| 00:09.57 | highbury | nn people |
| 00:35.17 | irvined | nn |
| 00:35.35 | Leeds | night |
| 04:24.27 | gregj | ukfsn adsl rulez |
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| 07:34.29 | highbury | morning |
| 07:48.51 | Clyphox | Hola |
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| 08:36.05 | zachary | moin |
| 08:36.30 | Clyphox | re |
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| 10:11.45 | cup | morning |
| 10:15.37 | cup | quite impressed with open office 1.1 these days |
| 10:33.59 | irvined | yeah its nice. |
| 11:09.24 | cup | anyone know of some good linux webcams? |
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| 11:34.13 | JD | cup: you want a webcom to run under linux or a webcam that runs linux? |
| 11:37.25 | nasrat | hmm is mirror.ac.uk dead for other ppl |
| 11:44.07 | stephen | nope, but it's damn slow though |
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| 11:49.58 | gregj | wb |
| 11:50.24 | Leeds | hey |
| 11:50.31 | Leeds | so, what's up? |
| 11:50.44 | gregj | nothing new |
| 11:50.47 | stephen | the sky |
| 11:50.50 | gregj | i got a flu :/ |
| 11:51.25 | JD | awwww |
| 11:51.39 | gregj | hehe |
| 11:52.29 | Leeds | ;-( |
| 11:53.25 | gregj | there was DROP <table> for tables |
| 11:53.32 | gregj | how to remove whole database |
| 11:55.26 | gregj | drop database <DB>; |
| 11:55.27 | gregj | ;] |
| 11:58.17 | JD | need to be careful with that command |
| 11:59.32 | gregj | i know |
| 11:59.42 | gregj | i need to setup mysql replication |
| 11:59.48 | gregj | so i have to redo whole db |
| 12:31.57 | Leeds | so... much... spam... |
| 12:34.17 | murble | shoot the spammers then. |
| 12:37.01 | JD | gregj: does it have replication? |
| 12:41.29 | gregj | JD: yes |
| 12:41.32 | gregj | JD: and very nice one |
| 12:41.39 | gregj | http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Replication_HOWTO.html |
| 12:42.37 | JD | oh okay |
| 12:42.40 | JD | been a while |
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| 12:49.05 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 12:49.31 | zachary | hey Xiaoqi |
| 13:03.44 | gregj | fsck |
| 13:03.55 | gregj | i got 4 config files on freebsd for mysql |
| 13:04.03 | gregj | now, whcich one is used :/ |
| 13:06.02 | highbury | anybody know a source of cheap, but good quality, DAT tapes (DDS3) ? |
| 13:09.51 | gregj | cheap and good quality does not come the same way |
| 13:09.56 | zachary | sony dds-3 12/24 Gb 7usd |
| 13:35.09 | highbury | 5.58 +pp from Scan |
| 13:38.52 | murble | highbury: do you live within cricketbat range of Scan? |
| 13:41.38 | highbury | where are they based? |
| 13:41.52 | murble | near manchester |
| 13:41.56 | murble | someplace up norht anyway |
| 13:42.10 | murble | they don't belive in returns even for faulty kit. |
| 13:42.16 | murble | it helps if you purchase with a credicard |
| 13:46.17 | cup | JD: webcams that can under linux |
| 13:48.20 | murble | cup: i have a philips PCVC 740k which worksf ine. |
| 13:52.58 | highbury | hmmm... manchester is not part of greater london, regardless of what Tarragon may think |
| 13:58.34 | gregj | zasrane freebsd |
| 14:02.06 | Wethrin | Hm? |
| 14:02.37 | gregj | by default in mysql package, on freebsd there is no config |
| 14:02.43 | gregj | he is using defauts ones |
| 14:02.52 | Wethrin | Yes.... |
| 14:02.55 | Wethrin | Make a config :) |
| 14:03.01 | gregj | so in case you want to change anything, you have to copy examples to /etc/mysql/ |
| 14:03.07 | cup | murble: cheers |
| 14:03.09 | gregj | what a stuppid idea |
| 14:03.19 | gregj | Wethrin: don't tell me that you don't know the word "zasrane" |
| 14:03.31 | Wethrin | More stupid than automatically having a config file? |
| 14:03.33 | Wethrin | No, I don't |
| 14:03.45 | gregj | maybe that's better :-) |
| 14:03.55 | gregj | i don't want to learn you those bad words :-) |
| 14:04.08 | Wethrin | Oh go on. |
| 14:04.18 | gregj | there should be default config in /etc/mysql/ |
| 14:04.21 | gregj | anyway |
| 14:04.25 | gregj | do you know word srac |
| 14:05.03 | Wethrin | No |
| 14:05.18 | gregj | something like diarrhoea |
| 14:05.20 | Wethrin | There's nothing wrong with being made to create a config file :) |
| 14:05.22 | Wethrin | Ahh :) |
| 14:05.23 | gregj | pardon me |
| 14:05.48 | gregj | zasrane means that something is covered with shit, litteraly |
