| 00:01.37 | Clyphox | nfn |
| 00:08.37 | Marios_ | anybody who is not sleeping ??? |
| 00:13.22 | Wethrin | Wha? |
| 00:15.02 | Marios_ | do you have DSL ? |
| 00:15.10 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 00:15.47 | Marios_ | ohhhhhh cool !!! |
| 00:16.02 | Marios_ | and the price of it? |
| 00:17.31 | Wethrin | £24.99/month |
| 00:17.34 | Wethrin | (inc VAT) |
| 00:18.18 | Marios_ | what speed? |
| 00:18.35 | Wethrin | 512/256 - usual speed for home DSL |
| 00:18.49 | Marios_ | this is the usual? |
| 00:18.52 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 00:18.55 | Marios_ | hmmm |
| 00:19.04 | Marios_ | do they have like 1024/256 ? |
| 00:19.08 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 00:19.11 | Wethrin | But you pay extra |
| 00:19.23 | Marios_ | is the difference too much? |
| 00:19.36 | Wethrin | Depends how cheap you are :) |
| 00:19.41 | Marios_ | lol |
| 00:19.58 | Marios_ | well I can pay up to 50 |
| 00:20.14 | Wethrin | You might be able to get it |
| 00:20.27 | Marios_ | only BT provided DSL ? |
| 00:20.35 | Marios_ | provides |
| 00:20.46 | Wethrin | No, lots of ISPs exist. |
| 00:20.53 | Wethrin | But they all need to use BT's ATM network |
| 00:20.53 | Marios_ | I see |
| 00:20.59 | Marios_ | ohhh |
| 00:21.12 | Wethrin | Anyway, I need sleep |
| 00:21.12 | Marios_ | is the Cable Internet famous there? |
| 00:21.29 | Marios_ | ohhhh who is gonna give me company here :) |
| 00:21.31 | Wethrin | It's available in some places |
| 00:21.48 | Wethrin | Come back in the morning :) |
| 00:22.13 | Wethrin | g'night |
| 00:22.18 | Marios_ | in your morning I will be sleeping |
| 00:22.22 | Marios_ | ok sweet dreams then |
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| 01:00.50 | Marios_ | anybody who is not sleeping? |
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| 01:51.57 | Tarragon | Moin |
| 01:54.46 | Tarragon | To sleep: perchance to dream, ay there's the rub; |
| 02:10.21 | murble | blah |
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| 09:52.01 | Tarragon | Quiet this morning |
| 09:52.49 | gregj | morning |
| 10:35.54 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
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| 11:05.47 | Leeds | morning all! |
| 11:08.20 | highbury | morning |
| 11:15.17 | highbury | anbody else seen a very large email from somebody called "Feng Shuo" subject "a big patch (update of all PCI & NIC drivers :-)" |
| 11:18.03 | Leeds | not that I've noticed, no |
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| 11:27.08 | zachary | moin |
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| 12:48.31 | pawelsz | hello. :-) |
| 12:50.58 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 14:06.03 | zachary | gregj: ping |
| 14:07.30 | pawelsz | zachary: hello. :-) |
| 14:07.50 | zachary | hey pawelsz |
| 14:08.35 | pawelsz | when we going to next beer? ;-) |
| 14:11.11 | zachary | checking calendar... |
| 14:12.39 | zachary | I don't think I can get out this weekend, but check with dan, he usually willing to attend pub-meets. If you want to set a a pub-meet up just pick a pub/time and make an announcement on the list. |
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| 14:20.01 | zachary | bbl --> |
| 14:42.36 | Leeds | I do... |
| 14:43.35 | highbury | is it possible to browse files from Windows though? I use expore2fs, which works great |
| 14:44.07 | Leeds | I'd guess not - the filesystem shouldn't be a problem, but the block device it resides on wouldn't be accessible to windows |
