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04:02.47 | Clyphox | "how are you gentlemen" |
07:14.27 | eye69 | Morning |
07:50.01 | Clyphox | morning |
07:50.48 | eye69 | *yawn* |
07:50.54 | eye69 | It looks cold outside :/ |
07:53.04 | Clyphox | it is indeed |
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10:11.18 | murble | moin |
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10:56.11 | Tarragon | After 187 days uptime I finally melted a PSU. Is there a simple formula of working out the Wattage needed for a box. The problem is usually running three CD drives and a couple of HDs? |
11:04.01 | murble | Tarragon: had the fan in the PSU died frist? |
11:04.07 | murble | s/frist/first/ |
11:04.21 | murble | Tarragon: there was an article on tomshardware about that. |
11:04.40 | murble | and about how lots of cheap PSUs are not very good to the point of lying about their capabilities. |
11:12.42 | Tarragon | Yes the fan died and within 30s the machine shut down. I took out the PSU and it was too hot to touch |
11:14.34 | Tarragon | I can only assume I am very dusty as this is the third PSU that I have killed. The dust is visible on the fan blades although admittedly not that much. |
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11:26.26 | murble | did the fan seize? |
11:36.34 | zachary | Scott Meuller's "Ugrading and Repairing PC's" has some factors to consider and metrics used. |
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12:40.06 | formi | hi! |
12:41.01 | formi | I've got a tricky question |
12:41.26 | nasrat | formi: what have you got in your pockets? |
12:41.58 | formi | I've got a machine doing nat, could be possible to tunnel through ssh/ssl all connections from the clients to a specific ip and port? |
12:43.06 | nasrat | formi: ssh does support socks proxy tunnel - but you'd need a socks proxy |
12:43.51 | Leeds | openssh 3+ (I think) has a built-in socks server for tunnelling - works pretty well |
12:43.59 | formi | im thinking of pop3, and eventually ftp, even though ftp seems trickier |
12:44.06 | nasrat | Leeds: you using ssh -D |
12:44.23 | Leeds | nasrat: not right now, but yes, that's what I meant |
12:45.36 | Leeds | formi: pop tunnelled over ssh should be trivial... ftp is harder |
12:47.12 | formi | i mean without client configuration |
12:48.30 | Leeds | well you'd have to configure the tunnel somewhere |
12:48.31 | nasrat | formi: you could do a redirect to your socks server |
12:49.12 | formi | the tricky bit I suppose is that I ONLY want connections to 1 ip being tunneled |
12:50.06 | nasrat | formi: mark the packets based on dst and redirect based on the mark |
12:50.48 | nasrat | though it's been a while since I had to use iptables/iproute2 in anger |
12:52.38 | Leeds | add a static route? |
12:52.58 | formi | i avoid writing rules by hand, using arno's firewall at the moment |
12:54.41 | formi | # TCP/UDP form : "{SRCIP1,SRCIP2,...:}PORT1,PORT2-PORT3,...>DESTIP1{:port} {SRCIP3,...:}PORT3,...>DESTIP2:port}" |
12:55.45 | murble | formi: how do you specify things like I want that ot have been an established connection and i want traffic to enter via ep2 and exif via fxp0 ? |
12:56.40 | formi | no bloody idea |
12:58.48 | formi | appart, I do not have 2 external nics |
13:19.16 | JD | hi |
13:49.46 | gregj | hi |
13:53.25 | formi | hi |
13:53.46 | formi | now that is what I call "inventiveness" |
14:03.25 | Leeds | hi |
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14:04.17 | Clyphox | Hola |
14:05.21 | formi | boas |
14:06.31 | Clyphox | howzit |
14:07.40 | formi | chevere? |
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15:37.14 | Clyphox | Yay netsplit |
15:37.18 | formi | ECN, is it worth enabling? |
15:38.20 | Clyphox | not imo |
15:39.04 | formi | i suppose it needs to enabled down the network to be of any use |
15:40.34 | Clyphox | yup from what I have seen all it does is confuse poor debian users |
15:41.11 | Leeds | Clyphox: and that's not a hard thing to do |
15:41.12 | formi | who cares about di-bian users? |
15:41.59 | formi | probably because they spend too long flamming away and having pointless discussions |
