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| 07:47.48 | zachary | moin |
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| 08:19.03 | axelS | good morning |
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| 10:09.01 | Xiaoqi | hi zachary |
| 10:09.10 | zachary | hi Xiaoqi |
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| 10:24.02 | resuDaed | any sun experts (not leeds, I need to know now) in here? |
| 10:25.05 | resuDaed | I have been offered a sparc ultra 5 (270MHz,128MB RAM,4.3GB HDD) & a sun 17" monitor for 130 squid - worth it? |
| 10:31.25 | Wethrin | Morning |
| 10:31.30 | irvined | try ebay - thats a good way to check prices. |
| 10:31.46 | Wethrin | Try going down to £100. |
| 10:32.00 | Wethrin | Sun monitors tend to be really nice, so it'd be worth it just for that |
| 10:32.08 | resuDaed | Wethrin : that was my thought |
| 10:32.27 | Wethrin | Although, personally, I'd try and avoid paying :) |
| 10:32.33 | resuDaed | ebay didn't have anything overly similar (or coming to end of auction) |
| 10:32.36 | resuDaed | Wethrin ? |
| 10:33.30 | Wethrin | Well, I don't like paying for computers |
| 10:34.29 | resuDaed | neither do I, but most of them worth having, people want money for |
| 10:35.20 | resuDaed | I currently 'run' 2x486s, 1xP1, 2xP2 & 1xP3 (lappy), all my amds have either been sold off or died :-( |
| 10:35.35 | Wethrin | :-/ |
| 10:35.51 | resuDaed | 486s make decent routers as long as you don't try and ssh into them :-) |
| 10:35.59 | Wethrin | Well, try and pay the minimum you can get away with |
| 10:36.00 | Wethrin | :) |
| 10:36.27 | resuDaed | I have treid almost all flavours of unix I can get my hands on, and want to try solaris on its native platform |
| 10:36.51 | resuDaed | (and have a sun omnitor, because I also love them) |
| 10:37.05 | Wethrin | You tried Irix? |
| 10:37.25 | resuDaed | no, linux,f/o/nBSD and minix |
| 10:37.50 | resuDaed | currently all but minix in service on home network |
| 10:38.36 | resuDaed | irix has a general URI? |
| 10:39.20 | Wethrin | You need an SGI machine |
| 10:39.42 | Wethrin | Do you want a copy of SCO Opensewer, or SCO Xenix 286? Or even OpenStep? |
| 10:41.23 | resuDaed | YES PLEASE!! |
| 10:41.32 | Wethrin | http://testme.eco.li |
| 10:41.40 | Wethrin | Dig around, you'll find what you want |
| 10:41.53 | resuDaed | I still need to bring a 286 into production service somewhere on the network ... not sure where/what yet, but needs to be done :-) |
| 10:42.26 | resuDaed | (any suggestions?) |
| 10:42.43 | resuDaed | and a 386 |
| 10:43.01 | resuDaed | I have enough firewalls/routers, plus I don't see them being able to cope with the bandwidth |
| 10:43.18 | resuDaed | the 486s struggle sometimes |
| 10:43.19 | Wethrin | (BTW, some of the stuff might move around in the next couple of days) |
| 10:43.39 | Wethrin | Hm? I had a 386/20 doing NATting for me. It limited my network connection to 2Mbift |
| 10:43.43 | Wethrin | *Mbigt |
| 10:43.44 | Wethrin | *Mbit |
| 10:43.47 | Wethrin | GARGH! |
| 10:44.21 | Wethrin | So it's plenty enough unless you have a >2Mb connection |
| 10:44.22 | resuDaed | my 486s are limited to just the 10MBit part of the network, the 100MBit parts are 133 & 233 |
| 10:44.29 | Wethrin | Yah. |
| 10:45.26 | resuDaed | w/station --100MBit--> f/wall&router --10Mbit--> f/wall --512k/128k--> Internet |
| 10:46.39 | resuDaed | sometime I justpost my network setup to [gllug] for somments/suggstions, but not today |
