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00:00.02LeedsCope_: yes, that's the sane way to use dhcp on a fixed network
00:00.14new2unixCope_ yeah i know, but this is on my adsl router. the configuration is a little different to as it is in the man pages. :)
00:00.30LeedsI use it for my iPAQ, so when I roam to a real dynamic network I don't need to change things...
00:00.51new2unixCope_: its the vigor2600we
00:01.01Leedsah, vigor
00:01.06Cope_Leeds: Current thinking is to cycle to you, change into sensible clothes.  What time should I aim to be there?
00:01.09Leedsgoes along with vim :-)
00:01.19LeedsCope_: you want to change here?
00:01.24Cope_Yes please
00:01.28Leedshmm...
00:02.16Leedsokay... you want to aim to be here at about 10:45 - unless you want to come Jewish-picnic-food and petrol shopping with me first :-)
00:02.38new2unixperhaps i should dedicate a box to do proper firewalling, NATing, and dhcp too. I like the Vigor but its not giving me peace of mind.
00:03.03Leedsnew2unix: that's what I do - even though I've just got a dedicated ADSL router box for that
00:03.21Cope_new2unix - yeah  you can pick up a suitable box for peanuts - I saw a p90 for 15 quid the other day, including 1 NIC
00:03.22LeedsI set it up so my PC is still the 'router'
00:03.58Leedsah...
00:04.26new2unixperhaps i could buy an Xbox and use it as a router/firewall/dhcp server etc.
00:04.51Cope_new2unix - I doubt you can get 2 x nic cards in an xbox
00:04.56new2unixi need something small and inexpensive. have no room in my room for yet another box. :(
00:05.07LeedsCope_: usb nics
00:05.12new2unixCope_:  one external, perhaps?
00:06.14Cope_Oooh - Sophie says she is maybe feeling well enough to come!!
00:06.20Leedscool
00:06.34Leedsshe has about 9 hours to make her mind up :-)
00:06.42Cope_Well, I'll cal you at say 10am?
00:06.50Leedsyeah, okay
00:07.33Leedsbut no later
00:08.10new2unixjust found out that the vigor uses ipf as its firewall. Does that mean that it prolly uses *BSD as its OS?
00:08.11Cope_I can do earlier - I have a client meeting me at home 1st thing and then I/we are heading off.
00:08.49dankolbnew2unix: Probably.
00:08.56Leedsnew2unix: not necessarily... mine uses vxWorks, but advertises that it has 'BSD firewalling' - I think ipf is pretty portable
00:09.15Cope_Plus I need to do humanist_vegetarian/chinese-picnic shopping.
00:11.05Leedsright
00:11.31LeedsMSN maps is screwed, mapquest is screwed, yahoo maps is unhealthy... and Michelin doesn't give detailed directions, as far as I can see
00:11.54dankolbdo you have a Dead-tree roadmap?
00:12.14Leedsno
00:12.37LeedsI have/had a greater London A-Z which goes out as far as Watford... but it's been in my other car since January
00:13.24Cope_multimap?
00:13.34LeedsI'm there now :-)
00:15.06Leedstransgaming or traditional?
00:15.41Cope_But I have no wine glasses, so I'm drinking a 2000 Californian Pinot Noir (yum) out of a china tea cup.
00:15.56Leedsargh
00:16.30Leedsor is there a diabolical conspiracy which is shutting down mapping websites just as I get there?
00:17.19Leedsdtm?
00:17.41Cope_Dead Tree Map :-)
00:17.49Leedsah :-)
00:19.02Cope_Ummm - dude  - its like M1 to MK then follow the signs to Bletchley.
00:19.33dankolbRight, well, I'm off to bed.
00:19.35dankolb'night night all.
00:19.39Leedsif you're happy to navigate and be responsible if we get lost, fine... but I don't like driving in towns I don't know
00:19.43Leedsnight dan
00:19.52dankolbC'ya tomorrow, hopefully :)
00:19.56Cope_I'm fine navigating :-)
00:20.06Cope_See you tomorrow, dan
00:20.25dankolbI should be there just after 12 - it's about an hour's drive from here.
00:20.31Leedsheh, the Michelin page is suggesting I "cliquez ici"
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00:20.58Leedsdankolb: I think it's similar from here, but I don't know
00:21.01Cope_Woo new4unix
00:21.06dankolbAnyone got a phone number I can take and call, if I don't manage to see you at the park entrance?
