| 00:03.41 | Clyphox|DIVX | heya |
| 00:04.21 | formi | silly me, just turning up to as an odd question |
| 00:04.39 | formi | how do you spell tows??? |
| 00:05.24 | formi | toes maybe? those you have 10 of them and you hide them with socks |
| 00:05.47 | Clyphox|DIVX | toes ;-) |
| 00:05.54 | formi | ta |
| 00:06.01 | Clyphox|DIVX | np |
| 00:06.23 | formi | just reading the gllug-admin list |
| 00:06.31 | formi | i noticed something odd |
| 00:06.40 | formi | from mail.ukfsn.org (unknown [217.158.120.143]) |
| 00:07.30 | formi | wondering if I should tell Jason |
| 01:35.08 | Clyphox|DIVX | ...awe... |
| 01:55.13 | Clyphox | Time for some coding |
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| 05:33.47 | Clyphox | hmmm I should prolly try to get _some_ sleep for my interview |
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| 07:44.08 | Clyphox | Hi John |
| 07:45.30 | Tarragon | Moin |
| 07:46.13 | Clyphox | howzit? |
| 07:46.51 | Tarragon | A little cold and chilly |
| 07:47.07 | Clyphox | indeed I know the feeling |
| 07:48.23 | Clyphox | Its colder in Aberdeen on the brigher side :-) |
| 07:50.27 | Tarragon | Nope somehow that still does not help melt the frost here. |
| 07:51.04 | Clyphox | hehe I have 4 machine running in my tiny room and I'm still in a blankie |
| 07:51.34 | Tarragon | Ohh that is cold then. |
| 07:51.58 | Clyphox | ohh I'm in London now btw |
| 07:52.13 | Clyphox | I saw you that the Expo.. |
| 07:52.43 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 07:52.53 | Tarragon | I tried to hide from everyone. |
| 07:53.03 | Clyphox | have you done a bad? |
| 07:53.06 | Tarragon | So calling back soon |
| 07:53.54 | Clyphox | I'll be emailing you for adivice on writing for LM sometime maybe btw hehe |
| 07:54.11 | Clyphox | .......if thats ok I mean... |
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| 09:45.51 | cup | morning |
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| 10:32.53 | Huhn | moin |
| 10:33.12 | stephen | morning Huhn |
| 10:33.21 | Huhn | hi stephen |
| 10:40.56 | Jenson | morning |
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| 11:36.53 | Leeds | so... should I stay in Paris over Sunday night and come back Monday morning, or come back Sunday evening? |
| 11:42.37 | JD | Leeds: depends if you can get the time off work on Monday morning |
| 11:42.43 | JD | but I owuld stay if you can |
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| 11:57.12 | Xiaoqi_ | morning all |
| 12:00.06 | Leeds | I should be able to... I've just asked for the Thursday/Friday off the week before, but I've still got 10.5 days left this year after taking that... need 4 days or so for Christmas time... leaves plenty |
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| 13:02.59 | formi | hello |
| 13:16.37 | Wethrin | Hello |
| 13:18.28 | formi | i hate adsl modems |
| 13:19.14 | Wethrin | Mine works |
| 13:19.34 | formi | this one im trying to set up is too noisy |
| 13:20.45 | formi | i managed to get rid of all the ripv2 traffic it was spewing |
| 13:20.47 | Wethrin | Too many fans? |
| 13:20.51 | Wethrin | Ah. Network noise. |
| 13:21.31 | formi | and now it still is up with spanning-tree for bridges or some bollocks like that |
| 13:21.56 | Wethrin | HRm |
| 13:22.33 | formi | and i did disable the protocol |
| 13:26.12 | formi | anyway im off for a brak |
| 13:27.00 | formi | s/brak/break |
| 13:27.01 | Wethrin | Hardware Sucks(TM) |
| 13:27.23 | formi | efficient networks 5861 |
| 13:28.27 | formi | maybe i will go to the meeting on sunday |
| 13:28.46 | formi | and i was thinking of wearing the openbsd shirt |
| 13:28.46 | Wethrin | Go on....I'll try and be there |
| 13:28.51 | Wethrin | Heh. |
| 13:28.58 | formi | and then run for it |
| 13:28.59 | Wethrin | Wear an 'Open Source' shirt. |
| 13:29.21 | formi | i might search for the lesbian one |
