| 00:40.46 | murble | oh i forgot you went back to the norhten waste lands? |
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| 06:31.46 | JD | hi all |
| 06:31.50 | JD | anyone up yet? |
| 07:01.13 | murble | yep |
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| 07:59.15 | murble | morning jenson? |
| 07:59.32 | jenson | morning |
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| 08:08.58 | zachary | moin |
| 08:10.53 | jenson | hiya |
| 08:21.45 | dankolb | Mornin |
| 08:27.20 | zachary | dankolb: Ever tried sshfs? |
| 08:29.24 | dankolb | I haven't, no |
| 08:33.05 | Jenson|Away | well good morning evryone, i gotta go now, trains to catch |
| 08:33.08 | Jenson|Away | cyas |
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| 08:34.00 | SPQR | momnin' |
| 08:34.27 | dankolb | Hi. |
| 08:34.35 | dankolb | Was Jenson with you this weekend? |
| 08:34.44 | SPQR | yup |
| 08:35.10 | dankolb | Had fun? |
| 08:35.44 | SPQR | wasn't bad thx :) went to the fair a few times this weekend :) |
| 08:35.48 | dankolb | That's good :) |
| 08:38.39 | SPQR | she's acctualy on her way home right now :) |
| 08:38.56 | dankolb | Yeah. She disconnected from IRC just before you came online |
| 08:39.08 | SPQR | ahh. cool |
| 08:39.43 | SPQR | just spoken to her on the phone. she's on her way to the train station right now |
| 08:40.40 | SPQR | anyway, how was yor weekend? |
| 08:47.44 | dankolb | Cool. My weekend was good. |
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| 09:22.21 | eye69 | Morning. |
| 10:35.08 | zachary | bbl |
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| 10:36.45 | dankolb | Hi formi |
| 10:37.01 | dankolb | http://eco.li/talks/pf_gllug_200305.pdf |
| 10:37.06 | formi | hello |
| 10:37.34 | formi | anybody has a clue about what a "tacho vehicle" is? |
| 10:41.33 | dankolb | Nope |
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| 11:55.30 | SPQR | 'lo |
| 11:56.15 | formi | hi |
| 11:56.31 | SPQR | hey formi |
| 11:56.31 | formi | are you on by cable? |
| 12:06.53 | SPQR | how do ya mean? |
| 12:07.16 | formi | blueyonder |
| 12:07.26 | SPQR | ya, I am :) |
| 12:07.45 | SPQR | both at work and at home |
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| 12:26.59 | SPQR | grrr. any1 know the command to unignore some1? |
| 12:27.09 | SPQR | in Bitchx that is |
| 12:29.38 | skugg | SPQR, is it not /unignore? try /ignore - <someone> |
| 12:30.44 | SPQR | cheers :) |
| 12:30.52 | formi | <formi> 2 10.171.0.1 (10.171.0.1) 11.321 ms 11.500 ms 15.849 ms |
| 12:30.53 | formi | <formi> 3 gsr01-ca.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.144.161) 15.484 ms 16.915 ms 11.228 ms |
| 12:31.26 | formi | do any of you know if i can find out if those to ips are in the machine? |
| 12:36.49 | murble | formi: what is the problem? |
| 12:37.14 | formi | the second hop in the traceroute |
| 12:37.55 | murble | that is rfc1918 space, nothing wrong with its usage in this case. |
| 12:38.54 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.21 | formi | that is my router, so that would be the 2nd hop, no? |
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| 12:41.49 | murble | why would you be having an option routers? |
| 12:42.05 | murble | 10.171.0.1 might be an interface on your cablemodem. |
| 12:42.32 | murble | is the first hop you? |
| 12:43.28 | formi | murble: talk please |
| 12:46.30 | murble | hi formi |
| 12:46.44 | formi | talk > klepto |
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| 13:08.44 | zachary | formi, sash, murble: Good Afternoon. |
| 13:09.49 | formi | hi zach |
| 13:10.02 | formi | hei sash |
| 13:10.08 | sash | Hello all |
| 13:10.34 | sash | formi: What are you trying to imply |
| 13:11.02 | formi | me implying, god NO |
| 13:11.58 | murble | have you seen http://www.scosource.com/? |
| 13:12.47 | formi | i read about it |
| 13:13.24 | IkeKrull | i'm surprised they haven't fixed that little problem yet.. |
| 13:14.02 | IkeKrull | though, it doesn;t surprise me since there were blatant lies on the front page of scosource, relating to them owning copyrights and patents on UNIX |
| 13:32.04 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 13:33.44 | sash | Afternoon. |
| 13:34.43 | zachary | Xiaoqi: Good afternoon. |
| 13:35.03 | Xiaoqi | how goes it? |
| 13:36.59 | zachary | Pretty good, getting things lined up for install fest. |
| 13:37.16 | Xiaoqi | heh, cool |
| 13:39.19 | zachary | I probably should know this by now, but can I just patch and recompile a driver module, or do I have to recompile the whole kernel? |
