| 00:00.03 | Marios_ | I can pay up to 800 a month |
| 00:00.03 | murb | highbury: not too bad atleast in the hours of daylight ;) |
| 00:00.13 | murb | Marios: for how long? |
| 00:00.27 | murb | you intend to earn atleast 20k a year? |
| 00:00.31 | Marios_ | till I buy a house |
| 00:00.41 | murb | in london? |
| 00:00.45 | Marios_ | well my wife and I |
| 00:01.16 | Marios_ | so we will get two salaries |
| 00:01.22 | murb | london surburbia is very expensive for houses as is the entire south east. |
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| 00:01.27 | murb | Marios: what does your wife do? |
| 00:01.43 | Marios_ | Accountant |
| 00:02.10 | murble | Marios: is she a chartered accountant? |
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| 00:02.28 | Marios_ | she is the American equivalent |
| 00:02.33 | Marios_ | but she is planning to take the exam when she comes over |
| 00:03.31 | Marios_ | murb << what do you think ? |
| 00:03.38 | Marios_ | is it too much for there? |
| 00:04.13 | murble | Marios_: I'd be suprised if you could find much more than a shoe box for 800 a month that centeral in london. |
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| 00:04.32 | highbury | I agree with murble |
| 00:04.42 | Marios_ | shoe box ?? lol |
| 00:05.08 | Wethrin_ | Hi |
| 00:05.10 | Marios_ | my wife told me that before....cause I have a nice Plasma TV here 54" |
| 00:05.19 | Marios_ | and she said it won't fit anywhere !!! |
| 00:05.38 | highbury | 2 bed flat in N5, close to Highbury & Islington Tube £850 per month |
| 00:06.00 | Wethrin_ | How big? |
| 00:06.19 | Marios_ | 2 bed flat doesn't say much |
| 00:06.33 | highbury | small |
| 00:06.44 | highbury | imagine small NY flat sizes |
| 00:07.00 | murble | I know someone living in an gated appartment block in elephant and castle, pays 900 for a 1 room thing, with a fold down bed, because there wouldn't be enoughr oom otherwise. |
| 00:07.14 | Marios_ | lol |
| 00:07.30 | highbury | check out London Estate Agent Websites |
| 00:07.33 | Marios_ | so...I should change plans and move North |
| 00:07.40 | murble | as in my bedroom here is probably about the size of that entire place. |
| 00:07.49 | Leeds | North is good |
| 00:08.08 | Marios_ | I have family in Haringay |
| 00:08.12 | murble | Marios: in high wycombe you could get a good sized flat for 850 a month |
| 00:08.22 | highbury | first rent anywhere for 3 months if possible, find job, move as close in as you can afford |
| 00:08.27 | murble | probably simular in other commuter towns |
| 00:08.40 | highbury | You should stay on Underground Network |
| 00:08.40 | Marios_ | I see |
| 00:08.48 | Marios_ | yeah of course |
| 00:08.54 | highbury | if you want to go into town easily |
| 00:08.58 | Marios_ | I like the tube ...very convenient |
| 00:09.06 | murble | highbury: i'd extend that to you should stay somewhere that has night busses. |
| 00:09.13 | highbury | Buses are good too! |
| 00:09.28 | Marios_ | I ll sell my car and here and buy a car iN london |
| 00:09.32 | murble | night busses is one reason i would live in london. |
| 00:09.49 | Wethrin_ | Wycombe has good rail links into London between ~6am and midnight |
| 00:09.52 | murble | Marios: you don't want to know how much a car in london is going to cost you. |
| 00:10.06 | Marios_ | I checked some prices |
| 00:10.21 | murble | Marios: i mean running, parking and congestion charge costs. |
| 00:10.27 | Wethrin_ | Who would want a car in London? |
| 00:10.33 | Leeds | you really don't want to drive into town |
| 00:10.35 | Marios_ | murble << you want me to bring my car from here ?? it won't fit in any street or Parking spot |
| 00:10.36 | Wethrin_ | (specially Central London) |
| 00:10.51 | murble | Wethrin: don't know, a bicycle would probably be a better idea for personal transport. |
| 00:10.59 | Marios_ | so you guys don't have cars? |
| 00:11.03 | Leeds | I drive to work... but then I don't work in London and I do get parking at the office |
| 00:11.08 | murble | Marios: I don't have a driving license even. |
| 00:11.16 | murble | Marios: and i've not needed one really. |
| 00:11.19 | Wethrin_ | Yes, although cycling in London doesn't seem to be the most wonderful transport either |
| 00:11.31 | murble | having worked in Brussels, Luxembourg, Eindhoven and London in recent months. |
| 00:11.48 | murble | Wethrin: lots of london is walkabout anyway. |
| 00:11.54 | resuDaed | any lilo experts? |
| 00:12.02 | murble | resuDaed: what do you want to do with it? |
| 00:12.03 | Wethrin_ | murble: Most things within the Circle Line, anyway |
| 00:12.11 | Wethrin_ | (given enough time) |
| 00:12.19 | Marios_ | very different way of living from the US |
| 00:12.26 | Leeds | resuDaed: blow into the valve until it's firm, then sit on it in the pool |
| 00:12.33 | highbury | Marios_, where do you live |
| 00:12.34 | resuDaed | the machine I am working on is stopping an LI |
| 00:12.35 | murble | Marios: have you ever lived in the UK? |
| 00:12.47 | murble | resuDaed: did you build a new kernel and not run lilo afterwards? |
| 00:12.55 | murble | or copy files arround like vmlinuz or somthing? |
| 00:13.07 | Marios_ | not in UK....I live in Michigan |
| 00:13.12 | resuDaed | I ran lilo after changes |
| 00:13.20 | Marios_ | and I stayed in countries like Greece and Cyprus |
| 00:13.21 | highbury | imagine living in New York |
| 00:13.26 | murble | resuDaed: what sized disk was it on? |
| 00:13.32 | resuDaed | 1.2G |
| 00:13.33 | Marios_ | well in Chicago is not that bad |
| 00:13.36 | Wethrin_ | (although I've forgotten most of what went on already) |
| 00:13.39 | murble | s/disk/partition/ |
| 00:13.45 | highbury | you wouldn't keep a car in Manhattan, unless you were very rich |
| 00:13.46 | Marios_ | you still need a car there |
| 00:13.57 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.02 | highbury | maybe Queens |
| 00:14.06 | Wethrin_ | 50MB? Luxury! |
