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| 06:59.33 | zachary | moin |
| 07:03.36 | Cope|Bed | morning zachary |
| 07:39.14 | Cope | ibot seen zachary |
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| 08:53.24 | SpudULike | There is still a free (both senses (-; ) ticket for a recording for Fightbox, a new TV show from the BBC. The recording is at TV Centre, Wood Lane, nr Shepherds Bush. You'll need to be able to get there about 17.30. Anyone interested? |
| 08:54.25 | SpudULike | Come on ibot, you come. You'll be able to relate to it the most! |
| 09:37.37 | eye69 | SpudULike: What kind of program? |
| 09:39.04 | eye69 | Sounds interesting. Never been to a recording. |
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| 09:50.08 | highbury | http://www.phildowd.com/funny/techsupport.php |
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| 09:51.12 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 09:52.20 | highbury | morning jason |
| 09:55.31 | cup | amusing |
| 09:55.47 | nasrat | grr! laptop hard drive dying |
| 09:55.56 | eye69 | nasrat: Ouch. |
| 09:56.55 | nasrat | I have been caning it - compiling X lots and stressing with 2.5/2.6 |
| 09:57.03 | nasrat | I'll just replace it with a bigger one :) |
| 09:57.07 | highbury | how does one dispose of an old pc case legitimately? (i.e not dumping at the side of the road) |
| 09:57.27 | eye69 | highbury: Haven't a clue when it comes to the UK. |
| 09:57.50 | jason_ukfsn | fill it with concrete and sell it as art? |
| 09:57.58 | eye69 | jason_ukfsn: Hehe. |
| 09:59.44 | highbury | I still remember them building the concrete house in the EastEnd, the one where they pumped concrete in then pulled away the brickwork |
| 10:00.07 | highbury | it was just on my bus route to Canary Wharf, it was real cool |
| 10:00.21 | highbury | just a shame when the council demeanded it be pulled down |
| 10:01.12 | highbury | Bethnal Green? well at least near the church with the Pentagrams in the window |
| 10:04.33 | eye69 | http://www.sysadminday.com/ |
| 10:05.03 | nasrat | it's that time of year |
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| 11:40.36 | JD | w00t SAAD |
| 11:45.48 | gregj | it is |
| 11:49.52 | cup | Could someone point me to a site with a good discussion about the sco linux thing |
| 11:51.45 | gregj | there is no such i guess |
| 11:51.54 | gregj | you just have to watch and read everything |
| 12:06.31 | zachary | brb |
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| 12:44.35 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
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| 12:55.18 | SPQR | 'lo |
| 12:57.15 | SPQR | yo bru |
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| 13:20.37 | mei_lin | hi, how do i view an application/octet-stream file. Also known as an ApplicationDouble encoded Machintosh file save as a pdf file. kghostview won't work. |
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| 13:44.44 | JD | Xiaoqi: ping |
| 13:44.48 | JD | Clyphox: ping |
| 13:45.02 | Clyphox | oink |
| 13:45.07 | Clyphox | Howzit? |
| 13:48.06 | JD | Clyphox: how long are you in Aberdeen for? |
| 13:48.27 | Clyphox | quite awhile.. till Xiaoqi finished Uni |
| 13:48.53 | Clyphox | getting married here next year August 7th too |
| 13:48.59 | Clyphox | so at least another year |
| 13:49.07 | JD | what year is nikki in? |
| 13:49.11 | JD | 1st or 2nd? |
| 13:49.22 | Clyphox | 1st |
| 13:49.27 | Clyphox | going into 2nd now iirc |
| 13:49.31 | JD | hmmm |
| 13:49.36 | murble | Clyphox: are you coming to Edlug next thursday? |
| 13:49.44 | JD | Clyphox: there should be no iirc |
| 13:50.23 | Clyphox | murble: yeah.. but just for beer and meeting all the geeks afterwards.. I'm cash strapped |
| 13:50.39 | Clyphox | plus I wanna play frisbee and say hi to other friends in the daytime |
| 13:50.45 | murble | cool, well i might see ya then. |
| 13:50.55 | Clyphox | indeed :-) |
| 13:50.57 | murble | I'm free wedesday afternoon in Edinburgh as well. |
| 13:51.10 | JD | Clyphox: can I ask how much you are paying on rent? |
| 13:51.32 | Clyphox | 350 atm.. two bedrooms,kitchen |
| 13:51.47 | JD | Clyphox: hmm |
| 13:51.55 | JD | how many people? |
| 13:52.00 | JD | just the 2 of you?> |
| 13:52.04 | Clyphox | looking at getting a huge house and sharing it with geeks.. so we can have lower rent once its split up.. |
| 13:52.09 | Clyphox | JD: just 2 atm |
| 13:52.26 | JD | I assume you have it until next July |
