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| 00:10.36 | Leeds | morning murble |
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| 00:38.27 | Leeds | bed |
| 00:39.08 | highbury | night night |
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| 05:08.09 | new2unix | moin all |
| 05:40.48 | Tarragon | Moin |
| 07:44.18 | gregj | morn |
| 08:37.35 | murble | moin |
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| 08:42.34 | zachary | moin |
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| 08:51.22 | armijn | re |
| 08:52.06 | armijn | anyone happening to be in the Internet accessroom? with all the Macs? |
| 08:54.09 | murble | I don't it. |
| 08:54.17 | armijn | excpt for murble? |
| 08:54.26 | murble | armijn: #linux2003 on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:54.32 | armijn | hmmkay :) |
| 08:54.39 | irvined_ | Morning all |
| 08:54.49 | zachary | morning irvined_ |
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| 09:15.33 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 09:15.53 | zachary | morning jason_ukfsn. Feeling better? |
| 09:17.23 | jason_ukfsn | a little but I'm still taking it easy. |
| 09:17.51 | jason_ukfsn | How's Edingburgh JD? |
| 09:17.54 | zachary | just recovering myself, nasty head cold. |
| 09:19.05 | jason_ukfsn | I've got rather a lot of work to do now though. I finished off last months UKFSN account late last night - big ++ change there :) |
| 09:19.51 | JD | jason_ukfsn: not too bad |
| 09:20.00 | JD | wireless just works |
| 09:20.24 | jason_ukfsn | that's good. Any interesting talks yet? |
| 09:20.39 | JD | yesterday was a big talk on kernel internals |
| 09:20.47 | JD | or python |
| 09:21.44 | JD | murble: doesn't seem to be able to get wireless even tough I am sitting next to him |
| 09:21.50 | jason_ukfsn | just so long as they didn't try to combine them - "kernel internals in python" ;) |
| 09:22.17 | jason_ukfsn | JD - that'll be the blocking device you are pointing at his laptop then? |
| 09:23.24 | highbury | morning |
| 09:23.42 | jason_ukfsn | morning highbury. |
| 09:23.45 | jason_ukfsn | Back at work yet? |
| 09:23.58 | JD | jason_ukfsn: do you recall the orb embedded in a kernel module |
| 09:24.03 | highbury | FINALLY.. I start back on Monday |
| 09:24.14 | highbury | so back to Bristol for me :-( |
| 09:24.17 | jason_ukfsn | the orb or thesela? |
| 09:24.21 | jason_ukfsn | the orb of thesela? |
| 09:24.29 | JD | corba |
| 09:24.29 | jason_ukfsn | what pppd problem are you having? |
| 09:25.00 | jason_ukfsn | restore the souls of vampires module - modprobe orb-thesela vampire=chubby |
| 09:25.03 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 09:25.10 | jason_ukfsn | morning Xiaoqi |
| 09:25.22 | highbury | I'm running Smoothwall, and am trying to get HomeChoice's Serial-USB modem working |
| 09:25.50 | highbury | I've had quite a lot of success, and am just trying to get it working in an automatic way. |
| 09:27.21 | highbury | Smoothwall appears to run pppd via the nobody account and when it runs the connect script doesn't have sufficient privileges to do stty's and setserial on /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 09:28.07 | jason_ukfsn | Well I don't use Smoothwall and I've not looked at it since my little debacle with Mr Morrell so I cannot help - sorry. |
| 09:28.39 | highbury | what's weird is that /usr/sbin/pppd isn't setuid root, but by when it runs it appears to run as root, its just the connect script doesn't |
| 09:29.24 | highbury | well its identical to IPCop, but as such its more a generic pppd problem rather than a Smoothwall problem |
| 09:31.28 | highbury | I suspect I may need to configure an /etc/ppp/peers/nobody file |
| 09:35.07 | highbury | /etc/ppp-on is setuid root, and is run by user nobody, ppp-on runs "pppd /dev/ttyUSB0 connect SCRIPT", so pppd is runnign as root, however SCRIPT still runs as user "nobody" |
| 09:40.56 | JD | Xiaoqi: you here? |
| 09:49.01 | jason_ukfsn | is it really that dull there? |
| 09:49.18 | jason_ukfsn | if so just heckle the speaker |
| 09:49.32 | JD | english isn;t his native language |
| 09:49.55 | JD | he is fine apart from a couple of words |
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| 10:02.39 | jason_ukfsn | hey zimm and nasrat |
| 10:02.50 | zimm | hey jason_ukfsn |
| 10:08.24 | nasrat | hi |
| 10:12.13 | irvined_ | nyeeeheheheheh |
| 10:12.20 | irvined_ | well i've just got out of doing any hard work today |
| 10:13.06 | irvined_ | found out that the problem at wr is not due to red hat installer but some twonkle copying his different fstabs to different machines subsequently typing mount -a and breaking everything |
| 10:16.13 | nasrat | irvined_: lart him |
| 10:16.34 | irvined_ | nasrat: im hoping he'll just get fired. |
| 10:17.05 | nasrat | irvined_: it *may* mostly work if you use disk labelling |
| 10:17.27 | irvined_ | hte guy is a criminal waste of public money. |
| 10:17.41 | irvined_ | nasrat: yeah it kinda does but a lot of stuffs fallen over |
| 10:17.46 | irvined_ | and its 135 machines |