| 00:14.12 | Wethrin_ | I've got hard drives smaller than that |
| 00:14.15 | murble | one of my co workers was from Chicago, both his brothers were shot, and his sister died from aids related somthing from IV drug use.. |
| 00:14.19 | resuDaed | Wethrin_ : so have I :-) |
| 00:14.20 | murble | s/co/ex &/ |
| 00:14.34 | murble | resuDaed: run it again? |
| 00:14.50 | Marios_ | murble << Chicago is not that bad as they say |
| 00:15.05 | murble | Marios: yeah, i know one person that go out alive atleast! |
| 00:15.11 | highbury | any city has good parts and bad parts |
| 00:15.13 | resuDaed | murble : ran it many times now, attempted to debug lilo.conf with no success |
| 00:15.23 | murble | what does root and boot lines say? |
| 00:15.43 | Marios_ | when you are in Chicago just don't go South...always North and you are in the safe side |
| 00:15.45 | highbury | do you use ramdisk |
| 00:16.00 | resuDaed | highbury : initrd? then yes |
| 00:16.11 | Leeds | Wethrin: how about a decent PROM? |
| 00:16.29 | highbury | resuDaed, you usually have to recreate it, after compiling a new kernel |
| 00:16.34 | murble | Leeds: can you buy PCs with OF? |
| 00:16.39 | murble | i mean x86 ones. |
| 00:16.40 | Wethrin | Leeds: I included that with decent architecture |
| 00:16.42 | Leeds | murble: nope |
| 00:16.43 | highbury | mkinitrd or its like |
| 00:16.53 | Wethrin | murble: Have a look into OpenBIOS |
| 00:17.06 | murble | Wethrin: isn't that the same as linuxbios? |
| 00:17.09 | Wethrin | They're trying to do something quite similar to OF for PCs |
| 00:17.20 | murble | and i used to have a compatible board for that, but had to give it to my mother :( |
| 00:17.24 | resuDaed | one sec, am waiting for machine to boot of rescue cd kernel |
| 00:17.25 | Wethrin | Almost. LinuxBIOS grabbed code off them |
| 00:17.28 | murble | and i'm not sure what i did with my disk on chip. |
| 00:17.41 | Wethrin | And just got the bare minimum to boot Linux with |
| 00:17.43 | murble | Wethrin: I think linuxbios is pretty much the way to go nowdays if you are into that kind of thing. |
| 00:17.51 | murble | it can boot freebsd and windows as well as linux |
| 00:17.53 | Wethrin | OpenBIOS is trying to make a full-featured BIOS |
| 00:17.55 | murble | s/free/open/ |
| 00:18.24 | resuDaed | boot & root were set to hda1, boot is hda2 |
| 00:19.06 | resuDaed | (now that I have some bandwidth again) |
| 00:19.16 | highbury | nn |
| 00:19.19 | Wethrin | nn |
| 00:19.25 | murble | anyway played with http://www.whiteboxlinux.org yet? |
| 00:19.47 | JD | Wethrin: couldn;t you call it something else? |
| 00:19.53 | JD | I get confused |
| 00:20.11 | Wethrin | JD: No. :) |
| 00:20.58 | JD | something like beki? |
| 00:21.39 | Wethrin | Look, just because the machine will plug into lots of others and share packets |
| 00:22.30 | Wethrin | But I'm not intending for it to go down... |
| 00:24.12 | JD | lol |
| 00:29.32 | resuDaed | if I get paid in time (and know when it is - not tus or thurs) I might make it |
| 00:29.35 | resuDaed | doh |
| 00:29.49 | resuDaed | ^^ -> Wethrin |
| 00:29.56 | Wethrin | :) |
| 00:29.59 | resuDaed | :-)~ |
| 00:30.16 | Wethrin | Well.......Friday pubmeet, then? |
| 00:30.54 | resuDaed | I'll be up for that |
| 00:31.11 | resuDaed | Green Man - Gt Portland St? |
| 00:32.01 | murb | resuDaed: no a better pub |
| 00:32.14 | resuDaed | murb : anywhere in particular? |
| 00:32.18 | murb | Wethrin: are we still exploring alternative pubs? |
| 00:32.40 | murb | resuDaed: i think the plan is especally for random meets to go elsewhere so we have more choice for future pub places. |
| 00:32.41 | resuDaed | with reasonable priced beers & whiskeys |
| 00:32.57 | murb | resuDaed: well one day the greenman didn't have any proper beer |
| 00:33.33 | resuDaed | no Guinness? no John Smiths? |
| 00:33.50 | Wethrin | We'll probably keep the Green Man for regular Gllug meets, simply because it's fairly large. |
| 00:34.00 | Wethrin | Other pubs tend to be rather crowded. |
| 00:34.10 | Wethrin | No John Smiths. But that's not Proper Beer ;-) |
| 00:34.21 | resuDaed | you meen cask ales |
| 00:34.28 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 00:35.28 | resuDaed | fairry nuff -- I am a Guinness man personally, but I do agree about the real beers |
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| 00:37.57 | resuDaed | . |
| 00:43.11 | Wethrin | :) |
| 00:45.45 | resuDaed | you in? |
| 00:46.03 | Wethrin | Always |
| 00:46.10 | Wethrin | Hi Leeds, BTW |
| 00:59.25 | resuDaed | I |
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| 01:39.48 | pawelsz | hm. |
| 01:50.28 | murb | blah |
| 01:59.47 | Clyphox|ZzZz | meh |
| 02:06.40 | Tarragon | foo |
| 02:06.59 | murble | bar |
| 02:15.36 | Marios_ | foobar |
| 02:15.41 | Leeds | baz |
| 02:18.52 | Clyphox | is it any good? |
| 02:42.50 | Leeds | yes |
| 02:43.26 | Leeds | it's fun... plays well and easily... and I need to try some of the third-party modules |
| 02:44.51 | Leeds | is *that* any good? :-) |
| 02:47.06 | Marios_ | yeap ! |
| 02:48.39 | Leeds | it's just a 3d mario game, right? |
| 02:48.56 | Leeds | I'm not a big fan of 3d platform games... |
| 02:49.21 | Marios_ | yeah 3d mario game |
| 02:49.46 | Marios_ | still I prefer the Mario version for Super Nintendo |
| 02:50.16 | Leeds | snes9x? |
| 02:50.46 | Marios_ | well the old one... |
| 02:50.55 | Marios_ | with the big cartdridges |
| 02:51.05 | Leeds | I'm suggesting that you can play it on your PC with an emulator :-) |
| 02:51.47 | Marios_ | i tried |
| 02:51.53 | Leeds | no good? |
| 02:51.57 | Marios_ | nothing compared to the original |
| 02:52.04 | Marios_ | nothing at all |
| 02:52.24 | Leeds | how so? |
| 02:53.03 | Marios_ | slow some times... |
| 02:53.13 | Marios_ | I don't know...I hate it |
| 02:53.18 | Leeds | slow PC? |
| 02:53.29 | Marios_ | Athlon 1.2Ghz ;) |
| 02:53.39 | Marios_ | I should buy it from Ebay |
