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09:58.33 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
10:06.45 | Leeds | hi |
10:07.00 | Leeds | how's it going? |
10:09.47 | Leeds | I was thinking that you hadn't been around much recently... I wanted to talk to you |
10:10.32 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
10:10.35 | Xiaoqi | I'm here now |
10:10.42 | Xiaoqi | only just got adsl |
10:10.49 | Xiaoqi | hows you? |
10:11.29 | Leeds | not too bad... currently on dial-up at home... |
10:11.56 | Xiaoqi | ah |
10:12.34 | Leeds | I'm changing provider - hopefully, I'll have a pretty quick connection once it all goes through |
10:13.00 | Xiaoqi | yey :) |
10:13.26 | Leeds | it goes in phases - first old ISP disconnects, then BT disconnects, then new ISP orders connection from BT, then BT reconnect, then new ISP connects |
10:13.56 | Xiaoqi | hmm |
10:14.27 | Xiaoqi | so instead of just swapping from one to the other, you have to wait for BT to finish playing silly buggers |
10:14.30 | Leeds | right now I've got the order for the new connection showing on my line, but it's not connected yet |
10:15.17 | Leeds | there are two reasons for the slow change - Freeserve don't support migration (away) because it makes it too easy for people to disconnect... and the new ISP (Bulldog) actually use a different class of service from BT, so it would probably need a disconnect anyway |
10:15.43 | Xiaoqi | ah |
10:15.54 | murb | Leeds: it sounds as if it would have been easier to have ordered a new BT line... |
10:15.54 | Xiaoqi | that makes more sense |
10:16.02 | Leeds | murb: possibly |
10:16.02 | murb | although maybe more expensive but.. |
10:16.08 | eye69 | If BT can supply ADSL, and some other ADSL provider can also supply ADSL, does that mean that I should be able to get ADSL from any provider? |
10:16.48 | Leeds | eye69: except for a very very small number of ISPs, everyone is just reselling BT's wholesale access products anyway |
10:17.23 | Leeds | so if you can get ADSL from BT, you should be able to get exactly the same basic level of connection from any other ISP |
10:17.29 | eye69 | Sadly BlueYonder can't deliver to my new place, so I don't know what provider I will use. |
10:18.29 | eye69 | BT say they can provide up to 2Mb. |
10:21.42 | Leeds | then anyone should be able to provide 2meg ADSL |
10:22.15 | eye69 | I'll go for 512k to begin with. |
10:22.24 | eye69 | Sky is coming to install on thursday. |
10:23.03 | eye69 | Checked with NTL, who seem to be able to provide based on the post code, but I believe NTL use capping. |
10:26.06 | Xiaoqi | c ya later! |
10:27.30 | Leeds | argh |
10:39.55 | eye69 | Congratulations, you've won a toaster |
10:42.04 | Leeds | wee! |
10:52.34 | eye69 | I need to get a fridge/freezer |
10:57.35 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
11:14.37 | Leeds | I got a f/f a few months ago |
11:15.12 | eye69 | I can't afford a new one, and don't have a clue where to find a used one around here |
11:15.21 | Leeds | Loot? |
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11:33.34 | zachary | afternoon |
11:45.16 | Xiaoqi | hi zachary |
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12:52.07 | highbury | anybody thinking of doing the LPI exam at Linux Expo? |
12:56.26 | zachary | hey highbury |
13:02.29 | highbury | hi zach |
13:02.48 | highbury | I'm debating whether to drive back to expo |
15:12.12 | Wethrin | LPI at Linux Expo? |
15:14.09 | highbury | thinking about it, I haven't studied for it though |
