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00:37.15JDanyone still ere?
06:12.22JDanoyone awake?
09:41.50*** join/#gllug skugg (~stig@81-86-255-231.dsl.pipex.com)
09:44.04JDhi
09:55.04skugghi jd
09:59.38Jensonheya guys
10:03.10skugghi jenson
10:04.28Jensonheya skugg how are you today?
10:04.45skugghot! :P
10:05.01skuggi'm okay, actually
10:05.46Jensonbloody windows, dying on me here
10:08.35nasratmoin
10:32.05*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@user-2282.wfd20.dsl.pol.co.uk)
10:32.36Jensonheya Leeds how are you?
10:34.43Leedshot
10:34.54Leedson hold at Orange
10:35.26Leedsyou?
10:36.00Jensontired, was out with Alex and Paul and Lisa last night
10:36.34LeedsI went into London and met gregj...
10:36.43Leedsgot in at 3am :-)
10:37.03Jensoni think i went to sleep about then
10:38.26Leedshmm...
10:38.33Leedsthis could get interesting
10:38.46Jensoni got in about 1:45 i think
10:39.00JensonAfter Alex insisted we had to leave coz he's gotta work this morning
10:39.05Jensonhe's not doing anything though
10:39.12Jensonive done more than him and its not my job
10:39.52Leedsapparently the Orange 'retentions' (i.e. cancellations - but try to persuade them not to leave) guy who offered a credit to cover my upgrade fee didn't have the authority to do that...
10:40.06LeedsI thought it was a good deal... I'm not going to pay it though
10:42.36LeedsI didn't really want to be out so late... but I found that I'd got the wrong night bus last time, and there's another one which starts from a better place and drops me off much closer (3 quid cab or 30 minute walk) from home
10:43.49Leedsbut then I did go to sleep with the curtains open - it's amazing I slept as late as I did
10:44.51Jensonlol
10:44.59Jensonsorry i wandered off to dance lol
10:45.20Leedsum, okay
10:47.55Jensonlol
10:47.56Jensonyeh
10:47.58Jensoni know im weird
10:49.18Leedsum, okay
10:49.58Jensonanyway, what were you and gregj doing last night then?
10:53.06Leedscinema... wandering around town enjoying the crowds and the weather
10:53.23LeedsT3
10:55.52Leedsyay Red Dwarf 1.1
11:03.55Xiaoqimorning all
11:05.45Leedsafternoon Xiaoqi
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11:07.17pdrhello
11:07.54Leedshey pete
11:08.03pdrhi leeds
11:08.10Leedshow's things?
11:08.14pdrpretty good
11:08.16Jensonheya pdr
11:08.18Jensonheya Xiaoqi
11:08.25pdrhiya jenson
11:08.53Leedsdid you have a good time up norf?
11:09.20pdryeah, twas a lot of fun
11:10.06LeedsI don't know who it was referring to
11:11.06pdrwhat are you guys up to today?
11:11.19Leedscleaning, tidying... learning j2me
11:11.30Jensonbeing sleepy
11:11.36pdreach as difficult as each other
11:11.39pdrJenson: out last night?
11:12.43Jensonyeh
11:12.47Jensonheya Tarragon
11:12.53TarragonHI
11:13.15pdrhi tarragon
11:13.45pdrjenson: where were you out last night?
11:13.57Jensonbmovieclub
11:14.04Jensonwith nasrat and A4266
11:14.08Leedsbluemovieclub?
11:14.08Jensonand cozmonort
11:14.21pdrany good?
11:14.24Jensonhttp://www.bmovieclub.co.uk
11:14.32Jensonyeh was good
11:15.38pdr"While it lives, no one is safe!"
11:16.04Xiaoqihow is everyone today?
11:16.31pdrXiaoqi: good
11:17.01LeedsXiaoqi: tired and hot
11:17.05Xiaoqihehe
11:18.40Leedswoo! I have Hello World on my phone :-)
11:19.20pdrLeeds: cool
11:19.22Xiaoqihehe
11:19.43Leedswhen it works, bluetooth rocks...