| 14:05.53 | Wethrin | Ah, okay. |
| 14:06.05 | Wethrin | So 'shitty', basically |
| 14:06.10 | gregj | yes |
| 14:06.11 | gregj | :-) |
| 14:06.22 | Wethrin | Heh. |
| 14:06.37 | gregj | tylko nie chwal sie mamie ze ktos cie uczy takich slow ;] |
| 14:06.45 | Wethrin | :-) |
| 14:09.41 | gregj | how are you, anyway ? |
| 14:09.47 | Wethrin | Tired. |
| 14:09.50 | gregj | hehe |
| 14:09.53 | Wethrin | And at SUSE. |
| 14:10.06 | Wethrin | I have the fun of opening up machines when I get home this evening |
| 14:10.06 | gregj | exploited by Novell ;] |
| 14:10.18 | Wethrin | Heh |
| 14:10.43 | Leeds | so I assume you're employed by SUSE UK, who are a subsidiary of SUSE .de who are now in-the-process-of-becoming-owned by Novell? |
| 14:11.20 | Wethrin | Are owned by Novell. |
| 14:11.28 | gregj | indeed |
| 14:11.33 | Wethrin | But there's just final points that need to be made over the next couple of months |
| 14:11.38 | Leeds | I thought it was in progress and agreed, rather than completed |
| 14:11.56 | Wethrin | Leeds: I went to Leicester Square cinema yesterday, and they're not yet taking prebookings for Lord of the Rings |
| 14:12.05 | Leeds | oh well... |
| 14:12.14 | Leeds | got to keep trying every few days, I guess |
| 14:12.22 | Wethrin | It's basically done (they've paid up, etc.), but there's a bit of completion to do |
| 14:12.25 | gregj | Leeds: ;] |
| 14:12.55 | Leeds | fair enough |
| 14:12.55 | Leeds | much easier with a private company, I guess :-) |
| 14:13.00 | gregj | depends on size |
| 14:13.00 | Wethrin | ibot change 125GBP to USD |
| 14:13.09 | Wethrin | ibot change 125 GBP to USD |
| 14:13.13 | gregj | suse is private |
| 14:13.32 | gregj | or was |
| 14:20.23 | gregj | hmm |
| 14:20.36 | gregj | any chance to tell mysql to accept connections only from localhost ? |
| 14:20.53 | murble | yes. |
| 14:20.56 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 14:21.05 | Leeds | I would bloody hope so :-) |
| 14:21.08 | gregj | i mean sockets, not unix socket |
| 14:21.15 | Wethrin | You could firewall the mysql port :) |
| 14:21.23 | gregj | because he listeins on everything by default :/ |
| 14:21.33 | Wethrin | yeah, you should be able to ge it to listen on only a particular IP address (or set of addresses) |
| 14:22.16 | gregj | Wethrin: what i should type in to cut traffic on port 6666 , and allow only connections from localhost on freebsd ? |
| 14:22.30 | gregj | that's jail, not full frebsd :/ |
| 14:23.29 | Wethrin | Umm....I'm not sure. 'man ipfw' |
| 14:23.45 | Wethrin | (unless you want to recompile the kernel with ipf) |
| 14:23.56 | murble | Wethrin: it is a module. |
| 14:24.09 | murble | kldload ipf |
| 14:24.36 | gregj | i have no clue |
| 14:24.44 | gregj | that's jail, not standalone server |
| 14:24.57 | Wethrin | Okay. I thought you needed to download ipf separately. |
| 14:25.07 | gregj | Wethrin: i have man there, at least |
| 14:25.31 | gregj | Wethrin: you told me other day that this is so simple and intuitive |
| 14:25.42 | Wethrin | What is? FreeBSD? |
| 14:26.14 | gregj | yep |
| 14:26.26 | murble | Wethrin: not on freebsd |
| 14:26.28 | Wethrin | Yes. You just need to get used to it :) |
| 14:26.45 | murble | Wethrin: why did you think ipf was a downloady thing? |
| 14:26.50 | Wethrin | murble: Okay. I've only really done firewalling with OpenBSD, so can't say much about Free. |
| 14:27.29 | Wethrin | Well, Darren doesn't like modified versions of ipf being redistributed. |
| 14:27.56 | murble | Wethrin: hmm i think you'll find that he is a freebsd comitter |
| 14:28.05 | Wethrin | Fair enough. |
| 14:28.21 | murble | and no, he just clarified the license conditinos for thoes that can't read like theo. |
| 14:29.30 | Wethrin | Wasn't that the clarification, though? |
| 14:30.19 | gregj | i think i'll have to setup freebsd localy, and just play around |
| 14:30.45 | Wethrin | Yup :) |
| 14:30.53 | gregj | i don't like to experiment with servers that are in USA |
| 14:31.00 | gregj | i got no timme to go there and just reset it :] |
| 14:31.37 | Wethrin | Yes. This is why I'm running RedHat 7.3 still |
| 14:32.01 | gregj | i managed to convert one server from redhat 6.1 to debian remotely |
| 14:32.17 | gregj | but i had to replay the same thing at home few times, and then do this remotely |
| 14:32.45 | Wethrin | HEh |
