irclog2html for #gllug on 20030627

`00:07.00`	`*** join/#gllug zimm (Default@resnet-et9321.resnet.bris.ac.uk)`
`00:35.00`	`Axel`	`gn8 all`
`07:43.02`	`*** join/#gllug G2_at_work (~ghenry@193.195.148.66)`
`07:58.16`	`*** join/#gllug Axel (~axel@asegebrecht.plus.com)`
`08:23.08`	`*** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@host217-35-1-99.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`09:01.01`	`zachary`	`moin`
`09:09.48`	`*** join/#gllug cup (~cup@host213-120-148-49.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`09:09.56`	`cup`	`morninf`
`09:13.12`	`zachary`	`morning cup`
`09:26.50`	`*** join/#gllug sash (voidzero@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG)`
`09:27.01`	`sash`	`Morning`
`09:28.51`	`zachary`	`morning sash`
`09:29.44`	`sash`	`Did you go to AT?`
`09:32.47`	`zachary`	`not yet, need to work out day-care for astanzi for that day. Jess does't get off work tell 4pm.`
`10:03.50`	`zachary`	`ARGHHH, The shipment of Revolution OS is going to be further delayed to 9 July.`
`10:04.20`	`*** join/#gllug stephen_ (stephen@slacker.infinity-e.co.uk)`
`10:05.21`	`sash`	`zachary: Why?`
`10:06.51`	`zachary`	`According to john winters' site, the "publishers" are delaying the shipment.`
`11:25.16`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (richardc@butter.j-colo.net)`
`11:31.02`	`zachary`	`Afternoon Leeds`
`11:31.48`	`Leeds`	`hey`
`11:32.11`	`zachary`	`How did the religous discussion go last night?`
`11:33.03`	`Leeds`	`ended quickly, unfortunately`
`11:33.08`	`sash`	`Hello Leeds`
`11:33.31`	`Leeds`	`hey sash`
`11:34.59`	`zachary`	`Leeds: Do you like to ponder metaphysics?`
`11:37.07`	`Leeds`	`somewhat`
`11:37.14`	`sash`	`I like to contemplate my navel.`
`11:37.40`	`zachary`	`sash: yea, until something gets stuck.`
`11:39.17`	`sash`	`Oh dear, did you know that navel lint is predominantly blue. It's true.`
`11:40.17`	`zachary`	`sash: Only you would know of such trivia.`
`11:44.57`	`Leeds`	`he's obviously performed many years of experimentation`
`11:50.28`	`sash`	`Leeds: Perhaps you were one of the subjects.`
`11:57.03`	`Leeds`	`not that I recall...`
`12:01.51`	`sash`	`Did you take payment in fermented yak's milk then?`
`12:02.47`	`Leeds`	`not that I recall...`
`12:03.24`	`sash`	`Was this back in the 60s perchance?`
`12:04.36`	`*** join/#gllug SPQR (~a4266@194.106.34.53)`
`12:04.45`	`SPQR`	`g'day`
`12:04.50`	`sash`	`Moo`
`12:05.00`	`SPQR`	`baaa`
`12:10.52`	`sash`	`Foo bar`
`12:12.22`	`SPQR`	`snafu`
`12:26.53`	`*** join/#gllug Tarragon (~Tarragon@public3-stoc3-3-cust62.oldh.broadband.ntl.com)`
`12:30.25`	`zachary`	`wb Tarragon`
`12:30.38`	`Tarragon`	`TY. Just installed`
`12:31.10`	`zachary`	`sash: What is with the fermented yak's milk?`
`12:32.47`	`sash`	`Tarragon: See how OT this channel is.`
`12:33.13`	`sash`	`You get the yak, I'll get the icecream.`
`12:34.38`	`sash`	`Er, Courvoisier then.`
`12:40.03`	`Leeds`	`keep that sort of language to yourself`
`12:47.01`	`Tarragon`	`I can find Yak's milk cheese, but for the actual white milk you are goning to have to keep a Yak yourself.`
`12:56.21`	`sash`	`Leeds: Whatwhatwhat?`
`12:59.35`	`*** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@62.190.209.125)`
`14:02.49`	`*** join/#gllug axelS (~axel@asegebrecht.plus.com)`
`14:36.00`	`*** join/#gllug stephen (stephen@slacker.infinity-e.co.uk)`
`14:36.45`	`*** join/#gllug resuDaed_ (~tom@pc-80-193-238-7-en.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`14:37.56`	`resuDaed\|work`	`is anyone familiar with mjpg/mjpegs?`