11:22.59JDhi ak
11:23.01JDall
11:23.06JDso people are awake now
11:23.23pdrhi jd
11:23.39Xiaoqihi JD
11:24.15skugghi pdr
11:24.25Jensonheya JD I'm not awake
11:24.26pdrhi skugg
11:25.19JensonJD: out last night?
11:25.23JDyeah
11:25.37JDgot ever so slightly embarrassingly drunk
11:25.48Jensonbah, shoulda been there
11:25.52JDand managed to knacker my new camera
11:26.06Jensonactually you should have been where i was, watching 2 gorgeous goth gurlies kissing
11:26.14Jensonand gorgeous gothbois looking like girls
11:26.33pdrJenson: dagnamit!  where was that?
11:26.59JDpdr: you like boys that look like girls do you?
11:27.02Jensonpdr: bmovieclub.....they were all over each other outside....Alex said i should have asked to join in...damn well wanted to
11:27.22pdrJD: two girls kissing i meant
11:27.30JDpdr: yeah yeah what ever
11:27.56JDis that a purely goth club?
11:27.56pdrJD: Emma called today to arrange when she wants to look at the spare room
11:28.06JDcooooool
11:28.12JDsay hi to her
11:28.31JensonJD: well yeh, once a month when its turned into a club...its a pub at the front with dancefloor at the back, very nice
11:28.43Jensonpdr: Who's Emma?
11:29.00JDcute aussie girl that I'm sure pdr is going to shag
11:29.04JDat some point
11:29.14Jensonoooh ooh cool
11:29.16pdrJenson: She was at the conference - JD has a thing for her
11:29.26Jensonpdr: oh...that aussie girl
11:29.31Jensonyeh JD told me about her
11:29.35JDslight out of my league methinks
11:30.03JDare you sure you aren't
11:30.14Leedshmm, who?
11:30.18Jensonnah im not
11:30.24Jensonthey just seem to be discovering me
11:30.34JDwell there you go then
11:30.37JDsit back and relax
11:30.47JDwy go to them if they come to you
11:30.51pdrare you single again Jenson?
11:31.02Jensonexactly...and why get in a serious relationship when you can just flirt
11:31.10Jensonpdr: have been for over a month darling
11:31.27Jensonme and Alex are still kinda together, but not
11:31.30pdrJenson: indeed, serious relationships are much less fun
11:32.14JDsleeping with the ex is much more fun
11:32.23JensonJD: exactly...
11:32.27pdrJD: totally
11:32.32JDme should be writing an essay right now
11:32.47JDbut as I'm still nursig a hangover I don;t feel like doing it
11:32.54JensonJD: nah, this is more fun
11:33.13JDwhat
11:33.21pdrI think it's all in the same vein - all about doing something when you shouldn't is always better
11:33.23JDgetting hot talking on irc
11:33.39JDLeeds: I think I missed the story there
11:33.53Jensonpdr: heh now thats always fun
11:34.05JensonLeeds: still annoyed babe
11:34.29LeedsJD: downloaded my Orange bill... it's got the full upgrade fee on it - I was told I'd get a credit to cover the upgrade fee... called them - apparently the guy I spoke to didn't have the authority to do that... his supervisor will call me on Monday
11:35.16JDLeeds: tbh it isn;t your problem
11:35.24JDit is their fsckup and they can fix it
11:35.38Leedsthe bill isn't due until the end of the month - I'm quite prepared to pay the rest and ignore the fee
11:35.56JensonOrange is quite good at fscking up
11:35.59JDmention the fact that you entered into a contract with their company and they have not kept to it
11:36.23JDsales of goods act and all that
11:36.29JDmention trading standards to
11:36.38Leedsoh - I have no doubt it'll get sorted in my favour...
11:36.38JDcos that is always good fun
11:36.45JDdo you want me to look things up?
11:36.56pdrJD: goods?
11:37.03Leedssince there's no chance I'd have taken the upgrade for 75 quid more
11:37.07Leedsgoods/services
11:37.40JDpdr: I'm confused
11:37.56Leedsif it comes to it - I'll send the phone back and cancel the line - which is what I was intending to do when they made me the upgrade offer
11:38.09JDwhat did you get as an upgrade?
