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| 05:13.51 | new2unix | moin |
| 07:06.01 | Cope|Bed | Morning |
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| 07:28.59 | zachary | moin |
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| 08:27.10 | Cope | Hiya |
| 08:36.21 | Cope | Anyone know how to print to pdf from openoffice? |
| 08:42.15 | JD | lpr foo.pdf |
| 08:42.23 | JD | ah |
| 08:42.47 | JD | create a psuedo printer that mails you a pdf |
| 08:45.59 | Cope | How about print to file then ps2pdf? |
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| 09:20.28 | nasrat | hi NisoDaemon |
| 09:22.17 | NisoDaemon | Morning Nas. Ready for curry? :) |
| 09:22.25 | nasrat | yup |
| 09:22.41 | NisoDaemon | No Harry or Stig though. Bet Bruce doesn't show :P |
| 09:23.56 | NisoDaemon | http://www.franklins.net/dotnetrocks.asp |
| 09:23.57 | NisoDaemon | hahahah |
| 09:25.06 | NisoDaemon | ibot seen spud |
| 09:25.07 | | spud <~hanafijam@101.202-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 164d 48m 43s ago, saying: 'Gotta go, chat soon.'. |
| 09:25.16 | NisoDaemon | ibot seen spudulike |
| 09:25.16 | | spudulike is currently on #gllug (4h 31m 39s) |
| 09:25.24 | NisoDaemon | ibot seen skugg |
| 09:25.24 | | skugg <~stig@braut.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 2d 9h 46m 58s ago, saying: 'i'm dead tired...'. |
| 09:25.36 | NisoDaemon | I like that funcction |
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| 10:09.37 | SpudULike | Hmm, Ibot, was Skugg being literal when he said that? |
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| 10:30.41 | jason_ukfsn | norming all |
| 10:30.48 | jason_ukfsn | morning even |
| 10:30.57 | nasrat | hi jason_ukfsn |
| 10:48.19 | Cope | Morning dude |
| 11:38.29 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 11:40.18 | jason_ukfsn | morning Xiaoqi |
| 11:40.25 | jason_ukfsn | or rather afternoon as it is here |
| 11:42.03 | SpudULike | What? North of the border has a different time zone? |
| 11:42.15 | SpudULike | 1950's ??? |
| 11:42.36 | SpudULike | Sorry, sorry, cheap pun. Regretting saying it. Sorry. |
| 11:43.11 | Xiaoqi | morning is defined y what time i get up |
| 11:43.14 | Xiaoqi | :) |
| 11:43.21 | Xiaoqi | and seeing as that was only an hour ago |
| 11:43.23 | Xiaoqi | this is morning |
| 11:43.24 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 12:37.31 | JD | hi all |
| 12:45.16 | Xiaoqi | hi JD |
| 12:45.23 | JD | hi |
| 12:45.28 | Xiaoqi | hows you? |
| 12:49.09 | SpudULike | Is it afternoon yet? |
| 12:51.46 | JD | for a while now |
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| 12:58.14 | SpudULike | Couple of hours ago I would have been tempted to agree with you, but times they are achangin', literally. |
| 13:01.38 | jason_ukfsn | but it's only been afternoon for 1 hour 59 minutes |
| 13:01.50 | jason_ukfsn | and now two hours |
| 13:02.30 | SpudULike | My point exactly. |
| 13:04.31 | armijn | I love kickstart installs... |
| 13:04.50 | SpudULike | JD: Is the Lisa daemon strictly a KDE thing? How do I get KDE network browsing on a non-KDE machine? |
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| 13:12.17 | JD | SpudULike: yes it is |
| 13:12.22 | JD | you need to set it up |
| 13:12.47 | JD | er I don't know to be honest |
| 13:21.55 | jason_ukfsn | As they are picking up some of BA's slack and some of them use BA facilties it probably had some effect although only they know how much |
| 13:22.38 | jason_ukfsn | as I'm not flying any time soon I don't care though. |
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| 13:37.51 | jenson | hey Cope...which half of you you is in bed then? |
| 13:38.05 | Xiaoqi | jenson: hiya |
| 13:38.43 | jenson | heya Xiaoqi |
| 13:38.51 | nasrat | hi jenson |
| 13:39.58 | jenson | heya nasrat |
| 13:40.18 | jenson | grrr now i have to stay and chat coz i gotta look after this kid, anit life great :P |
| 13:40.52 | jenson | grrr my legs are twitching |
| 13:40.55 | jenson | freaky |
| 13:44.57 | jenson | grr ive scared everyone away again |
| 13:45.51 | Cope | I'm wondering why for some reason I can't print to a ps file when I could about 30 mins ago |
| 13:46.27 | Cope | I just wrote a script to convert relocate and email files from ps format, and now I cant save to ps file... bah |
