| 00:01.18 | new2unix | Dear Hoover, please find enclosed an invoice for xthousand dollars for this weeks usage of the word "Hoover" in my collage essay. I have also enclosed a copy of the essay with all references underlined. PLease make cheques payable to me by end of month. |
| 00:01.27 | skugg | night peaple |
| 00:01.40 | new2unix | nite skugg |
| 00:01.50 | murble | nn |
| 00:02.00 | new2unix | nite murble |
| 00:03.28 | new2unix | ok. thats enough BS from me for one day. better go hang my wet clothes and quickly read up on Packet Filter (pf). |
| 00:03.37 | new2unix | nite all |
| 00:04.48 | Xiaoqi | night night! |
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| 05:27.35 | Tarragon | Morning |
| 07:41.10 | SpudULike | Hello |
| 07:41.37 | SpudULike | Bye bye. |
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| 07:45.09 | zachary | moin |
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| 07:49.25 | bluebeard | Where is the next meeting, exactly? |
| 07:49.50 | zachary | bluebeard: installfest on 21st? |
| 07:49.59 | bluebeard | Yes. |
| 07:50.31 | zachary | have you visited http://gllug.org.uk/installfest-20030621.html? |
| 07:50.35 | bluebeard | When I went by the Westminster University campus they seemed to know naught of it at the front desk. |
| 07:50.37 | bluebeard | yes |
| 07:51.15 | zachary | The weekday staff will most likely know nothing of it. |
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| 07:52.06 | bluebeard | So if J Random Linux user walks in off the street and inquires about it, they tell him that it doesn't exist. |
| 07:52.19 | zachary | The lecture hall is on the second floor. Coming off of the stairs head straight, through a pair of double doors and the lecture hall is off to the right. |
| 07:52.55 | zachary | moin sash |
| 07:53.37 | sash | Morning. |
| 07:54.20 | zachary | bluebeard: It is the way Westminster U. is handling the bookings. Even the weekend staff does not know until an hour before the event. |
| 07:54.45 | bluebeard | Cool. It's like a sneak attack. |
| 07:54.49 | zachary | It is best to deal with the outside organisations not with the uni. |
| 07:55.33 | zachary | sash: What is the Alexander technique that you braught up a couple of days ago? |
| 07:55.35 | bluebeard | Why the stealth though; are we hiding from someone? |
| 07:56.30 | sash | zachary: It's a system of conscious awareness of body posture. |
| 07:57.12 | zachary | bluebeard: It is just a communications problem within the uni. I have addressed the issue, but nothing is going to change unless they fire someone. |
| 07:57.20 | sash | zachary: Their mantra is "Use affects functioning." |
| 07:58.16 | zachary | book or via google? |
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| 08:01.57 | zachary | moin new2unix |
| 08:02.23 | new2unix | Hi Zachary, How'dy |
| 08:02.25 | sash | Oi you! |
| 08:03.09 | new2unix | Hi Sash. bit early for you to be online |
| 08:03.27 | new2unix | didnt you get any sleep? Hahaha |
| 08:03.52 | sash | zachary: Book/google X. AT requires hands on experience. Ideally one to one tuition. |
| 08:03.52 | new2unix | Morning Lurkers |
| 08:04.59 | sash | new2unix: Actually, not much sleep as got back from Croydon at half one. |
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| 08:10.36 | SPQR | re |
| 08:16.11 | stephen | wb SPQR |
| 08:16.29 | stephen | *yawns* |
| 08:17.35 | SPQR | cheers stephen |
| 08:17.58 | SPQR | late night? |
| 08:18.16 | zachary | Does anyone have a spindle of blank cd's they could bring tomarrow? |
| 08:18.50 | new2unix | how many are you after? |
| 08:19.08 | zachary | about 50 |
| 08:19.57 | new2unix | nah. i've got a fifth of that, i think |
| 08:20.18 | bluebeard | I was thinking of shopping for CD's in the morning before the show. If you want 50 I'll bring them at cost. |
| 08:21.37 | zachary | bluebeard: thanks! If they don't sell I buy them from you. |
| 08:22.32 | bluebeard | I heard mention of a CD burner. What discs will be available to burn? |
| 08:22.55 | bluebeard | Let me guess; We'll know tomorrow? |
| 08:23.24 | zachary | most recent isos of: debian, redhat, mandrake, slackware, freebsd, knoppix |
| 08:23.24 | stephen | SPQR: yep. Went to bed at 01:30 or something, but was kept awake for another couple of hours by fire alarms / people making noise |
| 08:23.47 | chrisa | zachary: does the university provide a network connection? |
| 08:24.29 | SPQR | stephen: gah. Its only fun when you're making the noises ya self... |
| 08:24.33 | stephen | hehe |
| 08:25.32 | zachary | chrisa: yes |
| 08:25.42 | sash | The perils of living with drunks^W studente. |
| 08:26.44 | new2unix | can somebody please bring along a copy og F.I.R.E <http://fire.dmzs.com> tomorrow. |
| 08:26.53 | chrisa | zachary: ah, i guess any iso on sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk is available then :) |
| 08:28.07 | bluebeard | Good. I gave away my last set of redhat 9 discs to a cabbie last night as a tip. I'd like to replace them. |
| 08:28.08 | SpudULike | And alt.binaries.warez ;-))) |
| 08:28.20 | stephen | so true sash |
| 08:31.49 | Tarragon | OK I will download F.I.R.E. now. |
| 08:34.19 | new2unix | cheers Tarragon. I'll bring some blank CD's and my pocketmoney with me tomorrow :) |
| 08:36.50 | Tarragon | Oh slow connections. Still have all day. |
| 08:36.55 | new2unix | OK folks. work here began 9mins ago. i have to join the threadmill. seyall laters |
| 08:38.17 | sash | Happy sewing. |
| 08:38.56 | stephen | hmm, I would download F.I.R.E for ya Tarragon, but I don't think I'll be coming tomorrow, as I've left all my coursework to the last minute as per usual ;( |
| 08:39.40 | Tarragon | Thanks, but I am downloading it for new2unix, not for me. |
| 08:39.55 | zachary | Tarragon: I'm getting it at 48KBps. |
| 08:40.09 | stephen | indeed :p |
| 08:44.25 | Tarragon | .ie was only at 28KBps, NC is 67KBps, .be would not connect |
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| 08:47.00 | SPQR | brb |