11:38.33LeedsT610
11:38.35pdrJD: me too
11:40.16Leedspdr: what did you mean by "JD: goods?"
11:41.20pdrhe said "sales of goods" but i was under the impression that it was a service that you were talking about.  just being pedantic.  and incorrectly at that
11:41.38JDpdr: these sorts of things are covered by the Sales of Goods act(1979) as amended by Sale and Supply of Goods act (1994)
11:41.48Leedspdr: it's a phone... it'
11:41.50pdrok
11:41.50Leedsit's a good
11:42.17pdryeah, i gather that now - i'm half watching the cricket so not paying too much attention :-)
11:44.23JDthere is also Trade Descriptions Act 1968
11:46.19Leedsit's very simple... it's a verbal contract, made between me and the agent of a company - and another agent of the company is saying the contract isn't valid.  I had no reason to believe at the time that it was anything other than a good deal - it wasn't a stunning deal, so I had no suspicion that it wasn't valid
11:46.48JDLeeds: do you have any written documentation?
11:46.53Leedsno
11:46.59JDhmmm
11:47.20JDyou could get into a he said ... no he didn't argument
11:47.23Leedsonly thing I have is an invoice from them for the upgrade
11:47.35JDdoes that have a price on it?
11:47.55Leedsyes
11:48.03JDfor hte lower price?
11:48.08Leedsbut the upgrade fee and the payment for the phone are different
11:48.16JD?
11:49.14Leedsyou pay a certain (discounted) amount for the phone - which can be anything from 0 to a couple of hundred quid
11:49.38Leedsyou also pay an upgrade fee if you're within a certain period of your contract and/or if your monthly spend is below a certain level
11:50.24Leedsin order for me to get a discounted upgrade, I should have paid a 75 pound upgrade fee, over and above the discounted price of the phone - and I was told that, and told that I'd get a credit to cover the 75 quid.  The credit is mising
11:50.56JDso you paid hte full price and told that you would get some back
11:51.24LeedsI paid the quoted price for the phone
11:51.50LeedsI've been billed for the upgrade fee - which I was told would happen - but without the promised credit to cover it
11:52.29LeedsI haven't paid it yet, since the upgrade fee is an orange 'contract' fee - and therefore appears on my monthly bill, whereas the phone price is a 'sales' thing and is billed and charged separately
11:53.01JDso it was only verbal that you would get a credit
11:53.06Leedsyes
11:53.16Leedsbut it was only verbal that I'd get a phone and pay for it...
11:53.23JDand you weren't wired at the time?
11:53.35Leedsnope
11:53.50JDhmmm
11:54.27JDstill it isn;t your problem that he wasn't authorised to make the discount
11:54.38JDhe was an employee of the company
11:54.46JDwas it an orage shop or over the phone?
11:55.28Leedsthis was orange over the phone
11:55.30Leedsdirectly
11:55.44JDhmmm I would ask them for a transcript of the phone call
11:55.58JDthey tend to record these things
11:56.02Leedssure
11:56.10Leedsif they argue, that's what I'll do
11:56.17JDhow long ago was it
11:56.24Leeds18th July
11:56.27JDthey may claim that that call wasn't recorded
11:56.34JDso quite recent then
11:56.41JDI would od i soon anyway
11:56.54Leedsod i?
11:56.59Leedsdo it?
11:57.26JDyeah
11:58.14Leedsfor now, they have the benefit of my doubt... I'm expecting a call on Monday from someone to say "it was a cock-up, let's go halves" or something - to which I reply "let's go wholes... I'm not planning on paying it"
11:59.15JDagreed
11:59.28Leedsat least I'm anal enough to have downloaded the bill on the day it was published - maximum time to work it out
12:00.23Leedsor alternatively, plenty of time to cancel my automatic direct debit to make sure I don't pay it
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12:18.30zacharyafternoon
12:20.33pdrhi zach
12:21.12Leedswe're in the middle of an August heatwave, right?
12:22.04LeedsLive...  European... ski jumping... :-)
12:22.36Leedsah-ha!
12:22.37JDLeeds: on like real snow?
12:22.46Leedsdry-slope ski jumping :-)
12:23.12Leedshow surreal...
