00:37.15 | JD | anyone still ere? |
06:12.22 | JD | anoyone awake? |
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09:44.04 | JD | hi |
09:55.04 | skugg | hi jd |
09:59.38 | Jenson | heya guys |
10:03.10 | skugg | hi jenson |
10:04.28 | Jenson | heya skugg how are you today? |
10:04.45 | skugg | hot! :P |
10:05.01 | skugg | i'm okay, actually |
10:05.46 | Jenson | bloody windows, dying on me here |
10:08.35 | nasrat | moin |
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10:32.36 | Jenson | heya Leeds how are you? |
10:34.43 | Leeds | hot |
10:34.54 | Leeds | on hold at Orange |
10:35.26 | Leeds | you? |
10:36.00 | Jenson | tired, was out with Alex and Paul and Lisa last night |
10:36.34 | Leeds | I went into London and met gregj... |
10:36.43 | Leeds | got in at 3am :-) |
10:37.03 | Jenson | i think i went to sleep about then |
10:38.26 | Leeds | hmm... |
10:38.33 | Leeds | this could get interesting |
10:38.46 | Jenson | i got in about 1:45 i think |
10:39.00 | Jenson | After Alex insisted we had to leave coz he's gotta work this morning |
10:39.05 | Jenson | he's not doing anything though |
10:39.12 | Jenson | ive done more than him and its not my job |
10:39.52 | Leeds | apparently the Orange 'retentions' (i.e. cancellations - but try to persuade them not to leave) guy who offered a credit to cover my upgrade fee didn't have the authority to do that... |
10:40.06 | Leeds | I thought it was a good deal... I'm not going to pay it though |
10:42.36 | Leeds | I didn't really want to be out so late... but I found that I'd got the wrong night bus last time, and there's another one which starts from a better place and drops me off much closer (3 quid cab or 30 minute walk) from home |
10:43.49 | Leeds | but then I did go to sleep with the curtains open - it's amazing I slept as late as I did |
10:44.51 | Jenson | lol |
10:44.59 | Jenson | sorry i wandered off to dance lol |
10:45.20 | Leeds | um, okay |
10:47.55 | Jenson | lol |
10:47.56 | Jenson | yeh |
10:47.58 | Jenson | i know im weird |
10:49.18 | Leeds | um, okay |
10:49.58 | Jenson | anyway, what were you and gregj doing last night then? |
10:53.06 | Leeds | cinema... wandering around town enjoying the crowds and the weather |
10:53.23 | Leeds | T3 |
10:55.52 | Leeds | yay Red Dwarf 1.1 |
11:03.55 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
11:05.45 | Leeds | afternoon Xiaoqi |
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11:07.17 | pdr | hello |
11:07.54 | Leeds | hey pete |
11:08.03 | pdr | hi leeds |
11:08.10 | Leeds | how's things? |
11:08.14 | pdr | pretty good |
11:08.16 | Jenson | heya pdr |
11:08.18 | Jenson | heya Xiaoqi |
11:08.25 | pdr | hiya jenson |
11:08.53 | Leeds | did you have a good time up norf? |
11:09.20 | pdr | yeah, twas a lot of fun |
11:10.06 | Leeds | I don't know who it was referring to |
11:11.06 | pdr | what are you guys up to today? |
11:11.19 | Leeds | cleaning, tidying... learning j2me |
11:11.30 | Jenson | being sleepy |
11:11.36 | pdr | each as difficult as each other |
11:11.39 | pdr | Jenson: out last night? |
11:12.43 | Jenson | yeh |
11:12.47 | Jenson | heya Tarragon |
11:12.53 | Tarragon | HI |
11:13.15 | pdr | hi tarragon |
11:13.45 | pdr | jenson: where were you out last night? |
11:13.57 | Jenson | bmovieclub |
11:14.04 | Jenson | with nasrat and A4266 |
11:14.08 | Leeds | bluemovieclub? |
11:14.08 | Jenson | and cozmonort |
11:14.21 | pdr | any good? |
11:14.24 | Jenson | http://www.bmovieclub.co.uk |
11:14.32 | Jenson | yeh was good |
11:15.38 | pdr | "While it lives, no one is safe!" |
11:16.04 | Xiaoqi | how is everyone today? |
11:16.31 | pdr | Xiaoqi: good |
11:17.01 | Leeds | Xiaoqi: tired and hot |
11:17.05 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