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00:22.49dankolbTime for bed. Boinggggg!
00:22.57Cope_Hmm.. my server says tcp/ip is not installed... had an accident last night when whole server cupboard got disconnected of power.
00:22.57new2unix-night dankolb
00:23.24LeedsCope_: that could be a problem...
00:23.28Cope_Just trying to restart networking, with no luck.
00:24.17Leedswhat OS is this???
00:24.54Cope_Linux 2.4.20 on a Duron 900 :-)
00:25.19Leedsand it's telling you tcp/ip isn't installed?
00:25.27Leedswhat's the actual error?
00:25.56Cope_Well... using the netconfig script
00:26.04Leedsbah
00:26.49Cope_After trying to allocate ip dynamically it says 'skipping most of the config process' - I do not seem to have TCP/IP installed
00:27.36Cope_First thing I did was check modules and ifconfig
00:27.55Cope_eth0 was down - put it up manually and tried dhcpd eth0
00:27.58Cope_No luck
00:28.21Cope_So I tried the old netconfig script, and it said that.
00:32.31new2unixCope_:  you still there?
00:33.04Cope_Yep yep
00:34.37new2unixok. just checking. you didnt finish your statement.
00:37.31Cope_Oh?
00:38.05Leedsstrange strange stuff on the radio
00:41.25Leedsit's in the Dumb & Dumber case, obviously
00:53.23JDobviously
00:53.30JDwhere else would you store it?
00:54.41Cope_Hi JD
00:55.05Leedswell...
00:55.09Leedsthere is a Shrek case...
00:58.54LeedsJD: so, having fun?
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01:02.11new2unixfolks: Grace used to be .11  The dhcp assined that ip to another box so grace is now unreacheable. apart from walking over to her and sticking a monitor up her butt how else can i contact her?
01:02.24Leedshey highbury
01:02.43Leedsnew2unix: are you sure that Grace doesn't have an IP? use arp to find out
01:03.04new2unixarp shows nothing for grace. not even her mac.
01:03.44new2unixinfact all i'm after is her mac addy. but i dont want to go over to her to get it. any clues?
01:05.28Leedsnothing in particular
01:06.43Leeds"Matter cannot be created or destroyed,
01:06.44Leedsnor can it be returned without a receipt."
01:08.11new2unixLeeds: R U ok?
01:08.20new2unixwhats with the physics 101?
01:08.25Leedsnew2unix: it's a fortune...
01:11.57Jenson|Awaynight a;;
01:13.03new2unixJenson|Away: where have you been little lady?
01:13.14new2unixits gone past 2am.
01:13.56Leeds"he huffed and he puffed and he... signed the eviction orders"
01:15.13new2unix"he huffed and he puffed and he... payed the BBC TV liscence fee"
01:16.18Leedsnot quite... DVD :-)
02:02.31JDhi all
02:09.15Leedsright...
02:09.30LeedsI've added BBC news headlines to my WAP portal...
02:09.33Leedstime for bed, I think
02:09.44eye69Good idea
02:09.53eye69Should probably do the same thing
02:10.25Leedsit currently has the BBC news, new/total mail count, weather for Hendon (home) and Sun stock price...
02:10.46eye69Nice
02:10.58eye69I just got this BGP setup working properlyh
02:11.00eye69-h
02:11.04Leedsthe only one which doesn't present the data on the front page is the weather...
02:11.46Leedsit gives the three headlines on the front page, as links to the BBC WAP versions, or you can click the News heading to get the current 9 headlines (with descriptions in a deck) and links through
02:12.05Leedsthe weather just links to the BBC weather WAP page for that location...
02:12.06eye69Been busy
02:12.43Leedsthe stock stuff - isn't done yet... but it will provide the current and change today on the front page, with a link through to a more complete page for each stock - maybe in a deck, maybe not
02:13.00Leedsand the mail totals link through to an existing IMAP WAP mail reader I've got setup :-)
02:13.28LeedsI always said that once WAP got affordable - and the devices got usable - I'd setup my own services... :-)
02:14.07LeedsI'm not sure what else it needs, actually...
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07:45.49JDhi
07:47.04Cope_Moin
07:47.24Leedsboker tov kulam
07:48.33Leeds?
07:49.21Leedsno sleep? too much beer?  too much time spent around Debian people? :-)
07:51.26JDtoo little sleep
07:52.02JDhad about 4 hours interrupted slepp
07:52.50Leedsme too
08:06.55gregjLeeds: hi
08:07.25Leedsgregj: what do *you* want?
