| 00:00.04 | Marios_ | I was just wanted to know about Solaris Kernel |
| 00:00.59 | Leeds | so, there's your answer :-) |
| 00:01.04 | Marios_ | sure |
| 00:01.16 | Marios_ | thanx ;) |
| 00:04.45 | Marios_ | Leeds << did you get any free tickets for Palo Alto ? |
| 00:05.21 | Leeds | ?? |
| 00:05.35 | Leeds | for what in Palo Alto? |
| 00:05.39 | Marios_ | SUN's campus in California |
| 00:05.52 | Marios_ | one of their campus |
| 00:06.21 | Leeds | yes, I know Palo Alto - I don't know what your question is? |
| 00:07.02 | Marios_ | I was asking whether you have visited their headquarters |
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| 00:07.30 | Cope | Evening |
| 00:07.41 | Leeds | the HQ is in Santa Clara, not Palo Alto... and the main engineering campus is in Menlo Park... and yes, I've been to MPK :-) |
| 00:07.44 | Leeds | hey cope |
| 00:08.29 | Leeds | ew |
| 00:08.36 | Marios_ | cool |
| 00:08.37 | Cope | I had a spare 8G hdd |
| 00:08.50 | Cope | Decided to copy knoppix to it for a laugh. |
| 00:09.00 | Cope | Installed lilo to MBR |
| 00:09.03 | Cope | All fine. |
| 00:09.27 | Cope | Then the hdd became fubar'd - utterly useless. |
| 00:09.35 | Cope | :-( |
| 00:09.59 | Cope | And now when I switch on the machine I don't get lilo, I get 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 00:10.04 | Leeds | um |
| 00:10.11 | Leeds | that's pretty fubared |
| 00:10.27 | Cope | Luckily I have my knoppix cd! |
| 00:10.31 | Leeds | heh |
| 00:10.33 | Cope | so I can fix things! |
| 00:10.40 | Marios_ | is it a SCSI hard disk? |
| 00:10.47 | Marios_ | cause I had the same problem |
| 00:10.54 | Cope | No... its an oldish ide device |
| 00:11.38 | Cope | Dunno what happened, but when I try to repartition it it behaves *very* oddly! Creates 4 partitions starting in random positions. |
| 00:11.55 | Cope | And you can't mk2fs on it either... it just give zillions of error messages. |
| 00:12.14 | Cope | So its destined for the bin :o) |
| 00:12.38 | Cope | So no I need to reinstall lilo, or maybe take this opportunity to install grub. |
| 00:13.29 | Marios_ | i had this problem with SCSI and also when I had Linux on a drive that was in an PCI IDE controler |
| 00:14.57 | Marios_ | hmmm |
| 00:25.14 | Leeds | argh |
| 00:26.00 | pawelsz | ketchup. |
| 00:26.55 | Leeds | mustard |
| 00:27.12 | Clyphox | brown sauce |
| 00:27.20 | pawelsz | beer. |
| 00:27.22 | pawelsz | 8-) |
| 00:27.39 | pawelsz | http://www.redcolony.com/ |
| 00:34.45 | Clyphox | beer..hmmm |
| 00:35.39 | pawelsz | Clyphox: I have 2 becks in freezer, if prefer.. |
| 00:35.42 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 00:36.25 | pawelsz | s/if/"if you"/ |
| 00:36.32 | Clyphox | Coffee 4 now.. ta |
| 00:37.26 | pawelsz | ups. I dont have. :-/ i drunk last one with gregj. ;-) |
| 00:37.43 | Leeds | pawelsz: London not far enough for you? |
| 00:39.32 | pawelsz | Leeds: nope. ;p |
| 00:47.30 | axelS-zZz | gn8 all |
| 00:48.01 | Leeds | night |
| 00:48.06 | Clyphox | Hey know what... |
| 00:48.11 | Clyphox | 100 years of Powered flight next month! W000t |
| 00:48.16 | Clyphox | night axelS-zZz |
| 00:48.50 | gregj | :/ |
| 00:50.11 | Leeds | and last flight of Concorde today... |
| 00:51.09 | Clyphox | :-( |
| 00:51.34 | Clyphox | SR-71 > Concorde |
| 00:52.55 | gregj | was ist SR-71 |
| 00:53.09 | Leeds | yeah, but it's different isn't it - one is a military/research thing - the other is a consumer thing |
| 00:53.28 | Leeds | the point is that until recently... everyone could, in theory, go on Concorde |
| 00:53.58 | Clyphox | sr71 flew higher/faster than any other plane ever :-) |
| 00:54.25 | gregj | sure |
| 00:54.30 | Clyphox | none were ever grounded or shot down |
| 00:54.58 | Clyphox | and they never even pushed them too see if they could go higher/faster.. its apsolutly amazing |
| 00:55.35 | Clyphox | above anything else.. a plane made outta titanium!? how kewl is that?! |
| 00:56.03 | Cope | Fairly cool. |
| 00:56.05 | Leeds | not cool in the slightest |
| 00:56.06 | Cope | Evening all. |
| 00:56.14 | Leeds | bloody hot in fact |
| 00:56.29 | Clyphox | indeed.. they painted them black to stop them melting |
| 00:56.41 | Clyphox | evening cope |
| 00:57.49 | Leeds | hey cope |
| 00:58.00 | Cope | Hi Leeds :o) |
| 00:58.50 | Cope | I sent cvs to 25 people today! |
| 00:59.11 | Clyphox | woohoo |
| 01:00.10 | Leeds | cvs? |
| 01:00.14 | gregj | CVs |
| 01:00.16 | Clyphox | CS's |
| 01:00.19 | Clyphox | er CV's |
| 01:00.21 | Leeds | you're sending source code around? :-) |
| 01:00.34 | Cope | Hey gregj |
| 01:00.34 | gregj | spamming ? |
| 01:00.39 | gregj | hey Cope |
| 01:01.26 | Cope | Well, not cool techie geeky people anyway. |
| 01:03.19 | Clyphox | and beer |
| 01:03.25 | Clyphox | I think I can afford to ome.. |
| 01:03.56 | Clyphox | s/ome/come |
| 01:05.00 | Cope | Is Xiaoqi also in London? |
| 01:06.03 | Marios_ | Cope << you just went int the job website and sent CVs ?? |
| 01:07.24 | Cope | Marios_ - No, I had a list of names and contact numbers. I phoned them all, introduced myself, and then sent them my cv. |