| 14:32.46 | gregj | maybe i should even write howto about that :-) |
| 14:32.56 | Wethrin | Nah. You shouldn't switch to Debian ;-) |
| 14:33.04 | gregj | to suse ? |
| 14:33.06 | gregj | no thanks |
| 14:33.44 | zachary | gregj: Slack!(dan's vote) |
| 14:33.56 | gregj | slack is option |
| 14:34.08 | gregj | but i am most confident in debian |
| 14:34.15 | Wethrin | Slack! :) |
| 14:34.17 | gregj | or using debian, i should say |
| 14:34.32 | gregj | Wethrin: Slack yourself |
| 14:34.32 | gregj | ;P |
| 14:34.38 | Wethrin | Get Slack! |
| 14:34.55 | Leeds | Slack! |
| 14:35.34 | gregj | http://www.pld-dc.org/ |
| 14:35.53 | gregj | ;] |
| 14:36.06 | Wethrin | Bah :-P |
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| 14:36.12 | gregj | that is the only distro i know that downloads only diff of packages list on update |
| 14:36.20 | axelS | hello everybody :) |
| 14:36.22 | Wethrin | Cool |
| 14:36.22 | Wethrin | Hi |
| 14:36.32 | gregj | Wethrin: i think, you are only one that can understeand this page ;] |
| 14:37.11 | Wethrin | Can't you? |
| 14:37.12 | Wethrin | ;-) |
| 14:37.36 | gregj | hehe |
| 14:37.39 | gregj | well, i can try ;] |
| 14:37.45 | gregj | http://www.rotfl.prv.pl/dzien_zaruchanych.jpg |
| 14:38.39 | Leeds | hey axelS |
| 14:38.45 | Wethrin | Who wants a copy of VMWare 3 (boxed set)? |
| 14:38.48 | axelS | hi Leeds |
| 14:38.58 | Leeds | gregj: don't do that to people at work :-P |
| 14:39.42 | gregj | hehe |
| 14:48.34 | Wethrin | Hm. This is very very evil. |
| 14:48.43 | murble | Wethrin: howmuch? |
| 14:49.10 | Wethrin | I got an email caught by the antivirus program with the problem of 'Disallowed breakage in header name' |
| 14:49.30 | Wethrin | The spammer who sent that email has put the HTML body of the email as a header. |
| 14:50.08 | gregj | hehe |
| 14:51.07 | Wethrin | I (as postmaster-type person for this server) get sent the headers of the problem email by Clam |
| 14:51.17 | Wethrin | Message-ID: <03a381656150bb3COKEMACHINE@telco-gc.com> |
| 14:51.17 | Wethrin | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> |
| 14:51.26 | Wethrin | (and the rest of the HTML below there) |
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| 14:56.34 | Wethrin | wb |
| 14:57.39 | Wethrin | murble: VMware is free |
| 14:57.46 | axelS | thx |
| 14:59.38 | murble | Wethrin: I'd like it. |
| 14:59.56 | Wethrin | murble: Windows or Linux version? |
| 15:00.13 | highbury | VMware is NOT free |
| 15:00.15 | murble | Linux |
| 15:00.19 | Leeds | whoa! sunlight! |
| 15:00.24 | Wethrin | highbury: It is if you ask me nicely :) |
| 15:00.34 | highbury | it costs at least $99 |
| 15:00.47 | Wethrin | I have lots of boxed sets under my desk |
| 15:00.51 | highbury | pretty please, wethrin |
| 15:00.57 | highbury | 4.0 ? |
| 15:01.41 | Wethrin | Nope, I don't have 4 |
| 15:01.55 | Wethrin | Only 3.1 for Linux, 3.2 for Windows |
| 15:02.21 | highbury | then at least people can pay $99 upgrade fee, like I said |
| 15:08.14 | Wethrin | Yeh |
| 15:11.21 | gregj | it is free, you just need to extend licence every 30 days :-) |
| 15:11.36 | gregj | or renew even |
| 15:11.36 | Wethrin | With a different email address... |
| 15:11.51 | murble | murble-vmware1,murble-vmware2 ... |
| 15:12.11 | gregj | yes |
| 15:12.24 | Wethrin | :) |
| 15:12.40 | gregj | there are key-gens somewhere on the net as well ;] |
| 15:12.58 | highbury | allegedly there are cracked license keys floating around too, though I would not recommend that route |
| 15:13.20 | murble | highbury: because you are a good person! |
| 15:13.50 | highbury | cos' my machine is really to slow to run it anyway |
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| 15:19.55 | Wethrin | hi formi |
| 15:20.05 | formi | hello |
| 15:20.35 | Xiaoqi | anyone know anything abt stats and a t test? |
| 15:20.45 | Wethrin | What about it? |
| 15:21.10 | Xiaoqi | erm, i think i have royally fucked up somewhere |
| 15:21.43 | Xiaoqi | oi have to do one for my coursework, and i have managed to get a value of 17.547, where the critical value is 1.70 |
| 15:21.59 | Xiaoqi | the results were not that conclusive i didn't think! |
| 15:22.05 | Wethrin | Okay. Then it's way out, and your test failed |
| 15:22.18 | Wethrin | formi: Yes. Stop sending us your viruses :) |
| 15:22.35 | Xiaoqi | ok... |
