| 04:00.54 | *** join/#gllug irvined_ (~irvined@62.3.242.110) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:38.54 | Tarragon | Good morning |
| 07:54.41 | dankolb | Morning |
| 08:11.15 | Stephen | morning |
| 08:11.27 | dankolb | Grr. Windows problems. |
| 08:11.45 | dankolb | Init TSRQuery takes 20.5 minutes to complete |
| 08:15.32 | dankolb | What's up? |
| 08:16.01 | dankolb | Ah |
| 08:16.46 | JD | I don't have a headache, but I feel slightly decidedly unperky |
| 08:17.11 | dankolb | Ah |
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| 08:21.45 | SPQR | mornin' |
| 08:22.01 | dankolb | Hi |
| 08:22.10 | SPQR | Hey Dan |
| 08:24.58 | JD | hi SPQR how was /your/ weekend? |
| 08:25.21 | SPQR | JD : Busy!! |
| 08:25.40 | JD | hmmm |
| 08:28.09 | SPQR | JD : How was yours? |
| 08:30.26 | Tarragon | How do you use rot13 in a terminal? |
| 08:31.13 | dankolb | rot13 |
| 08:31.13 | dankolb | HTH |
| 08:31.29 | dankolb | echo Foo | rot13 |
| 08:32.14 | Tarragon | Thanks |
| 08:33.35 | dankolb | yw |
| 08:34.26 | JD | brb router reboot |
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| 08:45.22 | JD | back |
| 08:45.25 | JD | eventually |
| 08:46.53 | SPQR | wb |
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| 09:02.15 | zachary | good morning |
| 09:02.32 | JD | morning |
| 09:05.13 | zachary | daughter received her first MMR shot last thursday, and she started to feel it today. |
| 09:05.25 | zachary | not going to be a good day at all! |
| 09:07.20 | JD | ouch |
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| 09:26.38 | cup | morning |
| 09:44.43 | JD | I would be happy if it was, cos then it would probably be gone by later this morning |
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| 10:06.55 | dankolb | PCs-- |
| 10:07.17 | dankolb | WOOHOO! |
| 10:07.21 | dankolb | Apple Rocks muchly! |
| 10:11.47 | dankolb | Ow? |
| 10:11.54 | dankolb | Surely that's low voltage, though? |
| 10:11.55 | JD | er yeah |
| 10:12.00 | JD | you would think so |
| 10:12.05 | dankolb | Yeah. 12V you wouldn't feel |
| 10:12.14 | dankolb | Well, depends on the current, too |
| 10:12.25 | JD | and any static I have picked up |
| 10:12.34 | dankolb | True |
| 10:12.39 | dankolb | Is the camera okay? :) |
| 10:12.47 | JD | camera was not atteched |
| 10:12.56 | JD | cable is attached to the machine |
| 10:13.21 | dankolb | Is the machine okay? :) |
| 10:13.26 | JD | seems to be |
| 10:13.36 | dankolb | That's good then |
| 10:14.00 | dankolb | The body will heal itself |
| 10:18.21 | JD | could be there a long time |
| 10:18.26 | dankolb | 12.1MB |
| 10:18.31 | dankolb | Not getting the large stuff |
| 10:18.49 | dankolb | M? |
| 10:18.54 | dankolb | Like what do you mean? |
| 10:19.05 | dankolb | It does download it all in one go. Unless you have exclusive updates |
| 10:19.09 | dankolb | Which affect the core OS |
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| 10:27.29 | irvined_ | hello everybody |
| 10:30.46 | SPQR | g'day irvined |
| 10:30.49 | JD | download SP3 on its own, download IE6 download, download WMp9 on its own etc etc |
| 10:31.02 | JD | soory for the lag. had a support call :( |
| 10:31.02 | irvined_ | hi SPQR |
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| 10:33.30 | dankolb | Myeah, well, that's Windows |
| 10:33.35 | dankolb | SP3 is core, IE6 is core |
| 10:33.41 | dankolb | WMP9 is probably being put into core |
| 10:33.58 | dankolb | OS X downloads everything, installs everything, and then restarts (if it needs to) |
| 10:34.10 | JD | restarts? whats that? |
| 10:34.17 | dankolb | Think when you upgrade your kernel |
| 10:34.25 | dankolb | Or do you do that on the fly? Or have an old kernel? |
| 10:35.08 | dankolb | True. Well, Win2000 isn't too bad about it |
| 10:35.11 | dankolb | (FSVO too bad) |
| 10:35.27 | JD | FSVO? |
| 10:35.33 | dankolb | Last time I rebooted my FreeBSD workstation was, urm...when I turned it off when I went on 2 weeks holiday |
| 10:35.37 | dankolb | (well, 10 days) |
| 10:35.40 | JD | I had to reboot the bloody thing about 4 times |
| 10:35.42 | dankolb | For Some Value Of |
| 10:35.49 | JD | ah |
| 10:35.53 | dankolb | 4 times in what timescale? |
| 10:36.12 | JD | during upgrading from base install to all latest patches |
| 10:36.27 | dankolb | Ah |
| 10:36.31 | dankolb | Ah well :) |
| 10:36.48 | dankolb | If you need to reboot, you need to reboot. |
| 10:37.48 | JD | but I shouldn;t need to reboot to upgrade a fucking web browser |
| 10:38.08 | SPQR | some problens need a good reboot to get them fixed |
| 10:38.09 | dankolb | It's not a web browser. It's a core OS component. |
| 10:38.10 | dankolb | :) |
| 10:38.25 | JD | SPQR: but they shouldn;t need to |
| 10:38.29 | dankolb | So, say, if you upgrade Mozilla, you have to close the old browser down and start the new one up |
| 10:38.33 | dankolb | It's the same thing, really :) |
| 10:38.35 | JD | dankolb: it is a web browser |
| 10:38.47 | dankolb | No no. they say it's a core OS component. |
| 10:38.47 | dankolb | :) |
| 10:39.00 | JD | dankolb: I upgrade konqueror or khtml I don't need to reboot |
| 10:39.10 | dankolb | No, but you need to restart Konqueror |
| 10:40.54 | JD | maybe |
| 10:41.48 | JD | but I still don't have to reboot |
| 10:42.10 | JD | a web browser is not part of the kernel |
| 10:42.22 | JD | or even a html renderer |
| 10:43.13 | JD | the only reason for rebooting a machine is replace the kernel or needing to remove the power |
| 10:48.29 | dankolb | Depends how the OS is designed |
| 10:58.07 | JD | In Windows case, very badly |
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| 11:00.43 | dankolb | Heh |
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| 11:12.39 | JD | sadly not a good way |
