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07:12.50*** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@host81-128-227-4.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
08:43.32TarragonObviously on Tuesdays everyone gets on with work except me ;-)
09:27.20zacharygregj: Daring, major release, could be buggy! I'll go with life 1.6, stable and waite for back ported features.
09:27.38gregj;]
09:28.06gregjzachary: have you heard about verisign latest annoying feature
09:28.14gregj*.[NET|COM]
09:28.34zacharyyea, caught that yesterday.
09:29.04gregjsomeone should hang them for that
09:29.45zacharybetter yet, microsoft's latest update for the xbox. Phone home and upgrade without your consent.
09:38.45gregjyack
09:49.09zacharyI always thought the xbox would be a piece of shit. Yea let's join the bandwagon and throw more money to ms just to hack something. And then turn it into a pissing contest. People should just buy a mini-itx w/ compact flash.
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09:50.44LeedsWethrin: ping?
09:52.22gregjWethrin: wlasnie, gdzie jestes
09:53.13Leedsgregj: stop that! :-)
09:54.18gregjdlaczego ?
09:54.20gregj:-)
09:54.33Leedssheket
09:54.41gregjghrhr
09:55.05Leedsma?
09:56.19gregjnic, nic
09:57.06Leedsanyway... Wethrin obviously isn't around
09:58.05Leedsbitch
09:58.09gregjhyhy
09:58.19gregjanyway, Hi ritchard
09:58.26Leedsmorning
09:58.54gregjbut i am just about to leave in a minute :D
09:59.11Leedsblah
09:59.36gregjhyhy
09:59.47Leedswhat is hyhy anyway?
09:59.50gregji have to go back home, and have a nap
09:59.55zacharyI've been up since 5:30, and on my 3rd movie for the day.
09:59.58gregjnothing, just a laugh
10:00.02gregjnic - nothing
10:00.06gregjdlaczego - why
10:00.14gregjwlasnie, gdzie jestes - well, so where are you
10:00.20gregj</translation>
10:00.32LeedsI gathered nic...
10:00.36gregj;]
10:02.04Leedszachary: movies for fun?
10:04.36zacharykeep my daughter busy. I'm trying to catch up on some reading for a class.
10:05.50Leedsah
10:13.24gregjkids..
10:13.28gregjhmm
10:13.31gregji got a problem
10:13.43gregjguy is telling me that he is uploading file on ftp at , lets say 10:45
10:13.58gregjbut when i look on server time set for this file (creation time) is 9:45
10:14.05gregjtz is Europe/UK/London
10:14.23gregjtime is correct (ntpd operates in this area :> 0
10:15.11Leedsum, dunno
10:15.32Leedsbut I'm going to work now...
10:15.57Leedsif anyone sees Wethrin around before I get online at work... tell him to stick around
10:17.00gregjti will be best if you will call him or sometiung
10:17.08LeedsI don't have his number
10:17.19Leedsdo you?
10:17.38gregji'll send him message that you are looking for him
10:17.52Leedsor just give me his number
10:18.56gregjsorry, but i am not giving numbers away :/
10:19.07gregji just send him a message
10:19.14gregja massage :D
10:19.29WethrinBoom?
10:19.38LeedsWethrin: what's your phone number?
10:19.43WethrinLeeds: I thought you had it.
10:19.45Wethrin07973 623883
10:20.01Leedsokay
10:20.02Leedswell
10:20.03Leedsduh
10:20.05LeedsI do :-)
10:20.17Leedsdunno why I thought I didn't...
10:20.18Leedsanyway
10:20.27LeedsI need to go to work now... did you call them?
10:20.44WethrinNo. I was going to turn up there and ask for tickets.
10:21.11LeedsI thought the plan was to call and a) see if there were tickets and b) see if you could book student tickets in advance?
10:21.18gregjkurwa, whats wrong with this ftp server
10:21.54WethrinWe didn't decide on a plan.
10:22.00LeedsI thought the plan was to call and a) see if there were tickets and b) see if you could book student tickets in advance?
10:22.16Leedsanyway - I need to go to work...
10:22.26WethrinDo you want me to phone them and ask?
10:22.30Leedsyes
10:22.35LeedsI'll be back online in 20 minutes or so
10:22.43WethrinI have to go walk to the dog now.
10:22.48WethrinSo will be back ni an hour or so.
10:22.53Leedslong walk
10:22.59Leedsso I'll call when I get to work
10:23.02WethrinYeah. Keeps the dog happy.