| 02:53.47 | Marios_ | and hook it on my TV |
| 02:54.01 | Marios_ | anywayz I am late...gotta go for dinner |
| 02:54.06 | Leeds | or from a second-hand shop - I can think of a couple of places I could probably get one from easily |
| 02:54.09 | Leeds | enjoy food :-) |
| 02:54.25 | Marios_ | thanx...but just burgers ;) |
| 02:54.38 | Marios_ | restaurant version of burger |
| 02:54.40 | Marios_ | :) |
| 02:54.48 | Marios_ | c ya tomorrow Leeds |
| 02:54.49 | Leeds | bah |
| 02:54.51 | Leeds | seeya |
| 03:08.10 | Clyphox | ok.. REALLY going to bed this time.. night all |
| 03:08.28 | Leeds | night |
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| 09:46.44 | JD | hi cupis |
| 09:49.48 | gregj | hi guys |
| 09:52.38 | pawelsz | gregj: :-) |
| 09:52.45 | pawelsz | gregj: morning. |
| 09:53.26 | cupis | hi |
| 09:53.41 | pawelsz | hi. |
| 09:57.21 | gregj | morning |
| 09:59.09 | pawelsz | i'm going to docklands. |
| 10:04.34 | pawelsz | gregj: you be in home today? |
| 10:04.49 | gregj | pawelsz: nope, i am going to city around13 |
| 10:05.12 | pawelsz | gregj: when you want back? |
| 10:05.14 | gregj | anyone know where I can buy dvorak keybpoard ? |
| 10:05.19 | gregj | pawelsz: very late i think |
| 10:07.57 | pawelsz | gregj: can you give me sms, when you leave home? i want to meet with you and i be at exhibition. |
| 10:08.23 | pawelsz | then I move outside. |
| 10:08.35 | JD | gregj: just rearrange the keys on your normal keyboard |
| 10:08.42 | gregj | "can you text me" "can you send me a text" |
| 10:09.00 | gregj | JD: i would like to buy rather new keyboard for that |
| 10:09.10 | gregj | my laptop is not such flexible in that matter ;] |
| 10:09.20 | JD | gregj: buy a new keyboard for uk layout and rearrange old keyboard? |
| 10:09.24 | JD | oh laptop |
| 10:09.29 | JD | no it isn;t |
| 10:09.32 | gregj | i think i'll do that |
| 10:09.46 | JD | I think you will be hard pressed to find a dvorak-uk layout |
| 10:09.56 | gregj | hmm |
| 10:09.58 | JD | better to just make one |
| 10:10.24 | gregj | i got stickers now on keys, but it sucks |
| 10:10.51 | JD | most keyboards are fairly easy to move aorund |
| 10:11.30 | gregj | yes, key word - most |
| 11:23.26 | Wethrin | Moin |
| 11:23.49 | Wethrin | gregj: Dvorak is horribly difficult to find |
| 11:23.55 | Wethrin | And very expensive if you do |
| 11:24.45 | Wethrin | Get a flat keyboard (one where all the keycaps are the same height) and rearrange the keys |
| 11:24.47 | gregj | kurwa |
| 11:25.06 | Wethrin | I've done it with a US keyboard, but the keycaps aren't all the same height, so it looks odd |
| 11:25.13 | gregj | i know |
| 11:25.15 | gregj | :-) |
| 11:25.21 | Wethrin | :) |
| 11:25.25 | gregj | i've heard SUN does good keyboards, in this matter |
| 11:25.31 | gregj | i need something usbish |
| 11:25.34 | gregj | for laptop |
| 11:25.46 | Wethrin | Go around the computer fairs and measure the height of keycaps |
| 11:26.06 | gregj | i've been yesterday |
| 11:26.16 | gregj | one near BT tower |
| 11:26.30 | gregj | when i asked one of the guys about other computers, nonPC |
| 11:26.43 | Wethrin | :) |
| 11:26.50 | gregj | he said that he used to have one, with some odd system for SUN and he really won't recomend it |
| 11:26.54 | gregj | :> |
| 11:27.02 | gregj | i couldn't stop laughing |
| 11:27.13 | gregj | poor boy |
| 11:27.23 | gregj | microsoft did so terrible damage to his brain |
| 11:28.05 | gregj | some SUN ultra 10 |
| 11:28.12 | gregj | he sell it for 300 quid |
| 11:28.46 | Wethrin | Argh. Fucking tech support calls. |
| 11:30.12 | gregj | hyhy |
| 11:30.19 | gregj | are you in office now ? |
| 11:33.01 | highbury | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/classic.htm |
| 11:49.21 | Wethrin | no |
| 11:49.24 | Wethrin | Friend doing support |
| 11:50.59 | Wethrin | Err. Friend wanting help with Windows ME problem. |
| 11:51.10 | Wethrin | I DON'T DO WINDOWS! ARGH! |
| 11:51.40 | Wethrin | Why are people incapable of understanding that I do not *know* Windows inside-out, and therefore cannot diagnose and fix their Windows problems |
| 11:52.00 | gregj | :-) |
| 11:52.08 | Wethrin | Nor do I even want to touch "consumer" versions of Windows. |
| 11:52.32 | Wethrin | Win2000, fair enough. Maaaaybe even NT. Anything else, forget it. |
| 11:54.22 | gregj | XP proff |
| 11:54.27 | gregj | or w2k3 |
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| 12:00.07 | gregj | Richard |
| 12:00.33 | Leeds | afternoon :-) |
| 12:00.58 | Leeds | how's things? |
| 12:02.29 | Wethrin | Not XP. And I haven't tried w2k+3 |
| 12:02.58 | Wethrin | Mmmm. Fake paypal s[pc]am |
| 12:03.25 | Wethrin | .oO(breaking necks of people who send those types of emails. Crack crack crack) |
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| 12:10.10 | Leeds | hey zachary |
| 12:11.43 | zachary | hey Leeds, how's things? |
| 12:12.42 | Leeds | not bad... TiVo is dying :-( looking forward to going away this week :-) |
| 12:13.48 | gregj | Leeds: so-so |
| 12:13.52 | gregj | boring life.. |
| 12:16.07 | Leeds | heh... Jacques Chirac's response to the rugby: "This deserved victory is also a victory for Europe." |
| 12:30.15 | Wethrin | Writes short and arrogant emails supporting Debian? |
| 12:31.17 | Wethrin | You know know they're a good company when: |
| 12:31.17 | Wethrin | orbidden |
| 12:31.17 | Wethrin | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 12:31.55 | Wethrin | Apache/1.3.29 Server at www.clues.ltd.uk Port 80 |
| 12:32.04 | Wethrin | (Forbidden, obviously) |
| 12:47.59 | Wethrin | Look at Martin A. Brooks' signature |
| 12:48.03 | Wethrin | Go to his webshite |
| 12:51.32 | JD | ah it was him then |
| 12:51.56 | Wethrin | Do you know him? |
| 12:53.08 | zachary | Clyphox: Oops! |
| 12:53.09 | JD | Wethrin: no |
| 12:53.22 | JD | just curious as to what you were talking about |
| 12:53.39 | Clyphox | its ok.. is an oldishcompaq server keyboard.. these things last wars I bet it |
