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01:19.20TarragonYes. PCB compounds
01:19.34TarragonSorry wrong channel
05:08.26new2unixmoin all
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08:35.40zacharymoin
08:37.29TarragonMoin zachary
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10:11.07cuphgfh
10:26.49TarragonGesundheit!
11:18.30WethrinMorning
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11:54.10WethrinHi
11:54.34StarGatehi
11:54.47StarGatea friend told me that i maybe get here some help with postfix on linux ?
11:55.22WethrinErm. Possibly, although I'm not sure who here runs postfix
11:56.02StarGateheheh ok...so to anyone in here : who could help me with postfix maybe ?
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12:56.44Leedsafternoon
12:57.08unix4lifeleeds: arvo to you sir
12:58.42unix4lifenetwork's gone tits up. Been on da phone all morning talking to 'support'. Still havent found the problem and MD's and staff arent pleased (obviously)
12:59.23Leeds:-(
13:01.54unix4life...and i have a Palm m130 to configure with outlook for one of the MD's. what a fun day today. :)
13:02.07Leeds:-( :-(
13:08.34nasratLeeds: pine?
13:09.33unix4life...at least with *nix you have logs to browse through. Event viewer, OTOH is a joke.
13:10.58Leedsnasrat: that's the one, yes
13:12.40unix4lifeseeya guys. am off to mend the shattered windows. lol
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14:05.52axelShi Stargate
14:06.31StarGateheya axelS
14:08.21axelSanybody alive in this channel? :)
14:08.51Leedsnope
14:08.58axelS;)
14:09.01Leedsplenty of us dead and still moving...
14:09.01axelShi Leedds
14:09.05axelSleeds*
14:10.18Leedsso, StarGate... hi
14:10.47axelShmm
14:10.50axelSRalf?
14:11.59axelSoh well
14:19.43Leedsscared him off
14:23.31StarGatenah im busy
14:23.37StarGatestill @ work
14:23.41StarGatejust a moment ladies :P
14:39.17StarGateok, i have a prob with postfix...so with who could i talk about it ?
14:42.46StarGatehello ?
14:42.58TarragonWell ask away - someone may know the answer
14:45.00StarGateok i have set in the main.cf the body_checks and header_checks like (body_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/body_chk.regexp) and now it seems that he simply ignores the rules i have set in these files
14:45.59StarGatei have wrote some shit into the destination file to test if the syntax is maybe wrong and he showed me an error then..so i could say he definitly passes the mail through the rules but he ignores them
14:46.40StarGatei have i.e. set a rule to check the subject ( if subject something with = VIAGRA then reject ) but overall delivers the mail
14:47.54StarGatei should tell that its and older postfix version from the Suse Email Server III so version should be <2
14:48.22LeedsI have no idea about postfix - I'm not ignoring you... I just have nothing to say :-)
14:48.34StarGate*g* hehe ok
14:48.38StarGatemaybe someone else
14:49.02cuplittle from column A, a little from column B
14:49.24StarGate?
14:49.25LeedsI think there is at least one postfix-using regular around here, but maybe not during the day
14:50.35StarGateso patient is a must....
14:52.26Tarragonso what is the rule you are trying to test? Something like /VIAGRA/REJECT viagra body rule1
14:53.46StarGate./VIAGRA/ REJECT Keep your Spam | is one line of it yes
14:53.58StarGatewithout the point on the beginning of course
14:54.29TarragonDid the "Keep your Spam" end in the log file?
14:54.45StarGatenope that is the thing makes me wonder
14:55.33StarGatebut when i enter something like /^*VIAGRA/ REJECT blah he gives me an error like wrong syntax in line 3
14:55.46StarGateso i think the syntax is right
14:56.23TarragonOnly where VIAGRA appears in the body. Header checks have a different syntax
14:56.31StarGatei know
14:57.42StarGatein the mime_header_check i have something like : /name=[^>]*\.(bat|exe)/ REJECT blah
14:58.55TarragonSo the rule and main.cf lines appear fine. What happens if you change the main.cf pathing to say postfix/maps/body_check and rename the rule file?
14:59.27StarGatedunno let me try...
15:01.48formiStarGate: if you are using postfix 2, there is large file at http://www.securitysage.com/files/body_checks
15:02.01formiwith plenty of examples
15:02.22StarGatei know i got all the syntax from there
15:03.26formiim using only their mime_check rules
15:03.33StarGatei overall dunno how to check wich version i do have....always get version number desc like 20011201
15:03.58formithat is post 1 probably
15:03.59TarragonExcellent site. Now added to bookmarks. :-)
15:04.08StarGateheheh
15:04.22StarGateanyway Tarragon...same result like before
15:04.30StarGatehe still passes the email through
15:05.19StarGatean log says nothing about a error
15:05.52formiStarGate: which distro are you using?