| 11:29.18 | JD | someone brought their machine over today because it wasn't booting |
| 11:29.37 | JD | maoned about not being a bootable disk |
| 11:29.50 | JD | I've just looked at it and guess what the problem was |
| 11:31.49 | dankolb | Floppy disk in the drive? |
| 11:32.16 | sash | Electricity outage? |
| 11:32.27 | JD | prize goes to dankolb |
| 11:32.34 | dankolb | Woohoo! |
| 11:32.38 | dankolb | Do I win a beer at the next Gllug? |
| 11:32.58 | JD | no |
| 11:33.33 | dankolb | Bwah |
| 11:34.19 | JD | greedy get |
| 11:34.35 | JD | you can be satisfied with a job well done |
| 11:34.40 | dankolb | Fine. |
| 11:35.27 | JD | anyone know of a network KVM switch? |
| 11:41.07 | dankolb | Dabs will probably sell them |
| 11:59.51 | JD | lunch :) |
| 11:59.58 | dankolb | Yes |
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| 12:56.12 | dankolb | dankolb@moloko:~$ uptime |
| 12:56.12 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.23 | dankolb | And still the system is extremely responsive |
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| 13:10.56 | JD | dankolb: I've had 3 figure loadavg before |
| 13:18.19 | dankolb | With good responsiveness? |
| 13:22.34 | JD | dankolb: not really - fork bomb |
| 13:35.38 | dankolb | Ah. |
| 13:35.53 | dankolb | I'm more impressed with the responsiveness than the load average |
| 13:47.46 | dankolb | ibot lart CUPS |
| 13:47.57 | JD | wh what has it done? |
| 13:48.02 | dankolb | Or not done |
| 13:48.13 | dankolb | Printing through Samba through CUPS |
| 13:48.23 | dankolb | Set up printer on someone's machine. Doesn't want to know. At all. |
| 13:48.43 | dankolb | Use a postscript driver instead, it prints out utter shite, but it does spool |
| 13:49.36 | JD | you want it to be raw output |
| 13:50.32 | dankolb | Tried that. Also doesn't want to know. |
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| 13:52.26 | SPQR | Afternoon all |
| 13:52.49 | dankolb | Hi |
| 13:56.21 | SPQR | Dan, have you ever played with with Tekram scsi cards b4? |
| 13:56.44 | SPQR | I've set 1 up, compilede it into the kernal and rebooted. |
| 13:57.00 | SPQR | but i can't modprobe it :/ |
| 13:57.33 | dankolb | Nope |
| 13:57.43 | dankolb | compiled into the kernel? Rather than as a module? |
| 13:58.45 | SPQR | good question... I'm checking it now |
| 14:00.22 | dankolb | What does it say when you modprobe? |
| 14:00.46 | SPQR | Well I followed the driver user's guide. So I'm not sure what I did :/ This is my fist time acctualy playing with the kernel |
| 14:01.08 | dankolb | Ah |
| 14:01.21 | dankolb | Never read documentation. It's almost always crap :) |
| 14:01.27 | SPQR | its says modprobe: Can't locate module |
| 14:01.32 | dankolb | ah. |
| 14:01.44 | dankolb | Did you run a 'make modules ; make modules_install' after compiling the kernel? |
| 14:01.52 | SPQR | yup |
| 14:04.01 | SPQR | I've just relised... I think it might have already been loaded when we rebooted.... |
| 14:06.00 | dankolb | Ah |
| 14:06.01 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:06.02 | dankolb | lsmod |
| 14:10.15 | SPQR | did lsmod, but its not showing the scsi mod at all. Though the tape drive thats plugged into the card is now working :) |
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| 14:20.45 | SPQR | arg, gotta set up my ipx and stuff again :/ |
| 14:20.58 | SPQR | hey resuDead_ssh |
| 14:34.59 | JD | hi Tom |
| 14:39.03 | resuDead_ssh | hey all |
| 14:39.10 | resuDead_ssh | has anyone ever worked with cURL? |
| 14:51.34 | JD | what is that then? |
| 14:53.35 | resuDead_ssh | it is something I am going to have to somehow compile into PHP without PHP being offline for more than around 15-20 seconds |
| 14:55.58 | dankolb | You can compile it while running the old version |
| 14:56.42 | resuDead_ssh | dankolb : I know, but how will the transition work, this is a live colo server with 200ish sites hosted |
| 14:56.57 | dankolb | Stop Apache |
| 14:57.00 | dankolb | Install new PHP |
| 14:57.03 | dankolb | Restart Apache |
| 14:57.04 | dankolb | In theory :) |
| 14:57.19 | resuDead_ssh | will that maintain old php config files? |
| 14:58.10 | resuDead_ssh | and how do I find out what php already has compiled into it? |
| 14:58.54 | dankolb | phpinfo(); function |
| 14:59.38 | resuDead_ssh | thanks |
| 15:00.04 | dankolb | At least I think it's phpinfo :) |
| 15:02.09 | dankolb | Ski home? |
| 15:02.52 | resuDead_ssh | lol |
| 15:05.30 | murbLU | is he north of the border? |
| 15:05.38 | murbLU | or Watford or whatever. |
| 15:05.46 | dankolb | North of Watford Gap |
| 15:06.40 | SPQR | heh |
| 15:06.43 | resuDead_ssh | dankolb : http://d1.resudaed.com/index.php |
| 15:07.01 | dankolb | Yup |
| 15:07.21 | dankolb | Notice the '--with-curl=shared' option |
| 15:07.49 | resuDead_ssh | yes, but the curl functions are non-existant |
| 15:08.27 | dankolb | You might need to load a PHP module, then |
| 15:50.31 | zachary | bbl |
| 16:07.40 | dankolb | Heh |
| 16:21.02 | JD | I think I'll go home and sleep until tomorrow |
| 16:21.12 | dankolb | 'night then |
| 16:21.19 | dankolb | FTP-- |
| 16:21.26 | JD | well I've got to wait 9 minutes first :( |
| 16:21.33 | JD | FTP--? |
| 16:21.35 | dankolb | Don't trust anything you can't control through telnet |
| 16:22.28 | dankolb | So you don't trust SMTP, POP, IMAP? |
| 16:22.44 | JD | not really no |
| 16:22.52 | dankolb | Fair enough |
| 16:23.00 | dankolb | But at least you can use them if telnet is all you have |
| 16:23.34 | JD | ah s/control/communicate/ |
| 16:23.38 | resuDead_ssh | nessus rocks |
| 16:23.59 | JD | yes it does |
| 16:24.18 | dankolb | Well, I count 'control' as 'issue commands' |
| 16:24.26 | dankolb | So....yeah, communicate would work too |