| 10:18.02 | irvined_ | time will tell. |
| 10:18.09 | irvined_ | its probably easier to remote install. |
| 10:22.43 | JD | irvined_: at leeds? |
| 10:23.22 | irvined_ | yeah |
| 10:30.28 | JD | SCS, pyhsics or ISS? |
| 10:37.36 | irvined_ | ISS |
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| 10:50.00 | nasrat | hey skugg |
| 10:50.06 | skugg | hi nasrat |
| 10:50.07 | skugg | hi jd |
| 10:50.09 | skugg | :) |
| 10:50.16 | skugg | *knock knock* |
| 10:50.52 | JD | irvined_: I didn;t know they had any linux boxen |
| 10:51.05 | JD | I assume they replaced all their unix boxen with linux |
| 10:53.01 | skugg | who did? |
| 10:53.21 | JD | univeristy of Leeds |
| 10:53.57 | skugg | ah. |
| 11:05.50 | jason_ukfsn | hi skugg and Jenson |
| 11:06.29 | Jenson | heya jason_ukfsn |
| 11:06.42 | Jenson | im not meant to be here, was looking for zimm as i havent spoken to him in ages |
| 11:06.46 | Jenson | but he's wandered off |
| 11:07.04 | jason_ukfsn | OK Jenson I'll pretend you're not there ;) |
| 11:07.09 | Jenson | heh |
| 11:08.20 | JD | hi |
| 11:09.58 | Jenson | heya JD |
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| 11:13.37 | Jenson | heya sash |
| 11:15.15 | irvined_ | JD they |
| 11:15.28 | irvined_ | JD:they are managing (ha) a cluster whichruns linux |
| 11:16.21 | JD | but SCS have been doing that for years |
| 11:18.29 | irvined_ | yeah its all politics though |
| 11:18.41 | irvined_ | at the end of the day its being mismanaged and the users are suffering |
| 11:19.41 | nasrat | users are meant to suffer |
| 11:19.46 | Jenson | gotta go |
| 11:23.26 | sash | Hello all |
| 11:24.46 | sash | nasrat: Of which circle of hell are you the regent? |
| 11:27.42 | JD | irvined_: I trust SCS more than I trust ISS |
| 11:27.50 | JD | mainly cos they have a clue |
| 11:28.40 | nasrat | sash: city of dis |
| 11:30.28 | sash | nasrat: I'm likely to end up there. |
| 11:30.35 | JD | shame none of them will be here |
| 11:30.49 | nasrat | heretic! |
| 11:31.27 | sash | Getting practice. Atheist, if you don't mind. |
| 11:31.53 | nasrat | np. ditto |
| 11:32.16 | nasrat | Strangely this agrees http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv |
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| 11:44.39 | sash | re |
| 11:54.00 | skugg | hey again. |
| 11:54.02 | skugg | i was away a bit. |
| 11:59.19 | Cope | hiya |
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| 12:01.14 | ResuDaed | has anyone here ever worked with Zeus? |
| 12:03.38 | jason_ukfsn | i installed it once for testing but that was a couple of years ago. |
| 12:03.57 | JD | ResuDaed: I could get you an ex developer |
| 12:04.09 | JD | ResuDaed: if that is of any help |
| 12:05.13 | jason_ukfsn | I'll see your ex developer and raise you a tin of sardines |
| 12:05.44 | jason_ukfsn | Sorry about that - I had a sudden bout of sanity. |
| 12:06.00 | JD | and I was about to raise you to 2 ex-developers |
| 12:06.20 | jason_ukfsn | I'd have replied with tuna - be careful now ;) |
| 12:09.35 | skugg | i'm going offline now. getting ready for lunch. |
| 12:12.28 | ResuDaed | I was just wondering what anybody could tell me about it, all I know is that it is a web server |
| 12:13.16 | ResuDaed | what platform, how is it configured (conf files or gui), how difficult is it to administer |
| 12:13.31 | ResuDaed | (could I learn it in 48 hours if needs be) |
| 12:16.15 | NisoDaemon | I remember reading some articles about a year ago on how fast it was but a quick google doesn't bring up any that sem familiar |
| 12:16.56 | ResuDaed | I have heard it is fast, I just need to know how difficult it is to use (administer) |
| 12:16.58 | jason_ukfsn | it runs on all the platforms I cared about (Linux, UNIX) and I think it can also run on OS-X. The configuration is GUI based |
| 12:17.24 | jason_ukfsn | See http://www.zeus.co.uk/products/zws/features.html for their claims however be aware that it severely downplays apache in the comparison. |
| 12:17.44 | ResuDaed | oooh, things are looking good so far |
| 12:17.58 | ResuDaed | yeah, I noticed that, and I find a scale of 100 slightly hard to beleive |
| 12:18.18 | NisoDaemon | gui server config: http://www.zeus.com/products/zws/management/gui.html |
| 12:18.27 | jason_ukfsn | The idea that apache is limited to <1000 hosts on a server is rediculous. I've run tens of thousands on a single box. |
| 12:18.45 | NisoDaemon | jason: what does ukfsn do for web? apache 1.3.*? |
| 12:20.08 | jason_ukfsn | yes NisoDaemon. I'm not happy with Apache 2.x yet. |
| 12:20.24 | jason_ukfsn | 1.3 is more than sufficient at the moment. |
| 12:20.50 | ResuDaed | the gui looks as easy as managing cobalt boxes |
| 12:21.20 | NisoDaemon | I assumed that since you did php you'd stuck with 1.3 |
| 12:21.37 | NisoDaemon | But they can ease the learning curve |
| 12:21.58 | NisoDaemon | And having them do some lint like validation on the config is nice |
| 12:22.01 | jason_ukfsn | I disagree NisoDaemon - all you end up learning is how to use the GUI and be slow. |