| 14:44.26 | Leeds | I use it on my fileserver so, for example, the Mac can see it just fine over NFS |
| 14:45.08 | highbury | is it possible to shrink a volume, e.g. remove a partition? |
| 14:45.13 | zachary | i'm back |
| 14:45.39 | Leeds | I think removing a partition should be fine, as long as you can shrink the filesystem to fit |
| 14:45.55 | Leeds | except that... how would it know where the filesystem was... |
| 14:46.05 | Leeds | dunno :-) ask agk... |
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| 15:07.31 | Marios | hello people |
| 15:12.29 | Leeds | afternoon :-) |
| 15:16.14 | Marios | what's up guys? |
| 15:19.05 | Leeds | work... |
| 15:19.31 | Marios | same here |
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| 15:28.56 | gregj | zachary: yes master |
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| 16:34.34 | Clyphox | yay Netsplit |
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| 16:36.33 | Clyphox | weee |
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| 16:54.25 | gregj | DAN ! |
| 16:54.50 | Leeds | no, no... you're Greg. Lay off the beer, mate |
| 16:55.06 | gregj | hmm |
| 16:55.11 | gregj | he cannot be offline |
| 16:55.22 | Leeds | why not? |
| 16:55.33 | gregj | because he cannot |
| 16:55.36 | Clyphox | it happens :-( |
| 16:55.38 | gregj | we need support |
| 16:56.03 | Leeds | try a bra |
| 17:07.55 | Leeds | yes |
| 17:08.03 | zachary | Leeds: Watch those jenson comments. |
| 17:08.04 | Leeds | I love my TiVo! (which is sick :-( ) |
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| 17:11.56 | Clyphox | an ill TiVo? |
| 17:12.04 | Clyphox | or is your love for it sick? |
| 17:12.05 | gregj | Leeds: ?? |
| 17:12.13 | Leeds | nope, the TiVo is sick :-( |
| 17:13.21 | Clyphox | how? thats awefull!?!? |
| 17:13.49 | Leeds | it's hanging a lot :-( |
| 17:13.54 | Leeds | I may need to replace it... |
| 17:14.27 | nasrat | Leeds: are they still available in UK? |
| 17:14.38 | Clyphox | what would a mortal like me need to do to get a TiVo? |
| 17:14.49 | zimm | hey Clyphox |
| 17:15.32 | Leeds | nasrat: ways and means... there is, right now, a bloke selling as-new ones on eBay for a fixed price... he's got 22 left - he's sold 5 in the past 5 hours or so |
| 17:15.36 | Clyphox | Ohh howzit zimm.. |
| 17:15.47 | zimm | heh , not bad man , you ? |
| 17:15.54 | Clyphox | Leeds: how much for? |
| 17:15.57 | Leeds | Clyphox: ask me nicely for the eBay id :-) |
| 17:16.02 | Leeds | 200 quid - plus subscription |
| 17:16.13 | Clyphox | zimm: I can't say in public hehe |
| 17:16.21 | zimm | lol |
| 17:16.32 | Clyphox | Leeds: Aye.. need a job before I even buy Xmas gifts |
| 17:17.03 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 17:17.25 | Clyphox | heh.. kewl |
| 17:17.28 | Clyphox | why? |
| 17:17.38 | zimm | err .. |
| 17:17.53 | zimm | cos its cheaper than paying rent .. |
| 17:18.24 | zimm | and if i park withing 50 yards of manor hall, i get broadband in it ! |
| 17:18.33 | Clyphox | really? |
| 17:18.41 | zimm | hehe , wireless nics are fun .. |
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| 17:19.06 | Clyphox | where can you park them? |
| 17:19.21 | Clyphox | Wethrin: Holla |
| 17:19.31 | zimm | yeh man , i put a wireless nic in my mates PC (which is connected to the janet network) then park outside the halls . |
| 17:19.49 | Wethrin | Hola |
| 17:19.57 | zimm | just got to securely mount my monitor so it doesnt fall over when i hit speed bumps |
| 17:20.24 | Clyphox | zimm: how much did the autosleeper cost? |
