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00:07.47ClyphoxHowzit
02:24.49*** join/#gllug eye69 (magnus@3ffe:200:170:200:0:0:0:1)
05:11.43new2unixmoin all
05:16.32nasratmoin
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08:05.42Copemoin
08:44.01*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@user-122.bbd14tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk)
08:53.52Copemoin Leeds
08:55.39Leedsboket tov
08:55.44Leedsboker tov
08:56.38Copebyker grove
09:00.03Leedsbyker byker byker?
09:06.23zacharymoin Cope, Leeds.
09:42.06dankolbMorning
09:42.32CopeMorning dankolb :o)
10:58.53Leedsbusy here today
11:01.48CopeI have a pop account that I've had for ages... mail sent to anything_you_want@popaccount will get there.  I don't have shell access to the box.  How can I use this so sophie@popaccount and steve@popaccount can be entirely separate?
11:05.04Leedsyou can't, sensibly
11:05.15Leedspop only allows for a single mailbox...
11:05.49Leedsif the delivery address is in the headers - which is may or may not be depending on the server and configuration - you can filter it client-side
11:06.55CopeYeah - I wondered about that... but as it goes atm, if you send a mail to sophie@ and I try to redirect it, I still get a copy.
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11:39.35Coperelo Leeds
11:44.23Leedscertainly
11:48.58dankolbrc112576
12:05.27Leedsdankolb: your point?
12:11.45dankolbIt's not a very catchy nickname :)
12:13.30Leedsit's not my nickname
13:28.21gregj"nudny jest ten swiat.."
13:33.29dankolbYep
13:33.37gregj:-)
13:33.48gregjat least you do understeand me
13:34.08dankolbYep. Thanks :)
13:40.48Leedsgregj: you might find people understand you better in *LONDON* if you speak *ENGLISH*
13:43.14dankolbBah. London has a fairly large Polish community.
13:47.55Leeds#gllug doesn't
13:48.19dankolbGrrr. This laptop is being fucked up ATM.
14:02.13dankolbGARGH! This laptop is giving me grief!
14:02.27dankolbAnd all I wanted to do was watch something.
14:02.29Xiaoqihihi
14:02.37dankolbWhy is that too much to ask in this day & age?
14:04.55Leedstry watching paint dry instead
14:05.45dankolbHm.
14:05.49dankolbOther things have fucked up.
14:05.58dankolbSoftware Update isn't working. And Preview isn't working either.
14:11.49dankolbHrm. That's a bit better.
14:12.35dankolbNow they're both working.
14:14.56dankolbHrm. Some seems to be a bit wrong with this CD
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14:24.51CopeHi sash
14:25.23sashHello Cope. How's life and PHP?
14:26.14CopeNot bad - on holiday atm, so just resting - last holiday I'll get for a while!
14:26.14*** join/#gllug resuDaed (~tom@82-35-127-244.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk)
14:29.39resuDaedhas anyone got a win98 startup disk they can eail me an image of??
14:29.52resuDaeds/eail/email
14:29.55murbleyou can download them
14:30.03murblebootdisks.com or somthing like that.
14:31.00resuDaedmurble : bootdisk.com
14:31.46CopeArse! I've just realised I'm 1 day out of sync - I thought today was the 27th, and hence the next meeting was tonight! Bah!
14:32.16dankolbMeeting?
14:32.50CopeThe one that is in September not August - see how badly I have lost the plot!
14:32.59dankolbyes :)
14:35.21sashCope: Are you practicing sleep deprivation?
14:38.08Copelol - I dunno what I'm deprived of, but I'm not altogether `with it' :o)
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15:30.31dankolbHow're you?
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15:36.20resuBitchgood
15:36.26resuBitchtrying to contact uni
15:38.57resuBitchYou?
15:45.14dankolbI'm okay.
15:45.23resuBitchgood :)
15:45.30dankolbWhich Uni you strying to contact?
15:45.47*** join/#gllug Galik (~galik@195.137.124.20)
15:46.16nasratdankolb: when did you apply for your course? (I'm  contemplating)
15:47.02dankolbAbout a month ago.
