irclog2html for #gllug on 20031115

`01:03.27`	`axelS-zZz`	`gn8 all`
`02:23.15`	`Clyphox`	`re`
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`05:16.02`	`*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: 6th December, Westminster University. http://www.gllug.ukfsn.org`
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`05:27.43`	`*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: 6th December, Westminster University. http://www.gllug.ukfsn.org`
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`07:45.54`	`JD`	`moin`
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`11:40.49`	`JD`	`anyone awake?`
`11:41.42`	`stephen`	`morning`
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`12:44.29`	`dankolb`	`Hi`
`12:47.55`	`JD`	`hi dankolb`
`12:48.00`	`JD`	`09:54 * JD wonders why he had a dankolb user account on his laptop (and more importantly why it had a copy of his ~/.ssh/ in dankolb's`
`12:48.04`	`JD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:52.34`	`dankolb`	`Umm.....you gave me access so I could copy something to your laptop. Or the other way around.`
`12:53.23`	`JD`	`oh, still doesn;t explain the .ssh stuff`
`12:53.34`	`JD`	`ho hum`
`12:53.41`	`dankolb`	`You've broken something? :)`
`12:53.44`	`JD`	`I must have done that for a reason`
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`12:58.05`	`dankolb`	`Hey skugg`
`12:58.11`	`skugg`	`hi dan ;)`
`12:58.12`	`dankolb`	`JD: Probably something you've forgotten`
`12:58.19`	`skugg`	`s,;,:,`
`12:58.35`	`JD`	`dankolb: thanks of that`
`12:58.45`	`JD`	`I would never have worked that one out myself :)`
`12:58.49`	`skugg`	`new job dan? (since I spoke to you at least?)`
`13:00.17`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`13:00.23`	`dankolb`	`skugg: Part-time at SUSE.`
`13:00.30`	`dankolb`	`And full-time MSc student.`
`13:00.42`	`skugg`	`dankolb: congrats :)`
`13:01.17`	`dankolb`	`Thanks :)`
`13:02.53`	`JD`	`dankolb: s/SuSE/Novell/`
`13:03.04`	`dankolb`	`Yes..`
`13:05.17`	`dankolb`	`Anyone got any idea what the equivalent of 'badblocks' is under (Open)BSD?`
`13:06.05`	`JD`	`you could try man fsck`
`13:06.08`	`dankolb`	`I did.`
`13:06.12`	`dankolb`	`No luck.`
`13:06.55`	`JD`	`google?`
`13:08.18`	`zachary`	`bbl`
`13:08.23`	`dankolb`	`Have fun!`
`13:10.39`	`highbury`	`fsck -c ?`
`13:10.51`	`dankolb`	`Nah. That's Linux`
`13:11.12`	`dankolb`	`Bah.`
`13:11.17`	`dankolb`	`dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null`
`13:23.20`	`JD`	`dankolb: you may want to use a bs=`
`13:28.05`	`dankolb`	`I might. Yes.`
`13:28.12`	`dankolb`	`What would you think is optimal?`
`13:29.20`	`dankolb`	`1M seems to be good`
`13:29.29`	`dankolb`	`8Mbytes/sec`
`13:36.03`	`dankolb`	`Bwah. 97 spams in about 24 hours.`
`13:36.11`	`dankolb`	`I NEED MY SPAMASSASSIN BACK!`
`13:38.40`	`dankolb`	`I found 1-2 a day to be just about acceptable.`
`13:38.47`	`dankolb`	`But not almost 100.`
`13:39.12`	`JD`	`oh I probably get about 2-30 tha slips through the net`
`13:39.30`	`JD`	`I've just chaged my procmailrc to save spams`
`13:39.44`	`dankolb`	`I devnulled my spams`
`13:39.53`	`JD`	`yes me too`
`13:40.03`	`JD`	`but I want to know how many I get`
`13:41.10`	`dankolb`	`Too many :)`
`13:41.24`	`JD`	`probably`
`13:41.43`	`dankolb`	`>0 is too many`
`13:42.22`	`JD`	`it is also unrealistic`
`13:47.40`	`dankolb`	`True`
`13:53.28`	`dankolb`	`Heh. Who's playing catchup to whom now?`
`13:54.57`	`dankolb`	`Heh. Why did it win that? Reliability? Support?`
`13:55.18`	`JD`	`fuck knows but I won't be read much more of this mag`
`13:56.13`	`dankolb`	`Would you continue reading it if they said Debian was the project of the year? :)`
`13:56.42`	`JD`	`at least that is believable`
`13:57.01`	`dankolb`	`Heh`
`13:59.07`	`JD`	`holy fuck - nano-itx`
`13:59.18`	`JD`	`12cm x 12cm`
`14:03.28`	`eye69`	`JD: Pricey?`
`14:04.01`	`JD`	`no idea yet`
`14:11.10`	`dankolb`	`30 minutes of reading?`
`14:12.35`	`JD`	`PCW - crap magazine`
`14:12.53`	`dankolb`	`Ah`
`14:19.06`	`pawelsz`	`hello. :-)`
`14:20.43`	`pawelsz`	`:q!`
`14:20.45`	`pawelsz`	`ups.`
`14:20.49`	`pawelsz`	`not here.`