| 13:29.26 | Wethrin | :) |
| 13:29.35 | formi | back in a few minutes |
| 13:29.46 | formi | swithing off the bloody thing |
| 13:33.41 | Wethrin | kk |
| 13:35.28 | Leeds | the meeting on Sunday may not happen... |
| 13:35.34 | Wethrin | How come? |
| 13:35.45 | Leeds | http://www.nickhill.co.uk/rms-speech-status.html |
| 13:36.09 | Leeds | RMS has broken his arm and was last seen in hospital in Finland... |
| 13:36.41 | Wethrin | Got in a fight with Linus about Linux v. GNU/Linux? ;-) |
| 13:36.45 | Leeds | heh |
| 13:39.14 | Clyphox | I take it thats a joke? |
| 13:39.41 | Wethrin | Which? The website or the fight? |
| 13:39.52 | Clyphox | the fight |
| 13:39.56 | Wethrin | Of course. |
| 13:40.04 | Clyphox | (I've a very small memory) |
| 13:40.19 | Wethrin | 640K is enough for anybody |
| 13:41.01 | Clyphox | Tm |
| 13:55.28 | Wethrin | wb Huhn |
| 13:55.34 | Huhn | re, ta Wethrin |
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| 14:00.30 | Wethrin | Bah. Is there some way of politely telling someone "No you can't do this. You're a fool for even trying@ |
| 14:00.38 | Wethrin | s/@/?" |
| 14:01.45 | Huhn | Wethrin: depends... any chance to give this person a manual? :) |
| 14:01.55 | Wethrin | No. |
| 14:01.58 | Wethrin | Please can you advise me whether it is possible to run Autodesk AutoCAD 2002 on SUSE 9 |
| 14:02.12 | Huhn | in that case... the truth ;) |
| 14:02.21 | Wethrin | Or should I just reply 'Yes' |
| 14:02.25 | Wethrin | (i.e. I can advise) |
| 14:05.31 | Wethrin | AutoCAD only runs under Windows, doesn't it? |
| 14:05.38 | Leeds | wine(x)? |
| 14:06.16 | Wethrin | Doesn't work under Wine |
| 14:06.32 | Wethrin | People have tried, and complained to the mailing list |
| 14:06.57 | Leeds | crossover? |
| 14:08.19 | Wethrin | I haven't seen otherwise, so would assume the same |
| 14:09.34 | Wethrin | Are you coming tonight to Bill Bailey? |
| 14:09.39 | Tarragon | No there is still a ticket outstanding under Crossover |
| 14:10.31 | Wethrin | Ah, so it might work some time soon? |
| 14:11.13 | Tarragon | Ticket Oct 2002 so some hope still |
| 14:11.35 | Wethrin | Only a year so far... |
| 14:11.58 | Leeds | the gods are angry |
| 14:12.09 | Wethrin | At least Thor isn't swinging |
| 14:12.28 | Jenson | afternoon guys |
| 14:12.34 | Wethrin | What was the name of Thor's hammer? I can't remember, although I'm sure I know it. |
| 14:13.15 | Wethrin | Oh well. I guess his chariot is yet to come to Hammersmith. |
| 14:14.12 | Wethrin | w00t. Any chance of a *cough*copy*cough* of the CDs? :) |
| 14:14.31 | Leeds | I thought the student pricing was pretty good? |
| 14:14.32 | Tarragon | Mjolnir is the name of the Hammer |
| 14:14.42 | Wethrin | Tarragon: Ahh. That's it, thanks :) |
| 14:14.47 | Wethrin | Leeds: I'll check |
| 14:16.23 | Wethrin | Ooh. Mjolnir's just been struck |
| 14:17.06 | Wethrin | Hmm. £69.33 is the student price for Panther |
| 14:17.15 | Leeds | thought it would be less than that... |
| 14:17.24 | Wethrin | Unfortunately not :( |
| 14:20.54 | Jenson | later guys |
| 14:21.32 | Wethrin | Hmm.....I guess the conversation level was above her ;-) |
| 14:32.35 | Leeds | most things are |
| 14:33.53 | Wethrin | Heh. |
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| 14:44.06 | Wethrin | Hi |
| 14:44.12 | chrismil | hi |
| 14:44.43 | chrismil | raining here |
| 14:44.55 | Wethrin | Not any more here |
| 14:45.13 | Leeds | nor here |
| 14:45.36 | Leeds | chrismil: where are you? |
| 14:45.56 | chrismil | Chesham near Amersham |
| 14:46.08 | Wethrin | Oot. That's not too far from where I live |
| 14:46.10 | Leeds | I've heard the names - no idea where they are :-) |
| 14:46.24 | Wethrin | Not far from Beaconsfield :) |
| 14:46.29 | chrismil | North Westish London |
| 14:46.32 | Wethrin | Amersham's about 20 mins drive from Watford |
| 14:46.59 | Leeds | ah |
| 14:47.09 | Leeds | chrismil: I'm in Watford right now |