| 15:22.49 | Xiaoqi | I'll try running it through again and see if i get something different |
| 15:22.52 | formi | the only thing I might have sent is "flamage"! |
| 15:29.20 | formi | I have a pop3 user who fetches his email every minute |
| 15:30.21 | Leeds | yeah, people do that :-( |
| 15:30.45 | murble | formi: are you using mbox? |
| 15:30.57 | formi | is there any way i could tweak pop3d to let him/everybody only fetch it once every 2/3 min? |
| 15:31.08 | formi | murble: no plain pop3d |
| 15:31.17 | murble | formi: what format of mailstore do you have? |
| 15:32.14 | formi | one second, let me clear my head |
| 15:32.33 | murble | you're blocked up? |
| 15:32.43 | formi | yes it's mbox |
| 15:32.44 | gregj | too much information :] |
| 15:32.50 | formi | murble: im flu-ed |
| 15:33.41 | Xiaoqi | blah!!!!! |
| 15:35.41 | murble | sed s#flu## <formi |
| 15:35.46 | murble | feeling better? |
| 15:36.11 | formi | imap-2001 is what i'am using, probably could mess around with the pam config |
| 15:36.41 | murble | formi: try tpop3d or somthing. |
| 15:37.13 | formi | why? |
| 15:37.28 | formi | why people always say, use something else? |
| 15:37.30 | murble | tis very configurable. |
| 15:37.41 | murble | and you might be able to restirct users logging in lots. |
| 15:37.59 | murble | formi: because it sounds like you ar running uwashington ware. |
| 15:38.15 | formi | yes i am |
| 15:38.24 | formi | and it's been working just fine |
| 15:38.47 | murble | oh I assumed you had performace problems |
| 15:40.10 | Wethrin | Only securite :) |
| 15:40.14 | Wethrin | *security |
| 16:01.09 | Wethrin | When's ic.ac.uk's open day? |
| 16:04.26 | murble | ask google. |
| 16:04.52 | Wethrin | Nah. JD knew. He told me a week or so ago |
| 16:06.01 | JD | 21st |
| 16:06.11 | JD | I need to check I can get the day off work |
| 16:06.12 | Wethrin | Hm. That's next week. |
| 16:06.23 | Wethrin | Yes, I should ask too; try and work on Thursday instead |
| 16:31.44 | Leeds | JD: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/33942.html :-) |
| 16:32.36 | Leeds | much cheaper dual... |
| 16:32.38 | Wethrin | Leeds: Can you get me one for < GBP 50? |
| 16:32.39 | Wethrin | :) |
| 16:36.36 | murble | Leeds: did you get your free case? |
| 16:37.03 | Leeds | murble: free case? |
| 16:37.14 | murble | Leeds: as in 1u thing you stick computer bits in. |
| 16:37.22 | Leeds | free? |
| 16:37.26 | murble | grais |
| 16:37.30 | murble | t |
| 16:37.36 | Leeds | where was I getting a free case? |
| 16:37.47 | Leeds | I would *like* a free case... |
| 16:37.53 | murble | s/Leeds/Wethrin/ |
| 16:37.59 | murble | that should fix it. |
| 16:38.11 | murble | stilly wrong tab compleltion. |
| 16:38.11 | Leeds | right, that makes more sense unfortunately :-) |
| 16:38.18 | Leeds | oh, that reminds me... |
| 16:38.31 | Leeds | Wethrin: it looks like we're happy with you :-) |
| 16:38.34 | Wethrin | It wasn't free :( |
| 16:38.46 | Wethrin | It was £65 for case, P3-600, 256MB RAM |
| 16:38.54 | Wethrin | (which I thought was still a good price) |
| 16:38.58 | murble | with the contents? |
| 16:39.11 | murble | that was v.cheap |
| 16:39.23 | Leeds | yes |
| 16:39.28 | Leeds | formi: huh? |
| 16:39.45 | Wethrin | Yep. Just no hard drive, so I'll stick my own ones in |
| 16:39.51 | Wethrin | Leeds: Excellent! |
| 16:39.52 | murble | formi: do you mean unusual? |
| 16:40.09 | formi | murble: nope |
| 16:40.14 | Leeds | Wethrin: we'll need to talk logistics at some point... |
| 16:40.57 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 16:42.11 | formi | I have the impression Leeds is willing to part with his money if he thinks the price is right |
| 16:42.36 | Leeds | ah... I take that as a compliment :-) |
| 16:43.25 | murble | formi: and i'm sure he'll agree with me that 0 is a very good price for some things! |
| 16:43.34 | formi | in my case I tend to put necessity over desire, even though I do fail sometimes |
| 16:44.05 | Leeds | murble: you can't beat the value for money... |
| 16:44.06 | murble | formi: that is why you have lots of computer junk? |
| 16:44.16 | murble | Leeds: we could pay you to take it! |
| 16:44.30 | Wethrin | I have to pay Leeds to take my stuff |
| 16:44.47 | Leeds | Wethrin: not if you're going to give it to us! :-) |
| 16:45.04 | Wethrin | Well.....I sort of am :) |
| 16:45.15 | formi | murble: computer junk that I mostly didn't pay for, I try not to do it anymore |