| 13:48.54 | jenson | Cope: well i cant help you, i dont know anything useful |
| 13:48.59 | jason_ukfsn | Cope are the permissions on the file allowing you to write to it? And the directory? |
| 13:49.04 | jason_ukfsn | Is the filesystem full? |
| 13:49.52 | nasrat | Cope: I'm having a similar problem. I'm trying to move a dir across filesystems on an s390 and it won't let me |
| 13:50.40 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat: are you trying mv or cp? |
| 13:51.05 | nasrat | tried mv and rsync. trying tar and pipe now |
| 13:51.22 | Cope | jason_ukfsn> Yeah, I suspect there could be a lack of space. |
| 13:51.27 | nasrat | althoug I'm getting tonnes of I/O errors in dmesg |
| 13:51.47 | jason_ukfsn | disk IO errors nasrat? |
| 13:51.56 | jason_ukfsn | That would worry me a *lot* |
| 13:52.05 | nasrat | yeah, but I thought s390's were supposed to be robust :) |
| 13:52.14 | jason_ukfsn | Cope how much space is reserved on the filesystem? |
| 13:52.40 | jason_ukfsn | S390 systems are robust however a disk subsystem is only as robust as the RAID implementation and the platters in it. |
| 13:53.02 | jenson | has anyone else done any learndirect courses? |
| 13:53.09 | Cope | jenson> Nope |
| 13:53.18 | Cope | jenson> How much are they? |
| 13:53.37 | jenson | Cope: I dunno, you have to go to the local learndirect centre to find out |
| 13:54.00 | Cope | jason_ukfsn> Hmm... there's about 5% left, which aint much, but enough for a 32K ps file. |
| 13:54.07 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: yeah I'm running on lcds, I should check who to poke |
| 13:54.29 | jenson | I've never done learndiredct, I did adult learning German when I was 14 though lol |
| 13:54.32 | jason_ukfsn | Cope do you have a quota restriction on the filesystem? |
| 13:54.39 | Cope | jason_ukfsn> Hmm... I can produce a .ps file in /home/cope but not /home/cope/ps |
| 13:54.47 | Cope | jason_ukfsn> Nope |
| 13:54.56 | jenson | fsck me i'm hungry, im going to tescos to get some food |
| 13:54.57 | jenson | BBL |
| 13:55.05 | jason_ukfsn | what are the permission on /home/cope/ps? |
| 13:55.07 | Cope | And I can mv the file to ./ps |
| 13:55.31 | jason_ukfsn | and on the existing file there (assuming there is one)? |
| 13:55.52 | nasrat | Cope: can you cd to /home/cope/ps |
| 13:56.36 | Cope | nasrat> Yep |
| 13:57.42 | Cope | jason_ukfsn> permissions on ./ps - drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 104 2003-07-22 14:56 ps |
| 13:57.44 | jason_ukfsn | Cope is the script that is failing to write the file set*id or run from cron? |
| 13:58.07 | jason_ukfsn | Cope only root would be able to write to that directory. Is the script run as root? |
| 14:00.57 | Cope | jason_ukfsn - The script is run as root, but I was trying to write to the directory as user - should I chgrp and chown? |
| 14:01.23 | jason_ukfsn | I'd chown the directory so that you own it. |
| 14:01.53 | nasrat | you might want do do that recursively too |
| 14:02.12 | nasrat | ibot lart dodgy s390 discs |
| 14:05.20 | Clyphox | I wannna s390! |
| 14:06.52 | nasrat | Clyphox: if you have a usefull project to port http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds/ |
| 14:07.18 | Clyphox | hehe.. |
| 14:07.32 | Clyphox | I would start on quake |
| 14:09.25 | JD | nice work if you can get it |
| 14:10.24 | nasrat | not when it's on a live system |
| 14:10.50 | JD | ah that kind of fsck |
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| 14:34.38 | Xiaoqi | wb zachary |
| 15:27.14 | Cope | lo |
| 15:28.28 | Xiaoqi | hi Cope |
| 15:37.24 | Cope | Woo Xiaoqi |
| 15:40.19 | Xiaoqi | hows you? |
| 15:41.57 | Cope | Okay! Got OZ on my zaurus now, so quite happy. |
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| 15:49.23 | Xiaoqi | wb jenson |
| 15:49.36 | jenson | thanks Nik |
| 16:06.48 | Cope | Woo Jenson |
| 16:06.57 | jenson | heya Cope |
| 16:14.19 | jenson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.06 | jason_ukfsn | jenson: do you really believe that esr is a sex god whose advise geeks should follow? |
| 16:17.03 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: he probably has a big gun |
| 16:17.08 | jenson | jason_ukfsn: No, I just nicked the link from someone who thought it was funny, havent read it yet |