| 13:52.34 | Clyphox | if its split up we can all cluster our openmosix boxen too muhaha |
| 13:52.51 | Clyphox | JD: no its only ours till Sept.. |
| 13:52.58 | Clyphox | looking like mad atm |
| 13:52.59 | JD | Clyphox: what is your postcode? |
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| 13:56.03 | Clyphox | AB24 3LA |
| 13:56.10 | Clyphox | yes I have DSL |
| 14:00.34 | SPQR | its 07866904689 |
| 14:00.43 | Clyphox | thanks |
| 14:59.32 | nasrat | wb Jenson |
| 15:00.26 | Jenson | hey nasrat honey |
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| 17:52.51 | stephanb | "hellooooh... anybody here ?" (Stanley Kubrick's The Shining) |
| 18:31.56 | irvined_ | No, Go Away. (Monty Python - The Life of Brian) |
| 18:35.17 | Jenson | heya |
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| 18:35.30 | Jenson | heya Leeds |
| 18:35.30 | irvined_ | hi jrq |
| 18:35.31 | stephanb | Jenson: heya |
| 18:35.31 | irvined_ | erm |
| 18:35.34 | irvined_ | hi Jenson |
| 18:35.37 | Leeds | hey Jenson |
| 18:36.30 | Leeds | how is everyone on this fine, sunny, cloudy evening? |
| 18:36.48 | stephanb | Leeds: sabbath shalom |
| 18:37.00 | Leeds | stephanb: and a gut shabbos to you :-) |
| 18:37.11 | Jenson | its like autumn ffs |
| 18:37.19 | stephanb | Leeds: thank you |
| 18:37.22 | irvined_ | i'm very well thank you leeds |
| 18:37.38 | irvined_ | How are things going your side of the m25? |
| 18:37.41 | Leeds | Jenson: it's almost August, after all... |
| 18:37.52 | Jenson | Leeds: exactly |
| 18:38.21 | stephanb | irvined_: why is the weather different on the other side of the m25 ? |
| 18:38.50 | Leeds | irvined_: south, you mean? not bad :-) |
| 18:39.11 | irvined_ | stephen: because my side of the m25 is 96 miles away |
| 18:39.28 | Jenson | irvined_: where are you ATM hon? |
| 18:39.45 | Leeds | the 3 is silent... |
| 18:39.49 | stephanb | funky software ? what is that ? |
| 18:39.52 | Jenson | Leeds: yeh lol |
| 18:40.31 | Leeds | Jenson: you know Tom Lehrer? |
| 18:40.44 | Jenson | Leeds: yeh a little |
| 18:41.00 | irvined_ | stephanb: PDART linux, well its a tool for automagically reinstalling compute nodes and other machines from scratch automagically using pxe |
| 18:41.02 | Leeds | he used that joke many decades ago... |
| 18:41.05 | irvined_ | and rsync. |
| 18:41.16 | Jenson | Leeds: Do you like Mitch Benn? |
| 18:41.29 | stephanb | irvined_: is that for networked worksations ? |
| 18:41.31 | irvined_ | and also porting linux-bbc to pxe/diskless so i can use it to fix remote machines |
| 18:41.42 | stephanb | irvined_: eventually diskless workstations ? |
| 18:42.01 | irvined_ | stephanb: yeah, well specifically cluster nodes but it will work on anythgin |
| 18:42.30 | irvined_ | the idea is that when you get a machine that trashes its disk or loses its lilo you can boot it off the network and fix it remotely without ever having to leave the nice comforts of your sysadmin chair |
| 18:42.46 | Leeds | irvined_: sounds cool |
| 18:42.47 | irvined_ | i send a fresh disk to our customer they put it in the machine turn it on, i remotely reinstall it |
| 18:43.01 | irvined_ | or machine dies, i reboot it remotely log in over the serial line and see whats broked. |
| 18:43.06 | stephanb | irvined_: is it like this stuff that impressed me when i went to an easyeverything internet café, an entire os (win95) is uploaded to your machine b4 you start ? |
| 18:43.25 | irvined_ | sort of, but it wont do it every time its booted |
| 18:43.47 | irvined_ | at present, every machine is set to boot off the network, it boots up says, hello world can i have an ip address and a microkernel |
| 18:43.55 | stephanb | irvined_: how does it deal with diversity of hardware ? you have disk images for each machine ? |
| 18:44.00 | irvined_ | gets it, loads the microkernel and says ok now what, and the boot server says boot of your local disk |
| 18:44.15 | irvined_ | or if its dead, it says ok boot off the network |
| 18:44.27 | stephanb | irvined_: microkernel ? so that's not using linux. |
| 18:44.30 | irvined_ | well the rescue environment will work for any hardware suppored by linux-bbc |
| 18:44.56 | irvined_ | the microkernel is just a fancy bootloader |
| 18:45.11 | irvined_ | for my rescue environment that boots a linux kernel and mounts root over nfs |
| 18:45.17 | irvined_ | and root is based on the linux bbc tools |
| 18:45.40 | Jenson | irvined_: have you got cleverer since i last saw you? |
