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01:25.12JDhi
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10:34.46gregjwb
10:35.23Leedshi :-)
10:37.44WethrinHi
10:37.45gregjare you going tommorow to see RMS ?
10:37.57WethrinI should be
10:38.11gregjdamn, i b0kerd something in kopete again..
10:38.11gregjgrr
10:39.07WethrinHEh.
10:39.27WethrinOi Leeds. Why doesn't Java have a Complex number class?
10:39.40Leedsdunno... bloody fux0red transport system... and got a mate's birthday later in the day
10:39.48Wethrin(other than Real Mathematicians/Physicists don't use Java)
10:40.02WethrinCar
10:40.06LeedsWethrin: because it was designed by computer scientists who see complex numbers as just a sort of array? :-)
10:40.07gregjWethrin: because it is SUNish
10:40.25WethrinYes, but they're not just an array :)
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10:41.48Leedsyou're emitting a shower?  how... twisted
10:42.10gregjread qt docs ;]]
10:42.18gregjyou will know what emit does
10:42.23Leedsno, never
10:42.35Leedstry throwing a ShowerException?
10:42.40gregjjust type in your konqueror qt:emit ;]
10:42.50WethrinOnly if there's no water :)
10:42.56Wethrin(or no hot water)
10:43.02Leeds$ konqueror
10:43.02Leedsbash: konqueror: command not found
10:43.10WethrinI don't have a konqueror
10:43.19SIG_SHOWERyour linux instalation is not complete *g*
10:44.41WethrinGah. Bloody students.
10:44.51WethrinThere is a big demo march on the day of the London speech and will definitely
10:44.52Wethrinaffect transport. The aim of the march is to bring London to a standstill.
10:44.55LeedsWethrin: yes, gits aren't you?
10:44.56SIG_SHOWERself criticism ?
10:45.08WethrinI'm not demonstrating against fees.
10:45.16SIG_SHOWER(yey)
10:45.25SIG_SHOWER->
10:46.04LeedsWethrin: why not?
10:46.07WethrinThe only people who actually bother about it are semi-rich kids
10:46.26WethrinPoor students will get their fees paid for them by their LEA.
10:46.37WethrinI'm an MSc student. I have to pay anyway :)
10:48.14WethrinHolding the demonstration on the Saturday is only going to really annoy shoppers, and a few others.
10:48.33Leedsisn't it tomorrow?
10:48.41WethrinOh, yes.
10:48.47WethrinBut the rest of the point still stands.
10:48.58Leedsanyway, you're only a student because it's more fun than joining the real world, no?
10:49.07WethrinYesish
10:49.47WethrinIf they wanted the demonstration to have some effect, they should disrupt passage to Westminster.
10:50.01WethrinNot just annoy a few shoppers. Bloody students.
10:54.40WethrinHeh.
10:58.54Leedsmorning Huhn
10:58.56WethrinHi
10:58.57Huhnmoin
10:59.53WethrinLeeds: Watchign on Tivo?
11:00.03LeedsWethrin: what else?
11:00.21WethrinSky?
11:00.42LeedsBBC
11:00.51Leedsalthough this mad Lord has been on before
11:01.24WethrinYou could be watching it on a digital channel, rather than standard terrestrial.
11:11.00WethrinSIG_SEGV
11:11.10LeedsI am... BBC1 on Sky :-)
11:11.46gregjlord is my sheppard
11:12.06gregjhe won't let me SIG_SEGV for my sins
11:12.55gregjas long as i'll repair all my exceptions in catch(){..}
11:13.44Wethrin:)
11:19.10murblebut catch a SIG_KILL and you'll meet your lord.
11:20.03gregjtrue indeed
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12:01.44gregjzachary: Hi
12:02.20zacharyhey gregj: did you get my email?
12:02.40gregjwhich one ?
12:02.56zacharysent a few minutes ago.
12:03.08gregjgot it
12:03.10gregjthanks
12:03.20gregji'll be there to help if needed
12:03.57zacharyok, how things?
