| 00:08.28 | highbury | till Thursday night, and then Mon-Thu for the next 8 weeks or so :-( |
| 00:09.00 | Leeds | is the wife coping? |
| 00:09.09 | Leeds | or... are you coping without the wife? |
| 00:09.19 | highbury | only just (both of us) |
| 00:09.44 | Leeds | I suppose a man's got to do what a man's got to do... |
| 00:12.02 | highbury | Buffy and Angel have both just perked up |
| 00:12.42 | Leeds | Angel is finished for the year, and official go/no-go for next year is announced tomorrow... |
| 00:12.49 | Leeds | Buffy has this ep, and one more left. ever :-( |
| 00:13.34 | highbury | where from? |
| 00:13.55 | Leeds | usenet, edonkey2000, overnet, bittorrent |
| 00:14.19 | Leeds | latest is bittorrent |
| 00:15.00 | highbury | how fast a download do you get from that? when I last tried it with RedHat, it was very very slow |
| 00:15.10 | Leeds | was getting around 50k/s |
| 00:16.12 | Leeds | was serving at around 30k/s (on 256kbit link) from about 30 seconds into download... am still serving |
| 00:24.37 | Leeds | hmmm... I guess I need to re-encode as MPEG rather than Divx |
| 00:30.57 | highbury | ok time to head off, nite folks |
| 00:43.41 | Clyphox | Does the ipaq struggle with divx? |
| 00:45.04 | Leeds | it has the cycles, I think... but not unoptimised... |
| 00:45.47 | Clyphox | What are cycles? |
| 00:45.58 | Leeds | it's close - it's only a 200MHz processor, without hardware floating-point |
| 00:46.09 | Leeds | processor cycles |
| 00:46.22 | Leeds | 200 million of them per seconds |
| 00:47.03 | Clyphox | Ahh |
| 00:48.09 | Clyphox | I can't get a decent divx to decode on my 266 PII but if the quality/freq/res is low enough I suppose it shouldn't be a problem |
| 00:49.18 | Clyphox | I want to experiement with VideoLAN and see if I can make a server that decodes divx into mpeg and the client just has to worry about decoding mpeg.. mind you its a waste of bandwidth really |
| 00:49.18 | Leeds | MPEG1 is easier |
| 00:49.26 | Clyphox | yup |
| 00:50.17 | Leeds | not when you have lots of bandwidth and a thing client |
| 00:50.20 | Leeds | thin |
| 00:50.52 | Clyphox | Yup. Pity I can't just run it in remote X |
| 00:51.07 | Clyphox | Maybe with a 1Gh hub |
| 06:38.15 | Tarragon | Morning |
| 07:56.40 | dankolb | Morning |
| 08:11.33 | SpudULike | dankolb: Have you heard any 'Milton Jones' on Radio 6? |
| 08:12.24 | SpudULike | Err, Radio 7 I mean. |
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| 08:14.38 | eye69 | SU - |
| 08:33.46 | JD | morning |
| 08:37.28 | dankolb | SpudULike: Nope |
| 08:37.34 | dankolb | Have fun, JD |
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| 08:44.08 | JD | dankolb: you going to don knuth lecture in oxford? |
| 08:44.18 | dankolb | When's that? |
| 08:44.20 | JD | see debian-uk mailing list archives |
| 08:44.28 | JD | 4:30 Oxford Uni |
| 08:44.31 | JD | today |
| 08:44.33 | dankolb | Can't do |
| 08:44.35 | dankolb | Am at work |
| 08:44.46 | JD | silly time for a lecture |
| 08:45.20 | dankolb | A bit |
| 08:45.36 | JD | gotta go catch a train :) |
| 08:46.45 | dankolb | C'ya later |
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| 09:02.31 | derb | Hi guys - I have just downloaded SuSe 8.2 and am about to start installing my first ever Linux installation! |
| 09:03.10 | derb | My PC booted fine with the SuSe "experience" CD so I figure it should work fine but I just have a quick question |
| 09:03.34 | derb | Looking in the boot directory contains a number of possible files: |
| 09:03.35 | derb | Should I burn boot.iso to a CD and use that and ignore bootdisk and the four modules? What about that big root file? Needless to say the instructions only talk about the procedure should I want to boot from floppies... |
| 09:07.05 | dankolb | Probably - the boot.iso is probably usable instead of floppy disks |
| 09:08.21 | derb | what about the big root file also in the boot directory? |
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| 09:17.24 | derb | Do I need to worry about copying that or will the installer take over from there? |
