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00:00.13Leedsnot on a single-user UP machine it isn't
00:00.33gregjmy laptop is doing average 7
00:00.49Leedsthat's KDE for you :-P
00:00.52gregjespecialy when i am compiling something in background
00:00.55gregjno, console
00:01.09LeedsI'm not compiling anymore
00:05.18Leedswoo - download 1 is done
00:05.40Clyphoxwhat is it?
00:06.49LeedsDead Like Me 1x04
00:07.02LeedsI think it's on on TV in about 2 hours :-)
00:07.59Leeds0355
00:08.16highburyits still nicely quirky, Dead Like Me that is
00:09.07Leedsone of the downloads I have going is the entire first season...
00:11.15gregjhehe
00:19.12gregjnow some ice cream, and fun time :D
00:22.13gregjhehe
00:22.51gregjtommorow i will have to setup tftp and teak X windows , so it work will diskless thing
00:23.10gregjLeeds: did you knew that swap can be done over nfs ...
00:23.11gregj:-)
00:23.21Leedsyes, I knew that
00:23.50gregji've read some time ago about guy that used some part of 32MB on his VGA for swap as well
00:24.12gregjnowdays you have VGAs with 64/128 as standart
00:24.19Leeds3dfx, I think that was
00:24.31gregjmaybe
00:25.01gregjman, those HDs are slow
00:25.04highburyits a shame that you have to have a graphics card at all
00:25.06gregjIDE in this computer is faster..
00:25.15gregjhighbury: well, sort of
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00:25.40highburyjust use serial port
00:25.41gregjthis reminds me to setup duke3d
00:28.12ClyphoxIts ironic that I could never play duke on win98 upwards untill I played it on linux
00:28.40ClyphoxHmmm.. my eyes are getting blurry
00:28.43ClyphoxCoffee time
00:29.04ClyphoxCan you believe there there are REAL people who don't use PC's for more than 40min an hour!?!?!!
00:29.08Clyphoxbbiam
00:29.09Clyphox</rant>
00:36.36Clyphoxhighbury: may I have a look at them?
00:37.58highburynot mine to really give away, unfortunately. There's nothing, that other systems, e.g. COPS/Sara/Titan don't do better
00:38.29Clyphoxohh ok.. I was just wondering what "Shell security scripts" were u c
00:38.30highburyI will ask howver, before I leave
00:39.28Clyphoxgood luck hehe
00:39.32highburyits a set of Unix Audit scripts I had to write to audit Solaris/HP-UX/AIX and Linux systems, based on a Unix Security Policy I wrote
00:40.00Clyphoxcan you poll ports etc via sh?
00:40.14Clyphoxohh you can pipe stuff with telnet can't you?
00:40.20Clyphoxsorry.. just wondering heh
00:40.22highburyIn my last job, I worked on a similar set of scripts, but I started off with a clean slate
00:40.56highburyno real networking stuff, just file/directory permission checking. passwd integrity checks
00:41.37Clyphoxahh I see
00:42.07highburythe hardest stuff has been getting the thing to run via ssh or rsh, using rsysc [sr]cp etc, without hanging or getting confused
00:42.37highburyI did learn some cool things about shell wrappers, which I will probably post
00:42.48highburys/shell/login-shell/
00:42.49ClyphoxSurely just getting the initial shell is the hard part?
00:43.21highburyIt assumes you have root access on the machine, or some form of trusted access
00:43.35highburyie. its a set of audit tools not cracking tools
00:44.16Clyphoxyeah I got that ;-)
00:45.34highburybut what is quite interesting is having a login shell, which is an executable file just containing
00:45.41highbury#!/bin/sh
00:45.49highburyecho "$@"
00:46.24highburyecho and just firing off commands at it, ie. rsh/ssh/rcp/scp/rsync etc
00:49.03Clyphoxhehe cool
00:49.13ClyphoxI'll try to remember that one
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02:22.13Clyphoxping
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03:49.48Clyphox[yawn]
09:51.28Clyphoxping
09:51.44stephenpong
09:52.02Clyphoxyay! life!
09:52.04ClyphoxHowzit?
09:52.28stephenokay thanks, wasting time between lectures.  Yourself?
