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| 00:31.14 | Marios_ | anybody alive? |
| 00:31.37 | ar | hi |
| 00:32.02 | Marios_ | ar << what's up? |
| 00:32.22 | ar | not much - just finished some coursework that was due later today |
| 00:32.51 | Marios_ | are you a student? |
| 00:33.26 | ar | yep :) |
| 00:33.40 | ar | i'm studying Maths and Comp Sci at Imperial College |
| 00:33.45 | Marios_ | cool |
| 00:33.45 | Marios_ | college? |
| 00:33.58 | Marios_ | oh !! it is one of the best |
| 00:34.40 | ar | hmmm, doesn't feel like it sometimes |
| 00:34.45 | Marios_ | hehehhhe |
| 00:34.47 | ar | mind you, they work us hard |
| 00:34.55 | Marios_ | I see |
| 00:35.15 | Marios_ | when are you graduating? |
| 00:35.21 | ar | i do get a little jealous when I learn how easy some of my friends are finding university |
| 00:35.30 | ar | this is my final year |
| 00:36.06 | Marios_ | mine too |
| 00:36.22 | Marios_ | do you have any work experience in comp science? |
| 00:37.08 | ar | not really |
| 00:37.15 | ar | i think i might want to be a teacher |
| 00:38.19 | ar | where are you studying? |
| 00:38.25 | Marios_ | USA |
| 00:38.33 | Marios_ | I am doing my MSc |
| 00:39.09 | ar | did you say you were going to head to london? |
| 00:39.33 | Marios_ | yeah |
| 00:39.39 | Marios_ | tired of US |
| 00:40.16 | ar | when you gonna be over here from? |
| 00:41.17 | Marios_ | next August most probably |
| 00:41.30 | Marios_ | in the worst case Dec of 2004 |
| 00:43.50 | Marios_ | I don't know how to get a job though |
| 00:44.10 | Marios_ | most of the companies require lots of experience |
| 00:44.20 | Marios_ | I have some but maybe not enough |
| 00:45.41 | murble | what did you do for your first degree? |
| 00:46.08 | Marios_ | comp science |
| 00:46.12 | Marios_ | both degrees |
| 00:49.26 | ar | have you got some massive project to do then? |
| 00:49.38 | Marios_ | yeah many |
| 00:49.51 | ar | i got one on DNA Sequence analysis :/ |
| 00:50.11 | Marios_ | and I work as freelance programmer part time |
| 00:50.31 | Marios_ | but since I am very busy with studies...I can't do much |
| 00:52.15 | ar | what browser do you use? |
| 00:53.08 | Marios_ | Netscape |
| 00:54.44 | ar | i'm just installing moz - but the excessive compile time is getting annoying |
| 00:55.21 | Marios_ | what distro do you have? |
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| 00:57.54 | ar | gentoo |
| 00:58.13 | Clyphox | I've been BANNED! heh |
| 00:58.17 | ar | moz is just a big ugly dragon :P |
| 00:58.35 | ar | banned from where? freenode?? |
| 00:58.36 | Clyphox | I apparently have a Trojan Hourse |
| 00:58.49 | ar | well, do you ;)? |
| 00:59.12 | Clyphox | 00:58 [freenode] !orwell.freenode.net *** Banned: chii; A possible trojan horse was found on your |
| 00:59.15 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.21 | Clyphox | I run linux |
| 00:59.21 | Marios_ | oh God |
| 00:59.46 | Clyphox | suspect my sister used a windoze computer downstairs on IRC maybe |
| 01:00.10 | Clyphox | dunno.. weird |
| 01:01.32 | Marios_ | ohhhh |
| 01:01.42 | Clyphox | weird |
| 01:02.05 | Clyphox | can't be arsed.. going to sleep..see if the reply to me email |
| 01:02.56 | Marios_ | bye |
| 01:03.07 | ar | cya |
| 01:03.15 | Clyphox | cya |
| 01:03.21 | Clyphox | this kinda reminds me of when I was banned from Google |
| 01:03.27 | Clyphox | ....it was like someone had taken away my legs |
| 01:03.36 | Clyphox | anyway.. TLL.. |
| 01:03.36 | Marios_ | Google ?? |
| 01:03.40 | Marios_ | banned? |
| 01:03.44 | Clyphox | yeah.. longs story |
| 01:04.02 | Marios_ | never heard about such a thing |
| 01:04.13 | Marios_ | are you in China or something? ;) |
| 01:17.24 | highbury | Hey does anybody have a linux-oriented "Under Construction" gif I could use? |
| 01:17.45 | highbury | I'm just updating the gllug web pages, and needed a better logo |
| 01:18.29 | murble | highbury: but underconstruction logos are *so* '95 |
| 01:19.53 | highbury | :-) |
| 01:20.35 | murble | oh and gifs are not very politically correct for a linux site :) |
| 01:21.05 | murble | unless your sending Unisys a cheque on behalf of gllug :) |
| 01:22.28 | highbury | a) I thought that patent had now expired. b) you help us with the web site then! |
| 01:23.44 | highbury | wasn't there a big celebration at the end of the Patent period? |
| 01:29.05 | highbury | hmmm, hunting round penguin logos, reminds me, I really would like a small area of the home page, which has a cool logo/gif/jpeg/png of the week/month, rather like what they have on theinquirer.net site |
| 01:34.24 | murble | highbury: the patent expired in the US |
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| 01:53.10 | highbury | can somebody take a look at http://gllug.org.uk/index-new.html |
| 01:54.30 | ar | looks fine |
| 01:56.29 | murble | appart from that horrible image :) |
| 02:00.56 | ar | lol |
| 02:03.08 | highbury | :-) |
| 02:13.42 | highbury | well nn folks |
| 02:15.34 | ar | night |
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| 03:56.38 | Marios_ | hello |
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| 10:03.24 | irvined | Morning. |
| 10:21.11 | highbury | morning |
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| 11:31.24 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 11:51.36 | JD | morning |
| 12:07.39 | Wethrin | Morning |
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| 12:11.15 | JD | hi Leeds |
| 12:11.26 | Leeds | hey |
| 12:24.34 | Wethrin | Oi |
| 12:26.03 | JD | Wethrin: there you are |
| 12:26.08 | Wethrin | I am. |
| 12:30.03 | Wethrin | What time do you want to meet tomorrow? |
| 12:47.53 | pawelsz | hello. :-) |
| 12:48.08 | pawelsz | what meeting? |
| 12:48.09 | pawelsz | ;-) |
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| 13:32.06 | Wethrin | pawelsz: Imperial College open day |
| 13:32.19 | Wethrin | We have in-office Pizza |
| 13:33.27 | pawelsz | hm, you say tomorow? what tube st? |
| 13:34.23 | Wethrin | South Kensington |
| 13:34.44 | Wethrin | You want to study for postgrad degree in Science, Technology or Medicine? |
| 13:35.59 | pawelsz | i'm look for the next school, when I finish this simple english course. |
| 13:36.22 | Wethrin | What was your first degree in? |
| 13:38.08 | pawelsz | in eglish or what? ;-) |
| 13:38.33 | Wethrin | Was it a science? |
| 13:40.13 | pawelsz | hm, I don't have any learn experience on paper, and any school finished, if you talking about this. ;-) |
| 13:40.20 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:41.04 | pawelsz | when I finish my course I only get FCE. ;-) |
| 13:41.15 | Wethrin | FCE? |