| 14:47.29 | formi | oi guys come on |
| 14:48.00 | Leeds | formi: ? |
| 14:48.13 | formi | are you having a conversation? I can the end of the gllug channel is this keeps happening |
| 14:48.44 | chrismil | Always steer clear of Watford, seem to get lost in one way systems |
| 14:49.04 | formi | chrismil: im in Amersham |
| 14:49.36 | Leeds | ah, Watford's not that bad... it's Manchester which'll draw you in and chew you up |
| 14:50.26 | formi | and i probably left my typing skills back at home |
| 14:50.29 | Wethrin | But not spit you out? |
| 14:51.34 | Leeds | no, not really |
| 14:52.36 | Wethrin | Heh |
| 14:52.43 | chrismil | formi: just up the road |
| 14:53.52 | chrismil | Leeds: You work in Watford? |
| 14:54.02 | Leeds | chrismil: sure |
| 14:54.25 | chrismil | Anything interesting? |
| 14:54.36 | Leeds | in what way? |
| 14:55.16 | Leeds | check my hostname :-) |
| 14:55.34 | chrismil | Ahh |
| 14:55.54 | chrismil | So sun are in Watford. See anything of Java? |
| 14:56.18 | Wethrin | Java is overrated. |
| 14:56.19 | Wethrin | :) |
| 14:56.49 | Leeds | this is a Solaris (x86, mainly) development center... not much Java around |
| 14:57.35 | chrismil | Friend has new Cleo (??) Palm type gadget. very nice. showed me java on it. |
| 14:58.08 | Leeds | Clie |
| 14:58.17 | Leeds | pronounced Clee-ay |
| 14:58.22 | Leeds | or Klee-ay |
| 14:58.52 | chrismil | you on the systems side? |
| 15:01.08 | Leeds | OS engineering |
| 15:02.09 | chrismil | I've not used Solaris. Linux provides a pretty good basis for what I need at present. Used to do some bigger stuff though. |
| 15:05.32 | Leeds | no comment :-) |
| 15:07.03 | chrismil | :-) |
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| 15:47.13 | Wethrin | Hm |
| 15:47.28 | Clyphox | Gary Moore is cool :-) |
| 15:47.38 | Wethrin | Mm. |
| 15:52.07 | Wethrin | ping Leeds |
| 15:52.18 | Leeds | pong |
| 15:52.19 | Leeds | um... |
| 15:52.27 | Wethrin | Have you decided about tonight? |
| 15:52.40 | Leeds | any idea about availability? |
| 15:52.53 | Wethrin | Nope, sorry |
| 15:53.23 | Leeds | bah... yeah, I'll aim to be outside at 7:30 or so... |
| 15:53.32 | Leeds | on a cold, damp night... |
| 15:54.09 | Wethrin | Right-ho. I'm probably going to be there around 6.30ish before finding some food. Want me to get you a ticket? |
| 15:54.25 | Jenson|Away | where you going? |
| 15:54.26 | Leeds | please :-) |
| 15:54.41 | Wethrin | Leeds: Sure |
| 15:54.56 | Wethrin | William Bailey |
| 15:54.59 | Leeds | Jenson: to see a troll |
| 15:55.22 | Jenson | have fun |
| 15:55.35 | Leeds | do we have to? |
| 15:55.45 | Jenson | no lol |
| 15:59.09 | Jenson | i l;ast ate at about 11 |
| 15:59.43 | Leeds | so, eat something... |
| 16:00.17 | Jenson | one of my msn friends changes her email everytime she gets a crush on a new bloke, i dont chat to her anyway, coz she's never online |
| 16:00.23 | Jenson | Leeds: yeh going home for dinner soon |
| 16:03.05 | Jenson | right time to go, tescos then home |
| 16:03.10 | Jenson | seeya |
| 16:03.11 | Wethrin | bye |
| 16:03.16 | Leeds | bye |
| 16:03.22 | Jenson | bye Wethrin have a nice time tonight |
| 16:03.27 | Wethrin | should do |
| 16:03.33 | Jenson | bye Leeds have a nice time if you want to :P |
| 16:03.40 | Leeds | tabjs :-) |
| 16:03.42 | Leeds | ugh |
| 16:03.43 | Leeds | thanks |
| 16:03.53 | Wethrin | tabjes? |
| 16:03.54 | Leeds | where the fsck did tabjs come from??? |
| 16:04.04 | Wethrin | Pidgin Dutch? |
| 16:04.35 | Leeds | a small, but strong, lager |
| 16:05.02 | Wethrin | Mmm. |
| 16:05.07 | *** part/#gllug formi (~formi@81-86-19-243.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 16:08.28 | Wethrin | The theatre is right outside Leicester Square tube station. Don't forget that the Northern Line isn't running. |
| 16:08.46 | Leeds | ah, oh fuck what? |
| 16:08.54 | Leeds | I thought it was running with delays? |