09:53.04Clyphoxnothing new hehe
10:02.36Xiaoqimorning all
10:04.41murbgood afternoon
10:06.03Xiaoqiheh
10:08.20murbWell since I'm in Luxembourg I'll use CEST
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10:19.41Clyphoxmurb: having fun?
10:19.45Clyphoxre Leeds
10:19.53Leedshey Clyphox
10:20.05murbClyphox: of course not.
10:20.18murbbut technical manager is out of the office which means we can actually make some progress!
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10:20.34Clyphoxmurb: sheesh.. I pity you not
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10:22.07ClyphoxHi beth
10:22.09Clyphoxer
10:22.14ClyphoxModems suck
10:24.06murbdata
10:49.06Leedsanyone got any quick, off-the-cuff guess at a reasonable price for a 2U case?
10:49.58Clyphoxnope soz
10:51.01Leedsbloody hell PC bits are cheap nowadays...
11:00.28Huhnmoin
11:01.29Xiaoqihi Huhn
11:02.03Huhnhi Xiaoqi
11:02.08ClyphoxHi Huhn
11:02.35Huhnhi Clyphox
11:03.24Clyphoxsettling in ok?
11:06.16Huhnno, I'm ill :(
11:07.00Leeds:-(
11:07.28Clyphoxhows the RSI?
11:07.33eye69Leeds: Take a look at pcicase.co.uk
11:11.29Leedseye69: looks good... but I'm not seeing prices :-(
11:13.13HuhnClyphox: terrible, but the cough is worse
11:13.44Clyphoxsheesh.. sorry to hear it
11:14.25Huhnthanks
11:15.37eye69Leeds: Hmmmm. Phone them on 01234 760500 and quote the model number.
11:15.44eye69Their delivery times are very good.
11:16.00Leedswell... I'm just browsing for now... and it's not all that urgent :-)
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11:18.14formialo!
11:19.50eye69break;
11:20.10formiif it was that easy!
11:20.38formii keep from time to time getting annoyed about the same thing
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11:21.00formiand sometimes go to google, do a search, and guess what
11:21.03Leedsit's called banging your head against a brick wall... and it's not good for you
11:21.37formiI find my own question posted somewhere with no good answer
11:22.11formiLeeds: got a problem in my place, there are only 4
11:24.16Leedsmurb: any idea why Apple appear to be using .lu as their European shipping hub? :-)
11:24.53formibasically the problem I have is that the nic on my gateway throws up "Oct 15 12:03:41 open /bsd: ne3: warning - receiver ring buffer overrun"
11:25.41formievery 2-3 minutes, which is logged and in doing so, gets the hard-disk out of the sleep mode
11:25.46Leedsformi: this is a Linux, BSD box?
11:25.53formibsd
11:26.16Leedsedit the message out of your kernel? :-)  fix the driver? :-)
11:27.26formimy idea was to fix dhcpd, so when nobody is using the lan, it basically issues a ifconfig ne3 down
11:27.55formiand when somebody requests a dhcp lease, it activates the nic
11:28.03Leedsugh
11:29.19forminow I do have the idea that there was some way of firing a script from dhcpd but I have been not very lucky finding out how
11:29.39Clyphoxrun the proccess out of tmpfs
11:29.49Clyphoxmaybe setup a chrooted environment
11:30.01ClyphoxI do that with quake3 heh
11:30.48formii also thought of syslogging to another machine, but that is kind of messy
11:31.48eye69Use syslog-ng and filter out that message.
11:34.40Leedshmmm... moz/firebird/thunderbird all revved...
11:39.48ClyphoxLeeds: eh?
11:40.23Leedsmoz 1.5, firebird 0.7 and thunderbird 0.3 all got released this morning
11:40.56ClyphoxOHH!
11:41.07ClyphoxI wonder if there's anything new heehee
11:41.46Leedsum, yeah, there is :-)
11:44.33ClyphoxI'm busy compiling OO ..
11:44.50ClyphoxI don't see why to update phoenix atm.. maybe later..
11:46.37Leeds12:48:30 (224.56 KB/s) - `MozillaFirebird-source-0.7.tar.gz' saved [38758572]
11:46.39Leeds:-)
12:01.48Leedsargh!!! the tarball unpacks into a directory called "mozilla" - thereby partially overwriting my existing cvs-downloaded mozilla directory... why can't people use version numbers in directory names???