| 13:16.58 | Wethrin | Grr. Safari just died on me. |
| 13:20.09 | Wethrin | (Tom Lehrer)++ |
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| 13:33.09 | Wethrin | wb |
| 13:33.47 | Wethrin | Leeds: You have a complete set of Tom Lehrer CDs, haven't you? |
| 13:45.18 | SpudULike | Wethrin: Will you stay in a hostel this FOSDEM? |
| 13:46.21 | Wethrin | I don't know yet |
| 13:46.57 | SpudULike | In fact, is anyone on here planning, or at the very least able to consider, rouging it in a hostel? |
| 13:49.24 | SpudULike | With a bit of early effort this year we may be able to get more people to go to FOSDEM that can't afford the hotel/Eurostar route. |
| 13:49.35 | Wethrin | I'd go on Eurostar |
| 13:50.56 | SpudULike | £32 for the coach is better for me, even if it means 9 hours trav'lin. |
| 13:51.30 | Wethrin | I think it's about £70 for Eurostar for me. Plus a 50% discount |
| 13:51.49 | JD | SpudULike: I couldn;t really afford the hotel/eurostar route, but I consider it by decent oliday of the year |
| 13:52.01 | JD | Wethrin: it is too late to use your vouvher |
| 13:52.11 | Wethrin | No it's not, apparently |
| 13:52.26 | Wethrin | As long as I *book* before the date, it's okay |
| 13:52.33 | JD | oh right |
| 13:52.43 | JD | damn did you have a spare one? |
| 13:52.45 | SpudULike | JD: Define decent holiday???? Company that counts Shirley. |
| 13:53.04 | Wethrin | Sorry |
| 13:53.22 | JD | SpudULike: well Oslo was on a budget |
| 13:53.38 | JD | and edinburhg was quite cheap too |
| 13:53.52 | SpudULike | Even if I was able to get Eurostar for £35 the hotel costs would put a stop to it. I think this might be true for others too. |
| 13:54.16 | JD | yeah it was 50GBP a night last year |
| 13:54.37 | SpudULike | 13 euro at the hostel. |
| 13:55.10 | SpudULike | ibot convert 50gbp to euro |
| 13:56.21 | Leeds | Wethrin: I don't actually have the CDs... I lent them to someone (I know who!) ages ago and never got around to getting them back... |
| 13:56.39 | SpudULike | Bah, I can never get the hang of the ibot convert thing! Anyway, what is the difference in money between the two and how much beer might that buy? |
| 13:57.00 | Leeds | As for FOSDEM - I should be on expenses, so staying in a half-decent (like previous years) hotel |
| 13:57.06 | Leeds | ibot change 50 gbp to euro |
| 13:57.24 | Leeds | #ibot change $VALUE $FROMCURR to $TOCURR |
| 13:58.11 | SpudULike | It's the space I forget. |
| 13:58.27 | Leeds | plus you used convert rather than change, which is for units, not currencies :-) |
| 13:58.36 | Leeds | ibot convert 16 miles to km |
| 13:59.00 | Wethrin | Leeds: Well, I was wondering approximately how much they set you back |
| 13:59.15 | Leeds | Wethrin: hmm... I can't remember offhand - hang on a mo |
| 13:59.35 | Tarragon | So hostel is £9 (EUR13) a night. Hotel is £50 (EUR 71). Beer was about £2 a glass so Hotel is hostel plus 20 glasses of beer a night |
| 13:59.44 | Wethrin | :) |
| 13:59.55 | JD | anyone else planning on the Atlas again? |
| 14:00.16 | Leeds | Tarragon: whereas all I pay for is non-meal beer and, assuming I stay Sunday night, one night in the hotel |
| 14:01.22 | Leeds | Wethrin: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004SWBH/026-8223977-5172461 |
| 14:01.24 | SpudULike | But if it's not on expenses then stay in the hostel for the Sunday night. |
| 14:08.39 | Leeds | I'd prefer to stay in the hotel |
| 14:13.01 | Leeds | maybe I'm a snob... |
| 14:13.59 | Wethrin | #On occasion, you may have bumped into a mathematician, and wondered how they got that way |
| 14:15.22 | Leeds | speaking of which... /me goes to Brent Cross to buy Euros... |
| 14:15.39 | Wethrin | Get good deals there? |
| 14:16.05 | Leeds | on Euros or generally? |
| 14:16.46 | Wethrin | On Euros. |
| 14:16.57 | Leeds | to be honest, I don't really know... I'll go to M&S and Thomas Cook (or whatever the travel agent is), see which one looks cheaper, and buy |
| 14:17.16 | Leeds | got to have *some* cash... |
| 14:18.37 | Leeds | hmm... not sure a Gibraltar pound coin should really be in my "random foreign coins" (Euros and Dollars) pile |
| 14:20.18 | Leeds | anyway... back later |
| 14:20.27 | Wethrin | cu |
| 14:20.42 | Tarragon | bye |
| 16:00.27 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to euro |
| 16:00.52 | Leeds | I got 1.384 |
| 16:02.22 | Wethrin | You were ripped off. |
| 16:02.57 | Leeds | really? |
| 16:03.30 | Wethrin | Well, you lost 5c on that :) |
| 16:04.00 | Leeds | against a 'commercial' rate, sure |
| 16:04.37 | Leeds | my bank (online, no commission, no postage charges) is giving 1.3667 |
| 16:05.00 | Wethrin | Not so good |
| 16:06.18 | Leeds | doesn't sound like I did too badly... and it was 0.1c better than M&S :-) |
| 16:07.58 | Wethrin | Best of a bad job, then, really :) |
| 16:08.32 | Leeds | where should I have gone then? |
| 16:09.45 | Leeds | or to put it another way - do you know anywhere better - I'm happy to learn :-) |
| 16:12.09 | Wethrin | Unfortunately, I don't :-/ |
| 16:12.11 | Wethrin | All currency exchanges Suck |
| 16:12.34 | murble | yeah, we should only trade in gold. |
| 16:14.03 | Leeds | alternatively, we should change to the Euro and thereby eliminate most currency changes made in or concerning the UK :-) |
| 16:14.08 | Wethrin | Heh |
| 16:14.57 | Leeds | yes, I know there are many other arguments both for and against... |
| 16:16.02 | Leeds | and... /me goes out again - this time to the library to get a Paris guide book or two... |
| 16:16.04 | murble | Leeds: I don't think it would eliminate most currency changes made in or concerning the UK... |
| 16:16.25 | Leeds | I think the majority of UK trade is with Eurozone countries, isn't it? |
| 16:16.28 | Leeds | back in a bit |
| 16:16.42 | murble | Leeds: what about the currancy markets in london? |
