01:19.20 | Tarragon | Yes. PCB compounds |
01:19.34 | Tarragon | Sorry wrong channel |
05:08.26 | new2unix | moin all |
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08:35.40 | zachary | moin |
08:37.29 | Tarragon | Moin zachary |
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10:11.07 | cup | hgfh |
10:26.49 | Tarragon | Gesundheit! |
11:18.30 | Wethrin | Morning |
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11:54.10 | Wethrin | Hi |
11:54.34 | StarGate | hi |
11:54.47 | StarGate | a friend told me that i maybe get here some help with postfix on linux ? |
11:55.22 | Wethrin | Erm. Possibly, although I'm not sure who here runs postfix |
11:56.02 | StarGate | heheh ok...so to anyone in here : who could help me with postfix maybe ? |
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12:56.44 | Leeds | afternoon |
12:57.08 | unix4life | leeds: arvo to you sir |
12:58.42 | unix4life | network's gone tits up. Been on da phone all morning talking to 'support'. Still havent found the problem and MD's and staff arent pleased (obviously) |
12:59.23 | Leeds | :-( |
13:01.54 | unix4life | ...and i have a Palm m130 to configure with outlook for one of the MD's. what a fun day today. :) |
13:02.07 | Leeds | :-( :-( |
13:08.34 | nasrat | Leeds: pine? |
13:09.33 | unix4life | ...at least with *nix you have logs to browse through. Event viewer, OTOH is a joke. |
13:10.58 | Leeds | nasrat: that's the one, yes |
13:12.40 | unix4life | seeya guys. am off to mend the shattered windows. lol |
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14:05.52 | axelS | hi Stargate |
14:06.31 | StarGate | heya axelS |
14:08.21 | axelS | anybody alive in this channel? :) |
14:08.51 | Leeds | nope |
14:08.58 | axelS | ;) |
14:09.01 | Leeds | plenty of us dead and still moving... |
14:09.01 | axelS | hi Leedds |
14:09.05 | axelS | leeds* |
14:10.18 | Leeds | so, StarGate... hi |
14:10.47 | axelS | hmm |
14:10.50 | axelS | Ralf? |
14:11.59 | axelS | oh well |
14:19.43 | Leeds | scared him off |
14:23.31 | StarGate | nah im busy |
14:23.37 | StarGate | still @ work |
14:23.41 | StarGate | just a moment ladies :P |
14:39.17 | StarGate | ok, i have a prob with postfix...so with who could i talk about it ? |
14:42.46 | StarGate | hello ? |
14:42.58 | Tarragon | Well ask away - someone may know the answer |
14:45.00 | StarGate | ok i have set in the main.cf the body_checks and header_checks like (body_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/body_chk.regexp) and now it seems that he simply ignores the rules i have set in these files |
14:45.59 | StarGate | i have wrote some shit into the destination file to test if the syntax is maybe wrong and he showed me an error then..so i could say he definitly passes the mail through the rules but he ignores them |
14:46.40 | StarGate | i have i.e. set a rule to check the subject ( if subject something with = VIAGRA then reject ) but overall delivers the mail |
14:47.54 | StarGate | i should tell that its and older postfix version from the Suse Email Server III so version should be <2 |
14:48.22 | Leeds | I have no idea about postfix - I'm not ignoring you... I just have nothing to say :-) |
14:48.34 | StarGate | *g* hehe ok |
14:48.38 | StarGate | maybe someone else |
14:49.02 | cup | little from column A, a little from column B |
14:49.24 | StarGate | ? |
14:49.25 | Leeds | I think there is at least one postfix-using regular around here, but maybe not during the day |
14:50.35 | StarGate | so patient is a must.... |
14:52.26 | Tarragon | so what is the rule you are trying to test? Something like /VIAGRA/REJECT viagra body rule1 |
14:53.46 | StarGate | ./VIAGRA/ REJECT Keep your Spam | is one line of it yes |
14:53.58 | StarGate | without the point on the beginning of course |
14:54.29 | Tarragon | Did the "Keep your Spam" end in the log file? |
14:54.45 | StarGate | nope that is the thing makes me wonder |
14:55.33 | StarGate | but when i enter something like /^*VIAGRA/ REJECT blah he gives me an error like wrong syntax in line 3 |
