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00:20.51*** join/#gllug formi (~formi@213.152.57.250)
00:20.58formiboas
00:21.35formihad something funny happened to me a few min ago
08:02.03JD_hi all
08:02.08JD_hmmm
08:02.15JDahh
08:02.15nasratmorning JD
08:03.10Jenson|Awayhiya JD
08:03.17Jenson|Awayhiya nasrat
08:05.21JDhi all
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14:09.20zacharyafternoon formi
14:10.34formihello
14:11.21zacharyhow's things?
14:12.39formia bit boring
14:12.58formiim trying to crack my own wireless network
14:14.51formii don't know if im doing something wrong but airsnort is not helping much
14:17.05zacharyI know what you mean. I ended up buying a netgear ap and their 401 card. The funny thing is, I can't get suse to configure the netgear card(works fine with knoppix) but my oronico gold card works fine.
14:18.06formido you know what chipset the netgear uses
14:18.07formi?
14:18.30zacharybolth use prism2.
14:19.21formiare you using the linux-wlan drivers
14:20.04new2unixformi: have you tried http://www.dachb0den.com/projects/bsd-airtools.html
14:20.15new2unixhi zachary, formi and others
14:20.21zacharyhey new2unix
14:20.46new2unixformi: here's another: http://www.networkintrusion.co.uk/wireless.htm
14:21.41formiim using redhat for the nifty stuff
14:21.49zacharyformi orinoco_cs
14:22.03new2unixformi: thought you had a BSD box about.
14:22.07formihave you tried wlanfe ?
14:22.36formithe wireless ap, is an old laptop running openbsd on ap mode
14:23.32formihttp://formi.sdf-eu.org/photos/wirelap.jpg
14:24.07new2unixformi: cool. perhaps we can talk on that at a future GLLUG meet. "using *nix for fun and pleasure"
14:25.23formiif you have the right card, it's dead easy
14:25.31formiactually 2 lines
14:26.47formi# cat /etc/hostname.wi0                                                                                                                                        
14:26.48formiinet 172.20.0.5 255.255.0.0
14:26.48forminwid formi mediaopt hostap
14:26.48formi!wicontrol \$if -t 5 -P 1 -e 1 -k
14:26.49new2unixyeah i know. but many people dont. Perhaps we can gather round a few nifty projects together and dedicate a gllug meet to discussing and setting them up. we could talk about their pros and cons and stuff.
14:27.23formithere are many projects
14:27.40formiif people are not prepared to look around is their problem
14:28.51new2unixbut how are they to know if there arent people to advocate. Its similar to linux. no publicity is no userbase.
14:29.59formithere is no worst blind man that the one who doesn't want to see
14:30.30new2unixbtw. who's ana.jpg ?
14:32.34formia friend
14:34.03new2unixzachary: want to play? lol
14:34.10new2unixJ/K
14:34.14formiim busy
14:36.07zacharybbl, going to hunt down food.
15:25.27*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@modem-20.angrist.dialup.pol.co.uk)
15:38.54zacharyi'm back
16:11.38WethrinHello
16:12.50zacharyhey Wethrin
16:13.09WethrinHow goes?
16:13.44zacharypretty good. A little behind in studies.
16:13.48zacharyu
16:14.54WethrinMm. I just got back from a concert
16:17.23WethrinSpent just over £50 on CDs.
16:17.25WethrinEep.
16:17.38gregjziaw
16:23.16WethrinBut they're good CDs :)
16:47.26JDsaved 110GBP :)
16:47.48WethrinGood :)
16:47.52WethrinWhere did you get them from?
16:48.22JDshop in cambridge
16:48.47WethrinDiscount shop?
16:49.48JDyep
16:50.10JDstuff seemed to be slightly dammaged but nothing bad
16:50.24WethrinSounds good :)
16:50.32WethrinI'm listening to Dead Ringers Series 8.
16:58.32*** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@195.137.116.73)
16:58.43WethrinAfternoon Paul
16:59.17cupisEvening. :)
17:01.49JDoh so it is
17:01.55JDwhat a waste of a day
17:02.02WethrinI had music.
17:02.04WethrinHah.
17:52.43*** join/#gllug newbiewankenobe (~chatzilla@bts-0145.dialup.zetnet.co.uk)
18:19.08JDty
19:04.23*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@modem-4.anduin.dialup.pol.co.uk)
19:05.15Leedsso, how's everyone doing?
19:06.06Leedsor, indeed... anyone?
19:06.53JDhttp://www.clga.net/files/badger.swf
19:08.08Leeds13%...
19:08.17JDmake sure you have sound
19:08.17stephenoh no, not that badger one again, it did the rounds of Quakenet about a week ago
19:08.47JDstephen: sorry
19:08.52stephennp :p
19:08.55*** join/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-215-188.access.uk.tiscali.com)
19:09.11stephenit was actually quite funny the first time I saw it
19:09.46Leeds55%
19:10.47stephanbLeeds: dialup is absolutely fine for irc
19:10.53stephenI went from 10Mbps to 28.8kbps for the summer, it wasn't a pleasant experience :p
19:11.59Leedsstephanb: sure... but not at the same time as reading a number of websites and downloading some flash thin
19:11.59stephanbstephen: enjoy the weather, go to the park, do some yoga !
19:12.18stephanbLeeds: do you really *need* to read them ?
19:12.55Leedsstephanb: wtf are you talking about?
19:13.11JDit is fine for irc unless you download at the same time
19:13.26Leedsdoes this thing do anything except a load of badgers, a mushroom and a snake?