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| 09:22.51 | JD | dankolb: ping |
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| 10:06.11 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 10:06.41 | sash | Morning. |
| 10:06.51 | Xiaoqi | how are you? |
| 10:11.43 | sash | Suffering from a debilitating condition resulting in a frenzy of mucus and lingering headache. And you? |
| 10:12.05 | SPQR | hayfever? |
| 10:12.51 | JD | hi all |
| 10:12.55 | JD | anyone seen dankolb |
| 10:13.02 | JD | ibot: seen dankolb |
| 10:13.02 | | dankolb is currently on #gllug |
| 10:13.08 | SPQR | hey JD . Not dor a bit.. |
| 10:13.11 | SPQR | *for |
| 10:17.10 | sash | SPQR: Could be. Is a headache usual? |
| 10:24.43 | SPQR | for some yes. |
| 10:37.16 | Jenson|Away | JD: dankolb is in Wales with Heather |
| 10:37.23 | Xiaoqi | Jenson|Away: morning! |
| 10:54.21 | zachary | bbl |
| 10:54.30 | Jenson | cya |
| 10:54.37 | Xiaoqi | bye zachary |
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| 11:14.12 | Xiaoqi | i was wondering if anyone could maybe help... I am VERY newbie... hehehe |
| 11:14.25 | Xiaoqi | I am trying to get blackox to run |
| 11:14.32 | Xiaoqi | and it sais: |
| 11:14.56 | Xiaoqi | Basedisplay::basedisplay: connection to X server failed |
| 11:15.03 | Xiaoqi | any ideas? |
| 11:15.41 | Jenson | erm nope, not one ive seen |
| 11:16.08 | Xiaoqi | ah, ok.. thanks |
| 11:16.28 | Tarragon | fire-0.4a.iso 578MB downloaded and burn to CD. |
| 11:16.38 | Jenson | will it not run any of the other desktop environments |
| 11:16.42 | Jenson | good afternoon Tarragon |
| 11:17.01 | Xiaoqi | Tarragon: huh? |
| 11:17.02 | Tarragon | Afternoon |
| 11:17.23 | Tarragon | new2unix wanted a distro burning for tomorrow |
| 11:17.28 | Jenson | yeh |
| 11:17.31 | Xiaoqi | ah |
| 11:17.32 | Xiaoqi | ok |
| 11:17.34 | Jenson | i wwas here for that conversation |
| 11:17.40 | Jenson | i had a dream about him last night |
| 11:17.42 | Jenson | freaky |
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| 13:58.33 | Xiaoqi | hi new2unix |
| 13:58.57 | new2unix | Hi Xiaoqi |
| 13:59.25 | Xiaoqi | hows you? |
| 13:59.43 | new2unix | at work. arghh... |
| 13:59.56 | new2unix | back in a tick all. got some cabinets to attend to. |
| 14:11.15 | new2unix| | bye all |
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| 15:38.21 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Meeting: 21 June - Installfest], Check out IRC FAQ at http://www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html |
| 15:38.46 | zachary | good afternoon. For those who protest the outside world and have blackened out their windows; what a beutiful day. |
| 15:39.24 | SPQR | lol |
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| 16:02.05 | zachary | Tarragon: Were you able to get fire downloaded? |
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| 16:52.39 | SPQR | ibot: dance |
| 16:52.40 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 16:53.07 | zachary | anyone familiar with the debian disc sets 3.0r1 |
| 16:53.58 | SPQR | laterz peeps. |
| 17:09.16 | Jenson|Away | zachary: yeh Tarragon got that d/l, he was telling us this morning |
| 17:09.30 | zachary | ty |
| 17:09.48 | Jenson|Away | yw, how are you anyway? |
| 17:10.35 | zachary | getting things ready for tomarrow, a bit busy. |
| 17:11.03 | Jenson|Away | oh, i'm about to go get a train down to Alex's place |
| 17:11.39 | Jenson|Away | Well I'm off, gotta move a couple of things off the table then I'm going out |
| 17:11.40 | Jenson|Away | Seeya later |
| 17:11.56 | murble | zachary: oh is it tomorrow? |
| 17:14.06 | markyboyZ1300 | where has murble been??? |
| 17:15.50 | markyboyZ1300 | a diary would be better :) |
| 17:18.48 | murble | well, i know i'm flying to .lu on tuesday and coming back friday week. so for the next 2 weeks i don't need to know anything else. |
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| 17:57.45 | zachary | resuDaed: Did you get your kdm question answered? |
| 17:59.17 | resuDaed | zachary : yes thanks ... I actually worked it otut myself - it was how to chane the background |
| 18:51.22 | Xiaoqi | anyone there? |
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| 18:52.30 | formi | ulo |
| 18:52.34 | Xiaoqi | hi formi |
| 18:52.46 | formi | anybody running red hat on a laptop |
| 18:52.55 | Xiaoqi | no, sorry... |
| 18:52.56 | formi | ? |
| 18:59.25 | Xiaoqi | hellooooooooo out there |
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| 19:38.19 | Xiaoqi | hi Tarragon |
| 19:42.19 | Tarragon | Hi |
| 19:44.09 | cupis | hi Tarragon |
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| 20:19.36 | armijn | re |
| 20:19.41 | Jenson | hey armijn |
| 20:19.47 | armijn | hiya |
| 20:20.39 | Leeds | evening |
| 20:20.46 | armijn | hi leeds |
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| 20:21.29 | Leeds | so, who's going shopping in 3 hours? |
| 20:21.34 | Xiaoqi | hi armijn Leeds KMD |
| 20:21.40 | Leeds | hey Xiaoqi |
| 20:22.12 | KMD | Hiya Xiaoqi and Leeds. How's the heat ? |
| 20:22.19 | Leeds | hot... |
| 20:22.24 | Xiaoqi | loely! |
| 20:22.46 | KMD | hehehee..... y servers are humming too. |
| 20:22.54 | Tarragon | Leeds: Why 3 hours? Some of us already ..... |
| 20:23.22 | armijn | heat? that hot over there? |
| 20:23.28 | Leeds | press privilege? |
| 20:23.40 | Leeds | armijn: it's 31 degrees in this room right now |
| 20:23.48 | Tarragon | No wife who proof read for it |
| 20:24.04 | KMD | 24C is hot here in London...earlier of course. |
| 20:24.14 | Leeds | oh, cool |
| 20:24.42 | Leeds | mate of mine's wife works for JKR's publisher... was at the wedding and all... |
| 20:24.52 | KMD | Smoke my gkrellm is quenched. Cant tell the temp , right now. |
| 20:25.22 | armijn | aah, you're talking about that new book about the dutch prime minister! |
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| 20:26.25 | Leeds | European non sequitur ahoy! |