14:55.46 | StarGate | so i think the syntax is right |
14:56.23 | Tarragon | Only where VIAGRA appears in the body. Header checks have a different syntax |
14:56.31 | StarGate | i know |
14:57.42 | StarGate | in the mime_header_check i have something like : /name=[^>]*\.(bat|exe)/ REJECT blah |
14:58.55 | Tarragon | So the rule and main.cf lines appear fine. What happens if you change the main.cf pathing to say postfix/maps/body_check and rename the rule file? |
14:59.27 | StarGate | dunno let me try... |
15:01.48 | formi | StarGate: if you are using postfix 2, there is large file at http://www.securitysage.com/files/body_checks |
15:02.01 | formi | with plenty of examples |
15:02.22 | StarGate | i know i got all the syntax from there |
15:03.26 | formi | im using only their mime_check rules |
15:03.33 | StarGate | i overall dunno how to check wich version i do have....always get version number desc like 20011201 |
15:03.58 | formi | that is post 1 probably |
15:03.59 | Tarragon | Excellent site. Now added to bookmarks. :-) |
15:04.08 | StarGate | heheh |
15:04.22 | StarGate | anyway Tarragon...same result like before |
15:04.30 | StarGate | he still passes the email through |
15:05.19 | StarGate | an log says nothing about a error |
15:05.52 | formi | StarGate: which distro are you using? |
15:06.01 | StarGate | SuSE email Server III |
15:07.30 | formi | i doubt they are using postfix 2 |
15:07.38 | StarGate | me too |
15:08.05 | formi | and there is a bit warning on the securitysage page about being only for postfix 2 |
15:08.08 | StarGate | its kinda old...but dont say i should update...that will be 100 pro a pain in the a** |
15:08.47 | formi | s/bit/big |
15:09.02 | formi | oh no im not gonna recommend an update |
15:09.43 | formi | i actually got asked to implement it, that was before I come up with the price of it |
15:09.46 | StarGate | i dunno really what to do...i mean im not stupid in linux |
15:10.00 | StarGate | but this is really weird |
15:10.02 | StarGate | heheh |
15:10.04 | formi | keep googling |
15:11.20 | Tarragon | On a google someone reports the pipe(8) does not have the q flag set |
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15:23.24 | Tarragon | Only other thing I can find is the SuSE security announcement SuSE-SA:2003:033 for postfix |
15:26.56 | StarGate| | forget it i got the prob |
15:27.57 | StarGate| | the thing is that when you type something after the word REJECT @ postfix 1 it must be a regular predefinied rule !! so when i write REJECT keep your spam postfix doesnt know what to do with it and then ignores this line ! |
15:28.57 | StarGate| | now i have millions of reject lines :) |
15:29.01 | StarGate| | in the log |
15:39.45 | Jenson | heya |
16:00.56 | Jenson | yay ive finally found which site i put my CV on, and next time i really will save it on a disk before i corrupt my install |
16:03.19 | Jenson | gotta fgo |
16:03.20 | Jenson | BBL |
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17:29.22 | JD | Wethrin: ping |
17:33.47 | gregj | pong |
17:33.49 | gregj | :] |
17:34.13 | JD | ffs doesn't anyon know their own nick? |
17:34.39 | gregj | :( |
17:35.06 | Leeds | you talking to me? |
17:58.04 | Wethrin | JD: pong |
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18:23.22 | Wethrin | Oh well. I'm off for a bit. |
18:23.28 | Wethrin | Back in an hour or so |
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18:35.15 | Jenson|Away | eveniing guys |
18:39.53 | Jenson|Away | bloody wather |
18:56.10 | new2unix | its amazing how a simple patch cable, fitted yonks back, can manage to fsck up an entire network. |
18:56.33 | Jenson | heh |
18:56.54 | new2unix | leeds: i got it sorted at the eleventh hour. D'oh |
18:58.08 | Jenson | http://www.bash.org/?104052 |
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19:44.06 | Jenson | heya Leeds |
19:47.22 | Leeds | greetings |
20:25.03 | gregj | :D |
20:25.37 | Wethrin | :) |