`14:38.24`	`resuDaed\|work`	`and/or how it can be re-encoded to mpeg1 or avi?`
`14:45.56`	`SPQR`	`resuDaed\|work`
`14:46.09`	`SPQR`	`I think Rate knows a few things.`
`14:47.18`	`SPQR`	`he's in #flute`
`14:56.16`	`Leeds`	`I'd just use mplayer...`
`15:05.10`	`resuDaed\|work`	`Leeds : are there mjpeg codecs available for mplayer?`
`15:15.45`	`Leeds`	`sure`
`15:15.48`	`Leeds`	`AFAIK`
`15:17.29`	`Leeds`	`http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html`
`15:38.12`	`gregj`	`Leeds: hi`
`15:59.47`	`resuDaed\|work`	`does anyone know how to strip the first x amount of chars from a file?`
`16:00.30`	`Tarragon`	`resuDaed: Yes just watched an M jpeg movie in Mplayer. If you do not have the codecs it just plays the sound. Actually the soundtrack sounds better quality without the video.`
`16:01.12`	`resuDaed\|work`	`Tarragon : you know how to do the above?`
`16:11.11`	`JD`	`hi all`
`16:13.21`	`Leeds`	`hey greg`
`16:13.45`	`Leeds`	`resuDaed\|work: see man tail`
`16:15.27`	`resuDaed\|work`	`Leeds : the length of the file is unknown, /i just need to strip the first 2 lines`
`16:15.50`	`JD`	`resuDaed\|work: tail foo +2`
`16:16.10`	`JD`	`well +3 iirc`
`16:16.27`	`SPQR`	`what about 'tail -n 2 foo'`
`16:16.57`	`SPQR`	`or 3 for that amtter as well...`
`16:17.08`	`nasrat`	`-n does the last 2 lines`
`16:17.39`	`JD`	`SPQR: +3 does it`
`16:17.45`	`resuDaed\|work`	`so tail (file) +3`
`16:18.28`	`JD`	`resuDaed\|work: aye`
`16:21.22`	`SPQR`	`oops, ya`
`16:21.34`	`resuDaed\|work`	`basically, my problem is this - I am getting an mjpeg (of unspecified length) from cgi, so I have the content type written in at the beginning, I need some way of putting it into a useful file (std mpg, avi etc)`
`16:23.14`	`resuDaed\|work`	`any sugestions?`
`16:23.32`	`resuDaed\|work`	`(use of non-free software (eg xanim) is a last resort)`
`16:24.00`	`chrisa`	`you've solved the Content-Type: issue? just looking for format conversion?`
`16:24.48`	`resuDaed\|work`	`chrisa : I don't think so, I have tried using tail to remove the first two lines, but xanim still wont recongnise it`
`16:24.58`	`Leeds`	`xanim? ugh`
`16:25.12`	`resuDaed\|work`	`Leeds : just to test whether s a valid file`
`16:25.12`	`nasrat`	`resuDaed\|work: is it mime encoded?`
`16:25.22`	`resuDaed\|work`	`nasrat : I have no idea`
`16:25.30`	`chrisa`	`if it's an HTTP server, you should use perl and LWP::Simple or something`
`16:25.52`	`resuDaed\|work`	`there is no write access to the http server`
`16:25.57`	`chrisa`	`sure`
`16:26.06`	`chrisa`	`LWP::Simple on the client side`
`16:26.11`	`cup`	`weekend, bye people`
`16:26.22`	`chrisa`	`but you don't know in advance how much header-foo the cgi will send`
`16:26.41`	`chrisa`	`so you read lines until you get a blank line ("\n\n") then your content starts there.`
`16:26.48`	`Leeds`	`seeya cup`
`16:27.35`	`resuDaed\|work`	`the cgi server sends content type as image/jpeg, newline, then the stream`
`16:28.10`	`chrisa`	`that's what you see if you telnet to it, say?`
`16:28.20`	`Tarragon`	`resuDaed\|work: I thought tail -n 2 foo would just give you the last 2 lines. If you do not know the file size this would not work would it?`
`16:28.22`	`nasrat`	`what does file on the download stripped give`
`16:29.00`	`nasrat`	`can you wget the file?`
`16:29.01`	`resuDaed\|work`	`http://digit.colo.hosteurope.com:3128/axis-cgi/mjpg/video.cgi`
`16:29.22`	`resuDaed\|work`	`nasrat : I am wgetting the file`
`16:29.22`	`JD`	`Tarragon: surely I don't have to tell people again that tail <file> +2 does whgat is wanted`
