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00:04.46sanelson_ibot seen leeds
00:04.47leeds is currently on #gllug #handhelds.org.  Has said a total of 3 messages.  Is idling for 51m 26s
00:05.07sanelson_ibot seen clyphox
00:05.08clyphox is currently on #gllug (4h 41m 10s).  Has said a total of 25 messages.  Is idling for 46m 10s
00:05.27sanelson_night then
00:05.41Cope:o)
00:11.00Clyphoxnn
00:30.45JDhi all
00:30.51JDhi Clyphox
00:30.54murblo
00:32.17Clyphoxmoo
00:32.50murbbaah
00:34.46Clyphox<- playing deus Ex
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07:39.07JDanyone here?
07:40.07eye69Yep
07:42.41JDhi
07:43.43eye69Hello
07:43.59eye6914400 modem is not fun. Taking like 15 minutes to update the package list
07:44.20eye69Installing squid. :)
07:46.44JDno
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09:42.19JDhi rich
09:42.40Leedsmorning
09:45.28JDwhere have you hidden everyone?
09:46.16LeedsLondon... I thought you knew that?
09:46.28Jensonmorning
09:47.39JDstill?
09:48.35Leedsdunno
09:48.48JensonJD: did you get my text the other day?
09:49.29Jensonlol
09:51.06Leedsyou're a nihilist?
09:51.32JDyes
09:51.44Leedsor no?
09:52.25JDwho said that?
09:53.52Leedsno-one
09:54.45JDwho said that?
09:56.22Jensongood idea
10:04.17Leedswhich one?
10:05.10Jensonthe second one
10:05.18Jensonand then the first one if you feel like it
10:05.53LeedsI could do both in one trip, maybe...
10:06.26Jensoni might make a trip from here to burger king, but thats about it
10:07.27WethrinBah. Crossovers. Just get an auto-sensing switch/network card.
10:07.28WethrinWorks for me :)
10:07.49LeedsWethrin: hmm? a card that senses a direct connection?
10:08.18WethrinYes.
10:08.19Jensonmorning Wethrin
10:08.19WethrinPowerbooks have that.
10:08.23WethrinHi
10:08.36Leedswell, I don't have a powerbook yet
10:09.46WethrinBye
10:13.14JDrecent smc hubs do it
10:13.19JDit is rather cool
10:13.27JDI haven;t seen any nics doing it yet
10:20.14JDcynic
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10:23.59WethrinHEh.
10:24.02WethrinWell, I need to be off now for a bit
10:24.15JDbye
10:24.16JDhi
10:25.44Xiaoqihi all
10:34.29Jensonheya
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10:44.27Jensonwb eye69
11:18.12JensonClyphox: morning
11:18.28Clyphoxheya
11:18.30JDhi
11:18.45Clyphoxsalutations
11:19.22Jensonfinally removed yourself from the sofa, you were fast asleep when i arrrived, only got greeted by a purry Ashi pig
11:21.02Clyphoxwas I snoring?
11:21.18Jensona little
11:21.36Jensonbut im used to alex
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11:40.54Jensonheya BorgBaby
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12:36.09Clyphoxpray tell?
12:36.26LeedsI took advice from the bloke in the computer shop :-(
12:36.34Clyphoxyou kid!
12:37.30LeedsI went in to get a cheap NIC and a cross-over cable... so I could plug my 'router' PC straight into my ADSL modem/router rather than through my hub - makes monitoring and configuration easier
12:38.10Leedshe said ah, no, it's a router, you want a straight cable, not a cross-over
12:38.43Leedshe was wrong... he'd already made up the cable, so he snipped it and remade it as a straight one (not that I have any shortage of straight cables at home)
12:40.13Leedsguess I'll go back and get him to re-cross it again...
12:40.19jasonlamberthmm...
12:40.36jasonlambertnormally you use a straight cable, but use the uplink port on one of the devices
12:41.32jasonlambertoh, my bad
12:41.34Leedsit's not really a router, in that sense, I think
12:41.52jasonlambertjust re-read what you wrote
12:42.14jasonlambertYou will still use a straight cable though
12:42.25Leeds?