| 18:46.18 | Leeds | reithian software? |
| 18:46.18 | irvined_ | and for reinstall it takes an nfs / directory and a partition table file and then creates the partitions formats and mounts them, then rsyncs, chroots, runs lilo unmounts and reboots. |
| 18:46.36 | irvined_ | Jenson: hehe, no i've just got mroe fed up of going up and down the country fixing disk failures |
| 18:46.49 | Leeds | http://support.bbc.co.uk/support/mrtg/spamfilt0.reith/loadavg.html |
| 18:47.38 | Jenson | BBL |
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| 18:48.38 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 18:48.54 | Leeds | scantily-clad shiney women on ToTP |
| 18:49.18 | Leeds | with powertools... |
| 18:49.22 | irvined_ | shinyness |
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| 18:49.51 | stephanb | Leeds: that's not cocher |
| 18:49.53 | Leeds | nope |
| 18:49.54 | Leeds | but it is kosher :-) |
| 18:49.58 | stephanb | they can wear those suits |
| 18:50.04 | stephanb | but not with powertools |
| 18:50.30 | irvined_ | lo |
| 18:50.35 | Leeds | hi |
| 18:50.36 | irvined_ | just wait till they bring out the dremel |
| 18:50.53 | Leeds | moved onto some male scousers now... |
| 18:50.56 | stephanb | dremel ! |
| 18:51.04 | stephanb | pneumatic drill yeah ! |
| 18:51.22 | irvined_ | Eh? Eh? Calm Down Calm Down. |
| 18:51.27 | Leeds | lol |
| 18:51.40 | irvined_ | Ferrrrrrry Crrrroossss the MErrrrrrseeeeeey |
| 18:51.51 | Leeds | aye |
| 18:53.11 | Leeds | my nick has been Liverpool in the past... |
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| 19:06.00 | Tarragon | Not a thing you normally admit to - being an honourary Scouser |
| 19:06.13 | Leeds | I'm proud of it |
| 19:06.35 | Tarragon | Proud of going and surviving |
| 19:06.52 | Leeds | that too :-) |
| 19:30.21 | Leeds | argh Big Brother! nearly over though |
| 19:33.25 | irvined_ | My colluegue's from Birkenhead |
| 19:33.45 | irvined_ | he made a priceless joke the other week about a rack |
| 19:34.02 | irvined_ | we opened the van and went to wheel it out and there was no wheels on it. |
| 19:34.30 | irvined_ | He was like (to the van man) Oi, have you been via liverpool or something we've got no bloody wheels on our rack |
| 19:34.35 | irvined_ | i was in stiches |
| 19:34.50 | Leeds | heh |
| 19:35.12 | Leeds | we've got a new Jewish Scouse bloke at work - some of my collegues are falling over themselves with the jokes |
| 19:38.17 | stephanb | sorry, as a foreigner i have to ask : what is a "scouse" "scouser" ? |
| 19:39.16 | Leeds | someone from Liverpool or possibly Merseyside |
| 19:40.08 | stephanb | Leeds: and the jokes are made by pple from essex or the east end ? |
| 19:40.27 | Leeds | anyone and everyone :-) |
| 19:40.42 | stephanb | because of his accent ? |
| 19:41.11 | Leeds | accent... traditional characteristics of scousers... a couple of stereotypical TV characters |
| 19:43.08 | stephanb | ah right |
| 19:43.32 | Leeds | hence the "Eh? Eh? Calm Down Calm Down" above |
| 19:43.56 | stephanb | ah |
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| 19:52.53 | Leeds | evening armijn |
| 19:52.55 | armijn | hi |
| 19:53.00 | stephanb | evening armijn |
| 19:53.19 | armijn | doesn't run Linux nor NetBSD :( |
| 19:53.31 | armijn | and I want it to run Linux or NetBSD... |
| 19:53.32 | Leeds | really? |
| 19:53.35 | armijn | really. |
| 19:53.39 | Leeds | what machine? |
| 19:53.45 | armijn | HP Jornada 820 |
| 19:53.47 | Leeds | ah |
| 19:54.04 | Leeds | closed platform |
| 19:54.09 | armijn | not an 820e, because it has a modem |
| 19:54.17 | Leeds | does it even have flash? |
| 19:54.31 | armijn | it has flash and pcmcia and IrDA and VGA and USB |
| 19:55.05 | Leeds | have you *tried* to port it yourself? :-) |
| 19:55.14 | armijn | euh..flash as in...not as in CF you mean... |
| 19:55.27 | armijn | haven't had time, tried to build cross gcc today, not funny |
| 19:55.37 | Leeds | flash as in flash ROM |
| 19:55.50 | armijn | even though I probably only need a stage 1 compiler I think... |
| 19:55.58 | armijn | hmm...flash ROM...don't think so then |
| 19:56.26 | Leeds | makes it a lot harder to change the OS when the OS is in real ROM |
| 19:56.46 | armijn | well, I don't need to change it, as long as I can boot it :) |
| 19:57.00 | armijn | AFAIK WinCE is in real ROM... |
| 19:57.13 | Leeds | so what external storage does it have? |
| 19:57.20 | armijn | CompactFlash |