`16:29.57`	`JD`	`resuDaed\|work: then the cgi is fubar`
`16:29.59`	`Tarragon`	`OK will try`
`16:30.34`	`resuDaed\|work`	`# tail vid.mjpg +2`
`16:30.39`	`resuDaed\|work`	`tail: +2: No such file or directory`
`16:30.57`	`Leeds`	`tail +2 <file>`
`16:30.59`	`Leeds`	`JD sux`
`16:31.04`	`nasrat`	`resuDaed\|work: tail +2 vid.mjpg > foo.mjpg && file foo.mjpg`
`16:31.34`	`chrisa`	`if wget is writing Content-Type: blah/blah\n\n into the file, then something is very wrong.`
`16:32.40`	`Tarragon`	`JD: OK I am obviously making a fool of myself - It is not working. Are there differing versions of tail?`
`16:33.01`	`nasrat`	`Tarragon: gnu tail is what we are talking about here`
`16:33.16`	`resuDaed\|work`	`nasrat : your command worked, I got image/jeg back`
`16:33.21`	`resuDaed\|work`	`s/jeg/jpeg`
`16:33.34`	`Tarragon`	`Ah. In that case JD you sux big time!`
`16:33.48`	`Tarragon`	`:-)`
`16:33.50`	`Leeds`	`nasrat: no we're not`
`16:33.51`	`resuDaed\|work`	`:-)`
`16:34.04`	`chrisa`	`resuDaed\|work: can you give us a user/pass for that httpd?`
`16:34.10`	`resuDaed\|work`	`view/view`
`16:34.17`	`nasrat`	`Leeds: is the + behaviour standard`
`16:34.29`	`resuDaed\|work`	`it is a stream, so d/c at some point :-)`
`16:34.43`	`Leeds`	`nasrat: don't have a standard to hand... but it's there in UNIX tail :-)`
`16:35.18`	`nasrat`	Leeds: the info page says GNU `tail' can output any amount of data (some other versions of
`16:35.21`	`nasrat`	`tail' cannot).
`16:36.34`	`chrisa`	`Leeds: when you say 'UNIX tail', exactly which UNIX/`
`16:36.37`	`chrisa`	`?`
`16:37.03`	`Leeds`	`chrisa: Solaris`
`16:37.29`	`chrisa`	`oh, right. most of Solaris' userspace sucks bigtime.`
`16:37.38`	`Leeds`	`um...`
`16:38.02`	`JD`	`parguild020 david% tail +3 /tmp/foo`
`16:38.07`	`JD`	`works a treat`
`16:38.14`	`chrisa`	`well, for values of sucks including 'missing lots of useful features which the GNU and BSD versions have'`
`16:38.19`	`Leeds`	`um...`
`16:38.41`	`Leeds`	`do you know who I am?`
`16:39.00`	`JD`	`Leeds: no, should I?`
`16:39.14`	`Leeds`	`JD: you bloody should :-)`
`16:39.32`	`nasrat`	`Leeds: Bill Joy?`
`16:39.39`	`Leeds`	`nasrat: close :-)`
`16:39.41`	`JD`	`Leeds: is it bigger than a breadbox?`
`16:39.50`	`Leeds`	`well, close-ish...`
`16:40.19`	`nasrat`	`Leeds: are we talking meters`
`16:40.21`	`chrisa`	`Leeds: some kind of Sun superstar? :/`
`16:40.29`	`Leeds`	`crisa: close :-)`
`16:40.31`	`resuDaed\|work`	`chrisa : you have any luck with that stream?`
`16:40.40`	`JD`	`Sun got a ticking off on Chris Moyles show today`
`16:40.53`	`Leeds`	`the what show?`
`16:40.55`	`chrisa`	`resuDaed\|work: yes, it does have Content-Type: as the first line...`
`16:41.05`	`JD`	`Leeds: radio 1`
`16:41.39`	`chrisa`	`resuDaed\|work: haven't actually tried doing anything with the video tho`
`16:41.43`	`resuDaed\|work`	`tail +2 foo managed to remove that ok, and 'file' returned image/jpeg, but I still cannot get in to play in a anything`
`16:41.45`	`Leeds`	`JD: I'm listening to Virgin during the day at the moment... mmm... Ogg stream :-)`
`16:42.14`	`JD`	`Leeds: they had pic of African footballer on front page`
`16:42.32`	`JD`	`with eyes open and people standing around`
`16:42.39`	`Leeds`	`JD: um, what???`
`16:43.32`	`JD`	`then inside they had a story about new pill to prevent heart disease and a cartoon saying`
`16:43.56`	`JD`	`"any side effects?" "don't know, but at least you won;t die of a heart attack"`
`16:44.27`	`JD`	`and hten 2 pages on they had the story about African footballer who died of a suspected heart attack during a game last night`