| 20:26.53 | armijn | he looks a lot like that wizard boy, y'know... |
| 20:27.03 | Leeds | ah... |
| 20:27.21 | armijn | same haircut, same glasses... |
| 20:27.26 | Tarragon | http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/bal020517.html |
| 20:27.38 | Leeds | Brits don't tend to know what minor European leaders look like :-P |
| 20:27.43 | gregj | hi |
| 20:27.59 | Leeds | evening gregj - how's things? |
| 20:27.59 | armijn | leeds: minor? |
| 20:28.05 | gregj | Leeds: i got a flu :/ |
| 20:28.11 | gregj | for 4 days now |
| 20:28.31 | gregj | and it doesn't get better |
| 20:29.01 | Leeds | armijn: you're basically EU citizens, aren't you? |
| 20:29.05 | gregj | Leeds: i am looking for av qmail soft, that will work on my server - but no luck so far |
| 20:29.20 | armijn | leeds: ehr, in what respect? |
| 20:29.31 | Leeds | gregj: qmail! argh! pain and suffering! look at qmail-scanner... |
| 20:29.45 | gregj | Leeds: qmail is nice, just for a smart boys :] |
| 20:30.04 | gregj | Leeds: i had to aply 1000 patches and change few things my self, but it is ok |
| 20:30.06 | Leeds | armijn: don't mind me - I'm just stirring... but the majority of your national legislation is EU-sourced, you don't control your economy... |
| 20:30.20 | Leeds | qmail bad, qmail painful... qmail isn't a unix program |
| 20:30.31 | Leeds | qmail doesn't do *anything* sanely |
| 20:30.32 | gregj | qmail is a right unix software |
| 20:31.04 | gregj | qmail is perfect, fast, relaible (whatever), and does his job *perfectly* |
| 20:31.17 | gregj | qmail with vpopmail = good email server |
| 20:31.24 | gregj | :] |
| 20:31.31 | armijn | leeds: well, it's not always clear if you should follow EU legislation or national legislation |
| 20:31.43 | Leeds | but it's fucking evil for an administrator, who doesn't have time or inclination to work out what colour the sky is in djb's world - because it's not the same colour as in the real world |
| 20:31.50 | armijn | it will be a long time before there will be a paperless office in Brussels... |
| 20:32.07 | gregj | armijn: you mean - never ? |
| 20:32.09 | Leeds | armijn: the thing about legislation is true for the UK as well, AFAIK :-) |
| 20:32.14 | armijn | gregj: I think so... |
| 20:32.28 | armijn | djb...I had some serious "fun" with tinydns... |
| 20:32.35 | Leeds | what does a paperless office have to do with anything? |
| 20:32.41 | gregj | djb dns sux |
| 20:32.42 | gregj | :] |
| 20:33.11 | gregj | qmail is ok, i had no absolutly single problem with it |
| 20:33.30 | armijn | leeds: I think sweden and finland joined the EU so they could get "Brussels" as customer for their paper industry ;-) |
| 20:33.36 | gregj | and source code is so nice, i can change anything without looking for hours into to figureout where is what |
| 20:35.00 | Leeds | qmail is unusable - you have to apply more and more patched to do anything with it (because the license says that no-one can release a patched one) and it refuses to do anything the 'normal' way |
| 20:35.12 | Leeds | I really dislike qmail - I've been fighting with it for months |
| 20:35.21 | Leeds | if it's so nice, tell me one simple thing: |
| 20:35.46 | Leeds | without patching it, without dumping .qmail files - how do I get every incoming mail sent through spamassassin, with per-user settings? |
| 20:36.33 | gregj | dunno |
| 20:36.41 | gregj | :> |
| 20:38.39 | Leeds | no-one has been able to answer that question... I've been looking for an answer for months, and since this is on an active multi-user production system, I can't play too much, and I really don't like applying random patches |
| 20:39.07 | gregj | well, you have source code |
| 20:39.14 | gregj | their not "random" |
| 20:39.24 | gregj | (they are) |
| 20:39.52 | Leeds | they |
| 20:40.09 | Leeds | they're not random when they come from unoffical web sites and haven't been accepted into the core by the author? |
| 20:40.09 | Leeds | how so? |
| 20:40.34 | armijn | leeds: hobby horse? ;-) |
| 20:40.45 | Leeds | armijn: ? |
| 20:40.54 | gregj | anyway, both PLD (www.pld-linux.org) and debian (eveyone knows) packages are tested + patched well |
| 20:40.57 | armijn | leeds: well,is this riding your hobby horse? |
| 20:41.20 | Leeds | armijn: ah, yes... as I said - it's been annoying me for a long time, and no-one seems able to answer what seems like a simple question... |
| 20:41.52 | gregj | but indeed, qmail does only part of the job |
| 20:41.57 | Leeds | as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy to dump qmail-local (or all of qmail) and use procmail for delivery - easy to integrate spamassassin in that... but we have a couple of users who like qmail, and since they're used to it :-( |
| 20:42.06 | gregj | it simply works like smtp server, nothing more |
| 20:42.34 | armijn | smtp...still gotta dig deep into e-mail... |
| 20:42.40 | Leeds | it also delivers mail - that's the bit it'd like to replace |
| 20:42.48 | Leeds | the particular bit |
| 20:43.07 | gregj | well |
| 20:43.16 | gregj | i will say it differently, |
| 20:43.30 | Leeds | but I don't like administering it... the unix standard is that SIGHUP to a daemon means 'reload your configuration files' - how do I do that in qmail? |
| 20:43.49 | gregj | case : i need email server with virtual domains, www based administration of each domain and good www interface |
| 20:43.52 | gregj | i am using: |
| 20:44.02 | gregj | qmail+vpopmail+sqwebmail+qmailadmin |
| 20:44.14 | Leeds | gregj: do you have multiple users? or is this a personal machine? |
| 20:44.16 | gregj | find me something that will be so good, i am going to replace it:] |
| 20:44.24 | gregj | Leeds: 5 email servers |
| 20:44.41 | gregj | Leeds: each with few x100 domains |
| 20:44.52 | gregj | (each is owned by different ISP) |
| 20:45.02 | Leeds | I keep hearing good things about exim... and I've met the author and heard him speak about it, and he seems like a clever and sensible bloke - which counts for a lot when I choose software |