11:18.40 | Leeds | woo! I have Hello World on my phone :-) |
11:19.20 | pdr | Leeds: cool |
11:19.22 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
11:19.43 | Leeds | when it works, bluetooth rocks... |
11:22.59 | JD | hi ak |
11:23.01 | JD | all |
11:23.06 | JD | so people are awake now |
11:23.23 | pdr | hi jd |
11:23.39 | Xiaoqi | hi JD |
11:24.15 | skugg | hi pdr |
11:24.25 | Jenson | heya JD I'm not awake |
11:24.26 | pdr | hi skugg |
11:25.19 | Jenson | JD: out last night? |
11:25.23 | JD | yeah |
11:25.37 | JD | got ever so slightly embarrassingly drunk |
11:25.48 | Jenson | bah, shoulda been there |
11:25.52 | JD | and managed to knacker my new camera |
11:26.06 | Jenson | actually you should have been where i was, watching 2 gorgeous goth gurlies kissing |
11:26.14 | Jenson | and gorgeous gothbois looking like girls |
11:26.33 | pdr | Jenson: dagnamit! where was that? |
11:26.59 | JD | pdr: you like boys that look like girls do you? |
11:27.02 | Jenson | pdr: bmovieclub.....they were all over each other outside....Alex said i should have asked to join in...damn well wanted to |
11:27.22 | pdr | JD: two girls kissing i meant |
11:27.30 | JD | pdr: yeah yeah what ever |
11:27.56 | JD | is that a purely goth club? |
11:27.56 | pdr | JD: Emma called today to arrange when she wants to look at the spare room |
11:28.06 | JD | cooooool |
11:28.12 | JD | say hi to her |
11:28.31 | Jenson | JD: well yeh, once a month when its turned into a club...its a pub at the front with dancefloor at the back, very nice |
11:28.43 | Jenson | pdr: Who's Emma? |
11:29.00 | JD | cute aussie girl that I'm sure pdr is going to shag |
11:29.04 | JD | at some point |
11:29.14 | Jenson | oooh ooh cool |
11:29.16 | pdr | Jenson: She was at the conference - JD has a thing for her |
11:29.26 | Jenson | pdr: oh...that aussie girl |
11:29.31 | Jenson | yeh JD told me about her |
11:29.35 | JD | slight out of my league methinks |
11:30.03 | JD | are you sure you aren't |
11:30.14 | Leeds | hmm, who? |
11:30.18 | Jenson | nah im not |
11:30.24 | Jenson | they just seem to be discovering me |
11:30.34 | JD | well there you go then |
11:30.37 | JD | sit back and relax |
11:30.47 | JD | wy go to them if they come to you |
11:30.51 | pdr | are you single again Jenson? |
11:31.02 | Jenson | exactly...and why get in a serious relationship when you can just flirt |
11:31.10 | Jenson | pdr: have been for over a month darling |
11:31.27 | Jenson | me and Alex are still kinda together, but not |
11:31.30 | pdr | Jenson: indeed, serious relationships are much less fun |
11:32.14 | JD | sleeping with the ex is much more fun |
11:32.23 | Jenson | JD: exactly... |
11:32.27 | pdr | JD: totally |
11:32.32 | JD | me should be writing an essay right now |
11:32.47 | JD | but as I'm still nursig a hangover I don;t feel like doing it |
11:32.54 | Jenson | JD: nah, this is more fun |
11:33.13 | JD | what |
11:33.21 | pdr | I think it's all in the same vein - all about doing something when you shouldn't is always better |
11:33.23 | JD | getting hot talking on irc |
11:33.39 | JD | Leeds: I think I missed the story there |
11:33.53 | Jenson | pdr: heh now thats always fun |
11:34.05 | Jenson | Leeds: still annoyed babe |
11:34.29 | Leeds | JD: downloaded my Orange bill... it's got the full upgrade fee on it - I was told I'd get a credit to cover the upgrade fee... called them - apparently the guy I spoke to didn't have the authority to do that... his supervisor will call me on Monday |
11:35.16 | JD | Leeds: tbh it isn;t your problem |
11:35.24 | JD | it is their fsckup and they can fix it |
11:35.38 | Leeds | the bill isn't due until the end of the month - I'm quite prepared to pay the rest and ignore the fee |
11:35.56 | Jenson | Orange is quite good at fscking up |