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| 13:45.12 | Xiaoqi | wb jenson |
| 13:45.30 | dankolb | zachary: Should be able to just to the module |
| 13:45.36 | jenson | how are you today Xiaoqi |
| 13:45.38 | jenson | hey dankolb |
| 13:46.30 | Xiaoqi | morning dankolb |
| 13:46.38 | zachary | dankolb: thanks. |
| 13:46.44 | Xiaoqi | jenson: i'm tired!!! didn't get to sleep till 4am |
| 13:47.29 | jenson | Xiaoqi: yeh im tired too, went to bed too late last 3 nights |
| 13:47.41 | Xiaoqi | did you have a good weekend? |
| 13:47.59 | jenson | Xiaoqi: yeh Alex spent like £60 at the fair |
| 13:48.05 | Xiaoqi | hehe, |
| 13:48.17 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 13:48.20 | jenson | I won loads of cuddly toys...and he won be some |
| 13:48.37 | Xiaoqi | cuddly toys are always good |
| 13:48.46 | Xiaoqi | the last thing i won was a camp looking eeyore |
| 13:49.16 | jenson | you know Beth has that thing called MonkeyNuts...I won a big furry monkey about that size lol |
| 13:49.53 | Xiaoqi | hehe, yeah. monkeynuts is cool |
| 13:50.10 | Xiaoqi | havent heard him mentioned for ages! |
| 13:50.15 | dankolb | zachary: Know anyone who's looking for a Unix sysadmin? |
| 13:50.23 | jenson | and Alex won this talking monster....which he gave to Karen, and she found it hilarious coz she was drunk |
| 13:50.53 | JD | hi |
| 13:50.56 | Xiaoqi | jenson: sounds like a normal weekend |
| 13:51.01 | Xiaoqi | hi JD |
| 13:51.05 | jenson | heya JD |
| 13:51.38 | jenson | Xiaoqi: And Beth is hand rearing a baby bird, but she went camping half the weekend so I had to do it |
| 13:51.51 | jenson | nad Costa fancies me |
| 13:51.58 | Xiaoqi | jenson: where did the baby bird com from? |
| 13:52.05 | Xiaoqi | what makes you say that? |
| 13:52.16 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Rami and Ashi killed the parents |
| 13:52.27 | Xiaoqi | oh no!!! |
| 13:52.38 | Xiaoqi | has she named the bird? |
| 13:52.46 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Well lets just say I know that lol |
| 13:53.03 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Well, she calld him BlueBird, but pig, gorgeous and baby are also common |
| 13:53.56 | Xiaoqi | jenson: i guess you must have your reasons for knowing. - the next one after alex? hehe |
| 13:54.57 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Nah, right now I'm settled, and if Alex doesnt want me flirting with other guys I won't....it's not worth it, besides I dont fancy Costa |
| 13:55.10 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 13:55.25 | Xiaoqi | jenson: so things are still going well? |
| 13:55.35 | jenson | dankolb: quite likely lol |
| 13:55.43 | dankolb | Bah. That should have been /msg, not /me |
| 13:56.08 | jenson | dankolb: its ok, you're probably trelling the truth, that sounds like something i'd say |
| 13:56.45 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Yeh I think so, but things always do in the beginning. |
| 13:57.50 | Xiaoqi | jenson: yeah, the hard bit is keeping them that way, and surviving when they go badly for a while |
| 13:58.21 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Badness is usually terminal I've found. |
| 14:00.05 | Xiaoqi | jenson: not really - it happens in phases. if it is meant to be, it will be. |
| 14:01.14 | jenson | Xiaoqi: Well we shall, things rarely go right when I'm involved it seems. |
| 14:02.35 | Xiaoqi | jenson: when it is meant to happen, it will happen. it only needs to go right once |
| 14:03.10 | jenson | I'll trust you on that girl |
| 14:05.01 | Xiaoqi | jenson: its just the way things are - it would be silly if every relationship went perfectly, or we would be compatible with everyonee |
| 14:05.36 | Xiaoqi | uurgh |
| 14:05.55 | jenson | Xiaoqi: yeh, but it always seems when you find the right person they leave you |
| 14:06.50 | Xiaoqi | jenson: that means they aren't the right person really |
| 14:07.13 | Xiaoqi | only that you think they are at the time |
| 14:08.02 | jenson | Yeh i suppose so |
| 14:08.56 | Xiaoqi | each relationship and type of 'love' for the other person feels different |
| 14:09.14 | Xiaoqi | it is very hard to know which is the right one until it really happens |
| 14:09.57 | jenson | dankolb: erm, the fact that me and Xiaoqi are dating linux geeks |
| 14:10.15 | Xiaoqi | dankolb: we'll go elsewhere |
| 14:10.27 | sash | dankolb: Heh |
| 14:10.44 | jenson | heya sash |
| 14:11.37 | sash | Hello |