| 16:09.08 | Wethrin | No. The Charing Cross->Euston branch isn't running |
| 16:09.18 | Wethrin | Which is the branch Leicester Square is on |
| 16:09.49 | Leeds | well that sort of screws everything up |
| 16:10.00 | Wethrin | Oops. |
| 16:10.21 | Leeds | and the information leaflet off tfl.gov.uk is 404 |
| 16:10.27 | Wethrin | Bah. |
| 16:10.44 | Wethrin | Simply assume that the Northern Line is kaput. |
| 16:11.09 | Leeds | I was assuming I could get a train from my local Northern Line station to... Leicester Square... directly |
| 16:11.35 | Wethrin | Nope. And they're expecting the Line to be closed until next week. |
| 16:15.04 | Wethrin | So, erm, do you still want to come, given train problems? |
| 16:17.47 | Leeds | well... it won't be easy getting there |
| 16:18.03 | Leeds | or won't be as easy as usual |
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| 16:20.09 | resuDaed | is there anyone here with access to a windows box? |
| 16:20.59 | resuDaed | I am trying to get the compaq system utilities on 4 floppies, but all they'll give me is an .exe to create the floppies |
| 16:21.08 | Wethrin | wine? |
| 16:22.46 | resuDaed | fails silently |
| 16:22.57 | Wethrin | Hm |
| 16:24.23 | Leeds | tfl website is being very very very slow |
| 16:24.54 | resuDaed | the box has 272MB RAM, but because the battery died, I can't tell it that is has more than 16MB |
| 16:25.34 | Wethrin | Err.....even Compaqs should detect that |
| 16:26.02 | resuDaed | that was my thought, but nothing else changed - other than the battery died |
| 16:27.26 | resuDaed | must find food |
| 16:27.35 | Wethrin | Hmm. Food. |
| 16:27.46 | resuDaed|f00d | 1 pound pizzas :-) |
| 16:27.59 | Wethrin | Yum/ |
| 16:28.06 | Leeds | what is all this about 1 pound pizza anyway? |
| 16:28.08 | Wethrin | 1 GBP, or 1lb? |
| 16:28.36 | Leeds | GBP I think |
| 16:30.51 | resuDaed|f00d | GBP |
| 16:34.54 | Leeds | bloody hell the tfl site is slow slow slow - really painful |
| 16:35.42 | Wethrin | ow |
| 16:35.53 | Wethrin | Hrm. This monitor is slightly out of focus |
| 16:36.56 | Wethrin | Bah. |
| 16:38.15 | Leeds | Wethrin: much as I'd like to... it looks like the journey would be a bit of a nightmare - and worse getting back, I'd guess - and I should really get work done, then have an early-ish night |
| 16:51.57 | Wethrin | Okay, then. I'll let you know if it's good |
| 17:03.30 | Wethrin | Right. See people tomorrow |
| 17:06.12 | Leeds | bye |
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| 17:38.31 | Clyphox | Sheesh I feel old |
| 17:38.46 | Clyphox | Star Craft was released almost 6 years ago!! |
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| 18:00.27 | cozmonort | hi resuDaed |
| 18:00.31 | Clyphox | greets resuDaed |
| 18:00.42 | Jenson | heya resuDaed |
| 18:00.51 | cozmonort | hi Ckyphox |
| 18:00.55 | Xiaoqi | hi cozmonort and resuDaed |
| 18:01.03 | cozmonort | *Clyphox even |
| 18:01.08 | Jenson | god arent we sad, the four of us could all call each other, yet we insint in talking in text |
| 18:01.10 | cozmonort | hi Xiaoqi |
| 18:01.31 | cozmonort | *Jenson |
| 18:01.37 | cozmonort | damn fingers :P |
| 18:01.46 | Jenson | cozmonort: use the fucking autocomplete lol |
| 18:01.49 | Xiaoqi | cozmonort, you're good at spelling today, aren't you! |
| 18:01.54 | Clyphox | hmmm caffiene |
| 18:01.59 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: you may hit him lol |
| 18:02.07 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 18:02.10 | cozmonort | oi :P |
| 18:17.46 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 18:17.48 | cozmonort | hello |
| 18:18.06 | JD | 11 |
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| 18:29.01 | Jenson | hi zachary |
| 18:29.08 | zachary | hey Jenson |
| 18:29.30 | zachary | did I miss much? |
| 18:29.40 | Jenson | ince wehen? |