11:35.59 | JD | mention the fact that you entered into a contract with their company and they have not kept to it |
11:36.23 | JD | sales of goods act and all that |
11:36.29 | JD | mention trading standards to |
11:36.38 | Leeds | oh - I have no doubt it'll get sorted in my favour... |
11:36.38 | JD | cos that is always good fun |
11:36.45 | JD | do you want me to look things up? |
11:36.56 | pdr | JD: goods? |
11:37.03 | Leeds | since there's no chance I'd have taken the upgrade for 75 quid more |
11:37.07 | Leeds | goods/services |
11:37.40 | JD | pdr: I'm confused |
11:37.56 | Leeds | if it comes to it - I'll send the phone back and cancel the line - which is what I was intending to do when they made me the upgrade offer |
11:38.09 | JD | what did you get as an upgrade? |
11:38.33 | Leeds | T610 |
11:38.35 | pdr | JD: me too |
11:40.16 | Leeds | pdr: what did you mean by "JD: goods?" |
11:41.20 | pdr | he said "sales of goods" but i was under the impression that it was a service that you were talking about. just being pedantic. and incorrectly at that |
11:41.38 | JD | pdr: these sorts of things are covered by the Sales of Goods act(1979) as amended by Sale and Supply of Goods act (1994) |
11:41.48 | Leeds | pdr: it's a phone... it' |
11:41.50 | pdr | ok |
11:41.50 | Leeds | it's a good |
11:42.17 | pdr | yeah, i gather that now - i'm half watching the cricket so not paying too much attention :-) |
11:44.23 | JD | there is also Trade Descriptions Act 1968 |
11:46.19 | Leeds | it's very simple... it's a verbal contract, made between me and the agent of a company - and another agent of the company is saying the contract isn't valid. I had no reason to believe at the time that it was anything other than a good deal - it wasn't a stunning deal, so I had no suspicion that it wasn't valid |
11:46.48 | JD | Leeds: do you have any written documentation? |
11:46.53 | Leeds | no |
11:46.59 | JD | hmmm |
11:47.20 | JD | you could get into a he said ... no he didn't argument |
11:47.23 | Leeds | only thing I have is an invoice from them for the upgrade |
11:47.35 | JD | does that have a price on it? |
11:47.55 | Leeds | yes |
11:48.03 | JD | for hte lower price? |
11:48.08 | Leeds | but the upgrade fee and the payment for the phone are different |
11:48.16 | JD | ? |
11:49.14 | Leeds | you pay a certain (discounted) amount for the phone - which can be anything from 0 to a couple of hundred quid |
11:49.38 | Leeds | you also pay an upgrade fee if you're within a certain period of your contract and/or if your monthly spend is below a certain level |
11:50.24 | Leeds | in order for me to get a discounted upgrade, I should have paid a 75 pound upgrade fee, over and above the discounted price of the phone - and I was told that, and told that I'd get a credit to cover the 75 quid. The credit is mising |
11:50.56 | JD | so you paid hte full price and told that you would get some back |
11:51.24 | Leeds | I paid the quoted price for the phone |
11:51.50 | Leeds | I've been billed for the upgrade fee - which I was told would happen - but without the promised credit to cover it |
11:52.29 | Leeds | I haven't paid it yet, since the upgrade fee is an orange 'contract' fee - and therefore appears on my monthly bill, whereas the phone price is a 'sales' thing and is billed and charged separately |
11:53.01 | JD | so it was only verbal that you would get a credit |
11:53.06 | Leeds | yes |
11:53.16 | Leeds | but it was only verbal that I'd get a phone and pay for it... |
11:53.23 | JD | and you weren't wired at the time? |
11:53.35 | Leeds | nope |
11:53.50 | JD | hmmm |
11:54.27 | JD | still it isn;t your problem that he wasn't authorised to make the discount |
11:54.38 | JD | he was an employee of the company |
