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08:55.24WethrinMorning
08:59.21Copemoin
09:04.19Cope--> breakfast
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09:28.59JDmoin
09:30.11Copehi JD
09:38.46gregj:]
09:49.50gregjhi JD , Cope
10:03.38JD!seen Clyphox
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10:23.53Copeibot seen The Matrix Reloaded?
10:23.53Cope: i haven't seen 'the matrix reloaded'
10:26.10JD2
10:26.41Copeibot google for All Seeing I
10:45.09Copeibot date
10:45.12Mon Oct  6 10:45:12 2003
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10:45.21Cope: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
10:45.23Copeibot time
10:45.25rumour has it, time is 3:21
10:45.38CopeHmm
10:45.42Copeibot timezone
10:45.43Cope: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
11:10.09gregjhehe
11:10.15gregjpebkac ?
11:10.39CopeHi greg
11:11.12gregjHi
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13:45.57zacharyafternoon eye69
13:46.28CopeWoo zachary;eye69
13:47.30eye69Hellu
13:47.33zacharyhey Cope
13:48.03CopeAny idea where grip puts encoded stuff after ripping?
13:48.33gregjhello Sweden :D
13:49.33zacharyCope: tabs Config->Encode : Encode file format
13:49.58CopeHmm.. can't see that directory!
13:50.11CopeAh... I know whre it is
13:50.57CopeHmm... nope.
13:51.28CopeIt was running as root (couldn't be arsed to sort out permissions) but still can't fine ~/mp3
13:52.02zacharyif it was ripped as root it will be /root/mp3/.
13:53.14CopeThat's what I htought.
13:53.57CopeFound it - just couldn't see it with xmms - duh, because /root/mp3 can't be read as user.
14:00.45eye69gregj: I don't consider myself an ambassador of Sweden. :)
14:02.16gregjeye69: ;P
14:03.21zacharyeye69: You are whether you like it or not! :-P
14:03.49eye69zachary: I refuse!
14:03.57zacharytoo bad!
14:04.10Copelol
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15:05.49CopeHi highbury
15:06.39highburyhi there
15:14.31CopeI've got my knickers in a twist over using mutt - anyone able to help me get my head in gear?
15:19.40highburysorry, only use pine or kmail
15:19.51highburyand occasionally mailx
15:20.01CopeWell... pine doesn't speak smtp does it?
15:21.06highburywhy would you want a mail client to talk smtp?
15:21.20highburythat's the job of the mail agent surely
15:22.03CopeExactly.
15:22.23CopeI've used kmail, enlightenment and mozilla in the last few years.
15:22.33CopeAnd they all talk to the smtp server directly.
15:22.57CopeMutt doesn't - so I need to make sure my MTA is working, and then configure mutt to talk to the MTA
15:23.05CopeI think...
15:38.56Jensonhey all
15:39.03CopeHi Jenson
15:39.34Jensonhiya, why not use Mozilla mail of Evolution, Evolution is nice
15:40.34CopeBecause I want to use mutt.
15:41.14CopeI don't want to use a gui mailer.  I used to use mutt, and I miss it,
15:44.51highburyPine, is good, it uses curses
15:45.28highburysorry can't help with mutt config
15:45.42Jensoni attempted to use both mutt and pine, but i didnt understand them, my kmail was buggy and Evolution didnt ship[ with Slack 9, so i use Moz now
15:49.35highburypine s probably the easiest of the non-Xwindows mail readers, I've been using it for well over 10 years
15:50.41Jensonhighbury: yeh, well i just like having something similar to Outlook Express that doesnt crash out everytime i try to load it
16:06.36CopeI used pine and elm at uni
16:07.15WethrinMost people tended to use Pine on the Unix systems at Oxford.
16:07.27WethrinAt UCL we use exmh.
16:09.40Copewethrin: Those were the days.,, now they have herald webmail, I hear.
16:09.51JensonCope: yeh, well some of us arent going to uni, least not til we can talk ourselves onto the course
16:10.03JensonCope: we had webmail at school
16:11.17WethrinCope: Yes. Although you can still get a shell account.
