| 00:24.29 | gregj | ziaf |
| 00:26.22 | Leeds | bad move |
| 00:28.37 | gregj | Leeds: why ? |
| 00:28.42 | gregj | i know gnome (gtk) |
| 00:28.49 | gregj | i want to code something in KDE |
| 00:28.55 | gregj | so i have to learn it first |
| 00:29.03 | Leeds | KDE = C++ + ugly stuff = big ugly stuff |
| 00:29.25 | gregj | c++ in gcc 3 is bit (like 40%) faster ;) |
| 00:30.09 | Leeds | still big... and the QT and KDE stuff is very big and ugly |
| 00:30.45 | Leeds | as I understand it... |
| 00:32.43 | gregj | qt is very nice |
| 00:32.53 | gregj | have you ever tried gtk++ or MFC ? |
| 00:33.06 | gregj | i had to use this crap (rubbish, sorry - i forgot UK) ;) |
| 00:33.20 | gregj | and work on application using MFC fe |
| 00:33.33 | gregj | than using qt and KDE libs is real pleasure |
| 00:33.39 | gregj | documentation for everything |
| 00:33.41 | gregj | detailed |
| 00:34.04 | Leeds | I don't do C++ |
| 00:34.10 | gregj | me too |
| 00:34.11 | Leeds | I do C... shell... python |
| 00:34.15 | gregj | python sux |
| 00:34.22 | gregj | i do C, perl, shell |
| 00:34.23 | Leeds | and I sure as fuck don't do MFC |
| 00:34.39 | gregj | mFC is windows crap |
| 00:34.42 | gregj | real crap |
| 00:34.53 | gregj | i've never seen such a bad design and implementation |
| 00:35.00 | gregj | (there are sources of MFC avaliable) |
| 00:37.27 | Leeds | I don't do windows. at all. |
| 00:38.18 | gregj | i lived from developing windows applications for over 3 years |
| 00:38.22 | gregj | i know it inside out |
| 00:38.27 | gregj | that is why i don't use it :] |
| 00:38.46 | Leeds | I've never had to stoop that low |
| 00:38.49 | gregj | Leeds: you will know, is bash -r and rbash are doing the same ? |
| 00:39.01 | gregj | Leeds: lucky you |
| 00:39.25 | Leeds | what is rbash? |
| 00:40.07 | gregj | gj@nalesnik:~$ ls -l /bin/rbash |
| 00:40.08 | gregj | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jun 8 14:11 /bin/rbash -> bash |
| 00:40.23 | gregj | you cannot afaik add in /etc/passwd bash -r |
| 00:40.23 | Leeds | RTFM, man |
| 00:40.29 | gregj | restrictive bash |
| 00:40.30 | Leeds | " If bash is started with the name rbash, or the -r option is supplied at invocation"... |
| 00:40.58 | gregj | Leeds: o, i just wanted to ask somebody that knows bash better than i do |
| 00:41.10 | gregj | i don't like "rtfm" :/ |
| 00:41.13 | Leeds | I don't know it all that well... I just know how to read man pages |
| 00:42.12 | Leeds | I've never had a need to think about restricted bash - so I don't know anythnig about it |
| 00:42.35 | Leeds | from an autoconf-configure script: "checking for libegg... needs libchicken" |
| 00:43.13 | gregj | hehe |
| 00:43.21 | gregj | is it real thing ? |
| 00:44.01 | Leeds | nah - it's a joke |
| 00:44.32 | gregj | well, it is funny |
| 00:44.41 | gregj | becouse rbash does what bash do |
| 00:44.51 | gregj | no restrictions at all |
| 00:44.59 | gregj | (at least not those listed on man page |
| 00:45.00 | gregj | ) |
| 00:46.08 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:/usr/include/bits$ bash -r |
| 00:46.08 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:/usr/include/bits$ cd .. |
| 00:46.08 | Leeds | bash: cd: restricted |
| 00:46.27 | Leeds | ichardc@bigboy:/usr/include/bits$ export PATH=$PATH:/foo |
| 00:46.27 | Leeds | bash: PATH: readonly variable |
| 00:46.34 | gregj | gj@nalesnik:~$ bash -r |
| 00:46.34 | gregj | bash: SHELL: readonly variable |
| 00:46.34 | gregj | bash: PATH: readonly variable |
| 00:46.34 | gregj | bash: dircolors: No such file or directory |
| 00:46.34 | gregj | gj@nalesnik:~$ cd / |
| 00:46.36 | gregj | bash: cd: restricted |
| 00:46.48 | gregj | works allright |
| 00:46.51 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:/usr/include/bits$ ls > /tmp/foo |