| 09:20.10 | dankolb | I'm not sure - I've only ever used boxed SuSE sets |
| 09:30.46 | dankolb | Is there a README file somewhere with directions as to what to do? |
| 09:42.05 | derb | the readme only talks about how to do it from floppies. Oh well - I'll just wing it! |
| 09:42.41 | derb | thanks anyway - I am sure I'll be back with more clueless newbie questions in due course... |
| 09:43.03 | dankolb | Okay :) |
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| 09:59.39 | SPQR | g'day |
| 11:08.27 | Xiaoqi | hola |
| 11:08.40 | SPQR | 'allo |
| 11:08.49 | Xiaoqi | how is u? |
| 11:09.33 | SPQR | ust oin the phont at the mo :/ |
| 11:11.34 | SPQR | *just on the phone |
| 11:11.54 | SPQR | back now for a few secs |
| 11:11.59 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 11:12.11 | Xiaoqi | I'm eating breakfast |
| 11:12.33 | SPQR | at this of the time day :P |
| 11:12.44 | Xiaoqi | yup - only just got up ;-p |
| 11:12.50 | SPQR | its stilol to early :P |
| 11:12.57 | Xiaoqi | very true |
| 11:13.00 | Xiaoqi | ! |
| 11:13.09 | Xiaoqi | David has an interview today |
| 11:13.39 | SPQR | cool :) that the 1 for safeway |
| 11:13.45 | Xiaoqi | yup |
| 11:14.04 | Xiaoqi | not very technical or fulfilling, but it pays |
| 11:15.37 | Clyphox | hola hola! |
| 11:16.42 | Xiaoqi | speak of the devil... |
| 11:18.57 | SPQR | lol |
| 11:19.02 | SPQR | hello devil |
| 11:19.13 | SPQR | ibot lart Clyphox |
| 11:21.32 | SPQR | brb, back to work |
| 11:52.12 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: why grrr? |
| 11:53.28 | dankolb | Blah |
| 11:54.00 | Xiaoqi | hey dankolb |
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| 11:55.21 | dankolb | Hi |
| 11:59.25 | Xiaoqi | hows u? |
| 12:04.19 | SPQR | just felt like it :) |
| 12:05.35 | dankolb | I'm okay |
| 12:05.49 | dankolb | Hungry |
| 12:07.51 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: food i hope, not the people... |
| 12:07.57 | dankolb | Are they in season? |
| 12:10.23 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 12:11.47 | SPQR | dankolb : Yup, they are till august ;) |
| 12:12.45 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: how do you plan on catching them? |
| 12:14.01 | SPQR | I was planning on haviing fun today and using a giant fishing net dropped from a helicopter. |
| 12:14.26 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: hmm... sounds interesting |
| 12:14.39 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: but what if you get into trouble? |
| 12:15.05 | SPQR | Xiaoqi : What trouble? They're in season :P |
| 12:15.56 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: didn't know you could drive |
| 12:16.36 | SPQR | I can, but not well. I'll get Grace to drive for me :P |
| 12:17.49 | SPQR | brb. Hunting time :P |
| 12:22.45 | SPQR|hunting | -/nick SPQR |
| 12:22.52 | SPQR | grr |
| 12:22.55 | dankolb | Heh |
| 12:23.09 | SPQR | Damn hunting grounds are closed on tuesdays.... }-[ |
| 12:23.16 | dankolb | Aw well |
| 12:23.48 | SPQR | I'll get me a few injun's tomorrow!! |
| 12:24.02 | dankolb | :) |
| 12:36.13 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:13.41 | Tarragon | Rebooting machine just brings up the Grub loader - What should I do next? |
| 13:13.55 | dankolb | Press EnteR? |
| 13:14.17 | Tarragon | just brings back the grub cursor |
| 13:14.33 | dankolb | Hm |
| 13:30.34 | dankolb | Use lilo :) |
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| 14:02.08 | dankolb | Hi NisoDaemon |
| 14:02.12 | NisoDaemon | Hi Dan |
| 14:02.18 | NisoDaemon | Prepared for your talk? ;) |
| 14:02.23 | dankolb | Almost :) |
| 14:02.32 | dankolb | Bah. Word spreads too quickly |
| 14:02.38 | NisoDaemon | Well as its the later one i'll actually be up and in their for it :) |
| 14:02.57 | NisoDaemon | I end up crawling late into the first talk... |
| 14:03.10 | dankolb | Bwah :-P |
| 14:03.27 | NisoDaemon | I actually came on line with a quesion, any debian users in here? |
| 14:04.06 | NisoDaemon | Maybe its time to switch back to red hat then ;) |
| 14:04.10 | dankolb | Yes |