19:14.00JDLeeds: don't know
19:14.03stephenLeeds: no
19:14.07JDhaven;t seem anything yet
19:14.36stephenit's worth watching more for its 'cult' value than anything else
19:14.44Leedsbah cult value
19:14.56Leedsat least the kittens are funny :-)
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19:24.38*** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@wibbleworld.demon.co.uk)
19:24.42CopeEvening
20:37.23CopeBoo!
21:18.47WethrinEek!
21:20.15stephanbNi!
21:20.29WethrinIT!
21:22.26CopeWoo
21:23.24WethrinEasy stuff.
21:23.35CopeMy 2nd time.
21:23.59CopeAnd only time I've tried replacing a kernel!
21:24.33Wethrin:)
21:25.01CopeWhat's the differnece between bximage and vmlinuz?
21:25.08WethrinThe spelling.
21:25.29CopeSo I could do make dep && make clean wibblewobble
21:25.42WethrinUnix used to have (still does?) the kernel file called vmunix
21:25.52Wethrinvmlinux was a play on that
21:26.02Wethrinvmlinuz is the gzip compressed version
21:26.25CopeAh - and bz being.... bz
21:27.31WethrinYeh.
21:28.24CopeWell... I got the source, untarred it, did make menuconfig, added what I wanted, and did make dep && make clean bzimage
21:28.57CopeHmm... does make menuconfig do the same as make oldconfig - ie takes your current kernel as the basis of the new one?
21:29.01Wethrinmake mrproper menuconfig dep bzImage modules modules_install
21:29.14WethrinNo, it takes an existing .config file
21:29.24CopeHmm
21:30.08CopeFrom the src or from /boot?
21:30.20WethrinFrom /usr/src/linux/.config
21:30.29murbleWethrin: bz not being bz
21:30.35murblebz being big
21:30.38murbleand gzip
21:30.42WethrinAhh.yes.sorry.
21:30.59CopeHmm - I didn't have a /usr/src/linuz
21:31.04CopeHmm - I didn't have a /usr/src/linux even
21:31.18WethrinThe last kernel I compiled was a few months ago for a UML system
21:31.34CopeWho is mrproper anyway?
21:31.37Cope:o)
21:31.47WethrinHusband of mrsproper
21:33.37CopeOk - so I have copied bzImage to /boot - shall I try to reboot, having inserted a grub floppy?
21:33.45JDit is from a scandinavian cleaning product
21:33.56JDthink mr muscle
21:34.10WethrinHeh.
21:34.33CopeOkay... here goes :-)
21:37.19*** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@wibbleworld.demon.co.uk)
21:37.21CopeWOOT!
21:38.58WethrinIt w0rk3d?
21:39.23CopeIt did :-)
21:39.37WethrinI don't see any differencve :-P
21:39.41Wethrin-v
21:39.48CopeSO was that .config file a generic one shipped with the kernel?
21:39.57CopeOr did it take my last one?
21:40.06WethrinDunno
21:40.29WethrinRAF bands++
21:44.43CopeBah - the whole point of the uprgade was to have modules available for my zaurus - I built them into the kernel itself, which doesn't seem to help.
21:44.54CopeRather than have them as modules.
21:45.57WethrinMoon on a stick, some people want
21:50.56Wethrinhe appears to be unsummonable
21:51.34stephanbmmmmkay everybody, im off
21:51.37Wethrin'night
21:51.37CopeNN
21:52.06*** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-215-188.access.uk.tiscali.com)
21:57.48CopeOk - so where do I find the place to insert the idVendor and idProduct in menuconfig?
21:57.55Cope(recompiling)
21:58.08Wethrinit's in the Makefile, somewhere, isn't it?
22:01.20CopeI'm not sure... well, I'll just keep hacking about and see what happens.
22:06.05WethrinYes
22:06.06Wethrin:)
22:07.37WethrinHeh.
22:07.58CopeI was given a few games, so installed XP Pro.
22:08.29Cope*BSD for you, these days, Wethrin?
22:08.42WethrinIndeed. OS X, specifically
22:08.50CopeNice nice.
22:08.55WethrinYup
22:09.58CopeSo what does make mrproper do anyway? I didn't do it last time or this time?
22:10.35stephenI intend to play around with *BSD when I can get some spare hardware, cos I daren't interrupt my house's internet connection by playing with out OpenBSD router :P
22:13.37CopeOk - 2nd try
22:16.33WethrinFine
22:16.35*** part/#gllug Wethrin (~ecoli@64.246.28.105)
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22:27.00*** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@wibbleworld.demon.co.uk)
22:27.04Wethrinwb
22:27.15Copety
22:27.20CopeCracked it :o)
22:27.29JDcan you repair it?
22:27.35Cope1) Had a conflicting usbnet driver
22:27.41JDbed
22:27.46Wethrinnn
22:27.51Cope2) Needed to be a module not built into kernel
22:27.54Copen jd
22:29.38Copevi /etc/hotplug/usb/usbnet
22:29.42CopeBah
22:30.25Cope#! /bin/bash
22:30.28CopeBAH BAH!
22:30.35CopeOk - try using the right terminal.
22:30.38Wethrin:)
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23:15.54CopeHello again :o)
23:16.35WethrinHello
23:16.45CopeMaking progress!
23:16.56CopeCan now ssh into the Zaurus
23:17.16CopeNow recompiling kernel again for appropriate NAT stuff
23:17.50WethrinHeh.
23:27.45WethrinEasily pleased? :)

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