| 00:46.52 | Leeds | bash: /tmp/foo: restricted: cannot redirect output |
| 00:46.57 | Leeds | I don't have rbash |
| 00:47.04 | gregj | but i got line in gj@nalesnik:~$ cat /etc/passwd|grep rbash |
| 00:47.04 | gregj | uded:x:1005:1005:,,,:/home/uded:/bin/rbash |
| 00:47.22 | gregj | gj@nalesnik:~$ su - uded |
| 00:47.22 | gregj | Password: |
| 00:47.22 | gregj | uded@nalesnik:~$ cd . |
| 00:47.22 | gregj | uded@nalesnik:~$ cd / |
| 00:47.22 | gregj | uded@nalesnik:/$ |
| 00:47.26 | gregj | doesn't work |
| 00:47.31 | gregj | wtf |
| 00:47.36 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:~$ rbash |
| 00:47.36 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:~$ cd / |
| 00:47.36 | Leeds | rbash: cd: restricted |
| 00:47.36 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:~$ ls > /tmp/foo |
| 00:47.36 | Leeds | rbash: /tmp/foo: restricted: cannot redirect output |
| 00:47.44 | Leeds | I blame your broken Debian system myself... |
| 00:47.56 | gregj | add a user with shell rbash |
| 00:48.02 | gregj | and we going to blame slackware :] |
| 00:48.10 | gregj | s/we/we're/ |
| 00:48.41 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:~$ cd / |
| 00:48.41 | Leeds | rbash: cd: restricted |
| 00:48.49 | gregj | hmm |
| 00:48.54 | Leeds | works perfectly - this is after changing richardc's shell, logging out and in again |
| 00:49.05 | gregj | shit |
| 00:49.22 | gregj | i am going to try on stable version |
| 00:50.47 | gregj | test123@jackie:~$ cd / |
| 00:50.47 | gregj | rbash: cd: restricted |
| 00:50.51 | gregj | works fine on stable |
| 00:51.04 | Leeds | richardc@bigboy:/$ echo $BASH_VERSION |
| 00:51.04 | Leeds | echo $BASH_VERSION |
| 00:51.05 | Leeds | 2.04.0(1)-release |
| 00:51.08 | Leeds | for what it's worth |
| 00:51.27 | gregj | uded@nalesnik:/$ echo $BASH_VERSION |
| 00:51.27 | gregj | 2.05b.0(1)-release |
| 01:01.06 | gregj | well, it is time to tryout debians bug reporting system |
| 01:01.07 | gregj | again |
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| 07:40.25 | JD | hi all |
| 07:49.12 | murb | morning JD |
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| 08:15.38 | SPQR | hell o |
| 08:24.31 | gregj | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1072793,00.asp |
| 08:47.43 | SPQR | interesting |
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| 09:08.13 | SPQR | mornin' |
| 09:29.00 | zachary | bbl |
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| 11:02.44 | SPQR | hey sash |
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| 11:27.52 | sash | wb |
| 11:29.54 | zachary | eye69: Any good news? |
| 11:30.09 | zachary | hey sash. |
| 11:30.35 | sash | Bonjour zach. |
| 11:38.52 | eye69 | zachary: More like bad news. Was turned down. |
| 11:40.43 | zachary | I know how that feels, any other prospects? |
| 11:42.10 | eye69 | Nope. |
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| 11:44.44 | zachary | brb |
| 12:29.17 | zachary | bbl |
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| 13:58.38 | pdr | Party at Pete's Place - 12 July. Mail Pete for details. |
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| 14:18.49 | dankolb | Morning |
| 14:33.01 | sash | Aargh, the light is very bright. Isn't that trite? |
| 14:34.34 | sash | n |
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| 16:26.40 | resuDaed | anyone around? |
| 16:26.57 | resuDaed | and able to give me a hand with a kernel compile? |
| 16:27.04 | resuDaed | (or finishing one) |
| 16:27.09 | chrisa | what's up? |
| 16:27.51 | resuDaed | not sure ... where are the modues put after make modules |
| 16:28.06 | resuDaed | I am guessing in the arch/<arch>/kernel dir? |
| 16:28.29 | dankolb | You mant to run 'make modules_install' |
| 16:28.33 | chrisa | they're all over the place |