| 01:09.34 | Marios_ | ohh I see |
| 01:10.05 | Marios_ | when you get a job let me know your strategy ...I need to get a job as well |
| 01:10.31 | Cope | heh... thanks for the vote of confidence! This is day 1 of the job hunt.... |
| 01:11.05 | Marios_ | cool |
| 01:11.14 | Marios_ | I am in the day -360 |
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| 08:33.05 | mozrat | Mornin' folks |
| 08:33.27 | Leeds | hello |
| 08:33.34 | Tarragon | Moin |
| 08:36.23 | mozrat | Had a meeting yesterday with a chap from IBM about rolling out Lotus Domino on Linux |
| 08:36.48 | mozrat | The guy was... well... a little lacking considering his lofty position in the Linux sales area |
| 08:38.56 | Leeds | lacking in knowledge? Sales experience? |
| 08:39.29 | Leeds | penguin-food supplies? :-) |
| 08:41.02 | mozrat | Sadly lacking in very basic knowledge. We obviously weren't expecting him to rock up and starting compling kernels but he really didn't know a lot about Linux |
| 08:41.52 | mozrat | For example he mentioned that they only support RedHat systems on a single CPU, and that they were going to support SMP next year (fair enough) |
| 08:42.48 | mozrat | but when the conversation turned to building clusters on Linux, and how we can only get 2-node clusters from Windows he kept harping back to "wait until next year, we'll support up to 8 CPUs on Redhat" |
| 08:43.06 | Leeds | cheat sheet... |
| 08:43.14 | mozrat | We mentioned that we meant multiple servers rather than multiple CPUs but it didn't really sink in |
| 08:44.00 | mozrat | He also bragged about his vision for Linux on the desktop etc etc, and how his CEO now uses it exclusivley on the desktop |
| 08:44.32 | Leeds | wow! :-) |
| 08:44.33 | mozrat | He had his laptop out and when one of the IT guys asked what he ran on it his face just dropped ;-) |
| 08:44.44 | mozrat | You can guess the rest |
| 08:45.37 | mozrat | I'm not really doing justice to how bad he was here, but he was shocking |
| 08:50.10 | Leeds | well, that' |
| 08:50.15 | Leeds | that's always good to hear :-) |
| 08:51.14 | mozrat | They also won't support Debian which is a little sad |
| 08:51.32 | mozrat | So we have to flip between RedHat and SuSE |
| 08:52.51 | Leeds | that's pretty common for corporate stuff |
| 08:55.34 | mozrat | I suppose. IBM can't effectively support all distros I suppose, |
| 08:56.54 | Leeds | resignation |
| 08:58.24 | Leeds | I suppose :-) |
| 08:59.12 | Leeds | thing is... the only other sensible way of doing things would be to say "we support a system with kernel 2.4.foo, glibc 2.2.bar, XF86 4.frog, gcc 3.2.fish, etc." and then you've just reinvented the LSB... |
| 09:08.56 | mozrat | Hmm, not too keen on the LSB to be honest. |
| 09:09.53 | Leeds | no? |
| 09:13.16 | mozrat | Well, wasn't the idea of setting it up (in part at least) to challenge RedHats dominance. Doesn't sound like the best idea to be honest. |
| 09:13.41 | mozrat | And are SCO still a part of that (Hang on, am I thinking of something different here) |
| 09:14.57 | mozrat | No I'm thinking of UNited Linux (please disregard what I said... I'm stoopid this morning!) |
| 09:18.33 | axelS | morning |
| 09:19.00 | mozrat | Hi |
| 09:23.14 | Leeds | ah yes, very different thing :-) |
| 09:23.25 | Cope | Morning |
| 09:23.45 | Leeds | hey cope, axelS |
| 09:23.58 | Leeds | woo |
| 09:24.38 | Cope | Only problem is I don't know what the market rate is in terms of pay. |
| 09:24.52 | Cope | Several people have asked me how much I am asking for. |
| 09:25.03 | mozrat | Is it contract or perm? |
| 09:25.03 | Cope | I don't know a sensible answer for contract work. |
| 09:25.08 | Cope | Contract |
| 09:25.30 | mozrat | Obviously every job is different but I'd ask for £200 /day |
| 09:25.38 | Cope | Job was linux sysadmin for investment bank, 3 month contract. |
| 09:25.42 | mozrat | depends how long the contract is for |
| 09:27.05 | Cope | I said: Ummmmm - last time I did any contract work was 2001 and I charged 20 pounds an hour, I think. |
| 09:28.12 | Leeds | okay... I have tickets (train), tickets (concert), passport, cash, cards... I don't really need anything else to travel, do I? :-) |
| 09:28.26 | mozrat | toothbrush? |
| 09:28.43 | Leeds | ah yes - toiletries in general... |
| 09:29.11 | mozrat | pda, mobile phone, blackberry, laptop, spare batterys, dictaphone |
| 09:29.21 | mozrat | Sorry got a little carried away ther |
| 09:29.25 | mozrat | s/ther/there |
| 09:30.16 | Leeds | laptop and phone are charging... can't be bothered to take the PDA... don't have a blackberry, spare batteries or a dictaphone |
| 09:30.27 | mozrat | soldering kit? |
| 09:30.29 | Cope | Where are you going? |
| 09:30.43 | Leeds | Paris! :-) |
| 09:30.47 | Cope | Woo! |
| 09:31.00 | mozrat | Travel power adaptor (most important) |
| 09:31.14 | Leeds | I'm currently waiting for the tumble dryer to finish so I have some clothes to wear today and take with... |
| 09:31.35 | Cope | For future reference, what's the best way to play the: How much money do you want? question? |
