| 00:06.45 | Leeds | I defy anyone to watch Shrek and not come out smiling :-) |
| 00:07.12 | Clyphox | I didn't find it that funny |
| 00:07.29 | Leeds | hmm... are you alright? |
| 00:07.39 | Clyphox | painfull scenes with that girl/ogre thingee |
| 00:07.46 | Leeds | really? |
| 00:07.48 | Clyphox | painfully predictable |
| 00:07.49 | Leeds | cynic... |
| 00:07.57 | Clyphox | I loved Iceage tho |
| 00:08.06 | Leeds | I prefer Shrek |
| 00:08.24 | Clyphox | I admit Shek is better... god story line |
| 00:08.29 | Clyphox | the voices are great too |
| 00:08.40 | Leeds | and the bonus dance party :-) |
| 00:08.56 | Clyphox | uh? |
| 00:09.31 | Leeds | on the DVD - and video, I think, there's an extra bit, like the last scene - where all the characters are dancing and singing - only longer and more kareoke like |
| 00:09.52 | Clyphox | Only seen the divx and in cinema |
| 00:10.17 | Leeds | hmm... maybe I should rip that for you :-) |
| 00:10.54 | Leeds | not now, though |
| 00:11.06 | Clyphox | would be worth it for a decent copy even |
| 00:11.21 | Clyphox | my sisters would appreciate it too :-) |
| 00:11.26 | Clyphox | ohh sure np |
| 00:11.39 | Clyphox | How you you rip stuff? |
| 00:12.02 | Leeds | mencoder |
| 00:12.08 | Clyphox | yay! |
| 00:12.09 | Clyphox | wise man |
| 00:12.17 | Leeds | three-pass |
| 00:12.27 | Clyphox | cool.. I'm lazy and settle for 2 |
| 00:12.34 | Clyphox | does it improve it much? |
| 00:13.30 | Leeds | not sure... I think the third pass is pretty much the sound... maybe improves the syncing, maybe just makes the video encoding quicker |
| 00:14.08 | Clyphox | no idea. I found 2 passes over one just takes longer and comes out more.. uhmm smoothed (visually) |
| 00:14.33 | Leeds | right |
| 00:15.04 | Leeds | but for a 4-minute scene from a high-quality source (i.e. DVD) it's worth getting all the quality you can out of it |
| 00:15.30 | Leeds | I have the whole film in a 400Mb or so file, shrunk for viewing on the iPAQ |
| 00:15.31 | Clyphox | indeed |
| 00:15.44 | Clyphox | I want an iPAQ! |
| 00:16.42 | Leeds | I didn't say it was viewable on the iPAQ... |
| 00:17.17 | Leeds | I've never been able to get decent a/v working - it can play video without audio okay, but the combination seems to be enough to push it over 100% CPU, or bus, or something |
| 00:17.38 | Clyphox | tried reducing the audio quality? |
| 00:18.03 | Clyphox | of even shrinking the divx more and using double buffer? |
| 00:18.04 | Leeds | I mean, you can get silly - 1/2 frame rate, smaller resolution, and so on - but it seems that it has to be reduced to an unacceptable level to be playable |
| 00:18.31 | Clyphox | how fast is yours? |
| 00:18.49 | Clyphox | I wonder what chance I have of getting a fast enough one when I buy one |
| 00:18.51 | Leeds | hmm... hadn't thought of using the doubling... suppose it depends on how much CPU that takes |
| 00:19.00 | Leeds | mine is a 200MHz strongarm |
| 00:19.24 | Clyphox | aye.. quite fast right? |
| 00:19.49 | Leeds | it's worth noting that you can get a lot lower with a cartoon than with live action, AFAIK, before the quality really suffers |
| 00:20.12 | Clyphox | weird |
| 00:20.12 | Leeds | it's plenty quick for most things - but mplayer, even with ARM asm, seems to push it too hard |