15:06.01StarGateSuSE email Server III
15:07.30formii doubt they are using postfix 2
15:07.38StarGateme too
15:08.05formiand there is a bit warning on the securitysage page about being only for postfix 2
15:08.08StarGateits kinda old...but dont say i should update...that will be 100 pro a pain in the a**
15:08.47formis/bit/big
15:09.02formioh no im not gonna recommend an update
15:09.43formii actually got asked to implement it, that was before I come up with the price of it
15:09.46StarGatei dunno really what to do...i mean im not stupid in linux
15:10.00StarGatebut this is really weird
15:10.02StarGateheheh
15:10.04formikeep googling
15:11.20TarragonOn a google someone reports the pipe(8) does not have the q flag set
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15:23.24TarragonOnly other thing I can find is the SuSE security announcement SuSE-SA:2003:033 for postfix
15:26.56StarGate|forget it i got the prob
15:27.57StarGate|the thing is that when you type something after the word REJECT @ postfix 1 it must be a regular predefinied rule !! so when i write REJECT keep your spam postfix doesnt know what to do with it and then ignores this line !
15:28.57StarGate|now i have millions of reject lines :)
15:29.01StarGate|in the log
15:39.45Jensonheya
16:00.56Jensonyay ive finally found which site i put my CV on, and next time i really will save it on a disk before i corrupt my install
16:03.19Jensongotta fgo
16:03.20JensonBBL
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17:29.22JDWethrin: ping
17:33.47gregjpong
17:33.49gregj:]
17:34.13JDffs doesn't anyon know their own nick?
17:34.39gregj:(
17:35.06Leedsyou talking to me?
17:58.04WethrinJD: pong
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18:23.22WethrinOh well. I'm off for a bit.
18:23.28WethrinBack in an hour or so
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18:35.15Jenson|Awayeveniing guys
18:39.53Jenson|Awaybloody wather
18:56.10new2unixits amazing how a simple patch cable, fitted yonks back, can manage to fsck up an entire network.
18:56.33Jensonheh
18:56.54new2unixleeds: i got it sorted at the eleventh hour. D'oh
18:58.08Jensonhttp://www.bash.org/?104052
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19:44.06Jensonheya Leeds
19:47.22Leedsgreetings
20:25.03gregj:D
20:25.37Wethrin:)
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20:33.54armijn'lo
20:35.12Wethrin'lo
20:35.29armijnI spent debugging GNOME 2.4 packages today
20:35.36armijndownloaded the tarballs
20:35.40armijnand for each tarball:
20:35.53armijnehrm, rephrase
20:35.59armijnfor i in tarballs:
20:36.06armijn<PROTECTED>
20:36.35armijnquite a few packages barfed
20:36.49armijnsent in 10 or 12 bugreports, few patches, all very trivial
20:36.58armijnit's the dilemma of software makers
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20:37.27armijnusers won't start using a program until it's "stable" (and find bugs then)
20:37.32new2unixLeeds: you wouldnt believe what the problem was, we were having this afternoon when the network went tits up.
20:37.45armijnbut developers can't make a program stable until lots of bugs are solved
20:38.30stephanbnew2unix: "I want to believe" (then sing the X-Files tune)
20:38.50WethrinDo an Open-source thing. Keep everything at version 0.9* :)
20:38.56new2unixstephanb: i dont know the x-files tune.
20:39.06WethrinDum dum dum
20:39.39new2unixWethrin: you are humming out of tune. hah
20:39.55WethrinBah.
20:40.23new2unixWethrin: have you be skipping music classes?
20:40.36WethrinOh yes.
20:40.57stephanbhttp://www.btinternet.com/~tv_timewarp/x-files/theme_tune.htm
20:41.16stephanbit's midi, you'll need timidity++ to play back
20:41.45new2unixstephanb: how's immanuel and his W&G cd's?
20:41.55new2unixi'm sure you said you'll mail me one.
20:42.26stephanbnew2unix: gosh you're gonna kill me
20:42.40new2unixstephanb: you dont say?
20:43.19stephanbnew2unix: he moved house and I forgot
20:44.02new2unixstephanb: its alright. there's no rush.
20:44.29stephanbnew2unix: that's it written on my XPads
20:44.48WethrinYou have adverts for XP?
20:45.03new2unixibot xpad
20:45.04bugger all, i dunno, new2unix
20:45.29stephanbnew2unix: XPad = post-it notes for your desktop
20:46.06stephanbhttp://xpad.sourceforge.net/news
20:47.09new2unixstephanb: hope you dont write your passwords on an xpad. hah
20:48.09stephanbno, i'm paranoid
20:51.11new2unixstephanb: that would be like locking your keys in the car, locking your 3yrd old in as well. While the mother is looking on in utter rage.