| 12:22.27 | jason_ukfsn | Validating the configuration is not hard - run httpd -t ;) |
| 12:22.46 | NisoDaemon | Once you've got comfortable using the gui and have an understanding on the settings you do hit a limit i agree, but thats when you move upto the command line :) |
| 12:23.11 | ResuDaed | command line is the best place to start if you have the time |
| 12:23.18 | jason_ukfsn | Whereas if you start with the command line you decide to automate that much sooner so you have less work to do ;) |
| 12:23.28 | ResuDaed | NisoDaemon : I've left behind a few of them |
| 12:24.07 | NisoDaemon | That fine if you are your own boss, for those of us looking for work i like ineffective admins. |
| 12:24.13 | NisoDaemon | Makes me look better ;) |
| 12:24.33 | NisoDaemon | What do you two use for mail servers? |
| 12:25.05 | jason_ukfsn | postfix. I've used sendmail in the past |
| 12:25.22 | NisoDaemon | Any particular reason why postfix? |
| 12:26.37 | jason_ukfsn | It's easy to manage, it isn't sendmail, scales really well, it isn't sendmail, handles virtual users in a nice clean manner, it isn't sendmail, allows me to use mysql for the tables. Oh and did I mention it's not sendmail? |
| 12:26.46 | ResuDaed | with courier-imapd |
| 12:27.02 | jason_ukfsn | I looked at exim briefly but decided that postfix is better for me. |
| 12:27.15 | ResuDaed | I havn't really looked into postfix |
| 12:27.15 | jason_ukfsn | We don't do imap. It's not suitable for an ISP in my view. |
| 12:27.30 | jason_ukfsn | I'm using tpop3d for the POP3 daemon - used cucipop in the past. |
| 12:28.17 | jason_ukfsn | The code in tpop3d is nice and clean, it scales well, works with virtual users and different auth schemes, supports APOP and just runs. |
| 12:28.27 | ResuDaed | I don't bother with pop3, I shift machines a lot (and OS's when working), so imap works better |
| 12:28.47 | ResuDaed | me being admin, everyone else has to lump it |
| 12:28.50 | NisoDaemon | i need to pick up one of qmail, exim or postfix but can't seem to see any huge seeling points between them I've done some sendmail in the past |
| 12:28.54 | jason_ukfsn | Yes but this isn't just email for me - it's for lots of other users. |
| 12:29.15 | ResuDaed | I hear many good things about qmail, just never really got around to playing with it |
| 12:29.23 | jason_ukfsn | for me the fact that postfix is Wietse's project was a big selling point. Security is a consideration from the outset. |
| 12:29.27 | NisoDaemon | its djb which is the seeling point but also the bug |
| 12:29.39 | jason_ukfsn | qmail has the djb bug |
| 12:29.57 | NisoDaemon | Ahh thats the tct guy |
| 12:30.29 | NisoDaemon | i'd like an alternative to bind but DJBDNS is one of those things that your replacement would hate you for :) |
| 12:31.11 | jason_ukfsn | I'm happy enough with Bind. None of the "replacements" I've seen really match up. |
| 12:32.18 | NisoDaemon | Do you run 8 or 9? |
| 12:32.25 | jason_ukfsn | 9 |
| 12:32.48 | NisoDaemon | Have you put it on any SMP machines? |
| 12:33.35 | ResuDaed | I am happyish with bind 9 |
| 12:33.57 | jason_ukfsn | no, SMP seems excessive for the named requirements of a small ISP. |
| 12:34.03 | NisoDaemon | I like bind for views if nothing else. |
| 12:34.07 | jason_ukfsn | Are there issues with it? |
| 12:34.28 | NisoDaemon | Apparently, i've never had an smp machine to run it on so i'm after first hand experiences :) |
| 12:34.46 | NisoDaemon | Nix was complaining about instability issues on gllug a couple of months ago |
| 12:34.47 | jason_ukfsn | I've used bind with views to fix a problem at a client site where they had to secondary a zone that was running on MS DNS with RRs containing characters invalid in bind 4. |
| 12:35.06 | NisoDaemon | Ah the srv records from AD i assume |
| 12:35.18 | NisoDaemon | bind 4 == evil. if it was a horse it'd be kebab by now |
| 12:35.48 | jason_ukfsn | yes SRV records <yurch!> |
| 12:36.04 | jason_ukfsn | To make matters even more "fun" bind 4 was being run on IBM AS/400s |
| 12:37.00 | NisoDaemon | you get all the fun problems :) |
| 12:38.03 | jason_ukfsn | That particular client is my bread and butter though - they pay me a £500 retainer each month for phone support on their firewall and DNS. Without that UKFSN would have folded |
| 12:38.44 | NisoDaemon | With needs like those you have a pretty niche market. i dont knnow many who'd try and compete with you on systems that diverse |
| 12:39.09 | NisoDaemon | I assume its a finacial if they are running AS400s and AD |
| 12:39.20 | NisoDaemon | No one else is that sick :) |
| 12:39.33 | jason_ukfsn | in sewer ants company |
| 12:39.59 | jason_ukfsn | The AD was actually in a separate company they bought out. They are not a pro MS shop |
| 12:40.33 | NisoDaemon | I was wrong, i was going to say bank. |
| 12:40.45 | NisoDaemon | Although the lack of novell should have tipped me off :) |
| 12:41.01 | ResuDaed | sewer ants? |
| 12:41.10 | NisoDaemon | insurance |
| 12:41.15 | ResuDaed | ah :-) |
| 12:41.24 | NisoDaemon | sounds of dwarfs underground? |
| 12:41.38 | NisoDaemon | echo-gnomics |