| 09:31.44 | Leeds | got one adapter... phone *probably* won't need charging while I'm there |
| 09:33.02 | Cope | Nor me. |
| 09:33.33 | mozrat | Umm tough one though... |
| 09:33.38 | Leeds | although I have been in the very enjoyable situation of having two companies trying to beat each other's offers :-) |
| 09:34.50 | mozrat | I normally have a price in mind that I want to get (£x) add a little on (£y) and say.... |
| 09:35.12 | Cope | I think the danger is that agents think like PHBs do of software: If its free or cheap, its crap; if its really expensive, it must be great. |
| 09:35.17 | Leeds | I demand X + Y! |
| 09:35.28 | mozrat | "Well in my last position I was earning £y. I realise that the market is a little tight, and this is a good opportunity so I'm happy to look at dropping to £x |
| 09:35.32 | mozrat | " |
| 09:36.02 | mozrat | X + Y == "ching ching" |
| 09:36.19 | Leeds | Cope: except I think people are still very focussed on saving money at the moment - I imagine it would be easy to price yourself too high |
| 09:36.19 | Cope | Trouble is I was earning woefully little in previous job. |
| 09:36.42 | Leeds | Cope: um... I don't think mozrat was suggesting telling the truth about Y :-) |
| 09:36.51 | Cope | Leeds: Yeah. I think I priced myself to low... if he only wants X then he can't be good. |
| 09:37.27 | Cope | Leeds: Yes, I suppose you don't need to tell the truth about Y |
| 09:37.33 | mozrat | mozrat: the truth of that matter is that if you want to feed kiddies, but geeky stuff etc you need to get the best deal you can. |
| 09:37.42 | mozrat | s/but/buy |
| 09:37.59 | mozrat | and if that means expanding the truth on how much you earnt previously then so be it. |
| 09:38.10 | Cope | Absolutely! :o) |
| 09:38.37 | mozrat | I wouldn't advocate lying about technical ability (that hardly ever works) but how much you earnt... well... |
| 09:38.51 | nasrat | mozrat: that is verifyable |
| 09:39.25 | Leeds | hot clothes! |
| 09:39.28 | mozrat | nasrat: Of course. |
| 09:40.01 | nasrat | so it depends how competent the HR at the other end. Plus they are going to get your P45 at the end of the day |
| 09:41.37 | Cope | When doing contract work, is your literal employer the agent or the actual company? |
| 09:41.58 | mozrat | Yep. Of course your wage on the P45 isn't always the full story. You could say "Well I got this benefit in my last job which was worth £X to me in my last job" |
| 09:43.02 | Leeds | "Frankly - this is a far shittier company and I expect to be paid more to make up for loss of respect amongst my peers" |
| 09:43.24 | mozrat | That just might work!!! |
| 09:44.14 | Leeds | it's called chutzpah :-) |
| 09:46.58 | Leeds | mt favourite example of chutzpah: killing both your parents and asking for the mercy of the court because you were recently orphaned :-) |
| 09:47.05 | mozrat | Cope: On my last contract I was paid by the agency weekly |
| 09:51.44 | Cope | mozrat: So one question might be: How will you pay me? Weekly? Hourly? Daily? |
| 09:52.12 | mozrat | Well, if you are paid by the agency it is normally weekly |
| 09:52.27 | mozrat | Oh I see how will you bill them. I've always done daily |
| 09:53.43 | mozrat | I think employers normally get billed by the agency per day, so you would get per day also. |
| 09:54.16 | Cope | Hmm... when you work out your daily rate in a permanent position, its not very generous! |
| 09:54.48 | mozrat | Absolutely... I much prefer contracting, although it's only good if you can keep getting work |
| 09:54.56 | mozrat | Where do you live Cope? |
| 09:55.02 | Cope | NW6 |
| 09:55.06 | Cope | Kilburn |
| 10:03.22 | mozrat | see you all later |
| 10:04.49 | Leeds | bye all |
| 10:31.58 | Cope | What's memtest86? |
| 10:34.26 | eye69 | Cope: It tests your memory. You either launch it from your bootloader or directly from a floppy. |
| 10:34.30 | eye69 | memtest86.com |
| 10:34.36 | Cope | Handy? |
| 10:34.46 | eye69 | Yes, if you suspect memory fault. |
| 10:35.55 | Cope | What's the grub equivalent of linux single in lilo to bring up a root console? |
| 10:37.42 | eye69 | Put the word single last on the kernel line |
| 10:37.50 | Cope | ok |
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| 11:53.01 | Clyphox | Moin |
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| 11:56.35 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 11:56.40 | jason_ukfsn | even if only just |
| 11:59.12 | Clyphox | mornin |
| 12:19.53 | murble | good afternoon |
| 12:20.05 | mozrat | good afternoon Mr Murble |
| 12:21.00 | jason_ukfsn | hey murble |
| 12:22.51 | jason_ukfsn | so it's a job you *really* want then? |
| 12:24.44 | murble | semi want, tis local to here and doing unixy and solarisy stuff, but being accedmic they want about a million references |
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| 12:25.57 | Tarragon | Fill in application now, if local hand deliver, could make deadline today nevermind tomorrow |
| 12:26.36 | jason_ukfsn | murble: don't worry about references so much. Make the application then it's their problem. |