| 16:17.35 | jenson | jason_ukfsn: And personally, I dont need advice on how a geek should manage to get sex |
| 16:23.37 | jason_ukfsn | I have decided not to comment further on that one - I'll just end up with my foot in my mouth. ;) |
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| 16:28.33 | jason_ukfsn | re |
| 16:28.37 | jenson | re |
| 16:30.34 | jenson | time to go |
| 16:30.35 | jenson | BBL |
| 16:50.24 | SpudULike | No, I don't believe for a second that Nasrat has, or ever will, quit curry. \inconceivable! |
| 16:52.49 | JD | it does say he has quit curry though |
| 16:57.13 | Cope | lol |
| 16:57.18 | Cope | I want curry now. |
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| 17:09.09 | JD | how much would people pay for a shell account with webspace?? |
| 17:11.33 | Cope | jd> umm... why would they want one? They could get a static ip demon adsl with webspace and put up their own server. |
| 17:12.35 | JD | Cope: try 100 |
| 17:12.44 | JD | 100Mbit/s connection |
| 17:13.30 | JD | Cope: plus anything else they wanted |
| 17:14.02 | avant | webspace |
| 17:14.02 | avant | hrm |
| 17:14.07 | avant | are you selling, or thinking of selling? |
| 17:14.12 | JD | thinking |
| 17:14.18 | avant | i run a server in the us - costs me 45us/mo |
| 17:14.23 | avant | and i chaarge enough to break even |
| 17:14.33 | JD | which is? |
| 17:14.38 | avant | www.johncompanies.com |
| 17:14.47 | avant | you get an entire Linux/FreeBSD server |
| 17:14.51 | avant | no hardware required |
| 17:14.53 | JD | UML? |
| 17:14.53 | avant | it's all provided |
| 17:15.02 | avant | it's some whack virtual server |
| 17:15.04 | avant | UML? |
| 17:15.13 | avant | what's that |
| 17:15.18 | JD | user mode linux |
| 17:15.24 | JD | linux on linux |
| 17:15.31 | JD | uml.sf.net |
| 17:15.32 | avant | yeah |
| 17:15.32 | avant | thast it. |
| 17:15.35 | avant | but you have r00t |
| 17:15.49 | JD | of course you do |
| 17:15.54 | avant | sorry, I'd never heard of UML |
| 17:15.58 | avant | but it works fine for me |
| 17:16.01 | avant | im running a FreeBSD server |
| 17:16.06 | avant | just for me and my buddies |
| 17:16.56 | JD | screw you guys |
| 17:16.56 | avant | fair enough |
| 17:17.23 | JD | would have worked better if I swapped those around |
| 17:17.29 | JD | ho hum |
| 17:17.38 | JD | see you in 2 |
| 17:20.52 | avant | :) |
| 17:39.26 | Xiaoqi|Jenfaf | what does +e mean? |
| 17:39.29 | Xiaoqi|Jenfaf | as in a mode change? |
| 17:40.17 | Cope | Hiya Xiaoqi |
| 17:40.29 | Xiaoqi|Jenfaf | hi Cope |
| 17:41.03 | Cope | What is Jenfaf? |
| 17:41.20 | SpudULike | Ah, good, House of Milton on. If you listen hard enough you'll hear New2Unix and me laughing. |
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| 17:41.49 | stephanb | hey guys |
| 17:41.55 | Cope | Hya |
| 17:42.05 | Cope | Right I'm off home. |
| 17:42.11 | Cope | See you later, |
| 17:43.22 | Xiaoqi|Jenfaf | hi stephanb |
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| 17:49.52 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: hi there :-) |
| 17:50.35 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: what's happenin ? |
| 17:51.06 | Xiaoqi | not much |
| 17:51.44 | Xiaoqi | u? |
| 17:51.58 | avant | isn't +e the same as +x in america? |
| 17:52.00 | avant | like +lsd |
| 17:52.03 | avant | and +trip |
| 17:52.49 | Xiaoqi | ah -drugs |
| 17:56.43 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: downloading RH-9 now that i found the drivr for my modem under 2.4.20 :-) |
| 17:57.00 | Xiaoqi | cool |
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| 18:05.03 | stephanb | Leeds: good evening |
| 18:05.10 | Leeds | hey stephanb |
| 18:05.19 | stephanb | hey :-) |
| 18:06.24 | stephanb | let me guess |
| 18:06.42 | stephanb | a fashion computer made by Apple ? |
| 18:06.56 | Leeds | ugh |
| 18:06.57 | Leeds | no |
| 18:06.59 | stephanb | a wireless router ? |
| 18:07.02 | Leeds | nope |
| 18:07.26 | stephanb | a digital camera ? |
| 18:07.31 | Leeds | partly |
| 18:07.50 | stephanb | no ! not one of them stuoid phones ??? |
| 18:08.04 | Leeds | yeah |
| 18:08.19 | stephanb | omg |
| 18:08.38 | Leeds | didn't get it for the camera |
| 18:08.49 | stephanb | oh you got it for the games ? |
| 18:09.02 | stephanb | or rather because it's got *java* on it :-) |
| 18:09.42 | Leeds | um... |