| 12:41.51 | NisoDaemon | I think they're both pratchetisms |
| 12:44.15 | NisoDaemon | I've only read a couple of holts and i wasn't that impressed. Steel rat's were readable but not very engrossing |
| 12:44.44 | jason_ukfsn | i liek silly |
| 12:44.50 | jason_ukfsn | s/liek/like/ |
| 12:44.52 | NisoDaemon | Good humour thats not fantasy (OK maybe a little bit) are bill brysons travel books. |
| 12:45.20 | NisoDaemon | Rankins? |
| 12:45.38 | NisoDaemon | a google for "book Rankins" got me some odd results. |
| 12:46.02 | jason_ukfsn | As in books by Robert Rankin |
| 12:46.10 | jason_ukfsn | should have included the ' |
| 12:46.46 | NisoDaemon | Never heard of him. "The Hollow Chocolate Bunnies of the Apocalypse " sounds promising though! |
| 12:47.18 | jason_ukfsn | It helps to read his books if you are on acid. |
| 12:47.46 | NisoDaemon | "Even kindly old Mother Goose, madame of the Toy City brothel," |
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| 12:48.36 | jason_ukfsn | brb - I need to feed |
| 12:48.45 | NisoDaemon | foot? |
| 12:48.46 | NisoDaemon | hehe |
| 12:49.20 | new_unix | prolly needs to feed his foot |
| 12:49.57 | NisoDaemon | worrying. very worrying |
| 12:49.59 | new_unix | how is everyone this fine afternoon? |
| 12:50.08 | NisoDaemon | hot and tired. |
| 12:50.14 | NisoDaemon | yourself? |
| 12:50.32 | cup | tired, but w/e is only 4 hours away |
| 12:50.37 | NisoDaemon | lol |
| 12:50.43 | new_unix | some ppl have to feed their caffeine habits, others feed their foot fettishes. hah |
| 12:51.08 | NisoDaemon | that doesnt make it any less worrying :) |
| 12:52.08 | NisoDaemon | Amazon has one book on postfix... |
| 12:52.10 | new_unix | boss wont let me enable sshd on the mac server:( |
| 12:52.23 | NisoDaemon | you have xserves? |
| 12:52.56 | new_unix | so i have to walk all the way to the machine to administer it. |
| 12:53.03 | NisoDaemon | lol |
| 12:53.26 | new_unix | xservers? almost. we're testing one at the mo. It's on hire :) |
| 12:53.29 | NisoDaemon | tell him you've put telnet and rsh on it and see how quick he changes his mind |
| 12:53.47 | NisoDaemon | What do you think? are they worth the huge price tag? |
| 12:54.43 | new_unix | very sexxxy server, thats for sure. |
| 12:55.00 | new_unix | makes the other 1u's green in envy. hah |
| 12:56.02 | new_unix | but thats a good thing cos at least we know the others are working. if they were amber or RED then we'd have a major problem. hah |
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| 13:15.54 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Meeting: 17th August - Picnic at Bletchley Park], Check out IRC FAQ at http://www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html |
| 13:16.07 | NisoDaemon | And thats how to cure world hunger |
| 13:16.41 | NisoDaemon | willow == geek bait. |
| 13:16.51 | NisoDaemon | I want Cordelia back. Yum |
| 13:16.52 | jason_ukfsn | let campires loose among the hungry? |
| 13:17.05 | NisoDaemon | LOL Soylent green all over again :) |
| 13:17.06 | jason_ukfsn | s/campires/vampires/ |
| 13:17.12 | JD | one time at band camp ... |
| 13:17.27 | jason_ukfsn | put that trumpet down! |
| 13:17.36 | NisoDaemon | Mention Willow and everyone comes in... |
| 13:17.42 | nasrat | Step away from the buffy references |
| 13:17.57 | nasrat | This is not what I need post lunch |
| 13:18.01 | NisoDaemon | JD the yellow bus was enough to prove that :) |
| 13:18.07 | jason_ukfsn | why did you add "in..." to that sentence NisoDaemon? |
| 13:18.10 | NisoDaemon | What you need is alchol |
| 13:20.21 | NisoDaemon | Any of you lot ever watched firefly? |
| 13:20.35 | jason_ukfsn | I tried to but I keep missing the episodes. |
| 13:20.52 | nasrat | NisoDaemon: yeah |
| 13:20.54 | NisoDaemon | I was just wondering if ts worth downloading them or not :) |
| 13:21.07 | nasrat | NisoDaemon: I have the first few on $media |
| 13:21.24 | NisoDaemon | nasrat, best buddy... |
| 13:21.31 | jason_ukfsn | NisoDaemon: where do you get your $binaries? |
| 13:21.45 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: IIRC alt.binaries.perl.sick.bunny |
| 13:21.54 | jason_ukfsn | I'm talking to Clara about a reseller deal for their Claranews service. |
| 13:22.23 | NisoDaemon | I occasioanly go hunting on dcc and emule |
| 13:22.26 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat: shouldn't that be "sick.poney"? |
| 13:22.42 | jason_ukfsn | or "dead.parrot"? |
| 13:22.50 | NisoDaemon | lol |
| 13:23.03 | NisoDaemon | so perl6 what do you really think ? :) |
| 13:23.15 | NisoDaemon | Are you one of the realists or a Damian follower? |
| 13:23.31 | jason_ukfsn | I've not touched it yet. I don't jump onto new things so quickly. |
| 13:23.57 | jason_ukfsn | 5.6 still does everything I want. |
| 13:23.59 | NisoDaemon | There isn't much to jump on. Its still mostly bluster. |
| 13:25.02 | NisoDaemon | I'm running 5.6 on anything thats important. i dont do unicode so i dont need 5.8 :) |
| 13:26.06 | jason_ukfsn | Yet another "gissa job" spam arrives in my mailbox :( |
