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10:34.46 | gregj | wb |
10:35.23 | Leeds | hi :-) |
10:37.44 | Wethrin | Hi |
10:37.45 | gregj | are you going tommorow to see RMS ? |
10:37.57 | Wethrin | I should be |
10:38.11 | gregj | damn, i b0kerd something in kopete again.. |
10:38.11 | gregj | grr |
10:39.07 | Wethrin | HEh. |
10:39.27 | Wethrin | Oi Leeds. Why doesn't Java have a Complex number class? |
10:39.40 | Leeds | dunno... bloody fux0red transport system... and got a mate's birthday later in the day |
10:39.48 | Wethrin | (other than Real Mathematicians/Physicists don't use Java) |
10:40.02 | Wethrin | Car |
10:40.06 | Leeds | Wethrin: because it was designed by computer scientists who see complex numbers as just a sort of array? :-) |
10:40.07 | gregj | Wethrin: because it is SUNish |
10:40.25 | Wethrin | Yes, but they're not just an array :) |
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10:41.48 | Leeds | you're emitting a shower? how... twisted |
10:42.10 | gregj | read qt docs ;]] |
10:42.18 | gregj | you will know what emit does |
10:42.23 | Leeds | no, never |
10:42.35 | Leeds | try throwing a ShowerException? |
10:42.40 | gregj | just type in your konqueror qt:emit ;] |
10:42.50 | Wethrin | Only if there's no water :) |
10:42.56 | Wethrin | (or no hot water) |
10:43.02 | Leeds | $ konqueror |
10:43.02 | Leeds | bash: konqueror: command not found |
10:43.10 | Wethrin | I don't have a konqueror |
10:43.19 | SIG_SHOWER | your linux instalation is not complete *g* |
10:44.41 | Wethrin | Gah. Bloody students. |
10:44.51 | Wethrin | There is a big demo march on the day of the London speech and will definitely |
10:44.52 | Wethrin | affect transport. The aim of the march is to bring London to a standstill. |
10:44.55 | Leeds | Wethrin: yes, gits aren't you? |
10:44.56 | SIG_SHOWER | self criticism ? |
10:45.08 | Wethrin | I'm not demonstrating against fees. |
10:45.16 | SIG_SHOWER | (yey) |
10:45.25 | SIG_SHOWER | -> |
10:46.04 | Leeds | Wethrin: why not? |
10:46.07 | Wethrin | The only people who actually bother about it are semi-rich kids |
10:46.26 | Wethrin | Poor students will get their fees paid for them by their LEA. |
10:46.37 | Wethrin | I'm an MSc student. I have to pay anyway :) |
10:48.14 | Wethrin | Holding the demonstration on the Saturday is only going to really annoy shoppers, and a few others. |
10:48.33 | Leeds | isn't it tomorrow? |
10:48.41 | Wethrin | Oh, yes. |
10:48.47 | Wethrin | But the rest of the point still stands. |
10:48.58 | Leeds | anyway, you're only a student because it's more fun than joining the real world, no? |
10:49.07 | Wethrin | Yesish |
10:49.47 | Wethrin | If they wanted the demonstration to have some effect, they should disrupt passage to Westminster. |
10:50.01 | Wethrin | Not just annoy a few shoppers. Bloody students. |
10:54.40 | Wethrin | Heh. |
10:58.54 | Leeds | morning Huhn |
10:58.56 | Wethrin | Hi |
10:58.57 | Huhn | moin |
10:59.53 | Wethrin | Leeds: Watchign on Tivo? |
11:00.03 | Leeds | Wethrin: what else? |
11:00.21 | Wethrin | Sky? |
11:00.42 | Leeds | BBC |
11:00.51 | Leeds | although this mad Lord has been on before |
11:01.24 | Wethrin | You could be watching it on a digital channel, rather than standard terrestrial. |
11:11.00 | Wethrin | SIG_SEGV |
11:11.10 | Leeds | I am... BBC1 on Sky :-) |
11:11.46 | gregj | lord is my sheppard |
11:12.06 | gregj | he won't let me SIG_SEGV for my sins |
11:12.55 | gregj | as long as i'll repair all my exceptions in catch(){..} |
11:13.44 | Wethrin | :) |
11:19.10 | murble | but catch a SIG_KILL and you'll meet your lord. |
11:20.03 | gregj | true indeed |
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12:01.44 | gregj | zachary: Hi |
12:02.20 | zachary | hey gregj: did you get my email? |
12:02.40 | gregj | which one ? |
12:02.56 | zachary | sent a few minutes ago. |
12:03.08 | gregj | got it |
12:03.10 | gregj | thanks |
12:03.20 | gregj | i'll be there to help if needed |
12:03.57 | zachary | ok, how things? |
12:07.08 | gregj | not too bad |
12:07.27 | gregj | got some job |
12:08.29 | zachary | good, doing? |
12:09.03 | gregj | sysadm |
12:19.19 | Wethrin | Hi |