15:15.08 | highbury | is there any downside on taking a flyer at it and just passing, as opposed to studying hard and getting a better mark? |
15:15.49 | Wethrin | Not really. |
15:15.56 | Wethrin | Does it cost to take LPI at Expo? |
15:26.11 | highbury | £10 |
15:26.15 | Wethrin | Hmm. |
15:26.21 | Wethrin | Might be worth paying that, then. |
15:26.21 | highbury | reduced from $100 |
15:46.40 | Wethrin | Hmm. I might do that, then. |
15:47.00 | Wethrin | Even though I'm sure some of the questions are really quite pointless :) |
15:47.14 | Wethrin | (i.e. having to know them off the top of your head without being able to refer to man pages or --help) |
15:53.23 | highbury | check out the linux expo pages, as the have a link to the *required* LPI registration |
15:53.35 | Wethrin | Hrm. |
15:54.48 | Wethrin | Um. Where? |
15:55.00 | highbury | don't worry its free, its just that you need to tell the expo examiners what you LPI ID is |
15:55.19 | highbury | http://www.lpi.org |
15:55.27 | Wethrin | Ahhh. |
15:55.34 | Wethrin | I thought you needed to register on the linuxexpo website. |
15:56.03 | highbury | you probably still need to register there, to get your free entry |
15:56.11 | Wethrin | I've got my ticket. |
15:56.19 | Wethrin | So I just need to get an LPI ID from lpi.org, yes? |
15:58.06 | highbury | think so |
15:58.53 | Wethrin | Right. Done that. |
16:00.32 | highbury | dang it! PC Books aren't offerring SuSE 9.0 at 20% discount for preorders :-( |
16:02.18 | Wethrin | Aww. Talk to the SuSE people tomorrow :) |
16:05.25 | Leeds | ask Roger nicely :-) |
16:05.32 | Wethrin | Yes. |
16:06.43 | highbury | Amazon is offering it at £49.99 including postage |
16:06.54 | Wethrin | Not the cheapest. |
16:07.07 | Wethrin | Erm. I meant, it's not cheap. |
16:07.09 | highbury | 16% off allegedly |
16:07.17 | highbury | true :-( |
16:07.35 | highbury | but cheaper than RedHat or Mandrake |
16:07.49 | Wethrin | I guess. But you can download RedHat or Mandrake. |
16:10.15 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
16:10.21 | Wethrin | Hi |
16:10.25 | highbury | and SuSE also put it on the FTP server after a month |
16:10.29 | Jenson | heya# |
16:10.47 | highbury | but at least SuSE offer free updates/downloads |
16:11.02 | Jenson | well, time to go home BBL |
16:11.14 | highbury | unlike redhat or mandrake, who insist you join one of their "clubs" |
16:11.18 | highbury | by jenson |
16:11.28 | Jenson | mandrake is evil |
16:11.30 | Jenson | very evil |
16:11.46 | highbury | especially if swallowed |
16:11.53 | Xiaoqi | lol |
16:17.49 | Wethrin | Hometime, maybe. |
16:19.11 | nasrat | you don't have to use up2date to get errata for rh/fedora |
16:19.42 | nasrat | I use up2date with support for apt/yum repos :) |
16:20.10 | nasrat | There is also a lot of work going on to unify meta data for apt/yum/up2date/red carpet for both rpm and dpkg |
16:20.26 | Wethrin | Well, hometime later! |
16:20.41 | Wethrin | I'm off now! |
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17:09.04 | agk | (reminder that if they're charging people to get into linux expo like before & someone doesn't have a ticket, they should contact someone already in the show to get an exhibitor badge from the GLLUG stand for them) |
17:11.16 | formi | i suppose you could email that info to the list |
17:11.36 | formi | i have used those tactics to get into other shows |
17:13.20 | formi | need to go |
17:13.29 | formi | see ya tomorrow |
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17:25.22 | Jenson | evening |