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| 17:15.06 | Leeds | okay, fair enough... I was thinking of international trade *using* foreign currencies, not trade in currencies themselves |
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| 17:56.38 | Leeds | I want to rock and roll all night and party every day |
| 17:56.54 | Wethrin | That's nice |
| 17:58.13 | murble | Wethrin: why don't you try another mta like postfix? |
| 17:58.15 | Leeds | bah |
| 17:58.21 | murble | foo |
| 17:58.24 | Wethrin | I'm used to qmail; I quite like it |
| 17:58.45 | eye69 | Postfix is nice. Very nice. |
| 17:58.49 | murble | soon you'll be saying that about java, then the mem in white coats will have to come and take you away! |
| 17:59.00 | Wethrin | The only headache is the initial setup. Then it's piss-easy to admin |
| 17:59.04 | Wethrin | But Java is..... |
| 17:59.13 | Leeds | because it doesn't bloody do anything |
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| 17:59.56 | murble | someone send that man some ^G s! |
| 18:00.19 | eye69 | :) |
| 18:00.54 | Wethrin | Right. That's that gone from screenrc |
| 18:01.06 | Wethrin | Presumably this means I'd have to restart screen? |
| 18:01.17 | Wethrin | No nice of way getting it to reread config changes on the fly? |
| 18:01.23 | eye69 | Wethrin: Set the same thing with ^a : |
| 18:03.58 | Wethrin | Ahh. Muchly thanks :) |
| 18:04.34 | eye69 | Lots of nice things can be done with the "command prompt" |
| 18:04.38 | Wethrin | Yes :) |
| 18:04.52 | Wethrin | Leeds: Have you got IPv6 running on any of the j-colo machines? |
| 18:04.53 | eye69 | Resizing split windows for instance |
| 18:05.02 | Leeds | Wethrin: nope |
| 18:05.15 | Wethrin | Okay. |
| 18:05.45 | Wethrin | I was considering trying it |
| 18:06.31 | eye69 | Wethrin: I can recommend BTExact |
| 18:06.34 | eye69 | Works nicely. |
| 18:06.45 | Wethrin | URL? |
| 18:06.52 | eye69 | tb.ipv6.btexact.com |
| 18:06.55 | murble | or sixx |
| 18:07.14 | murble | eye69: you should always ask you ISP first about v6 connectivity! |
| 18:07.34 | Wethrin | Which is recommended for theleast hassleful method of getting a publically routable IPv6 address? |
| 18:07.41 | eye69 | murble: And what are the chances of that happening? :) |
| 18:07.52 | murble | eye69: if you don't ask, they'll always say there is no demand! |
| 18:08.01 | eye69 | murble: Good point |
| 18:08.14 | eye69 | Wethrin: Setting up a tunnel on your router (if you have one) |
| 18:08.23 | Wethrin | Presumably Mailbox will support IPv6? |
| 18:08.28 | murble | yeah, right like a dsl router is going to do IPv6 |
| 18:08.36 | Wethrin | murble: I was thinking for my colo. |
| 18:08.38 | eye69 | Wethrin: I can help you with Linux and OpenBSD |
| 18:08.42 | Wethrin | OpenBSD. Yes :) |
| 18:08.58 | Wethrin | But I need to go for coffee. Back in a bit. |
| 18:09.07 | murble | OpenBSD, Open your network! |
| 18:09.21 | murble | halt: a more secure phase of OpenBSD |
| 18:09.28 | murble | operation. |
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| 18:18.41 | Wethrin | murble: Har har. |
| 18:18.49 | Wethrin | Like Linux is any more secure :-P |
| 18:19.27 | Leeds | everyone knows that Linux is almost the most secure OS... second only to Solaris |
| 18:21.09 | Marios | why Solaris is more secure than Linux ? |
| 18:21.42 | Leeds | because it's written and tested by professionals, not by students and hackers in their bedrooms at their parent's house |
| 18:21.55 | Marios | lol |
| 18:21.59 | Wethrin | Leeds: parent's? Being very modern with single-parent families? |
| 18:22.13 | Leeds | yes! |
| 18:22.14 | Leeds | ... |
| 18:22.33 | Marios | but let's say RedHat when ships Linux make some changes in the kernel right? |
| 18:23.07 | Wethrin | VMS 4 security! :) |
| 18:23.09 | Leeds | even better! |
| 18:23.36 | Wethrin | (actually, VMS would have *considerably* better security against script kiddies) |
| 18:23.54 | Leeds | on a 12-bit word machine? |
| 18:24.08 | Wethrin | Nah. 19-bit. |
| 18:24.19 | Leeds | oh, okay |
| 18:24.29 | Wethrin | Maybe, to be fair, it'd be good to have a 33-bit machine. |
| 18:24.39 | Marios | so...Leeds RedHat is not tested by professionals? |
| 18:24.40 | Wethrin | That way 32-bit values will still fit into one word |
| 18:24.47 | Leeds | Marios: not really, no |
| 18:24.48 | Wethrin | Marios: It certainly doesn't seem that way |
| 18:25.15 | Leeds | and anyway - most of the software in Redhat is still written by evil hackers and communists |
| 18:25.18 | Wethrin | After all, professionals would have already found all the SCO copyright code, and ripped it out. Unlike the back-bedroom whiners. |
| 18:25.48 | Leeds | don't you mean the BSD/SGI copyright code? |
| 18:26.26 | Wethrin | That too :) |
| 18:26.48 | Wethrin | Is SCO claiming ownership of XFS? |
| 18:26.52 | Marios | I never used Solaris on PCs |
| 18:26.58 | Marios | only on SUN workstations |
| 18:27.00 | Wethrin | I can use it, finally :) |
| 18:27.03 | Leeds | Wethrin: yes, I think so |
| 18:27.07 | Wethrin | Heh. |
| 18:27.14 | Wethrin | BTW, look at today's Userfriendly. |
| 18:27.24 | Wethrin | It's one of the more amusing ones |
| 18:27.51 | Leeds | heh |
| 18:28.47 | Wethrin | Leeds: Do you think I'd be able to run IPv6 on my server in j-colo? |
| 18:29.32 | Leeds | you should be able to tunnel it fine - I don't know what the situation is regarding sharing a physical network... should be okay, I suppose |
| 18:30.05 | Leeds | to be honest, I don't know - we've never even considered it |
| 18:34.02 | Wethrin | Fair enough. It's one of these nice-to-have things, really. |
| 18:41.35 | SpudULike | My router is quite happy to route connections to the Internet from my network, I'm going through it right now. But it doesn't seem to be able to see the outside world for itself. I can ping sites from all the machines on the network but I can't ping anything, by name or address, from the router itself. Can anyone tell me what might be the cause of this? |
