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07:07.10CopeMoin
07:53.31CopeAnyone want a slice of toast?
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08:03.39CopeRelo
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08:50.14CopeHello :o)
08:50.17CopeAnyone around yet?
08:51.07TarragonNO
08:51.13Tarragon:-)
08:51.24Copelol
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09:31.22CopeHey Leeds!
09:31.26Leedsmorning
09:31.40CopeI have my pda connected to net! :o)
09:31.51Leedscool
09:32.26CopeWhat's the best way to install something that is in rpm only? I have an app I want to run that syncs the pda and desktop
09:32.40Leedskitchensync?
09:32.42Leedsmultisync?
09:33.31Copeie don't install the rpm only one?
09:33.43LeedsI don't understand
09:33.48CopeSorry
09:33.57CopeI want to install Qtopia desktop
09:33.59Leedswhat are you trying to install?
09:34.05Leedshmm...
09:34.11Leedsare you're trying to install it on?
09:34.11CopeWhich is the same as the pim software in OpenZaurus
09:34.19LeedsI know what qtopia is  :-)
09:34.29CopeBut the package is only available in rpm format.
09:34.37CopeI want to install it on my desktop
09:34.46CopeSo I can share information between pda and desktop
09:35.00Leedsyes, I know what it is
09:35.06Leedsyou're trying to install it on?
09:35.28CopeOn my desktop pc.
09:36.33CopeSo... can one convert rpm to tgz or something? What's the best way to install rpm package on a slackware system?
09:37.27nasratCope: alien maybe
09:37.45CopeAh... yeah, I've heard of alien.
09:38.28nasrator rpm2cpio and take it from there.  Else grab src.rpm and convert manually to $pkg_fmt
09:39.45Leedsrpm2cpio
09:40.37Leedsor you could just use rpm - it's normally installed on a slackware system, and --nodeps should make it install okay
09:41.59Leeds(or install rpm if you don't have it)
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10:31.29zacharymoin
10:36.33CopeHey zachary
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11:34.37gregjre
11:34.47Cope|PDAHey greg!
11:34.55gregjHi Steeev
11:36.29Cope|PDAJD about?
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11:50.50Cope|PDATest
11:50.50Leedsisn't it /window
11:50.53Leedsor something
11:51.57Cope|PDAYep - thanks Leeds.
11:52.22Cope|PDAAnyway - got pda syncing now.
11:52.41Cope|PDAHad to upgrade to glibc-2.3.2 though.
11:53.28Leedsbah binary distribution
11:53.42Leeds(probably)
11:55.02Leedsbah, I say again
11:55.14Cope|PDAbtw - www.slackware-live.org - live cd:o)
13:46.45WethrinAfternoon
13:47.45Leedsin some timezones, yes
13:49.47WethrinYes. It is in BST
13:51.19murbleit is in GMT
13:51.23murbleand UTC
13:51.32WethrinAnd CET
13:51.32murbleand CEST
13:51.52murbleWethrin: CET isn't in use at the moment :)
13:52.16WethrinYes, but it's still afternoon in that time :)
13:53.45Leedsso... how is everyone?
13:54.18WethrinMy chari has been taken over my a cat
13:54.21Wethrin*chair
13:54.35Leedsmy?
13:54.52WethrinYes. My own personal chair.
13:55.06WethrinErm.
13:55.08Wethrin*by a cat
13:56.33Leedssit on it
13:57.21WethrinI took the cat ontyo my lap, and he jumped off
13:57.52WethrinCats++
13:58.01LeedsDog++
13:58.13WethrinThat too.
13:58.22WethrinBut dogs take more looking after
13:58.48Leedsnot when he lives 200 miles away with my parents :-)
13:59.26WethrinWell....yes :)
13:59.45Leedswhich reminds me... got to book a train...
13:59.56WethrinWhere's a cheap place to buy blank CDs from?
14:01.00LeedsI think I bought my last pack at Comet
14:01.59Leedsnot that I'm saying that was cheap... but I bought a 100 pack for 25 quid or something and I've not got through it
14:18.19Leedsyou should get some sleep, you know
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14:46.35murblewell done.
14:46.44murbleWethrin: when do you start?
14:48.19Wethrin22nd September
14:49.13murblehave you selected a pub yet?
14:51.16WethrinTo be my 'regular' student haunt?
14:53.05murblewell you don't intend to waste any time studying do you?!#
14:53.21Wethrin:-p)
14:53.42WethrinThe UCL union bars are quite nice. At least the one a friend took me to a few times
15:22.26eye69My very first time driving in the UK (and right-hand drive alltogether) will be while driving a van from Woodford Green to Grays
15:23.59murblenew job?
15:24.13eye69Yes, but not doing that.