11:54.46 | JD | was it an orage shop or over the phone? |
11:55.28 | Leeds | this was orange over the phone |
11:55.30 | Leeds | directly |
11:55.44 | JD | hmmm I would ask them for a transcript of the phone call |
11:55.58 | JD | they tend to record these things |
11:56.02 | Leeds | sure |
11:56.10 | Leeds | if they argue, that's what I'll do |
11:56.17 | JD | how long ago was it |
11:56.24 | Leeds | 18th July |
11:56.27 | JD | they may claim that that call wasn't recorded |
11:56.34 | JD | so quite recent then |
11:56.41 | JD | I would od i soon anyway |
11:56.54 | Leeds | od i? |
11:56.59 | Leeds | do it? |
11:57.26 | JD | yeah |
11:58.14 | Leeds | for now, they have the benefit of my doubt... I'm expecting a call on Monday from someone to say "it was a cock-up, let's go halves" or something - to which I reply "let's go wholes... I'm not planning on paying it" |
11:59.15 | JD | agreed |
11:59.28 | Leeds | at least I'm anal enough to have downloaded the bill on the day it was published - maximum time to work it out |
12:00.23 | Leeds | or alternatively, plenty of time to cancel my automatic direct debit to make sure I don't pay it |
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12:18.30 | zachary | afternoon |
12:20.33 | pdr | hi zach |
12:21.12 | Leeds | we're in the middle of an August heatwave, right? |
12:22.04 | Leeds | Live... European... ski jumping... :-) |
12:22.36 | Leeds | ah-ha! |
12:22.37 | JD | Leeds: on like real snow? |
12:22.46 | Leeds | dry-slope ski jumping :-) |
12:23.12 | Leeds | how surreal... |
12:23.16 | JD | they could it in milton keynes :) |
12:23.31 | Leeds | finishing on grass! |
12:24.35 | JD | that is cos there is snow in milton keynes |
12:24.56 | JD | come to milton keynes :) |
12:25.08 | JD | come early next weekend and go |
12:25.18 | Leeds | that's a possibilty... |
12:25.29 | Leeds | maybe later in the year |
12:25.30 | JD | you can get a bus to bletchley form MK |
12:25.37 | JD | you can't miss the snow place |
12:25.45 | JD | it is the biggest blot on the landscape |
12:25.52 | Leeds | is there a website? or a name, so I can google it? |
12:26.00 | JD | xscape |
12:26.19 | JD | strange man |
12:26.31 | Leeds | pdr: long way to go to ski |
12:26.37 | pdr | indeed |
12:26.59 | Leeds | ooh... there's one opening in Castleford |
12:27.10 | pdr | apparently the first ever ski school was in Australia |
12:28.12 | Leeds | JD: it looks like a fun place... |
12:29.24 | JD | Leeds: but that is a bit of a trek from London :) |
12:29.43 | Leeds | a lot closer than Threadbo... |
12:29.46 | JD | on the way to ukuug |
12:31.38 | Leeds | possibly... |
12:31.47 | Leeds | does mean getting up and going a lot earlier... |
12:32.14 | Leeds | anyway - MK isn't that far away for me, in the sense that it's just straight up the M1 |
12:33.00 | Leeds | pdr: I found AU$45 this morning... when are you going? :-) |
12:33.33 | JD | wow 15GBP |
12:33.56 | Leeds | better to get rid of it to pdr than to a bank/travel place |
12:34.14 | JD | yeah |
12:34.42 | Leeds | I also have 1000 Baht |
12:34.45 | JD | hmm breakfast |
12:35.01 | JD | wow 16GBP |
12:35.05 | Leeds | indeed |
12:35.38 | Leeds | I wonder how different the aerodynamics are flying over a dry slope vs. real snow... |
12:35.43 | JD | do yo ucollect about 15GBP in lots of currencies? |
12:36.00 | Leeds | I've got about 5GBP in Euro and US$, I think |
12:36.27 | pdr | Leeds: On Wednesday |
12:36.29 | Leeds | and I've got a few pesetas somewhere as well |
12:36.33 | JD | I don;t think I had any baht or AUD left |
12:36.38 | Leeds | pdr: that's no good then... |
12:36.58 | JD | you could mail it |
12:37.15 | Leeds | what, cash in the mail??? :-) |
12:37.22 | JD | yeah |
12:37.26 | Leeds | pdr: do you want/need some AU$ cash/change? |
12:38.12 | pdr | yeah ok |
