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09:58.33Xiaoqimorning all
10:06.45Leedshi
10:07.00Leedshow's it going?
10:09.47LeedsI was thinking that you hadn't been around much recently... I wanted to talk to you
10:10.32Xiaoqihehe
10:10.35XiaoqiI'm here now
10:10.42Xiaoqionly just got adsl
10:10.49Xiaoqihows you?
10:11.29Leedsnot too bad... currently on dial-up at home...
10:11.56Xiaoqiah
10:12.34LeedsI'm changing provider - hopefully, I'll have a pretty quick connection once it all goes through
10:13.00Xiaoqiyey :)
10:13.26Leedsit goes in phases - first old ISP disconnects, then BT disconnects, then new ISP orders connection from BT, then BT reconnect, then new ISP connects
10:13.56Xiaoqihmm
10:14.27Xiaoqiso instead of just swapping from one to the other, you have to wait for BT to finish playing silly buggers
10:14.30Leedsright now I've got the order for the new connection showing on my line, but it's not connected yet
10:15.17Leedsthere are two reasons for the slow change - Freeserve don't support migration (away) because it makes it too easy for people to disconnect... and the new ISP (Bulldog) actually use a different class of service from BT, so it would probably need a disconnect anyway
10:15.43Xiaoqiah
10:15.54murbLeeds: it sounds as if it would have been easier to have ordered a new BT line...
10:15.54Xiaoqithat makes more sense
10:16.02Leedsmurb: possibly
10:16.02murbalthough maybe more expensive but..
10:16.08eye69If BT can supply ADSL, and some other ADSL provider can also supply ADSL, does that mean that I should be able to get ADSL from any provider?
10:16.48Leedseye69: except for a very very small number of ISPs, everyone is just reselling BT's wholesale access products anyway
10:17.23Leedsso if you can get ADSL from BT, you should be able to get exactly the same basic level of connection from any other ISP
10:17.29eye69Sadly BlueYonder can't deliver to my new place, so I don't know what provider I will use.
10:18.29eye69BT say they can provide up to 2Mb.
10:21.42Leedsthen anyone should be able to provide 2meg ADSL
10:22.15eye69I'll go for 512k to begin with.
10:22.24eye69Sky is coming to install on thursday.
10:23.03eye69Checked with NTL, who seem to be able to provide based on the post code, but I believe NTL use capping.
10:26.06Xiaoqic ya later!
10:27.30Leedsargh
10:39.55eye69Congratulations, you've won a toaster
10:42.04Leedswee!
10:52.34eye69I need to get a fridge/freezer
10:57.35Xiaoqihihi
11:14.37LeedsI got a f/f a few months ago
11:15.12eye69I can't afford a new one, and don't have a clue where to find a used one around here
11:15.21LeedsLoot?
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11:33.34zacharyafternoon
11:45.16Xiaoqihi zachary
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12:37.25*** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@highbury.demon.co.uk)
12:52.07highburyanybody thinking of doing the LPI exam at Linux Expo?
12:56.26zacharyhey highbury
13:02.29highburyhi zach
13:02.48highburyI'm debating whether to drive back to expo
15:12.12WethrinLPI at Linux Expo?
15:14.09highburythinking about it, I haven't studied for it though
15:15.08highburyis there any downside on taking a flyer at it and just passing, as opposed to studying hard and getting a better mark?
15:15.49WethrinNot really.
15:15.56WethrinDoes it cost to take LPI at Expo?
15:26.11highbury£10
15:26.15WethrinHmm.
15:26.21WethrinMight be worth paying that, then.
15:26.21highburyreduced from $100
15:46.40WethrinHmm. I might do that, then.
15:47.00WethrinEven though I'm sure some of the questions are really quite pointless :)
15:47.14Wethrin(i.e. having to know them off the top of your head without being able to refer to man pages or --help)
15:53.23highburycheck out the linux expo pages, as the have a link to the *required* LPI registration
15:53.35WethrinHrm.
15:54.48WethrinUm. Where?
15:55.00highburydon't worry its free, its just that you need to tell the expo examiners what you LPI ID is
15:55.19highburyhttp://www.lpi.org
15:55.27WethrinAhhh.
15:55.34WethrinI thought you needed to register on the linuxexpo website.
15:56.03highburyyou probably still need to register there, to get your free entry
15:56.11WethrinI've got my ticket.