| 18:09.45 | Leeds | actually yes :-) |
| 18:10.18 | stephanb | so your phone boots with tux or a Sun logo ? |
| 18:10.37 | Leeds | boots with Tux... has a Sun logo in it |
| 18:11.36 | stephanb | jeez |
| 18:12.20 | stephanb | you know what i'm missing ? someone re-wrote zaxxon in java but it's a dog |
| 18:12.28 | stephanb | there's a job for you |
| 18:12.43 | stephanb | unfortunately i think zaxxon is still under copyright |
| 18:12.54 | Leeds | what is zaxxon? |
| 18:15.32 | stephanb | an arcade game in fake 3d |
| 18:15.59 | Leeds | shudder |
| 18:16.14 | stephanb | http://caesar.logiqx.com/html/emus/multi/mame/zaxxon.shtml |
| 18:16.17 | Leeds | people selling "tag your Nokia with a logo made from a word of your choice" for 1.50 pounds |
| 18:16.18 | Leeds | :-( |
| 18:16.25 | Leeds | bloody proprietary shit |
| 18:16.52 | Leeds | http://www.kinetic-arts.co.uk/jamma/zaxxon/zaxxon.htm |
| 18:17.57 | Leeds | something like stargoose... |
| 18:18.34 | Leeds | I played something very similar on Apple ][ in 1995 in Israel... |
| 18:20.43 | stephanb | this is the java applet : |
| 18:20.45 | stephanb | http://www.80snostalgia.com/computers/spectrum/zaxxon.html |
| 18:22.22 | Leeds | ah yes |
| 18:22.28 | stephanb | oh hang on |
| 18:22.42 | stephanb | someoen else has done a *much better* job |
| 18:22.49 | stephanb | http://www.classicgaming.com/vault/java/msxroms/Zaxxon.shtml |
| 18:23.13 | stephanb | at least it's somehow responsive and using the normal keys (arrows and spacebar) |
| 18:23.27 | Leeds | you can set the keys on the first one |
| 18:24.21 | stephanb | yeah well see how fast it plays |
| 18:24.26 | stephanb | don't even bother |
| 18:24.35 | stephanb | and the graphix are shit |
| 18:24.57 | Leeds | is there any erason you can't play under mame? |
| 18:25.16 | stephanb | oh yes of course you can play under mame |
| 18:25.41 | stephanb | much better idea : port mame to your phone ! |
| 18:26.01 | Leeds | already runs on my PDA... |
| 18:26.11 | stephanb | :-O |
| 18:26.19 | stephanb | your pda runs on linux ? |
| 18:26.31 | Leeds | yes, of course |
| 18:26.43 | stephanb | :-D |
| 18:27.01 | stephanb | i'm gonna prepare my dinner, i'll be slower |
| 18:36.15 | Cope|Bed | Hi leeds |
| 18:37.16 | Leeds | morning Cope :-) |
| 18:39.25 | Cope | Woo! What? |
| 18:39.37 | Leeds | T610 |
| 18:39.50 | Cope | Sony/Ericcson? Blue thing? |
| 18:40.22 | Leeds | not blue - that's the P800 |
| 18:41.06 | Cope | Ah - we have a few P800s at work. |
| 18:41.15 | Leeds | *nice* devices |
| 18:41.28 | Cope | Anyway, I now have OZ on the Zaurus - very happy with it. |
| 18:41.45 | Leeds | good |
| 18:41.51 | Cope | Might try to get it masqeraded onto the net tonight. |
| 18:55.56 | new2unix | neat phone Leeds. Did it come free with a contract? |
| 18:56.16 | Cope | I have decided I have to set myself a reading/studying list and work at it systematically |
| 18:56.22 | Cope | I get distracted too easily. |
| 18:56.46 | Cope | Leeds> Any suggestions for something excellent to study right through?/ |
| 18:57.12 | Leeds | new2unix: cheap, not free |
| 18:57.31 | Leeds | Cope: coding? admin? non-techie? |
| 18:59.14 | new2unix | Leeds: was just looking through the tech specs. says it has Digital Rights Management. Whats that? |
| 18:59.22 | Cope | Leeds> Well - coding wise I know my way around a shell script and know BASIC inside out... I guess more admin than coding atm - if I was to learn coding I would go through a Python or Ruby tutorial |
| 18:59.38 | Cope | And don't laugh at BASIC |
| 18:59.54 | Leeds | new2unix: it means that objects can be marked uncopiable - so you can load things onto the device, but not send them on to someone else... |
| 19:00.01 | Cope | It's what I learned, and I did program in a structured way, and NEVER used GOTO or GOSUB |
| 19:00.11 | Leeds | all the /. weenies complained about that when the phone was announced... |
| 19:00.30 | Leeds | Cope: our C is full of gotos - makes me feel a little uncomfortable |
| 19:01.25 | Leeds | Cope: there are much worse things to do with your time than the python tutorial :-) otherwise, try reading some source for a change - see how other people implement stuff |
| 19:02.01 | Cope | Leeds> Yeah - I had a friend who learned most of what he knows (a hell of a lot) from reading source and RFCs |
