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05:09.29 | new2unix | moin all |
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05:58.40 | zachary | moin |
06:58.14 | highbury | morning |
08:21.46 | JD | hi |
08:21.57 | zachary | moin JD |
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09:28.17 | zachary | moin Tarragon |
09:28.40 | Tarragon | Moin |
09:29.23 | axelS | good morning everybody :) |
09:29.49 | nasrat | morning all |
09:40.19 | axelS | hmm... any idea why wine would give: wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger... ? |
09:40.40 | axelS | i've looked through the wine.conf but can't find anything obvious |
09:48.42 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
09:48.51 | Tarragon | I am having problems with these rotten viruses. I don't mind idiots sending them to me. I only run Linux. What does bother me is the Mail delivery failed messages. |
09:48.56 | Tarragon | These are sent back from another Linux users exim box. They have a return path and from address of 1234567.890.john@my email address. What can I do about it? |
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10:35.40 | JD | Tarragon: fuck all I'm afriad |
10:35.57 | JD | Tarragon: I have resorted to throwing away empty return paths |
10:44.19 | dankolb | Moin |
10:46.50 | nasrat | hey dankolb |
10:46.59 | dankolb | ello |
10:48.05 | nasrat | how goes? |
10:48.34 | dankolb | Slowly. |
10:48.57 | dankolb | Need to get some work stuff done, and I hope I can get motivated enough to do it |
10:50.28 | JD | dankolb: you have a job? |
10:50.50 | dankolb | Doing some PHP coding for ex-college |
10:51.06 | JD | ah |
11:08.31 | Xiaoqi | hi JD and dankolb |
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11:17.22 | JD | hi |
11:20.44 | Leeds | hey |
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11:37.52 | zachary | afternoon Leeds |
12:33.19 | gregj | afternoon guys |
12:46.59 | gregj | Leeds: did you used this X-MailScanner: header to get rid of those crappy emails ? |
12:59.32 | Leeds | which mails? |
14:07.17 | gregj | can you guys please visit http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/p0f-help/ and check if your system was detected correctly, lcamtuf is trying to update base of system fingerprints |
14:07.34 | gregj | Leeds: already sorted :] |
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15:31.54 | formi | hiya |
15:35.14 | gregj | hi |
15:35.28 | gregj | viva espaniol |
15:35.36 | formi | espaniol where? |
15:35.50 | gregj | hmm |
15:35.58 | formi | im galician |
15:36.10 | gregj | it is still spain |
15:36.38 | formi | sadly |
15:41.22 | gregj | i don't care about sad internal conflicts in spain or Irland |
15:43.31 | zachary | hey formi |
15:43.38 | formi | i don't care where you are from but i don't try to "box" you in any place |
15:44.41 | Leeds | we're all bloody Europeans... except for zachary |
15:45.21 | gregj | Leeds: sure :-) |
15:47.47 | zachary | Leeds: Details :-P |
15:48.30 | formi | I think zach is being assimilated |
15:49.10 | formi | murb: http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/32457.html |
15:50.05 | gregj | cause it is too slow |
15:51.11 | zachary | bbl |
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16:41.14 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
16:43.24 | Leeds | testing 1-2-3 |
16:43.31 | Xiaoqi | :) |
16:43.33 | Xiaoqi | hi Leeds |
16:43.41 | Leeds | interesting... |
16:44.16 | Leeds | ah |
16:44.23 | Leeds | not quite |
16:44.26 | Leeds | hang on |
16:44.49 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
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16:46.24 | Leeds2 | testing 4-5-6 |
16:46.33 | Leeds | looks like it isn't |
16:47.20 | Leeds | which makes my theoretical WAP->IRC gateway a little more complex... |
16:47.52 | Leeds2 | really? |
16:47.56 | Leeds | yes :-( |
16:51.40 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
17:04.06 | gregj | http://jackie.247isp.net/~gj/SCO/www.perens.com/SCO/VegasSlideShow/frame.htm |