`14:20.50`	`pawelsz`	`;-)`
`14:21.24`	`dankolb`	`Hello`
`14:21.28`	`dankolb`	`IRC is not vim`
`14:21.31`	`dankolb`	`Or even vi`
`14:21.42`	`JD`	`dankolb: but is vim irc?`
`14:22.00`	`dankolb`	`No. But you can get IRC for emacs`
`14:22.57`	`dankolb`	`Urgh`
`14:23.21`	`JD`	`are you a vim man?`
`14:23.34`	`dankolb`	`Sometimes :)`
`14:23.38`	`dankolb`	`I use both vi(m) and emacs`
`14:23.40`	`JD`	`pico?`
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`14:24.40`	`dankolb`	`Only when I use Pine`
`14:24.42`	`dankolb`	`Hi McLeeds`
`14:24.51`	`Leeds_mac`	`morning all`
`14:25.27`	`dankolb`	`What did you think of the show?`
`14:25.36`	`Leeds_mac`	`good`
`14:25.39`	`Leeds_mac`	`loud...`
`14:26.07`	`Leeds_mac`	`except they had to stop it twice for set breakdowns :-(`
`14:26.19`	`dankolb`	`:-(`
`14:26.23`	`JD`	`dankolb: doubely evil then?`
`14:26.25`	`dankolb`	`That's not so good`
`14:26.27`	`dankolb`	`JD: Yes`
`14:26.57`	`JD`	`what show?`
`14:27.04`	`dankolb`	`We Will Rock You`
`14:27.53`	`JD`	`and did they?`
`14:28.24`	`Leeds_mac`	`first time, something was leaking above the stage - they had to bring on a cherry-picker-type-thing and set a crew member up to empty it out, and clean the stage up and so on - took a while`
`14:28.50`	`Leeds_mac`	`second time, the hydraulic raised bit at the front of the stage got stuck and wouldn't go down :-(`
`14:29.11`	`Leeds_mac`	`apart from that - yes, they did rock :-)`
`14:34.32`	`Leeds_mac`	`and then we went wandering around - my Dad wanted to get food at a diner/bar he'd seen in Time Out, which had already stopped serving food at 11pm... so we found an Italian place in Soho... ended up on the last train back to Watford from Euston... got to bed after 3... hence just woke up :-)`
`14:35.14`	`eye69`	`Leeds_mac: Nice`
`14:40.55`	`JD`	`right should I set up ldap or DNS?`
`14:41.13`	`JD`	`well a bind backend or an ldap backend`
`14:41.33`	`JD`	`must get samba working with ldap`
`14:41.38`	`eye69`	`Backend for what?`
`14:41.41`	`eye69`	`JD: Ewwww`
`14:41.54`	`JD`	`eye69: pwoerdns`
`14:41.57`	`eye69`	`JD: I've had huge problems getting Samba PDC/LDAP working`
`14:42.11`	`JD`	`eye69: well ldap is going to happen what ever`
`14:42.23`	`JD`	`it just depends on whether I deal with it now or later`
`14:42.32`	`eye69`	`Postfix is fully working, and so is posix accounts. Samba accounts is also working fine, but the PDC gets to me`
`14:42.39`	`JD`	`and I'm getting fed up of refering to all my machines by IP address`
`14:43.02`	`dankolb`	`/etc/hosts`
`14:43.09`	`eye69`	`LDAP is nice.`
`14:43.14`	`JD`	`dankolb: that isn;t a solution`
`14:43.36`	`JD`	`I'm already at 6 machines (7 if you include the windows gateway)`
`14:43.44`	`dankolb`	`That's not much :)`
`14:44.07`	`JD`	`dankolb: they keep multiplying`
`14:45.28`	`eye69`	`I've got only 3 machines running, and I run my own DNS.`
`14:46.52`	`dankolb`	`I tended to use /etc/hosts - didn't require to have a DNS server running`
`14:47.33`	`JD`	`dankolb: dns is just a byproduct of having pam_ldap`
`14:47.44`	`dankolb`	`Hmm`
`14:49.12`	`eye69`	`Going to the office to change over from 256k leased line to 1Mb WiFi`
`14:49.55`	`eye69`	`JD: Are you going to run a Samba PDC/LDAP? If so, I would like to share (and hopefully gain) knowledge.`
`14:50.30`	`JD`	`eye69: not sure yet`
`14:50.34`	`JD`	`I have lots of reading to do`
`14:51.19`	`eye69`	`Anyway, poof`
`14:51.28`	`JD`	`who you calling a poof`
`14:51.31`	`JD`	`:)`
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`14:53.24`	`dankolb`	`Two Leeds`
`14:54.05`	`Leeds_mac`	`where?`
`14:54.22`	`Leeds_mac`	`oh, there...`
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`14:54.42`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`15:24.20`	`pawelsz`	`7;-p`
`15:24.45`	`Leeds`	`at your local video/DVD library?`
`15:25.10`	`Leeds`	`i.e. Blockbuster? :-)`
`15:26.05`	`dankolb`	`Mmm. I like quotas that are piss-easy to set up :)`
`15:26.42`	`pawelsz`	`Leeds: i was on meeting, but before u.`
`15:27.10`	`pawelsz`	`Leeds: i think in my divx library. ;-p`