| 19:57.29 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 19:57.55 | armijn | but the PCMCIA controller isn't supported yet...and the CF thing is on the same controller |
| 19:58.14 | Leeds | CF *is* PCMCIA, give or take |
| 19:58.22 | armijn | exactly :) |
| 19:58.40 | armijn | well, isn't it that CF is like IDE and PCMCIA is like ISA? |
| 19:58.50 | Leeds | nope |
| 19:58.54 | armijn | hmm, that |
| 19:59.00 | armijn | 's what I thought |
| 19:59.09 | Leeds | it's something like CF=PCMCIA~=ISA... |
| 19:59.20 | Leeds | and ATAPI is one of the things you can do over CF/PCMCIA |
| 19:59.45 | armijn | and that's what the CF storage cards use (ATAPI that is)? |
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| 19:59.56 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:00.01 | armijn | ok, I dig :) |
| 20:00.09 | Leeds | but there's also a direct access method, more like memory access |
| 20:00.19 | Leeds | AFAIK people tend to use the ATAPI |
| 20:01.07 | armijn | no one is actively working on support for this particular platform |
| 20:01.14 | Cope | Evening |
| 20:01.18 | armijn | hi |
| 20:01.22 | Leeds | that's because no-one likes you. |
| 20:01.24 | Leeds | hey cope |
| 20:01.33 | armijn | leeds: I know, that's my problem... |
| 20:01.54 | armijn | leeds: I'm part time journalist...must have killed my reputation |
| 20:01.55 | Leeds | Cope: try armijn - people like *me* :-) |
| 20:02.02 | Leeds | blah hacks |
| 20:02.17 | Cope | lol |
| 20:03.29 | armijn | well, mebbe I should take the pre-built gcc toolchain from handhelds.org... |
| 20:03.44 | armijn | building a cross compiling gcc is not fun |
| 20:03.48 | Leeds | armijn: might be a start... |
| 20:04.20 | armijn | hmmyeah. |
| 20:04.23 | Cope | What's a DBM library? |
| 20:04.30 | Cope | Apparently exim needs one. |
| 20:05.43 | Leeds | database manager/management |
| 20:05.58 | armijn | Berkeley DB, Gnu DB |
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| 20:06.57 | Cope | ok |
| 20:08.29 | Cope | Hi Zachary |
| 20:08.38 | zachary | hey Cope |
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| 20:09.38 | Cope | Hi stephanb |
| 20:09.47 | stephanb | hi there :-) |
| 20:09.59 | stephanb | what's happening ? |
| 20:10.48 | Cope | I'm drinking beer and reading about installing exim. |
| 20:11.14 | Leeds | I'm eating a Wagon Wheel and thinking about dinner amd/or beer |
| 20:11.39 | stephanb | today i scared myself |
| 20:11.43 | Cope | Oh> |
| 20:11.54 | stephanb | i was in the bathroom and looked at me in the mirror and thought : |
| 20:12.06 | Leeds | argh!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:12.38 | stephanb | my god, i have grown a ponytail, i've started wearing shirts, i am starting to install linux on other computers than my own, and i have attended a LUG meeting |
| 20:12.49 | stephanb | i am turning into a geek ! |
| 20:12.54 | Leeds | got a beard? |
| 20:13.17 | stephanb | no i haven't got a beard |
| 20:13.24 | Leeds | scary artist person |
| 20:13.34 | stephanb | i don't do beard with ponytails. it's either or |
| 20:13.41 | Leeds | yeah |
| 20:13.53 | Leeds | I stopped doing ponytails - and I sort of do beard |
| 20:14.11 | Leeds | ah-ha :-) |
| 20:14.17 | armijn | for me it's too late to do ponytails... |
| 20:14.26 | Leeds | heh |
| 20:14.50 | stephanb | well shaved heads are very popular amongst the male london population |
| 20:15.00 | armijn | ponytails to hide bald spots is a bit...pathetic >:) |
| 20:15.08 | stephanb | i don't know what the french do. Do they wear wigs ? |
| 20:15.12 | armijn | heh, not shaved, just short... |
| 20:16.30 | armijn | I remember seeing a guy at a concert...on top he had it long, in a ponytail and on the sides it was short...or at least supposed to be short. it was already a bit too long so the hairs were standing upright and it just looked like they had cut open his head and there were this long strings of spaghetti coming out of it... |
| 20:16.35 | armijn | (sorry for the long thing) |
| 20:16.49 | Cope | Ah - I appear to have gdbm, so should be ok |
| 20:17.07 | armijn | that was just...weird |
| 20:17.32 | Cope | stephanb> You are amused at the presence of GNU database routines? |
| 20:18.02 | stephanb | Cope: no, i'm amused at the guy who looks like he's had open scalp brain surgery |
| 20:18.13 | stephanb | and the surgeons have gone for lunch |
| 20:18.14 | Cope | Ah ok - was worried for a moment. |
| 20:18.17 | Leeds | stephanb: what is just for men? |