| 14:05.05 | NisoDaemon | Do you know which magic file apache is supposed to use under it? Its looking for /etc/apache/share/magic and not finding it. I do however have /etc/magic and /usr/share/misc/magic. |
| 14:05.11 | NisoDaemon | Buggered if i know which one to give it |
| 14:06.10 | dankolb | One or the other? |
| 14:07.02 | NisoDaemon | Do you reckon it matters? |
| 14:07.13 | dankolb | Depends on the contents |
| 14:07.13 | NisoDaemon | They look the same format |
| 14:07.31 | NisoDaemon | Hang on, i lied |
| 14:07.34 | dankolb | diff them? |
| 14:07.38 | dankolb | DIFF THEM! |
| 14:07.41 | NisoDaemon | They look the same for the first couple of dozen lines |
| 14:07.48 | NisoDaemon | Did, loads diffs |
| 14:07.54 | NisoDaemon | loadsa differences even |
| 14:08.15 | NisoDaemon | Google shows a lot of people asking the question and the answe being to install apache-ssl :) |
| 14:08.36 | dankolb | Ah right |
| 14:08.37 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:08.44 | NisoDaemon | You googling?> ;) |
| 14:08.49 | dankolb | No :) |
| 14:08.56 | dankolb | ibot google for debian apache magic |
| 14:09.30 | NisoDaemon | Didn't know ibot did that |
| 14:09.40 | dankolb | Now you do :) |
| 14:09.44 | dankolb | See, IRC *is* educational |
| 14:10.20 | NisoDaemon | I'd like to see that argument on my boss ;) |
| 14:10.30 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:11.14 | NisoDaemon | Most of those links look familair and none have an answer. |
| 14:11.21 | NisoDaemon | MIght have to go have a look at the debian bugzilla |
| 14:11.40 | dankolb | Use RedHat? |
| 14:12.20 | NisoDaemon | At work i do |
| 14:12.29 | NisoDaemon | And none of those boxes have a /etc/apache/share/magic either |
| 14:12.48 | NisoDaemon | So i can change the directives in httpd.conf but which one should i point it at ;) |
| 14:13.03 | dankolb | grep magic /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf |
| 14:13.05 | dankolb | ... |
| 14:13.10 | dankolb | <IfModule mod_mime_magic.c> |
| 14:13.10 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.21 | NisoDaemon | None of our redhat boxes have appache, we run (Gasp) IIS at the front |
| 14:13.22 | dankolb | $ ls /etc/httpd/conf/magic |
| 14:13.23 | dankolb | /etc/httpd/conf/magic |
| 14:13.27 | dankolb | Heh |
| 14:13.40 | NisoDaemon | Not my worry, we have a windows guy patch them ;) |
| 14:13.50 | NisoDaemon | Do you have a /etc/apache/share/magic on redhat then? |
| 14:13.57 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.30 | NisoDaemon | HUmmmm cuirois |
| 14:15.10 | NisoDaemon | Nope thats not present on any of mine so they've not been touched by the hand of apache |
| 14:15.39 | dankolb | Ah well |
| 14:15.49 | NisoDaemon | Can you head the first couple of lines please? |
| 14:15.55 | NisoDaemon | Wonder if thats the one from the file package |
| 14:16.08 | dankolb | $ head /etc/httpd/conf/magic |
| 14:16.08 | dankolb | # Magic data for mod_mime_magic Apache module (originally for file(1) command) |
| 14:16.08 | dankolb | # The module is described in htdocs/manual/mod/mod_mime_magic.html |
| 14:16.08 | dankolb | # |
| 14:16.08 | dankolb | # The format is 4-5 columns: |
| 14:16.10 | dankolb | # Column #1: byte number to begin checking from, ">" indicates continuation |
| 14:16.13 | dankolb | # Column #2: type of data to match |
| 14:16.16 | dankolb | # Column #3: contents of data to match |
| 14:16.18 | dankolb | # Column #4: MIME type of result |
| 14:16.21 | dankolb | # Column #5: MIME encoding of result (optional) |
| 14:17.44 | NisoDaemon | Bugger. different, well that was a long shot. |
| 14:17.53 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 14:17.55 | NisoDaemon | Right away top Debian for me, thanks anyhow and goodluck for Saturday |
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| 16:43.40 | dankolb | Hi zach |
| 16:43.54 | zachary | hi dan, howz it? |
| 16:44.11 | dankolb | It's going okay - slowly getting my talk done |
| 16:46.55 | dankolb | I'll be back later - going home now. Can I talk to you a bit later about your talk? |