16:11.31WethrinCope: Like A-Levels? :)
16:11.38CopeWethrin: Indeed
16:11.45WethrinHeh.
16:12.09JensonCope: yeh well, that wasnt my fault
16:12.24CopeJenson: SOmeone other than you took your exams?
16:12.25Jensongrrr, bloody printer preforming random noisy calibration whislt im sitting by it
16:12.57JensonCope: no i didnt take them coz i had severe panic attacks and at one point couldnt even sit still, i couldnt sit in classromms coz i just burst out crign and start shaking
16:13.07cupI went to UCL but in my day it was pine
16:13.27Wethrincup: Did you do CompSci?
16:13.30Copejenson: I see.
16:13.41WethrinI'm not using the central computing services, only the CS supplied ones.
16:13.48CopeI'm off to get Sophie - see you all soon.
16:13.53Jensonseeya Cope
16:13.57Wethrinbye
16:14.00cupWethrin: no astrophysics
16:14.14WethrinAhh. Decent choice anyway :)
16:14.24Wethrin(says he, being a physicist in former life)
16:15.13cupdid enjoy it but wished I had done compsci it might have set me up better for life after uni!
16:15.44WethrinWell....I'm not so sure about that.
16:15.58Jensoni try not to think about uni too much, coz it only depresses me that im a fuck up
16:16.19WethrinI don't think that there's anything particularly special about Compsci that you'd tend to need in a job.
16:16.42Jensonyeh, but a degree is helpful
16:16.59WethrinPhysics often tends to be regarded as a better all-rounder.
16:17.22Jensonyeh, and to do Physics at A level, you have to take maths with irt
16:17.39Wethrinyes
16:17.48cupI image the general imersion in computer tech. where as with astrophy. strangely we were quite stand offish about computers
16:17.50JensonI'm sure I could talk my way onto a history degree, i like history and im good at it
16:18.07cupmeant it was only a hobby until I got a job
16:18.23WethrinComputers tend to me used as a tool, rather than as a means themselves.
16:18.27Wethrin*as an end
16:19.08cupbrother did history, did 1 hour lecture a week and 2 hours of tutorial for the best part of 3 years.
16:19.28WethrinLazy :-P
16:19.33Jensoncup: yeh, my cousin is like that, she's doing History at Bristol
16:20.18cuphhm very lazy but that is all that was required of him (meant to read a book occasionaly)
16:20.45Jensoncup: if i did that i clould spend the rest of my time studying computers and the local male population :)
16:21.07cupwhy stop at local?
16:21.16Jensonheh
16:23.38Jensonlinux is probably more useful that the male popultation lol
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18:33.06Jensonheya
18:33.40Copehi jenson
18:35.35Jensonhiya Cope
18:41.21WethrinFun.
18:42.16Jensonhi Wethrin
18:43.09Jensonmatrix even
18:43.25WethrinBut it was a shit film.
18:43.27CopeHi Wethrin;Gregj
18:43.54gregjWethrin: true
18:43.55JensonWethrin: it was better than the first one, and i got to snuggle Alex through the whole of it at the cinema
18:43.59gregjrubbis
18:44.06WethrinNo, it was much worse than the first one.
18:44.14Jensonive got it on VCD but the quality isnt that good
18:44.25JensonWethrin: the first one is annoying
18:44.36CopeThe first one was genuinely intelligent and raised philosophical questions.
18:44.45WethrinFSVO intelligent ;-)
18:44.58CopeThe second one tried to be too intelligent and philosophical, and failed on both accounts.
18:45.11WethrinErr. It did? How?
18:45.14JensonCope: it was acool movie, it doesnt have to mean anything
18:45.43CopeNo, but when a movie *sets out* to mean something, tries too hard, and fails, it should be criticised as such.
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18:47.18gregjmy irssi just crossed 4 minutes limit on server and was killed
18:47.26WethrinEh?
18:47.31gregjirssi
18:47.35gregjirc client
18:47.39WethrinYes, I use it.
18:47.40gregji got limits on server
18:47.43Jensonas do i
18:47.48Copeand i
18:47.53WethrinYes, but 4 minutes?