| 00:20.25 | Clyphox | are there faster ipaqs? |
| 00:20.34 | Leeds | yes, sort of |
| 00:20.34 | Clyphox | whats the ram on those things? |
| 00:20.49 | Clyphox | I guesse I should research this and not nag you hehe sorry |
| 00:21.29 | Leeds | the newer devices are 400MHz XScale (newer version of ARM) - but various things mean that the first generation XScale - PXA250 - at least, wasn't much quicker than the 200MHZ SA... the newer XSCale - PXA255 - is meant to be better |
| 00:21.42 | Leeds | but Linux support for new devices has really lagged behind HP' |
| 00:21.58 | Clyphox | thats a real pity |
| 00:22.15 | Clyphox | might be better to get a different PDA maybe :-( |
| 00:22.30 | Leeds | HP's release schedule - since they're heading for two new releases a year (next new release is Monday!) and each new release needs a largely new port, since they're all designed and built by different people |
| 00:23.24 | Leeds | the 3xxx (original) series are pretty well supported, and the 54xx is almost there apart from one or two showstopper bugs |
| 00:23.45 | Leeds | anything newer than that is highly experimental and not very useful |
| 00:24.05 | Leeds | 39xx is PXA250 though :-( |
| 00:24.24 | Clyphox | *noted* |
| 00:24.32 | Leeds | if you're after a Linux PDA, the only other option is the Zaurus, really... and the newer models are only available as imports |
| 00:25.09 | Leeds | and even then, I don't know how well, for example, X is supported - or if you're stuck with qtopia/opie |
| 00:25.35 | Clyphox | not sure I could cope with qtopia hehe |
| 00:25.58 | Leeds | I know I couldn't... it's a fine PDA environment, but it's just not really Linux |
| 00:26.48 | Clyphox | indeed |
| 00:31.02 | Leeds | apparently "Internet Protocol is becoming a business reality" |
| 00:31.39 | Leeds | very strange phrase |
| 00:32.06 | Clyphox | heh |
| 00:32.20 | Clyphox | I would love to punch the person who wrote that |
| 00:32.29 | Clyphox | just a nice peck on the nose |
| 00:33.23 | Leeds | it's an advert for the "Times Online IP Infrastructure" thingy in conjunction with BT |
| 00:33.59 | Clyphox | weird |
| 00:37.09 | Leeds | yes |
| 00:54.09 | JD | hi |
| 00:57.34 | Clyphox | heya |
| 00:58.28 | JD | hi |
| 00:58.42 | Clyphox | howzit? |
| 00:58.48 | JD | not bad |
| 00:59.21 | JD | looking for a female to converse with |
| 01:00.48 | JD | but no one seems to be here |
| 01:00.53 | Clyphox | Bekie is here |
| 01:00.56 | Clyphox | (arg) |
| 01:01.05 | JD | 01:59 < JD> looking for a female to converse with |
| 01:01.55 | Clyphox | ? |
| 01:02.15 | JD | looking for a female *to converse with* |
| 01:04.19 | Clyphox | whats mrtg? |
| 01:05.17 | Leeds | multi-router traffic graph(ing) |
| 01:05.24 | Leeds | http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/ |
| 01:06.50 | Leeds | for an example of it running, see the BBC support pages, or http://www.j-colo.net/mrtg/host-eth0.html |
| 01:29.44 | Leeds | job done... and some cable tidying as well :-) |
| 01:29.50 | Leeds | g'night to anyone still conscious |
| 01:34.19 | JD | night |
| 01:34.24 | Clyphox | nn |
| 01:38.26 | JD | Clyphox: you off too? |
| 01:38.31 | Clyphox | yup |
| 01:38.38 | Clyphox | this minute |