| 16:28.49 | resuDaed | I am compiling on a dual P4 for a much lesser machine, and there isn't a huge amount of bandwidth between the two |
| 16:29.07 | chrisa | when you do make modules_install (as dankolb says) they end up in /lib/modules/$version/kernel/$places |
| 16:29.15 | resuDaed | so I need to copy only the files I need |
| 16:29.28 | chrisa | or you can say something like make modules_install MOD_INST_DIR=/some/where |
| 16:29.38 | chrisa | (i *think* it's MOD_INST_DIR) |
| 16:30.15 | chrisa | no, it's not: INSTALL_MOD_PATH |
| 16:30.24 | resuDaed | so if I do that on the machine that has compiled, to a temp directory, scp that dir over into /lib/modules/$ver/kernel/....... |
| 16:30.37 | chrisa | yep, that's it |
| 16:31.24 | resuDaed | (there is only a 128k line between the two, I'll be waiting all day to copy the whole tree ;-)) |
| 16:31.39 | chrisa | heh. not fun, especially a built tree... |
| 16:32.38 | resuDaed | the dest machine already has the source tree, so I thought why not just copy built files |
| 16:32.47 | chrisa | rsync? |
| 16:32.59 | resuDaed | be nice if it could breech the firewall :-) |
| 16:33.07 | chrisa | rsync-over-ssh? :) |
| 16:33.31 | resuDaed | am I wrong in asuming I just need the bzImage and modules copied accross? |
| 16:33.43 | chrisa | you should have System.map too |
| 16:33.52 | chrisa | but things will mostly-work without that |
| 16:34.02 | resuDaed | chuck it in /boot ? |
| 16:34.11 | chrisa | i believe so |
| 16:35.48 | resuDaed | am getting a depmod: - unresolved symbols on the modules_install |
| 16:36.32 | resuDaed | all sound card related (not a neccessity, but a fatal error none the less) |
| 16:36.44 | chrisa | on the box where you're building? |
| 16:36.49 | resuDaed | eah |
| 16:36.52 | resuDaed | s/eah/yeah |
| 16:37.13 | chrisa | hmm, i wonder if the invocation of depmod -ae takes INSTALL_MOD_PATH into account... |
| 16:37.46 | resuDaed | is there a nice --forceandforgetdepmoderrors parameter or something? |
| 16:38.04 | chrisa | it does the depmod last, so your modules should be already installed |
| 16:38.35 | resuDaed | it doesn't seem so, it has created the directory (/tmp/modules), but it is empty |
| 16:39.21 | resuDaed | there shouldn't be a huge amount of modules, it is a very small kernel, mostly alll built int |
| 16:40.07 | resuDaed | how likley is it that I'll get a boot without the modules? |
| 16:40.44 | chrisa | you need just enough to mount root |
| 16:40.58 | chrisa | so - driver for the root disk and root filesystem |
| 16:41.36 | resuDaed | hould be compiled in already |
| 16:42.02 | chrisa | right, in which case all you should have to mess with later is sound and stuff. |
| 16:44.15 | resuDaed | don't really need sound anyway |
| 16:45.57 | dankolb | Hi Axel |
| 16:46.04 | Axel | hi dan |
| 16:46.14 | dankolb | How's it going? |
| 16:46.30 | Axel | good :D just too much work and too little time for bbqs |
| 16:46.45 | Axel | how are you mate? |
| 16:47.02 | dankolb | I need to find a job |
| 16:47.44 | Axel | hehe - what happend to your old one? |
| 16:47.56 | dankolb | Got made redundant |
| 16:48.12 | Axel | :( |
| 16:48.31 | Axel | what kinda job r u looking for? |
| 16:48.42 | resuDaed | be back soon (hopefully not running from a resuce disk :-)) |
| 16:49.23 | dankolb | Sysadmin |
| 16:49.30 | Axel | :) |
| 16:49.46 | dankolb | So if you know of anyone who wants one... |
| 16:50.15 | Axel | i want one but can't afford to pay a permanent position atm :'( |
| 16:54.10 | dankolb | What about part-time? |
| 16:54.35 | dankolb | How much can you afford, though? |
| 16:54.52 | Axel | i should be able to afford two things after July |
| 16:55.14 | Axel | 1) pay someone to set-up a webbased admin system (i.e. for adding new domains, users, etc - internal only) |