12:20.34 | zachary | hey Wethrin |
12:21.08 | Wethrin | Floating point numbers suck |
12:21.19 | gregj | hehe |
12:21.29 | Wethrin | More specifically, floating point arithmetic |
12:21.59 | Wethrin | if c=(4+8i) and d=(2+2i), then c/d = (3+i) |
12:22.03 | Wethrin | But what it gives is |
12:22.09 | Wethrin | 2.999999999999999+0.9999999999999998i |
12:22.43 | gregj | hehe |
12:24.24 | Wethrin | Silly computers |
12:24.58 | Wethrin | Any ideas how to get a slightly more accurate result? |
12:25.56 | gregj | round ? |
12:26.02 | zachary | Wethrin: Subroutine that rounds to sig figs |
12:26.42 | gregj | Wethrin: beside that doing float==float is silly |
12:26.54 | Wethrin | gregj: Hm? |
12:27.13 | gregj | Wethrin: moment, i have to dig out few headers |
12:27.18 | Wethrin | Is there a nice Java method that rounds to x sig figs? |
12:28.18 | Wethrin | Or is there a formatted print statement akin to printf? |
12:28.57 | gregj | you cannot compare floats or compare them to 0 on computers |
12:29.15 | Wethrin | I'm not comparing floats. |
12:29.29 | gregj | i don't know how about java, but you cannot do this in either assembler or C |
12:29.47 | Wethrin | Anyway, it's up to the compiler to generate the correct machine code to compare float(a)==float(b) |
12:31.00 | Wethrin | I thought it worked in C if you had: float a; float b; if (a==b) { ... }; |
12:31.52 | gregj | it should |
12:32.01 | gregj | as long as you don't have any rounds |
12:32.12 | Wethrin | I haven't been rounding anything |
12:32.16 | Wethrin | Hence I get the errors :) |
12:33.04 | gregj | the same with comparing to 0 |
12:33.11 | gregj | i cannot find float.h on my computer |
12:33.30 | gregj | but there is a constant to which you have to compare, instead of float==0 |
12:33.38 | Wethrin | 0.0? :) |
12:33.44 | gregj | nope |
12:33.52 | gregj | there is no 0.0 on FPU |
12:34.07 | Wethrin | Digital computers are shit, then |
12:34.20 | gregj | sometimes :] |
12:34.43 | gregj | i've spend a lot figuring out how to write things using FPU in assembler, and i share your view completly |
12:36.27 | Wethrin | I'm not even dealing with particularly complicated floating point numbers |
12:36.32 | Wethrin | 4.0, 8.0 and 2.0 |
12:36.52 | gregj | you have to round |
12:38.22 | Wethrin | How would you round to the 18th decimal place? |
12:39.01 | Wethrin | Multiplying by 10^18, rounding to integer, and then dividing by 10^18 isn't really wonderful |
12:40.49 | gregj | true |
12:40.52 | gregj | i am not java master |
12:40.58 | gregj | i know java just a bit |
12:44.20 | gregj | i think we should talk about it in pub today :] |
12:44.35 | Wethrin | Tomorrow? |
12:45.29 | gregj | oh yes, tommorow there is unofficial meeting :] |
12:45.35 | Wethrin | yep |
12:47.31 | highbury | anybody run BitTorrent in headless mode? |
12:53.25 | Wethrin | Nope, sorry. |
12:58.37 | Wethrin | Right. I have the following methods on a cartesian complex number: add, subtract, multiply, divide, modulus, argument, conjugate, and convert to Polar |
12:58.51 | Wethrin | Are there any more common operations? |
13:17.19 | murble | highbury: yep |
13:21.04 | Wethrin | Right. I ought to go walk the dog. Back in an hour or so |
13:24.49 | Wethrin | Hm. Actually more than an hour, because I promised someone I'd fix their computer. Grr. |
13:25.41 | murble | you need the t-shirt, no i will not fix your computer. |
13:25.45 | murble | just incase you accidently offer to. |
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14:58.21 | formi | hiya |
15:07.36 | murble | lo |
15:07.54 | formi | tell me |
15:08.37 | murble | what do you wish to know? |
15:08.50 | formi | have you ever seen bind not allowing nslookup from localhost and allowing for the rest? |
15:09.36 | formi | of the network |
15:09.37 | murble | you could cause it to be like that using bind acls or maybe it isn't even binding to localhost? |
15:10.06 | murble | e.g. with listen-on { }; not including localhost |
15:10.16 | formi | it is binding to the 3 ips, 127.0.0.1, internal and external |
15:10.36 | murble | do you have more than one copy of bind running? |
15:10.47 | formi | i solved it adding the external ip to the acl |