15:56.19WethrinSo I just need to get an LPI ID from lpi.org, yes?
15:58.06highburythink so
15:58.53WethrinRight. Done that.
16:00.32highburydang it! PC Books aren't offerring SuSE 9.0 at 20% discount for preorders :-(
16:02.18WethrinAww. Talk to the SuSE people tomorrow :)
16:05.25Leedsask Roger nicely :-)
16:05.32WethrinYes.
16:06.43highburyAmazon is offering it at £49.99 including postage
16:06.54WethrinNot the cheapest.
16:07.07WethrinErm. I meant, it's not cheap.
16:07.09highbury16% off allegedly
16:07.17highburytrue :-(
16:07.35highburybut cheaper than RedHat or Mandrake
16:07.49WethrinI guess. But you can download RedHat or Mandrake.
16:10.15Xiaoqihihi
16:10.21WethrinHi
16:10.25highburyand SuSE also put it on the FTP server after a month
16:10.29Jensonheya#
16:10.47highburybut at least SuSE offer free updates/downloads
16:11.02Jensonwell, time to go home BBL
16:11.14highburyunlike redhat or mandrake, who insist you join one of their "clubs"
16:11.18highburyby jenson
16:11.28Jensonmandrake is evil
16:11.30Jensonvery evil
16:11.46highburyespecially if swallowed
16:11.53Xiaoqilol
16:17.49WethrinHometime, maybe.
16:19.11nasratyou don't have to use up2date to get errata for rh/fedora
16:19.42nasratI use up2date with support for apt/yum repos :)  
16:20.10nasratThere is also a lot of work going on to unify meta data for apt/yum/up2date/red carpet for both rpm and dpkg
16:20.26WethrinWell, hometime later!
16:20.41WethrinI'm off now!
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17:09.04agk(reminder that if they're charging people to get into linux expo like before & someone doesn't have a ticket, they should contact someone already in the show to get an exhibitor badge from the GLLUG stand for them)
17:11.16formii suppose you could email that info to the list
17:11.36formii have used those tactics to get into other shows
17:13.20formineed to go
17:13.29formisee ya tomorrow
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17:25.22Jensonevening
17:31.21Jensonevning JD
17:35.11WethrinLinux expo already?
17:35.24Jensonhello again
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17:36.44Jensonhiya
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18:11.46Leedswoo!
18:11.51Jensoneya Leeds
18:11.58Leedsmy ADSL is almost back!
18:12.15Leeds:-)
18:12.18Jensonw00t!
18:12.42Leedsthe line is up - now all I should need are my account details
18:12.58Jenson:)#
18:13.07Leedsand the line is up with a downstream of 2272 :-)
18:14.00Leedsas opposed to the more traditiona 576
18:15.19WethrinI'm not supposed to be chatting.
18:15.29gregjLeeds: Wethrin: Hi
18:15.37Wethrinhi
18:15.49LeedsWethrin: ?
18:16.45JensonMr Wethrin pay attention to your MSN/Gaim/Trillian
18:16.55gregjkopete ?
18:17.45Leedsgregj: bah :-)
18:17.54Jensongod I'm obbessed with Mr again today, Mr Wethrin, Mr David, Mr Alex, Mr zimm, Mr Teasel, Mr Squrl and Mr zimm oh and Mr Trousersnake
18:18.52LeedsWethrin: how's Uni treating you?
18:19.04WethrinIt's treating me reasonably well.
18:19.24Leedsworking yet?
18:19.41WethrinYeah, some.
18:20.01Leedsgood :-)
18:20.59WethrinHeh
18:22.22WethrinGrr. The power cable has fallen out of my printer.
18:22.53Jensonits alright, we have a mousetrap on the desk and the bastard mouse was running across the printer this morning
18:29.29WethrinFood!