15:42.20 | Clyphox | I'll refrain from commenting |
15:48.30 | murble | Clyphox: what does debian have to do with ECN? |
15:49.16 | JD | ECN is disabled by default on recent kernels aiui |
15:49.35 | JD | parguild020 david% cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
15:49.36 | JD | 0 |
15:51.01 | murble | ed /etc/sysctl.conf |
16:07.51 | JD | grrrr |
16:07.53 | JD | @hourly root /etc/init.d/fetchmail restart |
16:08.54 | Clyphox | murble: nothing. its just that I've had to help alot of debian users who can't see websites cause for some reason debian had ECN enabled |
16:10.37 | JD | nope isn;t enabled on woody or sid |
16:10.56 | JD | I can check on sarge if you want |
16:21.28 | Leeds | wel... |
16:21.38 | Leeds | it doesn't say Microsoft, but maybe we're having an effect... |
16:21.40 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3220887.stm |
17:47.38 | JD | I love you (Im not a virus!) |
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18:20.24 | Leeds | lots of httpd in D state :-( started a reboot, realised tech support at hosting center had gone home for the day and if it didn't come up it would be stuck until the morning, cancelled the reboot and that seems to have cleared it... |
18:23.23 | Clyphox | know any nice php gallery apps? |
18:24.17 | Clyphox | theres too damn many |
18:26.49 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
18:38.05 | Leeds | gallery? :-) |
18:39.34 | Clyphox | Leeds: cheeky monkey |
18:39.50 | Leeds | no, no |
18:39.56 | Leeds | there is one called gallery which I've used |
18:40.03 | Clyphox | I know |
18:40.13 | Clyphox | I used to work with it in one of my jobs |
18:42.27 | Clyphox | Leeds: could you do me a quick favour? |
18:42.33 | Leeds | probably not.... |
18:42.48 | Clyphox | lol |
18:42.56 | Clyphox | I just need someone test my FTP server? Just need to be sure |
18:49.15 | Leeds | go on then, quickly |
18:49.53 | Clyphox | nm |
18:50.15 | gregj | anyone setup digest auth with apache here ? |
18:50.20 | gregj | i got few problems |
18:50.48 | Clyphox | not me sorry. |
18:51.37 | Leeds | no idea |
18:55.35 | gregj | oh |
18:55.35 | gregj | my mistake |
18:55.35 | gregj | i told him to load mod_digest instead of mod_auth_digest ;] |
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19:00.53 | pawelsz | gregj: :-) |
19:01.04 | Leeds | ah! the Poles are coming! |
19:01.14 | gregj | :] |
19:01.26 | gregj | he is just my friend |
19:01.39 | pawelsz | Leeds: yeah, that's right, but only one. :-) |
19:01.40 | gregj | Leeds: no worries, you will expierence more after 1st of may 2004;] |
19:01.49 | gregj | PiLug |
19:02.03 | gregj | (poles In London, linux user group) |
19:02.35 | Clyphox | I might go along to have a look heh |
19:02.53 | pawelsz | :-S |
19:03.35 | gregj | pawelsz: irssi can held two server connections at the same time, you don't have to drop sesion on ircnet ;] |
19:03.50 | gregj | s/held/hold/ |
19:04.21 | pawelsz | gregj: i know, but I want to lose connection to ircnet, I need more time now, I don't want to speak with friends now. :-) |
19:04.46 | Clyphox | Hey WOW!! I just got this email!! it sais if I give them $300 I can copy a DVD onto a standard CD!!!!! |
19:04.52 | JD | gregj: I am currently attached to 6 servers |
19:05.03 | JD | Clyphox: where where sign me up |
19:05.22 | eye69 | Clyphox: Whoa! Give me! |
19:05.25 | eye69 | Evening :) |
19:05.30 | Clyphox | evenin :-) |
19:05.31 | pawelsz | Clyphox: layer! ;-) |
19:05.37 | Clyphox | Leeds: mencoder you mean? |
19:05.48 | Leeds | Clyphox: same thing :-) |
19:06.01 | eye69 | pawelsz: layer? |
19:06.21 | Leeds | liar? |
19:06.22 | Clyphox | mencoder has only once let me down.. :-) |
19:06.25 | gregj | JD: ? |
19:06.33 | eye69 | Leeds: Yes, I think that's what he meant. |
19:06.34 | gregj | JD: phisicaly ? :> |
19:07.06 | gregj | JD: or is it just addiction |
19:07.09 | pawelsz | eye69: sorry, I tkink about lair, my english. ugh. |
19:07.34 | eye69 | Yup, ugh. |
19:07.35 | JD | gregj: pretty much addiction |
19:07.41 | gregj | ;] |
19:10.48 | pawelsz | eye69: nobody perfect, I don't have much experience with speaking, but I still work to correct this. |
19:11.19 | eye69 | pawelsz: I'm sorry if I offended you. |