| 14:11.42 | dankolb | Hi sash |
| 14:19.01 | jenson | BBL all |
| 14:19.30 | zachary | dankolb: Sorry for the late reply, dealing with daughter. Only job connections that I have are with US government deparments. Mostly MS admins. |
| 14:19.52 | dankolb | Hm.... |
| 14:20.01 | dankolb | Not sure if I could work for US government |
| 14:20.19 | dankolb | But even if it's MS admin, it sounds interesting for CV points |
| 14:20.39 | zachary | I did for four years. And promply left after my contract expired. :) |
| 14:20.47 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 14:20.54 | dankolb | I'm only looking for a 1-year post |
| 14:22.15 | zachary | To be honest, I don't think you could put up with the mindless bs. |
| 14:26.24 | eye69 | The installfest link on the gllug.org.uk site seem to be broken |
| 14:26.34 | zachary | Would you like me to see if anything is available? |
| 14:27.07 | zachary | eye69: I know, as soon as I get some more arrangements made, I'll fix it. |
| 14:28.59 | dankolb | Well, anything would be nice :) |
| 14:30.14 | zachary | I thought highbury was going to do it. But he just did the main page. I'll work on it today and hopefully have it up tonight. brb daughter is fussing. :( |
| 14:33.03 | JD | dankolb: bet you feel silly about the /me /msg thing :) |
| 14:34.47 | dankolb | JD: A little, but it doesn't really bother me |
| 14:35.55 | JD | she didn;t seem bothered by it either |
| 14:36.04 | JD | but I would agree with you |
| 14:37.45 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
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| 14:49.35 | murble | like? |
| 14:50.22 | eye69 | Just installed Zebra and got the routing table from he.net |
| 14:50.36 | eye69 | Just for fun... |
| 14:52.52 | murble | mutihope ebgp? |
| 14:52.57 | murble | s/hope/hop/ |
| 14:53.31 | eye69 | I don't really know anything yet. Just got it to show the table it has retrieved with 'show ipv6 bgp' |
| 14:54.24 | murble | on your Zebra router? |
| 14:54.39 | murble | so you're not getting ipv4 routes? |
| 14:55.58 | eye69 | Nope |
| 14:59.36 | murble | have you see funknet? http://www.funknet.org |
| 15:00.55 | eye69 | I grabbed an AS from the private range (65220) and setup a very basic config |
| 15:01.47 | murble | do they have a whois for their tunnel broker? |
| 15:02.08 | murble | and won't do you use btexact, who are actually in the UK, or do you like to send your packets to the wrong side of the planet first? |
| 15:03.13 | eye69 | Seems I have an account there too |
| 15:03.32 | eye69 | Was using ipng.org.uk, but they seem to be quite unstable |
| 15:05.54 | eye69 | A friend is asking for a good, standard 802.11b card...40 machines and some portables |
| 15:06.37 | zachary | bbl |
| 15:07.55 | murble | eye69: the buffallo 802.11b cards are 45 quid inc fat are quite nice. |
| 15:07.57 | murble | good radios etc. |
| 15:08.05 | murble | low formfactor etc. |
| 15:08.11 | murble | (they don't stick out too much) |
| 15:13.16 | eye69 | murble: Thanks |
| 15:13.58 | murble | that price is retail btw, micravika on tcr, so should be able to get cheaper. |
| 15:15.25 | eye69 | He's in Sweden though. |
| 15:17.44 | murble | you're not looking to return to the great northern socalist paradise? |
| 15:20.01 | JD | murble: do btexact want maney for their ipv6 tunnels? |
| 15:20.06 | JD | money |
| 15:20.47 | murble | JD: nope. |
| 15:21.01 | murble | they do wwant javascript though. |
| 15:21.16 | murble | and their autotunnel broker scripts are horrible, i rewrote it in iproute2 |
| 15:24.14 | JD | murble: can I have a copy? |
| 15:33.57 | murble | JD: just looking for it now. |
| 15:54.44 | JD | that was quick |
| 15:54.57 | JD | or do you know everything already? |
| 15:55.41 | Xiaoqi | JD: how goes it? |
| 15:56.18 | JD | slowly and tired |
| 15:57.13 | Xiaoqi | awww |
| 16:10.09 | JD | dankolb: how is the job hunting going? |
| 16:10.24 | dankolb | Blah. |
| 16:10.52 | JD | I take it not very well then |
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| 16:11.06 | JD | hi minty |
| 16:11.07 | dankolb | Well, need to do more applications |
| 16:11.24 | dankolb | But there's horrible evil slave-traders to get past first |
| 16:11.31 | murray | hi |
| 16:11.36 | Xiaoqi | hi murray |
| 16:12.05 | JD | dankolb: you could buy a copy of computing/it week/computer weekly or |
| 16:12.16 | dankolb | I get Computing sent |
| 16:12.23 | dankolb | That doesn't really have the appropriate jobs though |
| 16:12.26 | JD | torygraph/gauriad on apporpriate days |