20:56.13stephanbnew2unix: considered kodak DX ?
20:59.00new2unixstephanb: i've seen the Canon G3 and its the one i want. due to its hefty price tag, there's a mini battle going on between my Wants and my Needs. I think my Wants are winning. :)
20:59.39armijnI've got a Canon Powershot A70...but today I saw an A80
20:59.54armijnit's so much nicer...
21:00.02armijn(well, everything is relative)
21:00.46new2unixyeah. mine is between an A80 and a G3.  dunno if i should get an A80 and spend the rest on addons.
21:01.03armijnlike memory ;-)
21:01.16new2unixyep. and spare battery.
21:01.42new2unixand DiskSpace for archiving :)
21:02.30armijnhmm, it's very hard to throw pictures away...at least, for me :)
21:02.58armijnand no, they are all decent pictures...of geeks and bumblebees and stuff
21:05.00new2unixgot a site up for your fav pics yet?
21:05.37stephanbarmijn: cd-rom ? dvd-rom ?
21:06.55armijnstephanb: harddisk for the moment
21:06.59armijnnew2unix: not yet
21:07.28new2unixarmijn: whats the price difference between the A70 and the A80? youre in the UK, right?
21:08.01armijnnew2unix: nope, I'm a Euroboy
21:08.11new2unixBelgian?
21:08.22armijnnew2unix: Dutch ;-)
21:08.38armijnthe webshop I usually shop the difference is EUR 25
21:08.50armijnso that's not too bad...
21:09.33new2unixWhy are prices in the Continent so much cheaper than ones here in the UK?
21:09.54armijnare they?
21:10.03armijnwith techstuff I mean...
21:11.24new2unixyeah. much much cheaper.
21:15.23new2unixarmijn: the computer fairs are quite good for bargain hunters. but thats for comp hardware only.
21:15.38armijnand Linux helpdesks...
21:16.00armijnwith a friend I man a Linux helpdesk on a computer fair every year
21:16.06armijnfor LinuxMag NL...it's fun
21:16.31armijnquestions vary...
21:16.37armijn"how do I install linux"
21:16.43armijn"which linux is better, redhat or suse"
21:16.51armijn"how do I rewrite my sendmail rules to block spam"
21:17.09new2unixcool. Linux Expo is scheduled for 8-0 October at Olympia, London.
21:17.18new2unix*8-9
21:17.45new2unix...that reminds me.
21:18.29new2unixmsg zachary what plans have been made for this years Linux Expo at Olympia regarding the GLLUG stand?
21:18.40armijnheh
21:18.51armijnforgetting a / can be so inconvenient...
21:18.53new2unixwhoops!. somebody forgot to ad a leading slash. hah
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21:30.29Wethrinhm.
21:30.47WethrinThe sketch currently on Parsons & Naylor is one that we saw recorded last week.
21:31.16stephenindeed
21:31.35stephenwas much funnier when we were there
21:31.55WethrinYes.
21:31.57stephenand when will they stop all the lack of train jokes
21:32.02WethrinIt's *far* better IRL
21:33.17armijnand memorize it
21:33.24armijnso he can spoil it for us all when we see it on TV
21:33.45armijnI'd do that...
21:34.00stephenaye, I might spend a day in London upgrading kernels etc. and go see P & N in the evening or something
21:34.11WethrinHeh.
21:34.30WethrinI'll be around at Uni. But I think they finish recording the series this month.
21:34.48WethrinI'll go next series
21:37.16armijnwell, beddie time
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21:42.46stephanbyep me too
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22:27.49gregjhttp://frodo.wsa.edu.pl/~raver/russian_linux.jpg
22:31.17WethrinBedtime.
22:31.22WethrinDobranoc.
22:34.11gregjWethrin: dobranoc :D
22:34.17gregjdan
22:34.18gregj:D
22:45.04JDsorry Wethrin needed a mac osx user
22:45.08JDfound my nswer
22:53.53Leedswoo... incoming expenses :-)
23:02.03gregj:)
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23:20.52Leedsmorning seamonstr
23:21.01seamonstrHi, Leeds  :-)
23:21.36seamonstrI'm moving back to the uk in the not too distant future, so I'm seeing what's what with lugs and things.
23:21.44Leedsah
23:22.09LeedsLondon, I assume
23:22.34seamonstrYes.  It was going to be Bristol, but I've got work in London.
23:22.50seamonstrChanging country is difficult enough without not having a job to go to.  :-)
23:23.10Leedsthere is that :-)
23:23.25seamonstrAre you part of the GLLUG?
23:23.41JDsounds like some evil organisation
23:23.56Leedsyes... and JD: yes
23:24.22seamonstrGrand Lack Lustre Uber Gods
23:24.27seamonstrOr something
23:24.46LeedsGood Lord Lots of Ugly Geeks?
