idea of "looking for a job" |
17:25.38 | Clyphox | formi: he's a uni student.. but maybe.. |
17:25.56 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
17:25.56 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
17:25.56 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
17:26.21 | formi | can somebody tell me how set the environment on the command line? |
17:35.25 | SPQR | k, done. Logged back again. But haven't typed anything |
17:36.16 | Clyphox | formi: export FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=1 ? |
17:36.19 | Clyphox | formi: export FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes ? |
17:36.23 | Clyphox | no idea.. |
18:01.28 | dankolb | murb: Will call UK phone, then |
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18:09.09 | Clyphox | oub good |
18:09.16 | Clyphox | er pub good |
18:09.29 | A4266 | ahh |
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18:41.42 | formi | oi leeds |
18:42.02 | Leeds | hey formi |
18:42.19 | zachary | evning Leeds |
18:42.21 | formi | how are you? |
18:42.33 | Leeds | not bad... |
18:42.44 | Leeds | zach :-) |
18:43.12 | Leeds | what's up? |
18:44.14 | formi | Leeds: frankly, that is a question you don't ask a galician bloke, at least if you are not gay and looking for "action". |
18:44.39 | Leeds | okay, um... "how's things?" |
18:44.48 | Leeds | like talking to an Aussie about root... |
18:46.01 | formi | i know one who used to go around in a shirt with "root" written in big letter on the back |
18:47.22 | formi | Leeds: i think i remenber you talking about compiling X, is that true? |
18:47.30 | Leeds | I have done |
18:49.49 | formi | i did compile it the other day, and noticed all the drivers for the different cards were compiled |
18:50.05 | formi | im looking at how to avoid compiling all of them |
18:50.07 | Leeds | right |
18:50.19 | Leeds | why? |
18:50.20 | formi | the Makefile doesn't seem to allow for it |
18:50.35 | Leeds | why not build it all? |
18:50.42 | Leeds | you only need to install the bits you want |
18:50.46 | formi | machine is a p2-366 with 128M ram |
18:50.55 | Leeds | hmm... |
18:51.09 | formi | I want the most out of it, and the less time compiling |
18:51.22 | Leeds | how many times are you planning on compiling X? |
18:51.36 | formi | hopefully only 1 more |
18:51.59 | formi | until the next major version comes up |
18:52.24 | formi | can i open a query window, and paste the Makefile for you to have a look at |
18:53.11 | Leeds | if you really want to... |
18:54.01 | formi | ups, it may be better to post it, due to the scrolling+too long file+pasting don't mix well |
18:57.32 | formi | on its way |
18:58.38 | Leeds | um, that looks like a FreeBSD ports Makefile |
18:58.44 | formi | it is |
18:58.46 | Leeds | I don't do distro-built stuff |
18:58.52 | Leeds | get it from xfree86.org |
18:59.09 | Leeds | if you want freebsd support, ask the author of that makefile... |
18:59.19 | formi | the fbsd blokes usually interfiere very little with the sources |
18:59.29 | Leeds | don't care |
18:59.34 | formi | ok |
18:59.43 | formi | just asking, thanks |
18:59.43 | Leeds | I don't do debs, I don't do RPMs, I don't do ports... |
18:59.54 | Leeds | I'm happy to help if you're going to build it properly |
19:00.11 | formi | and I bet you don't ever wear underpants :-) |
19:02.14 | Leeds | my job is working on stuff like that Makefile. I don't like it |
19:03.11 | formi | what i don't get is what is the MAN? stuff |
19:03.26 | formi | man pages or the proper stuff |
19:03.28 | formi | ? |
19:03.32 | Leeds | no idea |
19:04.43 | Leeds | isn't it documented? |
19:05.14 | formi | i didn't think people document Makefiles |
19:05.36 | Leeds | that Makefile is part of the ports system... isn't it documented? |