17:31.21 | Jenson | evning JD |
17:35.11 | Wethrin | Linux expo already? |
17:35.24 | Jenson | hello again |
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17:36.44 | Jenson | hiya |
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18:11.46 | Leeds | woo! |
18:11.51 | Jenson | eya Leeds |
18:11.58 | Leeds | my ADSL is almost back! |
18:12.15 | Leeds | :-) |
18:12.18 | Jenson | w00t! |
18:12.42 | Leeds | the line is up - now all I should need are my account details |
18:12.58 | Jenson | :)# |
18:13.07 | Leeds | and the line is up with a downstream of 2272 :-) |
18:14.00 | Leeds | as opposed to the more traditiona 576 |
18:15.19 | Wethrin | I'm not supposed to be chatting. |
18:15.29 | gregj | Leeds: Wethrin: Hi |
18:15.37 | Wethrin | hi |
18:15.49 | Leeds | Wethrin: ? |
18:16.45 | Jenson | Mr Wethrin pay attention to your MSN/Gaim/Trillian |
18:16.55 | gregj | kopete ? |
18:17.45 | Leeds | gregj: bah :-) |
18:17.54 | Jenson | god I'm obbessed with Mr again today, Mr Wethrin, Mr David, Mr Alex, Mr zimm, Mr Teasel, Mr Squrl and Mr zimm oh and Mr Trousersnake |
18:18.52 | Leeds | Wethrin: how's Uni treating you? |
18:19.04 | Wethrin | It's treating me reasonably well. |
18:19.24 | Leeds | working yet? |
18:19.41 | Wethrin | Yeah, some. |
18:20.01 | Leeds | good :-) |
18:20.59 | Wethrin | Heh |
18:22.22 | Wethrin | Grr. The power cable has fallen out of my printer. |
18:22.53 | Jenson | its alright, we have a mousetrap on the desk and the bastard mouse was running across the printer this morning |
18:29.29 | Wethrin | Food! |
18:32.24 | highbury | try create a login-shell which just consists of `echo "$@"' and throw ssh/rsh/scp/rcp/rsync commands at it |
18:35.07 | Jenson | BRB need to boot into Win to install some disks for my dad |
18:38.59 | Jenson | god, my putty/win fonts are fucking crap |
18:39.06 | Jenson | <still> |
18:40.18 | highbury | I seem to have problems using putty to speak to a redhat box, and run man commands without the text slightly garbagelizing |
18:43.25 | Jenson | you think with something made in 97 they could have put is on CD instead of disks ffs |
18:44.16 | highbury | what on disks? jenson |
18:44.33 | Jenson | some thing what teachezs pplmhow to use MS access |
18:44.39 | Jenson | teaches ppl how to |
18:44.45 | Jenson | even |
18:49.28 | Leeds | and another good piece of news :-) |
18:49.35 | Leeds | probably |
18:50.44 | Jenson | grr now i havre to sit around in Win for 20 mins waiting for msn messenger to finish d/ling |
18:52.04 | Jenson | oh well, i'll leave this to download and be back later |
19:07.14 | Leeds | just no authentication, routing or data flow across it |
19:08.56 | Wethrin | Which isn't much use :) |
19:10.51 | Leeds | indeed... but it is a very quick connection :-) |
19:11.25 | Wethrin | In theory :) |
19:12.16 | Leeds | no! in practice! |
19:12.37 | Leeds | the line is connected at the ATM level at a high speed |
19:12.41 | Wethrin | Not if it can't send packets. |
19:13.03 | Leeds | it can send packets |
19:13.15 | Leeds | I can communicate with the authentication server as much as I like |
19:13.27 | Leeds | and it communicates with me... it says "No" |
19:16.02 | Wethrin | Going nowhere fast, then. |
19:16.27 | Leeds | oh yes... but still going fast |
19:17.31 | Wethrin | Yes, well. |
19:17.39 | Leeds | I'll call them in the morning, ask for my account details |
19:17.52 | Wethrin | Good idea. |
19:17.54 | JD | someone shout? |
19:18.23 | JD | oh only Jenson |
19:18.37 | Wethrin | WE'RE VERY QUIET HERE! |