| 13:42.08 | pawelsz | First Certificate in English. ;-) |
| 13:44.34 | pawelsz | Wethrin: this is my second week here, you can't expect something more. ;-) |
| 13:45.00 | Wethrin | Yes, what about .pl University? |
| 13:46.02 | pawelsz | aaa, you talking about my technical school, it's unfinished case, i don't have any papers. |
| 13:47.33 | Wethrin | Ah. For the post-graduate courses, you need to already have a first degree. |
| 13:48.56 | pawelsz | oo. |
| 13:48.57 | pawelsz | ;/ |
| 13:49.10 | murble | Wethrin: you're working on long term work avoidance? |
| 13:50.09 | Wethrin | murble: Yes |
| 13:50.22 | Wethrin | Gah. My mail appears to not be delivering for some odd reason. |
| 13:52.17 | pawelsz | where I can buy UTP cable in meters? I don't need short pathcord, i need 50 meters i think. |
| 13:53.24 | Wethrin | 50 metres? You'll have to go to a shop that can do custom-made cables |
| 13:53.36 | Leeds | or just buy a bunch of cable and some plugs |
| 13:53.50 | Wethrin | And crimp tool |
| 13:53.55 | Leeds | yes |
| 13:54.00 | pawelsz | i have tool and plugs. |
| 13:54.05 | pawelsz | argh. ;-) |
| 13:54.10 | Leeds | ah, so you just want cable? |
| 13:54.21 | pawelsz | i don't know only where i can buy some more utp cable in london. |
| 13:54.28 | Leeds | maplins? :-) |
| 13:54.29 | pawelsz | that's right. |
| 13:54.37 | pawelsz | maplins? ;-) |
| 13:54.40 | Wethrin | Dodgy computer shops |
| 13:54.44 | Wethrin | Computer Fayres |
| 13:54.52 | pawelsz | adress please. ;-) |
| 13:55.16 | Wethrin | Hmmm......qmail appears to have died, which is why mail didn't get through. |
| 13:55.25 | Wethrin | PIECE OF FUCKING SHITE OPERATING SYSTEM AND HARDWARE COMBINATION!!! |
| 13:55.40 | pawelsz | easy. |
| 13:55.41 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 13:55.50 | Leeds | just blame qmail |
| 13:55.58 | Wethrin | Nah - it's never died before. |
| 13:56.08 | Leeds | hah |
| 13:56.36 | Wethrin | Seriously :) Until the kernel panic last week, and the subsequent system rebuild (and panic again), it's all been rock solid |
| 13:56.39 | Leeds | (that was a snort of derision hah, not a chuckle of amusement hah) |
| 13:56.53 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:57.17 | Wethrin | Except qmail tends to have a good reputation for being solid code. |
| 13:57.25 | Wethrin | Generally because it doesn't *do* much :) |
| 13:57.26 | pawelsz | ok, I have't. |
| 13:57.32 | pawelsz | http://www.maplin.co.uk/ |
| 13:57.33 | pawelsz | ;-p |
| 13:57.48 | gregj | Wethrin: i am off, heading in direction - Hammersmith |
| 13:58.47 | gregj | Wethrin: ;] |
| 13:59.09 | Wethrin | gregj: Okay :) |
| 13:59.16 | Wethrin | You know where we're at, yes? |
| 13:59.54 | gregj | yes |
| 14:00.29 | gregj | small village on edge of the city, loads of buildings where nobody lives. Police was there last time last year , christmas |
| 14:00.41 | gregj | znaki szczegolne, duzo polakow |
| 14:01.18 | gregj | :-) |
| 14:02.22 | Wethrin | :) |
| 14:02.35 | Wethrin | King Street. Appleton House. |
| 14:02.48 | Wethrin | What did one mail server say to the other? |
| 14:04.04 | Wethrin | HELO |
| 14:04.48 | gregj | ;] |
| 14:05.13 | gregj | EHLO |
| 14:05.30 | Wethrin | It doesn't work quite as well when telling it verbally, though |
| 14:08.59 | gregj | hehe |
| 14:15.00 | Wethrin | Oi. Get yourself out here and pick up these boxes :) |
| 14:24.59 | pawelsz | . |
| 14:25.08 | Leeds | } |
| 14:25.27 | pawelsz | }:-| |
| 14:25.29 | pawelsz | ;> |
| 14:25.50 | Wethrin | Empty stack |
| 14:29.47 | Leeds | EDISHWASHER |
| 14:31.17 | Wethrin | s/function/method/ .oO (silly Java terminology) |
| 14:33.30 | Leeds | unknown exception... |
| 14:33.43 | Leeds | EDISHWASHER isn't an exception, it's an errno |
| 14:33.52 | Wethrin | It could be an exception |
| 14:34.09 | Wethrin | public class EDISHWASHER extends Exception { } |
| 14:34.13 | Wethrin | There :-P |
| 14:49.14 | Leeds | hmm... I didn't realise Thompson and Pike invented UTF-8... |
| 14:49.29 | Wethrin | Ken Thompson? |
| 14:49.31 | Leeds | yes |
| 14:49.49 | Wethrin | Ugh. |
| 14:54.14 | Leeds | I find myself with the need to convert some UTF-8 Hebrew to some pre-Unicode Windows format :-( |
| 14:58.25 | Leeds | and a suggested Word macro to do the conversion, but without the right character values |
| 14:58.38 | Wethrin | Write your own font :) |
| 14:59.12 | Leeds | oh, and I've got the font :-) |
| 14:59.18 | Leeds | it's not for display - it's for processing |
| 14:59.36 | Wethrin | Ah. Write your own charset |
| 15:00.02 | Leeds | or rather... it's for storing in a database for later processing and display... where the database is a very old Access and the processing and display is with a very old VB program written against a very old version of VB |
| 15:01.08 | Leeds | it pretty much comes down to unless I'm willing and able to reimplement the existing stuff - and then provide perpetual support - I've got to work with it |
| 16:10.21 | JD | anyone used traffic shaping on linux? |
| 16:14.10 | Leeds | tried a few times and failed to get it working... |
| 16:15.40 | Leeds | the various 'magic' scripts I've got all seemed to depends on features I hadn't compiled in, and couldn't find an option or patch for :-( |
| 16:16.55 | Leeds | have you got it working? |
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| 16:33.47 | Leeds | JD? |
| 16:36.11 | JD | Leeds: what? |
| 16:36.31 | Leeds | um... traffic shaping? |
| 16:36.32 | JD | oh sorry you answered and then I went away |
| 16:36.40 | JD | support call :( |
| 16:37.17 | JD | I need to split 2Mbit into 3 with 2 parts having a fixed limit and the third borrowing form the others |
| 16:37.54 | nasrat | JD: check out the lartc stuff |
| 16:38.13 | JD | nasrat: have been |
| 16:38.24 | Leeds | nasrat: that's where I was... should it need kernel patches? |
| 16:38.27 | JD | I want to use HTb (as it is simpler |
| 16:38.51 | nasrat | Leeds: not any external ones you need iproute2 but should have that |
| 16:39.08 | Leeds | yup, got that |
| 16:40.47 | Leeds | apparently I've won 1.5 million dollars on an international lottery!!! drinks on me :-) |
| 16:41.07 | Wethrin | Excellent :) |
| 16:43.58 | JD | so no one has done anything like it? |
| 16:44.17 | SpudULike | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.27 | SpudULike | I didn't want to let on though! |
| 16:46.29 | Wethrin | JD: Do you want to come and see Dead Ringers being recorded? |
| 16:47.32 | jason_ukfsn | OK, so at the next meeting Leeds ad SpudULikeare paying for all the drink. I'll make sure I'm not driving for a few days after ;) |
| 16:48.19 | Wethrin | :) |
| 16:49.02 | SpudULike | jason_ukfsn: I'm not sure if that makes YOU the winner or looser! |