| 18:42.22 | Wethrin | You're using your router as a general access machine. Bad :) |
| 18:42.27 | SpudULike | Actually, I can tell you the cause - I've been fiddling'. What do I need to do to unriddle ;-) |
| 18:42.40 | Wethrin | FORMAT C: |
| 18:43.56 | SpudULike | Wethrin: Only on extreme occasions. Sometimes I will want to do a traceroute from the router to tel Telewest how crap their connection is. |
| 18:45.00 | Wethrin | What's the default route of your router? |
| 18:46.10 | SpudULike | It's good to see the developers of the 'format' command have a sense of humour. You try format c: ! |
| 18:46.23 | Leeds | ? |
| 18:46.26 | Wethrin | Under which OS? |
| 18:46.33 | Wethrin | ALL DATA ON DRIVE C: MAY BE LOST! |
| 18:46.33 | SpudULike | Linux |
| 18:46.41 | Wethrin | SUSE? |
| 18:46.48 | SpudULike | yeah |
| 18:46.54 | Wethrin | $ format c: |
| 18:46.54 | Wethrin | bash: format: command not found |
| 18:47.01 | Wethrin | (RedHat) |
| 18:47.07 | SpudULike | colin@mine:~> format C: |
| 18:47.07 | SpudULike | Error: The DOS concept of formatting disk media is screwed. |
| 18:47.09 | Leeds | bash: format: command not found |
| 18:47.09 | JD | same here |
| 18:47.09 | SpudULike | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.10 | Wethrin | Yep. Try type ing 'A:' |
| 18:47.11 | SpudULike | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.41 | Leeds | okay, so it's a dummy |
| 18:47.59 | nasrat | Wethrin: try espdiff |
| 18:48.18 | Wethrin | espdiff? |
| 18:48.27 | nasrat | it's part of patchutils |
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| 18:48.55 | nasrat | though you might need a fairly recent version of it |
| 18:48.58 | Cope | Boo |
| 18:49.36 | Leeds | ahh! |
| 18:50.54 | Wethrin | nasrat: What would that be useful for? |
| 18:51.34 | nasrat | not much sorry just random wibbling |
| 18:51.52 | Wethrin | Ah, fair enough :) |
| 18:52.18 | Cope | Evening Wethrin; nasrat. |
| 18:52.24 | Wethrin | Evening |
| 18:52.32 | Wethrin | nasrat: You obviously need beer |
| 18:53.28 | Leeds | Cope: unexpectedly? |
| 18:54.27 | nasrat | Wethrin: quite possible |
| 18:55.16 | Wethrin | May I suggest this coming Friday, at a pub to be decided? |
| 18:56.19 | nasrat | should be doable. No longer stuck in Gunnersbury. |
| 18:56.20 | Cope | Leeds: Yes - company annonced it went bust. |
| 18:56.34 | Leeds | oops |
| 18:57.06 | Leeds | in some ways, it could be worse |
| 18:57.26 | Leeds | my ex-employer *didn't* go bust :-) |
| 18:57.37 | Wethrin | They will do... |
| 18:58.03 | Leeds | true |
| 18:58.04 | Cope | Slightly ropey timing! Baby is due in just over 3 weeks! |
| 18:58.12 | Leeds | (well, not technically true) |
| 18:58.19 | Leeds | Cope: yeah, there is that :-( |
| 18:58.40 | Wethrin | Cope: You need pub to comiserate. |
| 18:59.11 | Wethrin | Right. Friday. $UNKNOWN_LOCATION |
| 18:59.42 | Leeds | somewhere near the Bastille? |
| 19:00.11 | nasrat | Cope: what sort of stuff you do? |
| 19:00.37 | Wethrin | Leeds: If by Bastille, you mean TCR, then yes. |
| 19:00.40 | Cope | nasrat: Well, looking for junior sysadmin position; cv to follow. |
| 19:01.24 | Leeds | Wethrin: thinking more along the lines of the big ex-prison in Paris :-) |
| 19:01.29 | nasrat | ok position I know of is probably a bit more senior. |
| 19:02.02 | Wethrin | Leeds: Could do it Wednesday, maybe, if you'd come along then |
| 19:02.27 | Leeds | Wethrin: nah, don't worry about it |
| 19:02.53 | Cope | The general challenge is putting my knowledge and experience into some kind of convincing form; most of it is self taught, voluntary, or alongside my 'real' job! |
| 19:04.24 | Wethrin | Leeds: Okay. Might there be a chance of installing this server on Thursday? Or is that too early? |
| 19:05.45 | Leeds | dunno... probably |
| 19:05.45 | Cope | What sort of server? |
| 19:05.57 | Wethrin | Rackmount |
| 19:05.57 | Wethrin | :) |
| 19:08.24 | Cope | icheck |
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| 19:09.07 | Wethrin | OpenBSD, anyway |
| 19:10.11 | Wethrin | Solaris x86 |
| 19:10.16 | Leeds | um... we call it Solaris/x86 :-) |
| 19:10.28 | Wethrin | Close :) |
| 19:10.39 | Leeds | with or without the / |
| 19:11.00 | Cope | q finds a job to apply for. |
| 19:12.13 | Marios | Leeds << Does SUN have goal to target Desktop Market with Solaris? |
| 19:12.20 | Leeds | um... |
| 19:12.46 | Leeds | JDS is really where it's at right now |
| 19:13.00 | JD | gah |
| 19:13.11 | Marios | so they Solaris mostly for Server stuff... |
| 19:13.13 | Cope | JD is really where it's at now. |
| 19:13.25 | JD | Cope: of course :) |
| 19:13.36 | Leeds | Marios: yes, at the moment... I can't comment on future plans |
| 19:14.09 | Marios | I just didn't understand why they used Linux for JDS and not Solaris |
| 19:14.20 | JD | gah |
| 19:14.40 | Leeds | JD |
| 19:14.44 | Leeds | JD JD |
| 19:14.45 | JD | gah |
| 19:15.25 | pawelsz | :-) |
| 19:16.04 | Leeds | Marios: I think it's because when it was planned/started as a project, some of the JDS stuff (particularly StarOffice, possibly Evolution) wasn't supported on Solaris/x86 |
| 19:16.18 | JD | gah |
| 19:16.22 | Marios | I see |
| 19:16.39 | Leeds | JDS is pretty nice, for what it is |
| 19:16.47 | JD | fuck off |
| 19:16.58 | Wethrin | Got you out of the loop :) |
| 19:17.00 | Cope | Yeah, JD is pretty nice, when he doesn't crash and start swearing. |
| 19:17.22 | JD | it wouldn;t be so bad, but I've got beep on activity on atm |
| 19:17.30 | JD | every 3 seconds I hear beep |
| 19:17.35 | Marios | I really want to see the JDS |
| 19:17.42 | JD | grrrr |
| 19:17.44 | Cope | JD: beep? |
| 19:17.47 | Wethrin | I have a friend from Uni whose initials are JDS. STOP CONFUSING ME! |
| 19:17.47 | JD | argh |
| 19:17.49 | Leeds | I saw the JDS at Linux Expo in London |
| 19:17.52 | Wethrin | beep beep |
| 19:17.52 | JD | ffs |
| 19:18.00 | Leeds | there is a JDS demo CD... |
| 19:18.05 | JD | dammit Leeds |