| 16:12.28 | dankolb | It's more for management |
| 16:12.39 | dankolb | Grauniad on Thursdays. |
| 16:12.44 | dankolb | What about Torygraph? |
| 16:12.58 | murray | so...I have a laptop and a 80211.g card...how do I find free hotspots in/around london? (sorry, bit ot) |
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| 16:14.02 | markyboyZ1300 | hi all |
| 16:14.11 | Xiaoqi | hi markyboyZ1300 |
| 16:14.21 | markyboyZ1300 | have i met you? |
| 16:14.56 | JD | dankolb: they do a similar thing |
| 16:15.00 | Xiaoqi | erm... probably not |
| 16:15.12 | markyboyZ1300 | k,putting names to faces is all :) |
| 16:15.12 | dankolb | yeah, but what day? |
| 16:15.20 | Xiaoqi | markyboyZ1300: i haven't managed to go to a lugmeet yet |
| 16:15.33 | markyboyZ1300 | should try one,i learned a lot last time |
| 16:15.50 | JD | dankolb: not sure I could check for you |
| 16:15.54 | JD | assuming I remember |
| 16:15.55 | Xiaoqi | markyboyZ1300: i live in aberdeen atm, so i go to aberlug, will go to gllug when down again |
| 16:16.24 | JD | dankolb: give me a shout one evening this week and I'll see what I can find in my parents old papers |
| 16:16.25 | markyboyZ1300 | if i can get to spain and back in 4 days on a 650 you should be able to get down here :) |
| 16:17.07 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 16:17.47 | JD | ibot: convert 120F to C |
| 16:18.47 | JD | ibot: convert 120F to Celcius |
| 16:19.25 | Xiaoqi | markyboyZ1300: i am at uni here, so it depends on term times and money |
| 16:21.26 | markyboyZ1300 | xiaoqi:money,yeah i understand,still atleast you have something near you,i waited ages to find similar even though i live in london,unless i was looking in the wrong places |
| 16:22.25 | Xiaoqi | markyboyZ1300: its nice up here - everyone is very friendly, and the lug has only just started, so it is small atm. but very nice people. |
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| 16:27.54 | markyboyZ1300 | most linux users are it seems,bit more approachable then win users i feel,i base that opinon on being an amiga user and it seemed like a nice small community which windows never had |
| 16:28.41 | dankolb | 'most' |
| 16:28.46 | Xiaoqi | yeah... |
| 16:28.49 | Xiaoqi | i'm gonna disappear for a bit and watch some tv |
| 16:28.51 | Xiaoqi | cya l8r |
| 16:32.31 | markyboyZ1300 | choi |
| 16:32.35 | markyboyZ1300 | chow,? |
| 16:33.05 | markyboyZ1300 | ok ,may i ask a question please? |
| 16:33.27 | markyboyZ1300 | regarding squid |
| 16:34.00 | dankolb | ciao |
| 16:34.34 | markyboyZ1300 | cheers : |
| 16:34.37 | markyboyZ1300 | :) |
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| 16:44.10 | markyboyZ1300 | hey zach |
| 16:44.32 | formi | markyboyZ1300: I might be able to answer |
| 16:44.34 | zachary | good evening |
| 16:44.44 | formi | re zachary |
| 16:49.09 | markyboyZ1300 | formi: having trouble with squid,have done df and seen / is at 100% so i freed up some disk space but still not working, tried ps -aux |fgrep squid and all seems well,tried just typing "squid" and get "squid is allready running pid 1596" but still can get on the web ? |
| 16:49.18 | dankolb | Byee |
| 16:50.07 | formi | i don't get what you're trying to ask |
| 16:51.42 | markyboyZ1300 | when a workstation trys to go on the net it does not work |
| 16:52.09 | formi | did you try to restart squid? |
| 16:53.26 | markyboyZ1300 | yup /etc/rc.d/init.d/squid restart stop fail start ok ??? |
| 16:54.08 | formi | are you sure /var is on the same partition as / ? |
| 16:54.34 | formi | tail -n 40 /var/log/syslog |
| 16:56.50 | markyboyZ1300 | already checked thqat out, only two partitions (i never set this up,my tech did but he left work on friday) hda2 and hda3 and / dont really know what the deal is to be honest ,all i know is when squid goes wrong the first thing i check is disk space then netstat -an | fgrep 8080 and then i am lost |
| 16:57.46 | formi | try the tail command to see if you can get more info on the problem |
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| 16:58.49 | murble | does anyone know how you are supposed to inform SuSE of bugs in their packages? |
| 16:59.37 | formi | not mua |
| 16:59.46 | formi | hei leeds |
| 16:59.56 | Leeds | afternoon formi |
| 17:00.49 | formi | markyboyZ1300: the last resort would be to rebuild the cache! Did it myself this morning |
| 17:01.25 | formi | speaking about squid, does anyone know if it can be run without caching to disk? |
| 17:01.37 | markyboyZ1300 | REBUILD THE CACHE? ooops sorry shouting |