12:07.08gregjnot too bad
12:07.27gregjgot some job
12:08.29zacharygood, doing?
12:09.03gregjsysadm
12:19.19WethrinHi
12:20.34zacharyhey Wethrin
12:21.08WethrinFloating point numbers suck
12:21.19gregjhehe
12:21.29WethrinMore specifically, floating point arithmetic
12:21.59Wethrinif c=(4+8i) and d=(2+2i), then c/d = (3+i)
12:22.03WethrinBut what it gives is
12:22.09Wethrin2.999999999999999+0.9999999999999998i
12:22.43gregjhehe
12:24.24WethrinSilly computers
12:24.58WethrinAny ideas how to get a slightly more accurate result?
12:25.56gregjround ?
12:26.02zacharyWethrin: Subroutine that rounds to sig figs
12:26.42gregjWethrin: beside that doing float==float is silly
12:26.54Wethringregj: Hm?
12:27.13gregjWethrin: moment, i have to dig out few headers
12:27.18WethrinIs there a nice Java method that rounds to x sig figs?
12:28.18WethrinOr is there a formatted print statement akin to printf?
12:28.57gregjyou cannot compare floats or compare them to 0 on computers
12:29.15WethrinI'm not comparing floats.
12:29.29gregji don't know how about java, but you cannot do this in either assembler or C
12:29.47WethrinAnyway, it's up to the compiler to generate the correct machine code to compare float(a)==float(b)
12:31.00WethrinI thought it worked in C if you had: float a; float b; if (a==b) { ... };
12:31.52gregjit should
12:32.01gregjas long as you don't have any rounds
12:32.12WethrinI haven't been rounding anything
12:32.16WethrinHence I get the errors :)
12:33.04gregjthe same with comparing to 0
12:33.11gregji cannot find float.h on my computer
12:33.30gregjbut there is a constant to which you have to compare, instead of float==0
12:33.38Wethrin0.0? :)
12:33.44gregjnope
12:33.52gregjthere is no 0.0 on FPU
12:34.07WethrinDigital computers are shit, then
12:34.20gregjsometimes :]
12:34.43gregji've spend a lot figuring out how to write things using FPU in assembler, and i share your view completly
12:36.27WethrinI'm not even dealing with particularly complicated floating point numbers
12:36.32Wethrin4.0, 8.0 and 2.0
12:36.52gregjyou have to round
12:38.22WethrinHow would you round to the 18th decimal place?
12:39.01WethrinMultiplying by 10^18, rounding to integer, and then dividing by 10^18 isn't really wonderful
12:40.49gregjtrue
12:40.52gregji am not java master
12:40.58gregji know java just a bit
12:44.20gregji think we should talk about it in pub today :]
12:44.35WethrinTomorrow?
12:45.29gregjoh yes, tommorow there is unofficial meeting :]
12:45.35Wethrinyep
12:47.31highburyanybody run BitTorrent in headless mode?
12:53.25WethrinNope, sorry.
12:58.37WethrinRight. I have the following methods on a cartesian complex number: add, subtract, multiply, divide, modulus, argument, conjugate, and convert to Polar
12:58.51WethrinAre there any more common operations?
13:17.19murblehighbury: yep
13:21.04WethrinRight. I ought to go walk the dog. Back in an hour or so
13:24.49WethrinHm. Actually more than an hour, because I promised someone I'd fix their computer. Grr.
13:25.41murbleyou need the t-shirt, no i will not fix your computer.
13:25.45murblejust incase you accidently offer to.
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14:58.21formihiya
15:07.36murblelo
15:07.54formitell me
15:08.37murblewhat do you wish to know?
15:08.50formihave you ever seen bind not allowing nslookup from localhost and allowing for the rest?
15:09.36formiof the network
15:09.37murbleyou could cause it to be like that using bind acls or maybe it isn't even binding to localhost?
15:10.06murblee.g. with listen-on { }; not including localhost
15:10.16formiit is binding to the 3 ips, 127.0.0.1, internal and external
15:10.36murbledo you have more than one copy of bind running?