| 20:18.26 | armijn | well, he actually might have, because he was a jerk... |
| 20:18.51 | stephanb | Leeds: "that's not your dad, he's too old", "just for men takes away the years grey puts on" |
| 20:19.08 | Leeds | armijn: did you see the stuff on the mailing list about the 820? |
| 20:19.15 | armijn | leeds: nope nope |
| 20:19.20 | Leeds | stephanb: thanks but no thanks :-) |
| 20:19.45 | armijn | leeds: that's a hint? so I should read it first before harrasing you? :) |
| 20:19.53 | Leeds | armijn: yes! :-) |
| 20:20.31 | armijn | leeds: but there are so many lists! |
| 20:20.58 | armijn | oh, let me guess "jornada" |
| 20:21.03 | Leeds | armijn: try the one with the thread with someone running Linux on his 820 |
| 20:21.26 | armijn | friom march 2003? |
| 20:21.35 | Leeds | dunno, I've closed it |
| 20:26.28 | armijn | k |
| 20:27.04 | Leeds | found it? |
| 20:27.12 | armijn | yes, found it... |
| 20:27.22 | stephanb | armijn: who is this guy, the name rings a bell... |
| 20:27.30 | armijn | stephanb: Python |
| 20:27.39 | stephanb | aah yess |
| 20:27.54 | armijn | the fact that he's Dutch made the interview a lot easier :) |
| 20:28.22 | Cope | That comment only makes any sense if you are or speak Dutch - neither piece of information I have. |
| 20:28.49 | armijn | ok ok, I forgot "for me" |
| 20:29.16 | Cope | That comment only makes any sense if you are or speak Dutch - neither piece of information I have. |
| 20:29.22 | Leeds | armijn: anything interesting in the interview? |
| 20:29.50 | Cope | Are you publishing it online, armijn? |
| 20:30.27 | armijn | leeds: well, some bits about the history of Python, but nothing that is unknown, bits about Python 2.3, etc. |
| 20:30.41 | armijn | cope: nope, only on treeware |
| 20:33.06 | stephanb | treeware : a word that will get eco-warriors and veggies to fantasize on... |
| 20:35.25 | irvined_ | heh |
| 20:44.30 | stephanb | "no animal testing has been used to develop this software" |
| 20:47.12 | Leeds | dolphin-friendly? |
| 20:48.57 | stephanb | "this new motherboard has been thoroughly tested not to emit ultrasounds that disturb marine mammals..." |
| 20:49.16 | stephanb | "should you choos to use this motherboard in a submersible environment" |
| 20:55.27 | Leeds | there have been attempts at 'ethical licenses' forbidding use in nuclear, military, etc. orgs. |
| 20:56.12 | armijn | leeds: of dolphons? |
| 20:56.16 | armijn | dolphins |
| 20:56.19 | stephanb | i'm not sure it's such a smart idea |
| 20:56.56 | stephanb | considering that for instance, the french army were very quick to adopt linux |
| 20:57.10 | stephanb | for obvious economical, political and ideological reasons |
| 20:57.40 | stephanb | yeh well, water conducts electricity |
| 20:57.53 | stephanb | not as well as copper wire, but it still does conduct |
| 20:58.17 | armijn | yeah, be glad it didn't rain copper! |
| 20:58.45 | new2unix | SpudULike: hi'ya |
| 20:58.49 | new2unix | hi all :) |
| 20:58.56 | stephanb | hmmm, not good for power lines and aerials if it rained copper ! |
| 20:59.03 | stephanb | new2unix: hiya |
| 20:59.16 | Jenson | why i had my 2 day old phone in the rain is the good question lol |
| 20:59.16 | new2unix | hi stephanb |
| 20:59.48 | armijn | jenson: because you are addicted to calling and text messaging people |
| 21:00.11 | Jenson | armijn: yeh i was trying to text nasrat to complain about the weather lol |
| 21:00.34 | armijn | jenson: your phone provider must love you... |
| 21:00.42 | new2unix | Jenson: heoo. |
| 21:00.46 | new2unix | hello even |
| 21:00.54 | Jenson | heya new2unix |
| 21:01.07 | JD | hi all |
| 21:01.22 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 21:04.03 | new2unix | doesn anyone know if the vodaphone gprs pcmcia card works with linux? |
| 21:04.21 | Leeds | probably should look like a modem, I think |
| 21:05.50 | Leeds | a serial modem, that is |
| 21:06.04 | new2unix | we bought two today at work and tested it on Windows. was pretty slow at about 45K/sec |
| 21:06.28 | Leeds | I wouldn't expect much more than that from GPRS |
| 21:07.07 | new2unix | neat concept though, just wish it was a fatter pipe ;) |
| 21:07.55 | Leeds | yeah |
| 21:08.01 | Leeds | also - still expensive |
| 21:08.39 | new2unix | dont think i'll be given the chance to test it with linux as they both go to their respecive owners by Tuesday :( |
| 21:08.58 | stephanb | http://www.sysadminday.com/ |