| 16:51.56 | zachary | I've been going threw old notes and resources on the internet. I've forgotten alot of stuff over the last few years from not using it. |
| 16:52.11 | zachary | Hurt my wrist last week. (don't know exactly how.) |
| 16:52.15 | zachary | brb, daughter is awake |
| 16:52.19 | zachary | sure |
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| 17:24.12 | dankolb | back |
| 17:48.44 | zachary | dankolb: ouch! |
| 17:52.40 | dankolb | The network diagram you showed me a few days ago - are you going to stick with that in your talk, or do you have an updated one? |
| 18:00.11 | zachary | I'm cooking dinner... I haven't changed the diagram yet. Unless their is something you want differant. |
| 18:22.48 | Xiaoqi | good evening all!! |
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| 18:23.46 | derb | Hey it is stupid newbie time again... |
| 18:24.20 | derb | I have just downloaded SUSE 8.2 and made a boot CD. I have all the files on my drive D: |
| 18:24.29 | Xiaoqi | derb: well, I'll a stupid newbie as well, and so i wont be much help |
| 18:24.58 | derb | Having booted from my CD I am being asked what hard disk partition the files are on |
| 18:25.14 | Xiaoqi | hmm... not useful |
| 18:25.17 | derb | I don't know what to tell it. Do I use the DOS path? |
| 18:25.24 | derb | Seems unlikely |
| 18:25.35 | derb | Anyone else there and can help? |
| 18:26.11 | Xiaoqi | my friend Clyphox says to ask in room #suse and they should help you |
| 18:26.32 | derb | Ah! Good plan... ;-) |
| 18:26.43 | Xiaoqi | i hope you find out!! |
| 18:30.26 | dankolb | zachary: Well, I'll work out some ruleset for your firewall |
| 18:30.33 | dankolb | *your network |
| 18:31.36 | dankolb | Is D: a second hard drive? |
| 18:31.40 | dankolb | Or just a second partition? |
| 18:36.54 | Xiaoqi | hey dan! |
| 18:37.20 | dankolb | Hey |
| 18:42.43 | derb | D is a second partition on the same drive |
| 18:44.28 | dankolb | Okay - is it primary or extended? |
| 18:44.28 | derb | #SUSE suggests I should have done an FTP install instead of downloading all the files and trying to install from my HD |
| 18:44.31 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:46.20 | derb | dunno what you mean by that |
| 18:47.03 | dankolb | Ah |
| 18:49.16 | derb | Think I might just try the FTP install after my exams are over. |
| 18:49.47 | derb | ciao, folks |
| 18:50.04 | dankolb | C'ya |
| 18:50.25 | Xiaoqi | bye |
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| 18:53.27 | Jenson | Good evening |
| 18:53.31 | Xiaoqi | hey Jenson |
| 18:53.40 | Jenson | heya Nik, how you doing girl? |
| 18:53.56 | Xiaoqi | ok... tired, but ok |
| 18:53.58 | Xiaoqi | u? |
| 18:54.11 | Jenson | cold, this house is freezing, but I'm ok |
| 18:54.37 | Xiaoqi | why don't u turn the heating on? or put on a blanket? |
| 18:55.31 | Jenson | my dad decided about 2 weeks ago he wasnt paying anymore heating bills til winter, and he's not cold so he won'tput the heating on |
| 18:55.41 | Jenson | I've put another jumper on now, so it's not so cold |
| 18:56.18 | Xiaoqi | you could always invest in a mobile heater thingee... |
| 18:56.27 | Xiaoqi | they're quite good |
| 18:56.32 | Xiaoqi | heya alex |
| 18:56.39 | A4266 | heya Beks :) |
| 18:56.41 | Jenson | lol nah i'm alright |
| 18:56.43 | Jenson | heya Al |
| 18:56.46 | A4266 | Hy Nikki :) |
| 18:56.53 | A4266 | *hey |
| 18:58.35 | Jenson | yay my amazon stuff should be here tomorrow |
| 18:58.49 | Xiaoqi | cool... what r u getting? |
| 18:59.40 | Jenson | 3 books...Cut, Prozac Nation and Teach Yourself: Afrikaans (i blame you for that, you were talking bout it whilst i was shopping lol) |
| 19:00.15 | Xiaoqi | well at least it will be useful for when you are round at the starks |
| 19:00.21 | Jenson | :) |
| 19:00.25 | A4266 | lol |
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| 19:00.28 | dankolb | wb |
| 19:00.37 | Xiaoqi | hi |
| 19:00.44 | Jenson | wb zachary |
| 19:00.45 | A4266 | hey zachary |
| 19:00.49 | Jenson | heya dankolb |
| 19:00.59 | zachary | ty |
| 19:01.07 | Jenson | A4266: Nah, that would be embarrassing |