| 13:26.18 | jason_ukfsn | at both ukfsn and ukpost. |
| 13:26.21 | JD | alt.binaries.pictures.beastiality.hambster.duct-tape? |
| 13:26.29 | JD | hompster |
| 13:26.34 | JD | dammit |
| 13:26.45 | NisoDaemon | JD you have issues with this subject :) |
| 13:27.29 | NisoDaemon | I didnt want to say anything ;) |
| 13:27.37 | NisoDaemon | What have the talks been like so far JD? |
| 13:27.52 | jason_ukfsn | NisoDaemon: You don't want to work for me - I pay shite wages. I only pay myself £400/month. |
| 13:29.16 | JD | NisoDaemon: hmm to be honest I have not been paying attension |
| 13:29.20 | JD | been busy on irc |
| 13:29.35 | NisoDaemon | JD you went to edinburgh to do irc? :) |
| 13:30.08 | NisoDaemon | £400 a month... in my day... |
| 13:30.10 | JD | yeah |
| 13:31.31 | NisoDaemon | Go to John Hearns talk and heckle. Tell him i told you to ;) |
| 13:31.41 | JD | that is Sunday |
| 13:31.45 | jason_ukfsn | £400 /month is minimum wage. It's interesting trying to pay my mortgage, council tax, bills, etc out of it though. |
| 13:31.51 | JD | i think he will heckle himself |
| 13:32.03 | JD | having beeing drunk the night before |
| 13:32.37 | NisoDaemon | Pretty much. I dont think i'lll be seeing him for a couple of weeks after he gets back :) |
| 13:32.48 | NisoDaemon | Have you tried deep fried hamburgers yet? |
| 13:33.51 | JD | hamburgers is too close to hampsters for my liking |
| 13:34.19 | NisoDaemon | I couldnt find deep fried marsbars but i did ge tto try haggis and deep fried hamburgers. |
| 13:36.16 | NisoDaemon | Anyone who tells you haggis is spicy is talking bollocks |
| 13:37.17 | JD | Anyone who tells you haggis is talking bollocks is spicy? |
| 13:38.31 | NisoDaemon | um.... i can hear the yellow bus ;) |
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| 13:41.13 | JD | zimm: Jenson|Away is looking for you |
| 13:41.18 | JD | just for a chat I think |
| 13:41.25 | zimm | JD, oh , k .. |
| 13:41.38 | zimm | i spoke to her earlier briefly .. |
| 13:42.02 | zimm | JD, hows things with you anyway ? good i hope .. |
| 13:43.21 | JD | hi edinburgh atm |
| 13:43.58 | zimm | funky |
| 13:44.00 | zimm | working / |
| 13:44.01 | zimm | ? |
| 13:44.21 | JD | ukuug conference |
| 13:44.40 | zimm | ahh |
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| 14:43.25 | sash | dankolb: Trying to induce a field? |
| 14:43.31 | dankolb | Yes. |
| 14:43.43 | sash | Which sort? |
| 14:44.18 | sash | Magnetic, electric or other? |
| 14:44.26 | dankolb | Bit o' both |
| 14:44.43 | jason_ukfsn | how about a corn field? |
| 14:45.45 | sash | That might have a popping effect <groan> |
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| 14:48.41 | pie | hello again |
| 14:48.58 | nasrat | hey pie |
| 14:49.11 | pie | I worked out why the gllug list was so quiet |
| 14:49.21 | pie | my subscription got set to nomail. |
| 14:49.25 | pie | bah |
| 14:50.14 | JD | lol |
| 14:50.25 | pie | anyone had much luck getting WinXP to use samba as a domain controller? |
| 14:50.31 | pie | as it, does it work? |
| 14:50.47 | pie | we want to change the PDC over to sambe from NT |
| 14:50.59 | murble | pie: it is very doable, there is even a howto |
| 14:51.09 | murble | using samdump |
| 14:51.11 | pie | cool |
| 14:51.16 | pie | samdump? |
| 14:54.09 | JD | dankolb: where are you? |
| 14:54.34 | murble | the howto is written by Mike Brodbelt if that helps you google for it. |
| 14:55.30 | nasrat | murble: he's on gllug isn't he? |
| 14:55.32 | dankolb | I'm in the foyer |
| 14:55.37 | murble | nasrat: yep |
| 14:55.42 | JD | dankolb: come upstairs |
| 14:55.54 | murble | nasrat: he talked about it at sage-wise once as well. |
| 14:55.55 | dankolb | Is there a lecture going on? |
| 14:55.58 | JD | if you want to learn about the health service |
| 14:56.01 | JD | yeah |
| 14:56.18 | JD | I think murbe is being sod xfs |
| 14:56.18 | murble | XFS |
| 14:56.19 | dankolb | Isn't there a tea break in a few minutes? |
| 14:56.44 | murble | after questions. |
| 14:56.47 | JD | 15min |
| 14:56.49 | dankolb | *nod* |
| 14:56.50 | JD | or more |
| 14:56.54 | murble | dankolb: is there any choloate kcake left? |
| 14:57.01 | dankolb | Erm, I'm not sure. |
| 14:57.16 | JD | dankolb: well head over the where cake is and chek |
| 14:57.19 | jason_ukfsn | kcake - is that only available to users of KDE? |
| 14:57.31 | JD | no that would be kake |
| 14:57.33 | dankolb | That requires moving. |
| 14:57.42 | JD | bah |
| 14:58.03 | jason_ukfsn | kake? Isn't that a perl monger? |
| 14:58.12 | pie | yes |
| 14:58.51 | JD | really? |
| 15:03.41 | nasrat | no cake's a made up drug |
| 15:04.37 | dankolb | No cake? |
| 15:04.43 | dankolb | Let them eat cake! |
| 15:05.37 | JD | dankolb: lart them |
| 15:05.43 | JD | we want kake |
| 15:05.51 | JD | is dfaure around yet? |
| 15:07.46 | dankolb | Dunno |
| 15:08.03 | JD | ask the KDE desk |
| 15:08.30 | dankolb | Not many people down here. |
| 15:33.49 | nasrat | gad, I need beer |
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| 15:59.43 | Cope | Hello |
| 16:01.46 | nasrat | wb |