| 01:38.49 | Clyphox | r u psychic? |
| 01:39.15 | JD | ? |
| 01:39.47 | Clyphox | I just quite Urban Terror specificly to sleep 10seconds before you asked |
| 01:39.52 | Clyphox | quite funny thats all |
| 01:40.03 | Clyphox | nm me |
| 01:40.16 | JD | okay |
| 01:40.32 | JD | I was mostly asking if you were sayig nn to Leeds or me |
| 01:40.58 | Clyphox | Ah I C |
| 01:41.03 | Clyphox | nm me I'm weird |
| 01:41.05 | Clyphox | cya laters |
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| 10:26.29 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 10:34.05 | JD | hi |
| 10:39.09 | murb | urgle. |
| 10:39.38 | murb | time for some tea me thinks |
| 10:45.21 | Xiaoqi | tea is good |
| 10:58.30 | murb | more tea is better. |
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| 10:58.59 | murb | I'm taking 1.5kg of tea to .lu + beer tomorrow. |
| 11:01.18 | Xiaoqi | won't that fill Bridport your suitcase? |
| 11:01.27 | Xiaoqi | huh? |
| 11:01.33 | Xiaoqi | - bridport |
| 11:04.18 | JD | what was that meant to be? |
| 11:06.07 | Xiaoqi | a random word that the software put in |
| 11:15.50 | JD | wow |
| 11:15.55 | JD | impressive |
| 11:18.00 | Xiaoqi | I know! |
| 11:20.26 | Leeds | for no particular reason, I'm now doing pine doing IMAP over ssh, rather than pine over ssh |
| 11:21.37 | murb | Leeds: those slow curses based menus? |
| 11:22.04 | Leeds | not really... |
| 11:22.28 | Leeds | partly because I plan to play with thunderbird at some point |
| 11:22.40 | murb | fwiw i tend to do imap/ssl |
| 11:23.01 | Leeds | yeah, but I had trouble setting that up at the server, and ssh is already working |
| 11:23.25 | murb | are you running uwimapd? |
| 11:24.05 | murb | the annoying thing about ssl on linux is there are some many places to store root certs. |
| 11:24.14 | Leeds | yes, uw... |
| 11:24.16 | murb | I want to be able to place somthing like /etc/certs/trusted-root/ |
| 11:24.18 | murb | in |
| 11:24.21 | murb | and have it just work. |
| 11:24.25 | Leeds | I think we need to upgrade our openssl anyway |
| 11:24.34 | murb | oh fun. |
| 11:24.58 | murb | i have a "rescue" sshd running from / for things like that.. |
| 11:25.27 | Leeds | we tend to just bring up telnet for a few minutes |
| 11:25.51 | murb | I also have a serial console as a last resort. |
| 11:26.05 | murb | although It is a v.good idea to test it before relying on it.. |
| 11:26.34 | Leeds | planned that - never got around to implementing it |
| 11:27.01 | murb | Do you have the machine/s on a masterswitch or somthing? |
| 11:27.33 | Leeds | nope - two machines sitting on top of each other |
| 11:28.04 | murb | Leeds: do you still have your frog? |
| 11:28.33 | Leeds | I still have it - I don't use it, and I have a bag BT sent me (without any instructions) to send it back on |
| 11:28.57 | murb | they actually asked for it back?! that must be a first. |
| 11:28.58 | JD | murb: debian has just one place for CA certs |
| 11:29.15 | Leeds | well, they sent me a bag - I *assume* that's what it's for |
| 11:29.17 | murb | JD: so why does evolution, Mozilla etc ignore them? |
| 11:29.35 | JD | beebo david% ls /etc/ssl/certs/*.pem | wc -l |
| 11:29.36 | murb | JD: a bit pointless if most user-agents ignore it. |
| 11:29.36 | JD | 70 |