`16:45.24`	`Leeds`	`JD: you alright, man?`
`16:45.35`	`JD`	`Leeds: yes. why?`
`16:46.24`	`Leeds`	`well, you're talking absolute nonsense... more so than usual`
`16:46.31`	`JD`	`Leeds: not really`
`16:46.43`	`JD`	`what doesn;t make sense`
`16:46.49`	`JD`	`I'm talking about the Sun today`
`16:47.09`	`SPQR`	`I'm heading homewards now. Later peeps`
`16:47.10`	`resuDaed\|work`	`JD: and the kajority of that isn;t nonsense`
`16:47.10`	`Leeds`	`yes, I know that`
`16:47.18`	`JD`	`being shockingly amoral/unprofessional/insensitive`
`16:47.22`	`Leeds`	`bye spqr`
`16:47.25`	`resuDaed\|work`	`laters SPQR`
`16:53.28`	`chrisa`	`Leeds: so who are you, and why are you so touchy about people's opinion on Solaris then?`
`16:56.19`	`JD`	`chrisa: lets just say a conflict of interest`
`17:02.28`	`Leeds`	`well... I do work for Sun...`
`17:02.58`	`Leeds`	`in Solaris Engineering...`
`17:03.18`	`Leeds`	`in the team responsible for shipping the GNUish userspace stuff with Solaris`
`17:10.32`	`Leeds`	`so yeah... I have an interest`
`17:12.00`	`A4266`	`hey hey`
`17:12.09`	`Leeds`	`hi Krusty!`
`17:12.32`	`A4266`	`lol`
`17:19.01`	`gregj`	`home sux`
`17:21.15`	`*** join/#gllug jason_ukfsn (~jason@public1-watf3-5-cust60.watf.broadband.ntl.com)`
`17:21.20`	`jason_ukfsn`	`afternoon/evening all`
`17:24.27`	`JD`	`hi jason`
`17:24.33`	`jason_ukfsn`	`hi JD.`
`17:24.53`	`jason_ukfsn`	`s/wek/week/`
`17:25.19`	`jason_ukfsn`	`UKFSN is getting some new servers given to it :)`
`17:25.29`	`JD`	`by?`
`17:26.04`	`jason_ukfsn`	`There will be a press release about it so I don't want to pre-emt that as the company deserves the publicity.`
`17:26.25`	`JD`	`/msg me?`
`17:26.25`	`jason_ukfsn`	`Let's just say they are a very well known UK Linux hardware supplier`
`17:26.32`	`JD`	`ah okay`
`17:26.35`	`JD`	`I think I know`
`17:27.52`	`jason_ukfsn`	`The new hardware will allow me to put together a good anti-spam/virus platform and a UML offering.`
`17:28.17`	`JD`	`cool`
`17:30.31`	`resuDaed\|work`	`chrisa : you still there?`
`17:38.37`	`*** join/#gllug skugg (~stig@braut.plus.com)`
`18:00.14`	`*** join/#gllug nasrat_ (~paul@pc-62-30-151-127-hr.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`18:21.15`	`chrisa`	`resuDaed\|work: awake?`
`18:34.44`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@user-669.bbd04tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk)`
`19:46.41`	`*** join/#gllug stephanb (~frog@80.46.225.79)`
`20:27.22`	`*** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@pc-62-30-151-127-hr.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`20:27.31`	`Leeds`	`evening nasrat`
`20:27.58`	`nasrat`	`evening`
`20:28.01`	`stephanb`	`Leeds: hey hello there !`
`20:28.20`	`Leeds`	`evening stephenb`
`20:28.28`	`Leeds`	`or stephanb even`
`20:29.03`	`stephanb`	`Leeds: how's life ?`
`20:29.09`	`Leeds`	`not bad`
`20:29.21`	`Leeds`	`didn't have a great day at work... but I'm nice and relaxed from it :-)`
`20:29.45`	`stephanb`	`well that's better than me`
`20:30.12`	`Leeds`	`really? :-(`
`20:30.49`	`stephanb`	`i went to see that guy (supposed friend) who hadn't be in touch for months`
`20:31.09`	`stephanb`	`he calls me out of the blue, I thought "that's nice"`
`20:31.53`	`stephanb`	`it turns out he calls me because he's filled a 12GB drive on a 3 years old iMac full up to 100MB free`
`20:32.02`	`stephanb`	`and the mac doesn't boot !`
`20:32.07`	`Leeds`	`doh!`
`20:36.41`	`stephanb`	`of course he hasn't backed up anything for 3 years`