| 10:46.40 | Wethrin | Why do you need two firewalls? |
| 10:46.40 | resuDaed | s/just/must |
| 10:46.40 | Wethrin | Use a 10/100 switch |
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| 11:02.07 | resuDaed | each of the *|*s represents a paranoid firewall config |
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| 11:36.01 | gregj | mornnig |
| 11:37.12 | gregj | welcome |
| 11:38.05 | Leeds | thank you |
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| 13:58.40 | armijn | re |
| 14:05.31 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 14:08.24 | armijn | am reading through code comments of a program...all in german |
| 14:08.24 | armijn | not funny |
| 14:09.58 | Wethrin | re |
| 14:10.48 | armijn | we've got some chipcard controlled access mechanism here, with an ancient Windows program |
| 14:10.52 | armijn | want to use Linux for it instead |
| 14:11.01 | armijn | found a program which some German students wrote 5 years ago |
| 14:11.33 | armijn | was written in C++, but of course doesn't compile with new GCC...and the project has been abandoned anyway |
| 14:17.28 | Wethrin | Ah |
| 14:18.16 | armijn | rewriting it to Python... |
| 14:18.26 | armijn | can't find anything about the protocol, except for their code |
| 14:19.13 | Wethrin | Urgh |
| 14:19.24 | Wethrin | Unfun hackery |
| 14:19.35 | armijn | ah well |
| 14:19.57 | Wethrin | I will go pick up case soon, hopefully |
| 14:20.12 | armijn | I got a pretty extensive dump of the communication on the wire... |
| 14:20.20 | Wethrin | Mm. |
| 14:20.27 | armijn | and luckily I don't have to figure out everything myself... |
| 14:20.35 | Wethrin | That's good |
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| 14:21.17 | Wethrin | Hi ROOT, alias SPQR |
| 14:21.20 | Wethrin | Bah. |
| 14:21.39 | Clyphox | heh |
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| 14:24.52 | Clyphox | wb |
| 14:24.56 | SPQR | 'lo |
| 14:25.09 | Wethrin | 'lo |
| 14:25.16 | Wethrin | Non-root person |
| 14:25.21 | SPQR | Hey dan |
| 14:25.25 | Wethrin | :) |
| 14:25.38 | SPQR | heh, I was't root, but it saw me as root??!! 0_o |
| 14:25.45 | SPQR | *wasn't |
| 14:26.02 | Leeds | you were root |
| 14:26.07 | Wethrin | anyone want to come along to Return of the King on 17th December? Shiny digitalness awaits for £10.50 or so |
| 14:26.10 | Leeds | or at least that's what identd told the server |
| 14:26.34 | Leeds | Wethrin: yes |
| 14:26.47 | Wethrin | Leeds: I know you do :) |
| 14:26.58 | Leeds | for the record :-) |
| 14:27.10 | Wethrin | Okay. I shall keep a proper record :) |
| 14:27.29 | Wethrin | Done. |
| 14:27.45 | SPQR | well I don't know about ident :/ All I know was that iwasn't logged in as root. I'd specificaly changed users b4 logging in. Oh well. its over and done with |
| 14:29.10 | Wethrin | Hm. |
| 14:31.34 | Wethrin | Programming tutorial time. Then HOME! |
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| 14:49.50 | armijn | hmm |
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| 16:52.55 | Jenson | heya Al |
| 16:52.58 | A4266 | 'lo |
| 16:53.04 | Jenson | what you doing herer? |
| 16:53.26 | A4266 | getting my irssi up :P |
| 16:53.41 | Jenson | are we gonna be seeing you back on here then? |
| 16:53.53 | A4266 | maybe |
| 16:53.56 | A4266 | gotta go now |
| 16:54.10 | Jenson | seeya hon |
| 16:54.15 | A4266|away | byee |
| 16:59.15 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 17:00.04 | Jenson | heya Xiaoqi |
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| 17:14.05 | JD | hi all |