18:47.53gregjhehe
18:47.56gregjyep
18:48.08gregjWethrin: this irssi client was running for over 2 months
18:48.18gregjWethrin: thats too much, i should leave 10-30s
18:48.23gregjfor user
18:48.31WethrinHeh.
18:49.05gregjCope: i will have to consider selling other bits now
18:49.15gregjCope: still no offers
18:49.16CopeOh no. Why?
18:49.22Copereally?
18:49.24JensonCope: did you ignore me /msg
18:49.27Jensons/my
18:49.40CopeJenson: No - I didn't notice it!
18:49.40gregj:]
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19:29.13Jensongrrr i really really really need to go clothes shopping
19:29.25Jensonmy hands are cold i'm gonna move
19:29.27Jensonseeya later
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19:38.14cozmonorthi room
19:39.05stephanbcozmonort: hi there. very quiet tonite
19:40.31cozmonortnoticed
19:40.37cozmonorthow r u ?
19:40.52cozmonorthi Jenson
19:41.14cozmonort:)
19:41.57cozmonorterm bye stephanb
19:42.11Jensonbloody hell, my dad wants to phone the fucking driving instructor
19:42.11JensonBRB
19:42.18cozmonortk
19:49.32cozmonortbrb
19:50.49cozmonortback
20:08.55Jensonback again
20:09.18cozmonortwb
20:09.53Jensongrrr its bloody freezing in here
20:10.23cozmonortalways is by the sounds of it
20:11.06Jensonnah, just these 3 weeks until my dad will put heating on
20:12.51cozmonortim downloading Garbage
20:12.51cozmonorthad loads of there songs before i formated last
20:12.51cozmonort(must get burner)
20:14.08cozmonortok
20:14.22Jensoni ahve some grabage pon disc somewhere
20:14.22Jensonmr zimm burned it for me
20:14.33Jensonlemme try that agin
20:14.45Jensoni have some garbage on disc somewhere
20:15.48cozmonorthehe
20:16.44cozmonortim going to go watch tv, i might call u later if u want
20:17.04cozmonortor could be back online
20:17.08cozmonortcya
20:17.17Jensonseeya hon
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20:36.23Jensonheya Leeds
20:36.31Leedsevening
20:37.23Jensonhow are you?
20:37.24Leedswhat have I missed in the real world in the past 30 hours or so? :-)
20:37.31Jensonhave you finished your fast now?
20:38.02Leedsyes
20:38.06Leedsor I wouldn't be online
20:38.44Jensonwhat have being online and food got to do with each other?
20:39.29Leedsthe fast isn't about food
20:41.09Leedsor rather - it's not just about food
20:41.15Jensonbloody hell i need broadband, trying to d/l from mp3.com and use the internet is impossible
20:41.32WethrinHi Leeds.
20:41.40Leedsevening Wethrin
20:41.56Jensonhea Wethrin
20:42.13Wethrinhea?
20:42.19JensonLeeds: i take it that smoking and drug use has to be given up during the fast too then
20:42.30WethrinSmoking is bad.
20:42.36LeedsJenson: neither are ever allowed
20:42.48JensonWethrin: that isnt the issue here
20:42.54WethrinIt could be.
20:43.16Jensonhow/why?
20:44.27WethrinHm?
20:48.00JensonI take it that neither of uo 2 have got any Rammstein albums
20:49.28WethrinErr....why would I want to have shit music?
20:50.32Jensonwell, its suddenly occured to me how good they are lol
20:50.36Jensonlike it does with me
20:53.18TarragonLeeds: Do you have to remain standing for the whole of the Ne'ilah?
20:53.31LeedsTarragon: yes
20:53.34CopeHi Leeds!
20:53.42Leedsand a significant chunk of before and after
20:53.42CopeYom Kippur? (tries to recall)
20:53.48LeedsCope: evening, yes :-)
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20:54.41JensonMy mother told me not to start worrying so much about Christma presents already
20:55.49TarragonJenson - You  are bad. It has been noted. No presents for you this year. If you start being good now we may reconsider in time for next year
20:56.07LeedsTarragon: you're not *that* far north
20:56.08Jensonheya cupis
20:56.29cupishi
20:56.32JensonTarragon: yes darling, i'm a bad, bad, naughty girl, spank me :P
20:57.12TarragonI am NOT that kind of boy!