| 19:01.44 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: why would it be embarrassing? |
| 19:01.59 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: dont u need to learn pronunciation etc? |
| 19:02.15 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: Well, yeah, but I'd make a prat of myself |
| 19:02.19 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: besides, the point of learning would be to talk to him |
| 19:02.43 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: that's half the fun - they are very nice tutors!! |
| 19:02.46 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: Me and Al use irc even if we're in the same room don't we Al |
| 19:03.04 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: Depends what they're teaching ya :P |
| 19:03.10 | A4266 | lol. Ya :P |
| 19:03.24 | A4266 | though we do have to fight over the keyboard.. |
| 19:03.31 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: stay on subject - languages |
| 19:03.34 | Jenson | true lol |
| 19:03.38 | Jenson | or the mouse settings |
| 19:03.59 | Jenson | heh |
| 19:04.13 | A4266 | lol |
| 19:06.03 | dankolb | Grrr. Evil scratched records |
| 19:06.10 | Jenson | Is Clyphox left handed too? |
| 19:06.30 | Jenson | dankolb: Records are a pain |
| 19:06.31 | Xiaoqi | nope... not that i know of |
| 19:06.40 | dankolb | I have a scratched CD, too |
| 19:06.43 | dankolb | It's worse |
| 19:06.46 | A4266 | he's right handed : |
| 19:06.49 | Jenson | true |
| 19:06.50 | A4266 | *:) |
| 19:06.57 | Jenson | scratched CDs are a bastard |
| 19:07.05 | Xiaoqi | at least scratched records still play a bit |
| 19:07.30 | Jenson | we dont own a record deck anymore |
| 19:07.36 | dankolb | True, and I just need to tap my player to get it to continue |
| 19:08.20 | Xiaoqi | which is fine as long as you're not at the other end of the flat |
| 19:08.30 | dankolb | It's right in front of me |
| 19:08.36 | Jenson | lol |
| 19:09.24 | A4266 | I think that means ya cd isn't tooo badly scratched :) |
| 19:09.29 | Xiaoqi | that makes it easier then |
| 19:10.57 | A4266 | grr. I don't feel so good :/ |
| 19:11.16 | Jenson | awww |
| 19:11.37 | dankolb | Record player, not CD player |
| 19:11.43 | Jenson | I have no sympathy then |
| 19:11.44 | A4266 | that and the fact I've been driving today... |
| 19:12.23 | A4266 | :( |
| 19:13.01 | Xiaoqi | A4266: you and your brother are very alike |
| 19:13.12 | Jenson | Bloody FTP murdering my bandwidth |
| 19:13.19 | Xiaoqi | he is a yogurt maniac |
| 19:13.38 | Xiaoqi | ibot: lart FTP |
| 19:13.51 | Jenson | lol cheers Nk |
| 19:13.57 | Jenson | s/Nk/Nik |
| 19:13.59 | A4266 | lol |
| 19:14.11 | A4266 | what ya fyp'ing? |
| 19:14.24 | A4266 | s/fyp/ftp |
| 19:14.32 | Jenson | KMFDM |
| 19:14.56 | A4266 | cool :) Which 1? |
| 19:15.04 | Jenson | Oh BTW, I got my Q3A disc back today |
| 19:15.11 | Jenson | A4266: All of the stuff you have, eventually |
| 19:15.38 | A4266 | hehe :) there's a lot of stuff to dl!!! |
| 19:15.47 | A4266 | Yay, bring it along this weekend? |
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| 19:16.01 | CyrilB | Hi |
| 19:16.03 | Jenson | Can do |
| 19:16.17 | dankolb | Hi CyrilB |
| 19:16.31 | Jenson | I'll find the proper box for it too, so we have the CDkey |
| 19:16.34 | Jenson | heya CyrilB |
| 19:16.55 | A4266 | heya CyrilB |
| 19:18.17 | CyrilB | I'd like to register a .co.uk domain, according to what I understood, I'm forced to buy it to Nominet ? |
| 19:18.25 | CyrilB | And it costs 80 pounds! |
| 19:18.55 | dankolb | No |
| 19:19.02 | dankolb | go through someone else where it costs about £10 |
| 19:19.03 | A4266 | have you tried buying it through other ppl? Like www.uk2.net (not reccomended and a domain host) |
| 19:19.25 | dankolb | Nominet only want to deal with their own resellers, which is why they charge so much for a .co.uk |
| 19:19.53 | Jenson | CyrilB: Try Lycos. I was gonna buy one there |
| 19:19.53 | CyrilB | dankolb: I see |
| 19:19.59 | Jenson | Then decided I didn't need one |
| 19:20.04 | CyrilB | A4266: I'm gonna check uk2 |