15:24.26murblewell i should be safly in .lu by then.
15:24.29eye69Moving in with a friend in Westcliff until I can afford to get a flat
15:29.54stephennot ogg?
15:30.52Leedsmore mp3 tools installed by default...
15:31.15LeedsSolaris now comes with full ogg support - she's using a managed system which is out-of-date :-(
15:31.44stephenah
15:32.07stephen:)
15:33.35Leeds"My Lord, ladies and gentlemen...  My name is Greg Dyke, and I am the director-general of the BBC..."
15:33.43gregjAND
15:33.48gregjoups
15:33.51gregjnot here :d
15:33.58LeedsXNOR
15:34.11gregjOR NOT
15:35.18gregjTO BE NULL
15:35.51Leeds2b or not 2b, that is the pencil
15:36.01gregjhyhy
15:44.01Wethrin"My name is Greg Dyke. And I am director general of the BBC. Not many people know that"
15:44.10Leedsyeah
15:44.32Leeds"Hutton - you don't get to question me - I make the rules around here.  Got that?"
15:44.44Wethrin:-)
16:02.28WethrinThey should just let Brian Perkins take care of it.
16:02.36WethrinWith his switch-blade. Ohhh yes.
16:11.35Leedsargh, trains
16:15.57WethrinYes.
16:18.10WethrinBwah. Go standard?
16:19.02Leedsbah
16:19.05Leedspossibly
16:19.15WethrinOtherwise, you're just being too rich :)
16:20.55Leedspossibly
16:22.25Leeds:-)
16:40.05JDLeeds: hi
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16:45.10Leedshi JD
17:11.39*** part/#gllug Leeds (~rc112576@beryllium.eu.sun.com)
17:11.57JDgah
17:12.24WethrinHeh.
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18:23.24JDwb
18:31.32TarragonTY
18:32.26JDhow are you?/12
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18:54.47JDLeeds: !!!
18:54.55Leedsno literally...
18:55.01Leedsno-not
18:55.04Leeds-==
19:02.29zacharyLeeds: This confirms your geekness, or level of companionship.
19:02.36Leedsboth :-(
19:05.55zacharybed of pasta, grilled chicken breast with a crab white sauce.
19:06.27Leedsisn't he Wilde?
19:10.10JDLeeds: yes but I can't type
19:31.13eye69I ordered one medium pizza and one large bottle of pepsi from pizza hut...I got one medium, one large, garlic bread with cheese and the drink...all for the original price..
19:48.12zacharygotta go. Study time. :-(
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20:04.31cozmonorthello
20:05.09JDhi
20:07.16cozmonorthi JD how r u?
20:07.53JDtrying to understand you
20:08.04cozmonort??
20:08.07JDbrb
20:08.11cozmonortk
20:09.22JDb
20:09.32cozmonortwb
20:10.35cozmonortwhere is everyone ?
20:10.57JDno idea
20:11.15cozmonortheh
20:11.32cozmonorthow was ur weekend ?
20:12.39JDcozmonort: how old are you?
20:12.51cozmonort20
20:12.56cozmonorty ?
20:13.34JDjust curious
20:13.43cozmonortk, how old r u?
20:14.32JDapparently too old
20:22.19cozmonortbbl
20:22.28cozmonortcozmonort|away
20:31.23Jensonheh, you've met who i spent my weekend with i see
20:31.47JDJenson: yes
20:32.04JDlthough I think I might have appeared slightly short with him
20:32.07Jensonand yeh, he really should learn not to use weird teenage shorthand
20:32.12Jensonlol
20:32.16Jensondont worry
20:32.22Jensonyou're more intelligent anyway :)
20:32.48JDglad it isn;t just me that gets annoyed with that sort of thing
20:33.36Jensoni hate it too, esp with text msgs
20:34.17JDit is even worse in emails or usenet postings
20:39.24JDso any ideas on sharing /home with a laptop?
20:39.37Jensonnot me
20:40.41nasratJD: automount + nis/ldap maybe.  Else a bidirectional sync tool such as unison
20:40.55JDJenson: do you have a laptop?
20:41.07JDnasrat: authentication is not a problem
20:42.07JensonJD: my mother does
20:42.40JDrunning linux?
20:43.43Jensonno lol
20:43.49JensonXP, and she wont let me near it
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20:57.51cozmonorthello
20:58.05cozmonorthi Jenson :)
20:59.56Jensonheya Leeds
20:59.58Jensonheya cozmonort
21:00.03Leedsmorning
21:00.27Jensoncozmonort: i found that site that sells that tshirt we saw, but it seems thew dont do that one anymore
21:00.53cozmonortarg, send link anyway
21:01.38cozmonortps ive also found a £5 pound mc donalds voucher
21:01.47Jensonwww.ntk.net
21:01.54Jensonfsck me, thats mine too ;lol
21:02.04cozmonortyeah hehe
21:02.18cozmonortcool looking site
21:02.25murblecozmonort: recycle it, save you soul.