20:57.28Jensonheh
20:59.19Wethrin# Take your cigarette from its holder, and burn your initials in my shoulder
20:59.26Wethrin# You can raise welts, like nobody else
20:59.34Wethrin# As we dance to the Masochism Tango
20:59.46Leedsheh
21:00.01TarragonWhat??
21:00.34TarragonAh - Cluebat hits head hard
21:01.10Jensoniused to have some Tom Lehrer stuff at one point
21:02.20LeedsJenson: I apologise... there's someone over on my other regular channel who's fasting and IRCing
21:02.57JDLeeds: only 1 of my pet jews managed to fast all day aiui
21:02.59TarragonDepends whether IRCing is considered work surely?
21:03.12LeedsTarragon: using the computer is highly contra-indicated
21:04.09TarragonMust be a line though. Console PS2?
21:04.29Leeds?
21:04.41Leedsthey were talking about mixing alcohol and sedatives
21:05.01Jensonlike vodka and heroin?
21:05.03TarragonPS2 is a games console. Surely not work
21:05.20JensonTarragon: ah, but surely sex isnt work either, but i bet thats banned
21:05.29TarragonYes
21:05.54JensonCope: no lol, that was a while back
21:06.01LeedsTarragon: the point about work is not doing a) 'real life' things and b) anything with, e.g. fire or electricity
21:06.16Jensonneedless to say both Wethrin and zimm would have killed that guy for me coz it wasnt aquite how it seems
21:06.20TarragonDid not know that. Thanks
21:06.53JensonLeeds: well, then *what* are you meant to do then?
21:07.22LeedsJenson: as I said, it's not just about food/drink - the standard list of 'fasting' things is: food, drink, sex, leather, washing, annointing, shoes...
21:07.28CopePray? Be restful? Commune with family and G_D?
21:07.46TarragonBecome an angel
21:07.56CopeDogma is on tonight, btw.
21:08.01LeedsCope: quite right - meditiating on the past year and how you're going to do better this year too
21:08.06LeedsTarragon: also quite right
21:08.24CopeHow do I bring sendmail down and up again to use modified sendmail.cf?
21:08.35Wethrinkillall -HUP sendmail
21:09.30Jensoni can abstain from food or sex, but not both
21:11.32Jensonoh ive got one, if i wanted him
21:11.41JDJenson: oh?
21:12.13CopeHandy.
21:12.25JensonJD: not you :P
21:12.33JDJenson: indeed
21:13.12JensonCope: nah, where cmes a point when you get bored of such things, its taken me, erm, since Febraury
21:14.27Jensonnah, i just got bored lol
21:14.35Jensoni havent got that much experience :P
21:15.12JensonLeeds: isnt it kinda silly not to be able to drink?
21:15.34Leedsnot really
21:16.22Leedsmmm... that's sweet
21:17.36Leedsargh - dict.org
21:17.39JensonCope: nah, i just thought annointing was to do with vampires....too much Buffy I tell you
21:17.42TarragonCan drink if medically needed and children under nine but otherwise won't do you any harm for a day
21:17.44Leedscomplete with a command-line client :-)
21:17.55Jensonnow ive read the dictionary meaning i really dont get it
21:18.07Jensonwell i know what it means but i dont see the point
21:18.30Leedsgo on then, what's the word
21:18.43TarragonCan concentrate on spiritual side rather than physical
21:19.10murbisn't teh acholol age 5 or has that already been done?
21:19.14murbs/done/mentioned/
21:19.24murbwhich is a good point i should have some more leffe brune
21:19.38Jensonnight people
21:19.53Copeleeds: Development goals of pine....
21:19.59LeedsTarragon: the age-of-child thing depends on the gender, and there is some question as to exactly what year
21:20.44LeedsCope: mutt is designed far more for power-users, I think, and doesn't have the sort of captive end-user audience that Pine has
21:20.47murbanyone want to head towards .lu in the week beinging 20th for mini piss up?