19:18.47 | JD | WELL SAY SOMETHING THEN |
19:18.53 | Leeds | SAY WHAT? |
19:19.01 | Wethrin | SOMETHING THEN |
19:19.51 | JD | Wethrin: gets a cookie |
19:20.21 | Wethrin | Yay! |
19:28.54 | Leeds | ibot change 2599 usd to gbp |
19:53.25 | gregj | ibot: change 1000 zl to gbp |
19:53.43 | gregj | he ? |
19:53.53 | gregj | ibot change 1000 pln to gbp |
19:53.56 | Wethrin | zl isn't the ISO currency code for Zloty. |
19:54.01 | gregj | good boy |
19:54.02 | Wethrin | See :) |
19:55.38 | gregj | ibot good boy |
19:55.38 | | :), gregj |
19:57.02 | Leeds | ibot botsnack |
19:57.02 | | aw, gee, Leeds |
19:58.03 | highbury | looks like Sun's Java Desktop will be based on SUSE LINUX Desktop! |
19:58.14 | highbury | http://www.suse.de/en/company/press/press_releases/archive03/sun_desktop.html |
19:58.24 | Leeds | highbury: you only just worked that out? |
19:58.31 | gregj | highbury: on suse ? |
19:58.38 | gregj | highbury: suse desktop == KDE |
19:58.56 | gregj | sun dislike kde very much |
19:59.23 | highbury | ibot change 89.95 eu to gbp |
19:59.23 | Leeds | gregj: you talk crap |
19:59.30 | gregj | maybe |
19:59.44 | highbury | ibot change 89.95 euro to gbp |
20:00.14 | gregj | ibot change 100 gbp to gbp |
20:00.14 | gregj | :D |
20:03.55 | Leeds | woohoo! |
20:03.59 | Leeds | 98 places left! |
20:04.12 | Wethrin | On-hold queue? |
20:04.21 | gregj | 3 |
20:04.26 | gregj | oups |
20:04.45 | Leeds | of 500 discounted places |
20:05.00 | Wethrin | For what? |
20:05.34 | Leeds | Limmud |
20:05.45 | Wethrin | Hm. |
20:05.49 | Leeds | about time I got around to applying |
20:09.41 | Wethrin | Hm. |
20:09.53 | gregj | JD: present ? |
20:10.40 | Leeds | gift? |
20:10.51 | Wethrin | grift |
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20:20.00 | richardc_ | Jenson: you'll appreciate this... |
20:20.51 | Leeds | think of a hot, malted drink |
20:21.25 | Leeds | nope |
20:21.27 | Leeds | name that drink |
20:21.41 | cupis | gregj: Oct 07 20:23:12 <JD> going home or pub |
20:22.09 | Wethrin | Horlicks! |
20:22.26 | Leeds | Wethrin: quite right |
20:22.52 | Jenson | well, the fact that id given up and gotten distracted by my sex drive, i withhold my answer lol |
20:24.24 | highbury | leeds was Solaris 2.7 known as "7" or "2.7" ? |
20:24.40 | Leeds | highbury: 7 - it went from 2.6 to 7 AFAIK |
20:24.56 | highbury | tx leeds |
20:25.19 | Leeds | Jenson: you are, of course, all id, aren't you? |
20:25.32 | gregj | i need some brit to proff read one .ui file in KDE |
20:25.39 | gregj | and he is a good candidate |
20:25.40 | gregj | :] |
20:26.28 | Jenson | Leeds: nah, im just fucking hyper ATM |
20:26.35 | Leeds | all id |
20:26.37 | Wethrin | Who is hyper? |
20:27.03 | Jenson | Wethrin: not me |
20:29.21 | Jenson | im not a question, im just young, cute, female and geek :P |
20:29.41 | Leeds | and all id |
20:30.55 | Jenson | if i could remember the difference between id and the other one i forgot the name of it would help |
20:31.04 | Leeds | ibot jenson is all id |
20:31.06 | | okay, Leeds |
20:33.34 | Leeds | (by the way - there are 3 of them) |
20:34.02 | Jenson | was there |
20:34.30 | Leeds | try psych 101 |
20:34.51 | Jenson | i'll ask resuBitch or stephanb or zimm, they'll explain |
20:35.36 | Leeds | how about looking it up? |
20:35.54 | Jenson | maybe |
20:36.10 | Jenson | Leeds: im just a normal young wmoan, out looking for love |
20:36.17 | Jenson | and right now im gonna toast a bagel |
20:36.17 | Jenson | BRB |
20:39.52 | Jenson | ok, im not quite normal, but i have normal feelings and desires |