08:08.00gregj08:47 < Leeds> boker tov kulam
08:08.01Leedswhoa
08:08.03gregj?
08:08.36Leedsearly night
08:08.39gregjnewforest, lymington, milford.......
08:08.49gregjso i was a bit tired :]
08:09.27gregji had to use south west trains for the first time, and they were always late .......
08:09.36gregjthis is insane
08:09.38Leedswelcome to the UK
08:09.57gregjtrains are slower (and older) in poland,but are on time
08:10.10gregjeven if they are late, it is like 30-1h at least :]
08:10.58gregjbut that is in case something really happends
08:11.21gregjLeeds: i got your message , with number. thanks
08:11.41Leedsgood
08:11.59gregjso i own you 7 quids :]
08:12.14Leedseys
08:12.16Leedsyes
08:12.30Leedsexcept it's 7 quid, not quids
08:12.44gregj08:47 < Leeds> boker tov kulam
08:12.53Leedsgregj: stop saying that'
08:12.57gregjwhy ? its plural
08:13.10Leeds?
08:13.15gregjsorry, i touched middle button by mistake
08:13.35gregj7 - more than one, string.append("s");
08:13.50Leedsbecause quid doesn't become plural
08:14.11gregji see, exception
08:14.19Leedsit's slang
08:14.29Leedsdoesn't need to follow the rules of the language
08:14.38Leedsanyway - ever heard of sheeps?
08:14.49gregjyes
08:14.51gregj:-)
08:16.12gregjaccording to dictionary: quid - pound stherling (or whatever spelling is)
08:16.39gregjor, in bussines dict. - quid or quids - pound, pounds
08:16.42gregj:>
08:17.02gregjthe only rule is ....
08:17.03Leedsfuck the dictionary
08:17.07gregj... there are no rules
08:17.10LeedsI told you it's slang
08:17.31gregjaye aye sir
08:19.18gregji told my self - no coding this weekend, but i cannot resist
08:19.26gregji have to do few things :>
08:19.29Leedslisten
08:19.39Leedsif you want to listen to the dictionary, that's fine
08:19.48Leedsif you want to speak/write English - that's different
08:19.59gregjlisten
08:20.07gregji am not saying, you are wrong
08:20.31gregji like to check words in dict.
08:20.48gregjespecially, when 1 words == 10 meanings
08:20.49gregj:
08:20.49gregj:/
08:20.53Leedsyou can check for meaning - but if I differ from the dictionary, it's likely that I'm correct
08:21.03Leedsparticularly depending on which dictionary you've got
08:21.33gregjslowniki.onet.pl
08:21.39gregj:]
08:21.59gregjthis is good dict, because they are looking in few dicts at the same time for one word
08:22.07Leedsah
08:22.12gregjand sometimes i am getting slightly different resoults
08:22.21Leedsyou trust a Polish dictionary to tell you how English works?
08:22.43gregjword trust is bad here
08:23.20gregjone thing is different sometimes, depending on source of information
08:23.28gregjso it is good to have at least two sources :]
08:25.16gregjbut yes, i belive you are right more than dict
08:25.25gregjyou are english, whatsoever
08:29.02dankolbMornin'
08:29.42gregjmorning
08:31.52gregjLeeds: 100 years is a century , how is 1/4 century ?
08:32.04gregjdankolb: cwierc wieku ? jak to bedzie po angielsku
08:32.14dankolb25 years.
08:32.21dankolbOr 1/4 century :)
08:32.23gregjsure, but in one word
08:32.34gregjor two words, no numbers :]
08:32.44dankolbQuarter century :)
08:32.47gregjsomething similar to pl
08:32.51gregjoh, thats better :]
08:32.52gregjthx
08:35.23dankolbnp
08:35.47gregjbedziesz dzisiaj ?
08:36.13dankolbTak.
08:36.27gregjspoko, tak przy okazji to sa moje 25 urodziny dzis :]
08:36.38dankolbSto lat!
08:36.47gregjdzieki :]
08:40.28gregjhehe, Basra Airport will be operated by 6 airlines, including polish LOT
08:40.55gregjSAS, quatar air, gulf air,  royal jordanian and emirates
08:41.01dankolbCool :)
08:41.07dankolbUS airlines not daring?