19:11.49 | eye69 | I to have a lot to learn about english. |
19:11.51 | eye69 | Clyphox: Bah. |
19:11.55 | eye69 | too |
19:11.55 | JD | eye69: I tried that with gregj the other day |
19:12.03 | Clyphox | don't we all |
19:12.15 | pawelsz | eye69: no, u dont. :-) |
19:12.21 | Clyphox | I think its been said that English is the easiest language to learn but the hardest to master |
19:12.37 | JD | much like C++ |
19:12.50 | eye69 | pawelsz: Yes, I do. I'm not a native english speaker. |
19:13.52 | eye69 | Haven't been in the UK for that long either...justabout 18 months. |
19:14.37 | gregj | JD: where do you have those servers ? inhouse ? |
19:14.41 | eye69 | Got an email about a job as an Enterprise Network Manager at F5 Networks today. |
19:15.40 | pawelsz | gregj: i can sent sth for u from /dev/urandom. :-p |
19:30.03 | JD | gregj: nope |
19:30.13 | JD | gregj: all on eht internet |
19:34.07 | Leeds | pawelsz: I should say that I knew what you meant, and it took me 3 tries to spell liar :-) |
19:34.40 | pawelsz | Leeds: :-) |
19:37.51 | pawelsz | brrr, really cold. somebody want hot coffee? :-) |
19:38.35 | gregj | eye69: it is quite late for pub now |
19:38.36 | Clyphox | could I have some hot chocolate? |
19:38.53 | eye69 | No, I want cold beer |
19:39.15 | Clyphox | water would be better.. last drink I had was on the 27th |
19:39.16 | eye69 | gregj: I'm not talking about London pub |
19:39.46 | gregj | JD: and what about them ? are you using them in debian project, or just for yourself ? |
19:41.07 | JD | gregj: one is OPN, one is OFTC, 2 are in cam.ac.uk, one is a colo in london and I don't know where the other one is |
19:42.57 | JD | gregj: I think you are confused |
19:43.06 | JD | gregj: I have irssi connected to 6 servers |
19:43.10 | gregj | oh |
19:43.10 | gregj | ;] |
19:43.29 | gregj | than indeed, i was confused |
19:44.04 | JD | :) |
19:46.37 | gregj | anyone knows how can i change password for account in postgresql ? |
19:49.39 | gregj | debian stable seems to have broken postgres instalation and init.d script |
19:49.51 | gregj | i have to correct things manualy |
19:52.51 | JD | I never understood postgresql |
19:54.57 | gregj | i do, and i like it |
19:56.03 | gregj | thus it is quite complicated |
19:56.08 | gregj | and mysql is much easier |
19:56.36 | gregj | but you have to bear in mind that postgres was written some years ago :-) |
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20:18.36 | gregj | henrik :] |
20:18.49 | irc | Hi Greg :) |
20:18.56 | Wethrin | Boom |
20:19.09 | irc | I'll post the pictures soon, just give me a minute. |
20:20.06 | gregj | fsck |
20:20.24 | gregj | even in debian unstable, libpqxx is 1.5, newest one is 1.9.1 |
20:24.57 | irc | ? |
20:25.10 | irc | Zach? |
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20:30.25 | gregj | ;] |
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20:38.33 | Wethrin | Heh |
20:38.47 | gregj | y |
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20:38.48 | gregj | ? |
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20:40.43 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
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20:40.56 | gregj | ) |
20:41.01 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Wethrin] by ChanServ |
20:41.17 | Wethrin | Thank you, whoever did that :) |
20:41.23 | JD | :) |
20:41.28 | *** mode/#gllug [-o Wethrin] by ChanServ |
20:41.28 | Wethrin | Yes, you. |
20:41.35 | Wethrin | Bah :) |
20:41.40 | gregj | trying to scare some ? |
20:41.48 | Wethrin | Err....no. |
20:42.08 | JD | Chanserv is cool |
20:42.16 | Wethrin | Yes |
20:42.25 | zachary | hey irc: howz it? |
20:42.35 | JD | Wethrin: it worked though |
20:42.42 | irc | Zach! Are the kids behaving? |
20:42.54 | Wethrin | Yes. |
20:43.41 | zachary | Well I just gave my daughter a piece of chocolate cake about 30 minutes ago. Now I'm trying to keep her from bouncing off of the walls. |
20:43.53 | irc | :-D |
20:44.01 | Wethrin | Get a room with padded walls. They sound like fun |
20:44.46 | zachary | She is. My son is the colic king, and can have cring spells for over an hour. |
