| 00:04.47 | Wethrin | OpenBSD 3.4 is nice |
| 00:05.16 | chrismil | Running RH9, will have to look at fedora. Seems to be renamed next version with slightly less hand holding. Like RH9's up2date functionality. |
| 00:06.11 | Wethrin | G'night all |
| 00:06.25 | chrismil | night Wethrin |
| 00:07.29 | chrismil | Yes and its free for a demo account; recently had to answer a survey every two months or so. |
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| 00:08.03 | Clyphox | gentoo |
| 00:08.06 | chrismil | And they tell you *why* a new release is available |
| 00:08.06 | Clyphox | *couch* |
| 00:08.23 | chrismil | s/ch/gh/ ?? |
| 00:08.31 | Cope | Hi Leeds :o) |
| 00:09.00 | Leeds | foo! |
| 00:09.12 | Clyphox | chrismil: *nod* |
| 00:09.43 | Leeds | how is all? |
| 00:10.30 | Clyphox | <- depressed/sad/poor/conscidering buhdahism |
| 00:10.48 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 00:11.22 | Cope | Anyone been having DNS lookup issues? |
| 00:11.42 | Leeds | my DNS is always slow :-( |
| 00:11.50 | Clyphox | Cope: using freeserve? |
| 00:12.05 | Clyphox | fs dns went funny yesterday |
| 00:12.21 | Cope | I'm doing fine, on demon, but ntl friend is really struggling. |
| 00:13.24 | chrismil | hi Clyphox |
| 00:14.45 | Cope | Leeds: I'm worrying about differences between slack and everything else in terms of rc-files, init etc... since several jobs seem to be redhatified and I'm only really used to slackware. |
| 00:15.31 | chrismil | I'm doing fine also; friend in Oxford has connection/routing problems on NTL |
| 00:15.41 | Cope | chrismil: Aha |
| 00:16.20 | Leeds | Sp? |
| 00:16.24 | Leeds | oops... |
| 00:16.28 | Cope | lol |
| 00:16.33 | Leeds | um... |
| 00:16.38 | murble | chrismil: that is because the internet is broken. |
| 00:16.40 | Leeds | yes, you're quite right |
| 00:16.50 | Leeds | murble: *what* did you do this time? |
| 00:17.03 | murble | Leeds: I didn't cut any undersea cable in 2 places! |
| 00:17.14 | Clyphox | Cope: just run something else.. its important to not be overly familiar with only one way of thinking |
| 00:17.16 | murble | and read nanog |
| 00:17.17 | chrismil | I was sent over to #incantus earlier - there they said fibre broken in Ox |
| 00:17.26 | murble | chrismil: nah, undersea. |
| 00:18.17 | Clyphox | good night all.. |
| 00:18.20 | Leeds | Cope: if you are interested in being able to demonstrate professional Linux skills, it's probably a good idea to procure a Red Hat and play with it |
| 00:18.23 | Leeds | g'night Clyphox |
| 00:18.27 | murble | TAT 14 failure |
| 00:18.52 | chrismil | night |
| 00:18.52 | murble | http://www.kddiscs.co.jp/e/business/02_15.html # for the route. |
| 00:18.58 | Leeds | ah - Liberian spam |
| 00:20.02 | chrismil | well I don't see why that would affect routing between two ntl customers in Ox :( |
| 00:20.27 | Cope | leeds: Yeah, was wondering about that. |
| 00:20.49 | murble | chrismil: did they both use NTL? |
| 00:20.53 | murble | if so enough has been said. |
| 00:21.34 | chrismil | !! One 'yes' the other says 'no' but traceroute shows ntl |
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| 00:24.29 | Leeds | morning Marios_ |
| 00:26.55 | Marios_ | hey |
| 00:27.05 | Marios_ | evening here ;) |
| 00:27.24 | Marios_ | I am looking for a nice Linux Administration book in amazon |
| 00:28.01 | Cope | Marios_ - Running Linux, Matt Welsh, O'Reilly |
| 00:28.13 | Cope | Or maybe that's a bit old these days? |
| 00:28.17 | Marios_ | I read that one |
| 00:28.32 | Marios_ | I actually have it in front of me now... |
| 00:28.41 | Marios_ | I am looking for a more advanced one |
| 00:28.41 | Leeds | didn't they reissue it a year or two back? |
| 00:28.55 | Marios_ | I have the latest edition |
| 00:28.55 | Leeds | Marios_: you don't need a newer one - you have the kernel source right there! :-) |
| 00:28.56 | Marios_ | 4th |
| 00:29.05 | Marios_ | lol |
| 00:29.47 | Marios_ | most of Linux books I have they spent time in installation etc ..I need one mostly for administration |
| 00:30.53 | Marios_ | cope << http://www.cypak.net/mkoumides/RunningLinux.pdf |
| 00:31.10 | Marios_ | this is the latest one |
| 00:33.02 | Leeds | I never read any sysadmin stuff - just made it up as I went along |
| 00:33.39 | Marios_ | yeah maybe this is another way to do it |
| 00:33.57 | Marios_ | anywayz...any other advanced books on Linux ? |
| 00:36.19 | Leeds | Understanding the Linux Kernel? |
| 00:38.13 | Marios_ | got that one too |
| 00:38.40 | Marios_ | I don't need one about kernel... I need one in general about Linux...not for beginners |
| 00:39.41 | Leeds | Just For Fun? |
| 00:40.25 | Leeds | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0066620724/paloaltofrenchfi/102-4043598-3046526 |
| 00:41.37 | Marios_ | mostly yeah...in my free time I read computers books... |
| 00:41.43 | Marios_ | I like collecting them |
| 00:42.03 | Leeds | that was a book title :-) |
| 00:42.23 | Marios_ | ohhh |
| 00:42.32 | Leeds | Hence The Capitals |
| 00:42.39 | Marios_ | sounds good book though |
| 00:45.43 | Marios_ | oh..Leed maybe know about this....is there any good book for computer organization....PCs actually...I did SPARC organization but not for PCs |
| 00:46.09 | Marios_ | from Programer's perspective |
| 00:46.26 | Leeds | you mean architecture? |
| 00:47.13 | Marios_ | yeah...I used the organization cause is more from the software developer's view |
| 00:47.29 | Leeds | so do you mean machine or OS? |
| 00:47.36 | Marios_ | architecture I think is more like engineering point of view |
| 00:47.41 | Marios_ | Machine |
| 00:48.05 | Leeds | so yeah - architecture is what you mean |
| 00:48.14 | Leeds | you have heard of software engineering, right? |
| 00:48.46 | Marios_ | of course |
| 00:49.07 | Leeds | so... I'm an engineer |
| 00:49.24 | Marios_ | I mean...computer engineering point of view |
| 00:49.31 | Marios_ | you play with the words |
| 00:49.33 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 00:50.47 | Leeds | there are lots and lots of books on Amazon if you search for "computer architecture" |