| 20:45.08 | Leeds | q.v. vim :-) |
| 20:45.43 | gregj | i like qmail becouse it is very secure too |
| 20:46.06 | gregj | exim is still better than sendmail in that matter |
| 20:46.08 | gregj | ;] |
| 20:46.21 | Leeds | so, answer my question, and I'll be happy |
| 20:46.23 | gregj | (or should i say in this subject) |
| 20:46.29 | Leeds | (or rather, my questions) |
| 20:46.33 | gregj | well, i said "dunno" |
| 20:46.38 | gregj | write email to djb |
| 20:47.03 | gregj | i have never seen so easy and clear server before |
| 20:47.13 | gregj | i am not saying - qmail is perfect |
| 20:47.21 | Leeds | arse |
| 20:47.25 | Leeds | FUCKING XCHAT |
| 20:47.39 | gregj | it lacks almost everything else beside smtp functionality |
| 20:47.43 | gregj | Leeds: use irssi |
| 20:47.44 | Leeds | how do I make qmail re-read configuration files without killing and manually restarting it? |
| 20:47.45 | armijn | you're not trying to blame xchat for your qmail problems are you? |
| 20:47.55 | gregj | Leeds: he ? |
| 20:48.06 | gregj | Leeds: some files he re-reads automaticaly |
| 20:48.10 | Leeds | blaming xchat for having a broken history... if you type a long line, then hit up, then down, you get a blank line |
| 20:48.32 | gregj | xchat is very poor |
| 20:48.45 | Leeds | gregj: rcpthosts? virtualdomains? |
| 20:48.56 | gregj | Leeds: seems to read on fly |
| 20:49.08 | gregj | Leeds: maybe i have patch that tells him to do so |
| 20:49.29 | gregj | but fe badmailto badmailfrom , i can update online |
| 20:49.35 | Leeds | I like a graphical IRC client - IRC is naturally multi-channel, and text makes that hard |
| 20:49.36 | gregj | no reboot required |
| 20:49.59 | armijn | leeds: then break up your lines? |
| 20:50.04 | Leeds | don't care about them - all I care about is rcpthosts and virtualdomains |
| 20:50.09 | gregj | Leeds: have you ever heard about word - consoles ? |
| 20:50.27 | gregj | Leeds: console based client god his own virtual "consoles", windows |
| 20:50.33 | gregj | Leeds: i can have as many as i want |
| 20:50.45 | Leeds | armijn: I'm not typing very long lines... but if I've typed 80 characters or so, it's annoying |
| 20:50.49 | gregj | this, operate on this chanell and talk to you in different window |
| 20:50.56 | gregj | s/this/thus/ |
| 20:51.10 | Leeds | gregj: you mean multiple connections to the server??? |
| 20:51.18 | gregj | Leeds: no |
| 20:51.24 | gregj | Leeds: multiple WINDOWS |
| 20:51.40 | gregj | i can have few channels , few server connections and so on |
| 20:51.46 | gregj | just a matter of configuration |
| 20:51.47 | armijn | (I think the subject has switched from mailservers to irc clients) |
| 20:51.51 | gregj | www.irssi.org :] |
| 20:52.03 | gregj | and it is console based, so i can leave it on screen |
| 20:52.15 | Leeds | armijn: I still hate qmail and no-one has helped me with it yet... |
| 20:52.29 | Leeds | but I like xchat apart from this one thing... maybe I should fix it |
| 20:52.37 | armijn | leeds: you hate qmail, you hate xchat... |
| 20:52.52 | Leeds | flowers? |
| 20:52.58 | armijn | yeah, peace man! |
| 20:53.03 | gregj | Leeds: maybe we should start to thing about rewriting something that will be as clear as qmail ( i mean, source, fact that it is splited into separate programs) |
| 20:53.37 | gregj | Leeds: it is very nice, becouse you can always split design/implementation job between few people |
| 20:53.50 | gregj | Leeds: one does something, other different part |
| 20:53.57 | Leeds | gregj: I don't want it split into multiple programs like qmail is... I don't really see the point in that - I don't mind it forking and execing to deliver mail, but multiple daemons??? ugh |
| 20:54.21 | gregj | well, reason behind spliting is simple |
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| 20:54.42 | gregj | first it can work on cluster (you always saying to me that X is more scalable than Y) |
| 20:54.47 | gregj | you're |
| 20:54.59 | gregj | second - it is more secure |
| 20:55.04 | armijn | leeds: music from 70s german pr0n movies? |
| 20:55.06 | gregj | separate priviliges |
| 20:55.17 | gregj | and third - it is very clean |
| 20:55.27 | gregj | armijn: rotfl |
| 20:56.00 | armijn | gregj: you'd be surprised, but I've actually seen records of it...great easy listening music |
| 20:56.09 | gregj | i dislike sendmail becouse it is a huge program that does everything |
| 20:56.17 | gregj | + its source is so bad |
| 20:56.18 | armijn | postfix? |
| 20:56.40 | gregj | well, postfix is little bit better |
| 20:56.46 | gregj | i like exim my self |
| 20:56.58 | gregj | but when i have to choose, qmail is always best |
| 20:57.06 | Leeds | qmail is a completely separate subsystem - it's designed to be apart from everything else on the system. that's wrong - it's not the unix way |
| 20:57.20 | gregj | i don't have to worry that somebody will find next sec. hole in it |
| 20:57.38 | armijn | ehr, may we quote you on that? |
| 20:57.45 | gregj | Leeds: well, you can follow the same approach - bit do it in unix way |
| 20:58.09 | gregj | (like king used to sing 'i did it myyy way') |
| 20:58.09 | Leeds | armijn: quote who? |
| 20:58.25 | armijn | leeds: gregj of course |
| 20:58.28 | gregj | armijn: ;) |
| 20:58.34 | gregj | armijn: on what ? |
| 20:58.43 | armijn | my way...wasn't that Sid Vicious ;-) |
| 20:58.55 | gregj | no, Elvis Presley |
| 20:59.06 | armijn | gregj: that you don't have to worry that someone will find a security hole |
| 20:59.11 | Leeds | that's the point - I don't want to do it my way - djb does... I want to do it the unix way - the way proven over the past 30 years to be a good way to run servers |
| 20:59.26 | armijn | heh, sid vicious did "my way", frank sinatra did it... |
| 20:59.58 | Leeds | armijn: there's not been a release of qmail in years, and there's no sign that there will ever be another one, AFAIK... so if there are holes, they're staying open |