| 18:29.43 | Jenson | since when even |
| 18:53.57 | JD | hi |
| 18:54.11 | JD | zachary: do we know more about rms? |
| 19:01.15 | resuDaed | Clyphox : you there? |
| 19:01.25 | Clyphox | da |
| 19:01.39 | Jenson | Clyphox: bloody lazy quiet monster :P |
| 19:01.44 | Clyphox | got a damn nice piece of pork in my hand atm |
| 19:02.09 | resuDaed | is there anyway I can install oBSD from a running linux stsyem (that you know of) |
| 19:02.23 | Clyphox | yes but its really complex |
| 19:02.39 | resuDaed | you got a set of destructions somewhere? |
| 19:02.47 | Clyphox | I found docs on it years ago when I looked into backibg up a system |
| 19:02.56 | Clyphox | google alas |
| 19:03.19 | resuDaed | was my next port of call, but I thought I'd check with you first :-) |
| 19:04.48 | Clyphox | Sorry |
| 19:04.59 | Clyphox | about to watch Reloaded with Kate |
| 19:05.38 | Jenson | Reloaded, good idea |
| 19:13.45 | resuDaed | does anyone know if there is a way to boot an image of a floppy disk from lilo? |
| 19:14.38 | JD | I want my labyrinth DVD |
| 19:14.52 | Jenson | resuDaed: why not just rawrite the floppy and boot it? |
| 19:15.38 | cozmonort | cya later |
| 19:15.54 | resuDaed | because I cannot boot from floppy (don't ask) |
| 19:17.45 | Jenson | resuDaed: well, seenas its you i wont ask |
| 19:18.04 | Jenson | and you cant boot direct from the cd? |
| 19:18.54 | resuDaed | Jenson am booting from floppy |
| 19:19.02 | resuDaed | no cd involved |
| 19:19.09 | resuDaed | (or floppy image) |
| 19:19.50 | Jenson | im assumiing you cant type the path of the image on the lilo prompt? |
| 19:20.31 | resuDaed | I can rewrite lilo if I want, but iirc, lilo wont boot a full floppy image |
| 19:21.27 | Jenson | well, the two alpha-geeks are Leeds and Wethrin and they are both out somewhere tonight |
| 19:22.50 | JD | resuDaed: you need grub |
| 19:23.06 | resuDaed | can grub boot a floppy image? |
| 19:23.07 | Jenson | ive gotta go |
| 19:23.08 | JD | grub can do what yo want |
| 19:23.11 | JD | bye |
| 19:23.13 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 19:23.14 | Jenson | see you guys later |
| 19:23.18 | resuDaed | laters Jenson |
| 19:23.21 | Clyphox|Divx | lilo ownz |
| 19:23.37 | Jenson | go away Clyphox|Divx :) |
| 19:24.06 | JD | Clyphox|Divx: er no it doesn;t |
| 19:27.08 | resuDaed | can anyone else not see gnu.org? |
| 19:28.11 | JD | maybe it is broken in sympathy |
| 19:28.58 | Clyphox|Divx | negative |
| 19:29.24 | JD | what about fsf.org? |
| 19:43.04 | Tarragon | Yes gnu.org OK fsf.org OK |
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| 20:07.07 | resuDaed | Clyphox|Divx : PING |
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| 20:19.20 | JD | hi Leeds |
| 20:19.26 | Leeds | evning |
| 20:19.35 | JD | there was something I meant to say to you but I can;t remember |
| 20:19.38 | JD | oh yes I can |
| 20:19.45 | JD | DLM? when is it? |
| 20:20.05 | Leeds | um... all on my hard drive |
| 20:20.07 | Leeds | hang on |
| 20:21.47 | Leeds | friday 2230 skyone, sat 2230 skyonemix, wednesday 0455 skyone |
| 20:23.59 | JD | oh this morning? |
| 20:24.03 | JD | so I've missed it |
| 20:24.04 | JD | grrrr |
| 20:24.07 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:25.21 | Leeds | I have 8.2Gb of it on my hard drive... |
| 20:25.26 | JD | :) |
| 20:25.53 | Leeds | could put it on a DVD or two, I suppose :-) |
| 20:26.15 | JD | :) |
| 20:45.12 | JD | what are we all doing on 5th Nov? |
| 20:47.28 | Leeds | ? |
| 20:47.50 | Leeds | oh, the obvious? :-) |
| 20:57.55 | Leeds | Christmas adverts have started... |
| 21:01.43 | Clyphox|Divx | :-( |
| 21:02.23 | Leeds | whoa!!! someone compressed Clyphox :-) |
| 21:03.26 | Clyphox|Divx | yeah I'm ! == depressed |
| 21:03.44 | Leeds | what is "! =="? |
| 21:05.12 | Clyphox|Divx | I just meant I'm not depressed.. I'm compressed |
| 21:05.27 | Leeds | ah |
| 21:05.39 | Leeds | != |