| 16:50.44 | jason_ukfsn | well so long as you and Leeds are buying the drinks I figure I've won |
| 16:51.22 | Leeds | it's going to take a bit of time to get the cash through - I've got to contact some bloke in Amsterdam, and I'll probably have to pay some confirmation fees and stuff... |
| 16:55.26 | jason_ukfsn | I'm sure wont want to wait that long to share the joy and buy us all a drink or 20 each though ;) |
| 17:00.43 | murble | with mailman can you have multiple admin passwords? |
| 17:01.00 | murble | per list? |
| 17:01.04 | murble | or do all the list admins have to know the same password? |
| 17:02.32 | JD | Wethrin: when? |
| 17:03.11 | Leeds | JD: 14th/21st December |
| 17:03.38 | JD | hmmm |
| 17:03.38 | Wethrin | JD: Sunday evenings (dates as Leeds said) |
| 17:03.43 | JD | a bit far in advanced |
| 17:03.49 | Wethrin | I have one ticket available for each day... |
| 17:05.43 | murble | isn't it in london? |
| 17:05.48 | Leeds | out of interest, is it going to include time for things like makeup/costume changes? |
| 17:05.50 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 17:06.03 | Wethrin | Yes - they have stuff going on in between acts |
| 17:06.22 | Leeds | stuff=? |
| 17:06.30 | murble | how much do tickets cost? |
| 17:06.35 | Wethrin | Free |
| 17:06.44 | Wethrin | Leeds: I'm not entirely sure. :) |
| 17:06.51 | Wethrin | But something to keep the audience entertained |
| 17:07.07 | Leeds | I can juggle on stage! :-) |
| 17:07.11 | Wethrin | Cool :) |
| 17:10.59 | Wethrin | Likewise |
| 17:12.14 | Wethrin | Mmm. Home. |
| 17:12.30 | Leeds | and possibly getting a takeaway on the way :-) |
| 17:13.23 | Wethrin | MMMM :) |
| 17:13.28 | Wethrin | Should I have more pizza? |
| 17:13.55 | Leeds | pizza... now there's a plan :-) |
| 17:16.04 | Wethrin | Ooh. Ivan is in reception |
| 17:20.48 | Leeds | hmmm... |
| 17:44.05 | Wethrin | Just got back :) |
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| 18:22.19 | Clyphox | I'm in |
| 18:28.06 | Wethrin | That's one... |
| 18:32.32 | JD | Wethrin: I'm going to cambridg enow |
| 18:32.46 | JD | I will be on the end of a phone, but green park westbound at 11am? |
| 18:33.01 | Wethrin | Piccadilly Line? |
| 18:33.29 | Wethrin | Yeah, that should just about be okay - I can get 10am train from Beaconsfield, which arrives (I think) around 1045 at Marylebone |
| 18:34.14 | Wethrin | Send me a text when you arrive on London, or I'll send you one when I arrive (whichever is first) |
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| 18:44.19 | Wethrin | Hello LEeds. |
| 18:46.27 | Leeds | hello... |
| 18:46.43 | Wethrin | Oh. Come to the pub next week? |
| 18:46.53 | Leeds | when? |
| 18:47.03 | murble | Wethrin: can we have the pub meet for very large values of G? |
| 18:47.11 | Leeds | G? |
| 18:47.15 | murble | Greater |
| 18:47.19 | Leeds | ah |
| 18:47.30 | Wethrin | murble: Emergency #gllug meets tend to hapen in Central London |
| 18:47.39 | Wethrin | If you want a WycLug meet, that can be arranged... |
| 18:47.44 | murble | Wethrin: but they don't have to. |
| 18:48.00 | murble | I was thinking more towards marleybone |
| 18:48.16 | Wethrin | Oh, fair enough. |
| 18:48.18 | Leeds | when, anyway? |
| 18:48.28 | Wethrin | Haven't got that far yet :) |
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| 18:48.45 | murble | hi Marios |
| 18:48.46 | Leeds | well.. Thursday/Friday I can't make it - going to be in Paris :-) :-) |
| 18:48.51 | Marios_ | Hello people |
| 18:48.53 | Wethrin | murble: How about The Globe (opposite Baker Street) |
| 18:48.55 | murble | Leeds: on business? |
| 18:48.59 | murble | Wethrin: is it any good? |
| 18:49.02 | Wethrin | Leeds: Well......Wednesday? |
| 18:49.07 | Leeds | and I'd generally not come into town after work for just a pub meet anyway |
| 18:49.10 | Leeds | murble: no, pleasure |
| 18:49.18 | Wethrin | murble: I don't know. But if we don't like it, there's the Wetherspoons across the road |
| 18:49.18 | murble | Leeds: eurostar? |
| 18:49.22 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:49.27 | Marios_ | Eurostar? |
| 18:49.30 | Leeds | evening Marios_ |
| 18:49.33 | Wethrin | Eurostar. |
| 18:49.36 | Leeds | Marios_: channel tunnel? |
| 18:49.38 | murble | Wethrin: how about we go a bit furthur south |
| 18:49.43 | Marios_ | cool...I booked tickets for Eurostar 5 minutes ago |
| 18:49.49 | Wethrin | murble: Further down Baker Street? |
| 18:49.50 | Leeds | cool? when/where? |
| 18:49.54 | Marios_ | London to Brussels |
| 18:50.03 | Leeds | too? many? question? marks? |
| 18:50.03 | murble | what 40 quid? |
| 18:50.05 | Marios_ | Dec 29 - Jan 4 |
| 18:50.22 | murble | Marios: are you coming to fosdem later next year? |
| 18:50.36 | Marios_ | where? |
| 18:50.43 | Wethrin | Brussels |
| 18:50.45 | Leeds | murble: I think 60 is the normal minimum unless you catch a special offer, isn't it? |
| 18:50.52 | Leeds | Marios_: last weekend or so of Feb |
| 18:50.57 | Marios_ | ohhh |
| 18:51.00 | Marios_ | I can't |
| 18:51.05 | Leeds | much fun and beer! |
| 18:51.09 | Marios_ | 2005 for sure |
| 18:51.12 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 18:51.31 | Marios_ | any computer places to visit in London at the end of Dec ? |
| 18:51.36 | murble | Leeds: unless you are under 26 |
| 18:51.46 | murble | Leeds: my escape train cost 40 quid single. |
| 18:51.50 | murble | brussels to london. |
| 18:51.51 | Leeds | murble: oh, okay... I'm an adult :-P |
| 18:51.55 | murble | booked the day before. |
| 18:52.10 | murble | Leeds: but you'd like to be a child again? |
| 18:52.42 | Marios_ | lol |
| 18:52.56 | Wethrin | murble: Name a pub? |
| 18:53.07 | Marios_ | for London to Brussels I paid $90 |
| 18:53.13 | Leeds | "The Murble Arms" |
| 18:53.40 | Wethrin | ibot lart Leeds |
| 18:54.09 | Leeds | argj |
| 18:54.10 | Leeds | argh |
| 18:54.22 | Wethrin | args? |
| 18:54.26 | Wethrin | argc? argc? |
| 18:54.29 | Wethrin | *argv? |
| 18:56.01 | *** join/#gllug pie (~pie@82-68-20-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:56.39 | Leeds | argpie |
| 18:56.49 | pie | piearg? |
| 18:57.04 | pie | boing. |
| 18:58.06 | Leeds | do you think the Canopy guys are going to turn round soon and say "ha ha only joking - we can't believe anyone took us seriously for this long!" |
| 18:58.21 | Wethrin | Canopy? |
| 18:58.34 | pie | canopy? |
| 18:58.50 | pie | Canopie? |
| 18:59.00 | Leeds | t/a SCO Group |
| 18:59.05 | pie | t/a? |
| 18:59.35 | pie | Got a reference? |
| 18:59.43 | Leeds | trading as |
| 18:59.47 | Wethrin | :) |
| 18:59.57 | pie | Aaaah. |
| 19:00.10 | pie | Joking about what, what have they done now? |