| 21:00.22 | gregj | Leeds: but still , you cannot say spliting program to make each part functional it self as standalone piece of soft is not a unix approach |
| 21:00.53 | gregj | Leeds: unix way - jigsaw |
| 21:01.13 | Leeds | not when the whole thing does one job - you don't use multiple daemons for something as simple as SMTP |
| 21:02.55 | gregj | well |
| 21:02.59 | gregj | yes and no |
| 21:03.07 | gregj | smtp deamon does many things |
| 21:03.34 | gregj | fe, it will be nice to have something that can split .eml format into some pieces |
| 21:03.47 | Leeds | no, it really wouldn't |
| 21:03.48 | gregj | fe, derrive attachments and save them |
| 21:03.49 | gregj | and so on |
| 21:03.53 | Leeds | that's nothing to do with smtp |
| 21:04.06 | gregj | i think about email service |
| 21:04.09 | gregj | not about smtp |
| 21:04.34 | Leeds | right |
| 21:04.37 | gregj | smtp have to be close to pop3, imap and goes knowswhat else |
| 21:04.45 | Leeds | but qmail doesn't do email services... it just does smtp |
| 21:04.50 | Leeds | bullshit! |
| 21:04.52 | gregj | look, have you ever seen novell email |
| 21:05.11 | Leeds | qmail does SMTP and delivery... you can use whatever pop server or imap server or whatever server you want with it! |
| 21:05.24 | gregj | depends |
| 21:05.25 | Leeds | don't care about novell email - is that a normal unix package? |
| 21:05.42 | gregj | unix - in good meaning :] |
| 21:06.29 | gregj | so, you say that qmail does not see what is in email |
| 21:06.54 | gregj | he just gets that he gets between data\n and \n.\n |
| 21:07.00 | Leeds | <gregj> i dislike sendmail becouse it is a huge program that does everything |
| 21:07.01 | gregj | what he |
| 21:07.23 | gregj | well, sendmail does everything |
| 21:07.28 | Leeds | right - the MTA shouldn't care what's between data and . |
| 21:07.31 | gregj | what is email related |
| 21:07.38 | gregj | he should |
| 21:07.45 | Leeds | but I want it to be able to run *external* filters - pipe in, pipe out... not multiple persistent parts of the SMTP server |
| 21:07.56 | gregj | just fe becouse nowdays we have antiV and antispam soft |
| 21:07.58 | gregj | that cares |
| 21:08.14 | Leeds | we use uw-imapd because it's so simple... we use uw-popd because it's simple... |
| 21:08.37 | Leeds | qmail's job is to accept mail and route it to a mailbox (or accept it locally and route it to another server) |
| 21:08.49 | Leeds | but it should know how to run in a pipeline - that's how unix things work! |
| 21:08.54 | gregj | MTA should be able to put thoughether email , if i will tell him that this is attachment, this is subject |
| 21:09.19 | gregj | Leeds: i will agree, pipe is good |
| 21:09.19 | Leeds | what? no! |
| 21:09.22 | Leeds | that's not an MTA |
| 21:09.29 | Leeds | that a MUA |
| 21:09.34 | gregj | right |
| 21:10.04 | gregj | well, they should be related or even the same pieces of code |
| 21:10.15 | gregj | but not the way sendmail is made |
| 21:10.23 | Leeds | and MUAs talk to MTAs with a standard protocol! they should be 100% separate pieces of code |
| 21:10.35 | gregj | argree |
| 21:10.38 | gregj | agree |
| 21:11.09 | gregj | ;) |
| 21:11.11 | Leeds | the current qmail package is 5 years old! |
| 21:11.22 | Leeds | it's fucking prehistoric! no wonder it's so unusable! |
| 21:11.29 | gregj | hehe |
| 21:11.40 | gregj | version changed from 1.0 to 1.03 ;0 |
| 21:11.51 | Leeds | there have been one or two advances in the world of e-mail in the past 5 years... |
| 21:12.04 | gregj | true |
| 21:12.36 | Leeds | no wonder qmail feels so painful - I'm used to working with current software, not archaic shit |
| 21:13.27 | Leeds | I'm a believer... |
| 21:13.34 | gregj | btw. mplayer is a very nice mp3 client |
| 21:14.09 | Leeds | indeed - I use xmms for local stuff, but mplayer on iPAQ or for headless use |
| 21:14.26 | Leeds | and I do use mplayer for playing on desktop machine sometimes... |
| 21:14.37 | Leeds | now mplayer - *that's* a true unix program :-) |
| 21:14.49 | gregj | no |
| 21:15.02 | gregj | true unix program is splited into lib and frontend ;) |
| 21:15.11 | gregj | like xine |
| 21:15.20 | gregj | faster and better for movies |
| 21:15.28 | Leeds | no faffing with GUI unless you want to... can be controlled remotely... everything on the command-line or in the config file |
| 21:15.43 | gregj | just like xine :] |
| 21:15.49 | Leeds | why do I need a GUI to play audio files? or videos, for that matter? |
| 21:15.51 | gregj | but true, mplayer is nice |
| 21:16.12 | Leeds | also, mplayer is a nice easy package to build and install :-) |
| 21:16.35 | gregj | apt-get install mplayer-i686 ;) |
| 21:16.38 | Leeds | armijn: gone into hiding? :-) |
| 21:16.44 | armijn | yeah |
| 21:16.48 | Leeds | configure ; make ; make install :-) |
| 21:16.53 | gregj | no |
| 21:17.01 | gregj | you forgot about make uninstall first |
| 21:17.13 | armijn | portinstall mplayer |
| 21:17.15 | Leeds | why? just install on top of old one... it's small enough that it's safe |
| 21:17.19 | armijn | and portupgrade mplayer |
| 21:18.01 | Leeds | I manage my system manually - by choice - don't let any software do it for me... |
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| 21:19.05 | gregj | away |
| 21:19.32 | armijn | leeds: in what sense? |
| 21:19.33 | Xiaoqi | Leeds: congrats! |
| 21:19.51 | armijn | leeds: as in, no more work for today, or stopped working today ;-) |
| 21:20.12 | Leeds | in the sense that my car went to the garage today, so I worked at home, and I just logged out of all the work machines I was logged into all day - not going to do any more work today |
| 21:20.39 | nasrat | Leeds: logged out or detached :) |
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| 21:20.48 | Leeds | logged out... not got that much state going right now |
| 21:21.40 | nasrat | Fair enough |
| 21:22.46 | new2unix | hi all. hope we're all ready for the big day tomorrow :) |