12:42.40Leedsright now, I'm connecting router to hub with a straight cable
12:42.51LeedsI want to connect router to PC, for which I need a cross-over cable
12:43.11jasonlambertAre you sure?
12:43.30Leedsaccording to experimental evidence - i.e. a straight cable doesn't work... and the router docs...
12:43.33jasonlambertim fairly certain that you use a straight cable to connect PC to hub/switch/router
12:43.54jasonlambertwhat router do you have?
12:44.46Leedsthat's the point! it's not really a router in that sense
12:44.58Leedsit's an ADSL modem which does stuff like NAT and port forwarding...
12:46.01jasonlambertok, what make is the DSL modem?
12:46.12LeedsPTI
12:46.17Leedsaka no-name far eastern
12:47.18Leedsit's a PTI PAE-CE81
12:48.37Leedsif I plug the PC and the 'router' into the hub using straight cables... I need a cross-over to bypass the hub, surely?
12:53.11JDLeeds: as him for a 2cm cross-over and a stright through connector
12:53.25LeedsJD: ?
12:53.53jasonlambertso its: PC --- <hub> --- <'router'>
12:53.56JDLeeds: get a very short crossover
12:54.10JDand then you can change between stright and crossover
12:54.18JDby putting it on the end
12:54.28LeedsJD: yes, I got a 1m crossover - I have a bag of straight through cables
12:54.52JDs/cable/connector/
12:55.11Leedsall I need is a cross-over cable
12:55.59JDbut if you get a couple of these things then all you need is stright through cables
12:56.15Leedsthat doesn't bother me
12:56.27JDthey are very useful
12:57.00LeedsI have a generally pretty static network
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15:11.34JDLeeds: surely that should be the other way?
15:11.36JDaround?
15:11.44Leedsnope - reverse connection
15:12.03Leedseasier to fiddle with my 'firewall' - NAT port forwarding - than theirs
15:12.07JDanyway it is more of crap windows software which doens;t repaint properly in vnc
15:12.57Leedsyes
15:13.11Leedsbut it's pretty usable with ADSL on both ends
15:19.55JDare you using the tight enconding?
15:20.14Leedsnope
15:20.28Leedsthey have a pretty old install... I have the tight client
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15:22.01WethrinHi
15:22.17zacharyafternoon Wethrin
15:22.24zacharyHow's uni going?
15:22.43Leedshey zachary, how's kid/mom doing?
15:23.23zacharyThey are doing great. Corbin is gaining weight. :)
15:23.26WethrinUni's still going okay :)
15:26.00zacharyjust had an exam yesterday. Didn't do so well. :(
15:26.12Leedsoops :-(
15:32.34Leedshmm... Microsoft advert on LinuxToday: "Find out how much easier we've made licensing our communications protocols.  Click here."
15:56.47gregjre
15:58.27Wethrinre?
16:00.19gregjre(turned)
16:00.23gregjor something like this
16:03.59WethrinYes.
16:04.08Leedsping
16:04.13gregjdupa
16:04.14gregj:D
16:04.19Leedsthank you
16:04.26gregjj/k
16:04.33Leedswell, that was easy once I had the right cable...
16:05.12Leedsback in a bit
16:10.34JDI was under the impression it was from hello -> re-hello -> re
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16:13.53Leedsargh! there's an advert on TV for my phone with one of the phone noises in it... every time the ad comes on, I think I've just got an SMS ;-)
16:14.06JD:)
16:14.25JDcan you change the sms sound on your phone?
16:14.35Leedsyes
16:14.46Leedsit currently goes "bong" like a bell
16:14.50JDdo you not think that would be the solution to your problem?
16:15.01JDor have you and are still learning
16:15.10Leedsit's not a problem...
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16:46.36Leedsis it just me who can't talk to sourceforge's CVS server?
16:47.00JDno idea
16:47.25cupisLeeds: probably not, I've found it to be a bit flaky the last few weeks.
16:47.59Leedshmm... and E4 just edited out the word hooker, leaving huh behind :-)
16:48.15JDwhere?