23:24.53seamonstrHa!  :-)
23:25.30seamonstrWhat is the IT industry like in the UK (London, specifically) now?  I haven't been there since 98.
23:26.47Leedswell... I don't work in London... and I like to argue that I don't really work in the IT industry as such
23:27.06seamonstrOh?  What do you do?
23:27.19Leedssoftware development... :-)
23:27.50seamonstrWell, that's what I do - how do mean that it's not in the industry?
23:29.15Leedsto me... I tend to think of IT as being inhouse stuff, not development of off-the-shelf products
23:30.06LeedsI know, it's picky...
23:30.44seamonstrHmmm.  I've always used "IT" as an umbrella term to refer to the whole industry.  Anyway, I work for a software development house, too.  How are things looking, then?
23:31.06Leedsreasonably good for me...
23:31.14Leedsnot so great in general, I think
23:31.23JDabout right
23:31.45seamonstrWhat sector are you in?
23:32.12Leedswho, me?
23:32.33seamonstrYou.  JD.  Either.  :-D
23:32.43Leedsdunno how you'd define it sector-wise...
23:32.59Leedsyou may have heard of my employer (and my previous employer, for that matter :-)
23:33.09seamonstrPossibly...
23:33.35Leedsboth... Unix companies
23:33.52Leedsboth... 3-letter names
23:34.03seamonstrI have a friend in Leeds who was laid off not too long ago.  He wasn't a Unix guy, so it's not you.  :-)
23:34.12Leedsboth... starting with S
23:34.28seamonstrGod, are you a SCO demon?
23:34.53Leedswell... I'm not sure how to take that question
23:34.59seamonstrThat must make you popular at the meetings.  :-)
23:35.17seamonstrLightly!  I'm joking
23:35.35Leedsthey're not my current employer
23:35.50LeedsI never worked for Caldera - the company currently known as The SCO Group
23:35.53LeedsI worked for SCO
23:36.01seamonstrAh - the original?
23:36.13Leedsyes
23:36.15seamonstrIn dev?
23:36.28Leedsyes
23:36.41seamonstrWhen was that?  And who are you currently with, then?
23:36.54Leedshow many other 3-letter starts-with-S Unix companies can you think of?
23:37.09Leedsthey laid me off 3.something years back
23:37.10JDsgi?
23:37.12seamonstrNone.  :-)  Or I woudn't be asking.
23:37.14LeedsJD: shush
23:37.18JDsorry
23:37.20seamonstrAh!  Them!
23:37.39Leedswho, SGI? nope... I intend to have a job 6 months from now
23:38.04seamonstrOh.  :-(  We're up to 3 SXX companies now.
23:38.21Leedsand the 3rd is?
23:38.34seamonstrWell, SCO, SGI and whoever you work for
23:38.44Leedswho is?
23:38.49seamonstrI dunno!
23:38.59seamonstrTell me- I'll send you a cheque.
23:39.01Leedslet me put it this way... name Unix companies...
23:39.12JDstanford university network
23:39.19LeedsJD: shush!
23:39.36seamonstrAh.  You work for sun microsystems.
23:39.43JDLeeds: look he clearly isn't going to get it without some help
23:39.44Leedsand it's networking, I think
23:39.46seamonstrme == not bright.
23:39.46Leedsseamonstr: yes
23:39.52Leedsseamonstr: yes :-)
23:40.12seamonstrI'm terrible at scrabble, too.  :-)
23:40.16Leedsme too...
23:40.49seamonstrSo what side?  Solaris?  Apps?  Java?
23:41.01LeedsSolaris engineering
23:41.07JDLeeds: sorry
23:41.25seamonstrNice one.  I thought their dev was done in the US.  Are you in leeds?
23:41.38Leedsnope, live in London, work in Watford
23:41.54Leedsmost engineering is in the US, but there are pockets elsewhere
23:42.07seamonstrRight.  How about you, JD?  How are you getting on in these troubled times?
23:42.27JDworking for a neighbour but will be leaving in 12months time
23:42.40seamonstrGoing to?
23:43.35JDuniversity
23:43.45seamonstrJust in case somebody thinks I'm an agent for the RIAA, I work for Peregrine Systems in Canada.  Moving back to England in January.
23:44.23JDseamonstr: damn I was just about to hire someone to kill you
23:44.55seamonstrWheee, dinner time!  ttyl
23:45.18gregjpergrine - is it something in french ? :>
23:45.23gregjperegrine
23:45.51seamonstrNo, it's "bloody great big bird" in English :-D
23:54.23Leedshmm...
23:54.39Leedsmy ADSL should have gone down on Tuesday... it's Friday (morning) and it's still up :-)

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