`15:27.15`	`Leeds`	`pawelsz: you have bittorrent and the bandwidth for it?`
`15:29.16`	`Leeds`	`you mean you got there after me?`
`15:29.54`	`pawelsz`	`right.`
`15:29.58`	`pawelsz`	`again.`
`15:29.59`	`pawelsz`	`;-)`
`15:31.40`	`pawelsz`	`we ate some really good. ;-)`
`15:32.19`	`Leeds`	`I had some very nice soup`
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`15:45.18`	`Jenson`	`heya all`
`15:45.31`	`Leeds`	`morning`
`15:45.36`	`Leeds`	`argh`
`15:45.58`	`Jenson`	`hiya Leeds`
`15:48.03`	`Jenson`	`ive been helping my granny do her christmas shopping`
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`15:58.45`	`Jenson`	`heya`
`15:59.28`	`Cope`	`Hi jenson`
`16:00.09`	`Jenson`	`hows you and Sophie?`
`16:00.21`	`Cope`	`Okay - she has a big tummy and I am working hard!`
`16:01.18`	`Jenson`	`has she got extremely big or is it still manageable?`
`16:01.43`	`Cope`	`She can still walk around, slowly.`
`16:03.44`	`Leeds`	`when's she due?`
`16:03.55`	`Cope`	`Just over 4 weeks`
`16:04.16`	`Leeds`	`ah... Christmas baby ;-)`
`16:04.20`	`Cope`	`Indeed!`
`16:04.49`	`Leeds`	`my sister's b'day is the 26th`
`16:05.07`	`Leeds`	`obviously not a Christmas thing in my family...`
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`16:05.37`	`Jenson`	`woopsie, X crash`
`16:05.43`	`Cope`	`Leeds - can you recommend a database program that will enable me to enter data into fields, and then print either reports or something like a card with all the data in one place, record by record?`
`16:05.53`	`Cope`	`I'm on the 24th Dec :o)`
`16:06.53`	`Cope`	`'Example: Name, address, phone number, favourite saying. Print report sorted by saying, or print all the records one after the other.`
`16:07.45`	`Jenson`	`I'm no good at databasing`
`16:08.41`	`Leeds`	`not particularly... you could look at gaby - otherwise I'd probably write my own - Python with either a real DB backend or just a file or something`
`16:09.21`	`Cope`	`You know the sort of thing... you configure the database so that you enter Name, address, etc in several fields; one record containing several bits of information.`
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`16:13.05`	`Cope`	`okay - so I try to go to the gaby webpage and end up at easter-eggs.com !?`
`16:13.19`	`Jenson`	`hiya armijn`
`16:13.32`	`Leeds`	`no idea, but I'll have a nice chocolatey one :0-)`
`16:13.34`	`Jenson`	`Cope: lol is easter-eggs.com any good?`
`16:13.55`	`Cope`	`Not much use, Jenson :o(`
`16:14.23`	`armijn`	`hiya`
`16:14.29`	`Leeds`	`hey armijn`
`16:14.36`	`armijn`	`hi leeds`
`16:14.48`	`Cope`	`Basically, I have to create a whole load of records on literal cards... but I also want an electronic version so I can make reports.`
`16:15.04`	`Cope`	`I was going ti do the electronic bit in a spreadsheet.`
`16:15.09`	`Cope`	`And the card bit by hand.`
`16:15.15`	`Leeds`	`I'd probably write my own app - wouldn't take too long`
`16:15.34`	`Cope`	`But if I can type it all in, and then print out the records record by record, that would be super.`
`16:16.02`	`Cope`	`Then i can just glue the printouts onto the cards.`
`16:16.12`	`Cope`	`(The physical cards are needed)`
`16:16.17`	`Leeds`	`how many records?`
`16:16.31`	`Cope`	`50 - 300`
`16:16.48`	`Jenson`	`the only databasing ive ever done was with Access in ICT at school`
`16:16.56`	`armijn`	`hmm, which bluetooth USB thing works OK on Linux?`
`16:16.59`	`dankolb`	`Access isn't a proper database`
`16:17.11`	`armijn`	`dankolb: why not proper?`
`16:17.15`	`Leeds`	`dankolb: I understand it's a decent database front-end`
`16:17.24`	`dankolb`	`Yes. But the backend is lacking`
`16:17.29`	`armijn`	`dankolb: for some tasks it might be just enough`
`16:17.30`	`Leeds`	`armijn: check the Linux-USB pages?`
`16:17.49`	`armijn`	`leeds: that might be an idea...but some people (read: you) might have experience with it :)`
`16:17.54`	`dankolb`	`armijn: Use pen and paper then :-)`
`16:18.07`	`armijn`	`leeds: you going to sunnetwork in berlin?`
`16:18.21`	`Cope`	`Anyway, I don't have time or ability to write my own, so if there was an access-like application, that would be cool :o)`