| 19:20.13 | CyrilB | Jenson: and lycos too |
| 19:20.17 | CyrilB | thanks |
| 19:20.30 | A4266 | np |
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| 19:44.07 | A4266_ | hmm... |
| 19:44.09 | A4266_ | back though |
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| 19:46.37 | zachary | wb dankolb |
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| 19:47.03 | dankolb | Thanks |
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| 19:47.33 | dankolb | This network is really quite screwed |
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| 19:47.40 | Jenson | yay found yall |
| 19:48.00 | Jenson | dont ever leave me on a channel with Al ever again lol |
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| 19:48.10 | A4266 | wb all |
| 19:48.16 | A4266 | lol |
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| 19:48.22 | Xiaoqi | hello every1 |
| 19:48.31 | dankolb | Hi |
| 19:48.34 | Xiaoqi | what is going on with netsplit? |
| 19:48.39 | A4266 | heya nikki |
| 19:48.45 | Xiaoqi | hi A4266 |
| 19:48.49 | Jenson | the network is really screwed lately |
| 19:48.50 | A4266 | they must be having major probs... |
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| 19:49.15 | Xiaoqi | it's chucking people over the entire network thingee |
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| 19:50.07 | dankolb | Are we all back now? |
| 19:50.14 | Jenson | i hope so |
| 19:50.16 | Jenson | it looks like it |
| 19:50.31 | Jenson | When it split I was left by myself lol |
| 19:50.43 | Xiaoqi | I never had to go... na na nana na |
| 19:52.03 | A4266 | I didn't even know about the split till I had to reconnect |
| 19:52.15 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 19:52.26 | Xiaoqi | i was just watching all the names coming and going |
| 19:53.39 | Jenson | Well I'm off for a bit. BBL |
| 19:53.48 | Xiaoqi | bye |
| 19:53.56 | Jenson | cya Xiaoqi |
| 19:56.52 | A4266 | any1 else get the msg from the freenode staff to say why they went down? |
| 19:57.20 | dankolb | Yes |
| 19:57.35 | eye69 | Yep |
| 19:58.38 | dankolb | It was a Global Notice |
| 20:03.54 | Xiaoqi | hehe... they're funny |
| 20:04.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:23.03 | Clyphox | Howzit. |
| 20:24.31 | dankolb | Whazzap |
| 21:06.22 | Clyphox | Anyone got a doom port to recommend? |
| 21:06.42 | dankolb | Mh? |
| 21:10.19 | dankolb | Port to what? |
| 21:11.21 | Clyphox | dankolb: anything nix(ish) |
| 21:13.14 | dankolb | Irix? |
| 21:13.58 | Clyphox | dankolb: I'm gonna try to run a doom server for LUG ppl to play on |
| 21:14.13 | dankolb | Oooh |
| 21:14.51 | Clyphox | I am gonna train Nikki up.. :-) |
| 21:15.46 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:17.00 | Clyphox | So what you think? prdoom/legacy? |
| 21:17.09 | dankolb | Legacy only runs on IPX |
| 21:19.38 | Clyphox | Ahh.. effort |
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| 21:44.20 | Xiaoqi | hola all |
| 21:44.37 | dankolb | Hi |
| 21:44.53 | Xiaoqi | david has just gone to get me dinner |
| 21:44.54 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 21:45.06 | dankolb | You're conditioning him |
| 21:45.23 | dankolb | Before you know it, he'll be domesticated |
| 21:45.38 | Xiaoqi | yeah... it only took 2 hours to move him this time, hehehe |
| 21:45.51 | Xiaoqi | he wants me to fight on doom |
| 21:49.37 | highbury | hide food around the house so he can pretend they're power-packs |
| 21:50.41 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 21:52.58 | Xiaoqi | couldn't hide it, he has a radar for food |
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| 21:54.06 | JD | hi all |
| 21:54.23 | Xiaoqi | hiya |
| 21:56.19 | zachary | I'm off to bed good night. |
| 21:56.52 | dankolb | 'night zachary |
| 21:57.32 | JD | see you in a sec |
| 22:07.18 | Xiaoqi | goodnight all |
| 22:07.30 | dankolb | night |
| 22:10.37 | Clyphox | moo |
| 22:10.46 | highbury | baa |
| 22:11.53 | dankolb | woof |
| 22:12.21 | Clyphox | So hows life? |
| 22:13.55 | dankolb | I don't like writing talks, I've decided. |