| 12:28.05 | murble | Tarragon: I'm going to submit by email i think. |
| 12:28.24 | murble | they don't so you can't and they give an email address for the person you have to send it to. |
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| 12:39.50 | Leeds_mac | I'M ON THE TRAIN! |
| 12:40.09 | Wethrin | GOOD! |
| 12:40.32 | Leeds_mac | GPRS and bluetooth... works quite well ;-) |
| 12:40.40 | Wethrin | Git :-P |
| 12:42.13 | Tarragon | Is there a heavy lag? |
| 12:42.58 | Leeds_mac | more limited b/w I think... ssh is slow |
| 12:43.08 | Wethrin | telnet... |
| 12:43.26 | Leeds_mac | not turned on... and it's the packet overhead which kills you |
| 12:43.38 | Wethrin | mm |
| 12:44.28 | Leeds_mac | /msg Wethrin by the way - if you want to talk about getting your box in - mail admin@lists.j-colo.net to talk to my collegues |
| 12:44.31 | Leeds_mac | argh |
| 12:44.46 | Leeds_mac | bloody IM-thinks-its-an-IRC-client |
| 12:46.31 | Leeds_mac | Wethrin: did you get that? |
| 12:46.45 | Wethrin | Yes, but not on private message. |
| 12:46.49 | Wethrin | It was sent to the channel |
| 12:47.09 | Wethrin | Leeds_mac: Are they expecting my emails? ;-) |
| 12:47.15 | Tarragon | but we all closed our eyes |
| 12:47.23 | jason_ukfsn | I didn't ;) |
| 12:56.36 | Wethrin | Apparently without prior knowledge of Predicate Logic, the AI lecturer *strongly* discourages going on the AI & Neural Networking course next term |
| 12:58.56 | Wethrin | However, it looks like "Medical Scientific Computing" might be a more useful course - they (according to the syllabus) teach Fourier transforms, convolution theorem, etc. |
| 12:59.34 | Tarragon | Depends whether lecturer is to teach or do research and not answer questions |
| 13:00.15 | Wethrin | Que? |
| 13:01.20 | Wethrin | (bear in mind that I'd quite like to go back towards a more Physicsy-oriented career, so I think some of the mathematics there would help considerably) |
| 13:01.35 | Tarragon | If the lecturer is there to teach then that brings in money. If there to do research then doing any lecturing is taking away from potential money making research |
| 13:02.25 | Wethrin | I'm not entirely sure :) |
| 13:03.26 | Tarragon | Sounds a good course. Why not ask John Hearns as he saw some of the new clusters at Manchester doing this type of new imaging work |
| 13:04.05 | Wethrin | Mmm. |
| 13:04.21 | Wethrin | I'll ask him if he'll be there next Saturday. Will you be there? |
| 13:04.32 | Tarragon | Of course :-) |
| 13:04.39 | Wethrin | Excellent :) |
| 13:04.48 | Wethrin | Coming down for pub tomorrow? |
| 13:04.58 | Tarragon | Just had the car serviced so I can drive down |
| 13:05.10 | Wethrin | Oh good. See you tomorrow, then :) |
| 13:05.18 | Tarragon | Not tomorrow. sorry - need to build a new box |
| 13:05.32 | Wethrin | And you'd skip beer and good company for that!? :) |
| 13:05.55 | Tarragon | It is for my brother, so i don't get a say in the matter |
| 13:06.04 | Wethrin | Ahhh. |
| 13:06.33 | Wethrin | Incidentally, how sick&evil would a USB PPT/PPC reader be? |
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| 13:13.07 | Tarragon | Thought you could already buy them? You mean a printer cable logger? |
| 13:13.18 | Cope | Hi |
| 13:13.32 | Wethrin | Tarragon: Punched Paper (Tape|Card) |
| 13:14.50 | Wethrin | So you have one of those instead of a USB keyring drive |
| 13:15.00 | Tarragon | Silly me - thought you meant PPT - Printer pass Through. You can still by mylar tape but it is expensive. |
| 13:15.13 | pawelsz | . |
| 13:15.15 | Wethrin | Heh :) |
| 13:15.28 | Wethrin | Tarragon: You and your modern ways... |
| 13:18.29 | pawelsz | Wethrin: why system (freebsd), dont want to give me bash to use, i install bash from ports, binary file is in /etc/shells, i put another shell for user, but when I log in I still have csh? |
| 13:18.55 | Wethrin | You need to change their field in /etc/passwd to say that their login shell is /usr/local/bin/bash |
| 13:19.04 | Wethrin | (or get them to run chsh) |
| 13:19.33 | pawelsz | Wethrin: i changing shells via vim in /etc/passwd, anyway. |
| 13:20.06 | Wethrin | Yes - change their login shell to /usr/local/bin/bash; and put /usr/local/bin/bash in /etc/shells |
| 13:20.23 | pawelsz | do you read what i write? |
| 13:20.48 | Wethrin | Yes - isn't that what you were asking? |
| 13:21.01 | pawelsz | 'binary file is in /etc/shelss'. |
| 13:21.06 | Wethrin | Oh. |
| 13:21.09 | Wethrin | It shouldn't be :) |
| 13:21.16 | Wethrin | Ports should install it into /usr/local/bin/bash |
| 13:21.27 | Wethrin | /etc/shells is only a text file which contains a list of valid login shells |
| 13:21.55 | pawelsz | yes, i have bash from /usr/local/bin/bash location in /etc/shells. |
| 13:22.17 | Wethrin | Right... |
| 13:22.30 | pawelsz | i give in /etc/passwd full path to bash /usr/local/bin/bash. |
| 13:22.35 | Wethrin | Right. |
| 13:23.21 | Wethrin | Ah. I'm not sure :-/ |
| 13:24.00 | Wethrin | Anyway, I ought to be off home. Back in a couple of hours |
| 13:24.23 | eye69 | pawelsz: Run 'chsh username' and see what that tells you. |