| 17:02.16 | formi | basically wiping it, and rebuilding the skeleton |
| 17:02.33 | formi | but do run the tail command |
| 17:02.39 | formi | fisrt |
| 17:03.15 | markyboyZ1300 | tail? umm i usually try tail -f acc* to view the real time access log but as it aint running it wont make no diff |
| 17:03.51 | formi | if you try to start squid and it flops, you can check the error on the logs |
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| 17:05.52 | SPQR | evenin' |
| 17:06.02 | markyboyZ1300 | where do i find the error logs please? |
| 17:07.04 | formi | /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| 17:16.26 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: hiya, how goes it? |
| 17:18.28 | SPQR | Xiaoqi heya |
| 17:25.58 | markyboyZ1300 | i deleted all the logs too free up some disk space :( (sorry it took me so long to answer had to take a phone call) |
| 17:26.23 | formi | all ? |
| 17:26.54 | formi | that's is not very wise |
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| 17:32.39 | markyboyZ1300 | log files are ok no? |
| 17:32.53 | markyboyZ1300 | where do i find the error logs please? |
| 17:35.02 | formi | if you deleted them, they are GONE |
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| 17:38.55 | markyboyZ1300 | bugger,ok where are they stored? |
| 17:40.11 | formi | /var/log |
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| 18:18.03 | resuDaed | hey all |
| 18:18.55 | resuDaed | if I tail -f the /var/spool/mail/<user>, will that be able to output all emails received by that user? |
| 18:20.06 | Xiaoqi | hi tom |
| 18:20.10 | resuDaed | hey Xiaoqi |
| 18:20.21 | Xiaoqi | how are you? |
| 18:20.35 | resuDaed | ok, this is niki right? |
| 18:20.46 | Xiaoqi | yeah, i am Nikki |
| 18:21.13 | resuDaed | just checking ... David occaisionally appears under you nick |
| 18:21.24 | Xiaoqi | he shouldn't do |
| 18:21.29 | resuDaed | how did the bot idea come along? |
| 18:21.39 | Leeds | resuDaed: yes... as root... but it's very very rude if you're on a multiuser system and it's not your user |
| 18:21.54 | Xiaoqi | i have my own channel, and i wanted a bot to put in it |
| 18:22.05 | resuDaed | Leeds : thanks ... politness isn't the key idea behind it all |
| 18:22.09 | Leeds | resuDaed: oh, and assuming, of course, that /var/spool/mail is where you deliver mail |
| 18:22.21 | Leeds | Xiaoqi: have you looked at the source to ibot? |
| 18:22.36 | resuDaed | Leeds : it is symlinked to the actual mail files |
| 18:22.38 | Leeds | resuDaed: you're planning to be rude? |
| 18:22.44 | Xiaoqi | Leeds: no i haven't |
| 18:22.48 | resuDaed | Leeds : ummm ... |
| 18:22.49 | Leeds | ibot ibot |
| 18:22.50 | | ibot is, like, a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 18:24.30 | Xiaoqi | Leeds: i have done it in perl so far, and it seems to be going ok |
| 18:25.25 | resuDaed | Xiaoqi : you have learnt perl |
| 18:25.26 | resuDaed | ? |
| 18:25.59 | Xiaoqi | resuDaed: i'm learning... as i go. i am understanding a lot better now. |
| 18:26.07 | Xiaoqi | resuDaed: i only started on saturday |
| 18:26.10 | resuDaed | Xiaoqi : well done |
| 18:26.34 | Leeds | python! |
| 18:26.37 | Leeds | ... |
| 18:26.41 | resuDaed | Python! |
| 18:26.48 | Xiaoqi | why python? |
| 18:26.54 | Leeds | if you're only learning Perl - it's not too late to learn something sane instead :-) |
| 18:27.17 | Xiaoqi | Leeds: there's nothing to stop me learning more than one language |
| 18:27.50 | Leeds | perl and python tend to fill the same slot in someone's skillset - if you get familiar with one, you're likely to stick with it |
| 18:28.21 | resuDaed | saying that, it is useful to know both |
| 18:28.23 | Leeds | since the question comes down to "I need to write a program - which language will I use?" and the answer is likely to be the one you are most familiar with |
| 18:28.42 | Leeds | I can read Perl, sort of... but I write Python... reading Python is a no-brainer, most of the time, since it's sane :-) |
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| 20:00.22 | Xiaoqi | wb zachary |
| 20:00.58 | zachary | thanks Xiaoqi |
| 20:01.23 | zachary | nic is having problems. |
| 20:02.30 | Xiaoqi | how come? |
| 20:03.06 | zachary | hate to say it, but my dongle is broken. |
| 20:05.57 | Xiaoqi | whats a dongle? |
| 20:08.25 | zachary | connecting adapter for pc-cards(modems, nics) |
| 20:13.56 | zachary | bbl |
| 20:35.28 | Xiaoqi | wb |
| 20:35.34 | zachary | ty |
| 20:57.41 | JD | hi all |