10:23.05WethrinOkay, thanks :)
10:23.18WethrinHeh. Using company resources for personal calls....
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10:52.42gregj21 minutes
10:52.46gregjyou are fast
10:53.33LeedsM1 is a quick road :-)
10:56.29gregj:]
10:57.44TarragonMiddle age has hit me. Years ago I took down the Athena posters but today I have just taken down an OpenBSD poster to hang a picture up :-(
10:58.34Leedsha ha ha
11:08.18gregjhmm
11:08.37gregjand it si funny , because vsftpd uses open() to create file
11:08.43gregjso time should be gmt
11:09.54LeedsI thought you said the time was gmt?
11:10.47Leedsas opposed to bst
11:16.34gregjgmt jest global not localk
11:16.39gregjso gmt now is 13:16
11:17.40TarragonNo GMT/UTC is 11:16 BST until 26 Oct is 12:16
11:20.13gregjand after 26 bst will be< ?
11:21.04TarragonBST will not be used. We revert back to GMT
11:22.29gregjforever, or just for some time ?
11:22.33TarragonBST ends at 1amGMT on fourth Sunday in October. We are now in line with Europe after Statutory instrument 2002 No.262
11:23.18TarragonBST will start again the following year at 1amGMT on the last Sunday in March 2004
11:23.23gregji mean, is it seasonal time
11:23.28gregji see
11:23.54gregji want ftp to create files with localtime rather than bst :(
11:24.11TarragonYes. It is seasonal. It means Scottish farmers can live a more normal life.
11:24.39gregj?
11:24.52gregjLeeds: translate please :D
11:24.52TarragonBST is local time. UTC/GMT is the constant
11:28.06TarragonOK in winter days are short, in summer days are long. Farmers in north get up at daybreak to harvest fields. By changing to summer time they get up at say 5amGMT (6amBST) therefore they are mosre likely to be awake when rest of population is awake at night so they can socialize. They can then sleep at 11pmBST (10pm GMT) when pubs close rather than going to bed before pubs close.
11:29.46TarragonGMT is based on sun being directly overhead at 12noon so not really anything to do with working hours and unless we float the country, not likely to change.
11:31.00Leedsgregj: listen to Tarragon - he's older and wiser than me
11:31.06TarragonI am old enough to remember the social experiment in the seventies when they tried to change to continuous summer time and hundreds of children died. I believe that during the second world war the country went to double summer time
11:31.31TarragonOld yes. Wiser No
11:31.41gregjdied ?
11:31.48gregjjust because of time chage ?
11:31.54gregjdoes not make sense
11:32.20Leedsbecause there were 2 hours of sunlight in Scotland, between 11am and 1pm?
11:32.43gregjand what time got to do with that ?
11:33.09Leedsthey got run over... died of cold... stuff like that
11:33.09LeedsI dunno
11:34.53TarragonIn winter days are short. working people can either go to work in dark and come home in light or vice versa. Work normally starts at 9am. Everyone said Oh lets go to work in dark and we can enjoy the daylight in the evenings. Unfortunately children start at 9am and finish at 4pm. They went to school in day and got run over. National campaign to give every child glowing arnband on a program called Nationwide. If workers go to wor
11:34.53Tarragonme home in dark, children go to school in light and because they finish earlier still come home in light.
11:36.14gregjand got run over by what ?
11:37.18TarragonCars. It was 1970-1971 winter become this funny new currency
11:37.41TarragonChildren are not that good at crossing roads on the way to school
11:39.26gregjsure
11:39.50gregjso, parents that were sleppy killed more ppl on streets because they had to work overnights
11:39.54gregjmakes some sense
11:40.47TarragonI am wrong. It was a three year experiment starting in March 1968 to put UK onto GMT+1 all year around. December 1970 House of Commons voted 366 to 81 to end scheme.
11:41.49TarragonNo children were going to school about 8:30 am as parents were off to work. As it was dark children run over because they cross road without looking and drivers could not see them in the dark
11:42.40Wethrin'ello
11:43.12gregjoh
11:43.23Leedshey Wethrin, good walk?
11:43.52TarragonAgricultural, forestry, construction, manufacturing and distribution industries opposed changing to CET in 1987 but we have now harmonised with Europe on the dates we change summer time
11:44.10Leedsit's all the fault of those wacky Europeans... I mean, look at Spain ;-)
11:44.30Leedsor France for that matter
11:44.47WethrinLeeds: Yes, thanks :)
11:44.57gregjno, it is all abtout those lazy brits. Look, they are making some experiments on citizens
11:45.01gregjso naughty
11:46.43gregjanyway, my vsftpd still creates files with wrong date
11:47.10gregjwe have 12:46, there is 12:46 as localtime on server
11:47.19gregjand he create files with time 11:47
11:47.30Leedsis the server chrooted?