| 19:01.39 | Leeds | well.. everything |
| 19:01.54 | Wethrin | I should go home. In fact, I should BE at home. |
| 19:02.04 | Wethrin | I shall rectify this situation forthwith |
| 19:02.05 | Leeds | the latest thing is deciding to go after BSD for the 1994 USL settlement |
| 19:02.09 | Leeds | Wethrin: why not home yet? |
| 19:02.21 | Wethrin | I'm a very dedicated employee :) |
| 19:02.31 | pie | Ah yes, I hate them. |
| 19:02.45 | pie | I hope they all die horrible and slow deaths, |
| 19:02.47 | pie | . |
| 19:02.58 | pie | Wethrin: it is not worth it, go home :) |
| 19:03.04 | Leeds | yeah, go home |
| 19:03.14 | Leeds | at home, that is... |
| 19:03.14 | Wethrin | Good! |
| 19:03.39 | Leeds | pie: what's up? |
| 19:03.47 | Wethrin | Bye! |
| 19:03.50 | pie | The Moon! |
| 19:03.51 | Leeds | bye |
| 19:04.02 | pie | rathergood.com/moon_song |
| 19:04.08 | Leeds | yes, of course... |
| 19:04.27 | Leeds | hmm... I think I missed it... |
| 19:04.31 | Leeds | he did a TV show |
| 19:04.46 | pie | I got my bar code scanner working |
| 19:04.56 | Leeds | was on yesterday morning |
| 19:05.01 | pie | with a nice little c program to get the input |
| 19:05.06 | Leeds | what are you scanning? I have a cuecat or two around here somewhere... |
| 19:05.31 | pie | Just random bar codes at the moment, it outputs an ascii string to the serial port |
| 19:05.47 | pie | I might use it for some e-commerce stuff or something |
| 19:05.55 | pie | You do c don't you? |
| 19:05.59 | Leeds | yup |
| 19:06.15 | pie | I have a problem with it |
| 19:06.32 | Leeds | C in general? or a specific problem? :-) |
| 19:06.35 | pie | I read a bar code form the serial port (after fopening it) |
| 19:06.39 | pie | both ;) |
| 19:06.46 | pie | using fgets |
| 19:07.26 | pie | which works fine. If the bar code is recognised it prints out the item details from a mysql database |
| 19:07.45 | pie | if it is unrecognised it prompts for an itm name to enter into the database. |
| 19:08.23 | pie | However, if the enter key is pressed before being prompted for an item name, the newline is buffered |
| 19:09.01 | pie | and when an unidentified bar code is scanned, the buffered newline automatically submits a blank item name |
| 19:09.23 | pie | I have been told that it is not possible to flush stdin |
| 19:09.37 | pie | Any ideas? |
| 19:09.47 | Leeds | readline? :-) |
| 19:09.50 | Leeds | um... |
| 19:10.05 | pie | readline? |
| 19:10.17 | Leeds | GNU line input library... used by bash and other things |
| 19:10.28 | pie | OK, how do I get that? |
| 19:10.36 | pie | and |
| 19:10.39 | pie | oops |
| 19:10.39 | Leeds | is GPLed so your stuff would have to be GPLed if distributed... and I have no idea how to use it |
| 19:11.00 | pie | Ah, that means I have less of a chance... |
| 19:11.07 | Leeds | ah, this is a work thing? |
| 19:11.11 | Marios_ | guys...what monitor resolutions do you use ?? |
| 19:11.11 | pie | My stuff will be GPLed anyway |
| 19:11.21 | pie | no, my c is poor ;) |
| 19:11.40 | Leeds | Marios_: 1600x1200 right now, because I've been playing around with it |
| 19:11.44 | pie | 1024*768 on my laptop because it is the only sane resolution on the hardware |
| 19:12.05 | pie | 1152*8something normally on a desktop |
| 19:12.09 | Leeds | pie: look at man readline - doesn't look that hard to use in a simple form :-) |
| 19:12.13 | pie | OK |
| 19:12.24 | Marios_ | I can have only 1152x864 in 75 frequency |
| 19:13.02 | Leeds | Marios_: is that because of monitor or graphics card or what? |
| 19:13.10 | Marios_ | I guess is my monitor |
| 19:13.30 | pie | I oculd do an fgets or fgetc *before* I print out the prompt for the item name... |
| 19:13.35 | Marios_ | if I do higher resolution the frequency goes to 60 |
| 19:13.35 | Leeds | don't guess, know |
| 19:13.51 | pie | I will have a look at the man page for readline too, thanks. |
| 19:15.10 | pie | OK, I have to go and make tea. |
| 19:15.12 | pie | later. |
| 19:15.16 | Marios_ | later pie |
| 19:15.38 | Leeds | seeya |
| 19:17.23 | Marios_ | I tried in both Linux and Windows |
| 19:17.50 | Leeds | are you using a recent xfree86? |
| 19:17.51 | Marios_ | when I do more 1280 x 1024 I get frequency only 60Hz |
| 19:18.01 | Leeds | and which graphics card? |
| 19:18.11 | Marios_ | Radeon 9200 |
| 19:18.27 | Leeds | hmm... I'm currently fighting with my Radeon |
| 19:19.00 | Marios_ | so I am sure Radeon 9200 supports 1280 x 1024 @ 85Hz |
| 19:19.11 | Marios_ | the only thing left is the monitor |
| 19:19.37 | Leeds | have a look at your XF86 log - it should tell you what modes the monitor says it supports |
| 19:19.56 | Marios_ | ok |
| 19:20.26 | Marios_ | is there a way to change the resolution directly from the monitor? |
| 19:20.27 | Leeds | I'm trying to play NWN with my 9000Pro and it's not working... |
| 19:21.07 | Marios_ | hmmm |
| 19:21.07 | Leeds | not as far as I know... it wouldn't make sense |
| 19:21.53 | Leeds | if your card was sending 1024x768 and your monitor was displaying 1280x1024 - what would you see? |
| 19:22.19 | Marios_ | I am actually talking about the frequency |
| 19:22.27 | Marios_ | cause it does display 1280x1024 |
| 19:22.36 | Leeds | you said resolution... |
| 19:22.42 | Marios_ | the problem is the frequency is only 60hz |
| 19:22.43 | Marios_ | sorry |
| 19:25.11 | Marios_ | http://www.fedora.info/fedora.htm |
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| 19:27.57 | Leeds_mac | ... |
| 19:28.22 | Marios_ | Mac ? |
| 19:28.24 | Marios_ | cool |
| 19:28.56 | Leeds_mac | yup :=) |
| 19:29.26 | Leeds_mac | but very unhappy TiVo :-( |
| 19:29.51 | Marios_ | what model ? |
| 19:30.20 | Leeds_mac | there is (or was) only one UK model |
| 19:31.05 | Marios_ | ohhh |
| 19:31.07 | Leeds_mac | they stopped making/selling them over here maybe 18 months ago now |
| 19:31.20 | Marios_ | so what is the UK model ? |
| 19:31.38 | Leeds_mac | it's not the same as any US models |
| 19:31.43 | Marios_ | ohh I see |
| 19:31.57 | Leeds_mac | 40/45 Gb disk... |
| 19:32.32 | Marios_ | coool |
| 19:32.35 | Jenson | heya guys |
| 19:32.43 | Marios_ | the famous here is the iMac |
| 19:32.45 | Leeds_mac | I put an extra 60 in mine :-) |
| 19:32.55 | Marios_ | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70806/wo/As1oOlddKV6p3aWG1aV4hBtgaGq/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.2.1.1.0.0.1.0 |
| 19:33.05 | Leeds_mac | hang on!!! |
| 19:33.10 | Marios_ | Hello Jenson |
| 19:33.35 | Leeds_mac | argh |
| 19:33.42 | Leeds_mac | fucking shitting chat clients!!! |
| 19:33.57 | Leeds_mac | You're talking about Macs - I'm not |
| 19:34.18 | Jenson | Leeds_mac: dont be rude darling |
| 19:34.25 | Marios_ | ???? |