| 20:57.49 | skugg | hi jd |
| 20:57.57 | skugg | how's things |
| 20:59.14 | JD | not too bad |
| 20:59.17 | JD | a bit tired |
| 20:59.24 | JD | as I got up at 6 today |
| 21:01.02 | skugg | heh. http://ilmari.org/hands/ <-- a friend of mine managed to break 6 fingers while drunk... now he's put the x-rays out on the web. ;) |
| 21:01.03 | JD | drove to Chelmsford from Bedford/Milton Keynes |
| 21:02.34 | murble | is anyone going to internet woe tomorrow? |
| 21:02.43 | JD | that is indeed a skill |
| 21:02.51 | JD | murble: ? |
| 21:03.19 | JD | Leeds: that is only 3 hour drive |
| 21:03.27 | Leeds | true |
| 21:03.29 | Leeds | ish |
| 21:04.06 | Leeds | I tend to take it slow - find I get sleepy after periods concentrating on the road at high speed |
| 21:05.10 | murble | JD: internet world. |
| 21:05.53 | JD | although I'm slightly concerned that I appear to have lost one ball |
| 21:06.08 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 21:06.31 | skugg | JD, can you do it? i can only do three... |
| 21:06.38 | skugg | i'm a bit rusty though. |
| 21:07.01 | skugg | well, i could do two with either hand, but not at the same time... so couldn't get four that way either ;) |
| 21:07.09 | Xiaoqi | JD: i thought that was hitler? |
| 21:07.15 | JD | I only tried yesterday so I'm a little bit rusty :) |
| 21:07.28 | JD | that is the way to do 4 |
| 21:07.50 | JD | Xiaoqi: hitler only had one ball |
| 21:07.56 | JD | I have lost one ball |
| 21:08.10 | Xiaoqi | :P |
| 21:08.13 | JD | Xiaoqi: not the same thing |
| 21:08.24 | Xiaoqi | JD: i know |
| 21:08.31 | Xiaoqi | i was being silly |
| 21:08.43 | Xiaoqi | hmm. |
| 21:08.57 | JD | I should have 6 |
| 21:09.02 | Xiaoqi | i am assuming that this is nothing to do with the hitler type balls or the dance type balls |
| 21:09.08 | Xiaoqi | so maybe someone could explain |
| 21:09.09 | Xiaoqi | ? |
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| 21:10.18 | JD | [22:04] * JD practices jugglin 4 balls[22:04] * JD practices jugglin 4 balls |
| 21:10.37 | JD | damn latency and cut'n'paste :( |
| 21:10.57 | Leeds | ibot lag |
| 21:10.58 | | extra, extra, read all about it, lag is very bad here :( |
| 21:12.51 | Leeds | last thing I heard, the clown I bought my best set off had moved to the Golan Heights as an ideological statement |
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| 21:13.35 | Leeds | clown in a professional sense, that is... he made them, and they've stood up pretty well... machine-washable :-) |
| 21:13.45 | JD | at least it isn;t the set I brought on Saturday cos that would ust annoy me |
| 21:14.01 | JD | mine are faux suede |
| 21:14.15 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 21:14.20 | JD | 6 panel |
| 21:14.46 | Leeds | posh... |
| 21:14.55 | JD | I did have 4 thuds, but they perished so I had to throw them away |
| 21:15.02 | JD | now where is that last ball? |
| 21:15.09 | Leeds | mine are cotton (I think) with plastic beads |
| 21:15.33 | JD | found it |
| 21:16.50 | JD | I very nearly brought some clubs but I didn;t fancy carring them around Brighton all day |
| 21:17.43 | JD | it could take some time as it is 1Gb of ECC |
| 21:18.09 | JD | been running for 30min and only done 14% |
| 21:18.36 | JD | and test 11 takes forever wit only 128 or 256 :( |
| 21:19.08 | JD | we do have a server we are building atm with 3gb |
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| 21:19.52 | Blueroam | Xiaoqi: boo :) |
| 21:20.01 | Jenson | JD: Blueroam is from Milton Keynes |
| 21:20.03 | Xiaoqi | hi |
| 21:20.14 | Blueroam | lo |
| 21:20.21 | Xiaoqi | JD: and Blueroam is in aberdeen with me!!! |
| 21:20.31 | JD | then he shold go to MKLUG then |
| 21:20.43 | JD | hmmm maybe not then |
| 21:21.05 | Blueroam | JD: Its where my parents live. Going to uni in aberdeen. |
| 21:21.07 | JD | at uni? |
| 21:21.23 | JD | Blueroam: where abouts? |
| 21:21.23 | Blueroam | yeah |
| 21:21.35 | Blueroam | JD: In aberdeen or MK? |
| 21:21.52 | JD | well I don't know aberdeen so I guess MK |
| 21:22.53 | Blueroam | Shenley Brook End |
| 21:23.13 | Blueroam | Went to school in the hell hole that is radcliffe |
| 21:23.45 | Blueroam | u? |
| 21:24.39 | JD | hmmm radcliffe |
| 21:24.46 | JD | I knew people that went there |
| 21:25.26 | Blueroam | ah cool |
| 21:26.17 | JD | yes |
| 21:27.04 | JD | my aunt had a set of those |
| 21:27.11 | JD | cheap, but painful on the hands |
| 21:27.25 | Leeds | yes... and a tendency to get blown away |
| 21:27.56 | JD | there isn;t really more I can learn to do on my own |