15:10.56 | formi | no, just one |
15:11.12 | murble | it is normally worth stopping it and making sure it really isn't running, then starting it again. |
15:13.33 | formi | options { |
15:13.33 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
15:13.33 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
15:13.33 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
15:13.33 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
15:13.34 | formi | }; |
15:14.29 | formi | when the problem was happening only internal was listed in allow-recursion, 192.168.4.0/24 |
15:15.25 | formi | then i added 127.0.0.1 as local, but no change, and then i added the external ip and now it works |
15:15.33 | JD | hi all |
15:15.41 | formi | 'lo |
15:16.34 | murble | formi: so for some reason when you do an nslookup to localhost it is binding to an external interface ip? |
15:16.44 | murble | does dig behave differently? |
15:17.05 | murble | nslookup tends to be a bit crap, especally when you're having dns problems. |
15:17.22 | formi | dig just reports no ip and the list of the root servers |
15:17.56 | murble | dig @127.0.0.1 somthingotherother? |
15:18.08 | formi | same thing |
15:18.18 | murble | formi: you'll be confused if you have allow-recursion, but don't restrict query |
15:18.37 | murble | once bind knows an answer it will give it to clients that are not in allow-recursion |
15:18.37 | formi | what do you mean? |
15:19.00 | murble | bind will give out answers to stuff that it knows |
15:19.07 | murble | even if you are not in allow-recursion. |
15:19.29 | formi | let me test it |
15:19.33 | murble | so say you look up www.google.com it will probably know the answer already and tell anyone unless you lock down allow-query |
15:20.08 | formi | yeah it does |
15:20.54 | formi | the previous issue could be because in /etc/resolv.conf I have listed the external ip address |
15:25.33 | formi | ok, i changed the external ip in resolv.conf for 127.0.0.1, and the same in the acl |
15:26.30 | formi | now it resolves locally but it doesn't allow recursive queries from external ips |
15:36.20 | JD | Leeds: isn;t that a bit uncomfortable? |
15:36.44 | Leeds | a little |
15:40.58 | Leeds | all the extremely boring details of family/friends' lives |
15:47.45 | formi | 192.168.4.63,1416 192.117.152.14,80 tcp ESTABLISHED 90:59:07 |
15:48.12 | JD | is that a time in the last column? |
15:48.14 | formi | is this normal to have 90+ hours as TTL |
15:48.38 | JD | er it is certainly "different" |
15:48.54 | formi | funny thing is that machine left the office about 24 hours ago |
15:53.11 | formi | net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_intvl = 75 |
15:53.11 | formi | net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes = 9 |
15:53.11 | formi | net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 1800 |
15:53.30 | formi | what is the 1st one for? |
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16:07.50 | Leeds | bloody hell that was a 2 hour phone call... |
16:08.50 | formi | my record stands at about 5 hours |
16:09.06 | Xiaoqi | only 5? |
16:09.12 | Xiaoqi | i think i managed 7 once... |
16:09.22 | formi | well it was to madrid |
16:09.49 | Xiaoqi | ah |
16:09.54 | Xiaoqi | you win! |
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17:03.02 | Leeds | SMAC is still a very very good game |
17:03.30 | eye69 | *bored* |
17:03.39 | eye69 | Just finished Max Payne 2 |
17:24.09 | Wethrin | Heh |
17:24.35 | Wethrin | Broken hardware sucks. |
17:24.44 | Wethrin | Intermittently breaking hardware sucks too. |
17:29.12 | Leeds | that's worse |
17:29.34 | Leeds | if it's broken, you can fix or dump... |
17:30.04 | Wethrin | I'm going to get a new hard drive for them. |
17:30.16 | Wethrin | If that doesn't work, then it's likely that the IDE controller is shafted |
17:30.23 | Wethrin | Which tends to imply a motherboard replacement |
17:30.53 | Leeds | yeah :-( |
17:31.19 | Wethrin | It's a 633MHz Celery, but they're quite happy with it |
17:32.07 | Leeds | hard to replace that |
17:35.10 | Wethrin | Even getting a cheap mobo+CPU would be around £150 |