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20:33.54 | armijn | 'lo |
20:35.12 | Wethrin | 'lo |
20:35.29 | armijn | I spent debugging GNOME 2.4 packages today |
20:35.36 | armijn | downloaded the tarballs |
20:35.40 | armijn | and for each tarball: |
20:35.53 | armijn | ehrm, rephrase |
20:35.59 | armijn | for i in tarballs: |
20:36.06 | armijn | <PROTECTED> |
20:36.35 | armijn | quite a few packages barfed |
20:36.49 | armijn | sent in 10 or 12 bugreports, few patches, all very trivial |
20:36.58 | armijn | it's the dilemma of software makers |
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20:37.27 | armijn | users won't start using a program until it's "stable" (and find bugs then) |
20:37.32 | new2unix | Leeds: you wouldnt believe what the problem was, we were having this afternoon when the network went tits up. |
20:37.45 | armijn | but developers can't make a program stable until lots of bugs are solved |
20:38.30 | stephanb | new2unix: "I want to believe" (then sing the X-Files tune) |
20:38.50 | Wethrin | Do an Open-source thing. Keep everything at version 0.9* :) |
20:38.56 | new2unix | stephanb: i dont know the x-files tune. |
20:39.06 | Wethrin | Dum dum dum |
20:39.39 | new2unix | Wethrin: you are humming out of tune. hah |
20:39.55 | Wethrin | Bah. |
20:40.23 | new2unix | Wethrin: have you be skipping music classes? |
20:40.36 | Wethrin | Oh yes. |
20:40.57 | stephanb | http://www.btinternet.com/~tv_timewarp/x-files/theme_tune.htm |
20:41.16 | stephanb | it's midi, you'll need timidity++ to play back |
20:41.45 | new2unix | stephanb: how's immanuel and his W&G cd's? |
20:41.55 | new2unix | i'm sure you said you'll mail me one. |
20:42.26 | stephanb | new2unix: gosh you're gonna kill me |
20:42.40 | new2unix | stephanb: you dont say? |
20:43.19 | stephanb | new2unix: he moved house and I forgot |
20:44.02 | new2unix | stephanb: its alright. there's no rush. |
20:44.29 | stephanb | new2unix: that's it written on my XPads |
20:44.48 | Wethrin | You have adverts for XP? |
20:45.03 | new2unix | ibot xpad |
20:45.04 | | bugger all, i dunno, new2unix |
20:45.29 | stephanb | new2unix: XPad = post-it notes for your desktop |
20:46.06 | stephanb | http://xpad.sourceforge.net/news |
20:47.09 | new2unix | stephanb: hope you dont write your passwords on an xpad. hah |
20:48.09 | stephanb | no, i'm paranoid |
20:51.11 | new2unix | stephanb: that would be like locking your keys in the car, locking your 3yrd old in as well. While the mother is looking on in utter rage. |
20:56.13 | stephanb | new2unix: considered kodak DX ? |
20:59.00 | new2unix | stephanb: i've seen the Canon G3 and its the one i want. due to its hefty price tag, there's a mini battle going on between my Wants and my Needs. I think my Wants are winning. :) |
20:59.39 | armijn | I've got a Canon Powershot A70...but today I saw an A80 |
20:59.54 | armijn | it's so much nicer... |
21:00.02 | armijn | (well, everything is relative) |
21:00.46 | new2unix | yeah. mine is between an A80 and a G3. dunno if i should get an A80 and spend the rest on addons. |
21:01.03 | armijn | like memory ;-) |
21:01.16 | new2unix | yep. and spare battery. |
21:01.42 | new2unix | and DiskSpace for archiving :) |
21:02.30 | armijn | hmm, it's very hard to throw pictures away...at least, for me :) |
21:02.58 | armijn | and no, they are all decent pictures...of geeks and bumblebees and stuff |
21:05.00 | new2unix | got a site up for your fav pics yet? |
21:05.37 | stephanb | armijn: cd-rom ? dvd-rom ? |
21:06.55 | armijn | stephanb: harddisk for the moment |
21:06.59 | armijn | new2unix: not yet |
21:07.28 | new2unix | armijn: whats the price difference between the A70 and the A80? youre in the UK, right? |
21:08.01 | armijn | new2unix: nope, I'm a Euroboy |
21:08.11 | new2unix | Belgian? |
21:08.22 | armijn | new2unix: Dutch ;-) |
21:08.38 | armijn | the webshop I usually shop the difference is EUR 25 |
21:08.50 | armijn | so that's not too bad... |
21:09.33 | new2unix | Why are prices in the Continent so much cheaper than ones here in the UK? |