| 16:55.28 | Axel | 2) pay someone to do basic sys admin tasks on the servers |
| 16:56.16 | Axel | i've got about £1000 planned in for point (1) and something around £300 pcm for (2) - dunno how realistic this is though |
| 16:57.25 | dankolb | £300/month isn't much, really :) |
| 16:57.36 | dankolb | £400/week translates to around £20k/year |
| 16:58.19 | Axel | yeah, but then there shouldn't be that much work to do... how much would you take on a - say - 2 days work per month basis? |
| 16:59.49 | dankolb | Well, Causeway was paying me the equivalent of about £80/day |
| 17:00.15 | Axel | that's like £160 per month based on two days work :) |
| 17:00.40 | dankolb | Yes, so if you'd like to pay more... :) |
| 17:00.56 | dankolb | But I'm not sure how easy it'd be to work if I've got another job |
| 17:04.56 | Axel | well, provided the system is set-up well in the beginning and the admin front-end (the webbased config business) is running OK, there shouldn't really be that much work to do. Maybe checking on bugs, general system health and emergencies really. |
| 17:05.47 | Jenson | hey guys |
| 17:06.02 | dankolb | Yeah. That's basically what I do to this server |
| 17:07.21 | SPQR | heya |
| 17:08.14 | Jenson | heya |
| 17:08.39 | Axel | hi |
| 17:10.04 | Jenson | fsckiing slackware |
| 17:11.00 | Jenson | dinner time |
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| 17:15.13 | SPQR | resuBitch: I got a newer mop[ed today!!:P |
| 17:15.46 | resuBitch | SPQR: How'd you manage that? Lucky :P |
| 17:17.25 | SPQR | naa, the other 1 was junked after the exhaust went |
| 17:18.41 | resuBitch | not too expensive are there? |
| 17:18.47 | resuBitch | they even |
| 17:21.10 | SPQR | the exhausts are, but the moped was screwed so the new exhast couldn't be fitted |
| 17:24.50 | SPQR | google seems to be down right now... |
| 17:24.58 | SPQR | ibot: google for food |
| 17:25.41 | SPQR | wb :) |
| 17:25.44 | Jenson | ty |
| 17:25.46 | Jenson | Heya Beth |
| 17:26.04 | SPQR | hmm... ibot uses google.co.uk :F |
| 17:26.08 | SPQR | *:D |
| 17:26.24 | resuBitch | Jenson: Hiya |
| 17:37.52 | resuBitch | Jenson: Howz you? |
| 17:41.45 | Jenson | alright |
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| 18:32.13 | Jenson | heya Leeds |
| 18:32.19 | Leeds | hey |
| 18:38.24 | skugg | hey |
| 18:43.33 | Leeds | mmm... falafel |
| 18:45.16 | dankolb | I'm off. If I'm not back tonight, see you in a couple of weeks |
| 18:45.48 | Leeds | off to? |
| 18:45.58 | dankolb | Poland |
| 18:46.04 | Leeds | enjoy |
| 18:46.06 | skugg | have fun |
| 18:46.08 | dankolb | I'll try :) |
| 18:46.18 | Leeds | holiday? |
| 18:46.44 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 18:48.22 | Leeds | wouldn't be my first choice, but still... :-) |
| 18:48.50 | dankolb | There's some nice areas. |
| 18:54.39 | skugg | Leeds, cheap, i bet ;) |
| 18:54.55 | Leeds | true' |
| 18:54.55 | Jenson | Dan's mother is Polish |
| 18:55.07 | Jenson | or however you spell it |
| 18:56.31 | skugg | Jenson, i seemed to remember he had some polish family, yeah |
| 18:56.43 | skugg | couldn't remember if it was mom or dad though |
| 18:56.57 | Jenson | skugg: Yeh, well I did date him |
| 18:57.31 | skugg | Jenson, i suspected as much |
| 18:57.50 | Jenson | heh dont you remember |
| 18:58.28 | skugg | i don't think i've had anyone tell me, but i gathered as much from conversations here... |
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| 19:15.29 | murb | maybe he is just invading poland, maybe world war 3 is beginning? |
| 19:16.00 | Jenson | he's cute |
| 19:35.34 | zachary | bbl |
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| 20:00.07 | Jenson | grrr whoos here? |