15:10.47formii solved it adding the external ip to the acl
15:10.56formino, just one
15:11.12murbleit is normally worth stopping it and making sure it really isn't running, then starting it again.
15:13.33formioptions {
15:13.33formi<PROTECTED>
15:13.33formi<PROTECTED>
15:13.33formi<PROTECTED>
15:13.33formi<PROTECTED>
15:13.34formi};
15:14.29formiwhen the problem was happening only internal was listed in allow-recursion, 192.168.4.0/24
15:15.25formithen i added 127.0.0.1 as local, but no change, and then i added the external ip and now it works
15:15.33JDhi all
15:15.41formi'lo
15:16.34murbleformi: so for some reason when you do an nslookup to localhost it is binding to an external interface ip?
15:16.44murbledoes dig behave differently?
15:17.05murblenslookup tends to be a bit crap, especally when you're having dns problems.
15:17.22formidig just reports no ip and the list of the root servers
15:17.56murbledig @127.0.0.1 somthingotherother?
15:18.08formisame thing
15:18.18murbleformi: you'll be confused if you have allow-recursion, but don't restrict query
15:18.37murbleonce bind knows an answer it will give it to clients that are not in allow-recursion
15:18.37formiwhat do you mean?
15:19.00murblebind will give out answers to stuff that it knows
15:19.07murbleeven if you are not in allow-recursion.
15:19.29formilet me test it
15:19.33murbleso say you look up www.google.com it will probably know the answer already and tell anyone unless you lock down allow-query
15:20.08formiyeah it does
15:20.54formithe previous issue could be because in /etc/resolv.conf I have listed the external ip address
15:25.33formiok, i changed the external ip in resolv.conf for 127.0.0.1, and the same in the acl
15:26.30forminow it resolves locally but it doesn't allow recursive queries from external ips
15:36.20JDLeeds: isn;t that a bit uncomfortable?
15:36.44Leedsa little
15:40.58Leedsall the extremely boring details of family/friends' lives
15:47.45formi192.168.4.63,1416     192.117.152.14,80     tcp     ESTABLISHED   90:59:07
15:48.12JDis that a time in the last column?
15:48.14formiis this normal to have 90+ hours as TTL
15:48.38JDer it is certainly "different"
15:48.54formifunny thing is that machine left the office about 24 hours ago
15:53.11forminet.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_intvl = 75
15:53.11forminet.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes = 9
15:53.11forminet.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 1800
15:53.30formiwhat is the 1st one for?
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16:07.50Leedsbloody hell that was a 2 hour phone call...
16:08.50formimy record stands at about 5 hours
16:09.06Xiaoqionly 5?
16:09.12Xiaoqii think i managed 7 once...
16:09.22formiwell it was to madrid
16:09.49Xiaoqiah
16:09.54Xiaoqiyou win!
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17:03.02LeedsSMAC is still a very very good game
17:03.30eye69*bored*
17:03.39eye69Just finished Max Payne 2
17:24.09WethrinHeh
17:24.35WethrinBroken hardware sucks.
17:24.44WethrinIntermittently breaking hardware sucks too.
17:29.12Leedsthat's worse
17:29.34Leedsif it's broken, you can fix or dump...
17:30.04WethrinI'm going to get a new hard drive for them.
17:30.16WethrinIf that doesn't work, then it's likely that the IDE controller is shafted
17:30.23WethrinWhich tends to imply a motherboard replacement
17:30.53Leedsyeah :-(
17:31.19WethrinIt's a 633MHz Celery, but they're quite happy with it
17:32.07Leedshard to replace that
17:35.10WethrinEven getting a cheap mobo+CPU would be around £150
17:35.17Wethrin(at least for any vaguely sane hardware)
17:37.44Leedsdunno about that
17:37.56WethrinI don't look at PeeCee prices
17:37.58stephenget a PCI-based IDE controller?
17:38.16Leedslow-end Althon (or Duron) and decent board would be less than 100 quid - maybe need new RAM and stuff as well :-(
17:38.26WethrinLeeds: Does that include CPU?