21:09.54 | armijn | are they? |
21:10.03 | armijn | with techstuff I mean... |
21:11.24 | new2unix | yeah. much much cheaper. |
21:15.23 | new2unix | armijn: the computer fairs are quite good for bargain hunters. but thats for comp hardware only. |
21:15.38 | armijn | and Linux helpdesks... |
21:16.00 | armijn | with a friend I man a Linux helpdesk on a computer fair every year |
21:16.06 | armijn | for LinuxMag NL...it's fun |
21:16.31 | armijn | questions vary... |
21:16.37 | armijn | "how do I install linux" |
21:16.43 | armijn | "which linux is better, redhat or suse" |
21:16.51 | armijn | "how do I rewrite my sendmail rules to block spam" |
21:17.09 | new2unix | cool. Linux Expo is scheduled for 8-0 October at Olympia, London. |
21:17.18 | new2unix | *8-9 |
21:17.45 | new2unix | ...that reminds me. |
21:18.29 | new2unix | msg zachary what plans have been made for this years Linux Expo at Olympia regarding the GLLUG stand? |
21:18.40 | armijn | heh |
21:18.51 | armijn | forgetting a / can be so inconvenient... |
21:18.53 | new2unix | whoops!. somebody forgot to ad a leading slash. hah |
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21:30.29 | Wethrin | hm. |
21:30.47 | Wethrin | The sketch currently on Parsons & Naylor is one that we saw recorded last week. |
21:31.16 | stephen | indeed |
21:31.35 | stephen | was much funnier when we were there |
21:31.55 | Wethrin | Yes. |
21:31.57 | stephen | and when will they stop all the lack of train jokes |
21:32.02 | Wethrin | It's *far* better IRL |
21:33.17 | armijn | and memorize it |
21:33.24 | armijn | so he can spoil it for us all when we see it on TV |
21:33.45 | armijn | I'd do that... |
21:34.00 | stephen | aye, I might spend a day in London upgrading kernels etc. and go see P & N in the evening or something |
21:34.11 | Wethrin | Heh. |
21:34.30 | Wethrin | I'll be around at Uni. But I think they finish recording the series this month. |
21:34.48 | Wethrin | I'll go next series |
21:37.16 | armijn | well, beddie time |
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21:42.46 | stephanb | yep me too |
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22:27.49 | gregj | http://frodo.wsa.edu.pl/~raver/russian_linux.jpg |
22:31.17 | Wethrin | Bedtime. |
22:31.22 | Wethrin | Dobranoc. |
22:34.11 | gregj | Wethrin: dobranoc :D |
22:34.17 | gregj | dan |
22:34.18 | gregj | :D |
22:45.04 | JD | sorry Wethrin needed a mac osx user |
22:45.08 | JD | found my nswer |
22:53.53 | Leeds | woo... incoming expenses :-) |
23:02.03 | gregj | :) |
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23:20.52 | Leeds | morning seamonstr |
23:21.01 | seamonstr | Hi, Leeds :-) |
23:21.36 | seamonstr | I'm moving back to the uk in the not too distant future, so I'm seeing what's what with lugs and things. |
23:21.44 | Leeds | ah |
23:22.09 | Leeds | London, I assume |
23:22.34 | seamonstr | Yes. It was going to be Bristol, but I've got work in London. |
23:22.50 | seamonstr | Changing country is difficult enough without not having a job to go to. :-) |
23:23.10 | Leeds | there is that :-) |
23:23.25 | seamonstr | Are you part of the GLLUG? |
23:23.41 | JD | sounds like some evil organisation |
23:23.56 | Leeds | yes... and JD: yes |
23:24.22 | seamonstr | Grand Lack Lustre Uber Gods |
23:24.27 | seamonstr | Or something |
23:24.46 | Leeds | Good Lord Lots of Ugly Geeks? |
23:24.53 | seamonstr | Ha! :-) |
23:25.30 | seamonstr | What is the IT industry like in the UK (London, specifically) now? I haven't been there since 98. |
23:26.47 | Leeds | well... I don't work in London... and I like to argue that I don't really work in the IT industry as such |
23:27.06 | seamonstr | Oh? What do you do? |
23:27.19 | Leeds | software development... :-) |
23:27.50 | seamonstr | Well, that's what I do - how do mean that it's not in the industry? |
23:29.15 | Leeds | to me... I tend to think of IT as being inhouse stuff, not development of off-the-shelf products |