12:23.16JDthey could it in milton keynes :)
12:23.31Leedsfinishing on grass!
12:24.35JDthat is cos there is snow in milton keynes
12:24.56JDcome to milton keynes :)
12:25.08JDcome early next weekend and go
12:25.18Leedsthat's a possibilty...
12:25.29Leedsmaybe later in the year
12:25.30JDyou can get a bus to bletchley form MK
12:25.37JDyou can't miss the snow place
12:25.45JDit is the biggest blot on the landscape
12:25.52Leedsis there a website? or a name, so I can google it?
12:26.00JDxscape
12:26.19JDstrange man
12:26.31Leedspdr: long way to go to ski
12:26.37pdrindeed
12:26.59Leedsooh... there's one opening in Castleford
12:27.10pdrapparently the first ever ski school was in Australia
12:28.12LeedsJD: it looks like a fun place...
12:29.24JDLeeds: but that is a bit of a trek from London :)
12:29.43Leedsa lot closer than Threadbo...
12:29.46JDon the way to ukuug
12:31.38Leedspossibly...
12:31.47Leedsdoes mean getting up and going a lot earlier...
12:32.14Leedsanyway - MK isn't that far away for me, in the sense that it's just straight up the M1
12:33.00Leedspdr: I found AU$45 this morning... when are you going? :-)
12:33.33JDwow 15GBP
12:33.56Leedsbetter to get rid of it to pdr than to a bank/travel place
12:34.14JDyeah
12:34.42LeedsI also have 1000 Baht
12:34.45JDhmm breakfast
12:35.01JDwow 16GBP
12:35.05Leedsindeed
12:35.38LeedsI wonder how different the aerodynamics are flying over a dry slope vs. real snow...
12:35.43JDdo yo ucollect about 15GBP in lots of currencies?
12:36.00LeedsI've got about 5GBP in Euro and US$, I think
12:36.27pdrLeeds: On Wednesday
12:36.29Leedsand I've got a few pesetas somewhere as well
12:36.33JDI don;t think I had any baht or AUD left
12:36.38Leedspdr: that's no good then...
12:36.58JDyou could mail it
12:37.15Leedswhat, cash in the mail??? :-)
12:37.22JDyeah
12:37.26Leedspdr: do you want/need some AU$ cash/change?
12:38.12pdryeah ok
12:38.40pdrhow can we do the transfer?
12:39.03Leedsmail, probably
12:39.49JDyou relly are not paying attension are you?
12:41.34LeedsI also appear to have $7 in coins...
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12:48.51pdrjd: who me?
12:50.40pdrl8r all
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13:19.17JDhttp://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/cvsanal/kde-cvs/gnuplot/evolution/LOCs_in_time_for_kdelibs.png
13:19.21JDinteresting
13:41.03LeedsJD: ping
13:41.21JDpong
13:41.49Leedswhich camera do you have?
13:42.01JDOptio S
13:42.06Leedsmake?
13:42.08JDexcept is is fscked
13:42.10JDPentax
13:42.11JDsorry
13:42.12Leedstalking to my sister about cameras
13:42.46Leedsapart from that, any good?
13:42.56JDyeah it was great
13:43.03JDexcept it had a long bootup time
13:43.26JDa good few seconds
13:45.08gregjLeeds: :-)
13:46.17JDhi dave
13:46.21ClyphoxHi
13:47.54Leedsonce it's on it's quick enough, right?  doesn't take a while to save or anything?
13:48.01Leeds(she likes the look of it)
13:48.04Leedshey gregj, Clyphox
13:48.12ClyphoxHeya Leeds  :-)
13:48.28JDa couple of seconds
13:48.52Leedsso you can't just click click click?
13:49.00JDdon't know
13:49.16JDand I can't test it now either
13:52.55TarragonNever, I repeat never trust a woman!
13:53.19Jenson|AWayTarragon: heh
13:53.21Leedsit's nearly 3pm and I've done nothing today except spend 45 minutes advising my sister on digital camera
13:53.30TarragonBought children bigger better water pistols. Alison has just drenched me
13:53.31LeedsTarragon: anything particular you want to explain?