| 16:02.42 | Cope | Hiya nasrat |
| 16:02.47 | Cope | How's your Friday been? |
| 16:03.10 | nasrat | ok, I'm feeling particularly hyper |
| 16:03.20 | Cope | Any particular reason? |
| 16:03.33 | jason_ukfsn | OK time to go now. I need to stop working and starting doing non-work work. |
| 16:03.34 | nasrat | busy at work, sleep deprivation, coffee |
| 16:03.36 | jason_ukfsn | have fun all |
| 16:03.41 | Cope | tara |
| 16:03.53 | Cope | nasrat> Yeah, sounds about right. |
| 16:04.23 | Cope | I got home last night at 9pm - didn't take laptop with me; crawled into bed and fell asleep immediately. Woke at 7am |
| 16:04.47 | Cope | I almost never go to bed before 1am |
| 16:05.13 | nasrat | argh I'm going to leave soon |
| 16:05.40 | Cope | :-( |
| 16:06.41 | nasrat | to the pub that is |
| 16:07.25 | dankolb | Foobar. |
| 16:07.30 | nasrat | dankolb: ba |
| 16:07.31 | nasrat | z |
| 16:07.36 | nasrat | gad can't type |
| 16:08.46 | Cope | quux |
| 16:09.15 | dankolb | You missed bat |
| 16:11.29 | dankolb | foo, bar, baz, bat |
| 16:11.52 | Cope | http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/m/metasyntactic_variable.html |
| 16:12.00 | JD | dankolb: where the fsck are you? |
| 16:12.06 | Cope | foo bar baz quux (sometimes qux) |
| 16:15.38 | dankolb | I'm with all the Macs. |
| 16:16.59 | JD | ah |
| 16:17.08 | dankolb | Where are you? |
| 16:17.55 | JD | upstairs |
| 16:18.02 | dankolb | Come down, then. |
| 16:18.09 | JD | I'm in a talk |
| 16:18.11 | JD | with power |
| 16:20.11 | dankolb | I have power too |
| 16:22.57 | dankolb | Me too |
| 16:24.04 | Cope | Yay! |
| 16:24.46 | dankolb | JD: Are you coming to the Scottish buffet tonight? |
| 16:25.38 | JD | yeah |
| 16:25.47 | dankolb | Good good |
| 16:26.54 | JD | I think Jenson is expecting me to go to london tomorrow |
| 16:28.46 | dankolb | *snrrk* Why? |
| 16:29.16 | JD | not sure |
| 16:29.26 | JD | I have teld her before I will be here |
| 16:29.40 | dankolb | Does she think she's more important?; |
| 16:29.52 | JD | no idea |
| 16:30.02 | dankolb | Heh :) |
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| 16:50.52 | JD | hi zimm |
| 16:53.10 | zimm | heya JD |
| 17:05.30 | zimm | :) |
| 17:12.43 | Jenson|Away | lol @ dankolb and JD |
| 17:15.47 | JD | ooh BDSM |
| 17:17.04 | Jenson | lol |
| 17:17.29 | zimm | lol |
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| 17:30.05 | Jenson | my hands smell like guinea pig food lol |
| 17:55.24 | Xiaoqi | hihihi |
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| 18:49.10 | Jenson | WTF? |
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| 18:50.12 | Cope | Hello |
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| 19:04.55 | sanelson | Hiya |
| 19:05.05 | Cope | Hya even |
| 19:17.47 | Jenson | heya Cope |
| 19:23.20 | Cope | Woo Jenson |
| 19:27.05 | Jenson | its quiet tonight......ppl in Edinburgh or something |
| 19:31.33 | Jenson | here's a pic of the guinea pig i got today, he's still nervous ATM http://www.btinternet.com/~lita16/guineapig.jpg |
| 19:38.16 | Cope | brb |
| 19:40.19 | Jenson | k |
| 19:43.59 | irvined_ | good evening |
| 19:46.14 | Cope | Evening |
| 19:52.26 | irvined_ | well today has been fun |
| 19:52.47 | irvined_ | got my photos back from developing, going to upload them in a mo. |
| 19:53.01 | irvined_ | and i've just put the steering wheel in my kit car (Yay) |
| 19:56.59 | Cope | Woo |
| 19:57.11 | Cope | I've had a hot and tiring day |
| 19:57.23 | Cope | I'm hungry - pondering ordering takeaway |
| 19:57.40 | Cope | Meeting a very good friend online in a tic! :o) |
| 19:59.59 | irvined_ | yeah im a bit peckish |
| 20:00.12 | irvined_ | just ate some cake |
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| 20:12.33 | Cope | lo highbury |
| 20:54.30 | Cope | Woo Jenson |
| 20:54.45 | Cope | How are you this evening? |
| 20:55.11 | Jenson | alright ty...i wanna write some poetry but im not depressed enough |
| 21:00.27 | irvined_ | i didnt think that was a real pre-requisite for poetry |
| 21:01.45 | Jenson | bah well i wrote one and posted it, its crap though |
| 21:03.06 | Jenson | irvined_: i can only write decent poetry when im depressed |
| 21:03.11 | irvined_ | im listening to some 80's electro pop, i forgot just how good it was |
| 21:03.33 | Jenson | I'm listening to the DEf Leppard - Slang album |
| 21:03.49 | irvined_ | not heard that in a while |
| 21:03.52 | irvined_ | need to look it out. |
| 21:11.50 | Jenson | irvined_: what fo? |
| 21:11.54 | Jenson | of even |
| 21:13.04 | irvined_ | my holiday |
| 21:13.44 | Jenson | cool |
| 21:13.47 | Jenson | where you been? |
| 21:14.15 | irvined_ | all over |
| 21:14.30 | irvined_ | was in the states went up the west coasnt into western canada and back down into baja mexico |
| 21:14.32 | Jenson | di i tell you my new mobile number? |
| 21:15.20 | irvined_ | no you didnt. |
| 21:25.10 | Jenson | night all |
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| 21:52.52 | stephanb | new2unix: anybody here ? |
| 21:53.00 | stephanb | JD: anybody here ? |
| 21:59.28 | stephanb | irvined_: hi there |