| 00:51.04 | Marios_ | I am there now... |
| 00:51.21 | Marios_ | I was just asking for a suggestion |
| 00:53.12 | highbury | check out the Sun Blueprint series, via www.sun.com, also look out for some of the white pages they published in the past, for more SPARC internals stuff |
| 00:54.17 | Marios_ | sweet |
| 00:54.28 | Marios_ | thanx man |
| 00:56.15 | Marios_ | this one sounds interesting http://tinyurl.com/wkki |
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| 00:58.00 | Leeds | doesn't look bad - although it does seem to have a long sendmail section |
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| 01:07.02 | Leeds | in case anyone cares... that's a book called Itanium Rising... the obious sequel is of course Itanic Sinking :-) |
| 01:07.08 | Leeds | and on that crappy joke... bed |
| 02:40.13 | resuDaed | anyone up? |
| 02:43.00 | resuDaed | ibot logs |
| 02:43.02 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or ibot logs, jbot does not |
| 02:50.25 | Cope | nn |
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| 08:52.53 | Clyphox | Good morning Vietnam |
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| 09:11.37 | mozrat | Good morning all! |
| 09:12.27 | Clyphox | Hiya |
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| 09:13.12 | mozrat | I have a meeting today with a chap from IBM to discuss rolling out Lotus Notes on Linux.... |
| 09:13.17 | mozrat | should be a good one! |
| 09:17.08 | pawelsz | . |
| 09:17.41 | Clyphox | IBM ppl are interesting |
| 09:18.31 | mozrat | I've not met them before. |
| 09:18.34 | pawelsz | why, they have some nice girls in staff? ;-) |
| 09:34.14 | JD | mozrat: might be a woman |
| 09:36.23 | mozrat | Ummm Richard -- could be short for....... |
| 09:37.52 | mozrat | Anyway, IBM officially support RedHat and SuSE for Lotus Notes, the meeting is to discuss whether it is possible to get support for Debian |
| 09:38.39 | JD | mozrat: but debian is insecure |
| 09:38.57 | mozrat | Ummm, well when we scheduled the meeting it wasn't ;-) |
| 09:39.15 | mozrat | Anyway aren't the recent problems human related (password compromise) |
| 09:39.36 | JD | no idea just yet |
| 09:39.43 | JD | the answers should be released today |
| 09:41.11 | mozrat | any idea where -- it took quite a few days for debian.org to release any news on the site |
| 09:41.57 | JD | not yet |
| 09:42.10 | JD | http://www.wiggy.net/debian/ is where most of the information is coming from |
| 09:42.40 | mozrat | Bad news really -- at least they are being fairly open about what happened. |
| 09:45.34 | JD | I don't think Debian would stand for any less |
| 09:45.50 | mozrat | Yep |
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| 10:00.02 | Cope | Hi everyone. |
| 10:00.07 | mozrat | Howdy |
| 10:02.03 | Clyphox | moooooo |
| 10:03.22 | Cope | Anyone know anything about Vcard format? A friend has sent me a list of contacts and I want to open it; Using mutt (de rigeur) |
| 10:03.51 | mozrat | Isn't it evil -- I think Evolution can read them though |
| 10:03.57 | mozrat | lets have a look |
| 10:04.48 | Cope | yeah, I think I have seen evolution use it; but then I don't have (or want) evolution on my box! |
| 10:05.15 | mozrat | After my usage of it this week I can't blame you |
| 10:05.31 | Cope | lol! I've used it briefly and found it slow and unstable. |
| 10:06.24 | mozrat | It has got it's positive points (eye candy mainly) but the usability is poor in the version I'm using. Especially with LDAP lookups. |
| 10:07.22 | Clyphox | http://rolo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:09.43 | Cope | The chap who sent me the contacts is, quote: "A die-hard mutt user for x years, and I've switched over completely! You should get it. Really." |
| 10:11.24 | mozrat | What has he switched to? or am I misunderstanding |
| 10:11.32 | Cope | To evo! |
| 10:11.45 | mozrat | Oh |
| 10:12.19 | mozrat | Like I said, I don't mind evo, but it has it's failings |
| 10:14.06 | Cope | He is praising its calender, contacts, interface, search facility and virtual folders. |
| 10:17.48 | mozrat | Well I guess if you want a decent fast mail client then evo isn't the one (use mutt, pine etc) but for the other goodies Evo isn't bad. You definetely make the sacrifice in stability though |
| 10:17.53 | mozrat | horses for courses etc |
| 10:21.05 | Cope | My biggest concern is being able to ssh into my machine from anywhere in the world and have access to my mails, and be able to send mails. |
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| 10:23.03 | mozrat | Exactly. I use evolution on the desktop with my Maildir/ and I'm going to get Mutt set up also to read the same directory |
| 10:23.13 | mozrat | Oh and I have squirrelmail setup also |
| 10:24.32 | mozrat | Cope: Need to go off to another site. Speak to you later |
| 10:24.41 | Cope | later :o) |
| 10:36.05 | Xiaoqi | morning |
| 10:37.55 | Cope | Woo Xiaoqi |
| 10:41.05 | Xiaoqi | hi Cope |
| 10:42.44 | pawelsz | eh, nice weather. |
| 10:42.49 | pawelsz | argh. |
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| 10:52.47 | Cope | wave |
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| 10:58.30 | JD | hi all |
| 11:02.48 | Cope | Hey JD! |
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| 12:37.46 | Cope | Hey :o) |
| 12:55.47 | Clyphox | any luck with the recruitment yobs? |
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| 13:02.47 | Cope | A few helpful people. |
| 13:02.55 | Cope | Goping to whack out cv later. |
| 13:03.03 | Cope | Hui leeds. |
| 13:04.00 | Leeds | hey cope |
| 13:22.29 | Cope | Can I have them? |
| 13:27.29 | highbury | I'll bring them to the next meeting |
| 13:28.41 | Cope | Cor... its a full-time job looking for a job! |
| 13:51.55 | mozrat | Cope: that's true... as is "It's easier to find a new job when you have a job" Don't make sense really" |
| 13:52.57 | Jenson | I'm job hunting too |
| 13:53.10 | Jenson | well, not right now this second, right now I'm ebaying |
| 13:53.17 | Jenson | then time to start going to work |