21:21.03murbyou can get a 49 euro + tax flight here fomr stansted.
21:21.29Leedshopefully I'll be in .ca.us
21:23.44murbLeeds: what for?
21:23.48Leedswork
21:25.03JDLeeds: did I tell you that I now have a colaris box
21:25.15Leedssolaris-colo? :-)
21:25.25JDno, typo
21:26.18Leedsand...?
21:26.41JDno that was it
21:26.48CopeThat's cool.
21:27.13Leedsworking okay?
21:30.05JDwell I'm not sure if I've got the hang of the boot loader
21:30.14JDbut it currently running
21:30.45Leedscool
21:33.48Leedsheh - Geordie phrases translated into Latin for University Challenge
21:34.47JDlol
21:35.18JDI know
21:35.20JDyou always do
21:35.40Leedsit's a pity to use TiVo to sell sky+ - but it's the closest you'll get
21:36.15JDwhat do you mean?
21:37.52Leedswell - it would be better if you got TiVo... I'm guessing that your "decides to get sky+" was in some way prompted or affected by my TiVo-plugging
21:39.05JDwell I've been thinking about it and the free subscription was the decider
21:43.22LeedsI'll be interested in how you find it, since pretty much everything I know about it is hearsay
21:48.35*** join/#gllug armijn (~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl)
21:49.01Wethring'night all.
21:49.02Leedshey armijn, how's things?
21:49.05Leedsnight Wethrin
21:49.07armijnhi leeds
21:49.18armijnleeds: hhectick...had renovation here, still a mess...
21:49.27Leedshome? work?
21:49.37armijnhome
21:50.11armijnused the opportunity to throw some stuff away and clean everything
21:50.16Leedsboo :-)
21:50.49armijnand replace some things, instead of normal 10 Mbit hub I got router/switch/wireless access point now
21:51.29*** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@wibbleworld.demon.co.uk)
21:51.54Leedscool :-)
21:52.05armijnyeh, Dell Axim with wireless CF...
21:53.03Leedsheh :-)
21:54.47armijnit's running Windows mobile stuff
21:55.39armijngood excuse to do some research into interoperability
21:55.45Leedsarg
21:56.13armijnyes, evil, isn't it?
21:57.04Leedsso I've heard
21:57.55CopeFirst I couldn't email friend because my domain appeared as mybox,mydomain.net - so I changed 'my official domain' in sendmail.cf and now it won't let me relay!
21:58.01CopeHmm.
21:58.42CopeDid you only get half of that?
21:58.44CopeFirst I couldn't email friend because my domain appeared as mybox,mydomain.net - so I changed 'my official domain' in sendmail.cf and now it won't let me relay!
21:59.13Leedsdon't change your official domain
21:59.19Leedschange your 'masquerades as
21:59.22Leeds' domain
21:59.25Leedsargh
21:59.31CopeAh ok.
21:59.34Leedsyou'd have thought I'd have got used to this keyboard by now
21:59.57Leedsand note that if you're using a smarthost, all bets are potentially of
21:59.58Leedsoff
22:02.45armijnhmm...what programs use "usb.ids", hotplug perhaps?
22:02.53Leedsprobably, yes
22:03.58armijnhmm, I got a few devices which aren't in that list...maybe I should send in a patch
22:04.50CopeI can find a file that specifies which hosts can relay, htough.
22:04.56Leedsarmijn: got the latest hotplug package?
22:05.12armijnleeds: I'm totally clueless about hotplug :(
22:05.29LeedsCope: I don't have a machine with sendmail on it
22:05.37LeedsI thought it was something like Dm though
22:05.55Leedsarmijn: yeah, me, pretty much
22:07.15armijnhotplug will need some "digment" from my part...
22:07.34Leedsnight peep
22:07.35Leedss
22:07.35armijnhmm, same
22:07.39armijncya
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22:07.47*** part/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@modem-1262.gazelle.dialup.pol.co.uk)
22:10.14Copeyep - bed for me too

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