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05:09.29new2unixmoin all
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05:58.40zacharymoin
06:58.14highburymorning
08:21.46JDhi
08:21.57zacharymoin JD
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09:28.17zacharymoin Tarragon
09:28.40TarragonMoin
09:29.23axelSgood morning everybody :)
09:29.49nasratmorning all
09:40.19axelShmm... any idea why wine would give: wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger... ?
09:40.40axelSi've looked through the wine.conf but can't find anything obvious
09:48.42Xiaoqimorning all
09:48.51TarragonI am having problems with these rotten viruses. I don't mind idiots sending them to me. I only run Linux. What does bother me is the Mail delivery failed messages.
09:48.56TarragonThese are sent back from another Linux users exim box. They have a return path and from address of 1234567.890.john@my email address. What can I do about it?
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10:35.40JDTarragon: fuck all I'm afriad
10:35.57JDTarragon: I have resorted to throwing away empty return paths
10:44.19dankolbMoin
10:46.50nasrathey dankolb
10:46.59dankolbello
10:48.05nasrathow goes?
10:48.34dankolbSlowly.
10:48.57dankolbNeed to get some work stuff done, and I hope I can get motivated enough to do it
10:50.28JDdankolb: you have a job?
10:50.50dankolbDoing some PHP coding for ex-college
10:51.06JDah
11:08.31Xiaoqihi JD and dankolb
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11:17.22JDhi
11:20.44Leedshey
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11:37.52zacharyafternoon Leeds
12:33.19gregjafternoon guys
12:46.59gregjLeeds: did you used this X-MailScanner: header to get rid of those crappy emails ?
12:59.32Leedswhich mails?
14:07.17gregjcan you guys please visit  http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/p0f-help/  and check if your system was detected correctly, lcamtuf is trying to update base of system fingerprints
14:07.34gregjLeeds: already sorted :]
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15:31.54formihiya
15:35.14gregjhi
15:35.28gregjviva espaniol
15:35.36formiespaniol where?
15:35.50gregjhmm
15:35.58formiim galician
15:36.10gregjit is still spain
15:36.38formisadly
15:41.22gregji don't care about sad internal conflicts in spain or Irland
15:43.31zacharyhey formi
15:43.38formii don't care where you are from but i don't try to "box" you in any place
15:44.41Leedswe're all bloody Europeans... except for zachary
15:45.21gregjLeeds: sure :-)
15:47.47zacharyLeeds: Details :-P
15:48.30formiI think zach is being assimilated
15:49.10formimurb: http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/32457.html
15:50.05gregjcause it is too slow
15:51.11zacharybbl
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16:41.14Xiaoqihihi
16:43.24Leedstesting 1-2-3
16:43.31Xiaoqi:)
16:43.33Xiaoqihi Leeds
16:43.41Leedsinteresting...
16:44.16Leedsah
16:44.23Leedsnot quite
16:44.26Leedshang on
16:44.49Xiaoqihehe
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16:46.24Leeds2testing 4-5-6
16:46.33Leedslooks like it isn't
16:47.20Leedswhich makes my theoretical WAP->IRC gateway a little more complex...
16:47.52Leeds2really?
16:47.56Leedsyes :-(
16:51.40Xiaoqihehehe
17:04.06gregjhttp://jackie.247isp.net/~gj/SCO/www.perens.com/SCO/VegasSlideShow/frame.htm
17:04.19gregjmirrored,  if someone would like to see it
17:04.29gregjit looks like orginal copy is slashdoted :]
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17:25.14nasrathi Jenson
17:26.39Jensonheya sweetie, howz you?
17:26.53nasraturgh, still at work :(
17:26.58Jensonawww
17:28.37Leedsbah! work...
17:29.17nasratyeah, have to get this build out and I'm on holiday tomorrow
17:30.02nasratWas nearly ready but one of the bug-fixes isn't quite right.
17:32.31Jensonawww, well at least you should have fun at Infest
17:32.52Leedsinfest?
17:33.05nasratdodgy music festival in Bradford this w/e
17:33.25Leedsbradford?
17:33.56nasratyup
17:34.24Leedsup norf?
17:34.37nasratYes Yorkshire :)
17:34.46LeedsI've heard of it...
17:36.55nasratwell that doesn't suprise me really - dodgy industrial and power-noise
17:37.24Leedsyes
17:41.05Jensoni seem to be listening to hallucinogen right this second
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18:19.12Leedshometime...
18:19.20nasrat:(
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19:15.38Jensonheya cupis
19:15.44cupishi Jenson
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19:16.31Jensonheya Leeds
19:17.02Jensonwhy, you all sweaty :P
19:17.09Leedswell yes, but...
19:17.19LeedsI did a bit of 'DIY' - home repair
19:17.32Jensoncool, what you repair?
19:18.01Leedsthe lock on the shared (between 6 flats) front door... it was on the verge of falling out
19:18.20Jensonheh well done!
19:19.42Leedswe have a maintenance office, but they're on hols... and hell, I have a pen-knife :-)
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19:20.02Jensonheya zachary
19:20.35zacharyevening Jenson
19:20.58Leedshey zachary
19:21.27zacharyevening Leeds.
19:43.59zacharyLeeds: Antidote = Beer!
19:44.17Leedson choco milk right now
19:44.30murbwhat about beer antidote?
19:44.47Leedsalso choco milk :-)
19:44.50murbmilk sounds liek a more sound solution.