| 17:20.29 | Clyphox | do chicks dig it? lol |
| 17:20.58 | zimm | hehe , he wanted 450 quid, i got it down to 350 + a pack of tobacco :) |
| 17:21.09 | zimm | and emma loves it .. |
| 17:21.41 | Clyphox | emma is your gf? |
| 17:21.58 | zimm | http://www.btinternet.com/~classic.camperclub/am15.jpg <<< pic of one similar to mine .. |
| 17:22.00 | Clyphox | what about parking it places.. thats not free surely? |
| 17:22.02 | zimm | yes, .. |
| 17:22.07 | Clyphox | free? |
| 17:22.31 | zimm | mainly i juts park it up ourtside emma's place .. |
| 17:22.42 | zimm | or outside manor when i want to use the net . |
| 17:22.56 | zimm | Clyphox: you met emma ... didnt you ? |
| 17:23.39 | Clyphox | yeah briefly.. I was not with it at the time tho.. she was nice though... might venture to ask where you find decent girls like that |
| 17:23.51 | zimm | kwik-save :P |
| 17:23.58 | Xiaoqi | heh |
| 17:24.01 | Clyphox | lol.. I have bad luck |
| 17:24.15 | zimm | :( |
| 17:24.16 | Xiaoqi | Clyphox: u didn't think so at the time |
| 17:24.44 | zimm | http://zimm.fudo.org/Files/Pics/emma.jpg |
| 17:25.10 | Clyphox | Xiaoqi: huh? |
| 17:25.30 | Xiaoqi | Clyphox: you didn't think i was bad luck when things were going well |
| 17:25.54 | Xiaoqi | and you thought i was very decent |
| 17:26.09 | Leeds | now now... |
| 17:26.23 | Clyphox | not here |
| 17:26.42 | Leeds | right :-) |
| 17:31.07 | Clyphox | zimm: so are you going to live in it? |
| 17:31.20 | Clyphox | (full time I mean) |
| 17:31.35 | zimm | well , kinda ... i'll be keeping al my stuff in it , |
| 17:31.49 | zimm | can even get my bike in the back and still fold the bed down |
| 17:32.24 | zimm | thing is ... most of my belongings are still packed up at Will's flat , and i spend all my time at work , at emma's place or in hereford .. |
| 17:32.36 | zimm | so .. paying rent/deposit on a flat is stupid .. |
| 17:32.50 | zimm | yet i need to have access to my stuff .. |
| 17:32.59 | zimm | this solves that ... |
| 17:33.15 | Clyphox | yeah.. plus its a good way to minimize your lifestyle/expenditure |
| 17:34.36 | zimm | exactly .. |
| 17:34.44 | Clyphox | and portable heh |
| 17:35.05 | zimm | which should leave me free to save up the few hundred quid i need to obtain and build my mk1 escort track car :) |
| 17:35.06 | Clyphox | hope it doesn't cost too much for upkeep though.. that can be bad i believe |
| 17:35.22 | zimm | it wont be that bad .. |
| 17:35.35 | zimm | i can do all the work here at the club ,, ## |
| 17:35.44 | Clyphox | I recon anything thats still going since the 70s prolly has alot left still |
| 17:35.46 | zimm | so all i'll have to pay is parts - VAT |
| 17:36.22 | zimm | plus, it is of course tax exempt .. |
| 17:36.40 | zimm | so thats a ~170 quid a year saving straight away |
| 17:37.18 | Wethrin | The Java Stack method sucks big donkey nuts. |
| 17:37.18 | Clyphox | good to know how to fix things |
| 17:37.19 | Wethrin | Leeds: Get them to fix it :) |
| 17:37.23 | Wethrin | Err. Stack class, even |
| 17:37.46 | zimm | Clyphox: at the end of the day i can buy/maintain and run it for a year on less cash than a deposit and 2 months rent |
| 17:37.49 | Leeds | bah - report a bug if you're that bothered |
| 17:38.16 | zimm | anyway ,, im going home .. |
| 17:38.19 | zimm | laters all |
| 17:44.15 | Leeds | woo: http://www.sun.com/amd/ :-) |
| 17:44.58 | Wethrin | Leeds: Get Sun to fix the Stack Class. |
| 17:45.41 | Leeds | no! |
| 17:46.08 | Leeds | there's nothing with with the Stack Class!!! Scott said so!!!!! |