| 21:28.06 | JD | I could do with learning carrying |
| 21:28.11 | JD | and 5 ball |
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| 21:28.24 | JD | but then it is rings and clubs |
| 21:28.42 | JD | for more impressive stuff I need a partner |
| 21:28.42 | Leeds | scarves are quite fun... and I could do plates a bit at one point |
| 21:28.58 | JD | I've seen scarves |
| 21:29.01 | Jenson | heya resuBitch |
| 21:29.04 | JD | slow and graceful |
| 21:29.22 | Leeds | http://www.juggling.org/~jerusalem/ |
| 21:29.51 | JD | I guess I could try over the shoulder stuff |
| 21:29.56 | JD | that would look impressive |
| 21:30.17 | JD | beth; what is wrong? you are using your own account for once |
| 21:30.17 | Xiaoqi | resuBitch: beth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:30.57 | Jenson | resuBitch: I heard about BlueBird, I'm sorry :( |
| 21:31.10 | Leeds | http://www.juggling.org/meetings/unit_ki.html |
| 21:31.20 | Leeds | rings are quite easy |
| 21:31.24 | Leeds | 3, at leat |
| 21:31.39 | JD | Leeds: but can be a bit painful to start with :( |
| 21:31.46 | Leeds | true... |
| 21:32.03 | Leeds | JD: there is an MK group listed - although the homepage is dead |
| 21:32.17 | JD | there is the bedofrd circus ring |
| 21:32.22 | JD | or at least there was |
| 21:32.34 | resuBitch | Hi all |
| 21:32.46 | JD | there used to be a juggling barrow in the MK shopping centre |
| 21:33.18 | resuBitch | Jenson: Ta, did cry most of the morning, poor Joe and Tom, they buried him for me. |
| 21:33.30 | resuBitch | Xiaoqi: Hi swet |
| 21:33.36 | Jenson | resuBitch: Sounds like my mother |
| 21:33.40 | resuBitch | Xiaoqi: Hi sweet |
| 21:33.47 | resuBitch | Jenson: she cried? |
| 21:33.56 | Jenson | no, I mean with animals |
| 21:34.06 | Leeds | Jenson: rabbit? |
| 21:34.10 | Jenson | resuBitch: She did say aww though, she loves wildlife and stuff |
| 21:34.12 | JD | this was this baby bird right? |
| 21:34.21 | Jenson | Leeds: God, when the rabbits died she went mental |
| 21:35.39 | resuBitch | Jenson: Bless her. Bluebird was cheeky, but worth it |
| 21:36.01 | Jenson | resuBitch: He/she was great :) |
| 21:40.19 | Jenson | Oh well, time for bed |
| 21:40.22 | Jenson | Goodnight everyone |
| 21:40.32 | Xiaoqi | night Jenson |
| 21:40.44 | Jenson | night Xiaoqi |
| 21:40.46 | JD | yep probably the same here |
| 21:40.55 | Jenson | night JD |
| 21:40.57 | Xiaoqi | its late |
| 21:41.01 | Xiaoqi | i didn't realise!!! |
| 21:41.12 | JD | hopefully my desktop will have done a reasonable amount of a memtest by the morning |
| 21:41.24 | Xiaoqi | i'm gonna go to sleep now as well |
| 21:41.30 | Xiaoqi | goodnight everyone!! |
| 21:47.12 | Leeds | g'night |
| 22:09.36 | JD | are people still around? |
| 22:09.54 | Leeds | maybe |
| 22:11.32 | Leeds | (the question being how to run SpamAssassin on all mail, with per-user SA settings, while still using unaltered .qmail files for delivery) |
| 22:11.36 | skugg | "why the fuck is _anyone_ using qmail?" :) |
| 22:12.49 | Leeds | NOT BY CHOICE |
| 22:13.19 | Leeds | I run a multi-user system with two friends... one of them installed qmail as the MTA when we were setting the system up, and by the time I realised how bad it was, we had users used to it :-( |
| 22:15.22 | Leeds | anyway - I asked the question, and a couple of people said yes, they were doing that kind of thing... so I've asked one of them to e-mail me and tell me *how* |
| 22:16.04 | JD | is this on the exim book review? |
| 22:16.21 | Leeds | yeah |
| 22:16.53 | Leeds | I've read various exim docs, and heard Phil Hazel talk about it - sounds like a much much saner and safer system to me... and he's a nice bloke, and English too :-) |
| 22:18.15 | JD | exim4 is even better than exim 3 |
| 22:18.41 | JD | you basically tell it how to delvier mails |
| 22:18.56 | resuBitch | night all |
| 22:18.59 | Leeds | night |
| 22:19.02 | JD | and hten you tell it when to use those transports and in what order |
| 22:21.33 | Leeds | the main problem is that there are well over 100 .qmail files on our system... most are just telling where to deliver mail for a specific domain, but some are more complex |
| 22:21.47 | Leeds | .qmail being the per-user delivery settings file |
| 22:22.56 | JD | sadly exim has no concept of filtering via a pipe |
| 22:23.17 | Leeds | boo hiss |
| 22:23.21 | Leeds | stone him |
| 22:23.27 | JD | and using exi with a user SA config may not be entirely easy |
| 22:23.41 | Leeds | the easy answer, of course |