| 13:55.08 | Jenson | Clyphox: did you get into town to do stuff with your CV on Monday? |
| 13:55.43 | Clyphox | Jenson: no |
| 13:56.06 | Jenson | Leeds: where'd you get that? |
| 13:56.15 | Leeds | aria.co.uk (doesn't include shipping) |
| 13:56.54 | Leeds | comes to 68 including next day - which I don't really want, but it's their standard |
| 13:57.52 | Clyphox | job hunting = fun |
| 13:58.04 | Jenson | cozmonort is also job hunting |
| 13:58.07 | Jenson | maybe we all are lol |
| 13:58.55 | Jenson | grrr, my fscking online banking doesnt seem to be working atm for some reason |
| 14:00.55 | Jenson | i cant buy anything for a few days, need to wait for the bank to clear card purchases from my account |
| 14:01.42 | Wethrin | Afternoonish all |
| 14:02.05 | Jenson | hi Wethrin |
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| 14:02.17 | Wethrin | I'm not jobhunting |
| 14:02.41 | Jenson | Wethrin: well, no, but you're clever |
| 14:02.44 | Jenson | re Clyphox |
| 14:02.47 | Clyphox | irssi crashed! |
| 14:03.14 | Wethrin | Jenson: That has nothing to do with anything |
| 14:03.33 | Jenson | Clyphox: hows that happen? |
| 14:05.17 | Clyphox | dunno |
| 14:05.20 | Jenson | right, im off, time to organize myself and go to work |
| 14:05.21 | Jenson | BBL |
| 14:05.34 | Wethrin | Mmm. More tax refunds :) |
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| 14:06.34 | Wethrin | Ow ow ow. My brain hurts. |
| 14:06.58 | pawelsz | :- |
| 14:07.01 | pawelsz | :-) |
| 14:07.01 | Clyphox | brain hurt is bad |
| 14:07.13 | Wethrin | Compiler lectures. Going rather fast. |
| 14:07.15 | eye69 | This is annoying. Evolution wont do PGP-inline, but on the other hand Thunderbird doesn't do Palm syncing. |
| 14:07.24 | Wethrin | Talking about Finite State Automatons. |
| 14:08.29 | Wethrin | pawelsz: Good :) |
| 14:09.33 | pawelsz | Wethrin: it's puted on one of my machines here now. ;-) |
| 14:09.59 | pawelsz | and I take 5.2-beta to test on my laptop. |
| 14:10.21 | Wethrin | :) |
| 14:16.36 | Leeds | bah, bloody Hearnes beating me to it |
| 14:17.26 | Wethrin | :) |
| 14:19.15 | JD | eye69: PGP-inline is evil |
| 14:19.21 | JD | or do you mean won't read it |
| 14:19.34 | JD | Wethrin: FSM are cool little beasts |
| 14:19.56 | JD | shout if you want anything explaining |
| 14:23.29 | eye69 | JD: I would prefer to use PGP/MIME, but Outlook doesn't support that. |
| 14:24.00 | JD | eye69: outlook does. outleek express sees the mail as a text attachment |
| 14:25.11 | eye69 | We're running Outlook 2000 here, and it sees it as an attachments. |
| 14:25.13 | eye69 | -s |
| 14:25.49 | eye69 | Also, I can't even read inline in Evolution. |
| 14:26.20 | mozrat | eye69: I had this problem with a friend sending me encrypted mail a while ago |
| 14:27.04 | mozrat | eye69: The problem was with the MIME headers, they read as text/plain rather than the correct encrypted heades |
| 14:27.09 | mozrat | the name of which escapes me now |
| 14:27.26 | mozrat | Check the source of the message and see what MIME format the mail has been sent in |
| 14:27.48 | mozrat | Damn, I haven't got any to hand to compare with |
| 14:28.17 | mozrat | Oh here you are from the GLLUG mailing list |
| 14:28.24 | mozrat | An signed mail: |
| 14:28.39 | mozrat | Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NKoe5XOeduwbEQHU"Content-Disposition: inline |
| 14:28.57 | mozrat | a plain text mail: |
| 14:28.58 | JD | sending mail using mutt allows outlook users ot see my mail |
| 14:28.58 | mozrat | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitContent-Type: text/plain |
| 14:32.42 | pawelsz | FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003 root@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 |
| 14:32.46 | pawelsz | ;-p |
| 14:33.11 | pawelsz | anyway, i'm must must update this and create kernel. |
| 14:34.37 | Wethrin | JD: I'm understanding the FSAs; it just gets a bit brainhurty when the lecturer goes fairly fast - they're not the easiest thing in the world to get your head around |
| 14:35.29 | JD | they are only directed graphs |
| 14:35.44 | JD | it is when you try to write them down that hey get a bit brain hurty |
| 14:35.48 | Wethrin | :) |
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| 14:36.12 | Wethrin | Yep. It's manageable, after a few examples and some thought :) |
| 14:36.15 | irvined | anybody know where I can get components delivered next day? |
| 14:36.28 | JD | microdirect? |
| 14:36.55 | Wethrin | Walk to a shop. |
| 14:37.07 | irvined | reputable? |
| 14:37.18 | JD | I've never had a problem |
| 14:37.24 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.39 | irvined | ram, network card, disk. |
| 14:38.15 | Cope | I use Farnell, not sure if they do next day; I usually do 48 hours. |
| 14:38.38 | Wethrin | Farnell is a full electronics supplier, though |
| 14:38.42 | Cope | Indeed |
| 14:38.52 | Wethrin | murble didn't, though |
| 14:38.55 | irvined | The page cannot be found |
| 14:39.01 | irvined | they dont do next day for some reason. |
| 14:39.05 | irvined | or at least not for me. |
| 14:39.19 | Leeds | irvined: aria are reasonable reliable for next day - now should be early enough |
| 14:39.33 | Wethrin | Heh :) |
| 14:39.44 | Wethrin | *cough*RS*cough* |
| 14:39.55 | Leeds | but yeah - walking to a shop is the safest thing... |
| 14:40.49 | Leeds | I know of 3 places in walking distance of work and at least two withint 5-10 minutes drive of home... living *between* two shopping areas... |
| 14:41.41 | Cope | I also have a shop 5 mins away from home; they sell very cheap old macs too. |
| 14:41.56 | nasrat | Cope: how old? |
| 14:41.58 | Cope | Perfect for a rainy day.... :-P |
| 14:42.05 | nasrat | Cope: and how cheap |
| 14:42.40 | Cope | 'Oh - a range of power pcs and predecessors - the ones that were small boxes. Can't recall how cheap, but was looking at them yesterday. |
| 14:43.35 | nasrat | mmm, powerpc |
| 14:45.14 | Cope | Nice! |
| 14:45.37 | Wethrin | Yes. I also got hold of Mathematica for Mac, Student Version for a meagre £10 |