`16:19.00`	`Jenson`	`Cope: dont you have a windows install?`
`16:19.07`	`Leeds`	`armijn: doubt it`
`16:19.33`	`armijn`	`leeds: bummer`
`16:20.00`	`Jenson`	`armijn: you ever going to come over here for gllug and meet us all?`
`16:20.09`	`dankolb`	`He already knows some of us`
`16:20.14`	`Leeds`	`Jenson: he's met most of us`
`16:20.21`	`Jenson`	`true`
`16:20.31`	`dankolb`	`This is why he's an honourary Londoner\`
`16:20.34`	`Jenson`	`he'd have met me too if id have gone to FOSDEM`
`16:20.46`	`Cope`	`Jenson - I have XP but I don't use it.`
`16:20.57`	`Jenson`	`Cope: well, you can use it for Access`
`16:21.04`	`Jenson`	`I have a copy of Office XP`
`16:21.07`	`Jenson`	`not mine`
`16:21.09`	`Jenson`	`my mothers`
`16:21.17`	`armijn`	`jenson: maybe when I got a week of free time I'll go to .uk`
`16:21.19`	`Jenson`	`i have Office 97 too`
`16:21.19`	`dankolb`	`Ho hum. Rebuilding mysql - maybe it'll build the server component too.`
`16:21.41`	`dankolb`	`env SUBPACKAGE=-server make`
`16:24.08`	`Leeds`	`does Sophie know you're messing around with Gaby?`
`16:24.25`	`dankolb`	`Hm. cvsup. I should cvs update the OpenBSD trees`
`16:24.33`	`dankolb`	`Later, maybe. Can be done when server is in place.`
`16:26.53`	`dankolb`	`Right. Time to bugger off for a bit`
`16:27.03`	`Jenson`	`seeya dankolb`
`16:27.08`	`Leeds`	`seeya`
`16:30.36`	`Leeds`	`Clone Wars good`
`16:34.44`	`armijn`	`FOSDEM 2004 is a bit late in feb`
`16:35.12`	`armijn`	`just before ukuug winter conf`
`16:36.03`	`JD`	`armijn: annoying isn;t it`
`16:36.13`	`JD`	`dn;t think I'll be going to ukuug`
`16:37.10`	`armijn`	`well, I won't be going to ukuug anyway...already have tickets for Dropkick Murphys concert on feb 25th`
`16:45.58`	`Jenson`	`JD: how are you?`
`16:48.01`	`JD`	`okay`
`16:48.08`	`dankolb`	`Hrm`
`16:48.46`	`Jenson`	`Hrm dankolb, that doesnt sound good`
`16:48.55`	`dankolb`	`It never does`
`16:51.49`	`dankolb`	`Hm`
`16:53.03`	`Jenson`	`well, if thats not gonna help then i havent got anything else to offer :)`
`16:54.54`	`armijn`	`hmmm....new PC at Aldi here...cheap...`
`16:55.08`	`Jenson`	`yeh`
`16:55.14`	`Jenson`	`i kjeep meanign to go in Aldi and look`
`16:55.18`	`Jenson`	`maybe i'll go on monday`
`16:55.18`	`armijn`	`tempting`
`16:55.28`	`dankolb`	`PCs are shit`
`16:55.59`	`Clyphox`	`yes`
`16:56.07`	`armijn`	`dankolb: operating systems on non-PC hardware are shit (except Mac stuff)`
`16:56.30`	`dankolb`	`All OSes stuck. All hardware sucks.`
`16:56.42`	`armijn`	`unless you actually enjoy working with things like HP-UX`
`16:57.27`	`dankolb`	`Heh`
`16:57.28`	`dankolb`	`Dunno`
`16:58.29`	`dankolb`	`Where's the hostname of a machine stored on DeadRat systems?`
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`17:00.25`	`dankolb`	`Woohoo! mysql-server built :) My command-line was Correct`
`17:00.39`	`JD`	`dankolb: /etc/hostname?`
`17:00.52`	`dankolb`	`No. That would be sensible.`
`17:01.41`	`dankolb`	`/etc/hostname or /etc/HOSTNAME tend to be used under better systems/distributions :)`
`17:04.53`	`armijn`	`dankolb: try /etc/sysconfig/network`
`17:05.48`	`dankolb`	`Yes, thanks :) grep is useful :)`
`17:11.42`	`armijn`	`food time`
`17:11.54`	`dankolb`	`Likewise. Maybe. :)`
`17:29.22`	`Jenson`	`im off to have a bath then dinner after that, might be back online later before i go out baby sitting, dunno yet`
`17:29.25`	`Jenson`	`bye all`
`17:30.11`	`dankolb`	`bye`
`17:31.01`	`Jenson`	`and dankolb if the server gets back up leave me a mail with my username/password if its different, you have my email dont you?`
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`18:07.49`	`Leeds`	`oh, so that's the colour of my kitchen floor!`
`18:22.51`	`dankolb`	`Why does she think I'll give her another user on the rebuilt server?`
`18:24.09`	`Leeds`	`why wouldn't you?`
`18:24.18`	`dankolb`	`Do you think I should?`
`18:24.58`	`Leeds`	`did she have an account on the old box? did you remove that account?`
`18:25.03`	`dankolb`	`Yes, and no.`
`18:25.18`	`Leeds`	`then why would you not give her an account on the new box?`