17:38.32LeedsWethrin: sure
17:38.37WethrinThat's not bad, then
17:39.14LeedsAthlon XP 1800+ (1.53GHz) including fan/heatsink for 45 quid
17:39.46LeedsAsus m/b 41 quid
17:40.38Leedsand that's nforce, so it's got half-decent video, network, sound, onboard
17:41.29Leedsthat's inc VAT, excluding p&p
17:41.48murbleI'm after a new mobo for one that died that'll take old proccesor+ram etc, found dabs selling one, ordered it and have heard nothing for a week despite them claiming to have 11 in stock :(
17:42.38WethrinI've never had a problem with Dabs. Well, once, when they delivered to home instead of Uni. But I did get it when I went home
17:43.02LeedsI've had varied experiences with them
17:44.09Leedsibot change 66.10 gbp to euro
18:04.47WethrinGah. I need to be more organised
18:04.51WethrinI've lost a card wallet
18:04.58Wethrin(which didn't have cards in it)
18:05.15WethrinAnd Natwest appears to have failed to send me a new credit card
18:06.37cupisWethrin: maybe they sent it to your branch and are waiting for you to collect it?
18:07.02WethrinThey've always sent stuff to my home before
18:07.25WethrinAnd the no-one's alerted me that there is a card waiting for me
18:07.42cupishave there been any transactions on it?
18:08.11WethrinI don't know yet. The credit card bill should arrive RSN
18:08.28WethrinAnd the new card (if they sent it) would only have been valid from the start of this month
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19:38.06CopeHello!
19:38.29CopeOooh... 26th Octovver - is that tomorrow evening?
19:39.16WethrinNo. It's tomorrow all day.
19:39.43Copeoooh
19:40.52WethrinBut the talk is at 2.30
19:41.08WethrinIt's the 26th of October from midnight until 11.59:59
19:41.47cupisWethrin: it's the 26th from 01:00 to 23:59:59
19:42.01cupis?
19:42.19cupishmm, thinking about it, maybe not. From 00:00 to 23:59:59, which is 25 hours.
19:43.30CopeHow long is it likely to last?
19:46.26zacharyActually DST starts at 2am.
19:46.36WethrinIt's GMT
19:46.44WethrinDST would have been in the spring
19:47.07zacharyok, ends at 2am.
19:47.11zachary:-)
19:47.14Wethrin:)
19:47.37zacharywaz up dan
19:47.40WethrinI think that's a good excuseas any  for a drink tomorrow
19:48.05WethrinNowt much. Was playing with Java, writing a complex number class.
19:48.18WethrinAnd noticing that floating point arithmetic is very crap
19:49.07zacharyYea, saw earlier.
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19:57.28CopeHello again
19:57.52WethrinHello again.
19:58.05WethrinThe talk is likely to last until people stop asking questions :)
19:59.29zacharywb Cope
19:59.33CopeThanks zach!
19:59.38CopeIs RMS a good speaker?
19:59.41WethrinYes
20:01.06WethrinYou'd be best off asking her, rather than asking us
20:01.47murblehe tends to say the same thing to the word.
20:02.11CopeDoes he say what he writes?
20:02.12zacharyThe lecture will not go much past 5pm.
20:03.54Wethrinmurble: So it'll be the same as at FOSDEM, then?/
20:04.48murbledid he speak about software patents then?
20:05.02WethrinI think so, yes.
20:05.13Huhnyes, he did, and he took off his shoes ;)
20:05.29murbleyou can probably get the words from http://www.fsf.org
20:05.29Huhn(which wasn't very nice for ppl in the first row)
20:05.59murbleso rember everyone sit at the back!
20:06.10WethrinHuhn: Did he smell that badly?
20:06.32HuhnWethrin: I was trying to take pictures.. I don't want to answer the question ;)
20:06.33murbleWethrin: didn't you hear the Lonix talk from the head of FSF jp?