13:53.52Leedshmm... where's the webcam again? :-)
13:54.25TarragonWater everywhere. Keyboards are waterproof anrn't they?
13:54.39LeedsI trust Josette... my book turned up yesterday (last night while I was out as far as I can tell...)
13:54.50Jenson|AWayTarragon: i dont tend to water mine
13:54.59Jenson|AWaymy phone is fscked after 2 drops of rain got on it
13:55.03Jenson|AWayits acting real weird
13:55.12Leedswater might be okay... beer/cola/coffee/sweat? maybe not
13:56.09Leedsno longer live
13:56.16JDchannel?
13:56.40LeedsEurosport - where else?
13:56.42JDthat looks like a bike to me
13:57.05LeedsI did say no longer live
13:57.20Leedsalthough the TiVo is still recording...
13:57.37JDI was expecting recorded skiing
13:57.46Jenson|AWayAlex is looking at the cheeky girls bums lol
13:57.53Leedsyes... the TiVo has confused bikes with skis... silly TiVo
13:58.13Leedsthere *was* skiing on - I'm watching it about 70 minutes time-shifted
13:58.34TarragonSee sensible girl would have given children water pistols and come inside. Not set up hosepipe gun
13:59.05JDavril lavigne diary :(
13:59.21Leedsugh
13:59.52JDmtv
14:00.00Leedsthere's been an API change in 2.6.0test3 for block devices??? isn't it a bit late for that?
14:00.12JDnah
14:00.21JDnever too late for anything
14:00.25Jenson|AWayi really am going now
14:00.26Jenson|AWayseeya
14:02.23Leedssince when has Africa been a country?
14:02.38JD?
14:02.43Clyphox?
14:02.57Clyphoxbloody big country if I don't say..
14:03.00JDsince americans opened their mouth
14:03.27Leedsnah - Eurosport.com
14:08.02JDgod this is crap
14:41.18gregjLeeds: who cares ? there are not too many drivers for 2.6 finished now
14:43.19gregjLeeds: i am looking forward to test new swswap thing
14:43.39gregjLeeds: becouse there were many changes for it
14:46.17JDany wlan users here?
14:46.25gregjme
14:46.35gregjif you are talking about wireless
14:47.20gregj:-)
14:48.02gregjhello!
14:48.08gregjanyone see me here ?
14:53.14irvined_nope
14:53.15irvined_no sign of you gregj
14:53.44LeedsJD: yes
14:55.06JDLeeds: what is a decent SNR?
14:55.55Leedsdunno...
14:56.01Leedswhich figure is that?
14:56.10Leedscat /proc/net/wireless | grep wlan0
14:56.10Leeds<PROTECTED>
14:56.35Leedsis the noise value snr?
14:56.37JDnot sure
14:56.42JDlooking at wavemon
14:57.04Leedsdunno wavemon
14:57.04JDdavid-laptop david% cat /proc/net/wireless | grep eth2
14:57.05JD<PROTECTED>
14:57.12Leedshmm..
14:57.59JDlooks like the 177
15:00.00Leedsso is 203 better than 177?
15:00.12JDreally not sure
15:00.21Leedswhy not?
15:00.40JDcos I would have throught a lower number would be better
15:01.06Leedswell... it could be level out of 255 or something
15:05.51JDwhere is everyone?
15:05.59JDat this rate I will have to do my essay
15:06.01Leedsnorth London
15:06.05Leedswhere are you?
15:06.11JDnorht of london
15:22.08Leedsand you're bored?
15:22.29JDyeah
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15:22.38Leedsor boring?
15:22.38JDand fantastically hot
15:22.46JDprobably both
15:22.50Leedspaul will solve all our problems!!! :-)
15:22.51JDhi paul
15:22.55cupishey ho
15:22.59JDyey for cupis
15:23.09Leedscupis: can you make us cool and interesting?
15:23.19cupiserr...
15:23.30JDcool as in not hot rather than cool as in not sad losers
15:23.41Leedsoh... and slim would be nice...