`18:25.33`	`dankolb`	`But when this server was replaced, I wasn't planning on recreating the user accounts (i.e. not making it a general shell-access box)`
`18:25.51`	`Leeds`	`well you might want to say that then :-)`
`18:26.01`	`dankolb`	`I did, I think :)`
`18:26.23`	`Leeds`	`to her?`
`18:26.49`	`dankolb`	`In general, here. I think, anyway :)`
`18:27.12`	`dankolb`	`Oh what lovely clueful people at Rackshack:`
`18:27.24`	`dankolb`	`There are various reasons why a server will report a kenel panic (kp).`
`18:27.44`	`Leeds`	`I get panics all the time on Solaris... but not for a very long time on Linux`
`18:27.48`	`dankolb`	`At this point there is only one resolution to this problem and that is a`
`18:28.05`	`dankolb`	`Gah. Stupid fucking piece of shit XChat.`
`18:28.07`	`dankolb`	`cough`
`18:28.09`	`Leeds`	`(and I get them on Solaris because I've introduced a bug)`
`18:28.25`	`dankolb`	`Bad Leeds! You're not supposed to get people to switch away from Solaris by breaking it.`
`18:28.27`	`dankolb`	`That's bad form!`
`18:28.37`	`Leeds`	`hey!!! internal, personal builds only :-)`
`18:29.05`	`dankolb`	`Leak it :)`
`18:29.29`	`Leeds`	`um... no`
`18:30.28`	`dankolb`	`The network connection to $OLDSERVER is really quite shit`
`18:31.23`	`Leeds`	`and, apparently, $OLDSERVER itself is pretty bad :-P`
`18:31.42`	`dankolb`	`Yes :)`
`18:31.55`	`dankolb`	`Well, $REPLACEMENTsewer is in the same location as $OLDSERVER`
`18:32.19`	`Leeds`	`REPLACEMENTsewer?`
`18:32.32`	`dankolb`	`Yes.`
`18:32.40`	`dankolb`	`What is currently pretending to be eco.li`
`18:32.42`	`Leeds`	`I do find it amusing that I can max out the j-colo pipe from my home ADSL now :-)`
`18:32.58`	`dankolb`	`Leave some bandwidth for the rest of us :)`
`18:38.20`	`dankolb`	`Hm. Would it work if I copy /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from $oldserver to $newserver?`
`18:38.41`	`Leeds`	`yea, I think so`
`18:38.55`	`dankolb`	`Okay, that'll help muchly :)`
`18:39.15`	`eye69`	`Didn't you just say that you weren't going to keep the accounts? :)`
`18:39.51`	`dankolb`	`Woohoo!`
`18:40.08`	`dankolb`	`Yes, but it takes 2 seconds to type and execute the copy commands.`
`18:40.16`	`Leeds`	`"money for nothing and your chicks for free!"`
`18:40.19`	`dankolb`	`It takes much longer to recreate all the accounts by hand :)`
`18:41.31`	`Leeds`	`but... if you're not going to recreate the accounts...`
`18:41.46`	`dankolb`	`I haven't recreated them. Only copied them :)`
`18:41.55`	`Leeds`	`<dankolb> But when this server was replaced, I wasn't planning on recreating the user accounts (i.e. not making it a general shell-access box)`
`18:41.58`	`eye69`	`Leeds: Is he making any sense?`
`18:42.41`	`dankolb`	`Leeds: I wasn't planning to. Plans change.`
`18:43.03`	`dankolb`	`Basically, I couldn't be arsed to recreate (most of) the accounts manually.`
`18:46.20`	`dankolb`	`Fun`
`18:47.10`	`dankolb`	`Eek. 1:57pm up 21:39, 2 users, load average: 2.56, 1.24, 1.13`
`18:47.23`	`dankolb`	`All I'm doing is copying files from one hard drive to another`
`18:48.59`	`Leeds`	`macos vnc looks very strange`
`18:49.36`	`dankolb`	`Howso?`
`18:49.46`	`dankolb`	`MacOS over VNC? Or MacOS VNC client?`
`18:50.05`	`Leeds`	`MacOS over VNC`
`18:50.18`	`Leeds`	`looks strange having an Aqua desktop in a window on a Linux box :_0`
`18:50.38`	`Leeds`	`boom`
`18:50.38`	`dankolb`	`Ah :)`
`18:50.38`	`dankolb`	`Netsplit?`
`18:50.43`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`18:51.10`	`dankolb`	`Hm.`
`18:55.02`	`dankolb`	`Hm. Why, when I type in 'apt-get remove wu-ftpd', does it install vsftpd?`
`18:56.11`	`Leeds`	`because you're using Debian and have therefore given up control of your machine to long-haired hippy commies`
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`18:58.36`	`dankolb`	`Leeds: I'm not. I'm using RedHat`
`18:58.50`	`Leeds`	`then... oh, forget it..`
`18:58.55`	`dankolb`	`I wouldn't stoop to using Debian :)`
`18:59.15`	`Leeds`	`RedHat is almost as worse`
`18:59.21`	`dankolb`	`True`
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`19:02.05`	`Jenson`	`heya all`
`19:02.30`	`Leeds`	`ah-ha!`