08:41.23gregjUS Air Force, military - is already there
08:41.26gregjthats enough :]
08:42.17Leedsno El Al, strangely
08:42.35gregjits probably because we have 1/3 of this country now under jurisdiction
08:42.56gregjand some families want to go there
08:43.24gregjanyway, people still want this place to be more calm before they will start any investments
08:43.36gregji don't know how about brits and americans
09:02.09gregjLeeds: 11 oclock
09:42.33Xiaoqimorning all
09:42.58JDhi
09:43.36Leedshi
09:45.09Leedshave a good day - whereever you are :-)
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10:21.56JDphillip hazel just turned up and dropped off 2 copies of his book
10:48.10irvinedMorning all.
10:51.53JDhi
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13:09.46formihello
13:10.36formiit has to do with adding users and passwords
13:11.13formianyone?
13:14.38cupisnot unless you tell us what the problem is. :)
13:14.59formibasically im setting up a machine for backups
13:15.16formiand I need the same passwords on both
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13:16.22cupisWhy do you need the same passwords? Is the backup box intended as machine to be brought live to replace a failure of the primary box?
13:16.38formii tried using the pre-encrypted password option in webmin but no luck
13:16.48formiyes more or less
13:17.11resuDaed_can anyone recommend a piece of software that will allow me to share (IP Masq) internet on Windoze Xtra Pants
13:18.05cupisresuDaed_: which machine has connectivity, the XP box? XP comes with connection sharing - check out the network connections properties.
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13:18.11formithere is internet sharing and that is that
13:18.51formiresuDaed_: how is my half-ex laptop?
13:19.02resuDaed_cupis : but internet is provided thru AOL, and the internet connection is a WAN (PPP/SLIP) type jobbie that doesn't appear as a std networking interface
13:19.04zacharyAh the couldn't make BP group. Good afternoon! Hi formi
13:19.20formihi zach
13:19.37cupisresuDaed_: can you not setup a standard PPP connection to AOL?
13:19.59formicupis: aol is a total bitch
13:20.01resuDaed_b/band, don't know aols connection stuff
13:20.09resuDaed_formi : agreed
13:20.54formiresuDaed_: did you read the eua?
13:21.14resuDaed_what does that say - don't be clever ?
13:21.40formiprobably you are supposed to connect only one machine
13:22.16resuDaed_just wondering if anyone knows a proxy that can do all ports
13:22.24formiand knowing the stupid nat winblows uses it is probably very easy for aol to avoid you using more than 1 machine
13:22.52cupisresuDaed_: can windows see the modem? you could try manually configuring it. Don't know if you will lose AOL's valued-addeds stuff, though.
13:23.32resuDaed_that stuff isn't used, but no, the modem doesn't appear under any settings I know of
13:23.41cupisresuDaed_: the only one I know of is winproxy
13:24.09cupisresuDaed_: not even as a network adapter in the system control panel?
13:24.37resuDaed_cupis : nope
13:24.43highburyafternoon
13:24.54zacharyresuDaed_: you can use Proxyi from analogx.com. Simple but limited proxy but works with aol.
13:25.09resuDaed_zachary : but need non standard ports
13:25.18zacharyafternoon highbury
13:25.33highburyformi: what's your password problem?
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15:43.01netuahboo!
15:43.40netuahgreets from BP
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15:54.15Jensonwhy the hell is the readiator on ffs
15:57.58sashTo stop spelling mistakes? Boom boom.
15:58.35Jensonlol
16:12.08JDhi
16:13.16irvinedhows it going?
16:13.55JDnot too bad
16:14.00JDjust driven back from cambridge
16:52.29Xiaoqihi
16:59.50JDhi
17:00.43JDdamn does Claire Danes look old and haggared
17:01.02JDshe is only 23, but she looked nearer 30
17:14.27irvinedyeah
17:14.30irvinedbut she was still quite cute
17:14.33irvinedwhat did you think of it?
17:16.02JDno she doesn't look cute
17:16.09JDwhe was cute in my so called life
17:16.19JDand romeo and juliet
17:24.46irvinedyes she was very cute then
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18:05.55dankolbYah booh.
18:06.26Xiaoqidankolb: hihihi
18:06.26JDhi
18:10.18JDbite my shiny metal arse
18:13.41Xiaoqilol
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18:24.14dankolbHi Leeds
18:24.20Leedsevening
18:24.30Leedsweren't you going to the pub? :-)
18:24.48dankolbI will do later. After food.
18:25.55Leedsah yes, food
18:55.47dankolbFoodtime!