| 19:34.36 | Marios_ | what mac then ? |
| 19:34.41 | Jenson | TiVo |
| 19:34.45 | Marios_ | ohhhhhh |
| 19:34.47 | Marios_ | lol |
| 19:34.47 | Jenson | thzats what we're talking about isnt it? |
| 19:35.01 | Leeds_mac | that's what I was talking about, yes |
| 19:35.10 | Leeds_mac | I've got a new 15inch powerbook... |
| 19:35.28 | Jenson | thats the one you had at gllug isnt it |
| 19:35.32 | Leeds_mac | yes |
| 19:35.58 | Marios_ | I see |
| 19:36.01 | Marios_ | do you like it? |
| 19:36.14 | Leeds_mac | yes |
| 19:36.49 | Marios_ | never used one |
| 19:37.24 | Leeds_mac | it's this strange combination of BSD and some strange and pretty thing |
| 19:37.45 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 19:39.45 | Jenson | my boyfriend is mad, he's working til midnight so he doesnt have to work at the weekend when its my birthday, since when did i become important and worth that much |
| 19:41.05 | Leeds_mac | yeah, he's mad, you're not worth it... |
| 19:41.15 | Jenson | exactly lol |
| 19:42.00 | Leeds_mac | hmmm... TiVo isn't seeing input :-( |
| 19:42.07 | Marios_ | lol |
| 19:42.12 | Marios_ | the Greek ?? |
| 19:42.18 | Jenson | actually, its been a month and i havent been mad at him or thought about cheating im doing well |
| 19:42.23 | Jenson | Marios_: yeh |
| 19:43.01 | Marios_ | tell him: "Se agapo" |
| 19:43.14 | Jenson | which means? |
| 19:43.28 | Jenson | plus, he cant read Greek, only speak it |
| 19:43.46 | Marios_ | just tell hime |
| 19:44.00 | Marios_ | means "I love you" |
| 19:44.32 | Jenson | i told him he's fucking insane instead lol |
| 19:45.24 | Marios_ | nooooooo |
| 19:46.13 | Jenson | well, thats not all i said :) |
| 19:46.47 | Marios_ | ohh I see |
| 19:47.43 | Jenson | you think, considering the first time i kissed him i was dating his best mate he wouldnt think so much of me |
| 19:48.56 | Marios_ | hhahahhahahaha poor guy |
| 19:50.25 | Jenson | I'm his first g/f |
| 19:50.33 | Jenson | He's very cute |
| 19:50.49 | Marios_ | first ?? |
| 19:50.52 | Jenson | He adorable, and he's very clingy |
| 19:50.54 | Jenson | yeh lol |
| 19:50.57 | Jenson | and he's 20 |
| 19:51.16 | Marios_ | very weird Greek |
| 19:51.17 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 19:51.39 | Jenson | im not the first person he slept with....I'm the third |
| 19:52.28 | Marios_ | ohhh I see |
| 19:52.32 | Marios_ | now I understand |
| 19:53.53 | Jenson | i think you'll like him, I told him we gotta come meet you when you are over here |
| 19:55.46 | Marios_ | heheehhehe sure |
| 19:56.14 | Jenson | grrrr, itcing and trying to read jobs in the paper is difficult |
| 19:58.11 | Leeds_mac | hmmm... very unhappy TiVo |
| 19:58.31 | Jenson | what did you do to him Leeds_mac |
| 19:58.53 | Leeds_mac | grr... even telnetd isn't responding |
| 19:59.00 | Leeds_mac | I watched a TV show... |
| 19:59.55 | Leeds_mac | which, to be fair, is exactly what the TiVo is for :-) |
| 20:03.34 | murble | Leeds_mac: but if the TiVo doesn't then you have to! |
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| 20:25.53 | Jenson | hiya again |
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| 20:32.07 | Jenson | wb |
| 20:32.12 | Jenson | BRB |
| 20:32.18 | Leeds_mac | ah! thanks |
| 20:45.26 | Jenson | back |
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| 20:59.42 | Jenson | note to self, listening to binaurual beat music created by someone who freely admits to being mentally ill in not sensible |
| 21:11.07 | Jenson | where is everyone? |
| 21:11.13 | eye69 | Here! |
| 21:11.23 | murble | over there! |
| 21:11.44 | Jenson | oh good |
| 21:11.44 | Clyphox | earth at least |
| 21:11.50 | Jenson | heya Clyphox baby |
| 21:12.09 | Clyphox | hello |
| 21:12.18 | Jenson | least you're here lol, i tried to talk your brother into coming to say hi |
| 21:12.22 | Jenson | but he wouldnt go near the pc |
| 21:21.55 | Leeds_mac | TiVo has nearly completed a 'daily' call... first time this week... |
| 21:22.34 | Clyphox | first time it completed or tried? |
| 21:22.38 | Leeds_mac | still not getting input AFAIK... I really don't want to go play with cables |
| 21:22.47 | Jenson | who wants me to dcc them a cool mp3 |
| 21:23.08 | Leeds_mac | completed... but it's ben wedged most of the week - I only got round to rebooting it this evening |
| 21:24.22 | Leeds_mac | I might have to replace the drive :-( |
| 21:33.23 | Jenson | too many versions of Leeds |
| 21:33.57 | Leeds | so the next plan is to leave the TiVo turned off overnight in the hope that it will clear the input buffer... since 15 seconds of off doesn't seem to do it |
| 21:38.46 | Leeds | late-night shopping is cool :-) |
| 21:38.58 | Clyphox | they are open? |
| 21:39.03 | Leeds | until 10 |
| 21:39.16 | Jenson | go for it |
| 21:39.24 | Jenson | Leeds: or just go to tescos :) |
| 21:39.24 | Clyphox | bah.. I miss the gulf.. open 24/7 |
| 21:39.31 | Leeds | I'm not going to go... it takes maybe 10 minutes to get there and park anyway - and I don't need anything I can't buy tomorrow or over the weekend... |
| 21:39.56 | Leeds | Clyphox: got 24-hour tescos :-) |
| 21:39.56 | Leeds | except at weekends :-( |
| 21:40.19 | Clyphox | yeah.. thats nice.. used to go almost 3-5 times a week after a bit of mid-night frisbee in Abdn :-) |
| 21:40.30 | Leeds | oh, wait... late opening isn't until 1/12 |
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| 21:41.01 | Leeds | maybe I'll go to Tescos later... |
| 21:41.04 | Leeds | evening morsing |
| 21:41.17 | morsing | Evening! |
| 21:42.18 | Leeds | how's things with you? |
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| 21:43.38 | Jenson | i have no clue what i just did then |
| 21:43.49 | Jenson | well i do, but then i didnt know what to do next |
| 21:44.06 | Jenson | it just took open office writer literally about 3 minutes to load one document |
| 21:44.29 | Leeds | oops |
| 21:45.12 | Jenson | yeh |
| 21:45.17 | Jenson | mdk = bad distro |
| 21:45.32 | Leeds | slack = good distro :-P |
| 21:45.52 | Jenson | yeh |
| 21:46.08 | Jenson | but my slack 8.1 disc is corrupted and my slck 9 disc ive lost |
| 21:46.44 | Jenson | well mozilla obviously thinks its a bad idea i apply for that job so i wont |
| 21:46.56 | Jenson | dont think i can be bothered to go to chelmsford anyway |
| 21:47.20 | Leeds | http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/general/#Slackware |
| 21:47.40 | Jenson | Leeds: yeh, cozmonort has the iso, i have the burner |
| 21:47.51 | Clyphox | I'll burn you a copy if you want |
| 21:47.58 | Clyphox | stick a gentoo cd together for you |
| 21:48.01 | Clyphox | :-P |
| 21:48.22 | Leeds | bah |