| 16:45.33 | murble | formi: you still have to pay to store it! |
| 16:45.38 | formi | does anybody want a 20" Mac monitor? |
| 16:45.45 | murble | hehehe :) |
| 16:45.51 | murble | trying to reuce your possestions? |
| 16:45.58 | Wethrin | formi: Is it LCD? |
| 16:45.59 | formi | murble: always |
| 16:46.11 | murble | is it 4:3 ? |
| 16:46.31 | formi | it's a Sony Triniton!! |
| 16:54.03 | Wethrin | I have one. It only displays green ATM. |
| 16:54.20 | murble | have you tried kicking it? |
| 16:54.20 | Leeds | cool! green screen, the way the Lord intended :-) |
| 16:54.26 | murble | I have a sony 15sfII |
| 16:54.45 | Wethrin | murble: Doesn't help. It needs soldering in the cable |
| 16:55.11 | murble | Wethrin: might be useful for theriputic reasons |
| 16:55.52 | Wethrin | Well....yes |
| 16:55.57 | Wethrin | But I have non-working monitors for that |
| 17:32.20 | formi | can somebody confirm the maxlogins in pam_limits means concurrent login sessions? |
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| 17:50.43 | Leeds | zachary: stop sending me spam |
| 17:51.10 | Wethrin | Leeds: Will you not be at the pub, then? |
| 17:51.23 | Leeds | maybe, as it happens |
| 17:51.26 | Leeds | where actually is it? |
| 17:51.40 | Wethrin | University Street is one of the roads that goes between TCR and Gower Street |
| 17:52.03 | Wethrin | 2nd one down, if you're coming from the Euston Road. |
| 17:52.10 | Leeds | right at the top then... |
| 17:52.19 | Wethrin | Yep. |
| 17:52.22 | murble | pub? |
| 17:52.28 | Wethrin | murble: Yes. On Friday. |
| 17:52.33 | Leeds | thing is, my parents are in London this weekend, and we're going to the theatre on Friday evening... |
| 17:52.48 | Wethrin | Have a beer first :) |
| 17:52.54 | Leeds | meeting at the Dominion at 7pm... so stopping in at the put on the way is easy enough |
| 17:53.09 | Wethrin | :) Dominion? You're going to see the Queen musical? |
| 17:53.13 | Leeds | yeah :-) |
| 17:53.24 | Wethrin | Cool :) The music is good. |
| 17:53.29 | Leeds | My Dad wanted to see the Jerry Springer Opera... :-) |
| 17:53.35 | Wethrin | The plot is a bit, well, contrived. But has some amusing moment. |
| 17:53.37 | Wethrin | *moments |
| 17:53.55 | Wethrin | Heh. Jerry Springer is something I'm intending to miss |
| 17:54.33 | Leeds | that reminds me... I should call my sister, who starts work tomorrow |
| 17:54.44 | zachary | bbl, gotta go cook up some grub |
| 17:54.49 | Wethrin | c'ya |
| 17:54.59 | Wethrin | Mmm. And I really should go home :) |
| 17:55.39 | Wethrin | In fact, I shall go home right now. |
| 17:55.42 | Wethrin | Back in a couple of hours! |
| 17:55.51 | Leeds | seeya |
| 17:59.24 | Leeds | ibot sing |
| 17:59.25 | | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" |
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| 18:16.41 | formi | zachary: are you there? |
| 18:19.16 | formi | if anybody has next friday morning free, http://lists.consume.net/pipermail/consume-thenet/2003-November/008406.html |
| 18:23.34 | murble | formi: friday week? |
| 18:24.09 | formi | sorry, this friday |
| 18:24.25 | formi | http://www.dmzlondon.net/ |
| 18:25.28 | JD | is this the shrubbery visit? |
| 18:26.34 | stephen | The Knights demand another shrubbery! |
| 18:27.32 | formi | you bloody make things illogical with your language!! |
| 18:28.13 | stephen | it's Monty Python, of course its illogical |
| 18:35.17 | formi | the proof some software is utterly bug ridden |
| 18:35.35 | formi | http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/screen3.png |
| 18:35.44 | Leeds | Ni! |
| 18:35.45 | Leeds | blah |
| 18:35.58 | Leeds | apparently the load on freedesktop.org has topped 500 |
| 18:36.46 | formi | let's hope this will draw developers to it |
| 18:37.33 | Leeds | as long as the machine doesn't melt... |
| 18:37.34 | Leeds | ibot jg |
| 18:37.35 | | rumour has it, jg is Jim Gettys, HP Labs or available in handy icon form: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/jgico.png, or has a leg up on the rest of us, or mostly healed. |
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| 18:48.07 | Leeds | spammers are getting really lazy: |
| 18:48.08 | Leeds | resuDaed: ND_UC_CHAR[2-8], of his poem |
| 18:48.17 | Leeds | huh???? |