20:06.44Wethrinmurble: Nope
20:07.05murbleoh it was about how he only ever stayed with people 1 or 2 nights in japan before their wifes had him move on..
20:07.27murblebut at said place his wife asked him to take a shower and he stayed longer...
20:07.37murbles/said/wife of head of fsf jp/
20:07.37Leedslots of fireworks outside...
20:07.46JDLeeds: small children?
20:07.58murblediwali(sp?)
20:08.06Leedsmurble: I think so
20:08.09CopeLeeds: Hello. Yes; I can hear/see them too.
20:08.34Leedshey all :-)
20:08.46CopeWoo Leeds :o)
20:08.59highburyleeds do you use non-gui bittorrent?
20:09.11Leedshighbury: sure... the curses client, usually
20:09.39CopeLikewise.
20:10.05WethrinYes, it's Diwali
20:10.32highburyI get failure message "extmode GUI initialization failed, cannot proceed.
20:10.32highburyThis download interface requires the standard Python module "curses", which is unfortunately not available for the native Windows port of Python. It is however available for the Cygwin port of Python, running on all Win32 systems (www.cygwin.com).
20:10.33highburyYou may still use "btdownloadheadless.py" to download.
20:10.35highburyTraceback (most recent call last):
20:10.37highbury<PROTECTED>
20:10.39highbury<PROTECTED>
20:10.41highburyNameError: global name 'scrwin' is not defined
20:10.43highbury"
20:11.23Leedsah, so you can't use the curses client
20:11.46zacharyhighbury: Is your e-mail back up?
20:13.04highburyzachary: should be once I've rebooted to repartition, so later on tonight
20:14.15murbleurgle, i've got to make a CV
20:14.28WethrinUrg. So do I. Silly university things.
20:14.44murbleso entirly different kinds of CV then.
20:15.02murbleare people having beer after rms tomorrow?
20:15.10murble(not at the green man)
20:15.25WethrinYes, and I'm not sure, it depends where everyone else goes
20:15.35murblemaybe they need guidance.
20:15.44WethrinWe went to a different pub last week for a mini-Gllug. And it wasn't as good
20:15.54Leedshighbury: which Python are you using from where?
20:17.26WethrinGreen Man has the advantage that it's quite large and close to Westminster Uni.
20:17.40murblepity about the beer then really.
20:18.08WethrinI quite like the beer there. i.e. they have stuff I like
20:18.44WethrinYou could always ask them for other beer
20:18.58murbleand them having non working creditcard machines
20:19.06WethrinAlways worked for me
20:19.13murbleWethrin: it is more them not careing about the beer.
20:19.14Wethrindo you break them?
20:19.26murblethey were broken the time before last that iw as in there.
20:19.47WethrinHm. Well, I'm going to go where everyone else goes.
20:21.41LeedsI'm not
20:21.58WethrinYou're going to be elsewhere tomorrow?
20:22.08Leedsat least in the evening, yes
20:22.25WethrinWill you be at the talk, then, or still not sure?
20:22.31Leedsdunno
20:24.19Leedshmm... Matrix 3 advery
20:25.08WethrinMatrix 3 is being prebooked at The Empire
20:25.54WethrinIs it worth organising a #gllug Matrix-watching?
20:26.25Leedsquite possibly :-)
20:27.00highburylast two times I've been at the green man they had "run out of bitter"!!!
20:27.29murblemy machine is being bombarded with worm infected emails, 500mb worth today :(
20:27.43Wethrinmurble: :(
20:27.45murblethat is by smtp
20:27.47highburythe advantage is that it has space, cos it doesn't get many customers for its size,
20:27.59murblenot worm traffic, but i don't suppose normal traffic is that large amount
20:28.03Leedshighbury: which Python are you using from where?
20:28.05murblesince it is normally 10mb a day
20:28.14highburyI saw Matrix 2 on IMAX ... cool!
20:28.19Wethrinhighbury: You should have turned up to the last few Gllug meets then :)
20:28.23WethrinThey had bitter.
20:28.27Wethrinhighbury: Nice.