`19:03.09`	`dankolb`	`Hm. It's mostly back. Except for email.`
`19:03.55`	`Jenson`	`well yeh sort of`
`19:04.07`	`Jenson`	`jenson@server.eco.li's password:`
`19:04.07`	`Jenson`	`Could not chdir to home directory /home/jenson: Permission denied`
`19:04.07`	`Jenson`	`bash: /home/jenson/.bash_pro Permission denied`
`19:04.07`	`Jenson`	`bash-2.05a$`
`19:04.16`	`dankolb`	`Oh. shrug`
`19:04.18`	`dankolb`	`It works for me.`
`19:04.27`	`Jenson`	`wl;l i'll try again`
`19:04.32`	`Jenson`	`*well`
`19:05.02`	`Jenson`	`nah, it did it again`
`19:05.35`	`Jenson`	`bash-2.05a$ cd /home`
`19:05.36`	`Jenson`	`bash-2.05a$ ls`
`19:05.36`	`Jenson`	`admin cefisher clamav dankolb jenson ritchie spamtrap`
`19:05.36`	`Jenson`	`armijn checkpw cvs dom qscand spamd starkfamily`
`19:05.36`	`Jenson`	`bash-2.05a$ cd jenson/`
`19:05.38`	`Jenson`	`bash: cd: jenson/: Permission denied`
`19:05.40`	`Jenson`	`bash-2.05a$`
`19:07.23`	`dankolb`	`Bah`
`19:07.35`	`Leeds`	`um... ls -l`
`19:07.55`	`Jenson`	`total 56`
`19:07.56`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 2 admin users 4096 Nov 15 13:36 admin`
`19:07.56`	`Jenson`	`drwxr-xr-x 11 armijn users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 armijn`
`19:07.56`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 5 cefisher users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 cefisher`
`19:07.56`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 3 checkpw users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 checkpw`
`19:07.58`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 3 clamav users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 clamav`
`19:08.00`	`Jenson`	`drwxr-s--- 7 cvs users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 cvs`
`19:08.03`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 9 dankolb users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 dankolb`
`19:08.05`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 3 dom users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 dom`
`19:08.08`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 4 jenson users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 jenson`
`19:08.10`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 3 qscand users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 qscand`
`19:08.13`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 6 ritchie users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 ritchie`
`19:08.15`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 4 spamd users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 spamd`
`19:08.18`	`Jenson`	`drwx------ 3 spamtrap users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 spamtrap`
`19:08.20`	`Jenson`	`drwx--x--x 8 starkfam users 4096 Nov 15 13:43 starkfamily`
`19:12.48`	`Jenson`	`yay it works now`
`19:13.36`	`Jenson`	`bah, i have to reinstall irssi but i can manage that....or at least can if someone tells me the decompression command for tar.gz`
`19:14.05`	`stephen`	`tar xzf <file>`
`19:14.06`	`Leeds`	`man tar`
`19:14.59`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: yeh well, i dont need it when im using KDE`
`19:18.11`	`Leeds`	`?`
`19:19.18`	`Jenson`	`I just right click and click on extract here`
`19:20.08`	`Jenson`	`right I'm going to get dressed`
`19:20.10`	`Jenson`	`BRB`
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`19:24.23`	`dankolb`	`Hi Paul`
`19:24.27`	`cupis`	`hullo`
`19:24.51`	`dankolb`	`IDE sucks`
`19:29.37`	`Jenson`	`whats IDE done to you now?`
`19:29.38`	`Jenson`	`hi cupis`
`19:29.45`	`cupis`	`hi Jenson`
`19:30.48`	`dankolb`	`It's being utterly shit`
`19:32.08`	`Leeds`	`highbury: 22 quid for a 2-channel SATA card...`
`19:32.35`	`highbury`	`any bios/mobo restrictions?`
`19:33.02`	`eye69`	`There, office connection upgraded.`
`19:33.20`	`highbury`	`cos it makes more sense, when I have to buy hard-drives to buy SATA rather than IDE`
`19:33.30`	`Leeds`	`dunno`
`19:33.48`	`eye69`	`From 256k leased line (albeit with a /29 subnet) for 600 quid a month, to a wireless 1Mb with a single IP for 50 quid a month.`