| 17:46.40 | Wethrin | :) |
| 17:46.47 | murble | byebye sparc |
| 17:46.54 | Wethrin | Well, at some points I can cast it as (String)stack.pop(); |
| 17:47.07 | Wethrin | Other times it doesn't work, but I *can* cast it as (Integer)stack.pop(); |
| 17:47.24 | Wethrin | Stack only stores class Objects. (And I'm only putting Strings in there anyway) |
| 17:47.40 | Clyphox | *blink* |
| 17:48.55 | Wethrin | Well...I'll leave it for the nice #gllug people to ponder over :) |
| 17:49.25 | murble | they have to be both nice and like java, very small population then. |
| 17:49.42 | Wethrin | I've worked around it by trying it one way; if it throws an exception, then do it the other way. |
| 17:49.47 | Wethrin | It's a nasty workaround, but it works. |
| 17:50.44 | Leeds | casting bad |
| 17:50.56 | Wethrin | Necessary. |
| 17:51.03 | Wethrin | stack.pop() returns a type Object |
| 17:51.16 | Wethrin | It needs to be casted to something to do something useful with it |
| 17:51.17 | Leeds | hmm, okay |
| 17:51.29 | Leeds | subclass it? |
| 17:51.39 | Leeds | rewrite it? |
| 17:51.50 | Wethrin | Don't want to rewrite Stack. The Class is there to be used :) |
| 17:52.33 | Leeds | so you're storing random Objects on the stack? and the problem is that you don't know what to cast them to when you pop them? |
| 17:52.54 | Wethrin | I'm storing Strings in the stack. |
| 17:53.00 | Wethrin | It converts them to just an Object |
| 17:53.12 | Wethrin | It just happens that some of those strings contain numbers |
| 17:53.33 | Leeds | in which case a try/except is fine, no? |
| 17:53.38 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 17:53.49 | Wethrin | But it should Just Work, without needing try/catch. |
| 17:54.07 | Leeds | why should it just work? |
| 17:54.17 | Leeds | or rather... |
| 17:54.21 | Leeds | *how* should it just work? |
| 17:54.44 | Wethrin | (String)stack.pop(); should work |
| 17:55.02 | Leeds | so if you store "123" you can't pop it and cast to String? |
| 17:55.09 | Wethrin | (Integer)stack.pop(); works sometimes. If it doesn't, then |
| 17:55.20 | Wethrin | new Integer((String)stack.pop()); works |
| 17:55.58 | Wethrin | So if one gives a ClassCastException, then I use the other |
| 17:56.03 | Leeds | that doesn't answer my question |
| 17:56.41 | Wethrin | Leeds: Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. It depends where in the stack it is |
| 17:57.33 | Leeds | I'm still not understanding you |
| 17:57.55 | Wethrin | stack.push("123"); |
| 17:58.13 | Wethrin | (String)stack.pop(); will sometimes give a ClassCastExpection |
| 17:58.21 | Wethrin | If it does, then (Integer)stack.pop(); will work |
| 17:58.51 | Leeds | is it (argh, word gone) reliable - same problem each time? |
| 17:58.57 | Wethrin | repeatable? |
| 17:59.08 | Leeds | not |
| 17:59.09 | Leeds | no |
| 17:59.11 | Wethrin | It's fairly repeatable |
| 17:59.18 | Leeds | like definable... |
| 17:59.27 | Wethrin | Not really |
| 17:59.45 | Leeds | argh! |
| 17:59.55 | Leeds | what's the bloody word? |
| 18:00.04 | Leeds | my brain is melting |
| 18:00.21 | Wethrin | It tends to fail when it's the last item in the stack. But sometimes when it's not :) |
| 18:00.30 | Leeds | don't care... need this word |
| 18:00.37 | Leeds | determinative |
| 18:01.04 | Leeds | or some such |
| 18:01.08 | Leeds | anyway... |
| 18:01.53 | Wethrin | Well, it works using the exceptions :) |
| 18:02.16 | Leeds | you are using the latest JVM, right |
| 18:02.20 | Wethrin | Yep |
| 18:02.41 | Wethrin | 1.4.2 |