| 22:23.49 | Leeds | is just to use procmail as the MDA... |
| 22:23.55 | Leeds | but procmail scares people |
| 22:24.01 | eye69 | JD: Postfix makes it quite easy to make pipes |
| 22:24.02 | Leeds | even qmail can just use procmail for delivery |
| 22:24.14 | JD | Leeds: procmail is just evil |
| 22:24.23 | JD | it doesn;t scare me, but I have seen the source |
| 22:24.45 | Leeds | I like procmail... |
| 22:25.27 | JD | gotos into the middle of for loops is not the kind of thing you do in polite society |
| 22:26.53 | Leeds | what is out there which is as useful and/or powerful though? |
| 22:27.14 | JD | exim |
| 22:27.30 | Leeds | except that it can't filter through a pipe - or so I'm told :-) |
| 22:28.03 | JD | well that isn;t quite true |
| 22:28.08 | JD | you can |
| 22:28.47 | Leeds | anyway - I'm waiting for a random slashdot bod to tell me how to fix qmail... |
| 22:28.55 | JD | you can send to a pipe and iirc you can filter one the way to a pipe |
| 22:29.16 | JD | so if you want to filter an email and hten carry on with the delivery |
| 22:29.24 | Leeds | you redeliver it? |
| 22:29.38 | JD | like you do in spamassassin you have to pipe ot another exim process and filter using SA |
| 22:30.15 | JD | but exim filters are cool |
| 22:30.28 | Leeds | what is so fucking hard about putting in a config file somewhere "mail_delivery_filter: /usr/bin/spamc" |
| 22:30.29 | JD | except you can't modify headers in a user filter for some reason |
| 22:30.46 | JD | is that at me or someone else? |
| 22:30.56 | Leeds | general shout to the world |
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| 22:31.19 | Leeds | if you've got an answer, I'm happy to hear it :-) |
| 22:32.20 | eye69 | content_filter = vscan: |
| 22:32.28 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.29 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.40 | eye69 | vscan unix - n n - 50 pipe flags=q user=amavis argv=/usr/sbin/amavis ${sender} ${recipient} |
| 22:32.43 | eye69 | localhost:10025 inet n - n - - smtpd -o content_filter= |
| 22:32.47 | JD | but something like content_filter would be better |
| 22:33.05 | Leeds | JD: does that run as the destination user? I need per-user settings |
| 22:33.18 | JD | only as mail |
| 22:33.23 | Leeds | bang! |
| 22:33.25 | Leeds | useless... |
| 22:33.30 | JD | but oyu could replace mail with $localpart |
| 22:34.01 | JD | or any other exim string expansion |
| 22:34.05 | Leeds | has it decided who to deliver to? the problem is that I've got qmail filtering mail through SA... but before it's routed it, so all the mail gets filtered as user qmail |
| 22:34.32 | Leeds | blah |
| 22:34.56 | Leeds | this really shouldn't be that hard - looks like postfix might have the right idea... but I'm sure there are 1,000,000 other things wrong with postfix |
| 22:34.59 | JD | it hasn't yet decided where it should go |
| 22:35.15 | Leeds | but there are 1,000,000,000 things wrong with qmail... at least |
| 22:35.15 | JD | I'm sure it can be done |
| 22:35.43 | Leeds | it shouldn't have to be done... it should just work... what's the UNIX way? pipelines!!! |
| 22:37.06 | JD | hmmm you could filter on maildir transports but then you can't filter on spam status |
| 22:37.21 | eye69 | Leeds: You know your way around C, right? Write it! :) |
| 22:37.47 | JD | Leeds: the problem is that the email may get forwards to someone else |
| 22:38.21 | JD | and you don't really know when is the correct time to check it |
| 22:38.42 | Leeds | just before it gets to the user's own delivery/routing instructions |
| 22:38.55 | JD | do you check for spam before or after the user filter? |
| 22:39.31 | JD | but then what happens if the user forwards to a different user? |
| 22:39.36 | Leeds | you apply 0 or more filters in order system-wide, then 0 or more filters for the user |
| 22:40.01 | Leeds | that depends on if it redelivers it completely, or just puts it in another mailbox |
| 22:40.47 | JD | you could do it so tat it is before the user forward router |
| 22:40.55 | JD | yeah could be done |
| 22:41.38 | JD | okay bed time |
| 22:41.40 | JD | night |
| 22:41.43 | Leeds | me too |
| 22:41.44 | Leeds | g'night |
| 22:44.18 | resuDaed | ibot seen Clyphox |
| 22:44.19 | | resuDaed: i haven't seen 'clyphox ' |
| 22:52.50 | Clyphox | moo |
| 23:12.49 | Xiaoqi | peekaboo |
| 23:31.35 | A4266 | heya Xiaoqi |
| 23:31.55 | Xiaoqi | hi alex. |
| 23:32.01 | Xiaoqi | bad lag, so i apologise |
| 23:33.45 | A4266 | brb. Star Trek is on!! |
| 23:34.02 | Xiaoqi | A4266: aww |