| 11:29.56 | JD | that is where openssl looks for them aiui |
| 11:29.57 | murb | JD: those would be 3rd party certs that i don't trust? |
| 11:30.12 | murb | JD: which isn't much. |
| 11:30.13 | JD | if they ignore it then file a bug |
| 11:31.27 | murb | JD: can i file a bug against all gpled software that links with openssl without an exception? |
| 11:31.58 | JD | murb: ask on debian-devel first saying you are going to do a mass-filing |
| 11:32.34 | murb | JD: Don't think it is a good idea to piss lots of people off. |
| 11:33.21 | JD | murb: hence the asking on debian-devel first |
| 11:33.36 | JD | that is how yo should do mass-filings |
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| 15:20.29 | Clyphox | Hi Leeds |
| 15:21.13 | Leeds | afternoon... |
| 15:21.35 | Clyphox | howzit going? |
| 15:21.40 | Leeds | not bad... |
| 15:21.52 | Leeds | I should go shopping before Tescos closes at 5... |
| 15:22.30 | eye69 | Sainsbury's closed at 4 |
| 15:22.42 | Leeds | I think Tescos is 11-5 rather than 10-4 |
| 15:39.41 | Clyphox | I miss 24/7 tesco's |
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| 16:45.24 | Xiaoqi | moo |
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| 16:48.17 | Leeds | baa |
| 16:51.26 | Xiaoqi | :0 |
| 16:51.28 | murb | foo |
| 16:56.10 | irvined | oink. |
| 16:58.55 | Clyphox | woof |
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| 17:07.40 | Wethrin | moooo |
| 17:07.53 | Xiaoqi | oink!!! |
| 17:10.34 | Xiaoqi | Wethrin: how goes it? |
| 17:11.44 | Wethrin | I have a cold. |
| 17:12.14 | Xiaoqi | aww |
| 17:12.24 | Xiaoqi | me too, would you like a hot lemon? |
| 17:14.21 | Wethrin | Sure. |
| 17:14.22 | Wethrin | :) |
| 17:15.48 | Clyphox | I love Milo! |
| 17:15.52 | Clyphox | where did you buy it!?! |
| 17:16.02 | Wethrin | Milo? Isn't that a Linux Loader for MIPS? |
| 17:16.03 | Leeds | Tescos! |
| 17:16.22 | Leeds | imported from Kenya... |
| 17:16.25 | Clyphox | Excelent! its very big in South Africa and .au ! |
| 17:16.45 | Leeds | yes, I had it recommended by a couple of southern hemispere-people |
| 17:17.22 | Clyphox | hmmm.. I can almost taste it now |
| 17:17.32 | Clyphox | Last time I had was at PDR's place |
| 17:21.55 | murb | hmm alpha. |
| 17:22.48 | Wethrin | Alpha? |
| 17:23.16 | Leeds | milo is the alpha bootloader |
| 17:23.35 | Wethrin | Ah right. |
| 17:25.10 | Leeds | me neither |
| 17:57.41 | Wethrin | Steal some. |
| 17:57.50 | gregj | very funny |
| 17:58.33 | Wethrin | Ask on Gllug if anyone has any Alkphas. |
| 18:00.06 | gregj | to be honest, i don't need any |
| 18:01.11 | Wethrin | Everyone needs some :) |
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| 18:47.18 | Wethrin | Hi Spud |
| 18:47.36 | Clyphox | re SpudULike |
| 18:48.01 | SpudULike | Hi guys. |
| 18:48.51 | SpudULike | What aspect of a Linux system would you show off to impress a Windows user? |
| 18:49.05 | SpudULike | On the desktop. |
| 18:49.26 | Clyphox | mplayer |
| 18:49.29 | murb | boing |
| 18:49.42 | murb | it'll probably fail |
| 18:49.43 | Wethrin | mplayer isn't that impressive, though |
| 18:49.45 | murb | and windows has that arlready. |
| 18:49.47 | Clyphox | Anti Aliased everything with gnome2 |
| 18:49.53 | Wethrin | Windows has that already. |