| 18:04.45 | jason_ukfsn | OK time to quit for the evening (well for now anyway) |
| 18:04.50 | jason_ukfsn | cya all |
| 18:06.28 | Wethrin | Time to go home. |
| 18:06.31 | Wethrin | Bye! |
| 18:09.02 | gregj | Wethrin: :] |
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| 19:39.29 | irvined | hello |
| 19:43.02 | Leeds | certainly sir! |
| 19:44.33 | gregj | hell lo |
| 19:45.01 | irvined | Hows it going guys? |
| 20:02.32 | Marios | nothing much |
| 20:02.43 | Marios | sleepy |
| 20:03.44 | highbury | zachary, can you get realplayer to work with SUSE 9.0 |
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| 20:04.55 | Jenson|Busy | heya guys |
| 20:04.58 | Jenson|Busy | how are you? |
| 20:05.55 | Marios_ | sleepy |
| 20:06.14 | Jenson|Busy | Marios_: what time is it whewre you are? |
| 20:06.24 | Marios_ | 15:06 |
| 20:06.48 | irvined | hi Jenson |
| 20:07.04 | Jenson|Busy | hiya irvined how are you? |
| 20:07.07 | Marios_ | bored at work |
| 20:07.29 | Jenson|Busy | Marios_: I'm writing a letter to a recruitment agency i worked for about tax they owe me back |
| 20:07.32 | irvined | im good, i'm hacking up and itx freevo box which is good fun. |
| 20:08.11 | Marios_ | good !! |
| 20:08.27 | Marios_ | how are you planning to spend the money you ll get back? |
| 20:08.40 | Jenson|Busy | Marios_: on my mobile bill i expect knowing me |
| 20:09.22 | Marios_ | no man... |
| 20:09.28 | Marios_ | buy something else |
| 20:10.54 | zachary | ok, i'm back(checking it out highbury) |
| 20:19.18 | Jenson|Busy | grr yeh, but the thing is, they spelt my name wrong, my address wrong, and got a completely unrelated NI number for me, so getting tax back could be difficult |
| 20:19.35 | Xiaoqi | hi beki |
| 20:20.14 | Jenson|Busy | heya Xiaoqi |
| 20:46.07 | Jenson | got a new trampoline JD? |
| 20:46.19 | JD | no something even better |
| 20:46.29 | Jenson | new girlfriend? |
| 20:47.01 | JD | erm possibly |
| 21:02.33 | gregj | lol |
| 21:02.57 | JD | lol? |
| 21:11.04 | gregj | L0L |
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| 21:16.06 | Jenson | hiya |
| 21:17.11 | stephanb | i am so impressed by RH9 |
| 21:17.49 | Jenson | i am not particularly impressed by mandrake |
| 21:17.55 | Jenson | my win98 install is faster |
| 21:18.04 | stephanb | duh |
| 21:22.44 | JD | Wethrin: ping |
| 21:34.45 | resuDaed | Jenson : try a gentoo install |
| 21:34.50 | resuDaed | from source |
| 21:35.48 | resuDaed | anyone here use telewest and suffering extremely slow dns responses? |
| 21:36.48 | nasrat | resuDaed: what nameservers you using? |
| 21:37.23 | nasrat | seems ok here |
| 21:38.50 | resuDaed | 62.30.112.39 (out of the 2 I have listed from telewest) |
| 21:38.59 | resuDaed | the other is down |
| 21:39.16 | resuDaed | could be a localised thins |
| 21:39.22 | resuDaed | s/thins/thing |
| 21:40.13 | nasrat | ok all three good here |
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| 22:10.06 | Jenson | resuDaed: i'm using bt and m,y internet just went down for like 20 mins lol |
| 22:11.08 | irvined | to piss of cranky housemate if nothing else. |
| 22:11.24 | Jenson | resuDaed: yeh i was gonna try gentoo not mandrake, except i didnt understand what to do with the liveCD |
| 22:11.25 | murble | irvined: how far south are you living nowdays? |
| 22:11.47 | irvined | Kenilworth, 102 miles northwest of london, about 40 miles from oxford. |
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| 22:12.11 | murble | irvined: so you should lonodn.beer more oftern |