| 21:09.03 | stephanb | click on "cartoons" |
| 21:09.58 | new2unix | does the blackberry work with only Exchange? does anyone know? |
| 21:17.55 | Leeds | I think it's pretty closed... |
| 21:18.32 | new2unix | Leeds: ok, cheers |
| 21:18.44 | Leeds | but I have nothing to base that on, so don't trust me |
| 21:20.52 | JD | so how are people? |
| 21:21.23 | Jenson | im alright |
| 21:21.40 | Jenson | ive decided to apply for a new bank account coz i want 2 like everyone else |
| 21:21.53 | Leeds | 2 |
| 21:21.55 | JD | Jenson: that is not a good reason |
| 21:22.07 | JD | in fact that is a very bad reason |
| 21:22.39 | Leeds | I have 1 current, 2 savings (ISA), 2 credit cards (only use one...) |
| 21:22.53 | JD | 2 ISAs? |
| 21:23.08 | Leeds | 2 years |
| 21:23.10 | stephanb | JD: i think you can open one every tax year |
| 21:23.25 | Leeds | stephanb: right |
| 21:23.26 | Jenson | JD: and im still mad at vodafone for refusing me for a contract |
| 21:23.26 | JD | stephanb: I don't think you can |
| 21:23.42 | Leeds | I missed this year due to new car - no money to invest |
| 21:23.49 | JD | iirc you can only have one, but you can put 3000 in it each year |
| 21:24.02 | Jenson | JD: no i want 2 bank accounts so that when i bother to get a second job i can get paid into a second account, might stop me spending so much |
| 21:24.05 | Leeds | JD: no, you're right |
| 21:24.32 | Leeds | JD: I also have an old savings account at the building society, which I keep as it's no longer open and the interest is decent... |
| 21:24.44 | Leeds | argh |
| 21:24.47 | JD | Leeds: that is a bit of a surprise |
| 21:24.56 | JD | old accounts tend to be really shit |
| 21:25.01 | Leeds | Friends spin-off Joey is coming |
| 21:25.15 | JD | aaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh |
| 21:25.26 | JD | lets take the stupid one and run with it |
| 21:25.44 | Leeds | JD: it's an old 'young person's' account and they only give the young saver's rate if you keep the account open |
| 21:25.54 | Leeds | JD: he's probably the easiest to write jokes for... |
| 21:26.15 | JD | did anyone just watch the really bad graphics on LDN? |
| 21:26.26 | Leeds | LDN? |
| 21:26.37 | JD | london news on BBC |
| 21:26.44 | Leeds | ah |
| 21:27.46 | Leeds | Jenson: it's called budgeting |
| 21:28.20 | Jenson | Leeds: yeh, I've got £4 til April 2 |
| 21:28.21 | Leeds | not that I'm any good at it... |
| 21:28.50 | JD | Jenson: you have 4 GBP until next year? |
| 21:28.53 | Leeds | 4 pounds for 8 months??? |
| 21:29.04 | JD | that does seem a bit harsh |
| 21:29.17 | Leeds | hmm... 50p per month? |
| 21:29.30 | Jenson | April |
| 21:29.34 | Jenson | I think I mean August |
| 21:29.48 | Leeds | you're saving up for my birthday? |
| 21:29.49 | JD | hmmm a it hard to get them confused |
| 21:29.56 | JD | one is a week away |
| 21:30.02 | JD | the other is 8 months away |
| 21:30.05 | Jenson | JD: I am blonde though |
| 21:30.14 | Leeds | JD: be nice... they both start with A |
| 21:30.23 | Leeds | easy mistake for a blonde |
| 21:30.30 | Jenson | ty Leeds |
| 21:30.34 | JD | Jenson: that would excuse most things |
| 21:30.35 | Leeds | np |
| 21:30.36 | JD | but not that |
| 21:31.10 | Jenson | fsck me, i CBA to go find my employment details now, I think I'll do that applictation in the morning |
| 21:31.11 | armijn | yeah, not all blondes are dumb... |
| 21:31.53 | JD | what ever |
| 21:32.06 | Leeds | so... |
| 21:32.20 | Leeds | I got a letter this morning addressed to "Mr and Mrs R Cohen" |
| 21:32.33 | JD | hmmm |
| 21:32.35 | Leeds | I'm going to have to e-mail them and thank them for the compliment :-) |
| 21:32.41 | JD | is there something you aren't telling us? |
| 21:32.42 | Jenson | Leeds: lol |
| 21:32.51 | armijn | it must be the beertits... |
| 21:32.59 | stephanb | and your name is Ravenstein ? or is it that you are single ? |
| 21:33.01 | Leeds | armijn is closest... :-( |
| 21:33.49 | armijn | beertits aren't that bad...as long as it was good beer... |
| 21:34.04 | JD | tits are better |
| 21:34.08 | Jenson | Capital One sent me the stupid application letter this morning --twice, i onlt wanted the bloody thing once, and i dont seem to have any bank statements from recently, i ripped them up coz i just use online banking, so now my credit card application is gonna be kinda screwed |
| 21:35.13 | new2unix | dump/dd which would you prefer for backups, all? |
| 21:35.18 | JD | Jenson: you don't want a credit cardthey are evil things |