15:23.58JDyeah and richer beyond our wildest dreams
15:25.30JDtoo hot for everything
15:25.54Leedshmm... swimming
15:27.37JDhow do you set up a laptop and a desktop with one userdb
15:28.06JDso that you can use hte laptop remotely and still have the shared db when connected to the network
15:28.14JDand do not say rsync
15:28.53Leedsldap with failover?
15:32.49JDwill openldap do replication?
15:33.11JDhmmm I could have a master slapd and replicate it out to each host
15:33.13JDhmmmm
15:34.47JDokay that takes care of authentication
15:35.25JDwhat about homedir
15:35.34cupisJD: CVS
15:36.13JDeeck
15:36.42JDah of course slurpd
15:37.55JDgo get some food thne
15:38.54Leedsthat means moving and stuff... but the car has aircon!
15:39.04Leedshmm... clothes
15:39.57JDknow the feeling
15:44.02JDbye
15:47.14JDanyone use ldap here?
15:47.20JDcupis: how are you?
15:47.31cupisFine thanks. You?
15:47.38cupisHow's your CV writing going?
15:49.33JDslowly
15:50.01JDso have you started interviewing?
15:50.10cupisYes.
15:50.18JDany one good yet?
15:51.32cupisJD: -> /query
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16:20.55Leedsdarn
16:21.09stephanbits too hot
16:21.22stephanbLeeds: sabbath shalom
16:21.23Leedsduh
16:21.31Leedshey :-)
16:21.41Leedscupis: far too mature of you
16:21.59cupisLeeds: :)
16:22.07cupisI'm old before my time.
16:23.22stephanbLeeds: there is probably something with hygrometry as well
16:23.32Leedssure
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16:24.55LeedsIn the old smoke saunas the temperature varied from about 50 to 75?C (122 to 167?F). The lower the temperature the more water was generally used and the more humid was the resulting heat. A higher temperature with less humidity was considered better. By today?s standards these temperatures seem rather low. The recommendation now is 80-90?C (176-194?F) with moderate humidity, but in many saunas today the temperature exceeds 100?C (212?F), a
16:24.55Leedst least at the beginning. When a traditional wood burning sauna is heated for many people, the temperature must be high at first or otherwise the last bathers would not have enough heat left.
16:25.36LeedsThe maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the
16:25.36LeedsUnited States is 90 celcius (194 farenheit).
16:25.41Leedsand so on
16:26.29JDthanks sauna boy
16:26.48stephanbLeeds: london 35C / 95F, RH 34%, 1017 HPa,  (bbc)
16:27.24Leedsmy room: 37C 51%
16:28.27stephanbmy room 33C, i shouldnt complain
16:28.34stephanbalthough i'm sweating
16:32.41stephanbbbl
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16:34.43Leeds10 print "Dixons Sucks!"
16:34.46Leeds20 goto 10
16:35.03JDStrong experience programming in C++, Perl, Python, Shell
16:35.04JD<PROTECTED>
16:35.04JD<PROTECTED>
16:37.35JDanything else?
16:38.15Leedssed,awk?
16:38.21JDhmmm not really
16:38.21Leedsregex?
16:38.28JDooh yeah
16:38.43Leedsno Java?  I'm disappointed
16:39.01JDjava stinks
16:39.18Leedsonly if you don't like the smell of coffee
16:40.33JDthe only good thing about Java that I have found it its IO
16:47.27JDgit
16:47.31JDgive me one
16:47.48Leedsbit far mate...
16:47.59LeedsI went to M&S...
16:48.03JDget in your car and drive
16:48.35Leedsum...
16:48.54Leedsalternatively I could do something vaguely worthwhile with my afternoon
16:49.09Leedsgoing over to the park soonish... wait for the sun to get lower
16:49.17Leedsmmm... banana
16:49.24Jensonpark good idea
16:59.52JDcan people look at http://davidpashley.com/resume.html and tell me what they think?
17:00.06JDpart of it is still soemone elses
17:01.36Jensonit says XML parsing error
17:01.55JDget a better browser?
17:02.08Jensonits Mozilla
17:02.33Jensonooh, works with IE
17:03.33Jensonywh looks nice
17:03.50JDanyone else comment?
17:04.12JDor at least comment
17:06.10JensonAlex says he's too busy looking for his book.
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17:09.41cupis<JD> get a better browser?