`20:36.53`	`Leeds`	`SCSI?`
`20:37.03`	`stephanb`	`nonono iMac = IDE`
`20:37.11`	`Leeds`	`oh, okay`
`20:37.29`	`Leeds`	`so grab it, slap it in a computer (as opposed to a toaster), copy the files off`
`20:37.41`	`stephanb`	`I said I couldn't do anything, I only do PCs. My experience of MacOS is to boot on the System disk and run a disk check`
`20:38.00`	`Leeds`	`heh - more experience than me :-)`
`20:38.04`	`stephanb`	`of course that fails, the disk doesn't even mount`
`20:38.30`	`stephanb`	`he's already spoken to afew mac gurus, it looks like the partition table on his drive is f***ed`
`20:38.43`	`stephanb`	`and that I can't fix`
`20:38.44`	`Leeds`	`doesn't mount? on Linux, I assume`
`20:39.00`	`stephanb`	`no doesn't mount on the MacOS desktop`
`20:39.15`	`Leeds`	`so slap it in a Linux PC`
`20:39.21`	`stephanb`	`when you use the rescue OS from the System CD`
`20:39.23`	`Leeds`	`depending on how good a friend he is :-)`
`20:40.00`	`stephanb`	`well he has such a history of calling me when his computer needs fixing that I didn't feel I wanted to make any effort`
`20:40.18`	`Leeds`	`ah, that`
`20:40.30`	`Leeds`	`my mum called this morning because her 'net connection was dead :-)`
`20:40.31`	`stephanb`	`come on, the guy doesn't backup anything for 3 years, he's a pro photographer, he uses digital cameras`
`20:40.59`	`stephanb`	`if i was doing his job I would burn a CD at the end of each day of shooting`
`20:41.27`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`20:41.39`	`stephanb`	`ah, let me guess, her dog had chewed the telephone extension cable ?`
`20:41.56`	`Leeds`	`nah... dunno what the problem was - talked her through rebooting her router and all was well`
`20:42.22`	`Leeds`	`she thought my sister had filled up the HDD with Kazaa and deleted something important to make space for more dodgy MP3s :-)`
`20:42.39`	`stephanb`	`ah yes I'm sure that must happen`
`20:43.33`	`stephanb`	`"let's see, there's this folder called system32..."`
`20:43.36`	`Leeds`	`well considering she's got a PC and a laptop, and the 'net connection was dead from both... it had to be the router`
`20:44.12`	`stephanb`	`mind you on Windoze the default settings prevent you from going directly into the system folders`
`20:44.27`	`Jenson\|Away`	`stephanb: Does anyone use default settings`
`20:44.41`	`Leeds`	`my mum is quite good... my sister I have no idea about`
`20:44.54`	`stephanb`	`Jenson\|Away: mister joe public who has bought his pc in the supermarket does, yes.`
`20:45.17`	`Jenson\|Away`	`stephanb: Bah, I forgot I'm a Slackware/Windoze user...that aint normal`
`20:45.28`	`stephanb`	`coz Mr John Doe doesn't read "Windows annoyances" on O'Reilly`
`20:45.49`	`Leeds`	`nah, Jenson\|Away - you're just generally not normal`
`20:46.23`	`Jenson`	`thx for that Leeds honey`
`20:46.33`	`Leeds`	`no problem`
`20:46.34`	`Leeds`	`:-)`
`20:46.39`	`Leeds`	`normal is a bad thnig`
`20:46.41`	`Leeds`	`thing`
`20:46.43`	`Jenson`	`I wasnt gonna stay, but I am now, coz I'm gonna write a mail`
`20:46.47`	`Jenson`	`then I think I'm gonna sleep`
`20:47.00`	`Leeds`	`but... sleep is the enemy!`
`20:47.28`	`Leeds`	`so, stephanb, what do you use?`
`20:47.34`	`Jenson`	`yeh, but its quiet online tongight`
`20:48.04`	`Leeds`	`so go to #kde and start trolling :-)`
`20:48.48`	`stephanb`	`Leeds: I use the BLAG distro (redhat with all the missing a/v bits)`
`20:49.12`	`stephanb`	`Leeds: I also tried Mandrake 9.1... looks really nice, recognised my broadband modem !!!`
`20:49.19`	`Leeds`	`frog?`