| 19:02.44 | Leeds | RFCs are also a good read, if you're wanting to implement something from them... I have the OBEX spec open in xpdf right now :-) |
| 19:09.07 | Cope | Leeds> I have Slackware Unleashed - but it well old... I wonder what Linux stuff is good to read... I tend to dip into HOW-TOs and have nig gaps. ;-| |
| 19:10.48 | Leeds | eh... I read HOWTOs, RFCs, source, and so on... not books |
| 19:11.23 | Cope | Do you tend to hold it in your head? Or come back to reference points? |
| 19:12.32 | Leeds | lots of both |
| 19:12.38 | Leeds | I tend to code with reference docs to hand |
| 19:12.57 | stephanb | my experience with books is that they are out of date by the time they get published |
| 19:13.09 | stephanb | unless it's general stuff |
| 19:13.17 | Cope | I am an avid note-taker - it helps me remember. |
| 19:13.31 | Leeds | stephanb: true for some stuff - absolutely not true for others |
| 19:13.59 | stephanb | my remark concerns strictly books like "red hat unleashed"... |
| 19:14.09 | stephanb | i'm not talking about O'Reiley |
| 19:14.21 | Leeds | stephanb: I'm talking about real books like Stevens :-) |
| 19:14.27 | Cope | I have lots of O'Reiley books. |
| 19:14.48 | Leeds | I have 3 or 4 |
| 19:15.31 | Cope | Sorry - Fawlty Towers |
| 19:15.50 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.53 | Leeds | yeah, me too |
| 19:16.01 | Leeds | O'Reilly Man? |
| 19:16.06 | Cope | lol |
| 19:16.18 | Leeds | orelly man? |
| 19:16.25 | stephanb | I think of "User Obliteration" on The Reg |
| 19:16.30 | Leeds | you are man? |
| 19:17.20 | Cope | Are you being funny? |
| 19:17.50 | Leeds | rarely... |
| 19:18.06 | Cope | Maybe I misquote |
| 19:18.17 | Cope | Actually Manuel is one of my customers. |
| 19:18.21 | Cope | As is Kato. |
| 19:19.28 | Cope | As is Les Dennis and Robbie Williams - but then I am too c00l. |
| 19:19.37 | Leeds | Andrew Sachs(spell?) |
| 19:19.44 | Leeds | blah blah blah... |
| 19:19.46 | Cope | Yeah - lives in West Hampstead |
| 19:19.57 | Cope | Charming Man |
| 19:20.12 | Leeds | we have at least one Oscar - lots of movie credits, and a thank-you on Comic Relief :-) |
| 19:20.22 | Cope | Wicked! |
| 19:20.51 | Cope | Hmm - we were on Richard and Judy last month.... |
| 19:20.53 | Cope | lol! |
| 19:21.04 | Leeds | and you're *proud* of that? |
| 19:21.25 | Cope | And you are right - our website sucks ass... -way- too much badly coded javascript and nasty frames. |
| 19:22.38 | Leeds | Cope: have you read any Stevens? |
| 19:22.44 | Cope | Leeds> So is this the general pattern - after about 8pm there is no-one one bar me and thee? |
| 19:22.52 | Leeds | people come and go |
| 19:23.05 | Cope | Stevens - no - give me a few titles. |
| 19:23.38 | Leeds | go Amazon for him... |
| 19:24.00 | Cope | Hmm.... how lynx-friendly is Amazon! (here goes) |
| 19:24.00 | new2unix | Cope: you think your company site sucks? you should see mine? I'm soo ashamed that i cant tell you what it is. ;) |
| 19:24.17 | Cope | lol @ new2unix |
| 19:24.18 | Leeds | ours isn't bad... |
| 19:24.24 | Cope | Well - at least I didn't code it. |
| 19:24.50 | new2unix | Our website team are soo clueless they make me look good. hah |
| 19:24.54 | Cope | I could probably handle the back end - database queries and stuff - but anything artistic - forget it! |
| 19:25.38 | Cope | Although of course that presupposes that tightly coded database queries are not artistic; which I would hold they are. |
| 19:27.59 | Cope | Well - at least I didn't get frames messages. |
| 19:28.07 | Leeds | are they like realdolls? |
| 19:28.23 | new2unix | dunno. what are realdolls? |
| 19:28.39 | Leeds | not walking talking ones |
| 19:29.09 | Leeds | young ones isn't exactly contemporary... |
| 19:29.44 | new2unix | "contemporary" is the keyword here. |
| 19:30.43 | Cope | lol |
| 19:30.44 | new2unix | Cope: what dynasty did it appear in? the Sun one? hah |
| 19:31.19 | Cope | new2unix> song |
| 19:31.19 | Leeds | new2unix: you do anything genetic? |
| 19:31.42 | new2unix | Leeds: nope. why did you ask? |
| 19:31.49 | Leeds | new2unix: with robots, I mean |
| 19:31.59 | Leeds | and/or alife |
| 19:32.21 | Cope | The one are that fascinates me more than any other is AI |
| 19:32.45 | Cope | Sure - you need a HUGE brain, and to have digested FAR too many algorithms to even start... but there you go. |