15:47.16Leedsafternoon Galik
15:48.02nasratok, cool.  I'm wondering if I could get in somewhere on a conversion masters with just industry experience
15:48.13*** join/#gllug The_alchemist (~alchemist@pc1-bbrg1-4-cust117.renf.cable.ntl.com)
15:48.22dankolbMaybe. But, well, have you got a first degree?
15:48.43nasratno
15:48.57nasratI did go to uni, changed courses and never finished
15:49.28dankolbAh. Well, you could always try :)
15:49.59resuBitchdankolb: aberdeen, to cancel my place
15:50.25dankolbAhh. Right.
15:51.28resuBitchdecided to stay in london
15:51.42dankolb*nod* Going to Uni in London, then?
15:52.18resuBitchLondon Guildhall
15:52.31dankolbCool. To do what?
15:53.54CopeWhat's wrong with Aberdeen? A fine uni and a fine city!
15:54.24The_alchemistAberdeen is a fine Uni but the city is a bit bleak for my taste
15:55.28stephanbresuBitch: i hope ure not applying for their 3d animation course
15:56.01CopeAberdeen is fantastic in the sun and miserable in the rain :o)
15:57.13The_alchemisttrue - shame it rains 90% of the time :-S
16:00.08resuBitchrather happy with London, Aberdeen is suddenly very sour
16:00.28resuBitchI'm to do Criminal Justice, which Abdn doesn't offer
16:00.55Copelol - Aberdeen doesn't have criminal justice :o)
16:01.06resuBitchExately
16:01.29resuBitchWas looking to do Law, but prefer English
16:01.38LeedsCope: heh
16:02.12CopeYeah, Scottish Law would be a bit restrictive, I guess.
16:02.26resuBitchsum wun stol me haggis
16:02.34resuBitchooo nooo
16:03.10Leedspubs are open late though...
16:03.21resuBitchIsn't it great. :)
16:03.27resuBitchWonder if london is the same
16:04.23Leedssame what? late pubs?
16:04.32The_alchemistQ: what is the difference between Mick Jagge and an Aberdonian?
16:04.44resuBitchyeah, pubs
16:04.56resuBitchThe_alchemist: dunno, what?
16:05.12dankolbPubs are good.
16:05.19dankolbresuBitch: Coming to next Gllug meeting?
16:05.23The_alchemistA: Mick Jagger sang 'hey you get off my cloud' whereas an aberdonian sings 'hey Mcloed get off my ewe'
16:05.26Leedshe smiles rather than sneers sometimes
16:05.32Leedsah :-)
16:05.34resuBitchdankolb: I agree, and yeah, what's the date?
16:05.43LeedsresuBitch: see the topic
16:05.55resuBitchlol, no
16:06.39Leeds27/9
16:06.40resuBitchLeeds: what is the topic?
16:06.47resuBitchwhat does it mean?
16:06.53Leedsthe topic is: "Greater London Linux User Group - Next meeting: 27th Sep 2003 - Westminster Uni. http://gllug.org.uk"
16:06.58Leedsthe topic of the channel, that is
16:07.20resuBitchdon't see it no.
16:07.28resuBitchbut thank you for pointing it out
16:07.59resuBitchdankolb: would be cool to come yeah, will drag tom down, sure he'd like it, we haven't been in a while
16:09.01resuBitchdankolb: u going to be there?
16:11.04XiaoqiresuBitch: boo!
16:11.37resuBitchhi
16:11.42Xiaoqihows you?
16:12.12Xiaoqihehe
16:12.42dankolbresuBitch: Yes, I'll be there.
16:12.54resuBitchdankolb: cool can't wait
16:13.02dankolb:)
16:13.06dankolbAnother month.
16:14.17resuBitchdankolb: yeah, u bringing a date. :P
16:14.54dankolbUnfortunately, I can't.
16:15.26resuBitchwhy for??
16:15.39dankolbShe's in the US.
16:15.53resuBitchcool :)
16:16.01dankolbkk
16:16.01resuBitchbut still in mind?
16:16.09dankolbYes.