`19:34.10`	`dankolb`	`Isn't Linux support a bit dodgy for SATA still?`
`19:35.31`	`Leeds`	`no idea`
`19:38.00`	`dankolb`	`People have had problems with SUSE9 and SATA - that's 2.4.20`
`19:42.23`	`Leeds`	`to be fair, 2.4.23 is at pre-release, and it might just be a 2.6 thing...`
`19:42.50`	`dankolb`	`Yes, but you need to get it onto the machine somehow :)`
`19:43.11`	`Leeds`	`true`
`19:43.52`	`Jenson`	`seeya Leeds`
`19:43.59`	`dankolb`	`Mmm. Pizza.`
`19:44.14`	`Jenson`	`i had pizza yesterday`
`19:44.18`	`Jenson`	`tescos pizza`
`19:44.59`	`Jenson`	`i better be getting offline, i might be around later, not sure yet`
`19:45.00`	`Jenson`	`seeya guys`
`19:59.17`	`dankolb`	`Tom Lehrer rocks`
`20:10.45`	`highbury`	`PLAGIARISE!`
`20:11.32`	`dankolb`	`Let no-one's work evade your eyes!`
`20:11.41`	`highbury`	`I think Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachelski should be the Patron Saint of Linux!`
`20:11.59`	`highbury`	`oops sorry SCO, I didn't say that :-)`
`20:12.05`	`dankolb`	`Lobachevsky :)`
`20:12.12`	`dankolb`	`</pedant>`
`20:16.35`	`highbury`	`I did it from memory, so shoot me!`
`20:16.58`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`20:17.48`	`dankolb`	`Well, I'm almost back up and running. Only email left to do :)`
`20:20.45`	`eye69`	`What MTA?`
`20:21.05`	`dankolb`	`qmail`
`20:21.25`	`dankolb`	`It's simple enough - just really need to copy /var/qmail across from oldserver to newserver`
`20:22.22`	`eye69`	`I'm going to reinstall this machine come christmas. Going from Qmail to Postfix.`
`20:22.54`	`dankolb`	`Ah. I was going to move servers around that time, when RedHat drops support for 7.3`
`20:23.57`	`eye69`	`This is a very old installation...needs a good overhaul.`
`20:24.16`	`dankolb`	`Yeah - it's good to do so once in a while`
`20:26.17`	`murble`	`dankolb: any luck with data recover yet?`
`20:26.45`	`dankolb`	`murble: Yep. That hard drive data was fine. Web, ssh and DNS are back up and running.`
`20:26.49`	`dankolb`	`Just working on email at the moment`
`20:27.03`	`murble`	`know why it failed yet?`
`20:28.32`	`dankolb`	`Look at /var/log/messages from the old disk, back on the 10th, there was a kernel panic (unable to deference null pointer), which appeared to be called from kswapd process`
`20:28.55`	`dankolb`	`I guess kswapd died, and over the next few days the memory just filled up`
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`22:01.04`	`dankolb`	`Mm. RDNS`
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`22:02.05`	`murb`	`hmm`
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`22:10.20`	`stephanb`	`anybody here ever played with morphix ?`
`22:10.41`	`dankolb`	`Nope`
`22:12.02`	`Leeds`	`never ehard of it`
`22:12.35`	`stephanb`	`its based on debian and boots from a cd`
`22:12.52`	`dankolb`	`Then it's shit, then, isn't it?`
`22:13.25`	`stephanb`	`not really, i'm interested in the "light gui" version than uses xfce`
`22:13.34`	`stephanb`	`and it's modular and customizable`
`22:14.07`	`Leeds`	`so just use xfce :-)`
`22:14.13`	`dankolb`	`And Slackware :)`
`22:14.42`	`stephanb`	`oh its not for me, it's for a friend sharing a computer`
`22:16.18`	`stephanb`	`even if i dont ever go any further this route, i have discovered xfce today and i'm impressed`
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`23:04.37`	`Leeds`	`evening Marios_`
`23:05.17`	`Leeds`	`and Wethrin for that matter :-)`
`23:06.12`	`dankolb`	`Hi`
`23:06.12`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`23:06.12`	`dankolb`	`Hum. The connection to eco.li is still absolutely shitty`
`23:06.35`	`murb`	`dankolb: that woudl be because it is on a wrong continent`
`23:07.12`	`dankolb`	`Yes, true.`
`23:09.07`	`Wethrin`	`Hm. My router just went very unresponsive`
`23:13.18`	`Clyphox`	`dsl router?`
`23:13.39`	`dankolb`	`Whoa. Lag.`
`23:13.41`	`Wethrin`	`Yes.`
`23:13.48`	`Wethrin`	`It's okay now.`
`23:14.07`	`Clyphox`	`:-P 486+speedtouch+obsd is better`
`23:14.33`	`stephen`	`my internet often becomes unresponsive, mainly due to housemates using P2P applications`
`23:15.05`	`dankolb`	`Clyphox: I disagree, thanks`