| 21:22.49 | Leeds | hmm... I can feel bass in my feet |
| 21:23.01 | skugg | who's going to the installfest? |
| 21:23.13 | Leeds | I'll go along... |
| 21:23.14 | new2unix | i am:) |
| 21:23.46 | nasrat | probably not |
| 21:24.44 | new2unix | why not, nasrat? |
| 21:25.34 | new2unix | a shell script a day keeps the doctors away. :d |
| 21:26.03 | new2unix | come along and share your linux knowledge |
| 21:27.01 | new2unix | isnt that what linux meets are all about? apart from the politics, beer drinking and other oddities that also go on most times :) |
| 21:27.22 | Leeds | new2unix: nah - it's the showing-off which is important... oh, and Jenson-baiting... |
| 21:28.57 | new2unix | didnt know there was much to show off in Linux. perhaps i should form a closer relationship with this box :) |
| 21:28.59 | nasrat | it's an installfest rather than a normal meet |
| 21:29.07 | Leeds | nasrat: not really |
| 21:29.11 | Leeds | the name is overused |
| 21:29.32 | Leeds | it really means people are more encouraged to bring machines along - it's more of a 'practical meet' than an installfest |
| 21:29.55 | new2unix | true |
| 21:30.17 | Leeds | but central London isn't a great place for that, IMHO |
| 21:30.47 | new2unix | its a University. |
| 21:31.01 | Leeds | what is? |
| 21:31.14 | new2unix | next door to the computer fairs. quite adequate if you asked me |
| 21:31.15 | armijn | I think I'll skip... |
| 21:31.24 | new2unix | the venue is |
| 21:31.35 | Leeds | new2unix: of course, I know... I've been going to GLLUG for over 4 years :-) |
| 21:31.59 | Leeds | but my point is that I'd not want to take my computer unless I drove... and I don't want to drive there |
| 21:32.00 | gregj | bash * lacks of "random" where is to play mp3 with it :] |
| 21:32.03 | gregj | (mplayer *) |
| 21:32.24 | Leeds | mplayer * -shuffle |
| 21:32.25 | nasrat | Problem is "practical" stuff I'd rather be doing is packaging/coding/devel stuff ... |
| 21:32.44 | Leeds | nasrat: GLLUG isn't really a coder/developer group |
| 21:32.47 | new2unix | nasrat, you can do that too :) |
| 21:33.14 | armijn | leeds: jenson-baiting? |
| 21:33.20 | armijn | leeds: not jenson-batting? |
| 21:33.30 | murble | Leeds: GLLUG is what we make it. |
| 21:33.53 | Leeds | murble: not really... |
| 21:34.13 | nasrat | Leeds: is the UG not really the focus then? |
| 21:34.33 | new2unix | Its an onomatopoeia. We are what we sound like. |
| 21:35.00 | Leeds | nasrat: hmm? my point is that most people are hobbyists and admins - not enough coders (and we're fragmented anyway) and certainly not enough coder-talkers |
| 21:35.33 | nasrat | Leeds: true, I'm trying to move away from admin :) |
| 21:35.51 | new2unix | basically, the coders amongst us are shy. they just lurk in the shaddos like ninja worriors. |
| 21:36.02 | Leeds | I've never been an admin... so unless someone has a talk on 'integrating spamassassin with qmail, while keeping one's hair' |
| 21:36.39 | Leeds | we could always do a hacking group... if we could agree on what to hack, what language to hack it in... :-) |
| 21:36.46 | new2unix | thats an interesting one. Leeds you offering to talk on that at the next oportunity? |
| 21:36.48 | murble | is anyone bringing along an access point tha can lie about tis mac address and nat? |
| 21:37.10 | Leeds | murble: no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:37.25 | Leeds | new2unix: nope - I'm offering to listen to it... since no-one seems to be able to do i |
| 21:37.31 | murble | Leeds: so we have wireless internet access tomrrow. |
| 21:37.37 | new2unix | we can build an access point. that shouldnt take too long :) |
| 21:38.32 | new2unix | we, could use one of the machines in the lab and somebody's pci wifi card (assuming somebody brings one along) |
| 21:38.35 | murble | new2unix: i was thinking of bringing along an celastix box |
| 21:40.31 | new2unix | are there any talks scheduled for tomorrow? |
| 21:40.35 | Leeds | I've tried to encourage iPAQ developers around London to come along... |
| 21:41.02 | murble | http://www.celestix.com |
| 21:41.37 | Leeds | cool |
| 21:41.47 | new2unix | nice site. |
| 21:42.09 | new2unix | looks really cool in konquror |
| 21:43.49 | murble | of course this celestix of works, runs debian/woody :) |
| 21:44.42 | Leeds | so... it's a PC running Debian? |
| 21:45.04 | armijn | beddy time...festival tomorrow, gotta leave early |
| 21:45.05 | armijn | cu! |
| 21:45.06 | *** part/#gllug armijn (~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl) |
| 21:45.52 | Leeds | new2unix: good! |
| 21:47.15 | new2unix | It isnt a problem but i got kinda spoit with Opera for windows. i miss the mouse tricks. Opera for nix is too heavy for my present needs. |
| 21:47.55 | new2unix | and i cant even login to my bank anymore. its little things like that that i'm missing. good thing i was never a gamer. |
| 21:48.16 | Leeds | hmm... have just encoded DVD-rip... with audio and video at same bitrate... |
| 21:48.17 | Leeds | oops |
| 21:48.46 | Leeds | which bank? lloyds-tsb works (or worked - not tried in a while) with lynx-ssl |
| 21:48.54 | new2unix | citibank. |
| 21:51.04 | Leeds | foreign, isn't it? |
| 21:51.07 | new2unix | had to change the browser identification to an "approved" one to let me login. but their heavy reliance on javascript and others make their site unusable on anything bt netscape or IE. |
| 21:51.43 | new2unix | foreign? dunno. been with them for nearly 5 years. Natwest was a pain so i jumped ship :) |
| 21:51.56 | Leeds | yanks, aren't they? |
| 21:52.35 | murble | Leeds: but it is small, and has pcmcia and 2 ethernet and things. |
| 21:52.43 | gregj | NWN is now for linux, just left beta stage |
| 21:53.07 | new2unix | i couldnt say. but one Michelle, who often answers the phone is indeed very nice to talk to. i often want to cook up a complaint just to hear her say "we are sorry". haha |
| 21:53.09 | murble | what would you gain from that? |