| 16:26.31 | JD | ah sod it. home time |
| 16:27.14 | dankolb | C'ya |
| 16:44.00 | dankolb | Hometime! |
| 16:45.57 | JD | hi all |
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| 16:57.53 | JD | sash: you should really work out who you are |
| 17:00.33 | sash | ? |
| 17:00.55 | JD | [17:56] -!- sash is *Unknown* |
| 17:01.20 | sash | ibot who is sash |
| 17:01.21 | | Stand-alone shell for system recovery. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~dbell/ or Ming the Merciless |
| 17:01.27 | sash | See. |
| 17:23.50 | JD | brb |
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| 17:30.32 | Jenson | hiya Dan |
| 17:30.48 | Jenson | Hiya JD |
| 17:31.01 | A4266 | Hey all |
| 17:31.11 | A4266 | Heya Beks :) |
| 17:31.12 | Jenson | hiya Al |
| 17:31.31 | Jenson | Time ti gi enwquire abiout dinner |
| 17:31.36 | Jenson | ooh nice language lol |
| 17:31.41 | A4266 | hehe. |
| 17:32.44 | Jenson | we're having salad, i like salad |
| 17:33.11 | JD | hi Jenson |
| 17:33.13 | Jenson | Al hon, do you wanna DCC me all the pics from like the weekend? |
| 17:33.53 | Clyphox | Howzit |
| 17:34.15 | A4266 | yo bru |
| 17:34.29 | Clyphox | Hi all |
| 17:34.32 | Clyphox | er AL |
| 17:34.41 | Jenson | heya Cly |
| 17:34.43 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 17:34.53 | JD | hello said florance |
| 17:35.06 | Clyphox | re Jenson |
| 17:35.30 | JD | who was everyone's weekend? |
| 17:35.37 | JD | how even |
| 17:35.54 | Jenson | JD: Scatty, been hanging with A4266 and resuDaed's family all weekend |
| 17:36.23 | JD | So I gather |
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| 17:36.52 | Jenson | I'll be in London again Friday I thnik |
| 17:36.55 | Jenson | hello Trillian Al |
| 17:37.02 | Jenson | Clyphox: how was it? |
| 17:37.03 | SPQR | hehe |
| 17:37.09 | JD | SPQR: are you just trying to confuse us? |
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| 17:37.17 | Jenson | SPQR: My fault lol |
| 17:37.20 | Jenson | hey skugg |
| 17:37.26 | skugg | hey jenson :) |
| 17:37.31 | JD | hi Stig |
| 17:37.46 | SPQR | not really :P Just trying to get dcc going :P |
| 17:38.01 | skugg | hi jd :) |
| 17:38.46 | SPQR | agg, this ain't gonna do it.... |
| 17:39.31 | JD | ew I drank lots of that last night |
| 17:39.54 | Clyphox | Jenson: ok.. small but nice bunch |
| 17:40.17 | Jenson | Or was it Saturday |
| 17:40.19 | JD | I woul dhave done today if it wasn't for the fact I had a cold and didn;t sleep very well as a result |
| 17:40.19 | Jenson | cant remember |
| 17:40.26 | Jenson | Sunday I tihnk |
| 17:40.30 | JD | Jenson: what did you think? |
| 17:49.27 | dankolb | skugg: Well done! :) |
| 17:49.31 | dankolb | Beers at gllug |
| 17:50.08 | Jenson | Dan, wanna come down to Camden at weekend? |
| 17:50.18 | Jenson | With me and Ross, and hopefully Alex |
| 17:50.37 | dankolb | Hell no |
| 17:51.53 | Jenson | lol ok then |
| 17:51.56 | Jenson | Anyone else? |
| 17:52.15 | skugg | sorry for the late replies folks ;) |
| 17:52.25 | Jenson | lol have fun skugg |
| 17:53.03 | dankolb | skugg: You will be there on the 17th, won't you? |
| 17:54.31 | skugg | dankolb, yeah. i will. |
| 17:54.37 | dankolb | Excellent :) |
| 17:54.47 | Jenson | so will i |
| 17:54.51 | skugg | i've not been to gllug in ages. |
| 17:55.02 | skugg | i'm looking forward to start living a life again. |
| 17:55.05 | dankolb | Weren't you at the last-but-one? |
| 17:55.09 | Jenson | oh bTW, Alex's geek sister who's 15 should be there |
| 17:55.09 | skugg | been too busy with this project. |
| 17:55.19 | dankolb | Or just FOSDEM? |
| 17:55.45 | skugg | dankolb, just fosdem i think. I've missed the last two gllugs (i think I came for the pubs of one...) |
| 17:56.08 | dankolb | Ah okay :) |
| 17:56.32 | skugg | i got the important part ;) |
| 17:56.37 | dankolb | Yup |
| 17:57.34 | skugg | heh. had a chat with my supervisor today. he asked me for advice on linux-stuff :D |
| 17:58.21 | dankolb | Cool :) |
| 17:58.24 | dankolb | Foodtime |
| 17:58.34 | Jenson | BRB |
| 18:08.02 | Jenson | awww, we've got a pair of almost tame wild ducks in our garden, they're gorgeous |
| 18:14.18 | JD | how can they be tame and wild |
| 18:14.20 | JD | ? |
| 18:14.39 | Jenson | well, they are wild ducks, probably from the local river where evyone feeds them, so they are tame |
| 18:14.57 | Jenson | but if you go up to them the male quacks to say 'keep away from my g/f' lol |
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| 18:20.29 | dankolb | Hi zach |
| 18:20.41 | zachary | evening dan |
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| 18:31.21 | JD | hi Leeds |
| 18:31.44 | Leeds | morning |
| 18:34.01 | Jenson | Heya Nikki |
| 18:35.31 | xiaoqi | hey jenson! |
| 18:35.36 | xiaoqi | hows it going? |
| 18:35.45 | Jenson | alright |
| 18:35.47 | Jenson | you? |
| 18:39.15 | xiaoqi | ok... got lots to do but no umph to do any of it |
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| 18:44.25 | Jenson | heya Michael |
| 18:45.26 | new2unix | OMG. how could you expose my identity like that? |
| 18:45.37 | new2unix | haha. |
| 18:45.49 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:45.52 | Jenson | we all know who you are |
| 18:45.58 | dankolb | I don't know who I am |
| 18:46.02 | new2unix | ibot doesnt. |
| 18:46.03 | | new2unix: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:46.15 | new2unix | OMG. now he does. :(( |
| 18:46.16 | dankolb | No, I think ibot said it nicely |
| 18:46.34 | Jenson | heh |
| 18:46.43 | Jenson | dont ask ibot about me |
| 18:46.45 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:46.50 | Jenson | its well out dated info |
| 18:46.56 | new2unix | ibot jenson |