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| 18:12.18 | JD | ibot lives |
| 18:12.20 | | bugger all, i dunno, JD |
| 18:13.11 | Xiaoqi | lol |
| 18:38.34 | Jenson | heya |
| 18:43.35 | JD | hi |
| 18:44.06 | Leeds | ho |
| 18:45.33 | JD | Leeds: language |
| 18:45.42 | Leeds | JD: english |
| 18:45.54 | JD | right |
| 18:46.41 | Jenson | well, my dad wants the pc, so i'll BBL |
| 18:46.55 | Leeds | bye... |
| 18:52.15 | JD | oh well |
| 18:52.35 | Leeds | that bad? |
| 18:53.35 | JD | yep |
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| 19:04.49 | Jenson | back |
| 19:08.42 | JD | front? |
| 19:08.58 | Leeds | top? |
| 19:11.22 | Jenson | erm, that doesnt mean you have to stop talkinh |
| 19:11.50 | Leeds | amusing, happy, amused? |
| 19:12.25 | Jenson | no, im not happy |
| 19:13.39 | Leeds | whyever not? |
| 19:14.06 | Jenson | erm, coz my mate crashed into a wall last night and killed himself, and i only found out tonight |
| 19:15.48 | Leeds | yeah, that's a fair reason to be unhappy :-( |
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| 19:17.19 | Jenson | and last time i saw him he told me he'd loved me for 3 years and i slept with him to get him out of my house |
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| 19:20.03 | Jenson | well, the story is on the website, despite the fact it was on the frontpage this morning |
| 19:20.28 | Jenson | they havent announced who it was yet, i only know because the fire crew from the factory my dad works at attended the accident |
| 19:20.38 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 19:21.39 | Jenson | it would have happened too late fir them to inform relatives before the paper was printed, i expect they'll announce it tomorrow |
| 19:22.03 | Leeds | ah |
| 19:22.35 | Jenson | it happened about 10pm, coz my mother drove past the road as it was sealed off |
| 19:22.45 | Jenson | seenas iots the main road at the bottom of this road |
| 19:22.55 | Leeds | hmm... Jewish funeral would have been today, hospital/police permitting... |
| 19:23.26 | Jenson | he was religious |
| 19:23.47 | Jenson | he liked porn, girls, alcohol, marijuana andmoney......erm wasnt religious |
| 19:23.53 | Jenson | grrr im not making sense tonight |
| 19:24.43 | Jenson | hiya nasrat |
| 19:24.54 | Jenson | the only one of you lot that has met him is Wethrin |
| 19:26.59 | nasrat | hi ppl |
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| 19:27.54 | Jenson | wb eye69 |
| 19:27.57 | Jenson | nasrat: how are you? |
| 19:29.21 | nasrat | Jenson: busy, tired, same old stuff |
| 19:37.39 | nasrat | cheers - stuff to do bbl |
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| 19:39.58 | Jenson | hiya resuDaed |
| 19:41.38 | resuDaed | hey Jenson |
| 19:42.35 | Jenson | Do you wanna meet up with us all on the 22nd for a drink....coz its my b/day on the 23rd (but thats a sunday which is a silly drinking day) |
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| 20:06.26 | Jenson | wb Leeds |
| 20:06.31 | Leeds | hey |
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| 20:22.44 | Jenson | hiya |
| 20:24.38 | Xiaoqi | hi Jenson |
| 20:24.40 | Xiaoqi | hi stephanb |
| 20:25.39 | Jenson | hi Xiaoqi |
| 20:33.30 | Leeds | hmm... someone called Kim Hawkins on University Challenge |
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| 21:06.06 | JD | hi cupis |
| 21:06.21 | cupis | hi JD |
| 21:06.36 | Xiaoqi | hi JD |