21:02.30Jensonhave you found a tin of spaghetti yet, coz im surer you've got it
21:02.41Jensonunless your mother has got it
21:02.49cozmonortyeah found it
21:03.23cozmonortmurble: nah id rather go to mc donalds and ask 4 £5
21:03.35murblecozmonort: I'd rather not go near the place.
21:04.24Jensons/Burger
21:05.02cozmonorthehe
21:07.46cozmonortive decided im going to try some other distros ive found on my LinuxFormat mags
21:08.43Jensonyeh
21:08.43Jensontry debian
21:09.11Jensonthe mandrake installer is enough to make you want to get drunk
21:09.18cozmonorthavent got a copy
21:09.21Jensonnight guys
21:09.27cozmonortgoodnight
21:09.34cozmonorttalk 2 u later
21:09.50Jensoni will eventually pick up a full copy of Debain, when i have some money
21:09.54Jensonseeya
21:09.57cozmonortbye
21:20.14cozmonortcozmonort|webwork
21:55.46JD.net is borken
21:56.42Leedsthe tld or the clr?
21:56.51JDtld
21:56.57Leedsyeah?
21:57.08Leedshow so?
21:57.10JDdo a random nslookup
21:57.18JDon a non-existant domain
21:57.50Leeds64.94.110.11?
21:58.05JDaye
21:58.17Leedsnah, that's not broken
21:58.24JDwhy not?
21:58.35Leedsthat's just verisign hijacking the DNS for commercial purposes and redirecting all unknown sites to themselves
21:58.57JDyes as I said borken
21:59.31JDirc,freenode.net
22:00.26Leedsbut... are you implying that there are protocols apart from http which might be horribly damaged by this move?
22:01.17JDwell not damaged, but there will be some confusion
22:01.27JDand it will take much longer for things to break
22:26.07LeedsI do like this small world...
22:26.24JD?
22:27.31LeedsI think I mentioned it before...
22:27.43JD?
22:28.22Leedswhen I was in Israel in 1994, we had a couple of 'councillors' attached to the study part of the program, not teachers, more like hall tutors
22:28.39Leeds(the hebrew word is madrich - means guide or leader)
22:29.10Leedsone of them was a bloke called Dror (common Hebrew name) who had been in the Navy, played the flute, and liked a singer called Achinoam Nini...
22:29.45Leedsanyway, it's 9 years later and we are both (somewhat) active members of the official Achinoam Nini online fan club :-)
22:30.18JDand the small world thing is?
22:30.35Leedsit's only thanks to him that I'm a fan of hers - went to her concert in London last year (at which the stage was rushed by a couple of anti-Irael protesters) and went backstage and met her
22:31.00Leedsapparently I'm the only member of the group he's in been in touch with since about 1996...
22:31.36Leedsit's a small world thing because it's not that big a fan club (couple of hundred members)... there aren't that many active posters (20-30, maybe)...
22:32.36Leedsis that not a small world thing?
22:32.56JDno, you met someone with a similar interest
22:33.28JDit would have been a small world thing if you hadn't known he had that interest
22:34.02Leedsit's a small world thing because over 9 years and thousands of miles apart... we've got in touch
22:34.33Leedsby co-incidence - if we'd gone looking for each other, okay - but by accident it's a small world thing
22:34.39JDbut you knew you shared an interest
22:35.25Leedsnot really
22:35.52LeedsI had a passing interest many years ago - and for all I knew, he'd gone off her when she became more pop/commercial
22:37.13Leedsanyway
22:37.28Leeds*I* think it's a small world thing, and since it's my story, I'm sticking to it :-)
22:37.32Leedseither way - it's nice
22:40.12JD:)
22:41.11WethrinEvening
22:41.42Leedsevening
22:41.53JDnight
22:42.26WethrinOff to bed?
22:43.10Leedsor just arguing for the sake of it for a change?
22:43.21Leeds:-)
22:46.44WethrinLeeds: Something you've never done before? ;-) (the arguing, that is)
22:46.54Leedswho, me?
22:46.56Leedsnever! :-)
22:47.34Leedsactually... while I may carry on arguments long beyond their natural death, I do normally at least argue about something I believe in...
22:51.35WethrinDo you believe in extending arguments? :)
22:53.26Leedsyes, strongly!
22:54.57Wethrin:) Have you seen the Reduced Shakespeare Company's 'Complete History of America (Abridged)'?
22:55.53Leedsnot yet :-)
22:56.14LeedsI've only seen their Shakespeare
22:56.21Wethrin:) Well, I'm semi-planning on seeing it tomorrow.