18:32.24highburytry create a login-shell which just consists of `echo "$@"' and throw ssh/rsh/scp/rcp/rsync commands at it
18:35.07JensonBRB need to boot into Win to install some disks for my dad
18:38.59Jensongod, my putty/win fonts are fucking crap
18:39.06Jenson<still>
18:40.18highburyI seem to have problems using putty to speak to a redhat box, and run man commands without the text slightly garbagelizing
18:43.25Jensonyou think with something made in 97 they could have put is on CD instead of disks ffs
18:44.16highburywhat on disks? jenson
18:44.33Jensonsome thing what teachezs pplmhow to use MS access
18:44.39Jensonteaches ppl how to
18:44.45Jensoneven
18:49.28Leedsand another good piece of news :-)
18:49.35Leedsprobably
18:50.44Jensongrr now i havre to sit around in Win for 20 mins waiting for msn messenger to finish d/ling
18:52.04Jensonoh well, i'll leave this to download and be back later
19:07.14Leedsjust no authentication, routing or data flow across it
19:08.56WethrinWhich isn't much use :)
19:10.51Leedsindeed... but it is a very quick connection :-)
19:11.25WethrinIn theory :)
19:12.16Leedsno! in practice!
19:12.37Leedsthe line is connected at the ATM level at a high speed
19:12.41WethrinNot if it can't send packets.
19:13.03Leedsit can send packets
19:13.15LeedsI can communicate with the authentication server as much as I like
19:13.27Leedsand it communicates with me... it says "No"
19:16.02WethrinGoing nowhere fast, then.
19:16.27Leedsoh yes... but still going fast
19:17.31WethrinYes, well.
19:17.39LeedsI'll call them in the morning, ask for my account details
19:17.52WethrinGood idea.
19:17.54JDsomeone shout?
19:18.23JDoh only Jenson
19:18.37WethrinWE'RE VERY QUIET HERE!
19:18.47JDWELL SAY SOMETHING THEN
19:18.53LeedsSAY WHAT?
19:19.01WethrinSOMETHING THEN
19:19.51JDWethrin: gets a cookie
19:20.21WethrinYay!
19:28.54Leedsibot change 2599 usd to gbp
19:53.25gregjibot: change 1000 zl to gbp
19:53.43gregjhe ?
19:53.53gregjibot change 1000 pln to gbp
19:53.56Wethrinzl isn't the ISO currency code for Zloty.
19:54.01gregjgood boy
19:54.02WethrinSee :)
19:55.38gregjibot good boy
19:55.38:), gregj
19:57.02Leedsibot botsnack
19:57.02aw, gee, Leeds
19:58.03highburylooks like Sun's Java Desktop will be based on SUSE LINUX Desktop!
19:58.14highburyhttp://www.suse.de/en/company/press/press_releases/archive03/sun_desktop.html
19:58.24Leedshighbury: you only just worked that out?
19:58.31gregjhighbury: on suse ?
19:58.38gregjhighbury: suse desktop == KDE
19:58.56gregjsun dislike kde very much
19:59.23highburyibot change 89.95 eu to gbp
19:59.23Leedsgregj: you talk crap
19:59.30gregjmaybe
19:59.44highburyibot change 89.95 euro to gbp
20:00.14gregjibot change 100 gbp to gbp
20:00.14gregj:D
20:03.55Leedswoohoo!
20:03.59Leeds98 places left!
20:04.12WethrinOn-hold queue?
20:04.21gregj3
20:04.26gregjoups
20:04.45Leedsof 500 discounted places
20:05.00WethrinFor what?
20:05.34LeedsLimmud
20:05.45WethrinHm.
20:05.49Leedsabout time I got around to applying
20:09.41WethrinHm.
20:09.53gregjJD: present ?
20:10.40Leedsgift?
20:10.51Wethringrift
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20:20.00richardc_Jenson: you'll appreciate this...
20:20.51Leedsthink of a hot, malted drink
20:21.25Leedsnope
20:21.27Leedsname that drink
20:21.41cupisgregj: Oct 07 20:23:12 <JD>    going home or pub
20:22.09WethrinHorlicks!
20:22.26LeedsWethrin: quite right
20:22.52Jensonwell, the fact that id given up and gotten distracted by my sex drive, i withhold my answer lol
20:24.24highburyleeds was Solaris 2.7 known as "7" or "2.7" ?
20:24.40Leedshighbury: 7 - it went from 2.6 to 7 AFAIK
20:24.56highburytx leeds
20:25.19LeedsJenson: you are, of course, all id, aren't you?
20:25.32gregji need some brit to proff read one .ui file in KDE
20:25.39gregjand he is a good candidate
20:25.40gregj:]
20:26.28JensonLeeds: nah, im just fucking hyper ATM
20:26.35Leedsall id
20:26.37WethrinWho is hyper?