| 21:35.25 | JD | tar |
| 21:35.32 | Jenson | JD: need to build my credit rating |
| 21:35.48 | JD | Jenson: you can do it in a better way than with a credit card |
| 21:36.04 | JD | they are too easy to ruin credit ratings |
| 21:36.19 | armijn | yeah, what's it with this credit card? |
| 21:36.24 | armijn | they're not popular here at all |
| 21:36.24 | new2unix | JD: ermm... shold i ask the question again? |
| 21:36.34 | Jenson | stephanb: yeh like my idiot parents |
| 21:36.39 | armijn | (where here is NL) |
| 21:36.43 | Leeds | debit cards are better |
| 21:36.49 | Jenson | i have a debit card |
| 21:36.55 | JD | new2unix: no |
| 21:36.58 | armijn | there are even shops here when you go in with a creditcard (or debit card) they are very surprised |
| 21:37.03 | armijn | nothing like good ol' cash |
| 21:37.12 | Jenson | armijn: i dont use cash if i can avoid it |
| 21:37.18 | JD | and for only one reason |
| 21:37.33 | Jenson | JD: my mate is obsessed with hers ATM, its like ffs woman |
| 21:37.36 | armijn | jenson: why not? |
| 21:37.39 | JD | namely consumer credit act |
| 21:38.04 | Jenson | armijn: coz i had to for 18 years, now i have a proper debit card im gonna use it |
| 21:38.09 | JD | armijn: I try not to use cash because it is untraceable |
| 21:38.29 | JD | Leeds: I had once since school, but I got rid of it after uni cos I didn;t need it |
| 21:38.33 | JD | I still done |
| 21:38.49 | JD | and I intend only to by stuff over 100GP with it |
| 21:39.01 | new2unix | JD: thats the main reason ppl like using cash; its untraceable :) |
| 21:39.26 | Leeds | I generally only use mine for 'stuff' as opposed to day-to-day... for stuff work will pay me back for... and I *always* pay it fof |
| 21:39.27 | JD | new2unix: not here |
| 21:40.43 | armijn | JD: it's untraceable, great :) |
| 21:40.54 | JD | new2unix: it is too easy to spend cash and then thing where the fsck did that go/ |
| 21:40.59 | armijn | that's why I like cash more... |
| 21:41.00 | new2unix | i usually make the habit of withdrawing a lump sum from my account in the bigging of the month and use that for my daily expenses. you tend to spend less when you see your cash go infront of your eyes. plastic doesnt have that effect on me |
| 21:41.30 | armijn | I just make sure I make neough money to spend ;-) |
| 21:41.44 | murble | yeah my credit card bill seems to increase every month.. |
| 21:41.45 | new2unix | i only have a debit card. credit cards are evil. hah |
| 21:42.01 | new2unix | hello murble |
| 21:42.12 | murble | i boguth a flight in euros and got given sterling for one of those, which i can't spend. |
| 21:42.16 | Leeds | the legal protection on ccs is nice... but they *are* dangerous |
| 21:42.18 | Jenson | its not really my banking arrangements thats the issue here, its my lack of money, i just dont have the motivation to bother with another job, as someone once said, 'and then you'll realize that the only thing more tragic than this [my death] is life in itself" |
| 21:42.41 | JD | Leeds: which is why mine is going to remain in my room and not in my pocket |
| 21:42.58 | murble | Leeds: yeah for purchases > 100 quid isn't it? |
| 21:43.15 | JD | murble: yep |
| 21:43.36 | armijn | should make invoice for plane ready tomorrow |
| 21:43.48 | armijn | but how to invoice if you don't have a receipt? (EasyJet) |
| 21:44.00 | murble | armijn: just send the printout |
| 21:44.06 | murble | or the email |
| 21:44.15 | armijn | murble: hmm, could do that...I'll check with UKUUG office... |
| 21:44.17 | JD | Jenson: is there an attribition? |
| 21:44.21 | new2unix | for holidays, hotel bills, laptops etc Plastic is good. at all other times, use cash :) |
| 21:44.21 | murble | if that doesn't suffice you could show them Cc statement as well. |
| 21:44.29 | armijn | also got shopping to do for conference... |
| 21:44.36 | Leeds | armijn: :-) |
| 21:44.47 | armijn | leeds: just some small stuff... |
| 21:44.55 | Jenson | JD: yeh, my ex, in a suicide note he wrote when he was depressed, although he's not dead and he's happy now |
| 21:46.16 | Jenson | new2unix: nah, i dont listen to eminem all that much |
| 21:47.05 | SpudULike | Hi, hi, hi! |
| 21:47.10 | Jenson | heya SpudULike |
| 21:47.10 | Leeds | evening SpudULike |
| 21:47.21 | SpudULike | You all well? |
| 21:47.23 | new2unix | SpudULike: how was it? |
| 21:47.36 | armijn | eep, bedtime... |
| 21:47.45 | Jenson | night mijny |