22:56.34Wethrini.e. turn up before the show starts and see if they have student tickets available
22:56.48Leedshmm...
22:56.53Leedswhat time? ;-)
22:57.10Wethrin8pm start
22:57.24Leedshmm...
22:57.32WethrinSo if you'd like to come and risk possibly finding it's full up...
22:57.46Leedspossibly
22:57.58Leedsany particular reason to believe either way?
22:58.18WethrinNot that I can think of.
22:58.30WethrinThey only have the America once a week.
22:58.37Leedsah
22:58.50WethrinHowever, also given that it is on a weekday...
22:58.56Leedswould it be sensible to call them at, say, 1700 and ask about it?
22:59.06Leedsor even to call in the morning and try to book?
22:59.12WethrinYes.
22:59.25WethrinBut I want to be cheap and see if I can get a student price :)
22:59.45Leedscan't book student tickets over the phone?
22:59.53WethrinI don't know.
23:00.15WethrinIt's unlikely, as those tickets tend not to be bookable.
23:01.04WethrinHowever, I might go down there when I get to London tomorrow, and see what their status is like
23:02.01WethrinTheir box office number is 0870 060 2313 (it's in the Criterion Theatre)
23:02.24Leedshttp://www.reducedshakespeare.co.uk/ :-)
23:02.38LeedsI'd quite like to see their Bible...
23:02.45WethrinYes :) But I don't think that tells you ticket availability.
23:02.52Leedspurely for research, you understand :-)
23:02.53WethrinLikewise - that's on Thursday evenings
23:02.59WethrinUhhuh
23:03.02Wethrin:)
23:04.36Leedsnot quite sure how it works, but ticketmaster looks like it thinks there are tickets
23:05.01Leedsthat is - I don't know how live ticketmaster is
23:05.33WethrinReasonably, I think.
23:06.23Leedshow much are you expecting student tickets to be?
23:06.43Wethrin< £10
23:06.56WethrinSeeing as £10 is supposed to be the cheapest normal-priced ticket
23:06.59Leedsright
23:07.39Leedsconsidering I'm about to spend 75 quid on a train ticket... and hundreds on Limmud... I can stand to pay for more than the cheapest ticket
23:07.43Leedsdayjob and all :-P
23:08.02WethrinBah :-P
23:08.48WethrinSo, err, do you want to book a ticket tomorrow? Or should I do it, if I'm in London?
23:09.01Leedsyou gonna be online tomorrow?
23:09.08WethrinYes.
23:09.13Leedsarse
23:09.17WethrinUntil about 2ish.
23:09.21LeedsGNER "an error has occurred"
23:09.39WethrinUck.
23:10.08Leedsoh fuck
23:10.10Leedsbollocks
23:10.12Leedsarse
23:10.13Leedsbugger
23:10.15Leedsand so on
23:10.22Leedswhy are the bloody trains so bloody crap?
23:10.38Leedsit's sent me back to the start of the booking process...
23:10.55WethrinThey hire incompetent web designers?
23:11.34Leedswell duh
23:12.21WethrinYou could just go to your local staffed railway station and book there
23:12.33LeedsI'm just waiting for it to come back and tell me the 'cheap' ticket isn't available...
23:12.46LeedsI can go to Watford Junction tomorrow - want to get this sorted though
23:13.34WethrinYou can buy tickets through Network Rail
23:13.41Leeds"The reservation system may not be available from midnight to 6am UK Time."
23:16.07Leedslast try
23:16.18Leedsjob done
23:17.22WethrinYay!
23:17.44Leedsbut no confirmation e-mail yet...
23:19.31Leedsmy TiVo has recorded a program called "World Famous for Dicking Around"
23:19.39Leedsit thought I might like it
23:19.39Wethrin???
23:19.56Leedshah! on channel 256 :-)
23:21.52Wethrin256?
23:21.58LeedsSky...
23:21.59WethrinYou have too many channels
23:22.11Leedsit seems to be a little like a Scottish Jackass...
23:22.18WethrinEw.
23:22.43Leedspeople hitting themselves over the head with stuff, setting themselves on fire and so on
23:23.38Leedsapparently - and self-referentially - they're trying to get on TV :-)
23:25.00WethrinOh dear.
23:26.06Leedssnorting chilli power
23:28.03WethrinDon't people have anything better to do?
23:28.51Leedsthe 'back story' is that this is a bunch of lads in a small town which is so boring that no, they have nothing better to do
23:32.25Leedsanyway, time for bed
23:32.32Leedswe'll talk in the morning
23:32.41Wethrin'night night
23:32.49Leeds(got the confirmation e-mail)
23:33.03WethrinYay! :)
23:33.28Leedsnight night

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