| 19:33.08 | new2unix | Leeds: have you been to the site? its a parts work based off of robot Wars. |
| 19:33.30 | Leeds | new2unix: ah, so no actual robotics involved at all then |
| 19:33.31 | eye69 | I'm trying to find a good place to live, where I can get a 2 bedroom flat for something like £700-800, with no more than 30min train/tube to central London. Any ideas? |
| 19:33.37 | new2unix | Its the brain work of the ever popular Prof from reading University with the implant. Whats his name again? |
| 19:33.45 | Cope | eye69 Impossible |
| 19:33.46 | Leeds | captain cyborg |
| 19:34.03 | Leeds | eye69: not in this part of London |
| 19:34.24 | eye69 | Well, 2 bedroom or a large 1 bed. |
| 19:34.41 | Leeds | for one large sleeper? :-) |
| 19:34.54 | Cope | eye69 The cheapest part of London is woolwich or plumstead - no tube but there is a train and its cycleable. |
| 19:34.59 | Leeds | ah, Lost is on again |
| 19:35.05 | new2unix | Leeds: i wish. Its like windows to a unix geek. It sucks. its just plug and play. The components are already made in our factory in China. We dont get that much of a say in its design or long/short term life. |
| 19:35.19 | eye69 | I don't want to live in a closet. Now I have a 2bedroom flat in Grays (about 35-40 minutes to Fenchurch St). |
| 19:35.39 | Cope | 2 bed flat - probably 800-1000 |
| 19:35.46 | eye69 | Cope: There are flats to be had in Barking, but I don't want to live in a crime center. |
| 19:35.56 | Leeds | eye69: welcome to London |
| 19:36.06 | Cope | Woolwich is okay - proximate to the river and on-the-up |
| 19:36.11 | Cope | I will be moving there in Feb |
| 19:36.36 | eye69 | What travel time are we talking about? |
| 19:36.40 | Cope | eye69 Barking sucks more than Internet Explorer |
| 19:37.07 | Cope | eye69 Well its 9 miles from centre - so 30 mins if you cycle at my speed |
| 19:37.12 | eye69 | Cope: Yeah, I don't _want_ to live there. |
| 19:37.34 | stephanb | good motivation for martial arts training though |
| 19:37.40 | stephanb | that's what i miss |
| 19:37.53 | eye69 | Miss getting robbed? :) |
| 19:37.53 | Cope | Where are you based now stephanb? |
| 19:38.13 | stephanb | w11 / w2 wesside ! |
| 19:38.29 | stephanb | westbourne park to be precise |
| 19:38.56 | Cope | eye69> Cope's top tip - Cricklewood kicks ass - a bit more expensive and rough than woolwich, but cheap, great restaurants, good shops, tube 15 mins away (zone 2), train, buses. |
| 19:39.47 | eye69 | Cope: But nowhere near the crime rate of Barking? |
| 19:40.23 | eye69 | The problem is that I've been living in Essex for 1.5yrs, so I don't have a clue of n-s-w. |
| 19:40.45 | eye69 | ...and I'm not from the UK. |
| 19:41.20 | Leeds | new south wales? |
| 19:41.24 | Cope | eye69 - cricklewood is nw2 - not as bad as barking |
| 19:41.38 | Cope | eye69 - lots of irish alcoholics |
| 19:42.05 | eye69 | I don't have a big problem with alcoholics. They tend to go down easier that junkies. |
| 19:42.27 | Cope | Indeed |
| 19:43.25 | eye69 | Oops. |
| 19:43.33 | Cope | Look and see - I bet it enters the top 5 geek typos. |
| 19:45.09 | stephanb | alcoholics are easy martial arts practice : they move in slo-mo, like during training |
| 19:45.21 | stephanb | also you don't have to strike, block is enough |
| 19:56.03 | Leeds | yes! |
| 19:56.07 | Leeds | we have bluetooth! |
| 19:57.11 | eye69 | Leeds: Cool |
| 19:57.27 | eye69 | What have you done? |
| 19:58.43 | Leeds | well, so far, I've made an OBEX connection over BT from my iPAQ to my phone... |
| 19:58.55 | Leeds | doesn't *do* anything yet - but they're talking |
| 20:17.42 | JD | hi all |
| 20:22.22 | stephanb | JD: well helloooooh there ! |
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| 20:29.54 | formi | oi |
| 20:31.08 | zachary | evening formi |
| 20:31.15 | formi | hi |
| 20:31.26 | formi | here for a few minutes |
| 20:31.42 | formi | just wondering if people are having trouble with by |
| 20:32.13 | formi | my server seems to be having trouble getting dhcp leases |
| 20:38.19 | Clyphox | Anyone here got a paypal account? |
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| 20:39.50 | *** join/#gllug sash (voidzero@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) |
| 20:40.01 | Cope | Woo sash! |