| 22:14.52 | Clyphox | Makes sense.. I normally talk talks |
| 22:14.57 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:16.21 | Clyphox | I'm really really craving tomb raider3 |
| 22:16.27 | dankolb | Heh |
| 22:16.58 | Clyphox | Can't seam to download it :-( |
| 22:17.38 | highbury | I write notes and crib-sheets, then improvise the talks |
| 22:17.59 | highbury | will you be able to give us a rundown on OpenBSD then dan? |
| 22:18.45 | Clyphox | Just talk about ALTQ heehee |
| 22:18.47 | dankolb | On the packet filter. |
| 22:19.02 | dankolb | Not on the OS in general - there's way too much to cover |
| 22:23.25 | highbury | just a real brief overview or history would be nice, to help get people interested.. |
| 22:23.59 | dankolb | I've got a potted history, but mostly relating to packet filter |
| 22:24.05 | highbury | or maybe a comparision against iptables, i.e. why is pf better |
| 22:24.16 | Clyphox | I belive GLLLUG should become GLOSSUG |
| 22:24.29 | dankolb | (i.e. when OpenBSD was first released, when Theo ripped out ipf, etc.) |
| 22:24.39 | dankolb | I don't really know iptables well enough to give a decent comparison |
| 22:25.04 | Clyphox | sane syntax! |
| 22:25.20 | dankolb | Well, yeah :) Maybe I'll do some googling about it |
| 22:25.35 | Clyphox | Don't forget to Mention that Theo is South African |
| 22:25.49 | dankolb | Heh... |
| 22:27.04 | Clyphox | Damn I really love the netbsd ports tree |
| 22:27.19 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:27.25 | Clyphox | I'm gonna make my own mini ports tree from it.. just for programs I use |
| 22:27.45 | Clyphox | its so easy to understand.. even for a sucky geeks like me |
| 22:27.52 | dankolb | Heh. |
| 22:28.02 | highbury | whoop! Just seen the Combo CDRW/DVD drive I want is available :-) |
| 22:28.24 | dankolb | I'll avoid putting every detail in. I will mention it, though, and direct people to look at documentation |
| 22:29.26 | highbury | gotta wander off for a while, back later |
| 22:29.29 | dankolb | C'ya later |
| 22:29.35 | highbury | good luck dan |
| 22:30.26 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 22:32.35 | Tarragon | Don't forget some of us get to heckle. |
| 22:33.15 | dankolb | Oh no you don't |
| 22:33.30 | dankolb | I'll buy you a beer if you don't heckle :) |
| 22:33.42 | Tarragon | Oh yes we do.... Behind you^H^H^H^H BEER! Done |
| 22:34.32 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:50.15 | SpudUAway | Anyone familiar with GRUB shell? |
| 22:50.47 | dankolb | not me |
| 23:00.12 | dankolb | 'night all |
| 23:00.30 | SpudUAway | Night. |
| 23:23.52 | JD | hi all |
| 23:24.10 | JD | SpudUAway: I could possibly help |
| 23:24.29 | SpudUAway | Ah, good |
| 23:24.57 | SpudUAway | I have a machine that, on booting, just leaves me in the GRUB shell. |
| 23:25.12 | SpudUAway | I don't really know what to do from there. |
| 23:25.19 | JD | right you need a root/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:25.27 | JD | where root is the grub root |
| 23:25.42 | JD | probably /boot/grub/menu.lts |
| 23:25.45 | SpudUAway | I've figured a bit out. It understanding the format/ |
| 23:25.45 | JD | lst |
| 23:26.46 | JD | you want a title stanza |
| 23:26.50 | JD | with a title |
| 23:27.00 | JD | and then a list of commands to boot your kernel |
| 23:27.22 | SpudUAway | But how do I get the .lts file in the /boot/ dir? |
| 23:27.33 | SpudUAway | I can't get the machine up. |
| 23:27.54 | JD | you haven;t booted the machine? |
| 23:28.01 | JD | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.2.20 |
| 23:28.02 | JD | root (hd0,0) |
| 23:28.02 | JD | kernel /vmlinuz-2.2.20 root=/dev/hda2 ro devfs=mount |
| 23:28.02 | JD | savedefault |
| 23:28.02 | JD | boot |
| 23:28.23 | JD | are you at the grub shell now? |
| 23:28.24 | SpudUAway | The machine used to boot, it was reset today and now won't go any further than this GRUB shell |
| 23:28.32 | JD | right |
| 23:28.50 | JD | do you know which partition the kernel is on? |
| 23:29.19 | JD | fortunately grub has tab-completion |
| 23:29.43 | JD | start with a root command |