19:06.27 | formi | the ports system is documented, but the bit about how to tweak X is another thing altogether I believe |
19:07.39 | formi | the reason why im using the ports system (and loving it) is because is really easy to compile everything without being a developer |
19:08.08 | Leeds | it's really easy to compile things by reading the devloper's instructions |
19:08.24 | formi | the what? |
19:08.29 | Leeds | http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/BUILD.html |
19:08.30 | formi | joking |
19:09.07 | formi | checking... |
19:11.18 | formi | not much help there that i couldn't find from the sources |
19:11.35 | formi | i'll check them when i get some free time |
19:13.28 | Leeds | it tells you to edit a particular file... the drivers to build are about 40 lines down in that file |
19:14.54 | formi | thanks |
19:16.04 | formi | i need to piss off |
19:16.28 | formi | have to get some paperwork, |
19:16.31 | formi | done |
19:17.42 | formi | see ya |
19:42.34 | zachary | bbl, working on servers. |
19:42.37 | Leeds | oh dear - I've redorkulated |
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20:19.57 | JD | hi all |
20:20.31 | Clyphox | heya |
20:20.41 | JD | what is redorkulated? |
20:20.50 | JD | and why is it bad? |
20:21.15 | JD | I'm not giving them administrator password |
20:21.25 | JD | they don't need it |
20:21.31 | JD | they'll just break things |
20:25.36 | JD | dammit talk to me |
20:25.52 | JD | I'm not here for my health you know |
20:30.30 | JD | bah |
20:36.34 | eye69 | JD: Meep |
21:14.08 | JD | dammit I'm tired |
21:14.21 | JD | I can't really be arsed to sleep |
21:14.56 | JD | and I want to know a way of making XP know the bios clock is running UTC time and not local time |
21:15.18 | JD | I had this issue before with win2k iirc |
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22:42.15 | Leeds | redorkulated=became a dork again |
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22:50.09 | armijn | re |
22:52.39 | dankolb | Re? |
22:53.16 | Clyphox | re |
22:53.22 | armijn | sigh |
22:53.28 | armijn | I've been battling this MFM disk all day |
22:53.28 | dankolb | What's up? |
22:53.41 | armijn | but the controller isn't really cooperative |
22:53.57 | dankolb | Urgh |
22:54.01 | Clyphox | Whats MFM? |
22:54.07 | armijn | clyphox: ancient stuff |
22:54.18 | armijn | before IDE |
22:54.38 | armijn | heh, I didn't know what MFM was until two days ago :) |
22:54.42 | dankolb | :) |
22:54.49 | dankolb | Think IBM AT |
22:55.21 | armijn | yeah, when geeks were muscled and all that because of carrying those heavy machines |
22:55.40 | dankolb | Yeah |
22:55.40 | Leeds | MFM??? whoa |
22:55.56 | armijn | controller gives lots of crap... |
22:56.23 | Leeds | I think I have a MFM HDD somewhere - 10Mb |
22:56.25 | armijn | sometimes I can boot RH from IDE disk, sometimes not, or I get a keyboard error, or it doesn't even want to go past BIOS boot |
22:56.30 | armijn | 10 megabit? |
22:56.48 | armijn | (why does everyone do Mb and MB wrong?) |
22:56.55 | Leeds | whatever, megabyte |
22:57.08 | Clyphox | nn ppl |
22:57.23 | Leeds | I go by context - disk is always byte, files are bytes, network links are bits |
22:57.59 | dankolb | nn Clyphox |
22:58.16 | dankolb | Likewise |
22:58.18 | armijn | cu Clyphox |
22:58.22 | armijn | well, it is wrong :) |
22:59.48 | armijn | Leeds: I got the DVD, thanks for that |
23:01.39 | Leeds | cool |
23:01.50 | dankolb | Can I have aDVD too?/ |
23:02.16 | Leeds | dankolb: what for? |
23:03.57 | armijn | now, the really interesting part is, how should I install Solaris 9? |
23:04.29 | armijn | probably turn a Solaris 9/UltraSparc box into a jumpstart server, let it NFS mount the DVD in a Linux box and then use it to install a PC :) |
23:04.34 | armijn | or just run it in VMWare |
23:05.11 | Leeds | either should work... |
23:06.32 | Leeds | except... |