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| 20:05.05 | Jenson | zero_the_hero: D you know the exit comand for vim |
| 20:05.15 | Jenson | ooops wrong cxhannel lol |
| 20:10.21 | Leeds | :q |
| 20:10.23 | Leeds | or ZZ |
| 20:10.55 | Leeds | or along those lines |
| 20:11.21 | Jenson | lol yeha |
| 20:11.26 | Jenson | i knew it hadnt forgotten it |
| 20:11.40 | Jenson | wouldnt have been trying to use console if KDE wasnt so buggy |
| 20:12.06 | Leeds | I live in vim |
| 20:12.14 | Jenson | i cant use it |
| 20:12.17 | Jenson | i dont get it |
| 20:12.44 | Jenson | now it wont unmount the fscking floppy |
| 20:13.13 | Jenson | p,lus its says the disk is blank, which it better not be |
| 20:13.14 | Leeds | I've got 7 vims running at work right now |
| 20:13.46 | Leeds | I don't use floppies... |
| 20:14.11 | Jenson | fuck what i wouldnt give for a working win system for a second |
| 20:14.19 | Jenson | Bloody linux is being a pain shouldnt have upgraded |
| 20:18.38 | Jenson | oh well |
| 20:18.45 | Jenson | I'll BBS |
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| 20:19.27 | gregj | Leeds: :] |
| 20:22.10 | Leeds | yeah, what? |
| 20:23.35 | gregj | nothing :/ |
| 20:23.39 | gregj | just wanted to say HI |
| 20:23.57 | gregj | :\ |
| 20:25.53 | Leeds | well, you said it... |
| 20:25.57 | Leeds | happy now? |
| 20:31.55 | Leeds | I dunno |
| 20:33.34 | Leeds | ah, lovely... the sound of sewerage clearance equipment on a warm summer evening |
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| 21:08.01 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.10 | skugg | have you seen this? --> http://www.magma.com.ni/~jorge/spamassassin.html |
| 21:08.17 | skugg | how to use spamassassin with qmail... |
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| 21:25.16 | Leeds | skugg |
| 21:25.20 | Leeds | same problem |
| 21:25.24 | Leeds | I need to be able to: |
| 21:25.35 | Leeds | 1) Have all mail go through SA |
| 21:25.39 | Leeds | 2) with per-user settings |
| 21:25.49 | Leeds | 3) without changing user's .qmail files |
| 21:26.05 | Leeds | 4) or dropping .qmail support completely |
| 21:27.01 | Leeds | anyway - I think we're going to dump qmail... |
| 21:27.32 | Leeds | thanks but no thanks |
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| 21:31.16 | skugg | Leeds, okay. i've not read it, i just saw the title of the page |
| 21:31.27 | skugg | gotta give me credit for remembering you though ;P |
| 21:31.34 | Leeds | I think I've seen that page before... |
| 21:31.37 | Leeds | but thankss |
| 21:33.00 | Leeds | it kind of highlights the problem, actually |
| 22:07.31 | JD | hi all |
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| 22:08.05 | JD | a few things to fix, but seems to bw working reasonablyt well |
| 22:08.20 | JD | as you can proably tell |
| 22:09.37 | JD | anyone around that has used 2.5? |
| 22:12.11 | JD | ping |
| 22:12.17 | new2unix | pang |
| 22:12.29 | new2unix | 2.5? chi9ldren? goldfish? |
| 22:12.45 | new2unix | :) |
| 22:13.36 | JD | new2unix|afk: dammit |
| 22:19.06 | JD | anyone using 2.5 kernel? |
| 22:19.17 | JD | anyoe know how to mount devpts? |
| 22:24.33 | new2unix|afk | JD what are you trying to do? perhaps i might be able to help (though i'm new2Linux) |
| 22:24.45 | Leeds | not in the docs? |
| 22:25.43 | JD | Leeds: no idea |
| 22:25.53 | JD | I'm too druk to think about docs |
| 22:26.20 | Leeds | ah |
| 22:26.51 | Leeds | should I put it in the freezer? |
| 22:28.40 | new2linux | nite all |
| 22:30.26 | JD | grrr X keeps restarting |
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| 22:32.24 | Leeds | hmm... swerage people are still at it out there |
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| 23:31.47 | armijn | re |
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