| 18:46.56 | | extra, extra, read all about it, jenson is Slackware user (or pretends she has the slightest clue what she's doing), or going out with dankolb, or a twonkle, or a geek girl, or a twonkle, or a twonkle |
| 18:47.35 | new2unix | Hey. Dan, heard your giving a talk on ipf shortly. |
| 18:47.37 | dankolb | Hrm. That's wrong |
| 18:47.41 | dankolb | new2unix: Nope. Not ipf. |
| 18:47.49 | new2unix | what on? |
| 18:47.57 | dankolb | That hasn't been updated for months. Jenson: update it |
| 18:48.10 | dankolb | pf |
| 18:48.30 | new2unix | packet filtering? then whats ipf? |
| 18:48.43 | Jenson | I need someone to delete the Dan bit for me |
| 18:49.16 | dankolb | ipf is Darren Reed's packet filter, which Theo took out of OpenBSD when Darren 'clarified' his licence |
| 18:49.24 | dankolb | So Dan Hartmeier wrote pf |
| 18:50.09 | new2unix | ok. (didnt understand a word but... its OK) |
| 18:50.24 | dankolb | It's all in the name |
| 18:51.38 | dankolb | I might explain a little bit more in the talk |
| 18:51.38 | new2unix | i wont be making it am afraid. i'm off to Bath. Would have loved to listen in though as ive just installed NetBSD on two of my machines, and one's a laptop (do you remember my old ibm570?) |
| 18:51.45 | dankolb | Nope :) |
| 18:52.11 | Jenson | dankolb: I'll hopefully be at your talk |
| 18:52.19 | Jenson | I'll be at gllug, but not sure which bits |
| 18:52.25 | new2unix | there is a photo of you doing the rounds with you on my laptop. then, i had woody on it. |
| 18:52.45 | dankolb | Ah right :) |
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| 18:53.56 | Jenson | heya BorgBaby |
| 18:54.03 | BorgBaby | hiya Jenson |
| 18:54.08 | dankolb | new2unix: I vaguely remember it |
| 18:54.43 | new2unix | never mind. it wasnt a HELLO or OK shot. haha |
| 18:54.57 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:55.16 | new2unix | ibot seen formi |
| 18:55.17 | | formi <~formi@usr507-har.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 1h 31m 42s ago, saying: 'enjoy'. |
| 18:55.34 | new2unix | ibot thank you |
| 18:55.34 | | no worries, new2unix |
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| 18:57.12 | Jenson | hey zachary |
| 18:57.17 | Jenson | rehi even |
| 18:58.29 | new2unix | dankolb: how do you do a complete rebuild/upgrade of a NetBSD system? |
| 18:58.53 | dankolb | Update through CVS, then make a new world |
| 18:59.04 | dankolb | There should be good documentation on doing it |
| 18:59.46 | new2unix | arh. thats the bit i havent read up on yet, CVS. but the rest have been a doddle. even rebuilding my own kernel was like a walk in the park. :) |
| 18:59.56 | dankolb | :) |
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| 19:02.22 | Jenson | Damn BT |
| 19:02.27 | new2unix | i'm afraid to say that my boxes are slowly being migrated to BSD. i like Linux but... my short afair with NetBSD has been simply bliss. And the community are so grownup (my appologies to those linux afficionados). |
| 19:02.29 | A4266 | heh |
| 19:02.37 | dankolb | new2unix: I agree |
| 19:02.45 | dankolb | Well, I don't know much about the NetBSD community |
| 19:02.51 | dankolb | But #freebsdhelp was nice to me |
| 19:03.05 | dankolb | Actually, the port-vax mailing list is very friendly |
| 19:04.23 | BorgBaby | ;-) |
| 19:05.24 | new2unix | what server? I've only been on bsdforums.org and read the mailinglist archives. Shame their arent many articles out there like there are for Linux :| |
| 19:06.07 | dankolb | What sort of articles? |
| 19:07.51 | new2unix | just general chit chat. |
| 19:10.06 | JD | hi all |
| 19:10.13 | new2unix | hi |
| 19:10.19 | dankolb | Ah |
| 19:10.30 | Jenson | wb JD |
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| 19:24.46 | Skies | hi room |
| 19:24.49 | Jenson | hi |
| 19:24.50 | dankolb | Hi |
| 19:25.00 | Skies | how yez? |
| 19:27.10 | Skies | well maybe u can help me then :b |
| 19:27.34 | dankolb | Eek |
| 19:27.36 | Skies | got a computer that turns on for a few secs, fans n hard disks etc start up but then the power goes after about 9 seconds |
| 19:27.48 | dankolb | Okay... |
| 19:27.54 | dankolb | Completely out? |
| 19:27.57 | Skies | yeah |
| 19:28.04 | dankolb | k... |
| 19:28.13 | dankolb | Are all the fans working inside? |
| 19:28.14 | Skies | was working fine before i put it in a makeshift case |
| 19:28.20 | Skies | yup |
| 19:28.24 | Skies | cpu & psu |
| 19:28.30 | dankolb | What if you put it back into the original case? |
| 19:28.39 | Skies | i dont have the original case |
| 19:28.42 | dankolb | Ah |
| 19:28.49 | JD | is the heatsink on correctly? |
| 19:28.56 | Skies | probably not hehe |
| 19:29.06 | Skies | i dont think i knocked it or nothing |
| 19:29.10 | JD | cheat that |
| 19:29.15 | Skies | ok |
| 19:29.22 | JD | if it gets hot it may turn off |
| 19:29.33 | Skies | would it really get that hot so quickly tho? |
| 19:29.42 | JD | also remove and reinstall the motherboard in the case |
| 19:29.52 | JD | with no heat sink yes |
| 19:29.55 | dankolb | Yes, if there' not heatsink |
| 19:30.14 | JD | could be a short on the mpotherboard |
| 19:30.23 | Skies | well its there... maybe it just got knocked |
| 19:30.23 | dankolb | Less likely |
| 19:30.25 | Skies | hmmm.. |
| 19:30.49 | JD | just reseat everything |
| 19:30.53 | resuDaed | with a netBSD install, waht problems am I likley to come accross? |
| 19:31.07 | JD | crap OS ? |
| 19:31.11 | dankolb | ibot lart JD |
| 19:31.15 | dankolb | HAH |
| 19:31.21 | resuDaed | lol |
| 19:31.25 | resuDaed | the irony |
| 19:31.26 | dankolb | resuDaed: If you're Clyphox, lots |
| 19:31.33 | dankolb | If you're anyone else, not many ;-) |
| 19:31.35 | JD | resuDaed: have you used a BSD before? |
| 19:31.47 | resuDaed | dankolb : Clyphox's probles are what are scaring me |