| 18:50.11 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 18:50.14 | Leeds | hmm... that's not what I cut'n'pasted |
| 18:50.23 | JD | formi: a shrubbery is made up from shrubs |
| 18:50.27 | JD | a shrub is like a bush |
| 18:50.35 | JD | George bush is a twat |
| 18:50.53 | Leeds | um... |
| 18:51.03 | Leeds | I thought the point was that a shrub was a little bush? |
| 18:51.16 | JD | Leeds: still works |
| 18:51.17 | formi | i was referring to "next friday" ! |
| 18:51.26 | JD | formi: so was I |
| 18:52.59 | formi | for us logical latinos, next friday is the 14th of Nov |
| 18:53.34 | Leeds | no |
| 18:53.38 | Leeds | that's this friday |
| 18:53.57 | formi | illogically so |
| 18:54.07 | Leeds | why? |
| 18:54.14 | Leeds | what should "this friday" mean? |
| 18:55.07 | formi | next means the following one |
| 18:55.20 | Leeds | what should "this friday" mean? |
| 18:55.29 | formi | it means the same |
| 18:55.35 | formi | for us |
| 18:55.47 | JD | next means to next one to arrive |
| 18:55.48 | Leeds | see, to me, "next"="the one after this" |
| 18:55.56 | JD | Leeds: well that is just stupid |
| 18:56.10 | Leeds | why? |
| 18:56.31 | Leeds | this Friday is this week. next Friday is next week |
| 18:56.40 | formi | Leeds: the one after this day, here being wednesday therefore next friday = 14th |
| 18:57.25 | Leeds | not to me |
| 18:57.38 | Leeds | hence, of course, it's always safest to specify a date |
| 18:57.54 | Leeds | anyway |
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| 19:26.16 | Leeds | argh |
| 19:31.42 | formi | is that this argh or next argh? |
| 19:32.42 | Leeds | last argh |
| 19:32.56 | formi | sysctl -w kern.brain-irony=1 |
| 19:33.35 | formi | are you watching the news? |
| 19:33.41 | Leeds | no |
| 19:34.08 | formi | they showed a video with the english bloke help by the colombian guerrilla |
| 19:34.18 | formi | s/help/held |
| 19:35.12 | formi | he sayd: I have started smoking again, hard circumtances call for hard measures |
| 19:35.21 | formi | s/sayd/said |
| 19:35.45 | formi | pretty lame excuse to endulge on marihuana |
| 19:37.09 | formi | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/12/1923203.shtml?tid=126&tid=172&tid=187&tid=95 |
| 19:38.57 | Leeds | blame gregj and pawelsz |
| 19:40.34 | formi | well the net is over-commercialized, businesses use and abuse it, |
| 19:40.55 | formi | shame they don't target spammers |
| 19:41.37 | formi | If a small country contains a source of DDOS attacks, wouldn't it make sense for whoever is upstream to pull their plug? Perhaps the corporate-controlled US government will eventually use threats of sanctions/conquest to bring this about... |
| 19:41.58 | Leeds | I'm sure they will |
| 19:42.00 | formi | well here we go again |
| 19:42.10 | Leeds | but Poland's not a small country |
| 19:42.35 | formi | the U$ should start by pulling itself out of the internet completely |
| 19:43.27 | formi | they are always complaining about the rest of the world, when they are the worst by miles |
| 19:53.27 | formi | is it just me or reading posts on slashdot is a highly frustating experience? |
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| 20:09.26 | zachary | formi: The commercial side of the US will only pull out of the internet when they experience consistant loss of profits because ot it. |
| 20:10.49 | formi | greed can cloud some brains for a long time! |
| 20:11.31 | zachary | yes it does! =-( |
| 20:11.42 | formi | ie, dot.com bubble, enron... |
| 20:13.12 | formi | big cos complaining they are being blackmailed, and what about all the time we spend dealing with their "money saving offers"? |
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| 20:40.14 | zachary | wb highbury, I have kid problems, so I'm not really here. |
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| 20:42.03 | formi | Clyphox: |
| 20:43.47 | Clyphox | formi: |
| 20:44.25 | formi | did I give/sell you an O'Reilly Imap book? |
| 20:56.01 | formi | shall I get the bus to Enfield? |
| 21:29.25 | Jenson | hiya Clyphox |
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| 21:48.58 | Jenson | lol congrats Wethrin |
| 22:00.34 | stephanb | Wethrin: meaning it boots off a cd and keeps user data on a usb key ? |
| 22:00.55 | Jenson | no |
| 22:00.59 | Jenson | he means SCSI |
| 22:01.05 | stephanb | i thought so |
| 22:01.09 | Wethrin | She's right, you know. |