16:16.11resuBitch:)
16:18.30resuBitchI'm back :)
16:18.34dankolbwb
16:18.49resuBitchThank you sweetheart
16:18.52resuBitch:)
16:19.09resuBitchso, help me conpose a letter
16:19.18*** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-196-7.access.uk.tiscali.com)
16:20.51resuBitchdankolb: u up for it?
16:22.43dankolbFor what? Composing a letter?
16:23.37Xiaoqiheh
16:23.40Xiaoqihi Cope
16:23.41Leedsibot kill Cope
16:23.42ACTION executes killall -9 Cope
16:23.52Leedsright... that got rid of that...
16:24.37resuBitchlol
16:24.51resuBitchdankolb: How do i refuse abdn?
16:25.22dankolbYou reject it via UCAS, don't you?
16:25.23Leedsit exists in Solaris - doesn't quite do the same thing...
16:25.29resuBitchnope
16:25.37eye69Leeds: Does it kill all lusers?
16:25.42eye69Leeds: Physically?
16:25.47resuBitchhave to write to them directly. :(
16:26.13Leedseye69: nope, just all processes it can... running it as root is fund
16:26.30nasratLeeds: especially process 1?
16:26.42eye69Leeds: Heh. Seems kinda useless.
16:27.34Leedsnasrat: indeed
16:27.53Leedsnah
16:28.07Leedsit's used by shutdown to clean the system out so it can do unmounts and stuff
16:30.36dankolbresuBitch: Just say that regrettably you've had to withdraw from them
16:31.05dankolbbecause you decided that the course you applied for is not for you, and that you want to study a course that they, unfortunately, don't offer
16:31.07nasratalso fax may count as "in writing" if you can't be arsed
16:32.13Leedseh... once it's a fax, putting it in an envelope with stamp -> mailbox (assuming there are mail deliveries...) isn't that big a deal
16:32.37nasratyeah but leaving the house
16:41.42Leedsnasrat complains about leaving the house... and then leaves...
16:42.12resuBitch[Xiaoqi(~nikki@195.137.107.7)] if you don't want to talk to me i'll go away
16:42.12resuBitch<dankolb> For what? Composing a letter?
16:42.12resuBitch* Cope/#gllug pops up, looking like a paperclips, and says "Looks like your
16:42.13resuBitch<PROTECTED>
16:42.13resuBitch<Xiaoqi> heh
16:42.13resuBitch<Xiaoqi> hi Cope
16:42.27*** part/#gllug The_alchemist (~alchemist@pc1-bbrg1-4-cust117.renf.cable.ntl.com)
16:43.12Leedsoops...
16:43.30CopeOh - hello Xiaoqi from ages ago.
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16:48.13Leeds?
16:48.16Leedshappy man?
16:48.34jason_ukfsnyes indeed. UKFSN's account just left the red - profit :)
16:48.50Leedsmazel tov :-)
16:48.56jason_ukfsnWell it will only last until the bills for next month hit (ie another 4 days) but it's still a happy moment.
16:49.11Leedssure
16:49.19LeedsI was going to talk to you about hosting...
16:49.29jason_ukfsnI'm all ears
17:02.36CopeRight - bye for now - probably back 10 ish
17:03.01jason_ukfsnbye cope
17:03.16Leedsseeya
17:30.26jason_ukfsnJenson - it's probably your filters killing all the non-spam email
17:30.59Jensonjason_ukfsn: nah, dont get any email on those accounts anymore lol
18:07.37jason_ukfsnhmm, south london has just vanished from the national grid.
18:07.43jason_ukfsnthey have no power
18:07.50dankolbHeh.
18:08.34dankolbIt must be Al Quaeda's fault.
18:08.37dankolb:)
18:09.06jason_ukfsnI gather it was done by the americans in revenge for the people laughing at their power cut
18:09.48dankolbWell, if the Americans blamed the Canadians, can we blame the French?
18:11.27zacharyAnyone game for a pub meeting on saturday?
18:11.50jason_ukfsnI'll probably be working :(
18:12.15dankolbzachary: When and where?