16:48.29LeedsFriends
16:48.31JDyou are tivoing again aren't you
16:48.42Leedsduh :-)
16:48.46Leedsit was on just now
16:49.03JDI'll have to catch it on E4+1
16:49.03Leeds15-20 minutes ago, maybe
16:49.09JDhmmm
16:58.10JDLeeds: very funny E4 ad coming up in about 15-20 min
16:58.26Leeds?
16:58.32Leedsend of friends?
16:58.37JDyes
16:58.48murbend of life as we know it?
17:18.29JDw3perl/
17:18.59gregjyep
17:19.33JDLeeds: which episode was the whore in?
17:19.58LeedsPhoebie
17:20.06JDnear end?
17:20.17Leedsyeah, at the credits
17:20.22JDokay
17:20.38Leedsshe bit her client...
17:24.31gregjWethrin: oh, address - moment, i'll give you on msg :D
17:25.54JDI see what you mean
17:28.20Leedswhole thing has lots of little cuts, I think
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17:31.06gregjJD: why w3perl is not packaged for debian , grr
17:31.13JDwhat is it?
17:31.23gregjstats in perl
17:31.38gregjibot search for w3stat
17:31.40gregj: no idea
17:31.41gregjibot search for w3perl
17:31.42gregj: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
17:31.48gregjibot google for w3perl
17:33.09gregjquite good thing
18:10.55ClyphoxHey all
18:12.07WethrinHay.
18:12.54Leedsmorning
18:14.17WethrinOnly in some parts of the world
18:15.53JDabout a third of it
18:16.15Leedswell, 1/2 if you define morning as 0000->115959
18:17.15JDwell no
18:27.21Leedsno?
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18:39.53JDI would still call 4am the night
18:42.40Leedsdepends on from which direction
18:48.49Leedswhoa... the TiVo has decided to record Citizen Kane...
18:49.42WethrinFrom the left.
19:51.16Leedsbloody hell that's a good Honda ad :-)
19:53.47Leedsah, Legion
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20:09.23ClyphoxBloody hub
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20:41.57gregjterminator 3 ?
20:43.26Leedsy7es
20:47.14ClyphoxAny good?
20:48.02Leedsnot bad
20:48.22Leedsnot much of a CV for leader of the world's 5th biggest economy though...
20:49.28ClyphoxCV?
20:49.34LeedsCV
20:49.41ClyphoxOhh yeah
20:49.50Clyphoxdid he win then!?
20:50.03Leedsum, yeah... you've been a bit out-of-touch?
20:50.32ClyphoxI havn't even been reading freshmeat OR userfriendly in 2 months.. life sucks arse
20:51.03LeedsI don't follow freshmeat or userfriendly.  I do follow the real world
20:55.13murbLeeds: news.google.co.uk or news.bbc.co.uk is it?
20:55.35Leedsmurb: yes and yes... and www.haaretzdaily.com and www.jreport.com and www.economist.com
20:55.57Leedsmake that www.jrep.com
20:56.08Leedsthe last two (jrep and economist) are hard copy
21:02.36Clyphoxreality is sucky
21:03.20Leedsyes, true... but it matters
21:03.54Clyphoxnot for me atm
21:04.15murbit is also nice to forget about it and lie in bed and read a  book with hot choloate.
21:04.25Xiaoqi_mmm hot chocolate
21:05.07Leedsmmm... hot chcolate
21:05.09Leedsor pizza...
21:05.16ClyphoxCoffee
21:05.24Leedsno, not coffee
21:08.41Clyphoxyay Coffee
21:09.15WethrinCoffee?
21:09.31Clyphoxspello?
21:10.56Wethrinjello
21:12.47Leedsfellow
21:13.28Clyphoxhollow
21:13.36Wethrinwallow
21:13.44Clyphoxmellow
21:13.54Wethrin# So follow me follow
21:15.21Leedsyellow
21:15.58Wethrin# Down to the hollow
21:16.25Leedsand there we shall (will?) wallow
21:16.36Wethrin# and there let us wallow
21:16.47Leedsbah
21:17.31Clyphoxare we talking about the "Mud, Mud glorious mud.. song?"
21:17.35WethrinYes.
21:18.18Clyphox..nothing quite like it for cooling the blood?
21:18.28WethrinIndeed
21:18.31Clyphox...hmmmpf
21:18.43Clyphoxanyone know how to "infiltrate" a fiesta?