| 14:49.04 | gregj | hi |
| 14:49.08 | gregj | Cope: howdy |
| 14:49.23 | Clyphox | Wethrin: I waaanntt oonnee.. wwwaaaahh |
| 14:50.07 | Cope | woo gregj |
| 14:51.36 | gregj | how are you |
| 14:51.50 | gregj | how's baby going on |
| 14:52.21 | Cope | gregj: I'm am a job seeker... and baby is due in less than 3 weeks! |
| 14:52.41 | gregj | what happend? |
| 14:53.48 | Cope | company went bust :o( |
| 14:54.08 | gregj | uu |
| 14:54.10 | gregj | i am sorry |
| 14:54.24 | gregj | bad moment to be so |
| 14:56.14 | Wethrin | Clyphox: I can burn you off a copy, if you want |
| 14:57.14 | Clyphox | no RISC here |
| 14:57.16 | Clyphox | :-( |
| 14:57.36 | Wethrin | Mmmm. RISC. And CISC, sometimes :) |
| 15:07.10 | Wethrin | Mmm. HP stuff. |
| 15:30.39 | Wethrin | Right. There will be another emergency pub meeting this Friday. |
| 15:31.06 | Wethrin | There will be both beer and good conversation. Therefore, none of you should have any legitimate excuse for not turning up ;-) |
| 15:32.45 | nasrat | Wethrin: can you guarantee the quality of the conversation then |
| 15:33.17 | Wethrin | nasrat: Yes - turn up and see :-) |
| 15:33.44 | Cope | Woo! |
| 15:33.45 | Clyphox | that will at least promise a certain degree of poor quality converstion |
| 15:34.01 | Cope | I have no beer money, but can offer conversation. |
| 15:34.09 | Wethrin | That's good too. |
| 15:34.22 | Clyphox | no beer money either |
| 15:34.23 | Wethrin | Rising Sun, 46 Tottenham Court Road |
| 15:34.30 | Wethrin | (nearest tube, Goodge Street) |
| 15:34.32 | Clyphox | in fact now that its meantioned.. |
| 15:34.33 | Cope | Know it well. |
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| 15:38.05 | Wethrin | new! |
| 15:38.24 | new2unix | hi all. |
| 15:38.58 | Leeds | hey |
| 15:39.08 | Wethrin | Nov 26 08:57:55 hermes kernel: NET: 1873 messages suppressed. |
| 15:39.17 | Wethrin | Hmm.....should that be any cause for concern? |
| 15:44.47 | murble | depends what the messages are, if they are link problems, then maybe. |
| 15:45.08 | Wethrin | sending pkt_too_big (len[1456] pmtu[1400]) to self |
| 15:45.08 | Wethrin | TCP(vsftpd:1117): Application bug, race in MSG_PEEK. |
| 15:45.09 | murble | or bad tcp checksums etc which could point to a driver problem. |
| 15:45.20 | Wethrin | UDP: bad checksum. From 218.176.253.103:32768 to 64.246.29.164:53 ulen 55 |
| 15:46.38 | Wethrin | Well...it's an RTL8201 in the machine |
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| 15:47.27 | Wethrin | Hi ftc |
| 15:47.46 | ftc | hey |
| 15:47.49 | ftc | hows it going |
| 15:47.59 | Wethrin | Okay, I think. |
| 15:48.26 | ftc | don't happen to know of any it support/linux/php work around london do you? =] |
| 15:48.40 | ftc | i just arrived from australia a couple of weeks ago |
| 15:48.50 | Wethrin | Ahh. You and hundreds of other people looking :) |
| 15:49.34 | Leeds | hey ftc |
| 15:49.43 | Leeds | Wethrin: and half of them are Aussies... |
| 15:49.47 | Wethrin | ftc: Come to the pub on Friday. |
| 15:49.58 | Leeds | ftc: you a rubgy fan? :-) |
| 15:51.08 | Cope | Hmmm... ntfs not supported in kernel... wonder if there's a module. |
| 15:51.17 | Leeds | Cope: read-only in general |
| 15:52.06 | nasrat | Cope: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:55.04 | ftc | which pub? |
| 15:55.12 | ftc | Leeds: na, not really =] |
| 15:55.26 | Wethrin | "Unable to mount root fs on 03:04" - does this mean the kernel is trying to mount /dev/hda4 as the root fs? |
| 15:55.43 | Wethrin | ftc: Rising Sun, 46 Tottenham Court Road |
| 15:56.32 | Leeds | Wethrin: yeah |
| 15:56.46 | Wethrin | (nearest tube: Goodge Street, although Tottenham Court Road and Warren Street are within walking distance) |
| 15:57.54 | Wethrin | Hmm. That really shouldn't come up during installation, then. |
| 15:58.23 | Leeds | you're probably right |
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| 16:03.07 | Leeds | ftc: for nosiness... where in .au? |
| 16:04.15 | ftc | brisbane |
| 16:05.59 | Leeds | ah - I was in Sydney a little over a year ago :-) |
| 16:06.22 | Wethrin | Git just called me - dual AMD Opteron with 16GB RAM. |
| 16:06.26 | Wethrin | Utter, utter bastard. |
| 16:06.33 | ftc | ah right, just for a holiday or what? |
| 16:06.54 | Wethrin | Leeds: Was it really such a long time ago already? |
| 16:06.57 | Leeds | yeah... and I've got family there |
| 16:07.01 | Leeds | Wethrin: yeah :-( |
| 16:07.15 | Wethrin | Eeek! It feels like it was only earlier this year |
| 16:07.26 | Leeds | my sister was living there at the time, and I've got aunt/uncle/various cousins around the town |
| 16:07.43 | Leeds | it was October/November last year |
| 16:07.53 | Wethrin | Meep |
| 16:08.28 | ftc | ah yeah |
| 16:10.08 | Leeds | it's not all bad - I'll be in Paris in 23 hours :-) |
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| 16:52.34 | Wethrin | hi |
| 16:54.33 | Leeds | ho |
| 16:55.06 | Cope | How do I set up a daemon that runs fetchmail every 5 mins? |
| 16:55.21 | stephen | fetchmail -d 300 |
| 16:57.32 | ftc | otherwise for other stuff, most people use cron |
| 16:57.48 | Cope | cron nog nog |
| 16:58.03 | Wethrin | Cron good |
| 16:59.08 | Leeds | cron is good as a generic solution... and we *like* generic solutions |
| 17:15.37 | Leeds | do you get the feeling he isn't a fan of bloat? |
| 17:16.08 | JD | besides fetchmail is crap as a daemon |
| 17:16.09 | Wethrin | Somehow, I do. |
| 17:16.26 | Wethrin | s/as a daemon// ;-) |
| 17:42.37 | Wethrin | Hmm. I've got to a point that I much prefer emacs of vi(m) for anything other than quick edits |
| 17:43.29 | Leeds | emacs of vim? |
| 17:43.35 | Leeds | you fiend! |
| 17:43.36 | Wethrin | *or |
| 17:44.00 | Leeds | I just use vim for everything... mail, news, editing, viewing, navigating source... |
| 17:44.30 | Wethrin | Playing Tetris? |
| 17:45.19 | Leeds | has been done, yes :-) |
| 17:45.41 | Wethrin | Heh. |
| 17:50.15 | Leeds | oh, now I think that's rude |
| 17:50.46 | Wethrin | What? |