| 21:48.26 | Jenson | Clyphox: i have a gentoo liveCD but i dont inderstand it |
| 21:48.34 | Jenson | i hated mdk 9.2 so i sold it on ebay lol |
| 21:48.55 | Clyphox | Jenson: links /install.html |
| 21:49.06 | Jenson | yeh i read that |
| 21:49.10 | Jenson | then i still didnt get it |
| 21:49.25 | Clyphox | hmm.. it is in english |
| 21:49.30 | Jenson | yeh lol |
| 21:49.34 | Jenson | but im dumb |
| 21:49.55 | Jenson | i have however discovered that a text based mdk install is much easier than the gui one |
| 21:50.01 | Leeds | and did you ask for help and stick it out, or did you quit? |
| 21:50.15 | Jenson | Leeds: i installed mdk |
| 21:50.21 | Jenson | then i fucked mdk |
| 21:50.26 | Jenson | then i installed slack |
| 21:50.29 | Jenson | but it was corrupted |
| 21:50.34 | Jenson | then i installed mdk 9.2 |
| 21:50.39 | Jenson | but it was fucked |
| 21:50.42 | Jenson | so i sold it on ebay |
| 21:50.46 | Jenson | and installed 9.1 |
| 21:50.56 | Clyphox | and upgraded? |
| 21:51.04 | Jenson | lol downgraded |
| 21:51.11 | Jenson | went from 9.2 back to 9.1 |
| 21:51.19 | Jenson | i intend on Slack 9.1 next |
| 21:51.21 | Clyphox | *blink( |
| 21:51.33 | Clyphox | whats wrong with 8.1? |
| 21:51.39 | Jenson | slack 8.1? |
| 21:51.47 | Clyphox | *nod* |
| 21:51.57 | Jenson | nothing, except the disc is scratched |
| 21:52.01 | Jenson | and ive lost slack 9 |
| 21:52.26 | Jenson | i dont keep much in cases unless it isnt mine |
| 21:52.31 | Jenson | or if its a DVD |
| 21:52.55 | Jenson | yay my mailer is annoying me again |
| 21:53.00 | Clyphox | I'll give you a new 240 CD/dvd holder for a tenner if you want |
| 21:53.14 | Leeds | and a CD-writer for 20 |
| 21:53.15 | Jenson | one of those massive soft case ones? |
| 21:53.24 | Jenson | Leeds: i have a cd writer |
| 21:53.25 | Clyphox | yeah |
| 21:53.34 | Jenson | Clyphox: oooh Ross has one of those |
| 21:53.42 | Jenson | i want one too, just too lazy to buy it |
| 21:53.52 | Clyphox | I have 7 |
| 21:53.57 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:53.58 | Jenson | why? |
| 21:54.10 | Clyphox | was selling them on ebay |
| 21:54.18 | Jenson | shit i missed that |
| 21:54.21 | Leeds | back of a lorry? |
| 21:54.22 | Jenson | i dont know your ebay id |
| 21:54.43 | Clyphox | no point. my account is suspended |
| 21:54.48 | Jenson | why? |
| 21:55.00 | Clyphox | cause I sold all 7 but thanks to being homelss coulnd't post them |
| 21:55.09 | Jenson | woopsies |
| 21:55.23 | Jenson | and you did try to explain this fact |
| 21:55.30 | Leeds | why couldn't you post them? |
| 21:55.59 | Jenson | i think everyone knows my ebay id by now |
| 21:56.01 | Clyphox | Leeds: lack of funds.. only got paid 2 months worth of money last week |
| 21:56.13 | Leeds | right, but if you'd been paid for them... |
| 21:56.15 | murble | Clyphox: oh so you got paid, cool! |
| 21:56.25 | Clyphox | Nikki has good timing</rant> |
| 21:56.36 | Jenson | Clyphox: ooooh, you have money :) |
| 21:57.05 | Clyphox | no I owe orange (thanks to Nikki) and rent still |
| 21:57.19 | Jenson | Clyphox: i usually owe orange |
| 21:57.22 | Jenson | just paid mine |
| 21:57.29 | Clyphox | Currently applying for a job titled "Santa Helper" |
| 21:57.39 | Leeds | Clyphox the elf? |
| 21:57.44 | Jenson | next bill in 5 days, could be fun, as costa was in thialand on international call rayes |
| 21:57.47 | Clyphox | IE: warehouse executive |
| 21:58.03 | Clyphox | IE: grunt |
| 21:58.05 | Jenson | there seems to be a lot of linux jobs in chelmsford |
| 21:58.12 | Clyphox | IE: they give me money! |
| 21:58.39 | Wethrin | Grunt? |
| 21:58.45 | Jenson | IE: you buy me stuff? |
| 21:58.48 | Jenson | heya Wethrin |
| 21:58.49 | Leeds | schlepper |
| 21:59.48 | Jenson | shit, i was gonna look at something importantr, i always load the browser then forget what i wanted |
| 22:00.28 | Wethrin | Schlop |
| 22:00.34 | Wethrin | That was an interesting Horizon |
| 22:00.47 | Jenson | Wethrin: yeh i had to video it for my dad |
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| 22:01.05 | Leeds | hey JonB |
| 22:01.08 | JonB | hey leeds |
| 22:01.32 | Wethrin | Bob? |
| 22:01.59 | Wethrin | An. Jonb. |
| 22:02.39 | Jenson | grrr my wein 98 install is more responsive than this |
| 22:02.45 | JonB | Wethrin: what about me ? |
| 22:02.56 | Wethrin | Red Wein, or White Wein? |
| 22:03.12 | Leeds | JonB: vi/emacs? |
| 22:03.29 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:03.35 | Wethrin | Is the Wein from Wien? |
| 22:03.35 | Wethrin | JonB: Hi |
| 22:03.49 | Leeds | Wiener Wein? |
| 22:04.31 | Wethrin | Wien bleibt Wien |
| 22:04.49 | Wethrin | Time to watch QI. Back in 30. |
| 22:05.09 | Leeds | QI? |
| 22:05.10 | Clyphox | QI? |
| 22:05.16 | Leeds | QI? |
| 22:05.25 | Clyphox | Ahh IQ |
| 22:05.25 | Leeds | Quamtum Imp? |
| 22:05.40 | Jenson | its on channel 2 |
| 22:05.42 | Jenson | or 1 |
| 22:05.48 | Clyphox | I think there was a show called IQ at any rate |
| 22:06.46 | JonB | Leeds: vi |
| 22:06.54 | JonB | Wethrin: well, hi there |
| 22:06.58 | Leeds | JonB: good man - that's what I like to hear :-) |
| 22:07.57 | JonB | Leeds: hehe |
| 22:08.39 | Leeds_mac | um... |
| 22:08.45 | Leeds_mac | not like that |
| 22:09.04 | Clyphox | heh.. /me was thinking about Bo Selecta |
| 22:16.19 | JonB | how many people are in gglug ? |
| 22:16.23 | JonB | gllug |
| 22:16.35 | Leeds_mac | glug glug glug |
| 22:17.12 | Leeds_mac | there are a few hundred people on our mailing lists... between 40 and 120 people at meetings... about 10-15 regulars on here... |
| 22:17.38 | Jenson | im on the mailing list |
| 22:17.42 | Jenson | i dont ever read it |
| 22:17.50 | Leeds_mac | yeah, well... |
| 22:17.50 | Jenson | welll thats not true |
| 22:17.55 | Jenson | i read it if i ask something |
| 22:18.01 | Jenson | but its easier to ask in here |
| 22:18.01 | JonB | hmm, thats alot of people at meetings. How often do you have meetings? |
| 22:18.18 | Leeds_mac | every 4-5 weeks or so at the moment |
| 22:18.54 | Leeds_mac | and occasional 'pubmeets' between... ther's also lonix... |
| 22:19.00 | JonB | lonix ? |
| 22:19.23 | Leeds_mac | the other London-wide group |
| 22:19.46 | JonB | why are there 2 ? |
| 22:19.47 | Leeds_mac | GLLUG meets on a Saturday in central London - behind TCR at the moment... |
| 22:20.18 | Leeds_mac | Lonix meets for beer and food at various places around central London, normally on a Wednesday about once a month |
| 22:20.44 | Leeds_mac | GLLUG has talks, demos and people bring their machines along for help... then beer and food... |
| 22:20.50 | Leeds_mac | Lonix has... beer and food :-) |