20:45.02 | zachary | Which is testing my sanity |
20:45.40 | irc | How old are they? |
20:46.30 | zachary | daughter year and a half, son four weeks this thursday. |
20:46.43 | Wethrin | Mmm....Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto #1 |
20:46.56 | Wethrin | "...sublime" |
20:47.38 | irc | Zach, have you seen the Simpsons episode where Homer put springs on Maggie and bounces her :-) |
20:48.07 | zachary | yea, lol |
20:52.16 | irc | Dan, what are you up to other than a relaxing music session? |
20:53.17 | Wethrin | Umm.....was going to write some Java things. I've already pencilled them down, so should be quick to write into emacs |
20:53.50 | irc | Some small utilities? |
20:54.08 | Wethrin | Nah. Silly coding exercises for Uni |
20:54.20 | Wethrin | In fact, I need to make some modifications to my Complex numbers classes |
20:55.11 | irc | Which book do you use there? |
20:56.44 | Wethrin | Winder & Roberts |
20:57.00 | murble | I have a spare copy of that. |
20:57.09 | murble | a valuable first edition at that. |
20:57.35 | zachary | murble: I second the motion. |
20:57.45 | irc | Hmm... Why am I called irc? |
20:57.52 | Wethrin | Dunno |
20:57.58 | irc | How do I change it? |
20:58.24 | Wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
21:00.45 | morsing | I have also wondered where it gets my (incorrect) email address from |
21:02.15 | Wethrin | It's your ident and hostmask, not your email |
21:02.50 | morsing | Ok |
21:05.09 | morsing | Look at this: |
21:05.16 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
21:05.29 | morsing | A pity I'm moving soon :-) |
21:05.31 | Wethrin | What does the protected keyword mean in a Java method declaration? |
21:05.38 | Wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
21:05.40 | Wethrin | *thhpt* |
21:06.37 | morsing | Any higher? |
21:06.43 | Clyphox | Wethrin: it means that the method cant be overidden by a subclass that extends it |
21:07.12 | Wethrin | Ah. Not overridden. |
21:07.17 | Wethrin | It means that it's inherited |
21:07.44 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
21:08.09 | Wethrin | rsh butter.j-colo.net reboot |
21:08.16 | Leeds | that's not butter |
21:08.25 | Wethrin | I can't believe it's not |
21:08.31 | Clyphox | Wethrin: it can be inherited, just not changed |
21:08.32 | Leeds | and where the fsck do you know butter from? :-) |
21:08.43 | Wethrin | Your hostmask. |
21:08.47 | Wethrin | (sometimes) |
21:08.52 | Leeds | ah, sometimes, yes |
21:09.05 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
21:09.07 | Leeds | is butter |
21:09.16 | Wethrin | Is beryllium.eu.sun.com your machine, or a firewall? |
21:09.22 | Leeds | proxy |
21:09.25 | Wethrin | Ah. |
21:09.45 | Wethrin | Clyphox: Yah. Rather than private, which is not inheritable |
21:09.58 | Clyphox | *nod* |
21:13.59 | morsing | Dan, is it your own computer? (The 278 days one) |
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21:15.44 | DigitalOctopus | Evenin all |
21:15.47 | Clyphox | re |
21:16.08 | morsing | Evening |
21:16.19 | Leeds | hey octi |
21:16.21 | DigitalOctopus | could anyone tell me how to search the gllug archives using google... |
21:16.26 | DigitalOctopus | lo |
21:16.44 | Leeds | I'd just search with the word gllug in the search - usually does the job |
21:16.54 | DigitalOctopus | ohh... :-) |
21:17.01 | Wethrin | morsing: A colo |
21:17.14 | Wethrin | (well, rented) |
21:17.29 | Wethrin | Clyphox: the method is changeable |
21:17.54 | Wethrin | protected means that it /needs/ to be overridden |
21:19.20 | Clyphox | Wethrin: oh yeah its final that makes it unchangable |
21:21.05 | DigitalOctopus | Hopefully i have enough tokens to ask another question... Has anyone had any xp with or know of any transaction/shopping cart/take payment type software/service...? |
21:22.00 | Leeds | I ported someone's/wrote my own code to deal with payments against worldpay |
21:22.26 | DigitalOctopus | but do have have a high charge per transaction...? |
21:23.02 | Leeds | not sure - I just work with the code, not the financial side of things |
21:23.18 | DigitalOctopus | I knew of worldpay and paypal, but i thought they were supposed to be a bit lame, also it requires the customer to have an account... |