| 17:50.55 | Leeds | person appears on GLLUG list, asking for help/advice... one of the responses is "Oooh, you work at the BBC, tell us about the plan to give everything away" |
| 17:51.30 | Wethrin | Is this a new message that I haven't received yet? |
| 17:51.47 | Leeds | possibly |
| 17:52.10 | murble | oh dear. |
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| 17:52.36 | Wethrin | 'lo |
| 17:52.54 | Leeds | erev tov |
| 17:54.02 | armijn | heh |
| 18:04.22 | Wethrin | Hmm. I still appear to have failed to get the Gllug message you're talking about |
| 18:04.41 | Jenson | anyone know anything about usb digital cameras and linux |
| 18:04.53 | armijn | I installed Solaris 9...the first thing I did afterwards is run to sunfreeware.com to get decent toos |
| 18:04.55 | armijn | tools |
| 18:04.59 | Wethrin | Quite a few work, apparently |
| 18:05.01 | armijn | jenson: webcams? |
| 18:05.18 | Jenson | no digital cameras |
| 18:05.28 | armijn | jenson: which brand? |
| 18:05.46 | Jenson | Fujifilm |
| 18:05.48 | Jenson | its not mine |
| 18:05.55 | Jenson | its my mothers work |
| 18:05.59 | armijn | hmm |
| 18:06.19 | Jenson | it recognizing its there, adding it, but if i try to test it, it says cannot ditect dfigital camera 'bad parameters' |
| 18:06.52 | armijn | using gphoto? |
| 18:07.11 | Jenson | well ive configured it with control center, and gphoto doesnt like it either |
| 18:07.12 | armijn | jenson: which type? |
| 18:07.24 | Jenson | A204 |
| 18:07.40 | armijn | http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1612 |
| 18:07.51 | armijn | that's the one? |
| 18:08.51 | armijn | gphoto I have is too old... |
| 18:08.51 | Jenson | yeh |
| 18:09.03 | armijn | KDE based desktop? |
| 18:09.07 | Jenson | well, its in dsc mode i'm gonna check |
| 18:09.09 | Jenson | yeh |
| 18:09.14 | Jenson | mdk9.1/KDE3.1 |
| 18:09.41 | Jenson | oh and the driver is loaded |
| 18:09.43 | armijn | does anything show up in logs? about which SCSI device it is |
| 18:09.43 | Leeds | armijn: why do you insult me so? |
| 18:09.44 | armijn | ? |
| 18:09.54 | armijn | leeds: I don't! |
| 18:10.03 | Leeds | "the first thing I did afterwards is run to sunfreeware.com to get decent toos" |
| 18:10.07 | armijn | leeds: I just need newer packages than on the CD |
| 18:10.24 | Leeds | newer than you can download from Sun? |
| 18:10.42 | Jenson | what i need to know is the mountpoint for it |
| 18:11.55 | armijn | leeds: well, GNU tools... |
| 18:12.09 | Leeds | yes, and? |
| 18:12.25 | nasr_away | http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/ |
| 18:12.33 | Wethrin | Hmm. That's odd. |
| 18:12.33 | new2unix | hi jenson. a semi detailed howto on linux and digital cameras can be found on this list. Think it was in the month of September. http://list.ftech.net/pipermail/gllug/2003-September.txt.gz |
| 18:12.42 | Wethrin | I got Andy's reply, but not the message he was replying to. |
| 18:12.44 | Leeds | the first thing I did afterwards is run to sunfreeware.com to get decent toos |
| 18:12.47 | Leeds | argh |
| 18:12.52 | Leeds | yes, what nasr_away said :-) |
| 18:12.52 | Wethrin | And it's not been procmailed to /dev/null either |
| 18:13.47 | Jenson | new2unix: its alright, i'll sort the fucker, or boot into windows and d/l the drivers |
| 18:14.13 | armijn | leeds: yes, I need newer packages than listed on what nasr_away said |
| 18:14.20 | Leeds | bah |
| 18:14.24 | Leeds | so, tell us what? |
| 18:14.29 | armijn | leeds: auto* |
| 18:14.41 | Jenson | now its installing xsane, it should manage to kill the scanner too then |
| 18:14.49 | nasr_away | armijn: did you look at the link I posted? |
| 18:14.54 | armijn | nasr_away: yes |
| 18:15.13 | Leeds | armijn: ah, updated internally *this morning* to 2.58 and 1.79 :-) |
| 18:15.32 | armijn | heh :) |
| 18:15.52 | armijn | but, I didn't know that link to be honest |
| 18:15.53 | Leeds | would they be new enough? |
| 18:16.04 | armijn | I guess :) |
| 18:16.07 | Leeds | armijn: that's the project I spent two years working on - that page :-) |
| 18:16.24 | armijn | leeds: I wish the software would be there by default... |
| 18:16.51 | armijn | but it would have to be supported then... |
| 18:16.51 | Wethrin | Leeds: You spent 2 years writing HTML? |
| 18:17.03 | Leeds | we've also been working on that for years... it's not trivial - it means support issues, legal, internal political and so on |
| 18:17.12 | Leeds | Wethrin: nah, we've got a marketing man to do that :-) |
| 18:17.24 | Wethrin | :) |
| 18:17.29 | armijn | it took him two years to teach the marketing man HTML |
| 18:17.47 | armijn | so he could write the page instead of Leeds having to do that |
| 18:17.59 | armijn | which would probably have cost less than 2 years ;-) |
| 18:18.50 | armijn | jenson: usually /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 (that's what I've seen) |
| 18:19.06 | armijn | jenson: check what's in the logs |
| 18:22.41 | Jenson | armijn: ty, i seem to have mounted it now |
| 18:23.53 | armijn | I should go to pub in about 10 or so |
| 18:24.02 | Wethrin | I should go home |
| 18:24.58 | Jenson | im gonna kill mandrake in a minute |
| 18:31.39 | Jenson | time to argue with windows |
| 18:34.35 | JD | hi |
| 18:35.34 | Jenson | grr, this doesnt look any eaxier |
| 18:35.36 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 18:35.58 | armijn | jenson: does it use cards to store stuff? |
| 18:36.06 | armijn | jenson: as in, easier to use cardreader? |
| 18:36.34 | armijn | I use a cardreader with my Canon...easier and eats less batteries than using it as mass storage |
| 18:37.34 | murble | oh i didn't rliease any Canon cameras did mass-storage? |
| 18:38.15 | armijn | murble: I think they do, never tried it |
| 18:38.53 | armijn | hmm, apparently not... |
| 18:39.50 | murble | armijn: my camera supports p2p |
| 18:39.57 | murble | s/p2p/ptp/ |
| 18:40.12 | Jenson | Well, windows stayed booted for all of 5 minutes before it froze there |
| 18:43.12 | armijn | well, gotta prepare in pub for three days of Linux helpdesking at a computer fair here... |