| 13:26.48 | pawelsz | eye69: ok, I see everything, but.. i dont use this tool before (in linux), freebsd don't read what shells will be used after login? |
| 13:27.06 | pawelsz | from passwd. |
| 13:27.17 | pawelsz | have some other configs? os sth? |
| 13:28.13 | eye69 | It should read it from /etc/passwd |
| 13:28.29 | pawelsz | now it's ok, stupid. |
| 13:30.06 | pawelsz | brb. |
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| 13:35.32 | pawelsz | cool. |
| 13:35.33 | pawelsz | :-) |
| 13:35.42 | pawelsz | but i must read about this. |
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| 14:34.02 | Wethrin | Grmpf. |
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| 14:43.11 | pawelsz | whoa! make world in 18min. |
| 14:43.12 | pawelsz | 8-) |
| 14:43.28 | Clyphox | its make that love the world go round |
| 14:44.24 | pawelsz | last time when i try this, this toke me 4h. :-) |
| 14:44.28 | pawelsz | on p2 266. :-) |
| 14:44.50 | pawelsz | now i done this on p4 2,8. |
| 14:45.09 | Clyphox | makes you kinda feel ill eh? |
| 14:45.24 | Wethrin | :) |
| 14:45.33 | Wethrin | Kids today... |
| 14:45.33 | pawelsz | yeah. 8-) |
| 14:46.15 | Wethrin | I remember when FOR i=1 TO 10000:NEXT i generated a reasonable delay loop |
| 14:46.24 | Wethrin | And was a properly accepted way of doing them :) |
| 14:51.45 | pawelsz | kernel in 1,5m. |
| 14:51.50 | pawelsz | yeah!! |
| 14:51.51 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 14:52.13 | pawelsz | brb. |
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| 14:59.05 | pawelsz | cool. :-) |
| 14:59.40 | Wethrin | hm? |
| 15:00.13 | pawelsz | nothing special, everything works, that's all. :-) |
| 15:00.43 | Wethrin | That's good :) |
| 15:01.18 | pawelsz | exactly. :-) |
| 15:04.28 | Wethrin | :) |
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| 15:09.45 | Wethrin | ETOOMUCHTODO |
| 15:10.28 | jenson | heya Wethrin |
| 15:16.12 | Wethrin | bleh |
| 15:16.31 | jason_ukfsn | Hey jenson |
| 15:16.46 | jenson | heya jason_ukfsn |
| 15:19.42 | Wethrin | Hi Jason |
| 15:19.46 | Wethrin | Are you pubbing tomorrow? |
| 15:19.57 | murble | is there a pub tomorrow? |
| 15:20.07 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 15:20.14 | Wethrin | Read the announcements :) |
| 15:21.32 | jenson | maybe i ought to subscribe the the announce list |
| 15:22.01 | Wethrin | Why? The announcements are sent to the main list too |
| 15:22.20 | Cope | Hello :o) |
| 15:22.35 | jason_ukfsn | Wethrin: I still have my cold so no. Friday's are not generally a very good evening for me anyway. |
| 15:23.15 | jason_ukfsn | murble: I believe there is a pub every day - in fact there are lots of them ;-p |
| 15:23.17 | Wethrin | Strong alcohol is good for colds. :) |
| 15:23.17 | Cope | q is *definitely* pubbing! |
| 15:23.35 | murble | jason_ukfsn: not everywhere, for sintance blackfrida in ireland has no pubs. |
| 15:23.52 | jenson | right, im off, work to do |
| 15:23.54 | jenson | seeya! |
| 15:23.59 | Cope | tra |
| 15:24.11 | jason_ukfsn | Wethrin: the cold is in my lungs and alcohol leads to dehydration which is definitely not good for that. |
| 15:24.24 | Wethrin | Work....yes.....right.... |
| 15:24.28 | jason_ukfsn | Last year I had two bouts of pneumonia so I am being very careful. |
| 15:24.31 | Wethrin | Ah :-/ |
| 15:24.49 | murble | jason_ukfsn: you drink beer then anti anti cold stuff? |
| 15:24.53 | jason_ukfsn | anyway I prefer congnaq to whiskey |
| 15:25.23 | Wethrin | murble: Will you be pubbing tomorrow? |
| 15:25.28 | jason_ukfsn | No murble, if I can avoid it I don't take medication. I'd rather my body uses it's own defences. |
| 15:25.41 | jason_ukfsn | rest is generally the best thing for a cold - particularly in the lungs. |
| 15:25.48 | Wethrin | ETOOMANYAPOSTROPHES |
| 15:26.40 | jason_ukfsn | Wethrin: please allow me to introduce you to Ms Punctuation. She's very eager to make your acquaintance. |
| 15:26.58 | murble | Wethrin: hmm, yeah, then i could deliver my job appliation to UCL by hand. |
| 15:27.09 | Cope | Yay |
| 15:27.22 | Cope | Wethrin: What time is kick off? |
| 15:27.35 | Wethrin | Around 6.30-ish |
| 15:27.40 | Wethrin | I might be there before; I might not |
| 15:27.58 | murble | Wethrin: venue? |
| 15:28.54 | Wethrin | Rising Sun |
| 15:29.03 | Wethrin | (just south of Goodge Street station, on TCR) |
| 15:29.07 | Cope | Not the one in New Orleans. |
| 15:31.07 | Wethrin | It's not a House |
| 15:32.04 | murble | Wethrin: i'll be quite busy on a friday though. |
| 15:34.12 | Wethrin | DYM it'll? |
| 15:36.10 | murble | it'll |
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| 15:42.09 | Wethrin | Right. That was stupid of Freenode. |
| 15:42.16 | Wethrin | murble: What job at UCL are you applying for? |
| 15:42.31 | murble | Wethrin: I'm not because i don't have enough referees |
| 15:43.16 | Wethrin | How many do you need? |
| 15:43.22 | Cope | why not? |
| 15:43.24 | murble | Wethrin: http://jobs.ac.uk/jobfiles/HS248.html |
| 15:43.27 | murble | Wethrin: 3 |
| 15:43.51 | jason_ukfsn | away |