`23:15.46`	`murb`	`Clyphox: usb speedtouch?`
`23:16.04`	`Clyphox`	`murb: yeah.. I'm a fan of them`
`23:16.18`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: the green thing?`
`23:16.32`	`Clyphox`	`they are purple these days too`
`23:16.48`	`Leeds`	`how can anyone like an abomination like that`
`23:16.55`	`Clyphox`	`they work`
`23:17.12`	`Leeds`	`barely and badly`
`23:17.24`	`Clyphox`	`why?`
`23:17.43`	`Leeds`	`they are only half a device`
`23:18.01`	`Clyphox`	`they work perfectly besides that`
`23:18.06`	`Leeds`	`any external device where the first thing you do is upload the firmware is pretty bad`
`23:18.22`	`Clyphox`	`who cares.. it works`
`23:18.55`	`Leeds`	`I care`
`23:20.00`	`Leeds`	`if for nothing else, I care because I got one over 2.5 years ago, and the driver situation was always pretty dire`
`23:21.51`	`Clyphox`	`Yeah.. thats about when I started using them.. I met benoit online and he helped me test one of his first drivers`
`23:21.58`	`murb`	`I@m using one, tis a bit flaky, but it is nicer than using an internal pci adsl card that uses binary only drivers.`
`23:23.20`	`Wethrin`	`Straight Ethernet. No need for fancy drivers.`
`23:23.21`	`Clyphox`	`yeah I did that too`
`23:23.38`	`murb`	`Wethrin: then you have to put up with flaky IP stacks in teh routers.`
`23:24.43`	`murb`	`I have an origo device here, usb/ethernet adsl router.`
`23:24.50`	`murb`	`I've not played with the usb stuff, but i should.`
`23:24.52`	`Wethrin`	`murb: Yes, but they tend to be less flaky than Linux drivers`
`23:25.12`	`murb`	`Wethrin: You are now just being rude :(`
`23:25.41`	`dankolb`	`Whaaat?`
`23:26.10`	`murb`	`dankolb: I've expereicned some very flaky adsl routers :(`
`23:26.16`	`Clyphox`	`likewise`
`23:26.22`	`Clyphox`	`I hate the gamble`
`23:26.38`	`murb`	`the thing i have here has a telnetanle admin interface on 254 interweb side with no way to turn it off.`
`23:26.46`	`Clyphox`	`and not found any nice non-microcode dsl modems`
`23:27.27`	`murb`	`Wethrin: so your code can be incopreated into vxworks and run on may adsl router?`
`23:28.13`	`Wethrin`	`Yes. More specifically, I was thinking that a decent debugged TCP/IP stack can be incorporated`
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`23:33.45`	`Jenson`	`heya guys`
`23:35.05`	`Clyphox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:35.31`	`Jenson`	`heya Clyphox shouldnt you be watching Alien?`
`23:35.49`	`Clyphox`	`?`
`23:35.54`	`Wethrin`	`Grr. That took entirely too long to get the new swerver back up`
`23:35.56`	`Jenson`	`ith Alex`
`23:36.06`	`Jenson`	`Wethrin: yeh, well done :)`
`23:36.14`	`Jenson`	`*With even`
`23:36.44`	`Wethrin`	`For my next trick....`
`23:37.22`	`murb`	`you'll turn youself into a frog?`
`23:37.33`	`Wethrin`	`Yes!`
`23:37.44`	`Leeds`	`bye bye dankolb`
`23:37.45`	`Wethrin`	`I hope you weren't wanting photographic evidence`
`23:38.01`	`Wethrin`	`Bye Leeds`
`23:38.03`	`Wethrin`	`:)`
`23:38.29`	`Jenson`	`Leeds: frogs have sex for like 24 hours or something when they are mating`
`23:38.55`	`Leeds`	`too... much... information...`
`23:39.03`	`murble`	`what?`
`23:39.17`	`Leeds`	`24-hour amphibian sex`
`23:39.27`	`murble`	`hmm.`
`23:40.26`	`Wethrin`	`murble: He wasn't, Jenson knows all about it`
`23:41.27`	`Jenson`	`Leeds was the one who wanted porn`
`23:41.29`	`murb`	`Wethrin: hmm so you've turned into a frog and jenson is intersted in amphibian sex, i'd hop away quickly!`
`23:41.38`	`Jenson`	`and all i know is that, which i was told lol`
`23:42.58`	`Leeds`	`and the matter rectifies itself`
`23:43.03`	`eye69`	`"Things have been kind of stressful lately, trying to get rid of the timeshare in Baghdad and all that..."`
`23:43.50`	`Wethrin`	`murble: You brought it up in the first place :)`
`23:44.35`	`Leeds`	`eye?`
`23:45.50`	`Jenson`	`Well, time to be off to bed, I'll catch you guys in the morning`
`23:45.51`	`Jenson`	`night`
`23:46.02`	`Leeds`	`night`
`23:46.51`	`Jenson`	`seeya`
`23:47.24`	`eye69`	`Leeds: Billy Conolly`
`23:47.44`	`Leeds`	`ah :-)`

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