| 23:29.59 | SpudUAway | Yes, I've figured out how to load the kernel (hd0,0). I was struggling with finding how I pass the root parameters. I think you have given me a clue. |
| 23:30.04 | JD | in the example above (hd0,0) is hda1 |
| 23:30.31 | JD | root tels grub where to look for stuff |
| 23:30.54 | JD | then kernel tells grub what kernel you want and whoch parameters to pass |
| 23:30.56 | JD | and then run boot |
| 23:31.25 | JD | does it need an initrd? |
| 23:31.40 | SpudUAway | I've set root 'root (hd0,0), then I've loaded the kernel 'kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz' then tried reboot, but I get a kernel panic. |
| 23:32.28 | SpudUAway | Do I just continue to pass the root=/... on the 'kernel' command? |
| 23:34.09 | JD | yep |
| 23:34.25 | JD | where root= the device that is / |
| 23:34.43 | JD | I asume it panics saying can't mount root |
| 23:35.56 | SpudUAway | Yes, because I couldn't see where to pass it. |
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| 23:36.25 | JD | hi stig |
| 23:36.30 | SpudUAway | root was on (hd0,0) so I pass root=/dev/hda1 ??? |
| 23:36.40 | JD | we were talking about you earlier :) |
| 23:36.41 | skugg | hi jd (and others) |
| 23:36.51 | skugg | JD, you were? |
| 23:37.07 | JD | SpudUAway: depends if you have a separate /boot partition |
| 23:37.17 | JD | skugg: in pub with SpyPigeon |
| 23:37.23 | JD | talking about lonix meeting |
| 23:37.33 | skugg | i see. what occasion whas this? |
| 23:37.35 | skugg | :) |
| 23:37.41 | skugg | just casual meet? |
| 23:37.57 | JD | SpudUAway: I have /boot on /dev/hda1 and / on .dev.hda3 |
| 23:38.03 | skugg | the lonix last thursday hit an all-time low for the venue. |
| 23:38.05 | JD | skugg: I was in london today |
| 23:38.17 | JD | gave steve a call and asked if he wanted to go for a drink |
| 23:38.26 | JD | so he was saying :) |
| 23:38.26 | skugg | oh. i see. |
| 23:38.50 | JD | SpudUAway: hence the options in the above example |
| 23:38.54 | skugg | oops. |
| 23:39.22 | skugg | 5 years of "it's Walky!" |
| 23:39.44 | skugg | and i have a deadline tomorrow, for a coursework i've not started yet. |
| 23:39.49 | skugg | fuck. |
| 23:39.54 | JD | similar here |
| 23:40.19 | skugg | on what? |
| 23:40.20 | JD | meant to start yesterday, but got DVD drive so played with that |
| 23:40.35 | JD | was going to do stuff today, but met SpyPigeon in london |
| 23:40.52 | JD | the neo-classical view of the free-market system |
| 23:41.04 | JD | have a parsih council meeting tomorrow |
| 23:41.10 | JD | Bedslug on Thursday |
| 23:41.16 | JD | pub on Friday |
| 23:41.30 | skugg | gllug on sat? |
| 23:41.34 | JD | OU stuff on Saturday during the day and hten meeting some geeks ina pub |
| 23:41.47 | skugg | nice programme. |
| 23:41.57 | JD | so I have Sunday to write the stuff and I have to go to work on Monday so I won;t get much done then |
| 23:42.16 | JD | but at least I have read the material now |
| 23:42.31 | skugg | heh ;) |
| 23:42.46 | skugg | then you've got time to ponder on it until sunday, when you write it. |
| 23:42.50 | skugg | great stuff. |
| 23:43.07 | skugg | i've got to write an intelligent agent and a report about it till tomorrow. |
| 23:44.27 | JD | /kick skugg go do your coursework :) |
| 23:44.57 | JD | /kickban skugg :) |
| 23:45.42 | skugg | oh well. guess i'll scram now. maybe i get some incentive to do stuff after a bit of sleep? :P |
| 23:46.36 | skugg | night night... |
| 23:48.12 | JD | SpudUAway: you booted yet? |
| 23:49.03 | SpudUAway | Got much further, thanks. Now it is finding some file corruption that it can't fix. The partition is going to be #Reiser |
| 23:49.49 | SpudUAway | It asks for the root password but won't accept what I know to be the root password. Very frustrating. |
| 23:50.08 | JD | boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 23:50.33 | SpudUAway | Extra to all the other stuff or replacing some of it? |
| 23:50.43 | JD | add to |
| 23:51.04 | JD | you will need the root= to find /bin/sh :) |
| 23:51.32 | JD | brb |
| 23:52.23 | SpudUAway | Ah, got shell! |