12:38.40 | pdr | how can we do the transfer? |
12:39.03 | Leeds | mail, probably |
12:39.49 | JD | you relly are not paying attension are you? |
12:41.34 | Leeds | I also appear to have $7 in coins... |
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12:48.51 | pdr | jd: who me? |
12:50.40 | pdr | l8r all |
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13:19.17 | JD | http://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/cvsanal/kde-cvs/gnuplot/evolution/LOCs_in_time_for_kdelibs.png |
13:19.21 | JD | interesting |
13:41.03 | Leeds | JD: ping |
13:41.21 | JD | pong |
13:41.49 | Leeds | which camera do you have? |
13:42.01 | JD | Optio S |
13:42.06 | Leeds | make? |
13:42.08 | JD | except is is fscked |
13:42.10 | JD | Pentax |
13:42.11 | JD | sorry |
13:42.12 | Leeds | talking to my sister about cameras |
13:42.46 | Leeds | apart from that, any good? |
13:42.56 | JD | yeah it was great |
13:43.03 | JD | except it had a long bootup time |
13:43.26 | JD | a good few seconds |
13:45.08 | gregj | Leeds: :-) |
13:46.17 | JD | hi dave |
13:46.21 | Clyphox | Hi |
13:47.54 | Leeds | once it's on it's quick enough, right? doesn't take a while to save or anything? |
13:48.01 | Leeds | (she likes the look of it) |
13:48.04 | Leeds | hey gregj, Clyphox |
13:48.12 | Clyphox | Heya Leeds :-) |
13:48.28 | JD | a couple of seconds |
13:48.52 | Leeds | so you can't just click click click? |
13:49.00 | JD | don't know |
13:49.16 | JD | and I can't test it now either |
13:52.55 | Tarragon | Never, I repeat never trust a woman! |
13:53.19 | Jenson|AWay | Tarragon: heh |
13:53.21 | Leeds | it's nearly 3pm and I've done nothing today except spend 45 minutes advising my sister on digital camera |
13:53.30 | Tarragon | Bought children bigger better water pistols. Alison has just drenched me |
13:53.31 | Leeds | Tarragon: anything particular you want to explain? |
13:53.52 | Leeds | hmm... where's the webcam again? :-) |
13:54.25 | Tarragon | Water everywhere. Keyboards are waterproof anrn't they? |
13:54.39 | Leeds | I trust Josette... my book turned up yesterday (last night while I was out as far as I can tell...) |
13:54.50 | Jenson|AWay | Tarragon: i dont tend to water mine |
13:54.59 | Jenson|AWay | my phone is fscked after 2 drops of rain got on it |
13:55.03 | Jenson|AWay | its acting real weird |
13:55.12 | Leeds | water might be okay... beer/cola/coffee/sweat? maybe not |
13:56.09 | Leeds | no longer live |
13:56.16 | JD | channel? |
13:56.40 | Leeds | Eurosport - where else? |
13:56.42 | JD | that looks like a bike to me |
13:57.05 | Leeds | I did say no longer live |
13:57.20 | Leeds | although the TiVo is still recording... |
13:57.37 | JD | I was expecting recorded skiing |
13:57.46 | Jenson|AWay | Alex is looking at the cheeky girls bums lol |
13:57.53 | Leeds | yes... the TiVo has confused bikes with skis... silly TiVo |
13:58.13 | Leeds | there *was* skiing on - I'm watching it about 70 minutes time-shifted |
13:58.34 | Tarragon | See sensible girl would have given children water pistols and come inside. Not set up hosepipe gun |
13:59.05 | JD | avril lavigne diary :( |
13:59.21 | Leeds | ugh |
13:59.52 | JD | mtv |
14:00.00 | Leeds | there's been an API change in 2.6.0test3 for block devices??? isn't it a bit late for that? |
14:00.12 | JD | nah |
14:00.21 | JD | never too late for anything |
14:00.25 | Jenson|AWay | i really am going now |
14:00.26 | Jenson|AWay | seeya |
14:02.23 | Leeds | since when has Africa been a country? |
14:02.38 | JD | ? |
14:02.43 | Clyphox | ? |
14:02.57 | Clyphox | bloody big country if I don't say.. |
14:03.00 | JD | since americans opened their mouth |
14:03.27 | Leeds | nah - Eurosport.com |
14:08.02 | JD | god this is crap |