| 22:01.16 | stephanb | just trying to be funny and stuff |
| 22:01.27 | Wethrin | :) |
| 22:01.31 | Jenson | Wethrin: how are you doing lately? |
| 22:01.52 | Wethrin | Define the timeframe spanning 'lately' |
| 22:02.03 | Jenson | in the last 2 weeks or so since i saw you at gllug |
| 22:02.23 | Wethrin | I'm doing okay |
| 22:02.26 | Jenson | good good |
| 22:03.19 | Wethrin | Will see.... :) |
| 22:03.31 | stephanb | if this goes on, Jenson will pretty soon join a yoga class... |
| 22:03.35 | Jenson | well, i cant see me managing the first one |
| 22:03.45 | Jenson | i mean, i just love men, i cant help it |
| 22:05.32 | Jenson | ok, thats not true, i could help it, but i'd probably have to be tied up |
| 22:05.42 | Jenson | I got one of those cool ann summers style whips today |
| 22:05.44 | Jenson | from ebay |
| 22:06.30 | Jenson | ok....TMI again, although i still dunno why i bought it |
| 22:06.30 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
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| 22:22.52 | Jenson | should have been home like 30 mins ago |
| 22:24.56 | Jenson | ping everyone |
| 22:28.58 | formi_hoover | Oh my GOD!! She's more disturbed than we thought, she even worries about her parents!!! |
| 22:29.24 | Jenson | formi: well, when a mate dies in a car crash one thends to worry |
| 22:29.28 | Jenson | anyway how are you? |
| 22:29.33 | Jenson | s/thends/tends |
| 22:29.53 | formi | sadly you can get used to that |
| 22:30.01 | Jenson | ooh they are home |
| 22:31.01 | formi | I shall not mention the gory details |
| 22:32.04 | Jenson | can if you wish |
| 22:33.25 | formi | I have some mates over, so I must be a good host!! |
| 22:33.33 | Jenson | heh, go on then |
| 22:44.01 | Jenson | bed time |
| 22:44.02 | Jenson | night all |
| 22:44.45 | axelS | hello agai |
| 22:44.47 | axelS | n |
| 22:44.48 | axelS | even |
| 22:45.16 | Wethrin | hi |
| 22:45.25 | Jenson|Away | heya axelS |
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| 22:45.28 | Jenson|Away | and bye all |
| 22:45.28 | axelS | there are some ppl you can always count on ;-) |
| 22:45.34 | axelS | by Jenson|Away |
| 22:45.45 | axelS | bye even |
| 22:46.18 | axelS | Wethrin, do you mind if I ask you a (relatively) simple apache question? |
| 22:47.27 | Wethrin | I don't mind. Do you want an answer? |
| 22:47.52 | axelS | i'd love one :) |
| 22:48.16 | Wethrin | :) |
| 22:48.46 | axelS | i'm trying to convince apache to read from /~axel/ but it's still the 403 even though I changed the public_html to axel:apache and added myself to that group |
| 22:49.14 | Wethrin | Did you set UserDir in httpd.conf? |
| 22:49.24 | axelS | yep |
| 22:49.29 | axelS | it's all good - hang on |
| 22:49.37 | axelS | try http://axels.homeip.net/ |
| 22:49.46 | axelS | you should get the info page... |
| 22:50.12 | stephen | indeed |
| 22:50.17 | axelS | but http://axels.homeip.net/~axel/ gives 403 |
| 22:50.21 | axelS | good good :) |
| 22:50.23 | axelS | hi stephen |
| 22:50.29 | stephen | evening axelS |
| 22:50.56 | axelS | question is: what the heck am i doing wrong? |
| 22:51.22 | axelS | also made sure it's 711 for the public_html and 755 for the files inside |
| 22:51.44 | Wethrin | I think your home directory needs to be +x |
| 22:52.01 | axelS | sec |
| 22:52.22 | murble | axelS: presuabbly 644 for normal files. |
| 22:52.28 | axelS | drwx--x--x 2 axel apache 4096 Nov 12 22:39 public_html |
| 22:52.54 | Wethrin | What about /home/axelS ? |
| 22:53.03 | axelS | when i write to it (say vim somenew.html) it reverts to axel:axel and the usual permissions |
| 22:53.05 | zachary | chmod g+w |
| 22:53.13 | axelS | hi murble and zachary |
| 22:53.17 | zachary | hey |
| 22:53.22 | murble | axelS: why apache? |
| 22:53.35 | Wethrin | It's better than IIS |
| 22:53.37 | murble | axelS: strikes me as a bad idea if that is what apache runs as. |
| 22:53.47 | murble | Wethrin: owner. |
| 22:53.51 | murble | s/owner/group/ |
| 22:53.56 | Wethrin | Ah. :) |
| 22:54.20 | Wethrin | Is it a good idea to have /tmp as a separate filesystem? Or would it be okay to symlink it to, say, /usr/tmp ? |
| 22:54.22 | axelS | drwx-w---- 34 axel axel 4096 Nov 12 22:43 axel |
| 22:54.25 | Wethrin | Or is that a Bad Idea |
| 22:54.33 | Wethrin | chmod a+x /home/axel |
| 22:54.35 | Wethrin | Should work then |
| 22:54.40 | axelS | murble: 'cause apache rules :) |