20:28.44highburyleeds, I just found out that I hadn't the python-curses module loaded, I'm just trying agaon
20:29.08WethrinSo.....IMAX viewing, or digital screen viewing, or boring cinema viewing?
20:29.25Huhnis there an IMAX version of Matrix 3?=
20:29.33WethrinProlly
20:29.45HuhnI've seen the reloaded in IMAX, very cool
20:29.56WethrinBut reloaded sucked
20:30.16Huhnthe story sucked, but the stunts/races etc. were great
20:30.33highburyit was disappointing, it could have been better, but was still not bad
20:30.53Huhnyep, I wasn't expecting anything and had a good time
20:30.57highburyfight scenes, and wordy bits were a bit long
20:31.43murblehow many have there been?
20:31.43highburyand the dance at Babylon scene, seemed pointless filler
20:31.54murbleI think i just saw the first one, and fell asleep during it anyway.
20:32.22highburyLeeds: its all working now, curses.gui that is
20:32.29Leedshighbury: good :-)
20:32.57murbletis much nicer to bt to place with bandwidth then rsync down.
20:33.14murblesince bt tends to max stuff out and make interactive stuff poor.
20:33.35WethrinWell, the first Matrix was okay, but I still wouldn't buy the DVD.
20:33.38Huhnmurble: I contacted the Gasthäusl today btw
20:33.57murbleHuhn: was pete there still?
20:34.00Huhnmurble: asking them if they would cope with more geeks next year
20:34.18Huhnmurble: I sent an email, but the website still says that it's owned by Peter and his family, yes
20:34.26murblecool.
20:34.30Leedsmurble: I use the max_upload option set to slightly below my upload b/w - I've got plenty of download b/w
20:35.00murbleLeeds: I foundyeah that the maxed out upload wasn't nice.
20:35.12murblemuch nicer to use someones nice fast connection, the rsync though
20:39.08Leedsstoke me a clipper
20:39.26WethrinYou'll be back for Christmas?
20:39.34murblewill your data?
20:41.01WethrinDepends on the hard drive :)
20:45.01highburyLeeds: I'm continually getting the message from BitTorrent "Problem connecting to tracker - (111, 'Connection refused')"
20:45.29WethrinDoes th name of the tracker resolve to 127.0.0.1?
20:45.41Leedshighbury: probably means it's either down or overloaded
20:49.18highburygotta rebeoot back later
20:49.23Leedsseeya
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21:11.27WethrinJerry Springer?
21:11.38LeedsDusk Til Dawn :-)
21:11.52Wethrinah
21:11.57eye69That's a nice one.
21:12.08eye69Many good quotes. :)
21:12.37Leedsindeed
21:12.49murblecool.
21:12.51eye69Meanwhile I am boring myself to death
21:13.45WethrinI'm watching Dilbert
21:23.36WethrinMmm.....bed. Maybe I should drag laptop into it
21:28.39JDWethrin: you know you can't have sex with a laptop
21:28.52WethrinBut it's a very sexy laptop
21:28.55murbleJD: bed irc, better than sex!
21:29.11WethrinWell, more easily available currently
21:29.15JDmurble: I am sitting on my bed
21:29.36murbleI'm sitting in cold room,a nd have cold feet.
21:29.41JDWethrin: I'm sure that it would be fairly easy for you to get some sex
21:30.01WethrinJD: Well, first I'd need to get a nice girl
21:30.09murbleisn't beconsfield a bit posh for that?
21:30.13JDWethrin: why is that a requirement
21:30.21Wethrin"We're from Beaconsfield. We don't have sex"
21:30.45WethrinJD: Because I don't want to sleep with just any random slut?
21:31.14murbles/any/other/ # ?
21:31.26murbleor is that cruel?
21:31.40JDmurble: you mean another
21:31.54murbleJD: that would be even worse.
21:32.11WethrinIndeed
21:33.00WethrinJD: Really it'd be just as easy for you as for, um, anyone else from Gllug
21:33.13Wethrin(anyone else single)
21:33.20JDWethrin: possibly easier than most
21:33.30JDWethrin: I don't think that would be much of a barrier
21:34.02WethrinHeh.