21:18.48Clyphox(the car)
21:19.00Leedsdress up as a street dancer?
21:19.03Leedsah
21:19.09LeedsAA?
21:19.15Clyphox...'comon .. who's the car breakin criminal/expert here?
21:19.32LeedsJenson is away...
21:19.42WethrinShe doesn't break into cars.
21:19.46WethrinOnly people inside cars.
21:19.52Leedsah
21:20.03murbhow does she break them?
21:21.17Leedseven mrub?
21:21.19Leedsmurb?
21:21.29WethrinSure. He's male.
21:22.14Leedsreally? you're sure?
21:22.22Clyphoxheh
21:22.33ClyphoxShe is trying ya know
21:22.46Leedstrying what?
21:22.48WethrinWhat? Do get everyone in Gllug?
21:23.20Clyphox(I hear) she hasn't slept with a new guy in almost a month
21:23.28Leedscold turkey? :-)
21:26.39WethrinMaaaaybe :)
21:27.12Clyphoxcold turkey?
21:28.36murbhas she moved from Essex?
21:28.52Wethrinno
21:29.11Clyphoxtried to get me to escort her to Glugg on accounts she gets lost etc
21:30.26WethrinReally?
21:30.44Clyphoxda
21:31.07WethrinHm
21:32.49Xiaoqi_she's not that bad, she needs a bit of guidance and a few more years maturity, thats all.
21:33.05Clyphoxhmmm
21:33.22ClyphoxShe annoying me shitless
21:33.53Xiaoqi_hmm... why?
21:34.12Clyphoxmore than maturity is needed
21:34.22Xiaoqi_heh
21:34.37Clyphoxserious therapy methinks
21:34.59eye69We have a word for her kind in Sweden.
21:35.19ClyphoxCan it be put int ASCII?
21:35.32Clyphox*into
21:35.36eye69"fjortis"
21:35.57Xiaoqi_i think you are all a bit hard on her, esp as many of you flirt with her and encourage her,
21:36.02eye69Lightfooted youth, with little forethought.
21:36.13Xiaoqi_that sounds right
21:36.21Xiaoqi_just needs growth
21:36.27Clyphoxhehe
21:37.00eye69Comes from "fourteen", but doesn't really depict an age as much as a lifestyle
21:37.12Xiaoqi_hehe
21:37.44eye69Is generally applied to girls, although guys can also get the "stamp".
21:37.47Xiaoqi_i like beki, and feel sorry for her too
21:38.44ClyphoxShes got problems but I admire her for not lying about them and just being honest
21:38.55Clyphoxhonesty is good and sadly rare
21:39.01Xiaoqi_definately!
21:39.12Clyphox<PROTECTED>
21:39.22Xiaoqi_honesty is definately the best policy
21:39.36murbnot if someone is pointing a gun at you.
21:39.42Xiaoqi_lol
21:40.43murbthen you want to give the right answer rather than the trothtul answer.
21:40.52murbsame when talking to $bosses
21:41.01Clyphoxand $customers
21:41.10Clyphoxhmm.. gotta love work
21:41.13murbalthough i tend to give away too much information.
21:41.29Xiaoqi_Clyphox, any luck jobwise yet?
21:41.33Clyphox(prolly related to you being honest)
21:41.55ClyphoxXiaoqi_: ? I'm not looking..
21:42.19Xiaoqi_oh, thought you were for some reason... sorry
21:42.50ClyphoxI'm still owed hundreds form work I did before.. uhmm you know
21:42.53murband it is always depressing lokoing at the jobs avalible that look worse than mine.
21:43.32Clyphoxmurb: why look then? or is yours sucky?
21:43.40XiaoqiClyphox, not fun
21:43.50Clyphoxjust ironnic
21:44.22Xiaoqihmm :/
21:44.46murbClyphox: not been paid for September, + 1000 quid + of expences.
21:44.57murband will be incurse lots more expenise, 2 flights already.
21:45.04Clyphoxwhy ?
21:45.08murband monday 35 quid on a taxi
21:45.26murbClyphox: because i'll be working in luxembourg.
21:45.28eye69murb: I can get the feeling
21:45.30murbfor the next 2 weeks.