| 22:54.42 | murble | axelS: you don't want that either. |
| 22:55.33 | axelS | thanks a million Wethrin |
| 22:55.37 | Wethrin | np :) |
| 22:55.41 | axelS | it works (http://axels.homeip.net/~axel/) |
| 22:55.53 | Wethrin | :-) |
| 22:56.17 | Wethrin | Right. Now I've answered your question, care to try and answer mine? :-) |
| 22:56.38 | axelS | hmm, so how come it makes new files axel:axel? (-rw-rw-r-- 1 axel axel 4 Nov 12 22:56 test.html) |
| 22:56.52 | murble | axelS: just 604 will do. |
| 22:56.54 | axelS | it should be -rwxr-xr-x 1 axel apache 99 Nov 12 22:39 index.html, shouldn't it? |
| 22:57.04 | murble | axelS: no requirement for apache group. |
| 22:57.05 | axelS | Wethrin: I'll try :) |
| 22:57.07 | Wethrin | :) |
| 22:57.10 | axelS | hmm |
| 22:57.25 | Wethrin | (question is a few lines above) |
| 22:57.41 | axelS | murble: true... d'oh! thanks |
| 22:57.46 | axelS | Wethrin: sec |
| 22:57.50 | Wethrin | k :) |
| 22:57.58 | axelS | ah, /tmp |
| 22:58.04 | Wethrin | Yeh |
| 22:58.52 | axelS | got /tmp -> /usr/tmp on mine by default |
| 22:59.00 | Wethrin | Okay, that's fine, then :) |
| 22:59.02 | axelS | don't really see a reason for making it a seperate fs |
| 22:59.10 | axelS | i would think so :) |
| 23:03.49 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 23:03.59 | Wethrin | eek! |
| 23:05.14 | Xiaoqi | lol |
| 23:23.42 | Wethrin | :( |
| 23:24.27 | murble | disk? |
| 23:24.59 | Leeds | what? |
| 23:29.36 | axelS | hmmm |
| 23:30.06 | Leeds | I think the TiVo has decided the filesystem is screwed and 'repaired' it |
| 23:31.13 | Wethrin | Heh |
| 23:31.39 | Wethrin | Would those dodgy computer shops on TCR sell CPU fans? |
| 23:31.56 | Leeds | sure |
| 23:32.13 | axelS | Wethrin: I bet they do |
| 23:32.30 | Wethrin | Good. I shall do that tomorrow |
| 23:32.37 | Wethrin | Leeds: Good plan :) |
| 23:32.45 | axelS | btw. what's an easy way to install new modules to apache? |
| 23:32.50 | Wethrin | Plus I need to talk to you about logistics |
| 23:32.56 | murble | execpt the theatre bit, i think it is a great idea! |
| 23:32.59 | Wethrin | axelS: LoadModule and AddModule |
| 23:33.04 | Wethrin | murble: Theatre is good. :) |
| 23:33.15 | Wethrin | And it's not even in the Green Man, so I expect to see you there :-P |
| 23:33.16 | murble | Wethrin: but is there any theatre left when pubs close? |
| 23:33.34 | Wethrin | No... |
| 23:33.43 | murble | well then, i see a big problem. |
| 23:33.58 | Leeds | is there no late-night theatre in London? shame... |
| 23:34.06 | Wethrin | Theatre is good, though. Can go to pub after theatre |
| 23:34.34 | Leeds | no offense guys... but bringing my parents and sister to meet y'all is *not* in the plan |
| 23:35.10 | Wethrin | Hrm. Two days ago I downloaded OpenBSD 3.4. Yesterday I burned it onto CD. Today, LinuxUser+Developer arrives, with OpenBSD 3.4 as its cover CD. |
| 23:35.12 | Leeds | I have some shred of dignity left there :-P |
| 23:35.28 | Wethrin | Geeks are very dignified. Sometimes. |
| 23:36.07 | murble | Wethrin: I didn't think they belived in CDrom distribution! |
| 23:36.49 | Wethrin | You can buy their CDs, or you can make your own ISOs and redistribute them |
| 23:37.09 | Wethrin | What you can't do is take their own CDs and redistribute them |
| 23:38.54 | Wethrin | Heh: https://https.openbsd.org/images/tshirt-20b.gif |
| 23:39.16 | murble | Wethrin: bet you can! |
| 23:40.13 | Wethrin | Wethrin: There's nothing to physically stop you. But the layout itself is copyrighted by Theo, and he doesn't want redistribution of his particular ISO image |
| 23:40.57 | Wethrin | <quote> |
| 23:41.04 | Wethrin | he OpenBSD project does not make the ISO images used to master the official CDs available for download. The reason is simply that we would like you to buy the CD sets, helping fund ongoing OpenBSD development. The official OpenBSD CD-ROM layout is copyright Theo de Raadt. Theo does not permit people to redistribute images of the official OpenBSD CDs. As an incentive for people to buy the CD set, some extras are included in the package as well (artwork, s |
| 23:41.10 | Wethrin | </quote> |
| 23:41.29 | Wethrin | http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html#ISO |
| 23:43.43 | Wethrin | Right. I'm off to bed. |
| 23:43.46 | Wethrin | Good night, everyone |
| 23:46.56 | axelS | gn8 Wethrin |