21:34.14WethrinI wasn't talking about it as a barrier
21:34.15JDargh blade 2 or HIGNFY
21:34.22WethrinMerely ease of getting any
21:34.27WethrinHIGNFY.
21:35.59murblethat was on yesterday
21:36.08JDthat assumed !single people have sex on tap
21:36.22JDwhich isn;t entirely true
21:36.27JDas you well know
21:36.33JDmartin clunes
21:38.12WethrinJD: Well, that's just getting into pedantry
21:39.45WethrinHow long would it take you to get to Sudbury?
21:40.48JDabout 2 hours
21:40.55JDI'm sure I could odo better
21:41.12WethrinWithout paying? ;-)
21:41.19JDyes
21:41.38JDin both time and quality
21:41.48WethrinDo you have anyone closer by, then?
21:42.13JDthe ex
21:42.34WethrinWell, if she's willing...
21:42.39murbleso go via the ex
21:43.45JDbut I'm not the one wanting sex
21:43.58murbleoh so Wethrin has to go via his ex
21:44.06JDor mine?
21:44.17WethrinDid I say something about wanting it?
21:44.40WethrinI merely said that BedIRC was more available currently
21:44.42murbleno, but your laptop did
21:44.57WethrinNo, JD wanted my laptop to
21:45.05JDwell you are the one trying to shag your powerbook
21:45.12WethrinNo I'm not
21:45.24murbledoes it have a pcmcia slot?
21:45.26WethrinI merely said it's a sexy laptop.
21:45.31WethrinYes, it does.
21:45.32JDmurble: CF?
21:45.39murbledoes it have irda?
21:45.42WethrinNo
21:45.45JD4pin Firewire?
21:45.45eye69Bluetooth?
21:45.52murbleJD: what are you saying about Wethrin ?
21:45.54WethrinFirewire yes. Bluetooth no.
21:46.07JDmurble: the same as you, but more insulting
21:46.16Wethrinthis laptop is > 1 year old, so no BT
21:46.36murbleJD: we no laptops take floppy disks now days do they?
21:46.40WethrinJD: Are you coming tomorrow?
21:46.51JDWethrin: depends if I go see the ex
21:47.19WethrinFair enough. murble?
21:47.21JDmurble: I think we can just go the full way and ask if it has a headphone socket
21:48.37JDdo we get more or less sleep tonight?
21:48.41WethrinMore.
21:48.44JDw00t
21:49.22WethrinYep
21:56.57murbleJD: cdrom eject whole?
21:57.22zacharyPeople with children do not.
21:57.31JDmurble: I didn't think powerbooks had one
21:59.36WethrinThey don't
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22:37.41zacharyLeeds: Upgrade to T3 or OC!
22:37.57Leedsthinking more of a software solution :-)
22:39.05zacharyLeeds: Nothing like smoking on a fat pipe :-)
22:39.06Leedsthe ADSL itself seems pretty stable... but the PPP drops occasionally
22:39.39WethrinIt's missing methods to raise to n'th power, and take the n'the square root
22:41.38Leedsnth power is easy, surely?
22:41.49murbleWethrin: why?
22:41.53WethrinVery easy in polar co-ordinated
22:41.56Wethrin*ordinates
22:42.07WethrinMildly less easy in cartesians
22:44.18JDC++ or java?
22:44.40WethrinIn fact, with Cartesians you'd have to expand it as a polynomial, which is evil
22:44.42Leedshow the fuck did Mandrake release a distro which kills LG CD-ROM drives???
22:44.42WethrinJD: JAva
22:45.14Leedsthat's really scary
22:45.19WethrinKill?
22:46.18Leedskill dead, apparently
22:48.05WethrinA permanent afflication?
22:48.33Leedsyes
22:48.52WethrinOops
22:49.03Leedsyes
22:49.04WethrinPermanent as in, run Mandrake, bin CD drive?