17:04.19 | gregj | mirrored, if someone would like to see it |
17:04.29 | gregj | it looks like orginal copy is slashdoted :] |
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17:25.14 | nasrat | hi Jenson |
17:26.39 | Jenson | heya sweetie, howz you? |
17:26.53 | nasrat | urgh, still at work :( |
17:26.58 | Jenson | awww |
17:28.37 | Leeds | bah! work... |
17:29.17 | nasrat | yeah, have to get this build out and I'm on holiday tomorrow |
17:30.02 | nasrat | Was nearly ready but one of the bug-fixes isn't quite right. |
17:32.31 | Jenson | awww, well at least you should have fun at Infest |
17:32.52 | Leeds | infest? |
17:33.05 | nasrat | dodgy music festival in Bradford this w/e |
17:33.25 | Leeds | bradford? |
17:33.56 | nasrat | yup |
17:34.24 | Leeds | up norf? |
17:34.37 | nasrat | Yes Yorkshire :) |
17:34.46 | Leeds | I've heard of it... |
17:36.55 | nasrat | well that doesn't suprise me really - dodgy industrial and power-noise |
17:37.24 | Leeds | yes |
17:41.05 | Jenson | i seem to be listening to hallucinogen right this second |
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18:19.12 | Leeds | hometime... |
18:19.20 | nasrat | :( |
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19:15.38 | Jenson | heya cupis |
19:15.44 | cupis | hi Jenson |
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19:16.31 | Jenson | heya Leeds |
19:17.02 | Jenson | why, you all sweaty :P |
19:17.09 | Leeds | well yes, but... |
19:17.19 | Leeds | I did a bit of 'DIY' - home repair |
19:17.32 | Jenson | cool, what you repair? |
19:18.01 | Leeds | the lock on the shared (between 6 flats) front door... it was on the verge of falling out |
19:18.20 | Jenson | heh well done! |
19:19.42 | Leeds | we have a maintenance office, but they're on hols... and hell, I have a pen-knife :-) |
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19:20.02 | Jenson | heya zachary |
19:20.35 | zachary | evening Jenson |
19:20.58 | Leeds | hey zachary |
19:21.27 | zachary | evening Leeds. |
19:43.59 | zachary | Leeds: Antidote = Beer! |
19:44.17 | Leeds | on choco milk right now |
19:44.30 | murb | what about beer antidote? |
19:44.47 | Leeds | also choco milk :-) |
19:44.50 | murb | milk sounds liek a more sound solution. |
19:45.00 | murb | urgle |
19:45.08 | murb | have to get 0500 bus |
19:45.21 | murb | for 0700 flight |
20:14.33 | zachary | evening SpudULike |
20:14.46 | SpudULike | Hi guys, you all well? |
20:15.06 | Xiaoqi | yup |
20:15.10 | Xiaoqi | hows you? |
20:15.47 | SpudULike | Hungry, will start hunting for food soon. |
20:16.14 | A4266 | 'lo |
20:18.02 | Xiaoqi | hi A4266 !! |
20:18.10 | A4266 | heya noodle :) |
20:30.53 | dankolb | Beer! |
21:34.53 | dankolb | Blurgh. |
21:35.13 | dankolb | I ought to get Spamassassin updated |
21:37.17 | Jenson | dankolb: i use the better approach of hardly ever reading anything but my hotmail |
21:37.23 | Jenson | i dont get spam on hotmail |
21:38.03 | dankolb | So that wouldn't be a better approach |
21:41.26 | Jenson | grrrrrr |
21:41.30 | Jenson | bloody hell |
21:42.12 | SpudULike | night |
21:42.30 | Jenson | night SpudUAway |
21:44.02 | dankolb | ?? |
21:44.10 | gregj | anyone used spamassign with qmail here / |
21:44.11 | gregj | ? |
21:45.32 | dankolb | Yes. |
21:45.53 | dankolb | You need to use qmail-scanner |
21:46.21 | stephanb | bye everybody! |
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21:58.45 | Jenson | oh well im off to bed |
21:58.46 | Jenson | night! |
21:59.01 | dankolb | nn |
21:59.19 | Jenson | night dankolb |
22:33.47 | Leeds | gregj: I've sworn at and hated sa with qmail for months |
22:44.45 | gregj | Leeds: look, i don't have other choice |
22:44.54 | gregj | Leeds: if i will have, i will throw it away |
22:45.06 | gregj | i hate fact that i have to patch it every time i want to add something |
22:45.10 | gregj | i hate this fact |
22:45.25 | Leeds | amongst other crappy qmail facts, yes |
22:45.33 | gregj | no, this is only issue |
22:45.40 | Leeds | no, it's not |
22:45.45 | gregj | this server is so clear, and secure because it has nothing in it |