| 21:06.38 | Clyphox|Divx | yeah ! == is kinda php'ish |
| 21:06.52 | Leeds | ugh |
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| 21:41.58 | JD | wb |
| 21:44.46 | Clyphox | [yawn] |
| 21:50.55 | gregj | JD: what happend to trusted debian ? |
| 21:51.06 | JD | er they renamed |
| 21:51.17 | JD | trusix or something |
| 21:51.52 | gregj | oh |
| 21:52.05 | gregj | google cannot find anything decent on gg:trusted debian |
| 21:52.32 | murb | JD: are they a subproject or just ranodmnly using debian as a basis for stuff? |
| 21:52.48 | gregj | i am getting ill changing permissions in debian everytime i have to set it up |
| 21:52.56 | JD | murb: they were a distrubtion |
| 21:53.11 | gregj | so i'll have a look, maybe they are consider security more important than debian folks |
| 21:54.16 | murb | gregj: how can they possibly do that if they don't have joey? |
| 21:55.12 | gregj | joey who ? |
| 21:55.22 | JD | joey or joeyh? |
| 21:57.02 | gregj | i think he meant joy :] |
| 21:58.44 | gregj | www.trustix.net failed, no route to host.. |
| 21:58.45 | gregj | cool |
| 22:01.31 | gregj | JD: tell me why in debian there is no whell group, to keep rights to execute suided binaries |
| 22:01.42 | gregj | JD: home directories are readable by default |
| 22:01.51 | gregj | and many other crap i have to change all the time |
| 22:02.02 | JD | gregj: wheel? hmmm |
| 22:02.04 | gregj | s/many/more/ |
| 22:02.09 | gregj | JD: or whatever |
| 22:02.10 | JD | what advantage does wheel give you? |
| 22:02.37 | gregj | that nobody beside whoom i choose cannot execute su |
| 22:02.46 | murb | gregj: the homedir thing is a user configurable |
| 22:02.58 | murb | you can get the wheel thing with a pam package that is included if you want it. |
| 22:03.01 | gregj | beside that i have to create group shell for those that can execute mostly shell tasks |
| 22:03.06 | gregj | e.g. not www-data |
| 22:03.09 | murb | otherwise it is trival to implenment yourself. |
| 22:03.14 | gregj | to protect my self from lame php scripts |
| 22:03.28 | murb | gregj: debian does www-data. |
| 22:03.35 | gregj | murb: yes, i know |
| 22:03.47 | gregj | murb: but user www-data can execute everything in /bin and /usr/bin |
| 22:03.56 | gregj | and he should not have a rights to most of those programs |
| 22:04.07 | murb | put running mod_php is generally a bad idea as efverything runs in address space as apache/whatever |
| 22:04.08 | gregj | and much more |
| 22:04.22 | murb | gregj: so how would cgi's run? |
| 22:04.28 | murb | normally you use suexec |
| 22:04.29 | gregj | this time someone was trying to exploit me through jboss |
| 22:04.33 | murb | so it is upt o the user. |
| 22:04.46 | murb | why were you running jboss? |
| 22:04.51 | murb | to many cpu cycles? |
| 22:05.06 | gregj | yeah, one of the guys is claming that somebody gain user passwords, because he read /etc/passwd |
| 22:05.28 | gregj | and this guy him self was so lame to put file name from disc as a parametr in script |
| 22:05.36 | gregj | murb: no, java is very nice, jboss is also quite nice |
| 22:06.06 | murb | gregj: but you can't run jboss without a horrible jre |
| 22:06.12 | gregj | murb: and i am not woried about cpu, but about memory. You probaly don't know how this thing work, so you should not take typical way of arguing |
| 22:06.20 | gregj | jre is nice |
| 22:06.22 | murb | and you cna run jboss in a resource restriced enviorment like a chroot. |
| 22:06.40 | murb | gregj:were you using the native httpd? |
| 22:06.40 | gregj | yes, i'll have to consider that |
| 22:06.54 | gregj | everything goes through apache |
| 22:07.00 | murb | I've only done the mod_jakata thing. |
| 22:07.14 | murb | gregj: and incase you've not guessed yet i have used jboss. |
| 22:07.21 | gregj | beside that java programs are recompiled into native assembler before running, and this makes them as fast as any decent c/c++ software |