14:41.18 | gregj | Leeds: who cares ? there are not too many drivers for 2.6 finished now |
14:43.19 | gregj | Leeds: i am looking forward to test new swswap thing |
14:43.39 | gregj | Leeds: becouse there were many changes for it |
14:46.17 | JD | any wlan users here? |
14:46.25 | gregj | me |
14:46.35 | gregj | if you are talking about wireless |
14:47.20 | gregj | :-) |
14:48.02 | gregj | hello! |
14:48.08 | gregj | anyone see me here ? |
14:53.14 | irvined_ | nope |
14:53.15 | irvined_ | no sign of you gregj |
14:53.44 | Leeds | JD: yes |
14:55.06 | JD | Leeds: what is a decent SNR? |
14:55.55 | Leeds | dunno... |
14:56.01 | Leeds | which figure is that? |
14:56.10 | Leeds | cat /proc/net/wireless | grep wlan0 |
14:56.10 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
14:56.35 | Leeds | is the noise value snr? |
14:56.37 | JD | not sure |
14:56.42 | JD | looking at wavemon |
14:57.04 | Leeds | dunno wavemon |
14:57.04 | JD | david-laptop david% cat /proc/net/wireless | grep eth2 |
14:57.05 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
14:57.12 | Leeds | hmm.. |
14:57.59 | JD | looks like the 177 |
15:00.00 | Leeds | so is 203 better than 177? |
15:00.12 | JD | really not sure |
15:00.21 | Leeds | why not? |
15:00.40 | JD | cos I would have throught a lower number would be better |
15:01.06 | Leeds | well... it could be level out of 255 or something |
15:05.51 | JD | where is everyone? |
15:05.59 | JD | at this rate I will have to do my essay |
15:06.01 | Leeds | north London |
15:06.05 | Leeds | where are you? |
15:06.11 | JD | norht of london |
15:22.08 | Leeds | and you're bored? |
15:22.29 | JD | yeah |
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15:22.38 | Leeds | or boring? |
15:22.38 | JD | and fantastically hot |
15:22.46 | JD | probably both |
15:22.50 | Leeds | paul will solve all our problems!!! :-) |
15:22.51 | JD | hi paul |
15:22.55 | cupis | hey ho |
15:22.59 | JD | yey for cupis |
15:23.09 | Leeds | cupis: can you make us cool and interesting? |
15:23.19 | cupis | err... |
15:23.30 | JD | cool as in not hot rather than cool as in not sad losers |
15:23.41 | Leeds | oh... and slim would be nice... |
15:23.58 | JD | yeah and richer beyond our wildest dreams |
15:25.30 | JD | too hot for everything |
15:25.54 | Leeds | hmm... swimming |
15:27.37 | JD | how do you set up a laptop and a desktop with one userdb |
15:28.06 | JD | so that you can use hte laptop remotely and still have the shared db when connected to the network |
15:28.14 | JD | and do not say rsync |
15:28.53 | Leeds | ldap with failover? |
15:32.49 | JD | will openldap do replication? |
15:33.11 | JD | hmmm I could have a master slapd and replicate it out to each host |
15:33.13 | JD | hmmmm |
15:34.47 | JD | okay that takes care of authentication |
15:35.25 | JD | what about homedir |
15:35.34 | cupis | JD: CVS |
15:36.13 | JD | eeck |
15:36.42 | JD | ah of course slurpd |
15:37.55 | JD | go get some food thne |
15:38.54 | Leeds | that means moving and stuff... but the car has aircon! |
15:39.04 | Leeds | hmm... clothes |
15:39.57 | JD | know the feeling |
15:44.02 | JD | bye |
15:47.14 | JD | anyone use ldap here? |
15:47.20 | JD | cupis: how are you? |
15:47.31 | cupis | Fine thanks. You? |
15:47.38 | cupis | How's your CV writing going? |
15:49.33 | JD | slowly |
15:50.01 | JD | so have you started interviewing? |
15:50.10 | cupis | Yes. |
15:50.18 | JD | any one good yet? |
15:51.32 | cupis | JD: -> /query |
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16:20.55 | Leeds | darn |
16:21.09 | stephanb | its too hot |
16:21.22 | stephanb | Leeds: sabbath shalom |
16:21.23 | Leeds | duh |
16:21.31 | Leeds | hey :-) |
16:21.41 | Leeds | cupis: far too mature of you |
16:21.59 | cupis | Leeds: :) |
16:22.07 | cupis | I'm old before my time. |