| 21:59.55 | stephanb | i was gonna ask : what is irvination ? |
| 22:01.38 | irvined_ | irvination? |
| 22:01.41 | irvined_ | ibot irvination? |
| 22:01.42 | | irvined_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:02.19 | stephanb | irvined_: come on, you have been irvined, don't you know what the process is ? |
| 22:02.32 | stephanb | is it a rite of passage ? a chemical reaction ? |
| 22:02.47 | stephanb | and i have a second question... |
| 22:03.21 | stephanb | *who* enters data into ibot. Is ibot an AI and does it *learn* from the conversations on the chan ? |
| 22:06.28 | stephanb | ibot who are you ? |
| 22:06.29 | | from memory, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 22:07.03 | stephanb | ibot who am i ? |
| 22:07.04 | | i guess stephanb is a darling :P |
| 22:07.22 | stephanb | ibot why am i here ? |
| 22:07.22 | | stephanb: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:08.02 | stephanb | ibot why is there something rather than nothing ? |
| 22:08.03 | | stephanb: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:08.09 | irvined_ | stephanb: you tell it stuff and it rememebrs |
| 22:08.26 | irvined_ | ibot irvination is what happens when irvined clobbers you. |
| 22:08.27 | | okay, irvined_ |
| 22:08.42 | stephanb | ibot what is irvination ? |
| 22:08.43 | | irvination is, like, what happens when irvined clobbers you. |
| 22:09.10 | stephanb | ibot who is alan turing ? |
| 22:09.11 | | stephanb: what are you talking about? |
| 22:09.51 | stephanb | jeez, can we get ibot to pull some data from wikipedia ? |
| 22:10.09 | stephanb | or can it only search its own sql database |
| 22:10.26 | stephanb | mind you it's better that way, it makes it more specific to the channel |
| 22:11.45 | stephanb | ibot where is bletchley park ? |
| 22:11.46 | | I think you lost me on that one, stephanb |
| 22:13.08 | Cope | ibot lart stephanb |
| 22:15.22 | stephanb | i shall read the blootbot page on sourceforg later.. |
| 22:20.57 | stephanb | for now i'm gonna go brush my teeth and go to bed |
| 22:24.21 | Xiaoqi | hihi all |
| 22:24.40 | Cope | Hiya Little Energy |
| 22:25.05 | Xiaoqi | :) |
| 22:25.10 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: hiya |
| 22:25.25 | Xiaoqi | how is everyone this evening? |
| 22:25.32 | stephanb | does xiao mean "little" ? |
| 22:25.36 | Xiaoqi | yeah |
| 22:25.37 | Cope | It does indeed. |
| 22:25.54 | Cope | Hey stephanb |
| 22:26.04 | stephanb | as in small or packed together ? |
| 22:26.13 | Xiaoqi | small |
| 22:26.15 | stephanb | Cope: hiya |
| 22:26.48 | stephanb | and qi is the qi of taiqi and qigong (= life energy) ? |
| 22:27.21 | Cope | Probably not, since Xiaoqi's name is the pinyin from Cantonese not Mandarin. |
| 22:27.21 | Xiaoqi | no idea, it was just thename given to me by my chinese friends a few years ago... |
| 22:27.36 | irvined_ | nice. |
| 22:27.41 | irvined_ | hi Xiaoqi/cop |
| 22:27.58 | Xiaoqi | well, it was the mandarin, as the people who gave it to me all spoke predominantly manderin |
| 22:28.03 | Xiaoqi | hi irvined_ |
| 22:28.17 | Cope | I love the name, its great. I am known as Xiao Yang by my beloved, hence I know what Xiao means! |
| 22:28.37 | Xiaoqi | what is yang in your case? |
| 22:28.48 | Cope | Sheep |
| 22:28.57 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 22:29.05 | Xiaoqi | brb -off to put brad in the oven |
| 22:29.13 | Cope | Who is Brad? |
| 22:29.34 | Cope | And why are you putting him in the oven, poor chap? |
| 22:30.12 | irvined_ | heh |
| 22:30.42 | stephanb | Brad is a silicagel lifeform |
| 22:30.58 | stephanb | needs to be put in the microwave to be re-activated |
| 22:31.18 | Cope | ibot brad is probably a typo for bread. Or maybe a silicagel lifeform that needs to be put in the microwave to be re-activated. |
| 22:31.19 | | okay, Cope |
| 22:31.33 | Cope | ibot tell Xiaoqi about brad |
| 22:32.03 | Cope | ibot What is brad? |
| 22:32.03 | | well, brad is probably a typo for bread. Or maybe a silicagel lifeform that needs to be put in the microwave to be re-activated. |
| 22:32.28 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 22:32.40 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 22:32.45 | Xiaoqi | it was bread |
| 22:34.17 | Xiaoqi | help |
| 22:34.19 | Xiaoqi | humph |
| 22:34.26 | irvined_ | hmm im hingry again now |
| 22:34.30 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 22:34.42 | irvined_ | theres cake, (sugar free too) downstairs but i've had so much of it, my better half with think im a real fat pig if i eat any more. |
| 22:34.44 | Xiaoqi | well if you were in aberdeen, i would offer you some roast brad... |
| 22:35.19 | irvined_ | but alas not before i die of hunger at this rate. |
| 22:35.22 | Xiaoqi | cool |
| 22:35.37 | Xiaoqi | how come you're coming up here? |
| 22:35.44 | Xiaoqi | Cope: cool! |
| 22:36.27 | Cope | 'When I was about 3 we lived in Rosemount, then moved to Banchory. When I was about 20 I lived in Aberdeen for the summer. |
| 22:36.46 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 22:36.53 | Xiaoqi | I looked at a flat in rosemount... |