19:45.00murburgle
19:45.08murbhave to get 0500 bus
19:45.21murbfor 0700 flight
20:14.33zacharyevening SpudULike
20:14.46SpudULikeHi guys, you all well?
20:15.06Xiaoqiyup
20:15.10Xiaoqihows you?
20:15.47SpudULikeHungry, will start hunting for food soon.
20:16.14A4266'lo
20:18.02Xiaoqihi A4266 !!
20:18.10A4266heya noodle :)
20:30.53dankolbBeer!
21:34.53dankolbBlurgh.
21:35.13dankolbI ought to get Spamassassin updated
21:37.17Jensondankolb: i use the better approach of hardly ever reading anything but my hotmail
21:37.23Jensoni dont get spam on hotmail
21:38.03dankolbSo that wouldn't be a better approach
21:41.26Jensongrrrrrr
21:41.30Jensonbloody hell
21:42.12SpudULikenight
21:42.30Jensonnight SpudUAway
21:44.02dankolb??
21:44.10gregjanyone used spamassign with qmail here /
21:44.11gregj?
21:45.32dankolbYes.
21:45.53dankolbYou need to use qmail-scanner
21:46.21stephanbbye everybody!
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21:58.45Jensonoh well im off to bed
21:58.46Jensonnight!
21:59.01dankolbnn
21:59.19Jensonnight dankolb
22:33.47Leedsgregj: I've sworn at and hated sa with qmail for months
22:44.45gregjLeeds: look, i don't have other choice
22:44.54gregjLeeds: if i will have, i will throw it away
22:45.06gregji hate fact that i have to patch it every time i want to add something
22:45.10gregji hate this fact
22:45.25Leedsamongst other crappy qmail facts, yes
22:45.33gregjno, this is only issue
22:45.40Leedsno, it's not
22:45.45gregjthis server is so clear, and secure because it has nothing in it
22:45.48Leedstell me...
22:46.02Leedshow do I get qmail to run spamassassin with *per-user* sa settings?
22:47.59gregjhttp://www.jfitz.com/sa-analyze/
22:48.04gregjLeeds: it cannot
22:48.08gregjLeeds: global settings only
22:48.26Leedsright
22:48.36Leedshow do I cleanly tell qmail to re-read config files?
22:48.36gregjand i don't care
22:48.51gregjkill -HUP qmail.pid
22:49.29gregjrc.d scripts should do this for you
22:49.37Leedsand where do I find qmail.pid?
22:49.49gregj/var/qmail/ somewher
22:49.50gregje
22:49.50gregj:[]
22:50.03gregji have rc.d script in debian that does that
22:51.03Leedsthere is no qmail.pid in /var/qmail on my system
22:51.19Leeds*which* qmail process takes SIGHUP?  there are like 6 of ther
22:51.22Leedsthem
22:51.54gregji don't know
22:51.58gregji didn't care
22:52.16gregjsome parts of configuration qmail reads everytime somebody is connecting
22:52.20gregjlike list of domains and so on
22:52.23Leedsyes
22:52.25Leedsbut not enough
22:53.01gregjfor others you have to restart it
22:55.27LeedsI really don't like qmail
22:55.37Leedsit just feels like it does all sorts of things *wrong*
22:55.42Leedsnot Unixy
22:56.36gregjbe sure that if i would want to build server from scratch, and i will not have to move clients from old server - i will use something else
22:56.43gregjlike exim or postfix
22:57.00Leedsgood
22:58.04LeedsI don't know enough about postfix... but I've read about exim and heard Phil Hazel talking about it... and he seems both sane and sensible (unlike what I know of djb) - which is a major factor for me in chosing software
22:58.16gregjyes
22:58.25Leedsif I feel I can trust the authior
22:58.32LeedsI feel I can trust the software
22:58.33gregjbut i had fscking bunch of redhats, with 1000 traces of breakin
22:58.47gregjand it looks like that in each fscking company i am doing my job with
22:59.28LeedsI don't doubt that qmail is secure. but it's secure because it's almost completely feature-free
22:59.40gregjthats what i said
22:59.42Leedsplus, it's a bastard to work with
22:59.43gregji know that
22:59.49gregjit is very nice
23:00.04gregjas long as you want just smtp
23:00.12gregjwithout even auth
23:00.18gregjwhich is not a good idea anyway
23:01.55dankolbIt was easy to set up
23:02.24gregjme too
23:02.30gregjbut i had to patch it
23:02.32gregjwhy ?
23:02.47gregjimo smtp should be always working with auth
23:02.55gregjotherwise it does not make sens
23:04.10gregjand this break fundamental rule of security
23:04.17gregjno auth - unsecure smtp
23:06.04dankolbThe auth is to allow it to relay for people
23:06.14gregjyep
23:06.21gregjbut everyone uses smtp after pop3
23:06.24dankolbBy default it won't relay unless IP addresses are given in its allow list
23:06.25gregjor pop3 before smtp
23:06.27gregjwhatsoever
23:06.53gregjand this type of "authentication" is at least bad
23:08.22gregjme too
23:16.07gregjoh, and one more thing
23:16.11gregjLeeds: sqwebmail
23:16.17gregjand sqwebadmin
23:16.39gregjso every single postmaster for virtual domain can administrate its own domain
23:16.43gregjadd/delete users and so on
23:16.48gregji don't have to do this for them
23:17.04gregjthis is very nice, and i haven't seen it in other smtp/pop3/imap servers
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23:20.55gregjLeeds: find me something like that for other mail servers, i will move them those domains straight away
23:20.59gregj;]
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