| 20:41.12 | eye69 | Clyphox: Yes, sadly. |
| 20:41.18 | eye69 | Clyphox: Never use it though. |
| 20:41.29 | sash | Hello Cope. |
| 20:41.38 | Clyphox | know a better way to transfer cash online? |
| 20:42.10 | eye69 | Clyphox: There are sites, but I think of any now. |
| 20:42.23 | eye69 | Clyphox: www.paypalwarning.com |
| 20:42.36 | eye69 | Thanks. |
| 20:44.46 | eye69 | Clyphox: Ahh. |
| 20:46.09 | Cope | :has had no bad experienecs |
| 20:51.18 | Cope | Super value - 2 veg dishes, rice, 2 breads, wine - 7.50 pounds! |
| 21:00.40 | SpudULike | Cope: Is that the one next to the Windmill? |
| 21:01.58 | Cope | spudulike - other side - Sri Lankan palce on Crick B'Way |
| 21:03.03 | Cope | wow |
| 21:03.22 | Cope | Awesome. |
| 21:04.27 | Cope | 2000 vintage (one of the best in 20 years) Wolfblass (top Ozzie house) Shiraz-Cabernet (Classic Ozzie Mix) and blagged for free because the bloke had no idea what it was! |
| 21:05.11 | SpudULike | I bet they know their Cobra! |
| 21:05.28 | Cope | Bet they do! |
| 21:05.49 | Cope | Where do you hang out, SpudULike? |
| 21:06.18 | SpudULike | The airing cupboard mainly. |
| 21:06.21 | Cope | lol |
| 21:06.42 | Cope | Silly Potato. |
| 21:08.03 | SpudULike | Hmmm. I don't get to do much hanging out these days. I live in Euston / Camden Town though. |
| 21:08.23 | Cope | You are mega busy? What doing? |
| 21:09.07 | SpudULike | Sending children to bed mostly. Family and social life are far from compatible. |
| 21:09.27 | Cope | heh - I have that to look forward to! Baby expected in December |
| 21:10.18 | SpudULike | Congratulations. |
| 21:10.54 | Cope | gf is reading a section from a baby book about what clothes a baby needs! |
| 21:12.38 | SpudULike | From memory, best to stick to easily washable cloths. |
| 21:14.32 | SpudULike | Well, you know what they say about Pringles? |
| 21:15.03 | Cope | lol |
| 21:15.13 | zachary | SpudULike: "Once you start, ya can't stop!" |
| 21:15.14 | zachary | :) |
| 21:15.28 | SpudULike | Once you pop, yeah. |
| 21:15.46 | Cope | Woo zachary |
| 21:16.11 | Cope | This wine is seriously good. |
| 21:16.19 | Cope | Someone stop me drinking it all. |
| 21:16.53 | stephanb | k, i'm off to bed |
| 21:17.02 | Cope | Bah |
| 21:17.05 | zachary | Cope: Stop drinking! |
| 21:17.07 | Cope | Night then. |
| 21:17.24 | Cope | zachary> Erm - I have had half a glas. |
| 21:17.37 | SpudULike | nn, stephanb |
| 21:18.02 | stephanb | SpudULike: thanks |
| 21:18.05 | *** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-199-144.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 21:18.05 | zachary | Cope: Ok then, quite bragging. |
| 21:18.22 | Cope | zachary> *grins* ok |
| 21:19.30 | SpudULike | If the wine is so good, isn't there a real danger of it going off very quickly? Shouldn't you just drink up? |
| 21:20.24 | Cope | Spudulike> Ahh... wine like this is generally ok for 24 hours |
| 21:20.45 | SpudULike | +-23 hours? |
| 21:21.17 | Cope | Spudulike> lol - old career - used to work in wine industry |
| 21:21.57 | SpudULike | Hmm, lucky Cope. |
| 21:22.28 | Cope | heh - now I work in what may loosely be called the 'Hifi Industry' |
| 21:23.33 | SpudULike | You sell, make, sing? |
| 21:23.47 | Cope | Sell - and other stuff |
| 21:23.57 | Cope | www.cornflake.co.uk |
| 21:24.16 | Cope | Excuse the terrible java and html |
| 21:24.22 | Cope | I didn't code it. |
| 21:25.26 | zachary | good night |
| 21:25.31 | Cope | nn zachary |
| 21:25.43 | SpudULike | nn |
| 21:26.04 | Cope | Aww - zachary is really nice - well seemed so when I met him last week. |
| 21:26.47 | SpudULike | Hmm, Spud thinks that someone has hacked the site. Someone much have been at the price list and timed stuff by ten. |
| 21:27.03 | SpudULike | Surely, tell me it's so? |
| 21:27.29 | Cope | lol - nope prices are generally accurate |
| 21:28.16 | SpudULike | That you in the photo, by Opening hours? |
| 21:28.29 | Cope | Um - steve nelson in staff |
| 21:28.57 | Cope | Anyway - bed time - my -gorgeous- gf is -begging- me to come to bed!! |
| 21:29.19 | Cope | Night all |
| 21:33.11 | Leeds | night |
| 21:46.54 | Leeds | you escaped the waves? |
| 21:50.34 | Leeds | why? |
| 21:50.59 | Cope|Escaped | Not tired - had a lovely cuddle, and she fell asleep. |
| 22:13.41 | Leeds | actually... might have to do a little coding after all... |