16:23.22 | stephanb | Leeds: there is probably something with hygrometry as well |
16:23.32 | Leeds | sure |
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16:24.55 | Leeds | In the old smoke saunas the temperature varied from about 50 to 75?C (122 to 167?F). The lower the temperature the more water was generally used and the more humid was the resulting heat. A higher temperature with less humidity was considered better. By today?s standards these temperatures seem rather low. The recommendation now is 80-90?C (176-194?F) with moderate humidity, but in many saunas today the temperature exceeds 100?C (212?F), a |
16:24.55 | Leeds | t least at the beginning. When a traditional wood burning sauna is heated for many people, the temperature must be high at first or otherwise the last bathers would not have enough heat left. |
16:25.36 | Leeds | The maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the |
16:25.36 | Leeds | United States is 90 celcius (194 farenheit). |
16:25.41 | Leeds | and so on |
16:26.29 | JD | thanks sauna boy |
16:26.48 | stephanb | Leeds: london 35C / 95F, RH 34%, 1017 HPa, (bbc) |
16:27.24 | Leeds | my room: 37C 51% |
16:28.27 | stephanb | my room 33C, i shouldnt complain |
16:28.34 | stephanb | although i'm sweating |
16:32.41 | stephanb | bbl |
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16:34.43 | Leeds | 10 print "Dixons Sucks!" |
16:34.46 | Leeds | 20 goto 10 |
16:35.03 | JD | Strong experience programming in C++, Perl, Python, Shell |
16:35.04 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
16:35.04 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
16:37.35 | JD | anything else? |
16:38.15 | Leeds | sed,awk? |
16:38.21 | JD | hmmm not really |
16:38.21 | Leeds | regex? |
16:38.28 | JD | ooh yeah |
16:38.43 | Leeds | no Java? I'm disappointed |
16:39.01 | JD | java stinks |
16:39.18 | Leeds | only if you don't like the smell of coffee |
16:40.33 | JD | the only good thing about Java that I have found it its IO |
16:47.27 | JD | git |
16:47.31 | JD | give me one |
16:47.48 | Leeds | bit far mate... |
16:47.59 | Leeds | I went to M&S... |
16:48.03 | JD | get in your car and drive |
16:48.35 | Leeds | um... |
16:48.54 | Leeds | alternatively I could do something vaguely worthwhile with my afternoon |
16:49.09 | Leeds | going over to the park soonish... wait for the sun to get lower |
16:49.17 | Leeds | mmm... banana |
16:49.24 | Jenson | park good idea |
16:59.52 | JD | can people look at http://davidpashley.com/resume.html and tell me what they think? |
17:00.06 | JD | part of it is still soemone elses |
17:01.36 | Jenson | it says XML parsing error |
17:01.55 | JD | get a better browser? |
17:02.08 | Jenson | its Mozilla |
17:02.33 | Jenson | ooh, works with IE |
17:03.33 | Jenson | ywh looks nice |
17:03.50 | JD | anyone else comment? |
17:04.12 | JD | or at least comment |
17:06.10 | Jenson | Alex says he's too busy looking for his book. |
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17:09.41 | cupis | <JD> get a better browser? |
17:09.54 | cupis | JD: get a better/correct XML generator. |
17:10.55 | JD | cupis: when I work out what it is I will file a bug |
17:11.15 | cupis | It is not closing <META> tags properly, at least. |
17:12.04 | cupis | What software is it? |
17:12.19 | Jenson | it says |
17:12.35 | Jenson | ignore that lol |
17:12.38 | Jenson | bloodsy windoiwa |
17:12.40 | Jenson | windows |
17:13.49 | JD | cupis: xsltproc |
17:15.28 | JD | hmmm not sure where that is coming form |
17:15.40 | Leeds | the freezer |
17:19.00 | JD | grrr bloody xslt |
17:19.14 | JD | why does it never output valid html |
17:20.06 | cupis | JD: it does output proper html. But it thinks it is outputing valid XHTML, when it clearly is not. |