22:45.48 | Leeds | tell me... |
22:46.02 | Leeds | how do I get qmail to run spamassassin with *per-user* sa settings? |
22:47.59 | gregj | http://www.jfitz.com/sa-analyze/ |
22:48.04 | gregj | Leeds: it cannot |
22:48.08 | gregj | Leeds: global settings only |
22:48.26 | Leeds | right |
22:48.36 | Leeds | how do I cleanly tell qmail to re-read config files? |
22:48.36 | gregj | and i don't care |
22:48.51 | gregj | kill -HUP qmail.pid |
22:49.29 | gregj | rc.d scripts should do this for you |
22:49.37 | Leeds | and where do I find qmail.pid? |
22:49.49 | gregj | /var/qmail/ somewher |
22:49.50 | gregj | e |
22:49.50 | gregj | :[] |
22:50.03 | gregj | i have rc.d script in debian that does that |
22:51.03 | Leeds | there is no qmail.pid in /var/qmail on my system |
22:51.19 | Leeds | *which* qmail process takes SIGHUP? there are like 6 of ther |
22:51.22 | Leeds | them |
22:51.54 | gregj | i don't know |
22:51.58 | gregj | i didn't care |
22:52.16 | gregj | some parts of configuration qmail reads everytime somebody is connecting |
22:52.20 | gregj | like list of domains and so on |
22:52.23 | Leeds | yes |
22:52.25 | Leeds | but not enough |
22:53.01 | gregj | for others you have to restart it |
22:55.27 | Leeds | I really don't like qmail |
22:55.37 | Leeds | it just feels like it does all sorts of things *wrong* |
22:55.42 | Leeds | not Unixy |
22:56.36 | gregj | be sure that if i would want to build server from scratch, and i will not have to move clients from old server - i will use something else |
22:56.43 | gregj | like exim or postfix |
22:57.00 | Leeds | good |
22:58.04 | Leeds | I don't know enough about postfix... but I've read about exim and heard Phil Hazel talking about it... and he seems both sane and sensible (unlike what I know of djb) - which is a major factor for me in chosing software |
22:58.16 | gregj | yes |
22:58.25 | Leeds | if I feel I can trust the authior |
22:58.32 | Leeds | I feel I can trust the software |
22:58.33 | gregj | but i had fscking bunch of redhats, with 1000 traces of breakin |
22:58.47 | gregj | and it looks like that in each fscking company i am doing my job with |
22:59.28 | Leeds | I don't doubt that qmail is secure. but it's secure because it's almost completely feature-free |
22:59.40 | gregj | thats what i said |
22:59.42 | Leeds | plus, it's a bastard to work with |
22:59.43 | gregj | i know that |
22:59.49 | gregj | it is very nice |
23:00.04 | gregj | as long as you want just smtp |
23:00.12 | gregj | without even auth |
23:00.18 | gregj | which is not a good idea anyway |
23:01.55 | dankolb | It was easy to set up |
23:02.24 | gregj | me too |
23:02.30 | gregj | but i had to patch it |
23:02.32 | gregj | why ? |
23:02.47 | gregj | imo smtp should be always working with auth |
23:02.55 | gregj | otherwise it does not make sens |
23:04.10 | gregj | and this break fundamental rule of security |
23:04.17 | gregj | no auth - unsecure smtp |
23:06.04 | dankolb | The auth is to allow it to relay for people |
23:06.14 | gregj | yep |
23:06.21 | gregj | but everyone uses smtp after pop3 |
23:06.24 | dankolb | By default it won't relay unless IP addresses are given in its allow list |
23:06.25 | gregj | or pop3 before smtp |
23:06.27 | gregj | whatsoever |
23:06.53 | gregj | and this type of "authentication" is at least bad |
23:08.22 | gregj | me too |
23:16.07 | gregj | oh, and one more thing |
23:16.11 | gregj | Leeds: sqwebmail |
23:16.17 | gregj | and sqwebadmin |
23:16.39 | gregj | so every single postmaster for virtual domain can administrate its own domain |
23:16.43 | gregj | add/delete users and so on |
23:16.48 | gregj | i don't have to do this for them |
23:17.04 | gregj | this is very nice, and i haven't seen it in other smtp/pop3/imap servers |
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23:20.55 | gregj | Leeds: find me something like that for other mail servers, i will move them those domains straight away |
23:20.59 | gregj | ;] |
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