| 19:32.05 | resuDaed | JD : nope, but I think I successfully finished one once before the hdd died |
| 19:32.08 | dankolb | I've only ever done one proper NetBSD install |
| 19:32.23 | dankolb | Otherwise I've netbooted it |
| 19:32.40 | JD | not much harder than a debin install |
| 19:32.51 | dankolb | Or Slackware ;-) |
| 19:32.52 | Leeds | JD: that hard??? |
| 19:33.00 | JD | but then I have done early SuSE and redhat installs too |
| 19:33.08 | dankolb | Jenson: chmod -R 777 * |
| 19:33.53 | JD | dankolb: chmod a+rwX -R * |
| 19:34.09 | JD | assuming gnu fileutils |
| 19:34.26 | murbLU | MC? |
| 19:34.30 | JD | Jenson: don't |
| 19:34.48 | Leeds | mc? don't do that |
| 19:34.49 | resuDaed | Jenson : bash should be all you need |
| 19:34.52 | JD | just type in either mine or dan's command from the dir you want to be shared |
| 19:35.09 | JD | chmod =rwX -R dirtobeshared |
| 19:35.15 | JD | argh -rwX |
| 19:35.39 | Jenson | resuDaed: dont blame me its Alex lol...even though i seem to be sharing my Win partition with everyone for some reason lol |
| 19:36.03 | resuDaed | Jenson : alex was taught by his brother who relies on mc |
| 19:36.11 | JD | Jenson: that is because it is a fat partition and as such has no concept of permissions |
| 19:36.16 | new2unix_away | resuDaed: let me know if you run into any NetBSD install problems. its a doodle |
| 19:36.21 | Leeds | put it on a diet... |
| 19:36.26 | Jenson | fuck it, i just wont bother |
| 19:36.41 | JD | ibot: lart Leeds |
| 19:36.51 | A4266 | I don't rely on mc :P |
| 19:36.52 | JD | Jenson: we have told you how to do it |
| 19:36.53 | dankolb | If it's a FAT partition, you need to mount with an appropriate umask |
| 19:37.08 | resuDaed | should netBSD boot from cd? |
| 19:37.18 | new2unix_away | yep. it should. |
| 19:37.21 | JD | dankolb: I didn;t think it was |
| 19:37.21 | Jenson | I'm stressed, feel like crying for no reason as suaul |
| 19:37.32 | resuDaed | it didn't :-(, maybe I burn another cd |
| 19:37.39 | JD | well tell us which dir do you want to share? |
| 19:37.49 | Jenson | maybe i should boot into Win and rip some CDs |
| 19:37.51 | Jenson | or fix lilo |
| 19:37.54 | JD | and we will help you |
| 19:37.56 | Jenson | or my ide-scsi issues |
| 19:37.59 | A4266 | fix lilo :) |
| 19:38.04 | Jenson | nah its cool it can fucking stay like it |
| 19:38.09 | JD | Jenson: everyone has ide-scsi issues |
| 19:38.12 | new2unix_away | grab hold of the two floppy disks. theyre on ftp.netbsd.org |
| 19:38.13 | JD | I wouldn;t worry about that |
| 19:38.33 | dankolb | I don't have ide-scsi issues |
| 19:38.44 | JD | you lucky bastard |
| 19:38.55 | Jenson | JD: yeh but i cant use my CD-burner or rip MP3s |
| 19:39.00 | dankolb | The RedHat9 machine automatically did it. Otherwise I always used ide-scsi built into the kernel, and turned off IDE CD support |
| 19:39.09 | JD | ide-scsi is the most loath bit of code in the kernel |
| 19:39.14 | Jenson | not that I can remember how to |
| 19:39.25 | dankolb | It's always worked for me |
| 19:39.44 | JD | dankolb: if you use ide-scsi you can't use /dev/hdc |
| 19:39.59 | JD | but if you use hdc you can't use ide-scsi |
| 19:40.05 | dankolb | No, I used /dev/scd0 |
| 19:40.05 | resuDaed | where do netBSD iso's reside |
| 19:40.09 | resuDaed | ? |
| 19:40.10 | new2unix_away | resuDaed: try boot1.fs and boot2.fs from ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/arch/i386/1.4-install/ |
| 19:40.17 | JD | truly fucked uo |
| 19:40.29 | resuDaed | I know that the machine can boot from cd (knoppix boots ok) |
| 19:40.31 | JD | 2.6 should be much saner (and faster) |
| 19:40.35 | new2unix_away | ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/ |
| 19:40.40 | resuDaed | ty |
| 19:41.38 | resuDaed | maybe I shall use this time to disconect the fan on the heatsink |
| 19:42.02 | Jenson | 40 mins.....about 8 MB for me lol |
| 19:42.15 | resuDaed | lol ... 120Mb ish |
| 19:43.19 | dankolb | Fast net connections++ |
| 19:44.40 | new2unix_away | Oh. did i tell you all. got adsl on wednesday. draytek2600 arrived on thursday while i picked up an RJ11 from work on Friday. set it all up on Saturday. The trouble just to d/l 1mb in 16sec. lol |
| 19:45.27 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:48.18 | resuDaed | netBSD cd has booted |
| 19:49.27 | xiaoqi | clyphox sais he'll be on in about 15mins or so.... (just because you are all on the edge of your seats) |
| 19:50.21 | new2unix | resuDaed: dont forget to read the guide: http://new2unix.freeshell.org/netBSD/en/ (thats a mirror on my site) |
| 19:50.25 | dankolb | I'm not. I'm sitting in mine. With my legs on another chair |
| 19:50.54 | Jenson | lol an |
| 19:50.56 | Jenson | Dan |
| 19:50.57 | Jenson | even |
| 19:51.01 | Jenson | fucking cant fucking type |
| 19:51.39 | xiaoqi | you can spell fucking really well though! |
| 19:51.55 | Jenson | yeh sorry |
| 19:51.56 | dankolb | Practice makes perfect |
| 19:51.57 | Jenson | depressed |
| 19:52.01 | Jenson | and tired |
| 19:52.06 | Jenson | and fuck you Dan |
| 19:52.24 | Jenson | and I'm gonna leave before I annoy everyone |
| 19:52.44 | Jenson | Bye bye all |
| 19:52.49 | Jenson | take care |
| 19:52.50 | xiaoqi | bye!! |
| 19:52.55 | dankolb | bye |
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| 19:57.19 | resuDaed | who is xiaoqi (are you actually Clyphox yet?) |
| 19:57.31 | A4266 | no, xiaoqi is Nikki :) |
| 19:57.36 | resuDaed | ah |
| 19:57.46 | xiaoqi | hi |
| 20:00.06 | JD | who is nikki? |
| 20:00.16 | JD | just to ask stupid questions |
| 20:00.21 | dankolb | Clyphox's SO |
| 20:00.22 | resuDaed | equiv of ClyBitch |
| 20:00.29 | JD | ah |
| 20:00.36 | JD | I thought so |
| 20:00.40 | JD | just making sure |