| 22:07.30 | gregj | only pain in the arse is garbage collector |
| 22:07.43 | murb | gregj: yeah and the 2 minute startup times :( |
| 22:07.54 | gregj | i don't know why ppl are so close minded, and think that everything else than c is slower |
| 22:08.00 | murb | ok, 1:40 s running latest jre on a P4 1.4ghz boxen. |
| 22:08.10 | murb | gregj: But I'm not saying that. |
| 22:08.12 | gregj | maybe you should write the same thing in C, and check if it will be faster. I'll doubt that |
| 22:08.21 | gregj | anyway, this is not my problem |
| 22:08.32 | gregj | i don't care about startup time |
| 22:08.37 | gregj | as long as it is not 30 minutes |
| 22:09.12 | murb | well it certainly felt like that some of the time during testing... |
| 22:09.25 | gregj | JD: maybe i should send few bugs regarding lame security in debian, at least where is about priviliges of some dirs and files |
| 22:09.43 | gregj | JD: beside that debian is doing better job than any other distro provider anyway |
| 22:09.57 | murb | gregj: that stuff is almost certainly the way it is because of trying to comply with policy. |
| 22:10.14 | gregj | yeah, policy.... |
| 22:10.14 | gregj | ech |
| 22:10.45 | murb | acls on what? |
| 22:11.03 | JD | presumably files |
| 22:11.41 | gregj | ;] |
| 22:11.56 | murb | gregj: you mean like posixacls? |
| 22:12.01 | gregj | yep |
| 22:12.09 | gregj | access control list |
| 22:12.21 | murb | there are many times you have to specify. |
| 22:12.27 | gregj | otherwise i am not able to deny some things to one user only |
| 22:13.06 | gregj | like in e.g. , deny user java to run anything beside what's in /opt/java and access few /home subdirs with virtuals |
| 22:13.47 | gregj | i am angry, because i have to finish fewthings in KDE, not taking care about changing permisions, where they should be already set. |
| 22:14.02 | murb | gregj: you can't really do that with posix acls. |
| 22:14.14 | gregj | really ? |
| 22:14.16 | gregj | i think i can |
| 22:14.29 | gregj | acl is about giving permisions for some file operations |
| 22:14.37 | murb | yes, not about taking them away. |
| 22:14.43 | gregj | you can say that user java got permission to read this and that, and everything else is denied |
| 22:15.12 | murb | I don't think you can do the deny bit. |
| 22:15.18 | gregj | with standart unix permisions i cannot just say that he is allowed so use this not that |
| 22:15.30 | murb | Although I only have experience with POSIX acls on solaris. |
| 22:15.39 | gregj | i will have to create group for all types of users, and this will be one big hell |
| 22:16.29 | murb | gregj: you probably might want to look at stuff like SELinux and the other LSM modules. |
| 22:16.45 | gregj | nope, grsec and his ACL |
| 22:16.52 | gregj | i've used it before |
| 22:16.59 | murb | gregj: Isn't that implemented as n LSM module? |
| 22:17.00 | gregj | so i know it, and it works perfectly fine for me |
| 22:17.12 | murb | gregj: so it is more than just POSIX acls? |
| 22:17.18 | gregj | yes, but it is not SELinux |
| 22:17.21 | gregj | a bit more |
| 22:17.32 | murb | I'm just wondering how you setfacl to deny stuff to user java. |
| 22:17.39 | murb | gregj: I know it isn't. |
| 22:17.42 | gregj | i don't know what POSIX ACLs are, and what grsec does more |
| 22:18.08 | gregj | with java , there is another pain. you cannot create non executable stacks |
| 22:18.22 | gregj | because it uses this mechanism quite extensively |
| 22:18.34 | gregj | and this is not the best way of doing that |
| 22:18.54 | gregj | it is not even most reliable probably |
| 22:19.06 | gregj | but certainly the easiest one |
| 22:19.39 | murb | grsec looks quite intersting. |
| 22:20.00 | murb | gregj: I think posix acls solve a different problem :) |