| 22:37.10 | Xiaoqi | I'm in sunnybank place, in old aberdeen atm... next to the uni |
| 22:37.15 | Cope | How much was it? |
| 22:37.27 | Xiaoqi | erm, 360 for a 1 bed flat i think |
| 22:37.37 | Xiaoqi | same as my one here, |
| 22:37.38 | Cope | Per month? |
| 22:37.41 | Xiaoqi | yeah |
| 22:37.44 | Cope | lol! |
| 22:37.47 | Xiaoqi | what? |
| 22:37.51 | irvined_ | Xiaoqi: customer wants an upgrade. |
| 22:37.58 | Xiaoqi | ??? |
| 22:38.08 | irvined_ | my reason for going to aberdeen |
| 22:38.11 | Xiaoqi | ah |
| 22:38.13 | Xiaoqi | cool |
| 22:38.15 | irvined_ | want to try and visit a friend there too but not sure if thats likely. |
| 22:38.20 | Cope | Just a good bargain, Xiaoji |
| 22:38.26 | Xiaoqi | not up here |
| 22:38.35 | Xiaoqi | london, yeah, but up here... |
| 22:38.42 | Cope | Would get you a cupboard here :-) |
| 22:38.52 | Xiaoqi | We're looking at a 1 bed house for 325 |
| 22:39.16 | stephanb | irvined_: what kind of things do you upgrade ? Mainframes ? Turbocharged BMWs ? |
| 22:39.20 | Cope | although I do love London |
| 22:39.20 | Xiaoqi | but if we move in with some friends, then it would be 550 per month for a 3 or 4 bed cottage |
| 22:39.50 | Xiaoqi | scotland is wonderful -its very pretty and relaxing, and aberdeen is a very friendly place |
| 22:40.20 | irvined_ | stephanb: all of the above hehe |
| 22:40.25 | irvined_ | but its a beowulf cluster |
| 22:40.25 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: yes but what sort of work do i find there ? |
| 22:40.51 | Xiaoqi | almost anything if you apply at the right time of year... |
| 22:40.58 | stephanb | ooooooh nice ! |
| 22:40.58 | irvined_ | yeah i would love to move back home, but i need to get a job there to do that and also convince my gf to stay in the scotland let alone the uk |
| 22:41.04 | Xiaoqi | david is just having very bad luck |
| 22:41.38 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: hang on, i'm not gonna get a job in television there, am i ? |
| 22:41.38 | irvined_ | there are some fantastic places to live in scotland, i want to build a holiday home/ get-away in the borders somewhere |
| 22:41.56 | stephanb | irvined_: your gf is not british ? |
| 22:42.07 | Xiaoqi | bbc scotland is based in aberdeen |
| 22:42.30 | Xiaoqi | scotland has it's own programming |
| 22:42.43 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: if it's like in london, i don't have a gf or an uncle working at the beeb... |
| 22:42.47 | irvined_ | stephanb: Spanish |
| 22:42.50 | irvined_ | She's a vet. |
| 22:43.06 | irvined_ | Cope: im not a fan of the borders much either but its a nice compromise |
| 22:43.15 | stephanb | irvined_: let me guess, her diploma is not recognised in the uk... |
| 22:43.21 | irvined_ | ideally i want to live in edinburgh or glasgow and have a cottage in lanarkshire or somewhere nice and remote |
| 22:43.35 | irvined_ | stephanb: it is, here is one of the few places its actually recognised |
| 22:43.38 | Cope | I also lived in Lanark. |
| 22:43.56 | Cope | And Glasgow. |
| 22:43.58 | irvined_ | i have a friend who has a huge house near lesmahagow in the middle of nowhere thats where i want to live. |
| 22:44.04 | irvined_ | but i need my flat in the city |
| 22:44.09 | irvined_ | and bb |
| 22:44.32 | irvined_ | im hoping yolanda will love glasgow and decide to get a job there sooner or later. |
| 22:44.38 | irvined_ | but i still have to get a job there which is going to be hard |
| 22:44.57 | Xiaoqi | edinburgh is nicer than glasgow imho |
| 22:45.21 | irvined_ | if its going to happen its going ot be in 3 or 4 years time rather than any time soon. |
| 22:45.26 | Cope | Ewww! Flame war! |
| 22:45.40 | Xiaoqi | anyway, its late and I'm worn out... so I am off to sleep |
| 22:45.45 | Xiaoqi | good night all!! |
| 22:45.51 | Cope | nn Xiaoqi |
| 22:45.58 | Xiaoqi | sleep well everyone :) |
| 22:46.02 | Cope | ty |
| 22:46.39 | irvined_ | nn |
| 22:49.47 | stephanb | well i'm off too |
| 22:49.51 | stephanb | cya |
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| 22:58.20 | eye69 | I wonder if it's possible to clean an MO disk with isopropyl alcohol |
| 22:59.51 | Cope | I don't see why not. |
| 23:02.08 | eye69 | We'll see in a minute. |
| 23:09.37 | eye69 | DOH...turns out that cfdisk doesn't partition them correctly...worked fine with the usual fdisk. |
| 23:12.01 | Cope | Huh? |
| 23:12.07 | highbury | lime-lite is pretty effective ;) |
| 23:12.17 | Cope | Heh Highbury |
| 23:15.36 | eye69 | Hey highbury |
| 23:17.17 | Cope | ibot highbury |
| 23:17.17 | | highbury is, like, Steve, home page http://www.highbury.demon.co.uk, currently available for contract or permanent position, as a Unix Administrator and Security Consultant |
| 23:18.08 | eye69 | ~status |
| 23:18.09 | | Since Wed Jul 23 06:39:02 2003, there have been 44 modifications, 265 questions, 198 dunnos, 2 morons and 261 commands. I have been awake for 9d 16h 39m 6s this session, and currently reference 85144 factoids. I'm using about 16140 kB of memory. |