17:35.17 | Wethrin | (at least for any vaguely sane hardware) |
17:37.44 | Leeds | dunno about that |
17:37.56 | Wethrin | I don't look at PeeCee prices |
17:37.58 | stephen | get a PCI-based IDE controller? |
17:38.16 | Leeds | low-end Althon (or Duron) and decent board would be less than 100 quid - maybe need new RAM and stuff as well :-( |
17:38.26 | Wethrin | Leeds: Does that include CPU? |
17:38.32 | Leeds | Wethrin: sure |
17:38.37 | Wethrin | That's not bad, then |
17:39.14 | Leeds | Athlon XP 1800+ (1.53GHz) including fan/heatsink for 45 quid |
17:39.46 | Leeds | Asus m/b 41 quid |
17:40.38 | Leeds | and that's nforce, so it's got half-decent video, network, sound, onboard |
17:41.29 | Leeds | that's inc VAT, excluding p&p |
17:41.48 | murble | I'm after a new mobo for one that died that'll take old proccesor+ram etc, found dabs selling one, ordered it and have heard nothing for a week despite them claiming to have 11 in stock :( |
17:42.38 | Wethrin | I've never had a problem with Dabs. Well, once, when they delivered to home instead of Uni. But I did get it when I went home |
17:43.02 | Leeds | I've had varied experiences with them |
17:44.09 | Leeds | ibot change 66.10 gbp to euro |
18:04.47 | Wethrin | Gah. I need to be more organised |
18:04.51 | Wethrin | I've lost a card wallet |
18:04.58 | Wethrin | (which didn't have cards in it) |
18:05.15 | Wethrin | And Natwest appears to have failed to send me a new credit card |
18:06.37 | cupis | Wethrin: maybe they sent it to your branch and are waiting for you to collect it? |
18:07.02 | Wethrin | They've always sent stuff to my home before |
18:07.25 | Wethrin | And the no-one's alerted me that there is a card waiting for me |
18:07.42 | cupis | have there been any transactions on it? |
18:08.11 | Wethrin | I don't know yet. The credit card bill should arrive RSN |
18:08.28 | Wethrin | And the new card (if they sent it) would only have been valid from the start of this month |
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19:38.06 | Cope | Hello! |
19:38.29 | Cope | Oooh... 26th Octovver - is that tomorrow evening? |
19:39.16 | Wethrin | No. It's tomorrow all day. |
19:39.43 | Cope | oooh |
19:40.52 | Wethrin | But the talk is at 2.30 |
19:41.08 | Wethrin | It's the 26th of October from midnight until 11.59:59 |
19:41.47 | cupis | Wethrin: it's the 26th from 01:00 to 23:59:59 |
19:42.01 | cupis | ? |
19:42.19 | cupis | hmm, thinking about it, maybe not. From 00:00 to 23:59:59, which is 25 hours. |
19:43.30 | Cope | How long is it likely to last? |
19:46.26 | zachary | Actually DST starts at 2am. |
19:46.36 | Wethrin | It's GMT |
19:46.44 | Wethrin | DST would have been in the spring |
19:47.07 | zachary | ok, ends at 2am. |
19:47.11 | zachary | :-) |
19:47.14 | Wethrin | :) |
19:47.37 | zachary | waz up dan |
19:47.40 | Wethrin | I think that's a good excuseas any for a drink tomorrow |
19:48.05 | Wethrin | Nowt much. Was playing with Java, writing a complex number class. |
19:48.18 | Wethrin | And noticing that floating point arithmetic is very crap |
19:49.07 | zachary | Yea, saw earlier. |
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19:57.28 | Cope | Hello again |
19:57.52 | Wethrin | Hello again. |
19:58.05 | Wethrin | The talk is likely to last until people stop asking questions :) |
19:59.29 | zachary | wb Cope |
19:59.33 | Cope | Thanks zach! |
19:59.38 | Cope | Is RMS a good speaker? |
19:59.41 | Wethrin | Yes |
20:01.06 | Wethrin | You'd be best off asking her, rather than asking us |
20:01.47 | murble | he tends to say the same thing to the word. |
20:02.11 | Cope | Does he say what he writes? |
20:02.12 | zachary | The lecture will not go much past 5pm. |
20:03.54 | Wethrin | murble: So it'll be the same as at FOSDEM, then?/ |
20:04.48 | murble | did he speak about software patents then? |
20:05.02 | Wethrin | I think so, yes. |
20:05.13 | Huhn | yes, he did, and he took off his shoes ;) |
20:05.29 | murble | you can probably get the words from http://www.fsf.org |
20:05.29 | Huhn | (which wasn't very nice for ppl in the first row) |
20:05.59 | murble | so rember everyone sit at the back! |
20:06.10 | Wethrin | Huhn: Did he smell that badly? |