17:36.10 | JD | hmmm why is the output not the same as the stylesheets |
17:38.11 | JD | grrr |
17:38.15 | JD | okay shower time |
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18:22.23 | JD | hi |
18:46.01 | Leeds | ibot google for pathetic clown |
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20:41.51 | Leeds | all the *surfaces* are hot |
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20:50.07 | Leeds | anyone awake? |
20:52.17 | stephanb | yep |
20:52.32 | stephanb | in liquid phase though |
20:52.41 | stephanb | watching seinfeld |
20:53.04 | Leeds | liquid phase sounds good... |
20:53.34 | stephanb | from theoutside, but it's not so pleasant from the inside |
20:53.35 | Leeds | but I'm not sure alcohol is a good idea in this weather |
20:54.41 | Leeds | I've been out to the park across the road... many Israeli families... very surreal |
20:54.44 | stephanb | oh i wasnt alluding to that |
20:54.59 | stephanb | that = alcohol |
20:55.10 | Leeds | so what did you mean? |
20:55.28 | stephanb | that it's so hot, i'm melting |
20:55.43 | Leeds | ah |
20:55.50 | Leeds | I'm just covered in liquid |
21:14.08 | Xiaoqi | hi all |
21:14.42 | Leeds | morning |
21:14.55 | Xiaoqi | :) |
21:15.22 | Leeds | is it spine-meltingly hot up there as well? |
21:15.37 | Xiaoqi | hehe, just about |
21:19.21 | stephanb | Xiaoqi: car boot sale :-o |
21:19.47 | stephanb | looking for IBM model M keyboards hmmmmmmmm ? |
21:20.17 | Xiaoqi | erm, no... trying to get rid of a load of useless junk for a profit |
21:20.36 | Leeds | I could do with a spare boot for my car... |
21:20.45 | stephanb | oic |
21:20.55 | Xiaoqi | Leeds: :P |
21:21.48 | stephanb | Leeds: to put your mp3 server in your boot next to the amplifiers and the subwoofer |
21:25.51 | Leeds | nah... although I do quite fancy one of those short-range FM thingies |
21:26.17 | Leeds | you know... the illegal ones |
21:30.27 | stephanb | "women go after doctors like men go after models" |
21:30.47 | stephanb | "they want someone with a great knowledge of the body..." |
21:30.55 | stephanb | "we just want the body" |
21:31.01 | stephanb | (Jerry Seinfeld) |
21:31.19 | stephanb | Leeds: the doodas that plug on an iPod ? |
21:31.33 | Leeds | yes |
21:32.03 | Leeds | but for an iPAQ, not an iPod |
21:33.27 | stephanb | oic you're not part of the Apple caste /elite /snobbery game |
21:33.50 | Leeds | well... they make good hardware and (recently) good software... but they charge far far too much |
21:34.06 | stephanb | gucci computers |
21:34.37 | Leeds | right |
21:43.11 | stephanb | there are rumours on the reg of apple and sun getting in partnership |
21:43.37 | stephanb | the elitist club of unix vertical integration |
21:44.48 | stephanb | actually the article casts a good critique of the wintel business model |
21:45.27 | stephanb | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32219.html |
21:47.11 | Leeds | I read it... |
21:47.13 | Leeds | no comment... |
21:48.14 | stephanb | well i like the first part. How basically the stock exchange likes companies that make computers and software that doesnt really work |
21:49.18 | nasrat | Leeds: you don't wish to comment or you can't :) |
21:51.11 | stephanb | murble: where is that ? slovakia ? |
21:51.35 | murble | slovakia yes, google for http://lwb2003 |
21:52.35 | murble | s/lwb/lbw/ |
21:52.56 | Leeds | nasrat: I have nothing to say :-) |
21:53.22 | stephanb | Linuxový Pivný Put'ák |
21:53.42 | murble | had fun with the train. |
21:54.12 | stephanb | murble: whats the temperature over there |
21:57.57 | Leeds | it's hot, damn hot! |
21:58.28 | murble | not here it isn't. |
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22:48.01 | stephanb | off to bed |
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