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| 19:33.12 | murble | http://www.carrel.org/dhcp-vuln.html # anyone have a macosX toy? |
| 19:36.28 | nasrat | murble: cheers |
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| 20:18.49 | Leeds | hmm... weather in Paris is shit |
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| 20:22.06 | Marios_ | hello |
| 20:23.10 | murble | Leeds: why did you need to go theire to find that out? |
| 20:23.55 | Leeds | I'm not there yet |
| 20:23.58 | Leeds | evening Marios_ |
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| 20:28.23 | Marios_ | Leeds..i thought you are leaving today |
| 20:28.54 | Wethrin | Gah fuck fuckety fuck fuck fuck. |
| 20:28.56 | Wethrin | And arse. |
| 20:29.11 | Clyphox | yes |
| 20:29.13 | Clyphox | I agree |
| 20:29.14 | Leeds | Marios_: tomorrow |
| 20:29.25 | Wethrin | a) Bloody trains |
| 20:29.34 | Wethrin | b) Leaving box of software on train |
| 20:29.42 | Wethrin | c) Bloody lost property office only open until 8. |
| 20:30.20 | Wethrin | d) Ticket office only open until 8.10, so can't phone ahead to next station, because the train was bloody delayed (hence arrive after 8.10) |
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| 20:30.56 | Marios_ | cool |
| 20:31.23 | Leeds | argh |
| 20:31.28 | cozmonort | hello |
| 20:32.55 | Clyphox | Leeds: live?!? |
| 20:33.07 | Leeds | no - it was at about 1300 |
| 20:33.14 | Clyphox | :-( |
| 20:33.33 | Leeds | crappy little postage-stamp Realvideo stream |
| 20:33.33 | Clyphox | 12 Concordes VS 12,000 Boing 747's |
| 20:34.54 | Marios_ | Hello cozmonort |
| 20:34.58 | Jenson | hiya cozmonort |
| 20:35.01 | Marios_ | Hello Jenson |
| 20:35.15 | cozmonort | Mi Marios_ Jenson |
| 20:35.33 | cozmonort | Hi* |
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| 20:36.07 | Leeds | bah, 747 is an ugly efficient Yankee thing |
| 20:36.19 | cozmonort | Marios_ what u upto |
| 20:36.22 | cozmonort | ? |
| 20:36.36 | Marios_ | well finishing up some work...and ready for holidays |
| 20:36.46 | Marios_ | tomorrow is Thanksgiving !! |
| 20:36.55 | cozmonort | cool |
| 20:37.44 | Marios_ | cozmonort << any news over there?? |
| 20:38.37 | cozmonort | just working and am planning to talk to my boss about time off and stuff, also starting to lok for new work |
| 20:38.56 | Wethrin | So? :-) |
| 20:38.59 | Marios_ | ohhh why don't like your current one? |
| 20:39.36 | cozmonort | bored of it, also got sick of working with my boss (he can be a (&*^*$%&£) |
| 20:39.54 | Marios_ | same here... |
| 20:40.03 | cozmonort | but i do like the industry |
| 20:40.20 | cozmonort | so im planning to find simular work |
| 20:40.20 | Marios_ | 5 years with exactly same people everymorning |
| 20:40.41 | Marios_ | sweet |
| 20:41.04 | Leeds | I've been working with some of the same people for 5 years - at two different companies... I like it :-) |
| 20:41.11 | Wethrin | Dear UK, please stop with the privatised and semi-privatised train companies. They're crap. Love, Dan. |
| 20:41.35 | cozmonort | Jenson: hows the job hunting going for u hon |
| 20:42.08 | cozmonort | none of the same people work in my office since I started |
| 20:42.39 | Marios_ | Leeds << atually it depends on the people |
| 20:42.51 | Leeds | Wethrin: I did tell you that when I called to complain about them pissing us around for Bletchley in the summer - the guy I got apologised and started waxing nostalgic about the olden days when everyone used to work for the same company and pulled together :-) |
| 20:42.56 | Leeds | Marios_: of course! |
| 20:43.16 | Marios_ | I wasn't as lucky as you I guess ;) |
| 20:43.24 | Jenson | cozmonort: not really done much |
| 20:43.43 | cozmonort | Jenson: k |
| 20:44.25 | Wethrin | Leeds: You didn't say. But cool :) |
| 20:44.26 | Marios_ | anywayz gotta go pick up my car from the mechanic....talk to you guys later |
| 20:44.39 | cozmonort | bye |
| 20:44.40 | Leeds | seeya |
| 20:44.43 | Wethrin | I'll phone them early in the morning. |
| 20:44.45 | Wethrin | c'ya |
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| 20:45.11 | Wethrin | If they're reasonably intelligent (hah), it should be on its way back to Marylebone right now |
| 20:45.26 | Leeds | it's probably in Paris right now... or Glasgow |
| 20:45.45 | Leeds | or blown up... |
| 20:45.45 | Wethrin | Heh :) Fortunately, the train was only running to Bicester North. And will run back to Marylebone from there |
| 20:46.14 | Wethrin | True. Unmarked brown cardboard box... |
| 20:46.19 | Leeds | I hope that wasn't the *only* copy of Novell Linux Pro 10.0 |
| 20:47.50 | Wethrin | >:-) |
| 20:47.50 | Wethrin | We have masters... |
| 20:48.39 | Leeds | which makes you slaves? |
| 20:50.40 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 20:51.06 | cozmonort | brb |
| 20:51.44 | Wethrin | Does having train-related stress count as an excuse? |
| 20:51.53 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:52.35 | Wethrin | Good :) |
| 20:52.55 | Wethrin | Silly Underground - shoving us from train to train |
| 20:54.07 | Wethrin | And then delayed trains. Gargh. |
| 20:57.11 | Wethrin | I hope not. |
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| 21:58.05 | Clyphox | Moo |
| 21:59.06 | Wethrin | ooM |
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| 22:01.33 | stephanb | JD: hi there |
| 22:03.59 | JD | hi |
| 22:04.14 | stephanb | JD: is it true that you have played with Morphix ? |
| 22:04.20 | JD | no |
| 22:04.26 | stephanb | duh :-( |
| 22:04.30 | JD | they are just rumours |
| 22:04.48 | JD | I did not have relations with that CD |
| 22:05.08 | stephanb | nor did prince charles with that butler |
| 22:05.19 | JD | yeah but I really haven't |
| 22:05.27 | JD | I'm looked at knoppix once |
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| 22:06.24 | stephanb | ah, i'm interested in the LightGUI version of morphix for old (pentium II) machines |
| 22:06.45 | stephanb | afaik knoppix is a full blown distro with KDE |
| 22:07.23 | JD | yep |
| 22:07.31 | JD | well it is basically debian on a CD |