20:06.32 | Huhn | Wethrin: I was trying to take pictures.. I don't want to answer the question ;) |
20:06.33 | murble | Wethrin: didn't you hear the Lonix talk from the head of FSF jp? |
20:06.44 | Wethrin | murble: Nope |
20:07.05 | murble | oh it was about how he only ever stayed with people 1 or 2 nights in japan before their wifes had him move on.. |
20:07.27 | murble | but at said place his wife asked him to take a shower and he stayed longer... |
20:07.37 | murble | s/said/wife of head of fsf jp/ |
20:07.37 | Leeds | lots of fireworks outside... |
20:07.46 | JD | Leeds: small children? |
20:07.58 | murble | diwali(sp?) |
20:08.06 | Leeds | murble: I think so |
20:08.09 | Cope | Leeds: Hello. Yes; I can hear/see them too. |
20:08.34 | Leeds | hey all :-) |
20:08.46 | Cope | Woo Leeds :o) |
20:08.59 | highbury | leeds do you use non-gui bittorrent? |
20:09.11 | Leeds | highbury: sure... the curses client, usually |
20:09.39 | Cope | Likewise. |
20:10.05 | Wethrin | Yes, it's Diwali |
20:10.32 | highbury | I get failure message "extmode GUI initialization failed, cannot proceed. |
20:10.32 | highbury | This download interface requires the standard Python module "curses", which is unfortunately not available for the native Windows port of Python. It is however available for the Cygwin port of Python, running on all Win32 systems (www.cygwin.com). |
20:10.33 | highbury | You may still use "btdownloadheadless.py" to download. |
20:10.35 | highbury | Traceback (most recent call last): |
20:10.37 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
20:10.39 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
20:10.41 | highbury | NameError: global name 'scrwin' is not defined |
20:10.43 | highbury | " |
20:11.23 | Leeds | ah, so you can't use the curses client |
20:11.46 | zachary | highbury: Is your e-mail back up? |
20:13.04 | highbury | zachary: should be once I've rebooted to repartition, so later on tonight |
20:14.15 | murble | urgle, i've got to make a CV |
20:14.28 | Wethrin | Urg. So do I. Silly university things. |
20:14.44 | murble | so entirly different kinds of CV then. |
20:15.02 | murble | are people having beer after rms tomorrow? |
20:15.10 | murble | (not at the green man) |
20:15.25 | Wethrin | Yes, and I'm not sure, it depends where everyone else goes |
20:15.35 | murble | maybe they need guidance. |
20:15.44 | Wethrin | We went to a different pub last week for a mini-Gllug. And it wasn't as good |
20:15.54 | Leeds | highbury: which Python are you using from where? |
20:17.26 | Wethrin | Green Man has the advantage that it's quite large and close to Westminster Uni. |
20:17.40 | murble | pity about the beer then really. |
20:18.08 | Wethrin | I quite like the beer there. i.e. they have stuff I like |
20:18.44 | Wethrin | You could always ask them for other beer |
20:18.58 | murble | and them having non working creditcard machines |
20:19.06 | Wethrin | Always worked for me |
20:19.13 | murble | Wethrin: it is more them not careing about the beer. |
20:19.14 | Wethrin | do you break them? |
20:19.26 | murble | they were broken the time before last that iw as in there. |
20:19.47 | Wethrin | Hm. Well, I'm going to go where everyone else goes. |
20:21.41 | Leeds | I'm not |
20:21.58 | Wethrin | You're going to be elsewhere tomorrow? |
20:22.08 | Leeds | at least in the evening, yes |
20:22.25 | Wethrin | Will you be at the talk, then, or still not sure? |
20:22.31 | Leeds | dunno |
20:24.19 | Leeds | hmm... Matrix 3 advery |
20:25.08 | Wethrin | Matrix 3 is being prebooked at The Empire |
20:25.54 | Wethrin | Is it worth organising a #gllug Matrix-watching? |
20:26.25 | Leeds | quite possibly :-) |
20:27.00 | highbury | last two times I've been at the green man they had "run out of bitter"!!! |
20:27.29 | murble | my machine is being bombarded with worm infected emails, 500mb worth today :( |
20:27.43 | Wethrin | murble: :( |
20:27.45 | murble | that is by smtp |
20:27.47 | highbury | the advantage is that it has space, cos it doesn't get many customers for its size, |
20:27.59 | murble | not worm traffic, but i don't suppose normal traffic is that large amount |