18:13.56zacharyAny where, time start around 1600-1700.
18:14.21dankolbI finish band practice at 1700, so can't get to London before about 1800/1830.
18:14.36Leedsband camp?
18:14.39dankolbYes.
18:14.47zacharydankolb: you play flute?
18:14.49dankolbAn no jokes about it. A tenor sax is much bigger than  aflute.
18:16.13jason_ukfsnmore painful too I imagine ;)
18:16.37zacharydankolb: you forgot about the trumpet scene.
18:18.57dankolb:)
18:21.05*** part/#gllug Leeds (~rc112576@beryllium.eu.sun.com)
18:28.51eye69zachary: Sure.
18:30.43Jenson|Awayeye69: is it important as to wether a CDburner is master or slave?
18:31.22zacharyeye69: I was just informed that I have an appointment with my wife. Will not be done until about 17:30.
18:31.25eye69Jenson|Away: Yes, should be master.
18:31.34Jenson|Awayright, i'll swap it theb
18:31.37Jenson|Aways/then
18:32.33eye69Jenson|Away: Well, matters if there is another drive or device on the same bus, since the master gets more resources.
18:33.49Jenson|Awayeye69: well, its not my system, i have no idea how to use Nero, but i think its a software problem, bit i'll swap it anyway
18:34.33Jenson|Awayoooh and itr crashes on shutdown, i think if i've hakf convinced them into linux though lol
18:34.50eye69If you're getting buffer underruns it might well be the IDE arrangement.
18:35.29Jenson|Awayeye69: i dont think it is hardware related, but im gonna swap it anyway
19:10.28dankolbAh. I've just backed up lots of mail, and installed a new version of Thunderbird.
19:27.37eye69dankolb: Is Thunderbird alright?
19:27.42dankolbYes.
19:27.47dankolbIt's Mozilla mail without the browser.
19:27.54jason_ukfsnoh well time to go and print out some invoices before giving up for the day. I need some sleep
19:27.58jason_ukfsnnite all
19:28.02dankolb'night
19:28.21dankolbHrm. I want Leeds to come back on. I finally have an answer to his qmail+spamassassin problem
19:28.25eye69Ok. The only GUI client I've used the last few years is Evolution, which is quite alright IMO.
19:28.34dankolbYes, but Outlook is evil :)
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19:28.48dankolbI was brought up on Netscape Communicator
19:29.45JDdankolb: I think I might have used NS2
19:29.52JDI know I've used NS3
19:30.06dankolbI've used NS3 and NS4.
19:30.12dankolbI don't think NS2 had email built in
19:30.46JDI doubt it did
19:32.28dankolbToo tired?
19:33.10JDtoo pissed off
19:33.19dankolb:(
19:33.24dankolbBad day again?
19:33.24JDstarted work at 7:00 today and finished at 8:00
19:33.27dankolbUrgh.
19:33.34JDand I have to get to London by 9:00 tomorrow
19:33.42JDI only get paid for 9-5
19:33.45JD5:30
19:33.47dankolbBlurgh.
19:40.39irvined_ibot seen skugg
19:40.44skugg <~stig@81-86-230-151.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 12d 5h 53m 24s ago, saying: 'hi.'.
19:41.14irvined_JD it sucks doesnt it?
19:41.59JDirvined_: yes
19:42.14JDnight
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19:45.16zacharyGood night I'm off to bed. I'm going to make an email anouncement tomarrow for the pub meeting. If anyone has a preferance for pubs please email me zjstruhs(at)btinternet.com.
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19:59.19irvined_ahah
19:59.21irvined_just the person.
19:59.37irvined_skugg: any chance i could get your bored vid and that one with the people banging fridges?
20:00.15skuggirvined_, hm...
20:00.18skuggnot sure.
20:00.22skugghave to check if I have them :)
20:02.05skugghm. I have them, alright...
20:04.00skuggmkay, will have to see if I can get it up anywhere.
20:04.54irvined_cool, you can have an ftp account if you want.
20:09.10skugghow about dcc?
20:09.20skugg(not sure if it works from here though..)