| 21:47.50 | SpudULike | It was just as I described TV shows to you before. Slow going! |
| 21:47.50 | new2unix | SpudULike: Clive was funny as usual :) |
| 21:48.09 | SpudULike | I'm just back from a TV recording. |
| 21:48.15 | Leeds | night armijn |
| 21:48.16 | *** part/#gllug armijn (~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl) |
| 21:48.17 | new2unix | how were the girls? |
| 21:48.29 | SpudULike | Went out to see something called Fightbox, which got cancelled. |
| 21:48.45 | new2unix | SpudULike: are they as whacky in real life as they appear on tele? |
| 21:48.46 | SpudULike | Ended up seeing a recording of Absolutely Fabulous. |
| 21:48.48 | Leeds | SpudULike: completely cancelled? or just the filming? |
| 21:49.22 | SpudULike | Leeds: Just the filming, for the moment. Technical difficulties. |
| 21:49.31 | Jenson | time for sleep methinks |
| 21:49.34 | Jenson | night guys! |
| 21:50.07 | new2unix | night Jenson |
| 21:50.14 | SpudULike | nn J. |
| 21:50.15 | Leeds | night Jenson |
| 21:50.16 | Jenson | night new2unix |
| 21:50.18 | Jenson | night SpudULike |
| 21:50.21 | Jenson | night Leeds |
| 21:51.27 | SpudULike | Joanna Lumley and Jennifer Saunders do seem quite wacky. They work well together. |
| 21:51.49 | Leeds | isn't Joanna Lumley about 80 now? |
| 21:52.11 | new2unix | Leeds: haha |
| 21:52.20 | murble | because she was born after 1923? |
| 21:53.09 | SpudULike | Leeds: She is perfectly cast as an 'aging' model! |
| 21:53.19 | Leeds | SpudULike: true |
| 21:53.34 | Leeds | hmm... born in Kashmir on May day |
| 21:54.01 | JD | Leeds: you kmow too much |
| 21:54.13 | Leeds | imdb :-) |
| 21:54.20 | SpudULike | She was in her early 20's in OHMSS, in '69. |
| 21:55.12 | Leeds | born 1946 |
| 21:57.16 | murble | congratulations Leeds you can use google!? |
| 21:57.23 | Leeds | murble: nope |
| 21:57.34 | Jenson | heya Cope |
| 21:57.36 | Leeds | murble: imdb - learn to read |
| 21:58.00 | murble | Leeds: nah, I'm not about to learn to read. |
| 21:58.06 | Leeds | fair enough |
| 21:59.39 | Jenson | :) |
| 22:01.00 | Leeds | Cope: got away from her? |
| 22:01.05 | Cope | Heh - this time last week I was still at work, |
| 22:01.22 | Cope | leeds> Her being my beloved? |
| 22:01.26 | Leeds | yes |
| 22:02.51 | Jenson | Cope: bring her to gllug, that'll teach her to stay well away from the geekness |
| 22:02.55 | Jenson | Bagels Leeds? |
| 22:02.58 | Leeds | having had a pint of water and a Wagon Wheel for dinner... |
| 22:03.09 | JD | er not good |
| 22:03.10 | Leeds | Jenson: not on Friday... but I do have challah... |
| 22:03.18 | Jenson | anyway, i really am going now |
| 22:03.20 | Jenson | cya guys |
| 22:03.23 | Jenson | take care |
| 22:03.25 | Cope | BAh! |
| 22:03.45 | Cope | She came to Lonix - dunno if she'll come to gllug |
| 22:03.54 | Leeds | bring her to the picnic! :-) |
| 22:10.48 | Leeds | stephanb: don't worry - I'll have challah with it |
| 22:11.23 | stephanb | i'm not worried, i am not allowed to worry : doctor's orders |
| 22:11.33 | stephanb | worrying is not good for my health |
| 22:11.40 | JD | I'm having a tub of lard, but don't worry cos I'm have celery with it |
| 22:19.47 | JD | hmm conversation killer I see |
| 22:20.52 | Leeds | lard not kosher |
| 22:21.55 | JD | so quite frankly I don't give a damn |
| 22:22.27 | Leeds | well screw you then... bloody heathens... |
| 22:22.58 | new2unix | oh dear, the gentiles have risen. haha |
| 22:23.31 | Leeds | ha - you'll be laughing on the other side of your faces come Judgement Day |
| 22:24.15 | new2unix | judgement day? wasnt that an Arnold movie? heard it was quite good actually :) |
| 22:24.20 | Leeds | t2 |
| 22:28.16 | Cope | m4 |
| 22:30.51 | Cope | make bed && sleep in it |
| 22:31.23 | Cope|Sleep | Night all. |
| 22:31.44 | Xiaoqi | night Cope|Sleep |
| 22:32.25 | Leeds | night |
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| 22:38.10 | JD | Xiaoqi: hi |
| 22:38.59 | Xiaoqi | hi JD hows it going? |
| 22:39.18 | JD | cool |
| 22:42.40 | stephanb | nite everybody |
| 22:43.06 | JD | night |
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| 23:32.07 | JD | night all |
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| 23:51.41 | litefm4 | can anyone recommend me a GUI file manager which easy to install, that is rpms, that works on a P200 80MB? NO console and NO kde/gnome apps plz! |
| 23:52.06 | litefm4 | GUI means X and X means desktop |
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