20:28.03 | Leeds | highbury: which Python are you using from where? |
20:28.05 | murble | since it is normally 10mb a day |
20:28.14 | highbury | I saw Matrix 2 on IMAX ... cool! |
20:28.19 | Wethrin | highbury: You should have turned up to the last few Gllug meets then :) |
20:28.23 | Wethrin | They had bitter. |
20:28.27 | Wethrin | highbury: Nice. |
20:28.44 | highbury | leeds, I just found out that I hadn't the python-curses module loaded, I'm just trying agaon |
20:29.08 | Wethrin | So.....IMAX viewing, or digital screen viewing, or boring cinema viewing? |
20:29.25 | Huhn | is there an IMAX version of Matrix 3?= |
20:29.33 | Wethrin | Prolly |
20:29.45 | Huhn | I've seen the reloaded in IMAX, very cool |
20:29.56 | Wethrin | But reloaded sucked |
20:30.16 | Huhn | the story sucked, but the stunts/races etc. were great |
20:30.33 | highbury | it was disappointing, it could have been better, but was still not bad |
20:30.53 | Huhn | yep, I wasn't expecting anything and had a good time |
20:30.57 | highbury | fight scenes, and wordy bits were a bit long |
20:31.43 | murble | how many have there been? |
20:31.43 | highbury | and the dance at Babylon scene, seemed pointless filler |
20:31.54 | murble | I think i just saw the first one, and fell asleep during it anyway. |
20:32.22 | highbury | Leeds: its all working now, curses.gui that is |
20:32.29 | Leeds | highbury: good :-) |
20:32.57 | murble | tis much nicer to bt to place with bandwidth then rsync down. |
20:33.14 | murble | since bt tends to max stuff out and make interactive stuff poor. |
20:33.35 | Wethrin | Well, the first Matrix was okay, but I still wouldn't buy the DVD. |
20:33.38 | Huhn | murble: I contacted the Gasthäusl today btw |
20:33.57 | murble | Huhn: was pete there still? |
20:34.00 | Huhn | murble: asking them if they would cope with more geeks next year |
20:34.18 | Huhn | murble: I sent an email, but the website still says that it's owned by Peter and his family, yes |
20:34.26 | murble | cool. |
20:34.30 | Leeds | murble: I use the max_upload option set to slightly below my upload b/w - I've got plenty of download b/w |
20:35.00 | murble | Leeds: I foundyeah that the maxed out upload wasn't nice. |
20:35.12 | murble | much nicer to use someones nice fast connection, the rsync though |
20:39.08 | Leeds | stoke me a clipper |
20:39.26 | Wethrin | You'll be back for Christmas? |
20:39.34 | murble | will your data? |
20:41.01 | Wethrin | Depends on the hard drive :) |
20:45.01 | highbury | Leeds: I'm continually getting the message from BitTorrent "Problem connecting to tracker - (111, 'Connection refused')" |
20:45.29 | Wethrin | Does th name of the tracker resolve to 127.0.0.1? |
20:45.41 | Leeds | highbury: probably means it's either down or overloaded |
20:49.18 | highbury | gotta rebeoot back later |
20:49.23 | Leeds | seeya |
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21:11.27 | Wethrin | Jerry Springer? |
21:11.38 | Leeds | Dusk Til Dawn :-) |
21:11.52 | Wethrin | ah |
21:11.57 | eye69 | That's a nice one. |
21:12.08 | eye69 | Many good quotes. :) |
21:12.37 | Leeds | indeed |
21:12.49 | murble | cool. |
21:12.51 | eye69 | Meanwhile I am boring myself to death |
21:13.45 | Wethrin | I'm watching Dilbert |
21:23.36 | Wethrin | Mmm.....bed. Maybe I should drag laptop into it |
21:28.39 | JD | Wethrin: you know you can't have sex with a laptop |
21:28.52 | Wethrin | But it's a very sexy laptop |
21:28.55 | murble | JD: bed irc, better than sex! |
21:29.11 | Wethrin | Well, more easily available currently |
21:29.15 | JD | murble: I am sitting on my bed |
21:29.36 | murble | I'm sitting in cold room,a nd have cold feet. |
21:29.41 | JD | Wethrin: I'm sure that it would be fairly easy for you to get some sex |
21:30.01 | Wethrin | JD: Well, first I'd need to get a nice girl |
21:30.09 | murble | isn't beconsfield a bit posh for that? |
21:30.13 | JD | Wethrin: why is that a requirement |
21:30.21 | Wethrin | "We're from Beaconsfield. We don't have sex" |
21:30.45 | Wethrin | JD: Because I don't want to sleep with just any random slut? |
21:31.14 | murble | s/any/other/ # ? |
21:31.26 | murble | or is that cruel? |