18:56.44JensonLeeds: how was Bletchley?
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19:44.59Xiaoqihi
19:45.11CopeWoo! Life!
19:45.36Xiaoqihuh?
19:45.46CopeIts been a bit quiet
19:45.54CopeHiya Jenson
19:48.25eye69dankolb: The Sting? Sure, got it.
19:59.51JDhi
19:59.58Xiaoqihi JD
20:00.54JDhi nikki
20:01.03Xiaoqihow goes it?
20:01.19Xiaoqiaww
20:01.21Xiaoqiwhy?
20:01.31Xiaoqihehehe
20:02.03CopeHi JD
20:02.49Xiaoqihi Cope
20:03.10Xiaoqi:)
20:04.36Xiaoqiaww, thats not good :(
20:05.09JDit will pass I'm sure
20:05.16Xiaoqihope so
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20:11.23zacharywb Tarragon
20:11.24JDhmmm Would like to meet - bbc3
20:11.36JDexperts help sad lowers to date :)
20:12.00TarragonJust walked in from the BP picnic
20:12.15zacharyHow was BP?
20:12.34TarragonWonderful weather and company.
20:12.45JDlots of people?
20:12.50zacharyphotos?
20:13.37TarragonSome photos yes. About 20 people in the end, although I guess we will never really know. Surrey group arrived early
20:14.21TarragonEven the Birmingham group arrived early
20:15.14JDwas Leeds happy with the day?
20:16.51TarragonYes I think so. He should be as I thought it was a success
20:19.28JDhe didn;t seem entirely happy before hand
20:22.18TarragonThat could be because some preferred to go to a party instead :-)
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20:23.24JDTarragon: I know, but I think I explained why I was going
20:23.32JDJenson|Away: but then you are just sad
20:24.44TarragonThere were a few Debian people at BP
20:25.00JDlike?
20:25.57TarragonNext time we need a little more organising. I was OK taking the drink and birthday cake but if we had known how many were turning up I could have brought all the food for everyone.
20:26.19TarragonDidn't know all the names.
20:26.36TarragonI was in a Debian shirt to show willing.
20:27.36zacharyName tags, with affiliated lug?
20:29.52Xiaoqinn all
20:30.00zacharynight Xiaoqi
20:30.03Tarragonnight
20:30.05CopeHi all
20:30.11TarragonHi Cope
20:30.31CopeA guy from sblug was in a debian tshirt too
20:30.42Copesb == south birmingham
20:30.51JDnight nikki
20:31.32TarragonHe was called John
20:31.50JDI would imagine that there were no debian developers
20:32.31JDassuming it is working
20:33.36JDJohn Lines or John Travers
20:33.40TarragonNo I guess no Deb developers did show.
20:33.42JDnot sure where they linve
20:34.03CopeJD> Was the birthday party good?
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20:34.45JDyea it was good
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20:34.49JDlots of food
20:35.11CopeGreat
20:36.12CopeI enjoyed BP but wished I had more time - I just started a holiday (first for a year) and as soon as I start to unwind, tiredness hits me!
20:36.25JDthere was about 50 people trying to fit in Steve's house
20:36.27CopeSophie and I spent most of the afternoon asleep under a tree!
20:41.50TarragonDid she wake up for the fly past?
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20:48.09JDthere was  flypast :)
20:48.36TarragonDakota, Spitfire and Hurricane
20:49.07TarragonTo celebrate Gregj and Diana's birthday of course
20:49.27CopeTarragon> Yeah - the siren woke and scared her!
20:50.44zacharysee ya in the moin, gnight
20:50.49Copenn
20:52.11CopeThe joy of living in he Heathrow Flight Path
20:52.30CopeStill - felt at home at BP with low-flying aircraft.
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21:07.17Cope|SleepNight all
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21:11.29stanis GllugWiki down ?
21:17.44Leedsuh...
21:17.46Leedsyeah, possibly
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21:37.51new2unixdankolb: you up still?
21:44.41dankolbHi new2unix
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22:52.13dankolbCan't sleep?
22:53.17Leedswho?
22:53.22dankolbnew2
22:53.33dankolbHe said he was going to bed some time ago
22:54.49Leedsah
23:01.00dankolb'night all
23:01.46Leedsg'night
23:07.33new2unixsorry baout that.
23:08.03new2unixam _really_ going to bed now. I think ive sorted it now. Thanks all. :)

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