11:47.32WethrinWhat's your timezone set to?
11:47.43gregjeither debian is not taking this timezone correctly or i don't know
11:47.49gregjtimezone is europe/london
11:47.54gregjno, server is not chrooted
11:47.57gregjthis is ftp server
11:47.58WethrinHm, that should be okay.
11:48.02gregji am just chrooting users
11:48.37Leedsokay - but what I mean is that when the file is created, is a chroot in place?  if so, is there a /etc/localtime in the chroot?
11:48.50TarragonSo server is recording at GMT/UTC and not BST. Is the Bios set to UTC and timezones or set to BST like Windows machines do?
11:49.06gregji don't have access to bios
11:49.15WethrinLeeds: Did you contact the theatre?
11:49.22gregjhwdate says time is ok
11:49.32gregjhwclock i mean
11:49.45TarragonOK? set to UTC?
11:50.01gregjhow can i check it/set it ?
11:50.11gregji am just using tzconfig to setup timezone
11:50.21gregjand than ntpd is taking care about time synch
11:50.25TarragonWhat time is the hwclock now showing?
11:50.32LeedsWethrin: yes... plenty of tickets available... no student tickets over the phone... maybe on the door - bloke reckoned it would be safe to just turn up
11:51.12WethrinOkie. I shall just do that, then.
11:51.12gregjTarragon: i don't have any idea
11:51.37gregjTarragon: it shows the same time date shows to me
11:54.38TarragonOK so the hwclock is set to current local time (BST). This is the windows way to do things and means changing hwclock whenever you move timezones. Somewhere on most distros on installing they ask if clock is GMT/UTC
11:55.28gregji don't care about windows
11:55.42gregjshould hwclock show localtime or utc ?
11:57.40Tarragon/etc/sysconfig/clock should have UTC=true and /etc/localtime should be linked to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London
11:58.23gregj/etc/localtime is lined
11:58.34gregji don't have /etc/sysconfig/clock because this is not redhat
11:59.32gregjmaybe this is because vsftpd is called from inetd
11:59.47gregji think this should not make any difference, as inetd is taking care about network bit
12:04.12TarragonDoes a /etc/default/rcS file have a UTC line
12:05.10gregjmoment
12:05.47gregjjest, UTC=yes
12:05.53TarragonAh Deb boxen then :-)
12:06.13WethrinYes, hence it not working ;-)
12:06.40gregjWethrin: cicho
12:06.49TarragonYou should then be able to run tzconfig as root to set London.
12:07.04gregjit is set to london already
12:07.24gregjso you are saying that just changing this option to no will solve the problem ?
12:09.30TarragonNo. I assumed seeting it to yes and then using timezone=London and having a summer date would solve problem. hwclock would then be showing 12:11 and time = 13:11
12:10.45gregjbut i have UTC=yes and timezone=london now
12:10.59gregjand it was set to before
12:11.08gregjno change was made
12:11.17Tarragonhen I am at a loss to explain
12:12.21gregjthis will than mean that UTC=no is a correct option
12:13.56gregjwhat about /etc/adjtime ?
12:17.08Tarragonthat is used for changing the CMOS clock. typically after using an NTP server, the system calculates what change is needed daily to the CMOS clock and stores this in adjtime. clock -u -a
12:18.09gregjhmm
12:19.31gregji did hwclock -u -a
12:19.43gregjhwclock shows now +1 h comared to date
12:21.25gregjwell, i think i will just setup proftpd instead of vsftpd
12:24.27Tarragon$ >date    ...13:22 BST     $ >date -u    ...12:22 UTC
12:31.23gregjyep
12:31.29gregji tried proftpd , the same
12:31.41gregjeven if i set localGMT on
12:31.46gregjgoing back to vsftpd
12:33.28LeedsI assume if you do an su - to the user and touch a file, it works okay?
12:33.29gregjbizare
12:33.35gregjyes
12:33.45gregjwhy everyone thinks that i am so stuppid
12:33.56Leedsit's the silly accent :-P
12:34.05gregjscp works fine
12:34.06gregjas well
12:34.10TarragonWho thinks you are stupid?