| 21:08.03 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 21:11.08 | Jenson | why is it so quiet on heere tongiht |
| 21:12.21 | Xiaoqi | dunno |
| 21:12.34 | Jenson | i want Costa |
| 21:12.42 | Xiaoqi | aww |
| 21:14.10 | JD | can you not prod him onto irc? |
| 21:14.56 | Jenson | hes in thailand |
| 21:15.16 | JD | oh |
| 21:15.57 | Jenson | actually, right nowe i dont care who, just someone to hug would be nice |
| 21:16.00 | JD | Leeds: weren;t you there for like 5 hours? |
| 21:16.05 | Leeds | and just tidied up some of the junk he left lying around when he got back... like 5 minutes ago |
| 21:16.09 | Leeds | JD: 2.5 days, please |
| 21:16.49 | JD | group hug? |
| 21:16.55 | Leeds | fair enough |
| 21:17.46 | Jenson | im completely whacked, which ios dumb seenas i didnt get out of bed til midday |
| 21:24.05 | Jenson | ooopsie we just had a power failure |
| 21:24.41 | Jenson | Leeds: did you watch university challanfe then? |
| 21:24.46 | Leeds | yes |
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| 21:24.59 | Jenson | the Bristol guy in the black shit is a friend of zimms |
| 21:25.02 | Leeds | TiVo got it ;-) |
| 21:25.03 | Jenson | erm shirt |
| 21:25.06 | Leeds | heh |
| 21:25.28 | Leeds | there was a girl on it last year who I knew years ago... it was actually quite strange seeing her on TV |
| 21:25.53 | Leeds | ibot change 170 euro to gbp |
| 21:30.05 | Leeds | hey! they redesigned eurostar.com - it's a lot nicer now :-) |
| 21:30.19 | Jenson | havent been on there latelyt |
| 21:31.35 | Jenson | ias gonna go to FOSDEM with Dan l;ast year |
| 21:31.37 | murble | for next febuary? |
| 21:32.01 | Leeds | murble: yeah - budget for work |
| 21:32.27 | Leeds | 100 for travel, 150 for hotel, 50 for food? |
| 21:32.29 | murble | Leeds: they'll pay for some of it |
| 21:32.29 | murble | ? |
| 21:32.35 | murble | Leeds: euro? |
| 21:32.37 | Leeds | maybe/probably |
| 21:32.39 | Leeds | pounds |
| 21:32.47 | Leeds | the point is to over-estimate :-) |
| 21:32.50 | murble | travel is probably overkill if you book inadvance |
| 21:33.03 | murble | hotel you can stay *much* cheaper than that. |
| 21:33.11 | murble | and food might be more if you include beer |
| 21:33.33 | murble | then you've got to account for misc expencese like t-shirt/fosdem sponership |
| 21:33.33 | Leeds | only includes reasonable beer - i.e. a pint or two with a meal, not night at the pub |
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| 21:33.55 | Leeds | I'd pay the t-shirt/sponsorship myself - it's only fair |
| 21:34.38 | Leeds | if nothing else, that *is* voluntary, even if I wouldn't go without paying |
| 21:35.15 | murble | Leeds: i was thinking more of the total cost of going. |
| 21:35.25 | murble | I'll probably allow about 120 pounds. |
| 21:35.46 | Leeds | murble: right, but I'm thinking of replying to my manager's "if you're going to a conference, how much will you claim on expenses for it?" |
| 21:36.24 | Leeds | 60 quid for train, 40-50 quid a night for hotel, maybe, plus beer/food/buses/etc. |
| 21:36.57 | Leeds | hmm... Panther.1 is out... I don't have my Panther yet |
| 21:38.49 | Leeds | murble: how do you get to 120 quid? |
| 21:39.03 | murble | Leeds: eurostar 70 or so, + food |
| 21:39.14 | Leeds | ah, sleeping in the gutter? |
| 21:39.16 | murble | + fee |
| 21:39.17 | murble | yeah. |
| 21:39.28 | murble | no, i can stay for free in brussels. |
| 21:39.36 | Leeds | lucky... |
| 21:39.59 | murble | Leeds: normally they also arrange offical free accomdation. |