| 21:53.18 | gregj | where is about games for linux, nothing beats netris |
| 21:53.37 | gregj | in 95` this game was truly network tetris for two |
| 21:53.37 | new2unix | i dont think i've tried netris |
| 21:53.40 | Leeds | www.s2games.com/savage |
| 21:53.58 | gregj | new2unix: tetris for console (text more) |
| 21:54.00 | gregj | mode |
| 21:54.36 | new2unix | can you believe it? i actually have it installed already. talk about bloatware installs. LOL |
| 21:55.07 | gregj | netris? |
| 21:56.38 | Leeds | so, who's going shopping in an hour? |
| 21:57.02 | new2unix | haha, not me. |
| 21:57.13 | gregj | somebody from royal dock area :> |
| 21:57.28 | new2unix | i cycled in to work today. not going out again till tomorrow |
| 21:58.06 | new2unix | almost got squashed between a white van driver and a coach. yikes! |
| 21:58.16 | murble | Leeds: good point, is there a list of bookshops that will be open on the interweb? |
| 21:58.31 | Leeds | dunno... |
| 21:59.43 | skugg | apparently it's the longest day today... |
| 21:59.48 | new2unix | back in a tick. need to make install netris on a few machines here :) |
| 21:59.56 | gregj | hehe |
| 22:00.02 | gregj | new2unix: you want to play ? |
| 22:00.15 | gregj | new2unix: as long as you are not behind masquarde :] |
| 22:00.27 | murble | skugg: isn't that tomorrow? |
| 22:00.31 | new2unix | dunno how. just read the help file. sounds like i'm going to loose before i even start. hehe |
| 22:00.37 | skugg | murble, maybe. i'm not sure |
| 22:00.43 | murble | I know my paretns are at a summer party somewhere in .se |
| 22:00.45 | gregj | new2unix: it is tetris |
| 22:00.55 | murble | but i think they normally have it on the closest friday night... |
| 22:00.59 | new2unix | i know. i was crap at that too. lol |
| 22:00.59 | gregj | new2unix: don't tell me you've never played tetris before ? |
| 22:02.13 | skugg | murble, why are your parents in .se? |
| 22:04.14 | murble | skugg: 'cos they took a flight to stockholm this morning. |
| 22:04.38 | murble | and they are visiting friends and stuff. |
| 22:05.08 | new2unix | does anybody else smell a BBQ+house party? |
| 22:05.23 | gregj | new2unix: don't tell me |
| 22:05.39 | gregj | new2unix: my neighbours are doing bbq at this time saturdays |
| 22:05.54 | gregj | i can smell nothing else but roted carbon |
| 22:05.57 | gregj | or something like that |
| 22:05.58 | gregj | ble |
| 22:07.30 | gregj | http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/ogg.html |
| 22:07.32 | gregj | very nice |
| 22:07.35 | gregj | ogg :] |
| 22:07.46 | gregj | we love them allready, do we ? |
| 22:09.02 | gregj | but mplayer does not |
| 22:09.10 | gregj | fcuk |
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| 22:16.57 | zachary | bluebeard: wb |
| 22:17.09 | bluebeard | wb? |
| 22:17.18 | zachary | welcome back |
| 22:17.20 | Leeds | welcome back |
| 22:17.20 | gregj | re |
| 22:17.21 | bluebeard | why bother? |
| 22:17.25 | gregj | ;) |
| 22:17.28 | bluebeard | thank you |
| 22:17.32 | gregj | wazzza brother |
| 22:17.41 | bluebeard | It's good to be back. |
| 22:17.58 | bluebeard | I now understand why chicken tikka masala is the most ordered dish in England |
| 22:18.10 | gregj | is it ? |
| 22:18.15 | gregj | why ? |
| 22:18.19 | bluebeard | So I hear. So I hear. |
| 22:18.35 | gregj | it is becouse there is more indians here than english :] |
| 22:18.44 | gregj | (just jokeing) |
| 22:18.58 | bluebeard | The traditional preparation of the meal has meat, grain, vegetables and more grain. |
| 22:19.00 | zachary | before I quit this evening, does anyone want me to burn a set of discs for tomarrow? |
| 22:19.40 | bluebeard | zachary, you say there is an internet connection at the library? |
| 22:19.49 | Leeds | zachary: what? |
| 22:19.51 | bluebeard | s/library/university |
| 22:20.14 | murble | bluebeard: there normally is, via windows machines. |
| 22:20.32 | zachary | yes, the uni just moved two of the labs, so I don't know about the availability yet. |
| 22:20.33 | murble | if you plug stuff in you have to lie about your mac address, e.g. make it the same as the thing you're replacing, dhcp and it just works (tm) |
| 22:20.41 | bluebeard | I wanted to get ahold of a 60MB file, not really worth burning. |
| 22:20.48 | gregj | whatch |
| 22:20.58 | Leeds | zachary: what do you need? |
| 22:21.19 | murble | well as i said if i'm motivated enough i'll bring along a celastix box. |
| 22:21.49 | bluebeard | http://www.w-m-p.com/software/pocketworkstation/zaurus-debian-big-v0.15.tgz |
| 22:21.53 | zachary | Leeds: I don't need cd's burned, I was just offering a service. |
| 22:22.36 | bluebeard | But I can download that so long as the Windows machines allow attaching USB drives. |
| 22:22.57 | Leeds | ah, read "me to burn" as "to burn for me" |
| 22:23.10 | bluebeard | And even if they don't.. there's always knoppix |
| 22:23.11 | murble | bluebeard: being a uni they're probably pretty much locked down. |
| 22:23.37 | bluebeard | murble, proxied web access? anyone know? |
| 22:23.49 | murble | it was proxied last time. |
| 22:23.59 | bluebeard | bastards. |
| 22:24.17 | bluebeard | they make the students tunnel for porn, eh? |
| 22:24.58 | zachary | Leeds: lol |
| 22:25.17 | bluebeard | actually the URL was: http://www.w-m-p.com/software/pocketworkstation/crow+deb-rom-20030303.zip |
| 22:26.05 | zachary | bluebeard: Do you need the zaurus-debian-big-v0.15.tgz? |
| 22:26.13 | new2unix | hi zachary |
| 22:26.21 | zachary | evening new2unix |
| 22:26.33 | bluebeard | no.. I'm not really sure now. bring them both if you're going to burn them. |
| 22:26.48 | new2unix | i'm after a disro called F.I.R.E. I'll go look for the url. |
| 22:26.58 | new2unix | distro |
| 22:27.28 | zachary | new2unix: Tarragon downloaded it this afternoon. I do have a copy just in case he forgets. |
| 22:27.40 | zachary | v 0.4a latest of sf.net. |
| 22:28.10 | bluebeard | zachary, just wget the whole directory. |