| 20:02.03 | JD | xiaoqi: is just too darn hard to pronounce |
| 20:02.28 | JD | head cold |
| 20:02.38 | JD | I sould be fine tomorrow |
| 20:02.41 | xiaoqi | she-ow chee |
| 20:02.53 | xiaoqi | it's my chinese name |
| 20:02.59 | resuDaed | ibot lart Clyphox and his ability to install NetBSD |
| 20:03.03 | JD | oh |
| 20:03.29 | JD | s/ability/ lack of \1/ |
| 20:03.36 | xiaoqi | clyphox - I got it going |
| 20:03.38 | resuDaed | lol |
| 20:04.07 | resuDaed | I now need to work out wtf I am doing, but I have what I think is a csh prompt |
| 20:04.51 | resuDaed | Chap 4. The First Boot |
| 20:04.52 | JD | most likely |
| 20:04.53 | new2unix_dinner | yep. csh by default :( |
| 20:05.03 | JD | you probably want to replace that with bash striaght away |
| 20:05.04 | resuDaed | how to install zsh? |
| 20:05.19 | JD | cd /usr/sare/ports/shells/zsh? |
| 20:05.22 | JD | or similar |
| 20:05.25 | resuDaed | try and stick to the BSD license for as long as I can |
| 20:05.44 | new2unix_dinner | or pkg_install ftp/path/to/zsh |
| 20:05.50 | resuDaed | grr ... no tab auto-complete :( |
| 20:06.22 | JD | resuDaed: try ctrl-d |
| 20:06.27 | resuDaed | no ports tree either |
| 20:06.37 | resuDaed | that works |
| 20:06.52 | Leeds | csh sucks big donkey shit |
| 20:07.06 | resuDaed | Leeds : agreed on that |
| 20:07.15 | JD | big floppy donkey dick |
| 20:07.39 | resuDaed | that is 'unix power tools' only fault (IMHO) is that it was written for csh with a little bit of bash support here and there |
| 20:08.38 | resuDaed | OOI : has anyone ever set up a vpn involving windoze xp? |
| 20:08.55 | JD | nope, but I'm going to in a few days |
| 20:08.58 | Leeds | pptp? |
| 20:09.06 | JD | well win2k but cloe enough |
| 20:09.08 | JD | ipsec |
| 20:10.29 | Leeds | no idea |
| 20:10.51 | Leeds | we use some cisco thing at work... binary-only client, but it works on Windows, Linux/x86 and Solaris/SPARC (at least) |
| 20:11.27 | JD | xiaoqi-cooking: get cly to do the cooking |
| 20:11.33 | murbLU | JD:w hy? |
| 20:11.44 | murbLU | do you like things not working? |
| 20:11.47 | JD | cos men should do the cooking |
| 20:12.48 | resuDaed | JD : how do I check if the NICs were detected ok? |
| 20:12.52 | JD | murbLU: freeswan i s a pain to setup, requires patching the kernel |
| 20:13.01 | JD | ifconfig? |
| 20:13.05 | JD | dmesg? |
| 20:13.21 | murbLU | JD: whilst 2.5 is just broken? |
| 20:13.35 | resuDaed | s/JD/new2unix |
| 20:13.40 | JD | murbLU: I never siad 2.5 |
| 20:13.48 | dankolb | ifconfig -a |
| 20:13.49 | JD | I said 2.6 |
| 20:14.03 | JD | I was close |
| 20:17.14 | JD | dankolb: does dmesg work in BSD? |
| 20:17.49 | dankolb | I think so, yes |
| 20:18.20 | JD | I should try a BSD again |
| 20:18.25 | JD | just for a laugh |
| 20:20.33 | murbLU | depends on the BSD. |
| 20:21.01 | new2unix_dinner | bye all. |
| 20:22.02 | JD | murbLU: how so? |
| 20:23.24 | xiaoqi | clyphox is too busy playing to cook |
| 20:23.32 | dankolb | Heh |
| 20:23.40 | dankolb | You're too nice to him... |
| 20:24.10 | JD | seems a crap excuse |
| 20:24.21 | xiaoqi | no, I just want food - and not ave to wait till midnight for it |
| 20:25.12 | dankolb | Ah |
| 20:25.25 | JD | but then the linux kernel is improving enough to not need to run a BSD kernel |
| 20:26.26 | JD | plus you have the advantage of hardware support |
| 20:26.42 | resuDaed | what is the command to delete one char in vi? |
| 20:26.43 | dankolb | What if you *want* to run a BSD kernel? |
| 20:26.46 | dankolb | dl |
| 20:26.55 | resuDaed | ty |
| 20:27.01 | JD | x |
| 20:28.12 | JD | resuDaed: install it then |
| 20:29.26 | JD | dankolb: why would I want to run a BSD kernel |
| 20:29.41 | dankolb | Why would you want to run a Linux kernel? |
| 20:29.48 | dankolb | They're different |
| 20:29.56 | dankolb | Why would you want to run a Hurd kernel? |
| 20:30.00 | dankolb | Or a Mach kernel? |
| 20:30.33 | JD | you wouldn;t want to run a hurd kernel atm |
| 20:30.33 | JD | brain dead |
| 20:30.59 | murbLU | dpkg --force-all --purge brain |
| 20:31.17 | dankolb | You might do if you're a developer |
| 20:31.17 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:31.25 | JD | indeed |
| 20:31.40 | JD | it used autoconf to set options |
| 20:31.50 | dankolb | BSD is a nice kernel, apparently. |
| 20:32.02 | JD | --enable-foo-ide-driver --enable-bar-network-driver etc |
| 20:32.05 | dankolb | I'm not much of a kernel person, so can't really talk about technicalities |
| 20:32.06 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:32.21 | JD | it has always been considered a good VM |
| 20:32.31 | JD | but 2.6 may be reaching the same point |
| 20:32.34 | xiaoqi | what's a VM? |
| 20:32.55 | JD | virtual machine |
| 20:32.56 | dankolb | Either Virtual Machine, or Virtual Memory, depending on the context |
| 20:33.24 | JD | hides all the complexity of allocatin memory and such like form processes |
| 20:33.44 | xiaoqi | ah |
| 20:34.07 | JD | and deals with swapping stuff to disk when needed |
| 20:34.29 | JD | closely related is the scheduler which decides which processes to run and when |
| 20:34.30 | xiaoqi | playing N64 |
| 20:34.34 | JD | playing |
| 20:34.39 | xiaoqi | yup |
| 20:34.39 | JD | were you not paying attension earlier |
| 20:34.47 | xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 20:35.54 | dankolb | Lap getting hot? |
| 20:36.01 | JD | just a bit |
| 20:36.17 | dankolb | Heh |
| 20:37.50 | JD | does Net and Open have decent SMP yet? |
| 20:38.01 | dankolb | Open has no SMP |
| 20:38.10 | dankolb | It's not a priority for them |
| 20:39.03 | JD | would make sense |
| 20:39.53 | dankolb | I don't know about Net's SMP |
| 20:40.14 | dankolb | Don't use OpenBSD then. Use FreeBSD isnstead |
| 20:40.18 | JD | well I will once I have brought my second processor |