| 18:49.53 | murb | XP has that already. |
| 18:49.57 | SpudULike | The Windows world is full of media players. |
| 18:50.00 | Wethrin | And looks much nicer than Gnome |
| 18:50.09 | murb | acutally it doesn't. |
| 18:50.15 | Wethrin | (Telletuubby theme not counting) |
| 18:50.20 | murb | my first operatin system looks horrible. |
| 18:50.36 | Clyphox | Sub pixel RGB stuff |
| 18:50.42 | Wethrin | It's not too bad when you switch it back to 'classic' look |
| 18:50.47 | murb | Clyphox: leenux can do that as well. |
| 18:50.51 | Wethrin | sub pixel RGB? |
| 18:50.59 | murb | Wethrin: anti aliasing |
| 18:51.07 | Wethrin | Ah. |
| 18:51.15 | murb | but on a TFT you can be more presise |
| 18:51.24 | murb | because you can light not all of a pixel |
| 18:51.27 | SpudULike | Do people do much in the way of desktop sharing on Windows systems? |
| 18:51.40 | murb | what does desktop sharing mean? |
| 18:51.41 | Wethrin | Some AA sucks badly, though. |
| 18:51.46 | Clyphox | da |
| 18:52.02 | Wethrin | i.e. text between certain size fonts |
| 18:52.03 | Clyphox | might be worth showing off ssh -X |
| 18:52.19 | SpudULike | murb: Sharing the same machine but for different users. |
| 18:52.36 | Wethrin | Windows TSE |
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| 18:52.37 | gregj | oops |
| 18:52.42 | Wethrin | (Terminal Server) |
| 18:53.01 | SpudULike | The whole remote display stuff, can that even be done with Windows? |
| 18:53.09 | murb | Citrix! |
| 18:53.12 | Leeds | VNC! |
| 18:53.20 | gregj | ssh -C -X ;P |
| 18:53.25 | murb | multiuser DOS |
| 18:53.25 | Wethrin | Not on a per-app basis. |
| 18:53.37 | gregj | what does it do in apache.conf |
| 18:53.41 | murb | Wethrin: X works on a per-app basis |
| 18:53.51 | Wethrin | But how many normal users actually use remote X. |
| 18:53.51 | gregj | LogFile "|/usr/bin/something " |
| 18:54.03 | Wethrin | murb: I know. I was talking about 'can that even be done with Windows' |
| 18:54.05 | gregj | it probably sends log to some process |
| 18:54.33 | murb | Wethrin: it can be done |
| 18:54.37 | murb | certainly with Citrix |
| 18:54.38 | zachary | Wethrin: Cheapest way to upgrade a laptop. |
| 18:54.45 | Wethrin | What? Per application? |
| 18:54.47 | SpudULike | I am thinking that we need a list of such 'unique selling points' for the install-fest. |
| 18:54.49 | murb | yeah |
| 18:54.54 | Wethrin | I thought Citrix just gave you a complete desktop. |
| 18:54.56 | murb | Insignia Multiluser NT even did it. |
| 18:54.58 | zachary | Wethrin: Y :) |
| 18:55.17 | murb | Wethrin: no, you can do individial apps and that i think is more normal anyway. |
| 18:55.23 | murb | to use it. |
| 18:55.26 | Wethrin | Okay. |
| 18:55.28 | Wethrin | :) |
| 18:55.31 | murb | e.g. users have foreign app on local desktop |
| 18:55.42 | murb | cerftainly that is how it is used to economics.ucl |
| 18:55.45 | murb | s/to/@/ |
| 18:55.46 | Wethrin | But Unix can do it all for free. |
| 18:56.32 | Wethrin | The average joe trying out Linux isn't that likely to want to use remote X apps. |
| 18:57.08 | Clyphox | linux sucks on the desktop |
| 18:57.19 | SpudULike | Wethrin: Who does use remote apps? |
| 18:57.22 | Leeds | Clyphox: no, not so much |