12:02.08ClyphoxCause they have their own beliefs..
12:02.22Leedsyeah, but... they're wrong
12:02.27ClyphoxI agre
12:02.28Clyphoxe
12:02.53Clyphoxbut then mozilla was developed by ex nustscape ppl.. lotsa windoze users
12:04.17Leedspartly true...
12:04.21ClyphoxDamnit html sucks
12:04.32LeedsI think they're pretty au fait with the open source world now
12:05.20Clyphoxindeed.. I believe I no longer use AOL/Time warner sofware too now
12:06.13Leeds?
12:07.49ClyphoxDidn't AOL(netscape_ just sever their link with mozilla.. including even giving them a few million iirc
12:07.54Clyphoxsomething like that
12:08.02ClyphoxHuhn: was the COFFEE good :-) ?
12:09.32Leedssomething like that, yes
12:10.28HuhnClyphox: yes, thanks, feeling slightly better :)
12:10.34Huhnproblem is: I can'
12:10.39Huhnt taste anything
12:11.03Clyphoxheh
12:11.11Huhnso, breakfast was a bit weird.. I ended up eating horseraddish (spelling?), cause I could at least feel it on my tongue ;)
12:11.12ClyphoxI only get ill when I'm depressed
12:11.30ClyphoxI like being male
12:11.37ClyphoxI never care what I eat
12:11.45Clyphoxlet alone notice if I can taste anything
12:11.53HuhnI do, I certainly do care about my food
12:11.59ClyphoxWise :-)
12:12.10ClyphoxI'm the one who had an ulcer at 21 after all
12:12.28Clyphox(coffe multiplid by stress)
12:12.56Huhnnot good
12:14.18ClyphoxOhh its gone now
12:14.26ClyphoxWent away when i moved to ABDN
12:16.09Xiaoqisee, i did do some good for you
12:18.43Clyphoxdid I ever say it wasn't good?
12:20.05Xiaoqihehe
12:20.23ClyphoxI miss abdn.. I hate this place
12:21.27Xiaoqinot suprised, london sucks!!!
12:21.39Xiaoqiaberdeen is nce and friendly at least
12:23.59murbLeeds: tax.
12:24.22murbgood after noon.
13:15.57gregjonly one so fa
13:15.57gregjr
13:19.00Clyphoxthat was quick :-)
13:20.30gregji need to send more "spam" today
13:36.50formihttp://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60791,00.html
13:37.00formifor the speed junkies
13:37.38Leedsoh, that vapourware
13:40.41ClyphoxMan... all I wanna to is align some html properly.. grrrr
13:41.05LeedsAll *I* want to do is have some fun
13:41.25Clyphox..you're not the only one
13:42.08Xiaoqiuntil the sun comes up over santa monica boulevard
13:42.19LeedsI've been to Santa Monica...
13:42.24Xiaoqime too!!
13:42.28Leedsand I know the way to San Jose :-)
13:42.35Xiaoqihehe
13:43.10Leedsyou take the 110 south from San Francisco
13:43.27Xiaoqihehe
13:43.28Xiaoqibbiab
13:43.33ClyphoxYAY
13:43.48Clyphox<td valign=top > was all I needed the whole time
13:43.54Clyphoxdamnit I hate manual labout
13:43.55Clyphoxr
13:45.01Clyphoxok breakfast time
14:14.45Huhngood food?
14:15.30ClyphoxNah I actually went to buy some cat food in the end
14:15.38ClyphoxThey're fed and I'm happy
14:15.49ClyphoxFood is just an illusion ;-)
14:16.07formiClyphox: I wish
14:16.15Clyphoxindeed
14:16.23ClyphoxWell I don't eat much at all these days
14:16.26Xiaoqilunchtime doubly so
14:19.26gregjLeeds: wapbber.pointblue.com.pl :]
14:20.47gregjsomething's not worike
14:21.34Leedsit's empty
14:37.42resudaeddf -h : /dev/hda2              19G  4.6G   14G
14:39.14gregjyeah, i see
14:39.22gregji have to ask my friend where is it :]
14:40.08formiresudaed: when do you plan to talk to me?
14:40.32resudaedformi: hi
14:40.58formiand even better to send me what you should
14:40.59Clyphoxformi: want me to go round and beat him up for ya?