| 20:40.23 | dankolb | I think the code in FBSD5 is *much* improved |
| 20:40.38 | JD | free also appears to have the most HW support but I can't be sure of that |
| 20:41.01 | dankolb | It's fairly true |
| 20:41.16 | dankolb | But both Net and Open will work for most PCs |
| 20:41.16 | JD | FBSD5 will be released with Duke Nukem Forever |
| 20:41.29 | JD | Net works with toasters |
| 20:41.30 | dankolb | FreeBSD is a release |
| 20:41.35 | dankolb | +5 |
| 20:42.06 | dankolb | "New Technology Release" |
| 20:43.33 | dankolb | Release is the 'stable' branch, which is good for stable production use |
| 20:43.46 | dankolb | Think like Debian stable/unstable |
| 20:44.27 | JD | so current is the development version? |
| 20:44.38 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 20:44.59 | dankolb | Although there's still development being done on the Release versions (4.8 currently) |
| 20:44.59 | JD | they could have picked a better name for it |
| 20:45.06 | JD | current sounds like it is the currently released version |
| 20:45.14 | dankolb | Heh. I guess |
| 20:45.55 | JD | much like there is with linux kernels :) |
| 20:46.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:46.17 | dankolb | It's not quite the difference between 2.4 and 2.5 |
| 20:46.42 | dankolb | 5.0 is a proper release. And can be used in production, if you need the new features |
| 20:46.55 | JD | more like Debian stable? |
| 20:47.01 | JD | oh so no |
| 20:47.28 | JD | more of a testing? |
| 20:48.06 | dankolb | 5.0 ~= testing |
| 20:48.12 | dankolb | 4.8 ~= stable |
| 20:48.41 | JD | and 5.0+ is unstable |
| 20:49.05 | JD | that makes a bit more sense |
| 20:50.54 | dankolb | 5.0+ is basically CVS |
| 20:51.23 | JD | yep |
| 20:56.55 | JD | now there is someone who gets too much pleasure out of showering |
| 20:58.09 | xiaoqi | it depends who they're showering with |
| 20:58.19 | Leeds | or in his case... what |
| 20:58.46 | JD | dirty dirty man |
| 20:58.48 | xiaoqi | there's nothing wrong with playing with a rubber duck... hehehe |
| 20:59.02 | JD | in a shower? |
| 20:59.07 | JD | what is the point of that? |
| 20:59.38 | xiaoqi | i don't have a shower in my flat, so I wouldn't know |
| 21:00.07 | xiaoqi | but I'm sure I could come up with something - like throwing it at clyphox when I got out |
| 21:04.01 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:05.19 | xiaoqi | that laptop must be very hot! |
| 21:05.28 | JD | thin book :( |
| 21:05.57 | JD | nah I have a descrete mathematics book :) |
| 21:05.59 | xiaoqi | its about 2 1/2 inches thich |
| 21:06.12 | xiaoqi | an A level one? |
| 21:06.18 | JD | this is only about 1" |
| 21:06.34 | JD | nah I got it for my degree but never used it |
| 21:06.56 | xiaoqi | ah... |
| 21:07.21 | xiaoqi | did decision and descrete for a level - big textbook |
| 21:11.22 | JD | bloody 2 hour cutoffs |
| 21:14.07 | JD | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0071398775/qid=1052255612/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_0_2/026-9799768-1911633 |
| 21:15.53 | resuDaed | how do I generate host keys for sshd? |
| 21:17.01 | dankolb | ssh-keygen |
| 21:17.18 | Leeds | ibot ssh-keygen |
| 21:17.19 | | ssh-keygen is, like, something you need to run to setup ibot's ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on ibot's ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 21:17.39 | Leeds | hmm... apparently ibot has an ipaq running shhd :-) |
| 21:17.56 | dankolb | And why not? :) |
| 21:18.04 | resuDaed | the type option? |
| 21:18.06 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.31 | JD | debian generates one on package install |
| 21:18.57 | resuDaed | JD : this I know, but I am using netBSD here |
| 21:19.19 | dankolb | BSD generates one on startup |
| 21:19.23 | resuDaed | but I want to have it over ssh on this display |
| 21:19.31 | JD | my point is that netbsd should do a similar thing |
| 21:19.31 | dankolb | NetBSD comes with ssh by default, doesn't it? |
| 21:20.02 | resuDaed | dankolb : it is here ok, but it cannot load the host keys |
| 21:20.31 | dankolb | Ah |
| 21:26.58 | resuDaed | do I need to do anything to enable ssh access more than run the daemon? |
| 21:27.05 | dankolb | Nope |
| 21:27.24 | resuDaed | it wont allow me to log in as root though |
| 21:27.48 | murbLU | is anyone up for another BP Picknick this summer? |
| 21:28.43 | dankolb | 5resJust edit the sshd_config then |
| 21:29.32 | JD | murbLU: what was that? |
| 21:29.51 | JD | resuDaed: AllowRootLogin iirc |
| 21:30.26 | JD | PermitRootLogin yes |
| 21:31.47 | dankolb | If you have some text involving characters that need to be escaped, how can you automatically escape them? |
| 21:31.59 | dankolb | Like, say, you have "blah(foo)" |
| 21:32.11 | dankolb | Make that: "blah\(foo\)" |
| 21:33.29 | JD | 'blah(foo)' |
| 21:33.41 | JD | what language are we talking about here? |
| 21:33.47 | JD | C, perl, shell |
| 21:34.08 | dankolb | Shell |
| 21:34.39 | JD | using single quotes |
| 21:35.03 | dankolb | Hm. I'll try that |
| 21:39.01 | JD | did it work? |
| 21:39.13 | dankolb | Trying to work some other things out first |
| 21:39.15 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:40.46 | dankolb | (believe it or not) |
| 21:41.56 | Leeds | Ever...? |
| 21:42.29 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:42.38 | dankolb | Likewise. Well....all, pretty much |
| 21:43.31 | dankolb | Bah. |
| 21:43.49 | Leeds | aka Real Code [TM] |
| 21:44.08 | dankolb | Real men write in binary |
| 21:45.45 | Leeds | real men write by toggling switches |
| 21:45.53 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:47.13 | murbLU | so nobody wnats to get back to BP? |
| 21:47.48 | dankolb | What's that? |