| 21:40.07 | murble | normally in leurven though. |
| 21:40.27 | murble | at mind.be |
| 21:40.29 | Leeds | I wouldn't take a free place |
| 21:41.20 | murble | I would... |
| 21:41.31 | murble | if i had noewhere else to stayu. |
| 21:41.54 | Leeds | oh, sure... but I (or work) can afford a hotel, so it would be leeching |
| 21:42.52 | Jenson | finally |
| 21:42.59 | Jenson | bloody thing froze itzelf for like 10 mins |
| 21:43.01 | Leeds | I do also consider it a weekend away |
| 21:43.31 | JD | Leeds: I'll be going, but hopefully it will cost me less than the 400GBP that last year did |
| 21:43.40 | Leeds | 400?? |
| 21:43.47 | Wethrin | Eek. £400 is excessive. |
| 21:43.57 | JD | yeah not quite sure how it happened |
| 21:44.02 | Leeds | Wethrin: pardon? :-) |
| 21:44.08 | JD | Oslo cost me the same and that was for 8 nights |
| 21:44.17 | Wethrin | Eek. GBP 400 is excessive. |
| 21:44.38 | Leeds | realistically you should be able to do it for 200, 300 if you want lots of beer and a nice/decent hotel |
| 21:44.50 | Wethrin | £ It's okay, you can use this if you want to hide things from Leeds ;-) |
| 21:45.04 | JD | well I think travelling first class on the train down to waterloo wasn;t the best idea |
| 21:45.19 | JD | Wethrin: £ yo mean like this? |
| 21:45.22 | Jenson | yeh, btwebmail doesnt like the £ either |
| 21:45.36 | JD | Jenson: and that is surprising because? |
| 21:45.44 | Wethrin | JD: £ Yes |
| 21:45.56 | Jenson | well, i thought it was a linux/moz problem, but it does it with ie too |
| 21:45.58 | JD | Wethrin: £cool |
| 21:46.14 | Wethrin | £ I wonder if this is annoying Leeds yet |
| 21:47.08 | JD | £ I'm not sure but lets corry on until he he complains |
| 21:48.10 | murble | £ he might have4 fixed his client. |
| 21:48.24 | murble | Leeds: have you fixed your client?£ |
| 21:49.25 | Jenson | bloody hell, we still ahvea mouse in our kitchen, bloody infestation |
| 21:50.12 | Jenson | s/ahvea/have |
| 21:55.36 | irvined | man im poor. |
| 21:55.46 | irvined | i'm poor, but im going to the USA woohoo |
| 21:55.59 | irvined | but it means for the rest of the month i have to live on soup and beans on toast, |
| 21:56.00 | Jenson | :) |
| 21:56.03 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:56.08 | irvined | its like being student scum again. |
| 21:56.58 | Leeds | I've got no idea what you all said there... was out the room |
| 21:57.10 | Leeds | irvined: holiday, work, moving? |
| 21:57.16 | irvined | Holiday |
| 21:57.28 | Leeds | where, how long? |
| 21:57.30 | irvined | im tempted to try and get to know some potential employers over there |
| 21:57.34 | irvined | 16 days, |
| 21:57.44 | irvined | i'm off to colorado, staying at a friends house in winter park |
| 21:57.57 | Leeds | cool... too early to ski? |
| 21:57.57 | irvined | im basically going to be a snowboarding bum, with a bunch of geeks |
| 21:57.59 | irvined | it should be ace. |
| 21:58.05 | irvined | nah, wp has snow from november. |
| 21:58.07 | irvined | its in the rockies. |
| 21:58.12 | Leeds | very nice |
| 21:58.14 | irvined | and they just make the snow if they don't have it already |
| 21:58.15 | irvined | yeah its sweet |
| 21:58.25 | Leeds | I haven't skied in years... like to watch the racing though |
| 21:58.28 | irvined | my friend works there and is giving me free sofa, free lift pass free ..... |
| 21:58.54 | Leeds | sweet :-) |
| 21:59.05 | Leeds | murble: gaim 0.71 |
| 21:59.21 | Jenson | gaim 0.71? |