14:41.09resudaedformi: you at next gllug?
14:41.47resudaedNov 1st iirc
14:42.09formiresudaed: there is something called mail
14:42.40resudaedwhich form of?
14:43.09formithe one delivered by funny men
14:43.32resudaedwith a black and white cat?
14:44.16formiin this day and age there are many ways, even paypal
14:44.22resudaedemail your address to tom@resudaed.com, and I'll send you a cheque
14:44.44Leedshttp://www.obvious.fsnet.co.uk/butterfly/butterfly.htm ha
14:45.39formiwhich bank are we talking about
14:46.24Clyphoxis w3.org slow or is it just me?
14:47.50formiClyphox: the whole internet is slow
14:47.56resudaedNatwest
14:48.04LeedsI blame mozilla
14:48.28formishouldn't be a problem
14:48.56resudaedhas anyone else been receiving a shit load of emails apparantly from microsoft containig virii?
14:49.29Leedsresudaed: it's a worm... been around a couple of weeks now... nothing to do with MS, just a good fake (apparently - I don't see formatted HTML mail)
14:49.30forminot really
14:49.59resudaedLeeds, i'd gathered that much, just wondering if anyone else was suffering it
14:50.07TarragonNo, but my ISP demon has a backlog of email for the past four days. They say it will take a week to clear.
14:50.14Leedsyeah, I've seen a bunch of them
14:50.39formiresudaed: mail sent!
14:51.21formii just saw a bit of activity in the mail logs, i filter win32 executables
14:53.37LeedsI would do that too, if we weren't using broken qmail
14:54.48resudaedfsck that, i need my hdd :-)
14:55.31formiin postfix is a one liner
14:59.45formi3:59pm  up 132 days, 19:38,
14:59.51forminice thing to see
15:00.05formieven though is bloody red-rat
19:57.37TarragonIs it me or has everyones DNS slowed to a crawl?
19:57.37forminot mine
19:57.37Leedsnot noticing it
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19:58.27gregjHi zachary
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19:59.39*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: 1st November, Westminster Uni (Installfest). http://www.gllug.ukfsn.org
19:59.49Clyphoxbbiam.. updating my irssi config
20:01.12cupisibot: hello
20:01.12hola, cupis
20:01.12cozmonortyeah thats the one
20:01.18Jensonheya cupis
20:01.23cupishi Jenson
20:01.42cozmonorthi cupis
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20:03.24ClyphoxMoo
20:03.42Jensonyay now im ready to go to a course using Windows XP with a folder covered in linux shit
20:03.57cozmonorthave fun
20:04.38Jensonim not looking fwd to it lol, im 5 weeks behind
20:04.56Jensonim just hoping im not starting With the MS Access module coz im crap
20:05.03Jensonoh and wb Clyphox
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20:11.15Wethrinwb Leeds
20:11.19Leedsevening
20:13.42WethrinThere isn't much to learn
20:14.43Jensonwell, it would eliminatw the use of floppy disks or email to transfer work from the learning center to home
20:14.47Jensonthat or ftp
20:15.14WethrinFTP is EBW
20:15.28Jensonyeh#
20:15.43Jensoni dont thenk im allowed to download an ftp client though
20:15.51Jensondoes XP have a built in one?
20:15.58cozmonortthink so
20:16.01Jensongood
20:16.12WethrinUmm...all versions of Windows since 95 had an FTP client
20:16.17Jensonif ive gotta use the bloody OS im gonna make good use of it
20:16.20stephanbJenson: the built-in ftp client on XP is from the cli
20:16.37JensonWethrin: yeh, but it never worked with me
20:16.46WethrinYou did it wrong then.
20:16.57JensonWethrin: probably, i was only 11
20:17.05Jensonive used WS_FTP since then
20:17.25Jensonall this coz i cant find my bloody decent floppy disc labels
20:17.28Jensons/disk
20:17.37stephanbJenson: what you don't get with XP is an ftp server
20:17.46Wethrins/disk makes no sense
20:18.03WethrinIt's an unterminated substitute pattern
20:18.19JensonWethrin: yeh well im lazy
20:18.31Jensonstephanb: i dont like XP, its not nice
20:18.38WethrinSo use an asterisk instead
20:19.02Jensonyeh, i always used too
20:19.09Jensoni cant be bothered to do anything ATM
20:19.27Jensonexcept worry about the fact i'll crash the compiuter the moment i walk in the room tomorrow
20:19.47Jensoni havent sat in anything like classes since i had all my panic attacks and kept running out crying
20:19.50Jensonim scared
20:20.38stephanbJenson: scared of what ? a shitty OS ? sacred of not being creative enough to find your way round the stupidity of XP ?