| 22:22.14 | Leeds_mac | they're from different histories... and they don't really clash - and most members cross over - not that either has formal membership |
| 22:22.27 | JonB | okay |
| 22:22.43 | Leeds_mac | you interested in coming along? |
| 22:23.36 | JonB | Leeds_mac: if i'm in London, sure, why not |
| 22:23.48 | Leeds_mac | are you in London? :-) |
| 22:24.06 | JonB | Leeds_mac: not right now |
| 22:24.30 | Leeds_mac | are you mobile or moving? |
| 22:24.53 | JonB | Leeds_mac: i occasional visit london |
| 22:25.01 | JonB | i did once last summer, and the summer before that |
| 22:25.20 | Leeds_mac | cool... we tend to take breaks in the summer though... |
| 22:25.20 | JonB | and a friend is pressing me to come and visit him |
| 22:25.27 | Leeds_mac | where are you based? |
| 22:25.53 | JonB | Leeds_mac: Copenhagen |
| 22:26.14 | Leeds_mac | ah! You coming to FOSDEM then? :-) |
| 22:26.20 | JonB | FOSDEM? |
| 22:26.29 | Leeds_mac | FOSDEM! |
| 22:26.40 | Jenson | bah, i was about to buy from that site, but they want IE, AOL IE or WEbTV IE, so screw them |
| 22:27.08 | Jenson | and they are really bitchy about other browsers |
| 22:27.19 | Leeds_mac | JonB: open source/free software/whatever weekend community event in Brussels, in February |
| 22:27.50 | JonB | Leeds_mac: february... it might colide with our local danish Linuxforum |
| 22:27.58 | Leeds_mac | people come from all over north/west Europe |
| 22:28.28 | JonB | Leeds_mac: oh, thats march 5 and 6 |
| 22:28.33 | JonB | Leeds_mac: i might |
| 22:28.36 | JonB | come then |
| 22:28.53 | Leeds_mac | nope, no clash |
| 22:29.12 | Leeds_mac | there's normally a gang of us there |
| 22:29.14 | JonB | Leeds_mac: thats good |
| 22:29.22 | JonB | Leeds_mac: do you have a website for it ? |
| 22:29.32 | Leeds_mac | fosdem.org :-) |
| 22:29.51 | JonB | Leeds_mac: which language do they speak ? |
| 22:30.07 | Leeds_mac | English, mainly... all the talks are in English |
| 22:31.09 | Leeds_mac | as I say - there are normally people there from the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, at least - so English is easiest :-) |
| 22:32.28 | JonB | Leeds_mac: there is no talks that really sparcs my interrest |
| 22:32.54 | JonB | Leeds_mac: dont you have any local linux event ? |
| 22:33.47 | Leeds_mac | there is a UK national conference run by the UK Unix Users Group |
| 22:33.59 | JonB | Leeds_mac: okay |
| 22:34.08 | Leeds_mac | in the summer, somewhere in the UK for a weekend... was in Edinburgh in August |
| 22:34.28 | Wethrin | Back |
| 22:34.32 | Leeds_mac | there's also one or two 'trade shows' - Linux Expo was in October, LinuxWorld might happen next year |
| 22:34.36 | SpudULike | The talks at FOSDEM are almost secondary the the more important 'beer and food' thing. |
| 22:34.55 | JonB | SpudULike: heh |
| 22:35.27 | Leeds_mac | SpudULike: quite right, although Maddog is always entertaining, and I'm interested to hear Jon Corbet, Keith Packard and Hans Reiser |
| 22:35.38 | SpudULike | I even suspect that they are only really listed to those lucky enough can claim the visit on expenses. |
| 22:35.59 | Leeds_mac | SpudULike: now why would you think that? :-) |
| 22:36.20 | SpudULike | Because I'm a cynic. |
| 22:36.43 | Leeds_mac | JonB: they also normally have at least a couple of 'developer rooms' or 'tracks' which have separate programs - things like GNOME, embedded, Mozilla, etc. |
| 22:37.24 | Leeds_mac | and then of course there's always John Hearnes drunk, which is well worth seeing :-) |
| 22:37.31 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:37.54 | JonB | Leeds_mac: well, it sounds alot like our local linuxforum |
| 22:37.54 | SpudULike | Leeds speaks the truth. |
| 22:38.01 | JonB | Leeds_mac: so, why travel ? |
| 22:38.26 | Leeds_mac | because Brussels is fun, it's a big event, and lots of people travel to get there... |
| 22:38.30 | Jenson | SpudULike: you're alive! Did you get that Mitch Benn link I left you about 3 weeks ago? |
| 22:38.36 | JonB | how many people ? |
| 22:38.53 | Leeds_mac | good question - a few hundred at least |
| 22:39.03 | Leeds_mac | it's free, so they don't have hard numbers |
| 22:39.20 | SpudULike | Jenson: Thank you, yes, he's as good as I expected. |
| 22:39.43 | Leeds_mac | oh, and there's always one secret celebrity, because they tend to give an annual FSF award there |
| 22:40.02 | JonB | Leeds_mac: just a few hundred? i think our linux forum had 600 last year (sold in 26 hours) and they aim for 900? this year (they dont have space for more) |
| 22:40.29 | Jenson | SpudULike: i got introduced to Mitch Benn with the song "Crap Shag" whilst sitting on my then boy/fs bed for the first time, and I'm thinking, yeh, ok, what you trying to say |
| 22:41.04 | Leeds_mac | JonB: so, don't come... but FOSDEM is a European thing, not a local one... which is what the Linuxforum looks like |
| 22:41.29 | JonB | Leeds_mac: yeah, all my friends come there |
| 22:41.47 | pie | Yarrow! |
| 22:42.09 | Leeds_mac | JonB: looks more like a trade show than a conference to me, anyway... charging for stands??? |
| 22:42.24 | Leeds_mac | anyway... |
| 22:42.53 | SpudULike | The main FOSDEM lecture theatre must hold 700 and was full on one occasion at least. |
| 22:42.55 | JonB | Leeds_mac: well, there is some stands for commercial interrests, but they have speaks and small sessions as well |
| 22:43.05 | JonB | SpudULike: okay |
| 22:43.37 | Leeds | before the bakery closes |
| 22:43.44 | *** join/#gllug Clyphox (~clyphox@82-35-127-97.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:43.54 | Jenson | re |
| 22:44.21 | Leeds | SpudULike: how many people at Linux Expo, you reckon? :-) |
| 22:44.23 | JonB | Leeds_mac: the speaks at linuxforum is much like those that are mentioned at FOSDEM |
| 22:44.40 | Jenson | Right time for sleep |
| 22:44.44 | Jenson | Night people |
| 22:45.39 | SpudULike | Leeds Hard to say on expos, maybe 2000+ visitors? |
| 22:45.47 | JonB | Leeds: anyway, have you heard about linux-vserver ? |
| 22:49.46 | murble | JonB: you mean the chroot by more so thing? |
| 22:49.53 | JonB | murble: yes |
| 22:50.16 | murble | are you using it? |
| 22:50.16 | JonB | murble: yes |
| 22:51.07 | murble | with random untrusted users? |
| 22:51.53 | JonB | murble: well, they can DoS your machine from within, but how is that different from DDoS'ing it ? |
| 22:52.01 | JonB | murble: but else, yes you can |
| 22:54.07 | gregj | but i've got vmware, uupi |
| 22:55.04 | gregj | my baaack.. |
| 22:55.16 | gregj | no more walking from asda on foot |
| 22:55.28 | gregj | i'll take dlr next time |
| 22:55.56 | JonB | gregj: asda? dlr ? |
| 22:55.58 | murble | gregj: the vservers patch has a much lower overhead than either of those. |