21:31.40 | JD | murble: you mean another |
21:31.54 | murble | JD: that would be even worse. |
21:32.11 | Wethrin | Indeed |
21:33.00 | Wethrin | JD: Really it'd be just as easy for you as for, um, anyone else from Gllug |
21:33.13 | Wethrin | (anyone else single) |
21:33.20 | JD | Wethrin: possibly easier than most |
21:33.30 | JD | Wethrin: I don't think that would be much of a barrier |
21:34.02 | Wethrin | Heh. |
21:34.14 | Wethrin | I wasn't talking about it as a barrier |
21:34.15 | JD | argh blade 2 or HIGNFY |
21:34.22 | Wethrin | Merely ease of getting any |
21:34.27 | Wethrin | HIGNFY. |
21:35.59 | murble | that was on yesterday |
21:36.08 | JD | that assumed !single people have sex on tap |
21:36.22 | JD | which isn;t entirely true |
21:36.27 | JD | as you well know |
21:36.33 | JD | martin clunes |
21:38.12 | Wethrin | JD: Well, that's just getting into pedantry |
21:39.45 | Wethrin | How long would it take you to get to Sudbury? |
21:40.48 | JD | about 2 hours |
21:40.55 | JD | I'm sure I could odo better |
21:41.12 | Wethrin | Without paying? ;-) |
21:41.19 | JD | yes |
21:41.38 | JD | in both time and quality |
21:41.48 | Wethrin | Do you have anyone closer by, then? |
21:42.13 | JD | the ex |
21:42.34 | Wethrin | Well, if she's willing... |
21:42.39 | murble | so go via the ex |
21:43.45 | JD | but I'm not the one wanting sex |
21:43.58 | murble | oh so Wethrin has to go via his ex |
21:44.06 | JD | or mine? |
21:44.17 | Wethrin | Did I say something about wanting it? |
21:44.40 | Wethrin | I merely said that BedIRC was more available currently |
21:44.42 | murble | no, but your laptop did |
21:44.57 | Wethrin | No, JD wanted my laptop to |
21:45.05 | JD | well you are the one trying to shag your powerbook |
21:45.12 | Wethrin | No I'm not |
21:45.24 | murble | does it have a pcmcia slot? |
21:45.26 | Wethrin | I merely said it's a sexy laptop. |
21:45.31 | Wethrin | Yes, it does. |
21:45.32 | JD | murble: CF? |
21:45.39 | murble | does it have irda? |
21:45.42 | Wethrin | No |
21:45.45 | JD | 4pin Firewire? |
21:45.45 | eye69 | Bluetooth? |
21:45.52 | murble | JD: what are you saying about Wethrin ? |
21:45.54 | Wethrin | Firewire yes. Bluetooth no. |
21:46.07 | JD | murble: the same as you, but more insulting |
21:46.16 | Wethrin | this laptop is > 1 year old, so no BT |
21:46.36 | murble | JD: we no laptops take floppy disks now days do they? |
21:46.40 | Wethrin | JD: Are you coming tomorrow? |
21:46.51 | JD | Wethrin: depends if I go see the ex |
21:47.19 | Wethrin | Fair enough. murble? |
21:47.21 | JD | murble: I think we can just go the full way and ask if it has a headphone socket |
21:48.37 | JD | do we get more or less sleep tonight? |
21:48.41 | Wethrin | More. |
21:48.44 | JD | w00t |
21:49.22 | Wethrin | Yep |
21:56.57 | murble | JD: cdrom eject whole? |
21:57.22 | zachary | People with children do not. |
21:57.31 | JD | murble: I didn't think powerbooks had one |
21:59.36 | Wethrin | They don't |
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22:37.41 | zachary | Leeds: Upgrade to T3 or OC! |
22:37.57 | Leeds | thinking more of a software solution :-) |
22:39.05 | zachary | Leeds: Nothing like smoking on a fat pipe :-) |
22:39.06 | Leeds | the ADSL itself seems pretty stable... but the PPP drops occasionally |
22:39.39 | Wethrin | It's missing methods to raise to n'th power, and take the n'the square root |
22:41.38 | Leeds | nth power is easy, surely? |
22:41.49 | murble | Wethrin: why? |
22:41.53 | Wethrin | Very easy in polar co-ordinated |
22:41.56 | Wethrin | *ordinates |
22:42.07 | Wethrin | Mildly less easy in cartesians |
22:44.18 | JD | C++ or java? |
22:44.40 | Wethrin | In fact, with Cartesians you'd have to expand it as a polynomial, which is evil |
22:44.42 | Leeds | how the fuck did Mandrake release a distro which kills LG CD-ROM drives??? |
22:44.42 | Wethrin | JD: JAva |
22:45.14 | Leeds | that's really scary |
22:45.19 | Wethrin | Kill? |
22:46.18 | Leeds | kill dead, apparently |
22:48.05 | Wethrin | A permanent afflication? |
22:48.33 | Leeds | yes |
22:48.52 | Wethrin | Oops |
22:49.03 | Leeds | yes |