| 18:57.50 | Wethrin | SpudULike: I do sometimes. Load up exmh from UCL and display it here. |
| 18:57.56 | Leeds | Wethrin: daily, at work |
| 18:57.57 | murb | has anyone played with NoMachine? |
| 18:58.03 | Clyphox | Leeds: its a matter of opinion.. X stil has very far to mature |
| 18:58.08 | murb | Wethrin: try it through Nomachine? |
| 18:58.16 | SpudULike | Be honest, Windows sucks on the desktop! |
| 18:58.33 | Wethrin | Be honest, desktops suck. |
| 18:59.04 | Wethrin | What's NoMachine? |
| 18:59.12 | SpudULike | I'm just waiting for someone to comment about desktop users! |
| 18:59.23 | Leeds | Wethrin: a VNC-type thing... GPLed core, commercial UI/config |
| 18:59.30 | Wethrin | Ahh. |
| 19:00.01 | Wethrin | I'm not actually sure if any of us can really be called average desktop users, though. |
| 19:00.39 | murb | Wethrin: much better than VNC because it resolves lots of X protocol stuff locally. |
| 19:00.50 | zachary | Leeds: I will not disagree with you! |
| 19:00.56 | Leeds | apart from any other way... multiplie OSs on multiple platforms, and working in a very very network-oriented environment |
| 19:01.08 | Wethrin | Good good. |
| 19:02.35 | murb | I think the NoMachine is supposed to be significantly better than that, since it does thing slike caching bitmaps and stuff |
| 19:14.06 | zachary | bbl, need to take care of a few things. |
| 19:20.27 | Wethrin | CU |
| 20:27.12 | Clyphox | Moo |
| 20:27.47 | Wethrin | That's what they want you to say... |
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| 21:16.13 | Clyphox | Gah |
| 21:16.24 | Clyphox | anyone remember how to add a .ttf font to X? |
| 21:16.32 | Clyphox | xset fp rehash? |
| 21:16.41 | Jenson|Away | i can do it with KDE |
| 21:18.48 | Jenson|Away | oh well, time for bed |
| 21:18.51 | Jenson|Away | night guys |
| 21:18.54 | Clyphox | nn |
| 21:19.18 | Jenson|Away | cya |
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| 22:20.47 | Wethrin | Eeek! |
| 22:20.51 | Wethrin | g'night, then, JD |
| 22:23.31 | Wethrin | Mmm. Reconnections. |
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| 23:02.20 | Wethrin | wb |
| 23:04.11 | Leeds | hello |
| 23:07.01 | Clyphox | Heya |
| 23:08.13 | Wethrin | Why am I not asleep? |
| 23:10.07 | Leeds | too much caffiene, not enough alcohol |
| 23:10.15 | Wethrin | That's not true. |
| 23:10.29 | Wethrin | I haven't had a caffeinated drink since, erm, around 2pm |
| 23:11.08 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 23:16.31 | Wethrin | ibot google for online php introduction |
| 23:17.02 | Clyphox | ohh. aren't you posh.. did you learn though a Carbon based book thing? |
| 23:17.28 | Wethrin | Dead-tree? |
| 23:17.30 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 23:17.55 | Clyphox | Lost my damn book.. |
| 23:18.00 | Clyphox | it was good too :-( |
| 23:18.22 | Wethrin | Bleh. |
| 23:20.30 | Wethrin | 42 |
| 23:20.40 | Wethrin | Is he still sitting in a box? |
| 23:21.13 | Clyphox | Nah he's walking around NY atm |
| 23:21.23 | Leeds | it's magic! :-) |
| 23:21.37 | Wethrin | Why isn't he in his box? |
| 23:22.29 | Clyphox | maybe he can teleport? |
| 23:22.43 | Wethrin | Maybe it's one of his minions. |
| 23:30.59 | Wethrin | nytol |
| 23:31.50 | Clyphox | nn |
| 23:44.35 | Clyphox | [yawn] |