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20:12.26irvined_sure give it a try
20:13.43Copelo
20:15.03skuggirvined_, did you get my dcc request just now?
20:15.57irvined_yeah
20:16.26skuggcool, it worked ;)
20:16.54skugggive it a bit, and you should be able to download the hurra-torpedo clip from brautaset.org/2003/misc
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20:30.25dankolbHi Leeds
20:30.33Leedshey
20:30.38dankolbYou can use Spamassassin with per-user preferences with qmail.
20:31.21Leedshow?
20:31.45dankolbYou need to use a database backend for storing preferences
20:31.53Leedswhat???
20:31.57Leedsnope
20:31.58Leedsthat's no
20:32.01Leedsgood...
20:32.08dankolbhttp://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/FAQ.php
20:32.11Leedsthis needs to be *user-administerable*
20:32.17dankolbItem 15 under Content-Scanner Issues
20:32.25dankolbSure it it. There's a PHP frontend for it :)
20:32.41dankolbhttp://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/spamassassin.taint.org/spamassassin.org/full/2.5x/dist/sql/README
20:33.01dankolbThat's the SA doc.
20:33.07Leedshmm...
20:33.11Leedswe don't have 2.5x yet
20:33.33dankolbI think it's been in there for some time.
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20:34.14dankolbAnd if you can get it to talk properly to SQL, you'll be doing better than me :)
20:52.44irvined_skugg: aint downloading
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21:00.22skuggirvined_, i noticed.
21:00.26skuggwhat's wrong?
21:01.09skugghttp://brautaset.org/2003/misc/Hurra_Torpedo-Total_Eclipse_of_The_Heart.mpg
21:01.53irvined_got that. not sure, could it be a firewall issue?
21:03.24skugghm.
21:03.26skuggpossibly.
21:03.45skuggprivmsg me ftp details, and I'll whizz it up to you.
21:32.17dankolbMmm. Food.
21:33.59dankolbLeeds: You are DNS-and-BIND, I take it?
21:34.07Leedsdankolb: huh, what?
21:34.20dankolbSlashdot user?
21:34.30Leedsno
21:34.42dankolbHrm. that's the comment that was on the URL you pasted
21:34.57Leedsyes, I know... I replied to it
21:35.06dankolbAh.
21:35.55dankolbYou have a low numbered user.
21:36.46Leedsbeen around since before there were numbers :-)
21:37.00Leedsyou know, being a free man and all...
21:38.02Jensoni think mine is linuxchickjenson
21:38.04Jensonnost likely
21:38.08Jensonor overdirve
21:38.19Jensons/overdrive seenas thats my slashgoth username
21:43.52Jensonnight everyone
21:52.14*** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-196-7.access.uk.tiscali.com)
22:07.44Leedswhat did Luke do to you?
22:09.08dankolbThat's enough, isn't it?
22:15.53CopeIt is... and its very good. But its in the wrong direction from the shops I use most
22:16.18CopeSo if we want a beer after shopping, its a bit of a pain.
22:18.44CopeOk... sleep beckons.
22:18.55dankolb'night Cope
22:26.10Cope_SleepAm I alone in getting really really pissed off at sites that -rely- on javascript?
22:26.24dankolbNo.
22:27.11Cope_SleepThat's a relief! I can sleep better now.  Just wanted to download some mp3s - but no - my browser must have javascript 'enabled'
22:27.11Leedsno
22:27.20Leedsit sucks
22:27.24dankolbBut downloading is EBW :)
22:27.58Cope_Sleepand cookies.
22:28.38dankolb:)
22:28.39Cope_SleepI always disable cookies - I feel it is an infringement of my space to have a file that I didn't write ceremoniously dumped on me. Fuck that.
22:29.13dankolbCookies can be useful
22:29.25Cope_SleepI can see their use, yes.
22:31.08Cope_SleepAnyway - really going to bed now.
22:31.17dankolb'night
22:31.57Cope_Sleepnn leeds, nn dankolb, and anyone else awake. See you tomorrow.
23:22.00irvined_urgh i need ot be up in 5 hours

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