| 22:08.13 | stephanb | hmm |
| 22:08.45 | stephanb | any other distros you have tested for "old" hardware ? |
| 22:13.29 | JD | debian? |
| 22:14.28 | stephanb | JD: well i may as well continue with morphix then, and learn to add the .deb packages that i would like |
| 22:16.19 | Wethrin | stephanb: Define 'old' hardware |
| 22:16.40 | Wethrin | Linux won't run on a PDP |
| 22:17.17 | Marios_ | how about on atari 2600 ?? ;) |
| 22:19.20 | Wethrin | Too new :) |
| 22:19.39 | Marios_ | hehehehe |
| 22:19.54 | Clyphox | what makes 2600 have such a nice ring to the name? |
| 22:20.05 | Wethrin | Because of the 'hacker' group. |
| 22:20.39 | Marios_ | it can be a reason |
| 22:20.44 | stephanb | Wethrin: pentium I + 32MB ram to Pentium II + 64 or 128MB ram |
| 22:21.06 | Wethrin | That's not old. |
| 22:21.24 | Clyphox | way too much ram and cpu cycles |
| 22:21.29 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 22:21.45 | Wethrin | Dammit, what about the days when Real Programmers coded directly on rotating drums? |
| 22:21.59 | Wethrin | You kids. You have it all so easy, with your compilers, and your assemblers. |
| 22:22.06 | Wethrin | And even your compiler compilers. |
| 22:22.10 | stephanb | Bring back Alan Turing ! |
| 22:22.27 | Wethrin | It's Da Bombe. |
| 22:22.42 | stephanb | Bring back the code that modifies itself in machine language ! |
| 22:22.50 | stephen | Wethrin: been reading http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html ? |
| 22:22.52 | Wethrin | stephanb: Easy to do |
| 22:22.59 | Wethrin | Hmm. Not recently :) |
| 22:23.30 | stephanb | Bring back the boot loader on perforated tape ! |
| 22:24.07 | stephanb | Bring back the Tektronix graphic console ! |
| 22:25.42 | stephanb | Bring back the TI-59 programmable calculator ! |
| 22:26.04 | Wethrin | Mmmmmmm. PPT. |
| 22:34.15 | Leeds | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060865662&category=298 |
| 22:34.23 | Leeds | just read the description... |
| 22:35.06 | Wethrin | Heh :) |
| 22:35.14 | Wethrin | Is £225 reasonable, or expensive? |
| 22:35.31 | Marios_ | , SO RATHER THAN DIVORCE WE HAVE TO SELL THE TIVO.YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED |
| 22:35.32 | Leeds | reasonable-ish |
| 22:35.40 | Marios_ | lol |
| 22:35.57 | stephanb | DUE TO MY WIFE WANTING TO GET SKY PLUS WHICH IS IN NO WAY AS GOOD AS THE TIVO BUT TRY TELLING MY WIFE THAT, SO RATHER THAN DIVORCE WE HAVE TO SELL THE TIVO. |
| 22:36.16 | Wethrin | :) |
| 22:36.28 | stephanb | my name is Dr jenkins and i do tivo couple therapy as well |
| 22:37.27 | stephanb | Leeds: you could start an MA in psychology on ebay |
| 22:38.03 | Leeds | Today on Jerry Springer: "HE LOVES THE TIVO MORE THAN HE LOVES ME!" |
| 22:38.23 | stephanb | mwwwwoooaaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha |
| 22:41.13 | stephanb | Leeds: Dr Benway will now write you a prescription : |
| 22:41.15 | stephanb | sleep |
| 22:41.18 | stephanb | 1x a day |
| 22:41.25 | stephanb | preferably after dinner |
| 22:42.19 | Jenson | ow my head hurts |
| 22:42.37 | stephanb | Jenson: which part of your head ? |
| 22:42.52 | Jenson | i dunno, the part that hurts |
| 22:42.53 | Leeds | Jenson: then stop banging it against the wall |
| 22:43.08 | Jenson | Leeds: actually bankging at against the wall might be a good |
| 22:43.09 | Jenson | idea |
| 22:43.46 | stephanb | Dr benway doesn't think that banging the head against hard objects would be advised |
| 22:44.14 | Jenson | im tired, im stressed |
| 22:44.30 | stephanb | Leeds: ? why, headbanging is not kosher ? |
| 22:44.33 | Leeds | im pei? |
| 22:45.06 | stephanb | Jenson: 1. take the same prescritpion as Leeds |
| 22:45.32 | stephanb | Jenson: 2. massage the back of the head, where the skull attaches to the neck |
| 22:45.45 | Leeds | stephanb: let's just leave it at: it concerns the permissability of taking Viagra on the Sabbath, the thoughts of Shammai and Hillel as ever, and the relevent bracha :-) It's very Jewish... and from a Rabbi no less :-) |
| 22:46.01 | stephanb | mwwoooaaahahaha |
| 22:46.10 | stephanb | that's better than Jerry Springer |
| 22:46.24 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 22:47.25 | stephanb | Leeds: what is the permissability of smoking ganja on the sabbath ? is it strictly restricted to rastafarians ? |
| 22:47.40 | Jenson | Leeds: probably |
| 22:47.55 | Leeds | smoking anything on the sabbath is completely forbidden anyway |
| 22:48.14 | stephanb | Leeds: as long as your sleeping bag is adequate for the temperature in the room, you should be ok |
| 22:48.20 | Leeds | the whole "making fire" thing pretty much counts it out |
| 22:48.24 | Leeds | stephanb: duvet :-) |
| 22:48.32 | Wethrin | Leeds: Get camper van ;-) |
| 22:48.36 | Leeds | heh |
| 22:49.08 | stephanb | Leeds: if the duvet is not warm enough, try to roll it like a sleeping bag. 2. get a proper sleeping bag |
| 22:49.28 | Leeds | alternatively... I could get my heating fixed... |
| 22:49.40 | stephanb | alternatively ... i was gonna say that :-) |
| 22:50.13 | stephanb | Leeds: so you can't make fire on sabbath ? how did people do before central heating ? |
| 22:50.51 | Leeds | make a fire before the start of the Sabbath - keep it burning. Alternatively... live in the desert :-) |
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| 22:51.19 | Leeds | hey irvined |
| 22:51.55 | irvined | hi Leeds |
| 22:52.33 | stephanb | going to bed. bye everybody ! |
| 22:52.37 | Leeds | night |
| 22:52.48 | stephanb | Leeds: nite nite |
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| 22:54.23 | irvined | hows it going? |
| 22:54.37 | Wethrin | nn |
| 22:54.41 | Wethrin | Oh. Missed him. |
| 22:55.00 | Leeds | hah! |
| 22:55.32 | Leeds | Maplins' idea of a bargain :-) |
| 22:55.44 | Wethrin | Que? |
| 22:56.29 | Leeds | ?69.99 for a 120Gb hard drive... |
| 22:56.43 | *** join/#gllug highbury_knoppix (~knoppix@81-1-75-33.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 22:56.51 | Wethrin | That's not bad... |
| 22:57.24 | Leeds | I bought one today for just under 60+shipping... 68 including next-day |