20:21.04Jensonscared of the fact i have an inability to sit in quiet rooms coz i freak out
20:21.25Jensonyou dont believe me i have a letter from my doctor about it somewhere from last year
20:21.57stephanbJenson: I believe you
20:26.09JensonBRB
20:26.32WethrinHrm. This seems broken:
20:26.40WethrinMistake: the instruction writes the byte 48 to address 1000000c not the bytes 48
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20:28.32WethrinHi morsing
20:31.05ClyphoxHi Wethrin
20:33.21Jensonheya morsing
20:33.23Jensonheya Clyphox
20:33.34Clyphoxgreets
20:33.46JensonClyphox: weren't you asking your brother if he was coming online?
20:34.19Clyphoxoops.. I genuinely forgot..
20:34.38Jensonn/m
20:34.42Jensondoesnt matter now
20:34.51Jensonim going to bed in a minute
20:38.21Jensonright then im gonna go to bed
20:38.24Jensonsee you guys tomorrow
20:38.37stephanbJenson: nite nite
20:42.05morsingHi all
20:43.06Jensonnight stephanb
20:44.03Clyphoxnn
20:46.07Jenson|Awaynight Clyphox
20:46.11Clyphoxnn
20:46.20stephanbbye everybody (night)
20:46.26Clyphoxstephanb: nn
20:46.47stephanbClyphox: nn
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21:01.23Wethrinwb murb
21:01.34Clyphoxre murb
21:04.58Leedsmmm... Tesco microwave veggie sausage'n'mash
21:20.31Clyphoxhhhmmm
21:20.54Clyphoxdo you have 1 pound pizza's there Leeds ?
21:21.11Leeds1 pound pizza?  bloody heavy...
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21:22.18JDhi all
21:22.37ClyphoxHi JD
21:22.41Clyphoxhowzit?
21:22.42Wethrin'ello
21:22.45JDnot too bad
21:23.00Clyphox:-)
21:23.07ClyphoxAlways a good thing
21:23.21ClyphoxI would typically measure "good" as not being offline hehe
21:25.45JDlol
21:25.57JDwell irssi is always here
21:26.06JDI'm just not always looking at irssi
21:29.37WethrinAnyone an SQL person here?
21:31.22JDyeah
21:32.44WethrinOkay.
21:32.53WethrinI have a question that read:
21:32.55Wethrin*reads:
21:33.04Wethrin"Of all the rafts, tents and shovels that have been ordered, which cost the most?"
21:33.33WethrinSo something like SELECT item FROM items_ordered WHERE price=(SELECT MAX(price) FROM
21:33.36Wethrin<PROTECTED>
21:33.49WethrinHowever, the SQL parser we're supposed to use doesn't support subqueries.
21:34.00JDmysql?
21:34.11LeedsWethrin: this is schoolwork?
21:34.34WethrinYeh. Pointless database exercises :)
21:34.41JDwell select everything where item is raft or item is tent etc and order htem
21:34.43WethrinJD: No. www.sqlcourse2.com/sql_interpreter.html
21:35.02WethrinAh. Order by price, and limit to the first result?
21:35.04Wethrin(DESC price)
21:35.36JDshould be possible to select the first item
21:35.42WethrinYeh.
21:35.53WethrinLIMIT 1, or similar?
21:36.06JDpossibly
21:36.11JDdepends on the parser
21:36.46Leedsah, it's good to know that standardisation works
21:37.03WethrinIt does work.
21:37.05WethrinThanks! :)
21:38.42JDWethrin: because you aren;t a compsci?
21:38.44JDyet
21:38.56WethrinProbably.
21:39.12WethrinI blame my A-Level Maths teacher. He always taught us convoluted ways of doing things.
23:15.40Clyphoxmy couch becons.. TTL

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