| 15:44.01 | jason_ukfsn | murble: do they all have to be within a specific class? |
| 15:44.22 | jason_ukfsn | Surely one work reference, one from your uni and one personal reference would do? |
| 15:44.26 | Wethrin | Oh, in Chalfont |
| 15:44.30 | murble | jason_ukfsn: it doesn't say. |
| 15:44.36 | murble | Wethrin: yeah cycling distance from home! |
| 15:44.50 | Wethrin | :) |
| 15:46.00 | jason_ukfsn | perhaps you could get a reference from your local LUG and PM? ;) |
| 15:46.24 | Wethrin | "murble is a good beer drinker, with a keen appreciation for proper beer" |
| 15:46.29 | murble | jason_ukfsn: that only works for jobs in the royal household. |
| 15:47.10 | jason_ukfsn | murble: are you sure a personal reference wont fill in the gap? |
| 15:47.30 | jason_ukfsn | Most places will accept one where appropriate (ie you don't have sufficient others) |
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| 19:37.12 | Jenson | hiya stephanb |
| 19:37.20 | Jenson | you're home early arent ya |
| 19:37.40 | stephanb | yeah i finished a Mdk install :-) |
| 19:38.17 | Jenson | i burnt a knoppix disc :) |
| 19:39.11 | Cope | Cool! |
| 19:39.28 | Jenson | yeh lol |
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| 19:43.05 | cozmonort | hello |
| 19:43.05 | stephanb | cozmonort: yo wassup ? |
| 19:43.15 | Jenson | hiya cozmonort |
| 19:43.31 | cozmonort | hi stephanb |
| 19:43.36 | cozmonort | hi Jenson |
| 19:44.02 | cozmonort | stephanb: im ok, planning on quiting my job January though |
| 19:44.42 | stephanb | cozmonort: well i heard they make you work unpaid weekends |
| 19:45.07 | cozmonort | yeah, goota quite, its just gone beyond taking the mick |
| 19:45.28 | cozmonort | arg |
| 19:45.39 | cozmonort | put name when doing /me :P |
| 19:45.46 | Jenson | i think i ought to change my socks |
| 19:46.10 | cozmonort | Jenson: when u say that it must be a good idea :P |
| 19:46.30 | Jenson | yeh |
| 19:46.59 | cozmonort | im gonna have a shower tonight, havent had 1 in 2 days ! |
| 19:47.26 | Jenson | yeh me too |
| 19:49.43 | cozmonort | so stephanb, what u been upto ? |
| 19:52.17 | Jenson | im doing some more listing on ebay |
| 19:53.42 | stephanb | cozmonort: finally sent back this computer to the church with mandrake 9.1 |
| 19:54.23 | cozmonort | cool, erm what computer |
| 19:54.26 | cozmonort | ? |
| 19:54.34 | stephanb | cozmonort: then it's goobye coz them idiots are sacking the minister. he's a bit too modern for them |
| 19:54.38 | Cope | The one that belongs to the church? |
| 19:55.22 | cozmonort | hehe |
| 19:55.37 | stephanb | cozmonort: evesham 500MHz celeron. crashing all the time with WindozeMe |
| 19:56.16 | cozmonort | im guessing that will make u the churchs tech from now on :P |
| 19:56.46 | stephanb | cozmonort: fuck this shit man |
| 19:56.51 | Cope | What *IDIOT* thought it was a good idea to code visited links as cyan on a white background in a list of links where the text is important?? |
| 19:57.22 | stephanb | cozmonort: the caretaker can't put WD40 in the locks |
| 19:57.45 | stephanb | Cope: yellow against white or blue against black are even better |
| 19:57.54 | cozmonort | arg, sounds bad |
| 19:58.27 | stephanb | cozmonort: their problem, their karma |
| 19:58.31 | Cope | Bloody annoying... in a list of FAQs |
| 19:58.45 | stephanb | Cope: cut and paste baby |
| 19:59.11 | Cope | Anyway. back in a bit, tv prog to watch with Sophie; then back to trying to understand email problems. |
| 19:59.22 | Jenson | cozmonort: dont ignore my /msg |
| 19:59.25 | Jenson | cya cozmonort |
| 19:59.28 | Jenson | erm |
| 19:59.31 | Jenson | cya Cope |
| 19:59.32 | Jenson | even |
| 19:59.36 | stephanb | cozmonort: for now, no more organised religion in my life. |
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| 19:59.44 | Jenson | bloody intelligent autocomplete |
| 19:59.46 | Jenson | heya Marios_ |
| 19:59.55 | Marios_ | Hello Jenson |
| 19:59.56 | Jenson | stephanb: nah, go worship ya girlfriend |
| 20:00.18 | stephanb | Jenson: sorry mate, that's *practice*, not *worship* |
| 20:00.39 | Jenson | cozmonort: which word would you use |
| 20:01.11 | Marios_ | hey guys...I need some help here....are there gonna be any good places for Christmas day in London to go ? |
| 20:01.13 | cozmonort | erm, depends :P |
| 20:01.30 | stephanb | i don't think you can/should worship a living entity, however enlightened |
| 20:01.56 | stephanb | but that's probably a leftover of my jewish background |
| 20:02.32 | Jenson | i dont believe in god, but cozmonort seems real to me lol |
| 20:03.14 | stephanb | Jenson: well do you worship him ? pray to him, light candles to his name, ask for salvation ? |
| 20:03.26 | cozmonort | Jenson: lol |
| 20:03.45 | Jenson | stephanb: ask for salvation.....erm that depends :P |
| 20:04.30 | stephanb | anyway, i'm gonna swicth to movie mode |
| 20:05.36 | pawelsz | http://www.panoramtech.com/products/pv230_specs.html |
| 20:06.25 | cozmonort | pawelsz: eww sweet |
| 20:06.37 | JD | hi all |
| 20:06.55 | cozmonort | hello |
| 20:07.01 | Jenson | yeh thats hot |