`20:49.43`	`Jenson`	`I was impressed, Slack auto installed my soundcard this distro...with 8.1 it took me and Leeds an hour to work it out`
`20:49.51`	`Jenson`	`Although that good have been me being a newbie`
`20:49.58`	`Jenson`	`s/good/could`
`20:52.08`	`Leeds`	`yeah, probably`
`20:52.31`	`Jenson`	`I dont like Slack much though`
`20:52.42`	`Jenson`	`When I get a complete copy of Debian I'll do that`
`20:52.49`	`stephanb`	`then I also have to use Win2k at work, coz these Adobe rats don't want to release any of their stuff on Linux`
`20:52.56`	`Jenson`	`Maybe I should order one now`
`20:53.39`	`Jenson`	`fsck whats the URL for John Winters site, I cant spell it`
`20:53.57`	`skugg`	`. . o O ( wine )`
`20:55.21`	`Leeds`	`www.linuxemporium.co.uk`
`20:55.31`	`Jenson`	`ty`
`20:57.47`	`Leeds`	`or possibly write a PIM suite or a Python/XML system admin tool`
`20:58.30`	`Leeds`	`I have 7 movies saved on my TiVo... could do with freeing up the disk`
`20:58.46`	`stephanb`	`Oh can we have the theological debate on Reloaded another day ?`
`20:58.59`	`stephanb`	`maybe when the girls are around, that could be fun`
`20:59.08`	`Leeds`	`it'`
`20:59.10`	`Leeds`	`it`
`20:59.12`	`Leeds`	`argh`
`20:59.24`	`Leeds`	`keep hitting return instead of (or as well as) '`
`20:59.32`	`Jenson`	`I'm a girl`
`20:59.42`	`Leeds`	`it's not really theology - just pseudo-crap`
`20:59.45`	`Leeds`	`Jenson: prove it`
`21:00.18`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: erm, you know me anyway`
`21:00.36`	`Leeds`	`do I?`
`21:00.52`	`skugg`	`Leeds, you not a fan of matrix reloaded?`
`21:01.06`	`stephanb`	`no more psuedo-crap than what new-age cults do = recycling well known assumptions from various faith traditions`
`21:01.31`	`Leeds`	`oh, the film was okay... pacing was weird in parts... but it's not in any way insightful in a theological sense`
`21:01.59`	`Jenson`	`it was a cool movie`
`21:02.04`	`Leeds`	`stephanb: with the exception of one being purely (or almost so) for entertainment's sake...`
`21:02.27`	`Jenson`	`plus when i saw it at the cinema i had the bonus of snuggling Alex too :P`
`21:02.43`	`stephanb`	`absolutely not the Wakawski brothers have said clearly that they have a "philosophical/religious" agenda`
`21:03.18`	`stephanb`	`but that they think that debating that on public broadcasting with academics wouldn't get much of an audience`
`21:03.32`	`stephanb`	`whereas doing an adrenalin infused action flick does`
`21:03.39`	`Leeds`	`stephanb: sure, there's a subtext and a backstory... but are they seriously trying to start a cult - create a useful belief system?`
`21:03.58`	`stephanb`	`i don't think they want to creat a "cult"`
`21:04.12`	`stephanb`	`definitely not like the "kabbalah society"`
`21:04.22`	`Leeds`	`kabbalah society?`
`21:04.59`	`Leeds`	`a club for students of Bar Yoshai?`
`21:05.02`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: Technically anything is a cult, Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, all that shit, all cults`
`21:05.51`	`Leeds`	`I disagree... cult suggests extremism, non-mainstream, stuff like that`
`21:06.37`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: I would argue this point, but there are certain beliefs I have that could easily be misentuperated`
`21:06.41`	`Leeds`	`oh, and calling the major monotheistic religions 'shit' could be taken as an insult...`
`21:07.03`	`*** part/#gllug nasrat (~paul@pc-62-30-151-127-hr.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`21:07.33`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: Sorry, I dont like religion`