21:45.49murbwhich means paying for expensive meals and busses and things and beer and stuff.
21:45.54Clyphoxmurb: why aren't you being paid tho?
21:46.05murbClyphox: 'cos they are crap.
21:46.11eye69I should really be looking. One guy at my work hadn't been paid for 4 months.
21:46.15Clyphoxdid you do anything wrong?
21:46.19murbI asked at the beingging of October.
21:46.31murband they said no money, and i've not seen $boss since.
21:46.37murbwas in .lu monday and tuesday this week.
21:46.49murband bus went out wednesday to friday or somthing.
21:46.55Clyphoxhell.. crappy comany eh?
21:46.56eye69murb: Small claims court, or is it not a UK company?
21:47.03murbeye69: no point.
21:47.07Clyphoxeye69: where do you work?
21:47.09murbcompany has no assets.
21:47.41murbjust have to depend on him getting money transfered to .lu which i know has happened and if i don't get paid out of it i'll basically have to wait til next money, since company.lu doesn't have much money either.
21:48.37Clyphoxsheesh.. sounds like a sinking ship mate
21:49.34eye69Clyphox: Company in Essex. I do network and server design for clients.
21:49.39eye69Mainly office networks.
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21:49.57eye69Title is Network Manager.
21:50.01Clyphoxyeah you explaine your job to me many moons ago :-)
21:50.10Clyphoxcool
21:50.52eye69The company is on the rise though. The application we develop is in ever higher demand. Logistics package for ~taxi companies, and haulage.
21:50.56murbhmm we should have #gllug beer sometime.
21:51.49eye69Yesterday was one calender month since I started, so should have been paid.
21:53.35Wethrinmurb: Good idea.
21:53.48WethrinHow about this week on a day that isn't Monday or Tuesday?
21:54.12ClyphoxI have no cash alas
21:54.36murbI'm in .LU for 2 weeks.
21:54.39eye69I would actually be able to make a night next week. Filling in as SA for a friend in London.
21:54.43WethrinENOSNAKCKS
21:55.17murbhow about we have it in Brussels on the weekend of the 18th?
21:56.35WethrinHm. I could use my Eurostar discount.
21:56.59WethrinBut Brussels is a bit shit :)
21:57.48eye69Going to Brussels for beers seems a bit overkill IMO. :)
21:58.35Clyphoxhehe
22:00.17murbactually I might be in flanders then anyway.
22:00.31murbgot to install new klepto, but still don't have a voltage regulatory thning for the 2nd cpu :(
22:00.32WethrinIn Flanders fields...
22:01.03murbI get fed up with walonia
22:02.53ClyphoxYAY
22:02.57Clyphoxfreedom
22:03.04WethrinHeh.
22:04.07ClyphoxI'm so damn tempted to ping -f negativezero.plus.com from some of my (old) servers
22:05.54murbwhy?
22:06.29Clyphoxlong story
22:12.39eye69YES!
22:12.47gregjNO!
22:13.00gregjNEVER!
22:13.03ClyphoxUHMQ
22:13.06gregj:>
22:13.36eye69I thought I had fried my mobile by connecting my makeshift charger wrongly, since it didn't seem to come alive when charging with a proper charger. Seems it works after charging the battery directly on the terminals though.
22:14.06eye69Might be just the charger input that is fried. :)
22:15.21eye69Anyway, will disconnect my brutal 14400 modem now. G'night.
22:15.26gregjwhat in world is UHMQ
22:15.32gregjeye69: ;]
22:15.47ClyphoxI mean UHM! but hit q instead of 1
22:15.54gregjoh
22:31.15Clyphoxping
22:32.21Leedspong
22:39.32ClyphoxAnyone here like to play AOEII online?
22:40.10Leedswow, that runs on Linux? :-)
22:40.25Clyphoxwine ;-)
22:40.44Clyphoxquite a pity though.. AOE I doesn't at all
23:22.39gregjClyphox: they are testing it on linux now ;]
23:23.16Clyphoxcool
23:23.32ClyphoxI'll give it a go when I find the CD again
23:38.29Wethrin'night all
23:39.21Clyphox|ZzZznn

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