| 21:59.26 | Jenson | im using 0.72 |
| 21:59.36 | Leeds | yes, I'm one behind |
| 22:00.09 | Leeds | maybe I should try to build 0.72 with pound-sign support... ./configure --enable-sterling :-) |
| 22:00.36 | Jenson | yeh well i dont use GAIM for irc, i use irssi. i use gaim for MSN |
| 22:00.47 | murble | not ./configure --enable-£ |
| 22:00.58 | murble | do they also have --enable-\$ ? |
| 22:01.36 | Leeds | murble: nope... everyone uses $ |
| 22:02.45 | Wethrin | Leeds: I remember older GAIMs supported pound signs |
| 22:03.09 | Leeds | as I said... I know it can display Hebrew, it should be able to manage English |
| 22:03.16 | Leeds | =A3 |
| 22:05.34 | Wethrin | Yep |
| 22:16.00 | Jenson | grrr far too quiet tongiht |
| 22:16.18 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@host-212-158-207-148.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 22:16.50 | Leeds | someone want to type a pound sign for me? |
| 22:16.54 | Jenson | £ |
| 22:17.01 | Leeds | nope :-( |
| 22:17.03 | Leeds | thanks anyway |
| 22:17.14 | Jenson | l |
| 22:17.19 | Jenson | why not switch to xchat |
| 22:17.23 | Jenson | grrr |
| 22:17.31 | Jenson | i keep managibng to skip letters |
| 22:17.36 | Jenson | not me persoannly but the k/b |
| 22:17.55 | Leeds | I normally use xchat - I use it at work... but it's stopped drawing windows here :-( |
| 22:18.24 | Jenson | erm irssi or BitchX? |
| 22:18.57 | Leeds | hang on a few minutes |
| 22:19.00 | Wethrin | BitchX is horrible |
| 22:19.12 | Jenson | yeh i know that lol |
| 22:19.14 | Jenson | irssi is cool though |
| 22:25.49 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@host-212-158-207-148.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 22:26.04 | Jenson | re Leeds |
| 22:26.14 | Wethrin | It's than man again! |
| 22:26.47 | Leeds | now back as Leeds classic, complete with pound signs and all |
| 22:27.04 | Leeds | moved my ~/.xchat2 directory out the way and it's working now :-) |
| 22:28.21 | Leeds | someone say pound, please? :-) |
| 22:28.56 | Jenson | £ |
| 22:29.08 | Leeds | oh, wow... now I see a blank line ;-( |
| 22:29.10 | irvined | hmm |
| 22:29.12 | irvined | decisions.... |
| 22:29.25 | Leeds | was that just a pound sign or a line with one in? |
| 22:29.51 | JD | £ can you read any of this? |
| 22:30.00 | Leeds | "<JD> can you read any of this?" |
| 22:30.09 | Jenson | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.15 | JD | hmmm £Damm |
| 22:31.19 | Leeds | anyway, as long as I don't loose an entire line and have it replaced by an error message... I can live with it |
| 22:32.11 | Wethrin | ££££££££££ |
| 22:32.55 | Leeds | nope, not seeing anything... doesn't look like it 's the font, but IRC in serif looks funny :-) |
| 22:32.55 | Jenson | Wethrin: stop ££££££ing lol |
| 22:33.03 | Wethrin | ££££££ |
| 22:33.07 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:34.56 | Leeds | very strange |
| 22:36.15 | Wethrin | Leeds: I have a case+bits (just need a hard drive). Need to install OS, and I'll be ready to hand machine over to your capable paws :) |
| 22:41.56 | Leeds | cool |
| 22:42.34 | Jenson | we just caught the mouse |
| 22:43.21 | Leeds | mmm... dinner! |
| 22:43.33 | Wethrin | Roast mouse? |
| 22:43.55 | Jenson | i made my dad get out of bed and move it |
| 22:44.15 | Wethrin | Leeds: Wouldn't it need to be Kosher for dinner? |
| 22:44.16 | Jenson | he'd told me not to look, but i couldnt ignore it coz i heard the trap |
| 22:44.31 | Leeds | Wethrin, for my dinner sure... for Jenson, I don't think so |