| 22:20.37 | murb | v.nice if you want to share files with someone else on a shared unix system and won't need root to create groups etc for you. |
| 22:20.54 | gregj | oh |
| 22:20.55 | gregj | hmm |
| 22:21.07 | gregj | than i named it lamely ;] |
| 22:23.09 | Clyphox | hey tom |
| 22:23.12 | resuDaed | hey |
| 22:23.32 | resuDaed | Clyphox : openbsd install : what to do if NIc's not auto detected? |
| 22:23.41 | resuDaed | (I know the dev entries) |
| 22:23.50 | Clyphox | it didn't detect!?!? |
| 22:24.04 | resuDaed | on one box, not other |
| 22:24.31 | Clyphox | I've no idea.. check its plugged in, then ask on #openbsd I guesse |
| 22:25.58 | gregj | murb: in 1.9 grsec it is called ACL |
| 22:26.03 | gregj | murb: so i named it correctly |
| 22:28.33 | resuDaed | Clyphox : they were detected on boot (ie I have /dev/pccom0 and /dev/pccom1) |
| 22:30.08 | Clyphox | I wish I knew man.. its always worked for me really so I've never bothered |
| 22:30.12 | Clyphox | can you see them in dmesg? |
| 22:30.21 | murb | gregj: I was just saying that without context acl doesn't mean much. |
| 22:31.38 | resuDaed | Clyphox : yeah, thats how I know they exist |
| 22:32.01 | resuDaed | and sifting through openbsd.org, then google |
| 22:32.06 | Clyphox | wish I could help... soz |
| 22:32.19 | Clyphox | ask on #openbsd here.. they are a nice bunch |
| 22:38.04 | resuDaed | Clyphox : I am wanting to bring a 486 back into service as router (it's previous occupation actually), but I need suggestion for a good OS |
| 22:38.21 | resuDaed | actually, that's a general question (not recipient specific) |
| 22:38.51 | Clyphox | well openbsd does have pf |
| 22:38.55 | resuDaed | pf? |
| 22:38.59 | gregj | packet filter |
| 22:39.02 | resuDaed | ah yes |
| 22:39.03 | gregj | very nice tool |
| 22:39.10 | Clyphox | the packet filter I was ranting at you remember? |
| 22:39.13 | resuDaed | yeah |
| 22:39.19 | Clyphox | its good |
| 22:39.33 | stephen | yer, I've got OpenBSD on my Sun Sparcstation 5, and it handles my home routing fine |
| 22:39.38 | Clyphox | next too that I would use netbsd or gentoo/slack |
| 22:39.39 | stephen | s/5/10/ |
| 22:39.40 | resuDaed | if I plug a cd into a 486, and boot from floppy, will the OBSD kernel pick up its existance |
| 22:40.02 | Clyphox | resuDaed: why not install from the net? |
| 22:40.28 | Clyphox | stephen: I have netbsd on my ss5 :-) they are nice boxes aren't they :-) |
| 22:40.47 | resuDaed | Clyphox : the issue with the ISA NICs I just mentioned |
| 22:40.54 | Clyphox | gah |
| 22:41.00 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 22:41.09 | Clyphox | I would never use anything without pci due to my blood pressure |
| 22:41.23 | resuDaed | I personally don't mind ISA (when it works) |
| 22:41.30 | Clyphox | (apart from _real_ HW like sun heh) |
| 22:41.31 | resuDaed | these cards actually seem to be working |
| 22:41.36 | Clyphox | yeah if it works its fine |
| 22:42.14 | stephen | Clyphox: yer, indeed |
| 22:43.57 | resuDaed | Clyphox : Compaq Prosignia 200 is now running OBSD |
| 22:45.19 | Clyphox | does it boot? |
| 22:45.26 | Clyphox | resuDaed: I was just thinkinh |
| 22:45.40 | resuDaed | sounds dangerous |
| 22:45.45 | Clyphox | resuDaed: heh |
| 22:45.54 | Clyphox | (damn gaim is popping up) |
| 22:47.07 | Clyphox | resuDaed: Why not specify the ammount of ram with lilo? |
| 22:47.17 | Clyphox | it overrides the bios apparently |
| 22:47.53 | resuDaed | Clyphox : it is now picking up ram :-$ |
| 22:48.00 | Clyphox | woohoo |
| 22:48.41 | resuDaed | I have 2x64 + 2x16 |
| 22:51.23 | Clyphox | I love my laptop! |
| 22:53.43 | Clyphox | aint init 6 fun |
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| 22:55.48 | Clyphox | wb |
| 22:56.29 | resuDaed | ty |
| 22:56.46 | resuDaed | brb |
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| 23:15.19 | JD | night |
| 23:15.39 | gregj | night |
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