| 22:56.16 | murble | JonB: aa supermarket and the docklands light railway |
| 22:56.53 | JonB | murble: okay |
| 22:57.23 | murble | gregj: isn't it almost asmuch effort to go up to the dlr platforms as it is to walk? |
| 22:58.11 | gregj | murble: hehe |
| 22:58.17 | JonB | what about a bicycle ? |
| 22:58.48 | JonB | gregj: ebay ? |
| 23:00.38 | murble | JonB: i rember carrying 2 shopping bags on eith handlebar as a student :) |
| 23:01.06 | JonB | murble: get a BIG backpack |
| 23:01.26 | murble | JonB: oh i had a rucksack as well, but normally full of bookage or computer :) |
| 23:01.51 | murble | JonB: because i tended to go to the supermarket on the way back from the uni or somthing, fortunly they opened all nigth during the week which is useful. |
| 23:02.01 | murble | so i'm quite used to doing shopping at 0400 :) |
| 23:02.49 | JonB | murble: thats not fair, our latest closes at 22 |
| 23:03.16 | murble | JonB: yeah, that is one of the problems with europe |
| 23:03.40 | murble | in luxembourg they all seem to close by 1800 or at the latest 2000 |
| 23:03.45 | JonB | murble: i suppose you shopped for yourself? |
| 23:04.05 | JonB | murble: why cant your daily groceries not be in a backpack with books ? |
| 23:04.12 | murble | JonB: I've not used webshopping as they normally charge more than it costs to catch a taxi back from town for delivery! |
| 23:04.24 | murble | JonB: that would have requiredshopping dairly! |
| 23:04.29 | murble | s/dairly/daily/ |
| 23:04.41 | murble | anyway i don't do that any more as i'm not a student. |
| 23:04.56 | murble | just an enemployable bum. |
| 23:05.06 | JonB | murble: okay |
| 23:05.14 | JonB | murble: what did you study ? |
| 23:05.32 | murble | compsci |
| 23:05.56 | JonB | murble: for how long ? |
| 23:09.30 | murble | um 3 years + 1 year industrial placement + 1 year working full time and theoritclaly being a fulltime student to do my project(actually mostly done the 2 weeks before the deadline..) |
| 23:10.00 | JonB | murble: and now you have a bachelor degree? or a master? |
| 23:11.01 | murble | just a normal BSc |
| 23:11.05 | murble | Hons |
| 23:11.19 | murble | so it is possible in 3 years, although i had to do the placement to get the Hons |
| 23:11.50 | JonB | hons ? |
| 23:11.55 | murble | honours |
| 23:11.58 | JonB | ok |
| 23:15.16 | JonB | murble: and it is hard to get a job ? |
| 23:15.23 | murble | JonB: no idea. |
| 23:15.35 | murble | I still need to update my CV |
| 23:15.45 | JonB | murble: you're not looking ? |
| 23:15.51 | murble | although not a lot is being advertised and i'm totally crap at filling in application forms |
| 23:16.03 | JonB | murble: i wonder when your mom will kick you out of the basement |
| 23:16.04 | gregj | hmm, getting bike from ebay while i am sys admin of ebay for ppl that are cycling... |
| 23:16.04 | murble | JonB: more that i've not seen stuff i want to apply for. |
| 23:16.07 | JonB | ;-) |
| 23:16.07 | gregj | bit mad idea |
| 23:16.27 | JonB | gregj: well, you could buy one somewhere else |
| 23:16.40 | murble | gregj: I got my bike for 5 quid from the dump |
| 23:16.58 | murble | ok i had to spend some money fixing it up, but still much cheaper than most 2nd hand bikes. |
| 23:17.08 | gregj | ;] |
| 23:17.21 | murble | my new bulb for my front light cost more than the bike... |
| 23:17.25 | gregj | i am off home from 11 dec to 11 jan, and i think i'll bring my one along |
| 23:17.43 | murble | gregj: travaling surface? |
| 23:18.03 | gregj | ? |
| 23:18.13 | murble | gregj: are you taking your bike on a plane? |
| 23:18.20 | gregj | yes |
| 23:18.29 | gregj | at least that's my aim |
| 23:18.36 | murble | good luck! |
| 23:18.52 | JonB | murble: well, i suppose a new one would be nicer to drive, but probably also stolen instantly when you turn away |
| 23:18.55 | murble | gregj: i assume you're not going to be using a cheapairline then. |
| 23:18.55 | gregj | murble: they say i can do this, will see |
| 23:19.00 | JonB | Leeds: now ? |
| 23:19.01 | gregj | murble: BA |
| 23:19.04 | Leeds | JonB: sure |
| 23:19.23 | murble | JonB: my previous bike that was 10 years old and had a buckled back wheel had that wheel stolen at the station.. |
| 23:19.27 | Leeds | falafel and friends |
| 23:19.50 | JonB | murble: lock both wheels |
| 23:20.08 | murble | JonB: yeah, but it was an old crap bike, the people that stole it would have had no use for it. |
| 23:20.13 | murble | so clearly just bastardish kids. |
| 23:20.27 | Leeds | murble: get a job, you bum... anyway - 2.70 for falafel isn't bad |
| 23:20.30 | JonB | murble: still, 2 locks would prevent them from steeling the wheels |
| 23:20.34 | murble | JonB: not always possible when you are in a hurry to catch a train. |
| 23:20.41 | gregj | Leeds: hehe |
| 23:20.48 | JonB | Leeds: falafel? what about meat ? |
| 23:20.53 | murble | once i left my bike not properly locked at that statino for a week and it was ok... |
| 23:20.56 | gregj | there is meat there |
| 23:21.08 | Leeds | JonB: they'd stopped the shwarma for the night... could have had chicken |
| 23:21.08 | murble | (got to station as train was leaving after oversleeping and need to catch flight.) |
| 23:22.14 | murble | gregj.halt(); |
| 23:22.16 | JonB | Leeds: i'd rather starve then |
| 23:22.27 | gregj | murble: SIG_SLEEPING |
| 23:22.37 | Leeds | JonB: well, there were two other (kosher) places I could have gone... but falafel is fine |
| 23:22.57 | gregj | :] |
| 23:23.52 | JonB | i dont |
| 23:24.03 | JonB | eat animals, not their food |
| 23:24.11 | murble | signal(SIGCONT, SIG_IGN); |
| 23:25.12 | JonB | find /room -name bed |
| 23:25.30 | Leeds | . |
| 23:25.47 | gregj | hehe |
| 23:26.05 | murble | JonB: don't you want a -print? |
| 23:26.19 | Wethrin | -print is often implied |
| 23:26.36 | Leeds | not on UNIX |
| 23:26.39 | JonB | murble: no |
| 23:26.52 | gregj | Wethrin: :-) |
| 23:26.55 | Wethrin | Leeds: No, but I think the GNU find implies it |
| 23:27.05 | murble | Wethrin: who implied GNU find? |
| 23:27.09 | Leeds | true... but well, you know... :-) |
| 23:27.09 | JonB | murble: but i might need an -exec sleep |
| 23:27.24 | murble | sleep 8h |
| 23:27.35 | Wethrin | It's a LUG channel. Plus Linux people often have an all-the-world-is-GNU mentality |
| 23:27.51 | gregj | Wethrin: it isn't ?? |
| 23:28.01 | Wethrin | :) |
| 23:28.12 | JonB | it's a brand GNU world |
| 23:28.20 | gregj | *g* |
| 23:28.27 | murble | Wethrin: certainly linux is not the enemy here. |
| 23:28.54 | gregj | 23:28 < sigthor> Dvorak allows up to 3x more sleep time due to time saved in typing ;-P |
| 23:28.56 | Leeds | murble: but it's not the be all snd end all either |