| 22:44.51 | Wethrin | All id... |
| 22:44.55 | Jenson | ewww you discusting ppl |
| 22:45.00 | Jenson | disgusting |
| 22:45.01 | Jenson | even |
| 22:46.13 | Wethrin | Mm. Tchaikovsky 5 is rather good. |
| 22:50.39 | Wethrin | Good. Now install a proper distro |
| 22:51.09 | JD | Wethrin: I'm not entirely sure msk would do a netbooting nfsrooting install |
| 22:51.16 | Jenson | JD: well done |
| 22:51.17 | JD | mdk |
| 22:51.19 | *** join/#gllug axelS (~axel@80.192.205.17) |
| 22:51.25 | Wethrin | NetBSD would do it |
| 22:51.28 | Wethrin | Hi axelS |
| 22:51.37 | JD | would slack? |
| 22:51.48 | axelS | hi |
| 22:51.48 | Wethrin | Dunno. Probably with some prodding around |
| 22:56.58 | Wethrin | nfsroos? Bouncy Australian NFS? |
| 22:57.03 | Leeds | heh |
| 22:58.18 | Jenson | night everyine |
| 22:58.20 | Wethrin | 'night |
| 22:58.22 | Jenson | everyone |
| 22:59.10 | Leeds | this is the same data: |
| 22:59.12 | Leeds | richardc@butter:~/donis$ du -sk Adar zipped.zip Adar.tbz2 |
| 22:59.12 | Leeds | 9100 Adar |
| 22:59.12 | Leeds | 1080 zipped.zip |
| 22:59.12 | Leeds | 120 Adar.tbz2 |
| 22:59.33 | Wethrin | Hm. bz2 is much better than zip in that instance |
| 22:59.45 | Wethrin | Compare zip with maximum compression too, though |
| 23:00.48 | Leeds | that directory contains 456 Word documents |
| 23:01.21 | Wethrin | Ah. You want to use lzip on that, then. With maximum compression. |
| 23:01.28 | Leeds | lzip? |
| 23:01.56 | Leeds | each file is 19456 bytes and contains about 100 bytes of actual data |
| 23:02.18 | Wethrin | http://lzip.sourceforge.net |
| 23:02.22 | Wethrin | (lossy zip) |
| 23:03.26 | Leeds | no |
| 23:03.33 | Leeds | this is actually important data |
| 23:04.42 | Wethrin | You're entrusting 100 bytes of important data to a Word file? |
| 23:06.22 | Wethrin | :) |
| 23:06.36 | Leeds | that's the point... I'm helping save the data |
| 23:07.05 | Leeds | here's a laugh... they have thousands of these Word docs, saved on *floppies* |
| 23:07.18 | Wethrin | Hahah. |
| 23:07.19 | eye69 | Leeds: *sigh* |
| 23:07.20 | Leeds | they're separated by Hebrew month |
| 23:07.26 | Leeds | and they've lost one of the months |
| 23:07.46 | Wethrin | You can't really have much sympathy, though, saving files onto floppies for safe keeping |
| 23:08.27 | Wethrin | It's almost like saving onto punched paper tape, then leaving the tape to soak in water before trying to read back from it |
| 23:08.52 | Leeds | every time I've spoken to my mum since she told me about it I've shouted "GET IT OFF THE FLOPPIES, GET IT ON A HARD DRIVE - A FEW HARD DRIVES!" |
| 23:09.14 | Wethrin | And a couple of CDs won't hurt either |
| 23:09.20 | eye69 | Put them in a DB. |
| 23:09.22 | Leeds | true |
| 23:09.31 | Leeds | eye69: exactly what I'm doing |
| 23:09.39 | eye69 | Wethrin: :) |
| 23:10.39 | Leeds | yes, putting it in Access |
| 23:14.03 | Leeds | and I'm not joking about that |
| 23:14.08 | Wethrin | Bad Leeds! |
| 23:15.10 | Leeds | not my setup, I'm just helping |
| 23:18.53 | Wethrin | Heh. |
| 23:19.07 | Wethrin | Grrr. Our tutorials at Uni are so utterly pointless |
| 23:19.20 | Wethrin | We're supposed to do some sort of business plan. |
| 23:27.46 | stephen | ouch |
| 23:28.35 | stephen | I like writing the programs for uni, but I _hate_ doing paper work |
| 23:28.43 | Wethrin | Yeah. |
| 23:28.56 | Wethrin | Specially that this isn't even part of the course. |
| 23:29.01 | Wethrin | It's all quite pointless (to me) |