23:06.43 | armijn | except Solaris 9 isn't supported on VMWare? |
23:06.45 | Leeds | I'm not sure how well it runs on vmware :-( |
23:06.57 | armijn | a friend of mine had it running on vmware |
23:07.21 | dankolb | coz DVDs are 31337, m3n! |
23:07.22 | dankolb | ;-) |
23:07.30 | Leeds | if you say so - we just run it on PCs :-) |
23:08.02 | armijn | samba gets pushed back more and more... |
23:08.49 | Leeds | yeah? |
23:09.55 | armijn | yeah, now it's august |
23:10.22 | Leeds | hnn... |
23:10.23 | armijn | it was supposed to be two weeks ago, and before that in january and before that a year ago... |
23:10.50 | armijn | leeds: why, you need to make another CD :) |
23:11.13 | Leeds | we make a new CD every 3 months... but samba isn't on the CD |
23:11.46 | armijn | ah |
23:12.04 | Leeds | it's core Solaris... we've been working on keeping up... |
23:13.09 | dankolb | I go sleepwise |
23:13.11 | dankolb | 'night all |
23:14.17 | armijn | core Solaris... |
23:14.19 | armijn | sweet |
23:15.00 | Leeds | I worked on getting it in, but someone in California has been keeping it up-to-date |
23:15.07 | Leeds | not been easy... |
23:15.09 | Leeds | night dab |
23:15.10 | Leeds | dan |
23:15.58 | armijn | cu dan |
23:16.19 | armijn | I heard what they need to do for Samba 4...not funny |
23:16.32 | Leeds | what's that then? |
23:16.52 | armijn | well, complete ActiveDirectory support |
23:16.58 | armijn | it touches quite a few components |
23:17.01 | Leeds | hmmm... |
23:17.10 | armijn | not just the SMB code, but also LDAP, Kerberos, DHCP |
23:17.45 | armijn | what I heard is that they will try to get code into OpenLDAP for that |
23:18.00 | Leeds | I would imagine that's the sane way... |
23:18.08 | Leeds | apparently novell have given code to openLDAP... |
23:18.09 | armijn | yeah, but ADS == evil |
23:18.26 | Leeds | I only deal with Unix stuff... I'm lucky :-) |
23:19.14 | armijn | believe me, it's evil |
23:19.52 | armijn | oh, talking about UNIX stuff, when will NFSv4 be ready :) |
23:20.31 | Leeds | I think it's been ready and working for a while... |
23:20.37 | Leeds | unless you're talking about Linux, that is :-) |
23:20.40 | armijn | for FreeBSD? |
23:20.48 | Leeds | oh, freebsd... no idea |
23:20.51 | armijn | Linux and FreeBSD mainly |
23:21.17 | Leeds | it is, AFAIK, a published spec... and I know Sun has been supporting the Linux development... |
23:21.48 | armijn | yeah, they support the people at CITI |
23:21.51 | murb | hmm samba head does actually build... |
23:27.26 | armijn | well, time to go to bed |
23:27.39 | Leeds | yeah... |
23:27.41 | armijn | it was a loooong frustrating day, so I need some sleep :) |
23:27.49 | armijn | g'night! |
23:27.53 | A4266 | nn |
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23:29.03 | Leeds | ibot brick wall |
23:29.04 | | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on wall and turns wall into a brick |
23:30.00 | A4266 | where can I find ibot commands? |
23:30.12 | A4266 | for this 1 that is :) |
23:30.42 | Leeds | ibot help |
23:30.55 | A4266 | ibot help |
23:31.13 | Leeds | just don't use insult... seems to kill him |
23:31.42 | A4266 | damn. I was just going to lobotomish Clyphox :( |
23:31.52 | Leeds | ibot nickometer A4266 |
23:31.56 | | 'A4266' is 25.000% lame, leeds |
23:31.57 | A4266 | *lobotomis |
23:32.01 | A4266 | lol |
23:32.19 | A4266 | ibot crypt Clyphox |
23:32.19 | | 1yAXra5yAoBpE |
23:32.25 | A4266 | ohh, useful |
23:33.19 | A4266 | ibot quote |
23:33.35 | A4266 | ibot quote slackware |
23:33.57 | Leeds | ibot google for african swallow |
23:34.05 | Leeds | ibot quote SUNW |
23:34.12 | Leeds | blah |
23:34.30 | A4266 | ibot tell SPQR |
23:34.37 | A4266 | ibot tell google |
23:34.44 | A4266 | ibot tell Clyphox |
23:34.57 | A4266 | target invalid... |
23:35.20 | Leeds | ibot tell A4266 about windows |