`21:07.39`	`Leeds`	`so?`
`21:07.59`	`Jenson`	`But I dont want to get into a religious argument with you, coz I like you`
`21:08.03`	`stephanb`	`Leeds: b careful, the "kabbalah society" is this organisation Madonna has joined, it sounds very dodgy.`
`21:08.29`	`Leeds`	`stephanb: oh, that stuff... that's a cult...`
`21:10.24`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: All the great so-called extreme political parties started as cults I think`
`21:10.47`	`Leeds`	`um, what?`
`21:11.18`	`Jenson`	`the marxist-leninists`
`21:11.21`	`Jenson`	`Nazis`
`21:11.22`	`Jenson`	`all those`
`21:13.01`	`Jenson`	`Plus, maybe Linux is a cult too :P`
`21:13.14`	`Leeds`	`to me, a cult (in the serious sense, as opposed to say a fan club of a celeb) is inherently religious`
`21:13.29`	`Leeds`	`very different from a movement, which is what you seem to be talking about`
`21:14.01`	`Leeds`	`anyway...`
`21:14.10`	`Jenson`	`Think about it though, if we could find someone with the people power of Hitler and his lot, who wasn't a bastard, we could do anything`
`21:15.00`	`stephanb`	`Linux is not a cult`
`21:15.13`	`stephanb`	`Linux is a giant networked videogame`
`21:15.17`	`Jenson`	`lol`
`21:15.40`	`stephanb`	`where thousands of players on the internet play at installing, debugging, coding`
`21:15.57`	`stephanb`	`and get together in great social events like LUGs`
`21:16.12`	`stephanb`	`like Dunjons and Dragons`
`21:16.38`	`stephanb`	`if Linux was a religion it would be protestantism`
`21:16.55`	`Jenson`	`LUGs arent great social events. they're just weird`
`21:17.00`	`stephanb`	`with all it's denominations : Slackware, Debian, Mandrake, Red Hat, etc`
`21:17.16`	`Jenson`	`Debian is a religion to its followes though`
`21:17.20`	`Jenson`	`its like Schumacherism`
`21:17.34`	`stephanb`	`Jenson : please define religion`
`21:17.55`	`Jenson`	`stephanb: Tell a Debian user that its shit and you'klll understand`
`21:18.27`	`stephanb`	`Jenson: you haven't answered my question, so far my conclusion is that Debian users are short tempered`
`21:23.10`	`stephanb`	`i hope I haven't offended him`
`21:23.14`	`*** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@pc-62-30-151-127-hr.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`21:33.15`	`*** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@host217-36-19-60.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`21:51.43`	`stephanb`	`ok guys, i'm off`
`21:51.48`	`stephanb`	`bye everybody !!`
`21:52.03`	`stephen`	`bye`
`22:07.28`	`*** join/#gllug new2unix (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-141.zen.co.uk)`
`22:17.40`	`*** join/#gllug blueboxer (~chatzilla@host213-122-134-138.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`22:20.06`	`blueboxer`	`Wake up and smell the electrons!`
`23:03.09`	`Leeds`	`well...`
`23:04.21`	`*** join/#gllug new2unix (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-142.zen.co.uk)`
`23:05.42`	`Leeds`	`okay... it does have one hell of a twist in the tail`
`23:14.44`	`*** join/#gllug G2 (~gdive23@212.159.59.85)`
`23:23.22`	`*** part/#gllug blueboxer (~chatzilla@host213-122-134-138.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`23:28.19`	`*** join/#gllug new2unix (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-142.zen.co.uk)`
`23:44.12`	`*** join/#gllug new2unix\|afk (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-142.zen.co.uk)`

Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with blootbot logs, split per channel, etc.