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| 22:20.31 | A4266 | 'lo |
| 22:20.54 | Leeds | evening |
| 22:21.47 | A4266 | just saying hi. Going now :) |
| 22:21.59 | Leeds | bye |
| 22:22.02 | A4266|gone | oops |
| 22:22.09 | A4266|gone | cya Leeds |
| 22:34.17 | Cope | Still there, North Circular? |
| 22:34.41 | Leeds | whO? |
| 22:35.32 | Leeds | A406 |
| 22:40.19 | Cope | Given that I lost my license there we ought to be familiar! |
| 22:44.07 | Leeds | going too fast? |
| 22:45.06 | Cope | Yeah - 49 in a 40 |
| 22:46.32 | Leeds | whoa - banned for that? |
| 22:46.53 | Leeds | was this recently? |
| 22:51.02 | gregj | hi |
| 22:51.18 | gregj | wazup london geeks |
| 22:52.13 | Leeds | the sky... |
| 22:53.57 | gregj | ?? |
| 22:54.24 | Cope | Hey gregj |
| 22:54.32 | Cope | leeds> Yeah - last month |
| 22:54.58 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 22:55.19 | Leeds | I saw someone being pulled over into Brent Cross last month... |
| 22:55.45 | Cope | That sucks |
| 22:55.51 | gregj | i just find out that our problems with email servers were closed in one simple file called /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:56.00 | gregj | and just becouse we were using BT DNS servers....... |
| 22:56.01 | gregj | no comment |
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| 22:56.24 | Cope | I have been having massive problems with pipex pop servers |
| 22:56.32 | Leeds | Cope: I'd been gently racing someone down the M1... let him go... police went after him on the motorway, pulled him over into Brent Cross |
| 22:56.46 | Cope | leeds> Lucky for you! |
| 22:56.48 | gregj | qmail server checks if he runs in FQD |
| 22:57.19 | Leeds | Cope: yeah - scared me though... |
| 22:57.37 | Cope | I have set up several work account to forward to pipex - but the pop server often is unavailable.... |
| 22:57.48 | Cope | try traceroute - gives up. |
| 22:58.01 | gregj | and |
| 22:58.15 | gregj | it all was happening after i changed kernel on servers |
| 22:58.20 | Cope | Heh - well - I guess I need to get the imap server I am supposed to make up and rinning soon |
| 22:58.22 | Leeds | gregj: ECN? |
| 22:58.41 | gregj | so managers (fscking bastards) asked me to run previous kernel back (2.2.15) |
| 22:58.49 | gregj | Leeds: no, i am saying FQD |
| 22:59.14 | gregj | Leeds: problem with ECN was, but it was just matter of changeing option in /proc/sys/net/ipv4.... |
| 22:59.16 | Leeds | wtf is FQD |
| 22:59.26 | gregj | fully qualif. domain |
| 22:59.44 | gregj | domain that you can get from revDNS |
| 23:00.01 | Leeds | ah |
| 23:00.17 | gregj | sorry, it should be FQDN :] |
| 23:00.27 | gregj | my dump english.. |
| 23:00.44 | Cope | :%s/p/b ? |
| 23:01.01 | gregj | ? |
| 23:01.33 | Leeds | ah yes |
| 23:03.13 | Leeds | blah |
| 23:03.20 | Leeds | obex not working :-( |
| 23:03.27 | Cope | Bah! |
| 23:03.48 | Cope | NAT not working either. |
| 23:04.29 | murble | dns is reversing beep beep beep |
| 23:04.54 | Cope | Warning! This DNS is reversing! |
| 23:04.56 | Cope | lol |
| 23:05.08 | gregj | maybe i will do one more thing and commit it and i am off to bed |
| 23:05.20 | Cope | gregj - then you are a better man than me |
| 23:05.35 | Cope | I am crap at going to bed if I have a problem to iron out |
| 23:05.48 | Cope | I just keep keep keep going. |
| 23:05.52 | Leeds | I have too much stuff to do... |
| 23:05.59 | gregj | me to |
| 23:06.09 | gregj | we are closing release by the end of next week |
| 23:06.10 | Cope | I am sure I do no good to myself or the problem. |
| 23:06.10 | gregj | (1st) |
| 23:10.39 | gregj | on which channel |
| 23:10.57 | Leeds | TiVo :-) |
| 23:11.06 | gregj | ? |
| 23:11.12 | gregj | oh |
| 23:11.13 | gregj | i know |
| 23:21.26 | Cope | ok chums - bed for me |
| 23:22.14 | Leeds | on Sunday? |
| 23:22.21 | gregj | yep |
| 23:22.32 | gregj | sorry, i used /me instead of /msg |
| 23:23.22 | Leeds | was nice |
| 23:23.47 | Leeds | mmm... JAva phone... |
| 23:24.09 | gregj | :] |
| 23:24.10 | Leeds | hmm... didn't work |
| 23:24.18 | gregj | java sux |
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| 23:28.11 | formi | only if I could earn money by moaning |
| 23:31.52 | Cope|zzzz | Ok - bed for real. |
| 23:31.54 | Cope|zzzz | nn all |
| 23:31.59 | Leeds | night |