22:49.41Leedsyes
22:49.44Leedsapparently
22:49.52WethrinVery oops
22:49.59Leedsit's something to do with packet-writing support or sending a command to flush the cache or something
22:50.09Leedsand apparently a lot of Dells have OEMed LG drives
22:53.35WethrinD'oh
22:54.33zacharyg'night
22:54.40Leedsnight
22:57.14WethrinMissed
22:58.13Leedsyeah
22:59.47Leedsheh - sunlight + disco ball = many dead vamps
22:59.59WethrinHeh
23:07.11Wethrinw00t
23:07.20WethrinAdded a power function
23:07.31WethrinShould work for any power (including -ve and fraction)
23:10.15Leedscomplex powers?
23:13.23LeedsSwedish - that explains a lot
23:15.47WethrinUrgh. no. Haven't done a routine to take one complex number to the power of another one
23:15.53WethrinI'm sticking with real powers
23:16.14Leedsmy TiVo is confused about me
23:16.36Leedsit's recording Dukes of Hazzard because it thinks I'll like it :-)
23:16.48WethrinIf I ever come across an occasion where I need to raise to a complex power, I'll write a method for it
23:16.54Leedssure - I'm not saying complex powers make sense - just for the sake of completeness :-)
23:17.00WethrinDon't you like Dukes of Hazzard?
23:17.27WethrinI don't think that it makes mathematical sense to raise to a complex power
23:17.44Leedsit's not so much if I like it or not... just that my TiVo is suggesting it, seems strange
23:17.49WethrinAh
23:33.29WethrinFun
23:35.07Leedsit's sort of an anti-gang thing - alternative to sports or gangs
23:35.51WethrinAh
23:36.03WethrinApache is giving me gried
23:36.19WethrinSaid Permission Denied in one directory (which does contain an index.html)
23:36.29LeedsI generally get along with it, but I don't do complex stuff
23:37.00WethrinThis isn't complex :)
23:38.01Leedscan you go to index.html directly?
23:38.56WethrinAh. It doesn't like having a directory called /doc
23:39.13Leedsclashing with an existing definition?
23:39.44murbleWethrin: yeah the alias in main config?
23:41.00WethrinYes.
23:41.10WethrinWhich I've now changed to /localdoc, rather than /doc
23:41.28WethrinRight. That works.
23:41.39WethrinSilly thing. *mutter*
23:45.18murbleon a 486 blue lightning
23:45.28WethrinReturn tomorrow
23:46.25murbleand find it run out of disk space?
23:46.40WethrinYes
23:47.11murbleI'm at -20Mb
23:47.31murbletime for rm -rf /usr/ports/ i think
23:50.04WethrinThat'll take some time
23:50.15WethrinSleep, I think
23:53.19WethrinSee you tomorrow, maybe
23:53.27gregjnot maybe
23:54.27murblewhat time is tomorrow?
23:54.33murblegregj: you're not coming tomorrow?
23:54.54Wethrin2.30pm start
23:55.24murblea that is quite early for me.
23:55.26WethrinI'll take train at 1323 (leaves Wycombe at 1317), which will arrive in Marylebone at 1354
23:55.35murbleassuming I don't get a travel card.
23:55.45murblewhich i'm going to stop doing, except when going south of the river.
23:56.02WethrinYou'd walk, then?
23:57.02WethrinWell, give me a call if you're going to be on that train
23:57.07gregjWethrin: remember about two things, there are going to be loads of ppl to see RMS, and remember about those demonstrations (bloody students..)
23:57.29WethrinYes. Should be okay, hopefully
23:57.33murbleWethrin: I cna't call people anymore...
23:57.38murblewhen mobile anyway
23:57.46WethrinNot from your BT phone either?
23:57.58WethrinErr, sorry, O2.
23:58.12murblehmm, i'm not sure that it has credit, or your number.
23:58.45Wethrin07973 623883
23:59.03gregjWethrin: so came earlier
23:59.13gregji will aim for 12:00
23:59.28WethrinToo early. I need to take the dog for a decently long walk

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