21:23.38 | DigitalOctopus | I was looking for something that maybe could use c-cards.. |
21:23.57 | Leeds | nah, we do credit card handling with worldpay |
21:24.06 | DigitalOctopus | Ohh rite... |
21:24.10 | Leeds | and a different part of the charity does it with paypal, AFAIK |
21:24.35 | DigitalOctopus | Yeah but it does require the customer to have an account with either of them doesnt it ? |
21:24.43 | Leeds | noope |
21:24.56 | Leeds | well... certainly not worldpay, and I don't think for paypal either |
21:25.00 | DigitalOctopus | ahh.... i thought it required it.. i've only used them with ebay |
21:25.38 | Wethrin | Nope, sorry |
21:25.41 | DigitalOctopus | Hmm might have to have a bigger look at them.. |
21:25.56 | Wethrin | Urgh. That was about 30s delay |
21:26.04 | DigitalOctopus | lol |
21:27.09 | DigitalOctopus | Well thanks for the input Leeds... |
21:27.21 | Leeds | no problem |
21:27.39 | Leeds | we've handled over 500 'orders' via worldpay this summer (which is a lot for us) |
21:28.42 | DigitalOctopus | wow... nice... |
21:30.11 | Leeds | slightly over 69000 pounds |
21:30.43 | Leeds | whoa |
21:30.48 | DigitalOctopus | Which is nice.. :-) i wonder how much ppal charged you for that |
21:31.13 | Leeds | that was worldpay, not paypal |
21:32.18 | DigitalOctopus | ok... |
21:36.51 | DigitalOctopus | Pay Pal rate is 3.4% + £0.20 GBP |
21:47.23 | morsing | Magnus, how did you get an IPv6 address in there? |
21:53.15 | Leeds | morsing: he comes from an IPV6 host? |
21:54.04 | murble | paypal are evil for creditcard payments |
21:54.16 | murble | and currancy transfers |
21:54.37 | morsing | I didn't think IPv6 addresses could be routed or allocated on the Internet yet? |
21:54.44 | Leeds | I really can't comment on the financial side of things, but I've no complaint against worldpay |
21:54.48 | Leeds | morsing: sure they can |
21:55.08 | morsing | So I just need my ISP to give me one? |
21:55.09 | murble | morsing: there is native peering of IPv6 at many exchanges |
21:55.35 | murble | morsing: you can use 6to4 without any setup wiht a 3rd party and it will just work. |
21:55.52 | murble | otherwise you can get an ipv6 tunnel. |
21:56.19 | morsing | Do I need to involve my ISP in any of this? |
21:56.32 | morsing | And how will outsiders use it? |
21:56.46 | murble | morsing: no nought to do with your isp |
21:56.59 | murble | they could provide a 6to4 multicast relay which would be cool though. |
21:59.28 | morsing | But how do I pick an address? And what about my DNS records? |
22:07.56 | murble | morsing: the dns is based on your ipv4 address |
22:08.03 | murble | s/dns/ipv6 addresses/ |
22:09.20 | morsing | But since people use DNS to look up my host they'll use my IPv4 anywaay so there isn't really much point. |
22:09.32 | murble | e.g. 2002:myipv4addres:80 bits of mine |
22:09.51 | murble | morsing: but if you have your own zone that you control you can point somthing else at that. |
22:13.21 | murble | Wethrin: have you done the operator overloading thing? |
22:31.41 | morsing | Greg, you've got mail! |
22:37.25 | Wethrin | murble: Erm. Not for +,-,*,/ |
22:37.33 | murble | oh.. |
22:37.37 | Wethrin | Should I? |
22:41.35 | Wethrin | How do you overload a binary operator? |
22:41.49 | Leeds | by giving it three operands? |
22:41.59 | Wethrin | Har :) |
22:43.29 | Leeds | available soon - my new book! |
22:43.35 | Leeds | Bad Geek Jokes Volume III |
22:47.43 | Wethrin | :) |
22:50.15 | stephen | heh |
22:53.11 | Wethrin | murble: Java does not let you overload operators with new meaning, e.g. to define + for the Complex class. |
22:54.42 | morsing | G'nite all |
22:57.38 | Leeds | well Java sucks then doesn't it? |
22:57.56 | Wethrin | Yes, Mr. Sun person. |
22:58.56 | Leeds | I can live with that |
22:58.57 | Wethrin | I'm not that bothered about the lack of operator overloading |
22:59.06 | Wethrin | there's not that much wrong with saying z.add(complex) |
22:59.25 | Leeds | but you should be *able* to say z + complex |
22:59.48 | Wethrin | Complain to the designers of the language, then :) |
23:11.23 | Leeds | g'night |