17:09.54cupisJD: get a better/correct XML generator.
17:10.55JDcupis: when I work out what it is I will file a bug
17:11.15cupisIt is not closing <META> tags properly, at least.
17:12.04cupisWhat software is it?
17:12.19Jensonit says
17:12.35Jensonignore that lol
17:12.38Jensonbloodsy windoiwa
17:12.40Jensonwindows
17:13.49JDcupis: xsltproc
17:15.28JDhmmm not sure where that is coming form
17:15.40Leedsthe freezer
17:19.00JDgrrr bloody xslt
17:19.14JDwhy does it never output valid html
17:20.06cupisJD: it does output proper html. But it thinks it is outputing valid XHTML, when it clearly is not.
17:36.10JDhmmm why is the output not the same as the stylesheets
17:38.11JDgrrr
17:38.15JDokay shower time
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18:22.23JDhi
18:46.01Leedsibot google for pathetic clown
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20:41.51Leedsall the *surfaces* are hot
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20:50.07Leedsanyone awake?
20:52.17stephanbyep
20:52.32stephanbin liquid phase though
20:52.41stephanbwatching seinfeld
20:53.04Leedsliquid phase sounds good...
20:53.34stephanbfrom theoutside, but it's not so pleasant from the inside
20:53.35Leedsbut I'm not sure alcohol is a good idea in this weather
20:54.41LeedsI've been out to the park across the road... many Israeli families... very surreal
20:54.44stephanboh i wasnt alluding to that
20:54.59stephanbthat = alcohol
20:55.10Leedsso what did you mean?
20:55.28stephanbthat it's so hot, i'm melting
20:55.43Leedsah
20:55.50LeedsI'm just covered in liquid
21:14.08Xiaoqihi all
21:14.42Leedsmorning
21:14.55Xiaoqi:)
21:15.22Leedsis it spine-meltingly hot up there as well?
21:15.37Xiaoqihehe, just about
21:19.21stephanbXiaoqi: car boot sale :-o
21:19.47stephanblooking for IBM model M keyboards hmmmmmmmm ?
21:20.17Xiaoqierm, no... trying to get rid of a load of useless junk for a profit
21:20.36LeedsI could do with a spare boot for my car...
21:20.45stephanboic
21:20.55XiaoqiLeeds: :P
21:21.48stephanbLeeds:  to put your mp3 server in your boot next to the amplifiers and the subwoofer
21:25.51Leedsnah... although I do quite fancy one of those short-range FM thingies
21:26.17Leedsyou know... the illegal ones
21:30.27stephanb"women go after doctors like men go after models"
21:30.47stephanb"they want someone with a great knowledge of the body..."
21:30.55stephanb"we just want the body"
21:31.01stephanb(Jerry Seinfeld)
21:31.19stephanbLeeds: the doodas that plug on an iPod ?
21:31.33Leedsyes
21:32.03Leedsbut for an iPAQ, not an iPod
21:33.27stephanboic you're not part of the Apple caste /elite /snobbery game
21:33.50Leedswell... they make good hardware and (recently) good software... but they charge far far too much
21:34.06stephanbgucci computers
21:34.37Leedsright
21:43.11stephanbthere are rumours on the reg of apple and sun getting in partnership
21:43.37stephanbthe elitist club of unix vertical integration
21:44.48stephanbactually the article casts a good critique of the wintel business model
21:45.27stephanbhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32219.html
21:47.11LeedsI read it...
21:47.13Leedsno comment...
21:48.14stephanbwell i like the first part. How basically the stock exchange likes companies that make computers and software that doesnt really work
21:49.18nasratLeeds: you don't wish to comment or you can't :)
21:51.11stephanbmurble: where is that ? slovakia ?
21:51.35murbleslovakia yes, google for http://lwb2003
21:52.35murbles/lwb/lbw/
21:52.56Leedsnasrat: I have nothing to say :-)
21:53.22stephanbLinuxový Pivný Put'ák
21:53.42murblehad fun with the train.
21:54.12stephanbmurble: whats the temperature over there
21:57.57Leedsit's hot, damn hot!
21:58.28murblenot here it isn't.
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