23:35.26 | A4266 | ibot wantnick floorfila |
23:35.27 | | A4266: I wish you would RTFM. |
23:35.33 | Leeds | heh |
23:35.39 | A4266 | lol |
23:35.58 | A4266 | ibot tell Leeds about megatokyo |
23:36.07 | A4266 | ibot tell Leeds about linux |
23:36.09 | Leeds | mmm... megatokya :-) |
23:36.21 | A4266 | good comic :) |
23:36.31 | Leeds | indeed |
23:37.20 | A4266 | ever checked out ubersoft.net? |
23:37.49 | Leeds | don't know it |
23:38.07 | A4266 | have a look see at it. Only found it today myself :) |
23:38.33 | A4266 | ya gotta know penny-arcade.com though. :) |
23:38.54 | Leeds | I know of it... |
23:39.21 | A4266 | they have a thing for Illiad of Userfriendly... |
23:40.32 | A4266 | ibot tell Leeds about godzilla |
23:40.45 | Leeds | I tend to read Userfriendly |
23:40.48 | A4266 | ibot doesn't know godzila!! }-[ |
23:40.49 | | A4266: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
23:41.25 | Leeds | so teach him... tell him "ibot godzilla is foo" |
23:41.31 | A4266 | ibot spell godzilla |
23:41.33 | | possible spellings for godzilla: Godzilla Godzilla's goodwill gorilla Gisella Gizela goodwills gorillas Godel codicil godlier godly Godel's |
23:41.46 | Leeds | ibot gisella |
23:41.47 | | Leeds: wish i knew |
23:41.55 | A4266 | ibot godzilla is foo |
23:41.55 | | okay, A4266 |
23:42.08 | A4266 | ibot tell Leeds about godzilla |
23:42.37 | Leeds | I didn't mean literally godzilla is foo |
23:42.59 | Leeds | :-) |
23:43.06 | A4266 | lol, sorry, my bad |
23:43.24 | A4266 | ibot godzilla is big, nasty and here to play |
23:43.24 | | ...but godzilla is already something else... |
23:43.41 | A4266 | I can I remove gozilla from his memory banks? |
23:43.43 | Leeds | ibot forget godzilla |
23:43.43 | | Leeds: i forgot godzilla |
23:43.54 | A4266 | lol, thx |
23:43.56 | A4266 | ibot godzilla is big, nasty and here to play |
23:43.57 | | okay, A4266 |
23:44.37 | A4266 | ibot tell Leeds about godzilla |
23:44.46 | A4266 | hehe :) |
23:45.14 | Leeds | ibot A4266 is just messing around |
23:45.16 | | okay, Leeds |
23:45.55 | Leeds | are you aware of my background with SCO? |
23:45.56 | A4266 | ibot Leeds stared in TC (Top Cat) :) |
23:45.57 | | A4266: I give up, what is it? |
23:46.25 | A4266 | SCO? |
23:46.50 | Leeds | SCO |
23:47.04 | A4266 | lol |
23:47.24 | Leeds | you know of SCO? |
23:47.35 | Leeds | you know what that strip was about? |
23:47.37 | A4266 | sorry, no :( I live a sheltered life |
23:47.50 | A4266 | the ibot strip? |
23:48.28 | A4266 | ibot google SCO |
23:48.29 | | A4266: no idea |
23:48.40 | Leeds | no, the ubersoft strip |
23:48.45 | Leeds | ibot google for SCO |
23:49.10 | Leeds | cool - LWN appears on a google for SCO :-) |
23:49.33 | Leeds | before they became the company they are now, I worked at SCO |
23:49.45 | A4266 | oohh, cool :) |
23:50.32 | A4266 | so you know a few things about caldera then? |
23:52.06 | Leeds | a little... but I didn't work at Caldera. I worked at SCO... and I think we were, at least, a pretty decent little engineering org back then... I'm pissed off at what Caldera have done to our name |
23:53.07 | Leeds | damn - this Vera is sweet |
23:54.48 | Leeds | whoa - haven't heard of that for a while |
23:55.27 | A4266 | good, game. Was the first that I bought :) Still play it every now and again... Now where is the key card?? |
23:55.42 | A4266 | arg, probly gonna have to dl it or something :( |
23:56.50 | A4266 | I'm not to worried about the key card, I'm not the 1 who needs it as I have most of it memorized :) |
23:57.39 | Leeds | ooh - good word: "pessimisation" |
23:57.48 | A4266 | whats it mean? |
23:58.01 | A4266 | anything to do with pessimistic? |
23:58.59 | A4266 | ibot google for x-wing vs tie-fighter keycard |
23:59.25 | Leeds | the opposite of optimisation :-) |
23:59.44 | A4266 | ohh, interesting :) |