12:34.11LeedsI mean locally
12:34.48gregjTarragon: Ritch is asking me if i tried touch /tmp/dupa && ls -l /tmp/dupa
12:34.56gregjof course, that was the first thing
12:37.58gregjgoiong home
12:38.07gregjmaybe i will find some resolution later on
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13:46.31gregjre
13:46.44gregjLeeds: station: Poplar
13:47.03gregjtwo platforms in the same direction - but diffeernt dest.
13:47.29Leedsit's hard to understand you when you use all sorts of random abbr.
13:47.29gregjand guy is saying something like "Adjust to next platform, which is platform nr 1 for trains to beckton"
13:48.16LeedsI doubt he'd say that, since it's in no way correct or common English
13:48.33gregjok
13:48.42gregjso this word sounded simmilar
13:48.50gregjand i wasn't sure what is
13:48.50Leedsright
13:48.53Leedsbut nothing comes to mind
13:48.57gregj:/
13:49.04gregjmaybe i should ask him next time
13:49.04gregj:D
13:49.39gregjbut they use different sentence every time
13:50.05Leedsat Watford Junction - which is the only station with announcements I really use - they say things like "the next train arriving at platform 9 is the delayed [always delayed!] 1840 Silverlink service to London Euston"
13:51.09gregjthis message was about train from platform 1, which is acctually just on a different side of (this something
13:51.12gregj)
13:51.20gregji cannot say platform :D
13:51.48gregjyou know what i mean
13:51.51Leedsyes, platform
13:52.13gregjhmm
13:52.25gregjso there are two platforms on this platform
13:52.33gregji doubt this is a correct english
13:52.48Leedsthere is a physical platform with two sides.  there are two numbered platforms
13:53.10Leedsand the phrase is "I doubt this is correct English" or "a correct use of English"
13:53.14irvineddel x300 shinyness
13:53.49gregjok
13:53.51LeedsEnglish is abstract enough that you cannot have "an English" - possibly unless you're comparing, say, American English with Australian English
13:53.54gregji am going to eat something
13:54.24gregji think i catched something
13:54.29Leedscaught
13:54.49gregjcold or maybe even flu
13:55.32gregj:/
14:00.54WethrinLeeds: Any particular time you're planning to get to London tonight?
14:01.19Leeds1945 or so
14:01.40WethrinFor 8pm start, then
14:01.48Leedsyes
14:01.52WethrinWant me to get a ticket for you?
14:01.59Leedsyes please
14:02.07WethrinOkay. What's your maximum price?
14:02.42Leedsnot sure, maybe 20 quid or so
14:03.30WethrinOkay.
14:03.40WethrinI'll probably get the tickets around 7ish.
14:04.15LeedsSMS me to let me know...
14:04.17WethrinWill send you a text when I've got them
14:04.20Wethrin:)
14:05.52Leedscool
14:13.00WethrinRight. I ought to start getting my stuff in order :)
14:13.11WethrinTrain at 1542, means I should leave here about 1525
14:29.24irvinedargh
14:29.36irvinedhow do you tell a script to run as root?
14:29.40irvinedi've chmod +X on the script
14:29.49Leedsyou can't
14:29.55irvined(its a quick hack to for a prototype, i'll use sudolater if i need to)
14:29.56Leedsscripts don't do setuid
14:30.05irvinedis there any quick and dirty way to do it?
14:30.17Leedssu :-)
14:30.27irvinedahh but without entering a password
14:30.35Leedssudo :-P
14:30.41irvinedyep
14:30.41irvinedlol
14:31.56LeedsLinux simply won't run scripts as setuid
14:32.06gregjWethrin: Leeds anything interesting happends today ?
14:32.24Leedsgregj: yes
14:33.22gregjLeeds: why i don't know anything about it :>
14:34.17irvinedhmm
14:34.32irvinedhow would i let apache run a command as root without using a passwd?
14:34.34Leedsbecause you weren't listening last night?
14:34.48irvinedi really hate sudo, i always break my head on the config file for no good reason
14:36.04gregj|23:54 < Wethrin> :) Have you seen the Reduced Shakespeare Company's 'Complete History of America
14:36.07gregj|                 (Abridged)'?
14:36.10gregj|23:55 < Leeds> not yet :-)
14:36.12gregj|23:56 < Leeds> I've only seen their Shakespeare
14:36.15gregj|23:56 < Wethrin> :) Well, I'm semi-planning on seeing it tomorrow.
14:36.17gregj|23:56 < Wethrin> i.e. turn up before the show starts and see if they have student tickets available
14:36.21gregj|23:56 < Leeds> hmm...