| 20:07.01 | pawelsz | cozmonort: i know. :-) |
| 20:07.03 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 20:07.45 | stephanb | pawelsz: looks like a display for industrial control rooms, monitoring, broadcasting... |
| 20:08.32 | pawelsz | stephanb: dvd-room.. 8-) |
| 20:08.38 | stephanb | you need a triple head video card like a Matrox parhelia |
| 20:09.01 | pawelsz | one panel for logs, one panel for movie, one for browser. |
| 20:09.14 | stephanb | pawelsz: don't think so, i don't want to see 2 strips in the middle of the picture |
| 20:09.37 | stephanb | and the format is only suitable for apocalypse now and thelma&louise |
| 20:10.42 | stephanb | speaking of which, i am going to watch thelma&louise. |
| 20:10.47 | stephanb | bye everybody ! |
| 20:12.49 | cozmonort | cya |
| 20:13.01 | stephanb | cozmonort: cya |
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| 20:22.46 | Jenson | wb |
| 20:23.10 | stephen | bleh, buggered my irssi config by manually editing it |
| 20:23.49 | cozmonort | wb |
| 20:43.58 | Clyphox | Any recomendations on how to grab a screenshot of mplayer? |
| 20:44.33 | Jenson | GIMP |
| 20:44.41 | Jenson | or that screen capture progaram |
| 20:45.08 | Jenson | KSnapShot |
| 20:45.47 | Clyphox | taking a screenshot isn't exactly hard.. |
| 20:45.58 | Jenson | well yeh |
| 20:46.01 | Jenson | but you did ask |
| 20:46.06 | Clyphox | taking a screenshot of mplayer can be.. cause its accesses the upper memory of the card |
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| 21:03.56 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.40 | Cope | Anyone !idle? |
| 21:13.20 | Jenson | Cope: i think they're all asleep |
| 21:13.46 | Jenson | i noticed |
| 21:13.55 | Cope | ;-) |
| 21:14.04 | Jenson | good job cozmonort isnt here, he whinges about such things |
| 21:16.10 | stephen | evening Cope, Jenson |
| 21:16.17 | Cope | Ah! |
| 21:19.01 | Jenson | hiya stephen |
| 21:19.12 | stephen | hullo |
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| 21:59.18 | JD | even if I am 50 minutes late |
| 22:01.59 | Cope | Hi JD |
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| 22:03.55 | cozmonort | hi again |
| 22:13.45 | Cope | I find this really frustrating! On some systems email just works, and on others it never works, and I can't see the difference. |
| 22:14.26 | cozmonort | computers a teparamental |
| 22:14.36 | cozmonort | arg cant spell ! |
| 22:15.19 | stephen | so are the people that use them :) |
| 22:15.26 | Cope | The documentation is very tricky too; I have never seen anything that helps someone to troubleshoot mail systems step-by-step |
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| 22:52.59 | gregj | :] |
| 22:54.12 | Jenson | hi gregj |
| 22:58.41 | gregj | hi Jenson |
| 22:59.28 | mozrat | Cope: Hi, whats the problem with the mail??? |
| 22:59.59 | Jenson | hi mozrat |
| 23:00.09 | mozrat | Howdy |
| 23:00.20 | Cope | Um... just cant send mails! Just keep getting delayed; |
| 23:00.40 | mozrat | On your own mail server, or are you using a ISPs |
| 23:00.47 | Cope | On my own |
| 23:00.55 | mozrat | What are you using? |
| 23:01.02 | Cope | sendmail |
| 23:01.40 | Jenson | right, im off to bed, listing on ebay has got boring and watching it isnt gonna make things sell |
| 23:01.43 | Jenson | night guys |
| 23:02.00 | mozrat | Ummm, more of a postfix myself. What do the mail logs in /var/log say |
| 23:02.25 | Cope | mozrat That localhost is not being accepted. |
| 23:02.43 | mozrat | so if you run the following commands what do you get |
| 23:02.48 | mozrat | telnet localhost 25 |
| 23:02.53 | mozrat | helo test@test.xxx |
| 23:02.54 | Cope | Works fine |
| 23:02.59 | Cope | I can dop it with raw smtp |
| 23:03.29 | mozrat | What is the line out of mail.log that you mean?? |
| 23:04.32 | Cope | stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [12 |
| 23:04.32 | Cope | 7.0.0.1] |
| 23:05.18 | mozrat | Although when you connect via telnet it works ??!?! |
| 23:05.47 | Cope | Yep. |
| 23:05.53 | Jenson | http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=linuxgeekgirl |
| 23:06.00 | Jenson | seeya! |
| 23:06.07 | Cope | Jenson: how did that help? |
| 23:06.17 | Jenson|Away | lol it didnt |
| 23:06.47 | Jenson|Away | i cant hel[ you with mailservers, i just use my ISPs mail |
| 23:07.13 | Jenson|Away | anyway, good luck with the mailserver and good luck with the soon arriving little one |
| 23:07.16 | mozrat | Cope: I think this is Sendmail trying to forward a mail onto the destination host. What was the mail address you were trying to sent to? |
| 23:07.41 | Cope | mozrat: hui_1@yahoo.com |
| 23:08.58 | mozrat | How is your DNS on that machine (known to work??) |
| 23:10.11 | Cope | mozrat: I'm using demon dns serves; fine. |
| 23:11.34 | Cope | ok - gimme 2 tics; |
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| 23:15.35 | Cope | Boo |
| 23:16.08 | mozrat | AAhhh |
| 23:16.41 | mozrat | http://tinyurl.com/wtuw |
| 23:17.01 | mozrat | Are you really sold on Sendmail -- for a quick and easy life there are other MTAs with easier configs |