23:30.06 | Leeds | I know, it's picky... |
23:30.44 | seamonstr | Hmmm. I've always used "IT" as an umbrella term to refer to the whole industry. Anyway, I work for a software development house, too. How are things looking, then? |
23:31.06 | Leeds | reasonably good for me... |
23:31.14 | Leeds | not so great in general, I think |
23:31.23 | JD | about right |
23:31.45 | seamonstr | What sector are you in? |
23:32.12 | Leeds | who, me? |
23:32.33 | seamonstr | You. JD. Either. :-D |
23:32.43 | Leeds | dunno how you'd define it sector-wise... |
23:32.59 | Leeds | you may have heard of my employer (and my previous employer, for that matter :-) |
23:33.09 | seamonstr | Possibly... |
23:33.35 | Leeds | both... Unix companies |
23:33.52 | Leeds | both... 3-letter names |
23:34.03 | seamonstr | I have a friend in Leeds who was laid off not too long ago. He wasn't a Unix guy, so it's not you. :-) |
23:34.12 | Leeds | both... starting with S |
23:34.28 | seamonstr | God, are you a SCO demon? |
23:34.53 | Leeds | well... I'm not sure how to take that question |
23:34.59 | seamonstr | That must make you popular at the meetings. :-) |
23:35.17 | seamonstr | Lightly! I'm joking |
23:35.35 | Leeds | they're not my current employer |
23:35.50 | Leeds | I never worked for Caldera - the company currently known as The SCO Group |
23:35.53 | Leeds | I worked for SCO |
23:36.01 | seamonstr | Ah - the original? |
23:36.13 | Leeds | yes |
23:36.15 | seamonstr | In dev? |
23:36.28 | Leeds | yes |
23:36.41 | seamonstr | When was that? And who are you currently with, then? |
23:36.54 | Leeds | how many other 3-letter starts-with-S Unix companies can you think of? |
23:37.09 | Leeds | they laid me off 3.something years back |
23:37.10 | JD | sgi? |
23:37.12 | seamonstr | None. :-) Or I woudn't be asking. |
23:37.14 | Leeds | JD: shush |
23:37.18 | JD | sorry |
23:37.20 | seamonstr | Ah! Them! |
23:37.39 | Leeds | who, SGI? nope... I intend to have a job 6 months from now |
23:38.04 | seamonstr | Oh. :-( We're up to 3 SXX companies now. |
23:38.21 | Leeds | and the 3rd is? |
23:38.34 | seamonstr | Well, SCO, SGI and whoever you work for |
23:38.44 | Leeds | who is? |
23:38.49 | seamonstr | I dunno! |
23:38.59 | seamonstr | Tell me- I'll send you a cheque. |
23:39.01 | Leeds | let me put it this way... name Unix companies... |
23:39.12 | JD | stanford university network |
23:39.19 | Leeds | JD: shush! |
23:39.36 | seamonstr | Ah. You work for sun microsystems. |
23:39.43 | JD | Leeds: look he clearly isn't going to get it without some help |
23:39.44 | Leeds | and it's networking, I think |
23:39.46 | seamonstr | me == not bright. |
23:39.46 | Leeds | seamonstr: yes |
23:39.52 | Leeds | seamonstr: yes :-) |
23:40.12 | seamonstr | I'm terrible at scrabble, too. :-) |
23:40.16 | Leeds | me too... |
23:40.49 | seamonstr | So what side? Solaris? Apps? Java? |
23:41.01 | Leeds | Solaris engineering |
23:41.07 | JD | Leeds: sorry |
23:41.25 | seamonstr | Nice one. I thought their dev was done in the US. Are you in leeds? |
23:41.38 | Leeds | nope, live in London, work in Watford |
23:41.54 | Leeds | most engineering is in the US, but there are pockets elsewhere |
23:42.07 | seamonstr | Right. How about you, JD? How are you getting on in these troubled times? |
23:42.27 | JD | working for a neighbour but will be leaving in 12months time |
23:42.40 | seamonstr | Going to? |
23:43.35 | JD | university |
23:43.45 | seamonstr | Just in case somebody thinks I'm an agent for the RIAA, I work for Peregrine Systems in Canada. Moving back to England in January. |
23:44.23 | JD | seamonstr: damn I was just about to hire someone to kill you |
23:44.55 | seamonstr | Wheee, dinner time! ttyl |
23:45.18 | gregj | pergrine - is it something in french ? :> |
23:45.23 | gregj | peregrine |
23:45.51 | seamonstr | No, it's "bloody great big bird" in English :-D |
23:54.23 | Leeds | hmm... |
23:54.39 | Leeds | my ADSL should have gone down on Tuesday... it's Friday (morning) and it's still up :-) |