20:40.05 | Jenson | like i should be geetting a copy of Slack 9.1 this weekend yay! |
20:40.43 | Leeds | me too... |
20:41.22 | Leeds | I bought mine from Pat :-) |
20:42.39 | Jenson | Well, cozmonort downloaded it coz he's got broadband, now ive just gotta convince my dad to let me take the burner with me |
20:44.21 | Leeds | I'm waiting for my ADSL and laptop more |
20:44.30 | Jenson | do gllug have a christmas gathering, or are there a lot of ppl that dont do christmas |
20:46.21 | Leeds | none that I'm aware of |
20:47.11 | Jenson | i see, it would be a cool idea, but it would be difficult coz we have so many different cultures and stuff |
20:48.30 | Leeds | I don't think anything directly Christmassy would be appropriate |
20:48.39 | Jenson | exactly |
20:48.42 | Jenson | thats what i mean |
20:48.55 | Jenson | how about Halloween i mean the installfest is on the day after |
20:49.13 | Wethrin | What about it? |
20:49.18 | Jenson | not that i know if we have any real pagans |
20:49.23 | Jenson | Wethrin: halloween parties |
20:49.34 | Leeds | Jenson: this isn't a social club |
20:49.44 | Wethrin | Yeah. That's Lonix. |
20:49.47 | Jenson | grrr im covered in butter spread |
20:50.01 | Leeds | Wethrin: exactly |
20:50.14 | Jenson | socializing is good |
20:50.23 | Jenson | esp coz im one of the only girls |
20:50.35 | Leeds | Jenson: so go to Lonix |
20:50.41 | Jenson | i cant |
20:50.51 | Wethrin | Don't complain then. |
20:51.08 | Jenson | Wethrin: heh, well ive erm 'socialized' with you before darling :P |
20:52.27 | Jenson | not that that is the kinda socializing i mean |
20:54.14 | Jenson | erm, guys, did i scare everyone again |
20:54.38 | Wethrin | Yes. |
20:56.47 | Leeds | Wethrin: so... which mac sites should I be reading? |
20:57.09 | Wethrin | Erm. I don't tend to read Mac sites :) |
20:57.32 | Leeds | okay... which mac sites don't you read? |
20:58.18 | Wethrin | Erm. |
20:58.28 | Jenson | erm, all of them :P |
20:58.32 | Wethrin | I can't think of them OTTOMH. |
20:59.01 | Jenson | when did we start acronyming OTTOMH? |
20:59.12 | Leeds | RSN AFAIK |
20:59.19 | Wethrin | I started a long time ago. |
20:59.22 | Jenson | lol |
20:59.28 | Leeds | STFU |
20:59.39 | Jenson | lol |
21:11.34 | Leeds | seeya |
21:11.37 | Jenson | seeya highbury |
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21:17.28 | cozmonort | hello |
21:18.29 | Leeds | prove it? |
21:18.59 | Jenson | prove what darling? |
21:19.27 | Leeds | wasn't talking to you |
21:19.33 | cozmonort | me ? |
21:19.34 | Leeds | :-) |
21:19.35 | Leeds | yes |
21:19.42 | cozmonort | prove what ? |
21:20.53 | Jenson | Wethrin: Leeds is a sweetie, he's got a cute face |
21:21.06 | Wethrin | What does that have to do with anything? |
21:21.07 | Leeds | ibot jenson |
21:21.08 | | i heard jenson is all id |
21:21.21 | Wethrin | Wizard of Id? |
21:21.26 | Leeds | nope |
21:21.41 | Wethrin | Care to explain id, then? |
21:21.54 | Leeds | Wethrin: see Freud |
21:22.26 | Leeds | then see google :-) |
21:22.38 | Wethrin | ibot google for id |
21:22.53 | Jenson | yeh iD |
21:22.56 | Jenson | i love DooM |
21:25.26 | Jenson | time i went to sleep |
21:25.28 | Jenson | good night guys |
21:25.58 | cozmonort | goodnight ppl |
21:26.31 | Wethrin | Why do I think that none of those links has anything to do with Freud? |
21:27.44 | Leeds | I think you could be right |
21:29.31 | Wethrin | Found it, anyway. |
23:19.16 | gregj | Wethrin: present ? |
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