| 22:57.44 | Clyphox | wow!? you have money! |
| 22:57.46 | Wethrin | So for £2 more you could walk into a shop and have it then&there. |
| 22:57.53 | Wethrin | I'd say that's a bargain :-) |
| 22:58.18 | Leeds | this is an e-mail from Maplins - I don't think it includes over-the0-counter |
| 22:58.23 | highbury_knoppix | hi, how do I mount a cdrw disk formatted on Windows on Linux? |
| 22:58.24 | Wethrin | I think it was. |
| 22:58.29 | Leeds | Clyphox: I have a job :-) |
| 22:58.36 | Wethrin | The TCR Maplins had them in the window. |
| 22:58.51 | Clyphox | Leeds: got any spare ones? |
| 22:59.13 | Leeds | highbury_knoppix: hmm? is it not iso9660? maybe udf? |
| 22:59.47 | Leeds | Clyphox: http://uk.sun.com/ojp/ |
| 22:59.56 | highbury_knoppix | mount -t udf /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 |
| 23:00.58 | Leeds | mount: IRC command not found |
| 23:02.30 | highbury_knoppix | hmm trying to do this on knoppix, I have 2 broken windows partitions, and I'm trying to copy data onto cdrw |
| 23:03.05 | Leeds | are you *still* fighting with your broken permissions? |
| 23:03.26 | Leeds | uh... partitions |
| 23:03.28 | Marios_ | trying to make a usb keyring work in RH9 |
| 23:03.40 | Marios_ | did anybody try this before? |
| 23:03.42 | highbury_knoppix | :-) nope fixed them on my PC |
| 23:05.27 | highbury_knoppix | but I had to install Windows Me on a friends PC, It had Roxio GoBack on it (Now part of Norton), and I ran acronis on it. Apparently the GoBack data format is a bit whacky, neither Acronis or Partition magic will touch it, without totally breaking it |
| 23:05.41 | Leeds | what's acronis? |
| 23:07.04 | highbury_knoppix | Acronis make products like PowerQuest, Partitioning and Imaging software |
| 23:07.25 | highbury_knoppix | They support Linux file formats, ext2, ext3 reiserfs, etc |
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| 23:26.44 | pawelsz | . |
| 23:26.49 | Wethrin | Stack empty |
| 23:26.57 | pawelsz | :-) |
| 23:27.19 | pawelsz | what's up? |
| 23:27.21 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 23:27.24 | Wethrin | I'm tiiiiired |
| 23:27.35 | pawelsz | ooo, why? |
| 23:27.43 | Wethrin | not enough sleep |
| 23:28.15 | pawelsz | hm, to much time with keyboard? |
| 23:28.29 | pawelsz | s/to/too/ |
| 23:28.43 | Wethrin | And on trains |
| 23:30.17 | pawelsz | little off topic, do u have maybe cv? ;-) |
| 23:30.30 | Wethrin | Yes. One moment... |
| 23:30.54 | pawelsz | i want to see correctly paper. |
| 23:32.19 | Wethrin | http://eco.li/cv.pdf |
| 23:32.45 | Wethrin | (I have to update the website proper with that version of the CV, so it'll move from there in a few weeks time) |
| 23:34.29 | Wethrin | G'night all |
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| 23:42.11 | Marios_ | anybody who is not sleeping ? |
| 23:42.43 | Leeds | maybe |
| 23:43.06 | Marios_ | hehhehee |
| 23:43.17 | Marios_ | Leeds << you sleep late |
| 23:44.49 | Leeds | yes |
| 23:48.22 | Marios_ | I was looking at Solaris today.... |
| 23:48.40 | Marios_ | why they don't have kernel source open? |
| 23:50.03 | murble | Marios_: because if they did we could all laugh at Leeds code! |
| 23:50.15 | Leeds | because it's a commercial product |
| 23:50.17 | murble | (there excuse will be that it belongs to lots of other people like SCO) |
| 23:50.39 | murble | Leeds: wasn't there to have been a policy about opensourcing stuff in Sun about 5 years ago? |
| 23:50.46 | Leeds | there has been some "look but don't touch" openness in the past - people didn't seem all that interested |
| 23:50.48 | Leeds | murble: ? |
| 23:51.13 | murble | Leeds: that is when i rember it being announced. about the time that 2.2 came out |
| 23:51.17 | murble | linux kernel |
| 23:51.25 | murble | don't know if that was 5 years ago actually.. |
| 23:52.01 | murble | no only 4 |
| 23:52.10 | Leeds | Marios_: how it opening the code lead to Sun making more money? |
| 23:52.40 | murble | Leeds: or how could opening the code help sun lose less money? |
| 23:52.51 | Leeds | murble: same thing |
| 23:52.55 | murble | Leeds: I know. |
| 23:53.02 | Marios_ | lol |
| 23:53.32 | Marios_ | it won't |
| 23:53.57 | Leeds | then why do it? |
| 23:54.05 | Marios_ | but isn't the same case with Microsoft?? that you buy an OS and you don't know what they have hidden there? |
| 23:54.20 | Leeds | not really |
| 23:54.35 | Marios_ | and now goverments are enforcing M$ to show the source code to goverments etc etc |
| 23:54.53 | murble | Leeds: well i suppose the alternative is to let it sink into obscurity |
| 23:55.28 | Leeds | Solaris is dedicated to open standards - it's Unix! |
| 23:56.05 | Leeds | murble: how so? |
| 23:56.06 | Marios_ | yeah but still ...when you see you can't trust |
| 23:56.13 | Leeds | Marios_: trust me :-) |
| 23:56.20 | Marios_ | I do trust you |
| 23:56.25 | Marios_ | I am talking in general |
| 23:57.23 | Marios_ | let's say if a goverment wants to have OS install in military...the absolute way to see if there is nothing fishy there , is to have to source |
| 23:57.31 | Leeds | we do have a source code product... you can get the source if you need it |
| 23:57.35 | Marios_ | and of course the experts to understand it |
| 23:57.46 | Marios_ | ohhh now ok |
| 23:57.56 | Leeds | I would expect the US Army has access to the source - I don't *know* - that's a guess |
| 23:58.17 | Marios_ | yeah this is actually what I mean |
| 23:58.49 | Marios_ | so ...where physically to they write the solaris kernel? |
| 23:58.52 | Leeds | there is a lot of pushing internally to open stuff up, but the question "How does this make us money?" always has to be asked, and there genuinely are legal issues |
| 23:59.06 | Marios_ | you are in the UK...I assume they write parts of it there |
| 23:59.27 | Leeds | and... remember that Sun is the single largest 'donator' of open source code in the world |
| 23:59.42 | Leeds | Solaris development is global |
| 23:59.45 | Marios_ | I am not accusing Sun that is against open source... |