| 21:48.08 | JD | oh blecthley park |
| 21:48.14 | dankolb | Ooh. When? |
| 21:48.14 | JD | cool my neck of the woods |
| 21:48.26 | JD | better do it soon before they build houses on it |
| 21:48.49 | Leeds | JD: really??? |
| 21:49.11 | Leeds | we should go back in the summer... ideally one weekend when the trains *are* running, if we can find one |
| 21:49.26 | murbLU | Leeds: yeah the womon in charge is a blair establishment fiend and has fucked over all the orignial volenteries allegeedly |
| 21:49.34 | JD | well aiui they want to build houses very close |
| 21:49.40 | murbLU | and has non allegdly banned tony sale from the site. |
| 21:49.47 | Leeds | Tony Sale? |
| 21:49.50 | JD | murbLU: can we have that in english and not murbish? |
| 21:50.07 | murbLU | Leeds: the collosus rebuild guy. |
| 21:50.10 | Leeds | ah! |
| 21:50.21 | murbLU | and the person that basically ran the place for years with his wife. |
| 21:52.14 | Leeds | JD: you know how shit a night I had before that? |
| 21:52.33 | JD | strangely no I don't |
| 21:52.52 | Leeds | yeah... |
| 21:52.59 | Leeds | first thing - no trains... |
| 21:53.10 | Leeds | second thing - car in for MOT, and they kept it over the weekend... |
| 21:53.53 | Leeds | so I had to chase down a lift - ended up with Martin and his dad... |
| 21:54.47 | Leeds | night before, I worked late... very late.. till something like 3:30am |
| 21:54.52 | Leeds | charity coding... |
| 21:55.15 | JD | would make a change for me to not travel very far |
| 21:55.25 | Leeds | anyway... |
| 21:55.38 | Leeds | it was a hot night, so I had the window open in my room, and the light on... |
| 21:55.42 | Leeds | and a wasp came in... |
| 21:56.22 | Leeds | didn't have any spray... tried to swat it... |
| 21:57.04 | Leeds | anyway, long story short - a short while later there were about 7 wasps flying around, getting angry as I tried to swat them and hide in the corner at the same time... |
| 21:57.43 | JD | oh dear |
| 21:57.58 | Leeds | I ended up being chased out of my bedroom by wasps... and then calling a friend at like 5am (the guy I'd been coding with, over Jabber) and begging him to bring me some spray - except he didn't have any... |
| 21:58.50 | Leeds | he ended up getting his wife out of bed (he doesn't drive) and coming and getting me - in old crappy clothes because everything else was in my room - lucky I'd been to the gym so my house-keys were in my gym bag in the living room... |
| 21:59.48 | JD | what about bees? |
| 21:59.58 | Leeds | and me getting 3 or 4 hours sleep in his spare room... then borrowing a chunk of cash, getting a cab to take me to the shops (in crappy t-shirt, PJ bottoms and borrowed shoes - all my shoes are in my room...) to buy spray, then coming home with spray and dousing the entire place in it |
| 22:00.11 | Leeds | don't mind bees quite as much... but don't really like them... |
| 22:00.21 | Leeds | spiders don't bother me - it's flying things... |
| 22:00.33 | JD | flies? |
| 22:01.24 | Leeds | last summer, I had the exterminators out 3 times to get rid of wasps nests... 2 in the eaves above my flat, 1 in the air vent above the window in my room (to stop condensation) and 2 above neighbours flats which I told the the exterminators to do anyway |
| 22:01.51 | Leeds | don't particularly like flies - tend to flinch from them - but not hide in the corner gibbering |
| 22:02.23 | JD | they would settle on you |
| 22:02.26 | Leeds | I still - seriously - have the can of spray by my bed |
| 22:02.43 | JD | you would end up looking like you were wearing black |
| 22:03.18 | Leeds | and the extra bit... when I got back in the morning, I could only find one - dead - wasp... window had been open and I guessed they'd left when it got light out |
| 22:04.28 | Leeds | a couple of weeks after this event... I turned over my flourescent lamp over - it's normally pointing towards the ceiling because it's too bright otherwise |
| 22:04.43 | JD | sheep station, cattle station |
| 22:05.29 | Leeds | and the area around the bulb was crammed full of dead wasps - I think they like it, so they'd got in as close as they could, and died there... |
| 22:05.36 | JD | tent sorrunded by dingos |
| 22:05.39 | Leeds | I think I flew about 3 meters... |
| 22:05.49 | Leeds | ah - we had jackels where I lived in Israel... and wild boars |
| 22:05.57 | Leeds | jackals |
| 22:06.19 | Clyphox | moo |
| 22:06.28 | JD | I knew what you meant |
| 22:06.29 | Clyphox | I have my lappy back |
| 22:06.38 | JD | Clyphox: shame on you |
| 22:07.35 | Leeds | we spent a weekend in the village a few weeks before moving there, so we could see it and what the accommodation was like - the first night we heard the howling under the window was bloody scary... |
| 22:07.52 | Clyphox | JD: Fiance took control |
| 22:08.07 | JD | :) |
| 22:08.40 | JD | Leeds: the scariest night I have every had was at last years Leeds festival |
| 22:08.50 | JD | hmmm riots around your tent |
| 22:09.02 | Leeds | ah, that... a normal Yorkshire night... |
| 22:09.32 | JD | no it wasn't |
| 22:16.07 | JD | hmm I should probably get some sleep soon |
| 22:16.40 | Leeds | me too... just finishing up some work which I should have done this afternoon |
| 22:18.43 | *** join/#gllug Clyphox (~clyphox@195.137.107.7) |
| 22:26.03 | Leeds | ah, of course! piste=track :-) |
| 22:28.55 | JD | Leeds: are you okay? |
| 22:29.03 | JD | you seem to be saying random things now |
| 22:31.07 | JD | okay night all |
| 22:35.14 | Leeds | night |
| 22:35.46 | dankolb | night |
| 23:04.37 | dankolb | Right. Shell script finally seems to work without too much messiness |
| 23:04.47 | dankolb | So I'm off to bed. About 2 hours later than I wanted |
| 23:04.48 | dankolb | nn all |