22:49.04 | Wethrin | Permanent as in, run Mandrake, bin CD drive? |
22:49.41 | Leeds | yes |
22:49.44 | Leeds | apparently |
22:49.52 | Wethrin | Very oops |
22:49.59 | Leeds | it's something to do with packet-writing support or sending a command to flush the cache or something |
22:50.09 | Leeds | and apparently a lot of Dells have OEMed LG drives |
22:53.35 | Wethrin | D'oh |
22:54.33 | zachary | g'night |
22:54.40 | Leeds | night |
22:57.14 | Wethrin | Missed |
22:58.13 | Leeds | yeah |
22:59.47 | Leeds | heh - sunlight + disco ball = many dead vamps |
22:59.59 | Wethrin | Heh |
23:07.11 | Wethrin | w00t |
23:07.20 | Wethrin | Added a power function |
23:07.31 | Wethrin | Should work for any power (including -ve and fraction) |
23:10.15 | Leeds | complex powers? |
23:13.23 | Leeds | Swedish - that explains a lot |
23:15.47 | Wethrin | Urgh. no. Haven't done a routine to take one complex number to the power of another one |
23:15.53 | Wethrin | I'm sticking with real powers |
23:16.14 | Leeds | my TiVo is confused about me |
23:16.36 | Leeds | it's recording Dukes of Hazzard because it thinks I'll like it :-) |
23:16.48 | Wethrin | If I ever come across an occasion where I need to raise to a complex power, I'll write a method for it |
23:16.54 | Leeds | sure - I'm not saying complex powers make sense - just for the sake of completeness :-) |
23:17.00 | Wethrin | Don't you like Dukes of Hazzard? |
23:17.27 | Wethrin | I don't think that it makes mathematical sense to raise to a complex power |
23:17.44 | Leeds | it's not so much if I like it or not... just that my TiVo is suggesting it, seems strange |
23:17.49 | Wethrin | Ah |
23:33.29 | Wethrin | Fun |
23:35.07 | Leeds | it's sort of an anti-gang thing - alternative to sports or gangs |
23:35.51 | Wethrin | Ah |
23:36.03 | Wethrin | Apache is giving me gried |
23:36.19 | Wethrin | Said Permission Denied in one directory (which does contain an index.html) |
23:36.29 | Leeds | I generally get along with it, but I don't do complex stuff |
23:37.00 | Wethrin | This isn't complex :) |
23:38.01 | Leeds | can you go to index.html directly? |
23:38.56 | Wethrin | Ah. It doesn't like having a directory called /doc |
23:39.13 | Leeds | clashing with an existing definition? |
23:39.44 | murble | Wethrin: yeah the alias in main config? |
23:41.00 | Wethrin | Yes. |
23:41.10 | Wethrin | Which I've now changed to /localdoc, rather than /doc |
23:41.28 | Wethrin | Right. That works. |
23:41.39 | Wethrin | Silly thing. *mutter* |
23:45.18 | murble | on a 486 blue lightning |
23:45.28 | Wethrin | Return tomorrow |
23:46.25 | murble | and find it run out of disk space? |
23:46.40 | Wethrin | Yes |
23:47.11 | murble | I'm at -20Mb |
23:47.31 | murble | time for rm -rf /usr/ports/ i think |
23:50.04 | Wethrin | That'll take some time |
23:50.15 | Wethrin | Sleep, I think |
23:53.19 | Wethrin | See you tomorrow, maybe |
23:53.27 | gregj | not maybe |
23:54.27 | murble | what time is tomorrow? |
23:54.33 | murble | gregj: you're not coming tomorrow? |
23:54.54 | Wethrin | 2.30pm start |
23:55.24 | murble | a that is quite early for me. |
23:55.26 | Wethrin | I'll take train at 1323 (leaves Wycombe at 1317), which will arrive in Marylebone at 1354 |
23:55.35 | murble | assuming I don't get a travel card. |
23:55.45 | murble | which i'm going to stop doing, except when going south of the river. |
23:56.02 | Wethrin | You'd walk, then? |
23:57.02 | Wethrin | Well, give me a call if you're going to be on that train |
23:57.07 | gregj | Wethrin: remember about two things, there are going to be loads of ppl to see RMS, and remember about those demonstrations (bloody students..) |
23:57.29 | Wethrin | Yes. Should be okay, hopefully |
23:57.33 | murble | Wethrin: I cna't call people anymore... |
23:57.38 | murble | when mobile anyway |
23:57.46 | Wethrin | Not from your BT phone either? |
23:57.58 | Wethrin | Err, sorry, O2. |
23:58.12 | murble | hmm, i'm not sure that it has credit, or your number. |
23:58.45 | Wethrin | 07973 623883 |
23:59.03 | gregj | Wethrin: so came earlier |
23:59.13 | gregj | i will aim for 12:00 |
23:59.28 | Wethrin | Too early. I need to take the dog for a decently long walk |