| 19:18.19 | Marios | cool |
| 19:18.25 | JD | Cope: |
| 19:18.30 | Wethrin | Cope: Did you drink the JD, though? |
| 19:18.32 | Leeds | I had to turn off beeping at work once one of my collegues discovered she could make my machine beep at will |
| 19:18.35 | Marios | i 'll go and get it then |
| 19:18.51 | Leeds | Marios: I don't know how available it is... but I know there is one |
| 19:18.58 | Marios | ok |
| 19:19.32 | Marios | there is small company over here..and we are trying to convince them to switch to Linux....that's what I am trying to explore more distros |
| 19:19.44 | Leeds | you may need to contact a Sun salesman to get hold of a copy of the JDS demo |
| 19:19.52 | JD | bah |
| 19:20.00 | Marios | ok I will |
| 19:22.58 | Wethrin | Leeds: Is the JDS demo available to anyone? |
| 19:23.18 | JD | anyone would think you are doing this on purpose now |
| 19:23.29 | Cope | What? Talking about JDS? |
| 19:23.37 | Marios | Wethrin << I will try to find out |
| 19:23.40 | Leeds | honestly, I don't know... |
| 19:23.44 | JD | Cope: yeah |
| 19:23.46 | Wethrin | There's nothing wrong with talking about JDS\ |
| 19:23.49 | Leeds | it's not even released, technically, for a week or two |
| 19:24.04 | JD | Wethrin: well it is non-free surely |
| 19:24.19 | Wethrin | It's based on Linux. |
| 19:24.24 | Leeds | JD: it's based on SUSE - of course it's non-free |
| 19:24.34 | Wethrin | And we're *Linux* user group, not *Free software* user group :) |
| 19:24.46 | Wethrin | *causes |
| 19:24.56 | Marios | lol |
| 19:25.51 | JD | Wethrin: bah |
| 19:26.28 | Cope | But mainly because it beeps, and agreeing with Wethrin doesn't. |
| 19:26.35 | Leeds | lol |
| 19:26.43 | Wethrin | How do you know it doesn't beep my machine? |
| 19:27.09 | Cope | Well, you haven't made any comment. Unlike JD. |
| 19:27.49 | Wethrin | That's true. |
| 19:28.00 | Leeds | JD *has* complained... |
| 19:28.18 | Wethrin | So JD beeps if you're talking about whiskey or the JDS |
| 19:28.43 | Leeds | anyway... |
| 19:29.14 | Wethrin | Ow. This server isn't grounded properly |
| 19:29.19 | Cope | OUch |
| 19:29.37 | Wethrin | Precicely |
| 19:29.56 | Leeds | I have that problem with my TiVo... I've got the case slightly open to let the network cable get out, and it... stings... to touch the exposed inner case when it's got 240V coming it |
| 19:30.19 | Wethrin | Mm. This isn't quite 240V |
| 19:30.46 | Wethrin | Just a mild tinge if I put my upper arm against the case and front screw of the case |
| 19:32.22 | Leeds | yeah, mine isn't 240 either - as I said - it just stings |
| 19:32.57 | Wethrin | Oh well. |
| 19:41.55 | Leeds | so... spam... what's the deal with all the penis/breast/lip growth and viagra ads? |
| 19:44.23 | Wethrin | Well, they're not trying to sell JD ;-) |
| 19:44.32 | JD | bah |
| 19:45.37 | Wethrin | bah to you too, sir |
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| 19:47.49 | Wethrin | Does it tend to be a Good Idea(TM) to limit the maximum message size? |
| 19:48.03 | Leeds | e-mail? |
| 19:48.08 | Leeds | incoming or outgoing? |
| 19:49.06 | Wethrin | Email. Incoming. |
| 19:49.18 | Leeds | this is for personal use? |
| 19:49.34 | Wethrin | Yes. Mostly. |
| 19:49.39 | stephen | has anyone come across this? Some of my HTTP requests are being redirected to http://www.spacereg.com/df.html?$URL |
| 19:49.42 | Wethrin | Unless other people want email |
| 19:49.49 | Wethrin | stephen: It's your router :) |
| 19:50.32 | stephen | would it be mis-directing my packets or something? |
| 19:50.38 | Leeds | Wethrin: what maximum would you set? |
| 19:50.47 | Wethrin | Not sure. 10MB? |
| 19:51.07 | Leeds | yeah - just thinking if I get mail bigger than that even |
| 19:56.57 | stephen | hmm, perhaps I just need a new router, my current one is really too slow, and breaks down every two weeks |
| 20:02.42 | Tarragon | I do get emails bigger than 10Mb but I normally know that they are coming in and who they are from. |
| 20:03.51 | Leeds | Tarragon: does that help unless you can get the sender to do something different? |
| 20:04.58 | Leeds | e.g. send to a different address, include 'password', split up mail |
| 20:06.28 | Tarragon | Is it not possible to kill mail <10M unless subject contains keyword? |
| 20:07.30 | Leeds | with qmail? really doubt it |
| 20:18.09 | Wethrin | Quick patch... |
| 20:18.54 | Leeds | heh |
| 20:28.21 | mozrat | Tarragon: With procmail yes, but you would have to receive and process the mail through Exim kinda defeating the point |
| 20:30.19 | Wethrin | Why through Exim specifically? |
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| 20:52.33 | Leeds | ibot change 40 ff to gbp |
| 20:52.49 | Leeds | ibot change 40 franc to gbp |
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| 20:53.14 | Leeds | I'm seeing things priced in Francs... very confusing |
| 20:53.19 | Marios_ | lol |
| 20:53.24 | Marios_ | still francs ? |
| 20:53.31 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:53.46 | Leeds | ibot chaneg 40 frf to gbp |
| 20:53.48 | | Leeds: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:53.53 | Leeds | ibot change 40 frf to gbp |
| 20:54.06 | Leeds | hah, obselete |
| 20:54.30 | Marios_ | smart bot |
| 20:54.50 | Leeds | smart xe.com :-) |
| 20:55.33 | Marios_ | hehhehe |
| 20:55.50 | Marios_ | does it get the rate from there automatically? |
| 20:55.59 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:56.02 | Marios_ | cool |
| 20:56.55 | Marios_ | let me try then |
| 20:57.11 | Marios_ | ibot change 100 cyp to usd |
| 20:57.53 | Marios_ | ibot change 100 cyp to gbp |
| 20:58.22 | Marios_ | sweet |
| 20:58.35 | Marios_ | the dollar is dropping |
| 20:58.58 | Marios_ | ibot change 100 euro to usd |
| 20:59.25 | murble | ibot change 2 Kg of Pb into Au |
| 20:59.51 | murble | what a useless bot! |
| 21:00.09 | Marios_ | hehehhhe |
| 21:00.50 | Leeds | ibot convert km/s to inch/year |