| 22:28.22 | bluebeard | (if you please) |
| 22:32.57 | bluebeard | Oh, this is good. From dell.co.uk: |
| 22:32.59 | bluebeard | Q4. Will the product(s) be used in connection with weapons of mass destruction, i.e. nuclear applications, missile technology, or chemical or biological weapons purposes? |
| 22:33.12 | bluebeard | Uh.. Yes. |
| 22:33.16 | skugg | lol |
| 22:33.20 | bluebeard | I mean no. NO! |
| 22:33.52 | Leeds | weapons of mass distraction |
| 22:34.57 | skugg | ooohyeah. |
| 22:34.57 | skugg | seen the picks? |
| 22:34.57 | skugg | s,k,, |
| 22:34.57 | new2unix | weapons of mass debate tion |
| 22:34.57 | bluebeard | We lol now, but there may come a day when such a questionaire asks: Will you install GNU/Linux or other terrorist operating systems that do not follow the UN DMCA |
| 22:34.57 | skugg | weapons of mas(s)turbation |
| 22:34.57 | gregj | new2unix: have you seen this commercial, airlines :] |
| 22:35.20 | Leeds | get the most surreal spam: "Eight Cents a Day for Septic Tank Maintenance" |
| 22:35.20 | bluebeard | And when they came for me, there was no one else left to help. |
| 22:35.38 | Leeds | bluebeard: there's a lot of difference |
| 22:36.13 | bluebeard | Leeds, difference between what? |
| 22:36.32 | skugg | Leeds, i got that too! it's the first spam in _ages_ to get through bogofilter... |
| 22:36.39 | Leeds | between being taken away and killed and being asked if you're going to use a particular piece of software |
| 22:36.50 | Leeds | skugg: got 4.6/5.0 on SA |
| 22:37.34 | skugg | i've stopped using SA. bogofilter takes it all at much less load... |
| 22:37.58 | Leeds | well... if I could get SA to integrate with qmail properly... or rather, the other way around |
| 22:37.59 | skugg | this way my machine is still usable, even when i download mail |
| 22:38.03 | Leeds | I'd be happy |
| 22:38.06 | skugg | and yes, i was using spamc/spamd |
| 22:38.14 | new2unix | i use procmail only. its good enough for my present needs :) |
| 22:38.25 | skugg | new2unix, procmail -> bogofilter here. |
| 22:38.29 | skugg | it rocks :) |
| 22:38.48 | Leeds | skugg: spamd has had 7 minutes of CPU time in over 54 days of uptime - I can live with that :-) |
| 22:38.53 | skugg | bogofilter catches about 200 spams a week here |
| 22:39.31 | skugg | Leeds, it's okay if you leave your machine on all the time. it's not okay if you, as me, leave it off at night and need to deal with 30-40 mails in the morning... |
| 22:39.39 | Leeds | SA catches about that many a week for me... but there's 25 users on the machine |
| 22:40.09 | skugg | SA brings the machine to a halt then for 15 minutes or something... with bogofilter it is barely noticable. and it catches it all anyway :P |
| 22:40.12 | Leeds | ah, well - machine going off overnight is a broken model :-) |
| 22:40.26 | skugg | Leeds, it's necessary when you live in one room |
| 22:40.28 | new2unix | true |
| 22:40.49 | skugg | Leeds, it's not really off though... it's a laptop, so it's only in suspend. |
| 22:40.59 | skugg | takes 5 secs to bring it back to life :) |
| 22:41.12 | Leeds | SA should run on the server anyway... |
| 22:41.19 | new2unix | 5mins is a long time in computer years. lol |
| 22:41.50 | Leeds | new2unix: sure... but not in the scheme of things |
| 22:42.31 | new2unix | Oops! was that 5 secs? i swear it said 5 mins just a minute ago. |
| 22:43.25 | new2unix | leeds did you say you wanted to play netris? |
| 22:43.35 | new2unix | who was it? |
| 22:43.36 | Leeds | nope, savaga |
| 22:44.05 | gregj | new2unix: i want to |
| 22:44.07 | gregj | :] |
| 22:44.12 | zachary | I'm off to get my beauty sleep. (yes, I know, it would take a century to make any imporvements) |
| 22:44.44 | new2unix | haha. nite zachary |
| 22:46.24 | bluebeard | death is natures way of telling you to turn off the computer |
| 22:46.44 | new2unix | who's died bluebeard? |
| 22:46.57 | Leeds | ITYM dawm |
| 22:46.59 | Leeds | dawn |
| 22:47.03 | bluebeard | I feel like I will if I don't go to sleep soon. |
| 22:47.39 | bluebeard | must.. download.. more.. porn |
| 22:49.00 | skugg | heh |
| 22:49.35 | bluebeard | Okay, I'm really debating whether buying an XBOX for use as a Linux PC is such a good idea. |
| 22:50.05 | murble | bluebeard: how much does it cost to solder on a vga connector, and fix the bios? |
| 22:50.11 | murble | s/cost/& effort/ |
| 22:50.52 | skugg | bluebeard, it's fucking noisy. |
| 22:51.00 | bluebeard | The bios can be fixed for about 20£ I think. Don't they have a digital out? |
| 22:51.28 | bluebeard | Noisy fan? Like audiable noise? |
| 22:52.29 | skugg | bluebeard, yeah. very very loud. |
| 22:52.39 | bluebeard | The computer I'm using now has a warbling fan. They can deal with a little noise. |
| 22:52.40 | skugg | my housemate has one |
| 22:52.48 | skugg | i can hear it in the next room... |
| 22:52.58 | bluebeard | Oh, and it starts bleeping when the CPU overheats. |
| 22:53.19 | bluebeard | Is the fan variable speed? |
| 22:53.32 | murble | skugg: you've not offered to convert it to linux? |
| 22:53.32 | bluebeard | On the XBOX I mean. |
| 22:53.52 | murble | (and maybe accidently break it in the proccess thus ceasing the noise) |
| 22:55.57 | skugg | murble, he's already done it himself... |
| 22:56.18 | skugg | bluebeard, fuck if i know. |
| 22:58.56 | gregj | Leeds: |
| 22:59.06 | murble | skugg: broken it, or converted it to run linux? |
| 23:00.01 | skugg | murble, the latter |
| 23:03.55 | bluebeard | skugg, did your roommate solder on a VGA connector? |
| 23:04.11 | skugg | bluebeard, doubt it |
| 23:04.30 | bluebeard | skugg, so just the modchip then? |
| 23:05.21 | skugg | yeah |
| 23:08.35 | new2unix | nite all |
| 23:08.37 | *** part/#gllug new2unix (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-140.zen.co.uk) |
| 23:17.59 | *** part/#gllug bluebeard (~chatzilla@host213-122-129-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:43.14 | Xiaoqi | nn all |