| 22:12.17 | irvined | yes. |
| 22:12.49 | irvined | its a pain gllug always seems to be on when i've got something i'm not aloud to miss on pain of death (Or worse...) to do., |
| 22:13.15 | irvined | i keep meaning to come to lonix actually because its generally on when im not so busy. |
| 22:13.24 | Wethrin | pong JD |
| 22:13.25 | Jenson | irvined: what happened with your g/f then, wasnt she from scotland? |
| 22:13.32 | Jenson | heya Wethrin |
| 22:13.32 | irvined | no she was from spain. |
| 22:13.43 | murble | Wethrin: which youth hostel did you stay in in brussels and was it any good? |
| 22:13.48 | irvined | i had a gf when i moved down here, but she used that as an excuse to dump me so i was single for quite a while |
| 22:13.54 | irvined | give or take a few weeks here and there. |
| 22:14.32 | Wethrin | murble: I can't remember, and it was, erm, passable |
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| 22:28.57 | Tarragon | I thought the youth hostel was jack brel?? |
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| 22:39.28 | Wethrin | Tarragon: Maybe |
| 22:51.25 | Marios_ | does anybody know when the Java Desktop System will be released? |
| 22:54.49 | Jenson | right, bed, thinkgeek and bash.org have distracted me for long enough, night guys |
| 23:18.02 | Leeds | Marios|Away: DEcember, I believe |
| 23:18.12 | Marios|Away | hmm |
| 23:18.31 | Marios|Away | what packaging do they use? |
| 23:18.35 | Leeds | ? |
| 23:18.40 | Marios|Away | RPMs ? |
| 23:18.48 | Leeds | yes, I think so |
| 23:18.51 | Marios|Away | ok |
| 23:18.56 | Wethrin | It's based on SUSE |
| 23:19.03 | Leeds | at this point, JDS is SUSE +pretty face |
| 23:19.33 | Marios|Away | which parts of it are designed in Java ? |
| 23:19.42 | Leeds | none, in general |
| 23:19.49 | Marios|Away | lol |
| 23:20.09 | Leeds | it's "Java the brand" rather than "Java the technology" |
| 23:20.22 | Leeds | which is a real pity, because it's actually a pretty nice Linux desktop... |
| 23:20.24 | Marios|Away | it used to be a project for making a new OS completely in Java....anybody knows what happened? |
| 23:20.59 | Leeds | no, it never was |
| 23:21.16 | JD | Leeds: with ir without Yast? |
| 23:21.17 | Marios|Away | I remember something long time ago |
| 23:21.42 | Leeds | that may have been JavaOS - JDS is the project formerly known as MadHatter |
| 23:21.50 | Leeds | JD: with AFAIK |
| 23:22.37 | Marios|Away | JavaOS I guess was the name |
| 23:23.02 | Wethrin | Mmm. RPN calculators. |
| 23:23.19 | Leeds | mmm... |
| 23:23.32 | Marios|Away | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,11908,00.html |
| 23:23.33 | Leeds | (virtual - never used a physical RPN calc) |
| 23:23.42 | Marios|Away | anywayz I am really away now... |
| 23:23.44 | Wethrin | 85 lines of Java. Including whitespace. |
| 23:23.52 | Wethrin | And it implements DUP, too. |
| 23:24.27 | Leeds | Marios|Away: um, that story is 5.5 years old :-) |
| 23:24.31 | Leeds | seeya |
| 23:25.43 | Leeds | and jos.org is for sale :-) |
| 23:28.56 | Wethrin | I've used a programmable RPN calc |
| 23:35.15 | Leeds | I used a programmable graphical calc at school |
| 23:41.15 | JD | night |
| 23:42.24 | highbury | I still use my casio which does hex arithmetic |
| 23:44.23 | Wethrin | nn JD |
| 23:54.50 | JD | night |
| 23:55.37 | Wethrin | BTW, any reason you pinged me earlier? |
| 23:56.51 | JD | yes |
| 23:57.04 | JD | but murble asked the same question |
| 23:58.46 | Wethrin | Ah, okay |
| 23:59.03 | Wethrin | RPN calculators rocks |