| 21:01.09 | Wethrin | ibot convert km/s to furlongs/fortnight |
| 21:01.10 | Marios_ | lol |
| 21:02.17 | Wethrin | Woohoo! :) |
| 21:02.37 | Wethrin | ibot convert 3e+06km/s to furlongs/fortnight |
| 21:02.54 | murble | ibot convert 1 kg of Pb to joules |
| 21:03.06 | nasrat | murble: nah convert to Au |
| 21:03.26 | murble | nasrat: KUATBT |
| 21:04.13 | nasrat | murble: ??? |
| 21:05.32 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (~simonmorr@host81-130-55-97.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:05.49 | murble | nasrat: 20:59 < murble> ibot change 2 Kg of Pb into Au |
| 21:06.05 | nasrat | ah sorry my bad |
| 21:06.27 | nasrat | too much context switching |
| 21:07.09 | Leeds | I think you lot upset the bot |
| 21:07.41 | nasrat | we haven't even asked to convert H2O into CH3CH2OH |
| 21:07.55 | murble | nasrat: and you've not been saving and restoring state properly? |
| 21:08.31 | nasrat | murble: indeed |
| 21:09.35 | Leeds | Marios_: xchat 2.0.5 |
| 21:09.39 | Marios_ | hhehehhe |
| 21:09.49 | Marios_ | I was trying to see what xchat you are using |
| 21:09.54 | Marios_ | I just installed 2.0.5 |
| 21:10.08 | Marios_ | cause Rh9 comes with an old one |
| 21:12.46 | Leeds | well RH9 is the previous release now |
| 21:13.50 | murble | "Putting together up to date stable linux distributions in a nutshell" -- by a debian developer |
| 21:13.52 | Marios_ | hhehehehe |
| 21:14.05 | Wethrin | Just spend about 30 minutes trying to figure out why qmail wasn't working. All the time because the filesystem was mounted nosuid |
| 21:14.40 | murble | Wethrin: which fs was this? |
| 21:14.56 | murble | Wethrin: going for security by having nothing working? |
| 21:14.57 | Wethrin | murble: Isn't that like writing "Ethics", by 'Paul Burrell |
| 21:14.58 | Wethrin | ? |
| 21:15.09 | Wethrin | murble: Yes :) It's ffs |
| 21:15.29 | murble | oh is that an f'ed ufs file system? |
| 21:15.34 | Marios_ | Leeds << well fedora is not that stable |
| 21:15.37 | Wethrin | Yep. Fucked File System |
| 21:15.51 | murble | with or without softupdates? |
| 21:16.11 | Wethrin | With, on that particular filesystem |
| 21:16.32 | nasrat | Marios_: I've not had a problem with fc1 |
| 21:16.51 | murble | Wethrin: have you seen the recent obsd posts on bugtraq? |
| 21:16.57 | Wethrin | murble: Yes. |
| 21:17.06 | Wethrin | (well, vaguely) |
| 21:17.14 | Wethrin | I've also looked at www.openbsd.org/errata.html |
| 21:17.18 | murble | have you tested any of them? |
| 21:17.25 | Wethrin | No |
| 21:17.34 | Wethrin | Are any of them remotely exploitable? |
| 21:18.45 | Marios_ | nasrat << are there many diferences between RH9 and FC1 ? |
| 21:19.48 | nasrat | yes gnome 2.4, lots of underlying stuff - prelinking, scheduler. OOo 1.1 |
| 21:19.59 | Marios_ | hmmm |
| 21:20.13 | Marios_ | I should try to upgrade then |
| 21:22.09 | Wethrin | Well, that was piss-easy, changing from sendmail to qmail |
| 21:22.26 | Wethrin | Edit /etc/mailer.con, and away one goes! |
| 21:22.54 | Wethrin | *mailer.conf |
| 21:23.50 | Leeds | I do enjoy Top Gear |
| 21:24.04 | murble | Wethrin: yeah and remove all the cronstuff for sendmail that gets installed and turn off sendmail in rc.conf |
| 21:24.59 | eye69 | Leeds: It is very good. Poor Toyota. :) |
| 21:25.20 | Leeds | indeed... but they are bloody tough |
| 21:26.04 | JD | Leeds: sadly geremy clarkeson is a wanker |
| 21:26.13 | Leeds | there is that to it |
| 21:26.25 | Wethrin | murble: That's not entirely necessary, because it uses /usr/sbin/sendmail (which will call the qmail one) |
| 21:34.31 | murb | Wethrin: you mean /usr/lib/sendmail ? |
| 21:34.40 | murb | oh sorry you are not talking about a proper system |
| 21:39.30 | Wethrin | murb: /usr/sbin/sendmail is symlinked to /usr/sbin/mailwrapper |
| 21:39.43 | Wethrin | mailwrapper looks in /etc/mailer.conf to see which binary it should run |
| 21:39.47 | murb | Wethrin: but the traditional place for sendmail is /usr/lib/sendmail not /usr/sbin/sendmail! |
| 21:40.20 | Wethrin | The real sendmail binary is in /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail |
| 21:40.44 | Wethrin | On RedHat, /usr/sbin/sendmail is symlinked to /etc/alternatives/mta |
| 21:41.27 | Leeds | doesn't matter where it actually is... it should be available as /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 21:42.32 | Wethrin | Sure, it should *not* be made available, is more correct? :) |
| 21:43.12 | Leeds | not correct at all |
| 21:43.30 | Wethrin | Anyway, does anyone know off-hand the commands for SMTP AUTH? |
| 21:44.17 | Wethrin | Specifically, how to do AUTH PLAIN from a telnet session |
| 21:44.21 | eye69 | A base64 encoded string of username\0username\0password AFAIK |
| 21:44.40 | eye69 | Dunno the actual command though :) |
| 21:44.56 | Wethrin | /usr/lib/sendmail exists neither on RedHat nor on OpenBSD |
| 21:45.10 | Wethrin | Nor on OS X |
| 21:46.00 | Cope | I am on a redhat machine atm, and it has /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 21:46.10 | Cope | fwliw |
| 21:46.18 | Wethrin | Hm. Well, I have removed the sendmail rpm |
| 21:46.28 | Wethrin | (but the Postfix one is installed) |
| 21:50.01 | Wethrin | This makes me Satisfied |
| 22:39.13 | Wethrin | Hrm. CVS updating isn't working properly, it seems |
| 22:43.12 | JD | SVN is much nicer |
| 22:47.16 | Wethrin | Yes, but OpenBSD doesn't use SVN |
| 22:47.24 | Wethrin | Ah, it does work .Just takes a long time |
| 23:08.51 | JD | Wethrin: but they should |
| 23:10.56 | Wethrin | Maybe.... |
| 23:13.09 | JD | Wethrin: svn can do strange things like move a file and keep its history without messing around with the backend |
| 23:13.19 | Wethrin | Cool. |
| 23:17.02 | JD | it can;t deal with symlinks yet, but it is coming |
| 23:21.31 | Wethrin | Soon :) |
| 23:55.20 | Wethrin | 'night all |
| 23:56.37 | Leeds | night |
| 23:56.53 | Clyphox | Night |
| 23:59.35 | pawelsz | . |