14:36.21Leedsirvined: it's pretty simple if all you want to do is let one user become root with or without password :-)
14:36.23gregj|23:56 < Leeds> what time? ;-)
14:36.26gregj|23:57 < Wethrin> 8pm start
14:36.29gregj:]
14:36.51gregj|gj@gj-suse1:~> id -a && sudo id -a
14:36.51gregj|uid=500(gj) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),14(uucp),16(dialout),17(audio),33(video)
14:36.54gregj|uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
14:36.55gregjlike this
14:36.57gregj|gj@gj-suse1:~>
14:39.49Leedsstop that
14:41.05Leeds...
14:42.56Leedsanyway, the complete history of America is happenning tonight
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14:44.48Leedswelcome, non-Spaniard
14:45.10formiwell
14:45.27formithat must be the 1st I got welcomed!
14:45.56TarragonNo formi. Leeds was talking to me. You are a Spaniard
14:46.40formiwell Ill keep waiting
14:46.48irvinedim getting permission denied but not when i run it manually
14:46.59Leedsirvined: what?
14:47.03irvinedi've got a php script which needs to call another script as root
14:47.19irvinedso i have User_Alias SWP=apache
14:47.29irvinedSWP ALL=NOPASSWD:/opt/streamline/cms/sbin/swpowerctl
14:48.01irvinedash-2.05a$ whoami
14:48.01irvinedapache
14:48.01irvinedbash-2.05a$ sudo /sbin/
14:48.01irvinedDisplay all 200 possibilities? (y or n)
14:48.01irvinedbash-2.05a$ sudo /opt/streamline/cms/sbin/swpowerctl comp04 Reboot
14:48.02irvinedbash-2.05a$
14:48.18irvinedhowever when i run that exact command from within php i just get permission denied from (presumably) sudo
14:49.03irvinedany ideas?
14:49.21Leedsum
14:49.30Leedsdon't put a reboot script on the web?
14:50.10gregjcreate a script that performs this acction, and suid it
14:50.14irvinedits not on the web, its internal and its for a cluster managment
14:50.19Leedsgregj: you can't setuid a script
14:50.28gregjtfu
14:50.34Leedstfu?
14:50.38gregjsorry
14:50.49nasratirvined: it may be apache suexec blocking it
14:51.05Leedsgregj: what is tfu?
14:51.21irvinednasrat: ahh, ok, any idea how i solve that?
14:51.25gregjhmm, we say that instead of "oups, i wrote something incorrectly"
14:51.31gregjor misspleled
14:51.37irvinedLeeds: the customer wants to remotely shutdown machines, if they get too hot etc.
14:51.37Leedsand what does it mean?
14:51.44gregjnothing
14:52.42gregjits kind of noise when you are spiting
14:53.14nasratirvined: I think you have to disable it - suexec doesn't allow root run stuff
14:53.34nasrathttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html for starters
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18:15.11resuDaedanyone in here got any experience getting the tv out working on the trident cyberblade gfx chipset (specifically on a mini-=itx board)
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21:29.24Jensonheya highbury
21:29.30highburyHI
21:29.34JDhi
21:30.55highburyjust spent last hour rebooting all my machines after loosing connection, to then find my ethernet cable had fallen out of my ADSL connection
21:31.08JDlol
21:31.19JDbet that was annoying
21:31.20murblewhy rebooting all of your machines?
21:31.59Jensonhiya JD
21:32.02Jensonhiya murble
21:32.22highburywell, just my HomeChoice box, my ADSL Modem, and frigging around with my USB-Serial convertor
21:32.22JDmurble: windowsitis?
21:32.40murbleJD: don't down
22:07.50Jensonwell, im off to bed
22:07.52Jensonnight all
22:14.54eye69*back*
22:32.27JDanyone seen nikki or david
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23:07.34WethrinBlah.
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23:15.07formithis is not fair
23:17.12WethrinWhat isn't?
23:17.47formicomming home after a few beers to discover
23:17.56formithat sshd needs updating
23:18.05WethrinIndeed.
23:18.33WethrinThis here RedHat machine already has the newer SSH RPMs installed.
23:18.45formime too
23:19.37WethrinDebian machine doesn't (debian 3.0, whatever that makes it, running stable)
23:20.17formistrangely enough the rhn network is not overloaded as usual
23:20.51formigot a freebsd question for you
23:21.01formiif you don't mind a private
23:21.35WethrinI don't mind. But I don't know if I'll be able to answer it.

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