20:27.03JensonWethrin: not me
20:29.21Jensonim not a question, im just young, cute, female and geek :P
20:29.41Leedsand all id
20:30.55Jensonif i could remember the difference between id and the other one i forgot the name of it would help
20:31.04Leedsibot jenson is all id
20:31.06okay, Leeds
20:33.34Leeds(by the way - there are 3 of them)
20:34.02Jensonwas there
20:34.30Leedstry psych 101
20:34.51Jensoni'll ask resuBitch or stephanb or zimm, they'll explain
20:35.36Leedshow about looking it up?
20:35.54Jensonmaybe
20:36.10JensonLeeds: im just a normal young wmoan, out looking for love
20:36.17Jensonand right now im gonna toast a bagel
20:36.17JensonBRB
20:39.52Jensonok, im not quite normal, but i have normal feelings and desires
20:40.05Jensonlike i should be geetting a copy of Slack 9.1 this weekend yay!
20:40.43Leedsme too...
20:41.22LeedsI bought mine from Pat :-)
20:42.39JensonWell, cozmonort downloaded it coz he's got broadband, now ive just gotta convince my dad to let me take the burner with me
20:44.21LeedsI'm waiting for my ADSL and laptop more
20:44.30Jensondo gllug have a christmas gathering, or are there a lot of ppl that dont do christmas
20:46.21Leedsnone that I'm aware of
20:47.11Jensoni see, it would be a cool idea, but it would be difficult coz we have so many different cultures and stuff
20:48.30LeedsI don't think anything directly Christmassy would be appropriate
20:48.39Jensonexactly
20:48.42Jensonthats what i mean
20:48.55Jensonhow about Halloween i mean the installfest is on the day after
20:49.13WethrinWhat about it?
20:49.18Jensonnot that i know if we have any real pagans
20:49.23JensonWethrin: halloween parties
20:49.34LeedsJenson: this isn't a social club
20:49.44WethrinYeah. That's Lonix.
20:49.47Jensongrrr im covered in butter spread
20:50.01LeedsWethrin: exactly
20:50.14Jensonsocializing is good
20:50.23Jensonesp coz im one of the only girls
20:50.35LeedsJenson: so go to Lonix
20:50.41Jensoni cant
20:50.51WethrinDon't complain then.
20:51.08JensonWethrin: heh, well ive erm 'socialized' with you before darling :P
20:52.27Jensonnot that that is the kinda socializing i mean
20:54.14Jensonerm, guys, did i scare everyone again
20:54.38WethrinYes.
20:56.47LeedsWethrin: so... which mac sites should I be reading?
20:57.09WethrinErm. I don't tend to read Mac sites :)
20:57.32Leedsokay... which mac sites don't you read?
20:58.18WethrinErm.
20:58.28Jensonerm, all of them :P
20:58.32WethrinI can't think of them OTTOMH.
20:59.01Jensonwhen did we start acronyming OTTOMH?
20:59.12LeedsRSN AFAIK
20:59.19WethrinI started a long time ago.
20:59.22Jensonlol
20:59.28LeedsSTFU
20:59.39Jensonlol
21:11.34Leedsseeya
21:11.37Jensonseeya highbury
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21:17.28cozmonorthello
21:18.29Leedsprove it?
21:18.59Jensonprove what darling?
21:19.27Leedswasn't talking to you
21:19.33cozmonortme ?
21:19.34Leeds:-)
21:19.35Leedsyes
21:19.42cozmonortprove what ?
21:20.53JensonWethrin: Leeds is a sweetie, he's got a cute face
21:21.06WethrinWhat does that have to do with anything?
21:21.07Leedsibot jenson
21:21.08i heard jenson is all id
21:21.21WethrinWizard of Id?
21:21.26Leedsnope
21:21.41WethrinCare to explain id, then?
21:21.54LeedsWethrin: see Freud
21:22.26Leedsthen see google :-)
21:22.38Wethrinibot google for id
21:22.53Jensonyeh iD
21:22.56Jensoni love DooM
21:25.26Jensontime i went to sleep
21:25.28Jensongood night guys
21:25.58cozmonortgoodnight ppl
21:26.31WethrinWhy do I think that none of those links has anything to do with Freud?
21:27.44LeedsI think you could be right
21:29.31WethrinFound it, anyway.
23:19.16gregjWethrin: present ?
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