| 23:29.09 | stephen | even worse |
| 23:29.32 | Wethrin | Yeah |
| 23:30.05 | Wethrin | Silly silly things. |
| 23:30.07 | Wethrin | Ho hum. |
| 23:30.27 | Wethrin | I guess I should be going to sleep |
| 23:30.29 | Wethrin | G'night all |
| 23:30.45 | stephen | nn Wethrin |
| 23:31.42 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-74-183.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 23:31.58 | highbury | hi folk |
| 23:32.31 | stephen | evening highbury |
| 23:41.33 | Leeds | axelS: kroupware? |
| 23:42.36 | highbury | kolab |
| 23:42.40 | axelS | hgm? |
| 23:43.07 | axelS | i've tested phpgroupware and countless clones - but there are shite! IMHO... |
| 23:43.43 | axelS | hmm... kolab... |
| 23:44.37 | highbury | YMMV |
| 23:44.46 | axelS | you wot? |
| 23:45.15 | highbury | Your Mileage May Vary - ie. it may be what or want, or it might not |
| 23:45.17 | axelS | kroupware.org doesn't work?... |
| 23:45.35 | axelS | yup - ce la vie |
| 23:45.43 | axelS | shame their server is down |
| 23:45.49 | highbury | caveat emptor |
| 23:46.10 | highbury | its usually mirrored on ftp.kde.org |
| 23:46.32 | axelS | reading the infos first... thanks to googles cache :D |
| 23:49.58 | Leeds | that's the one |
| 23:50.38 | axelS | thanks for the tip folks - looks promising |
| 23:51.02 | axelS | anyone tried kolab in a production environment? i.e. real-life users, etc |
| 23:51.13 | Leeds | bo :-) |
| 23:51.45 | Leeds | that was actually a real answer |
| 23:52.19 | axelS | bo? |
| 23:52.22 | axelS | boo? |
| 23:52.24 | axelS | :) |
| 23:52.48 | Leeds | Bo |
| 23:53.03 | Leeds | Bo Thorsen |
| 23:53.09 | axelS | stop throwing strange noises at me - it's too late for that :) |
| 23:53.18 | axelS | who/what/why is Bo Thorsen? |
| 23:53.25 | axelS | pardon my ignorance |
| 23:53.40 | Leeds | big hearty blonde Danish (I think) bloke |
| 23:53.44 | Leeds | works on it |
| 23:53.57 | Leeds | likes his beer... |
| 23:54.11 | axelS | ah |
| 23:54.15 | Leeds | http://www.ukuug.org/bios+profiles/BThorsen.shtml here we go |
| 23:54.19 | axelS | thx |
| 23:54.50 | Leeds | and the 'paper' he presented is there, which is cool |
| 23:55.08 | axelS | nice - i'll read it tomorrow when my eyes stop hurting |
| 23:55.21 | axelS | btw. have you ever used/installed kolab? (just curious) |
| 23:55.56 | Leeds | nope... but it did look nice |
| 23:56.07 | axelS | hehe |
| 23:56.11 | axelS | ok |
| 23:56.12 | Leeds | and that was a while ago, I expect it will have improved somewhat since |
| 23:56.22 | axelS | well, aparently it's stable :) |
| 23:56.38 | axelS | i'll download it tonight and have my wicked ways with it tomorrow after brekkie |
| 23:56.39 | Leeds | I can get to their server... |
| 23:56.48 | axelS | shame it's KDE and not Gnome ;) |
| 23:57.05 | Leeds | it's German... |
| 23:57.12 | axelS | yeah, probably just a temp outage of my ns |
| 23:57.20 | axelS | don't mention it! |
| 23:58.03 | Leeds | do you need windows clients? |
| 23:58.07 | axelS | not really |
| 23:58.12 | axelS | web is ok |
| 23:58.19 | Leeds | ah |
| 23:58.25 | axelS | still need to set up this dreaded ldap server though ;( |
| 23:58.26 | Leeds | um... |
| 23:58.49 | axelS | trying to convert them (my client) to switch to linux 100% :D |
| 23:58.49 | Leeds | not sure how developed the web access is |
| 23:59.05 | Leeds | it's really targetted at KDE client<->server AFAIK |
| 23:59.26 | axelS | we'll see - if all fails I can always ask them to force lotus on me (argh...) |