| 23:17.50 | gregj | postfix i.e |
| 23:17.53 | mozrat | Apparently something to do with the way you are running Sendmail -- you need to change your IP address in the FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]')dnl line |
| 23:18.22 | mozrat | Well Postfix is OK, the config is easy, but there is a wide choice - exim, qmail etc |
| 23:18.23 | Cope | mozrat: I'm not, but its all I know, and I figure better to know one thing well (it is used a lot in industry) than several things less well. |
| 23:18.42 | gregj | qmail is not MTA |
| 23:18.58 | mozrat | Ummm, what am I thinking of then??? |
| 23:19.14 | Cope | gregj: qmail is surely an MTA |
| 23:19.22 | gregj | yeah... |
| 23:19.27 | gregj | but don't start with it |
| 23:19.28 | gregj | ;] |
| 23:19.34 | gregj | you will have only problems |
| 23:19.42 | mozrat | I'm not trying to push you off Sendmail, I'm just suggesting its a tough one to learn |
| 23:19.44 | Cope | Dan Bernsteins, a bit odd, !RFC compliant, I hear. |
| 23:19.50 | gregj | it doesn't do anything beside moving mails from socket to fs ;] |
| 23:19.55 | Cope | mozrat: nods. |
| 23:19.55 | gregj | well, almost |
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| 23:21.00 | Cope | Hey new2unix |
| 23:21.10 | new2unix | hi Cope |
| 23:21.16 | new2unix | hi all :) |
| 23:21.20 | mozrat | Hey |
| 23:21.22 | Clyphox | Hoi |
| 23:21.37 | Cope | Hey Clyphox |
| 23:23.23 | Clyphox | howzit :-) ? |
| 23:23.25 | Cope | Ok - got it working now, at last. |
| 23:23.34 | Clyphox | wo dat? |
| 23:23.51 | mozrat | cool |
| 23:23.52 | Cope | All to do with having the right relationship between /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 23:25.37 | mozrat | which distro are you using, cope |
| 23:27.05 | Cope | debian atm |
| 23:29.27 | Cope | For what reason? |
| 23:30.42 | mozrat | apt -- there probably is something as good in slackware but I never discovered it |
| 23:31.09 | mozrat | See you all later! |
| 23:33.19 | Cope | If there was a slackware that was not bsd-style in its init and run-levels etc, that would be perfect. |
| 23:33.46 | Cope | From my gut feeling, apt is a 2-edged sword. |
| 23:34.24 | Cope | And I'm not sure I like the idea of closing my eyes, become root, and install a binary. |
| 23:34.56 | Cope | I think Gentoo may be the way of truth... |
| 23:37.28 | Clyphox | yeah |
| 23:37.52 | Clyphox | was thinking about integratings netbsd scripts and pkgsrc into a linux kernel/userland. |
| 23:38.07 | Clyphox | but a: pointless and b: don't wanna degrade netbsd |
| 23:38.11 | new2unix | there is no true way. |
| 23:38.16 | Clyphox | and mainly c: lazy |
| 23:39.17 | Cope | clyphox: have a look at yoper |
| 23:39.32 | Clyphox | wasn'y that hurd? |
| 23:39.34 | new2unix | all OS's (and linux distros) have their quirks. the more you spend with one the better you become in not noticing them |
| 23:40.16 | Cope | new2unix: Its very very true; I *always* come back to Slackware, and wonder why I ever flirted elsewhere. Just because its what I know. |
| 23:41.44 | Cope | clyphox: I don't think so... its a mixture. www.yoper.com |
| 23:43.00 | Clyphox | ohh wow.. kde screen shots |
| 23:44.34 | Cope | </sarcasm> ? |
| 23:44.40 | Clyphox | yes |
| 23:44.52 | new2unix | recently replaced debian with Slackware here. was an almost perfect untill i installed Swaret and tried upgrading to Current. Gnome broke. Went back to Debian two days later. |
| 23:44.57 | new2unix | The laptop was running NetBSD untill i installed Slackware on it too. I also tried upgrading to Current via Swaret. It too broke gnome. (about the same time as the desktop) Fortunately i was able to fix it. Slack is almost as clean as NetBSD. |
| 23:45.36 | Cope | What is Swaret? |
| 23:46.23 | new2unix | its a script similar to apt-get but written for Slackware. |
| 23:46.34 | Cope | The best way of upgrading to current is to follow Pat's instructions in the text file. I've never had any problems at all. |
| 23:46.38 | new2unix | sudo swaret --install gnome |
| 23:46.51 | new2unix | sudo swaret --update |
| 23:46.54 | new2unix | etc |
| 23:46.55 | Clyphox | problem with slack is simple package managment |
| 23:47.09 | Clyphox | clean and great.. but binaries < source really |
| 23:47.24 | Clyphox | thus I use netbsd pkgsrc and gentoo noew |
| 23:47.28 | Cope | Clyphox: sed contra, advantage with slackware is simple packagement? |
| 23:47.42 | Clyphox | not for a desktop tho |
| 23:47.46 | Clyphox | and upgrades |
| 23:47.54 | Clyphox | but I agree.. nice small profile |
| 23:48.10 | Clyphox | netbsd/openbsd for my servers now |
| 23:48.21 | Clyphox | and pkgsrc/slackware if I need linux |
| 23:48.35 | Clyphox | cause slackware owns |
| 23:48.41 | Clyphox | as does pkgsrc :-) |
| 23:48.46 | Clyphox | <-bigot |
| 23:48.46 | Cope | clyphox: Yes, the problem with so many distros now is the desire to keep them up-to-date easily. I think gentoo has that sussed. |
| 23:49.07 | Clyphox | indeed..thats why pkgsrc for slack |
| 23:49.33 | Clyphox | pkgsrc on linux isn't ready for the desktop.. but daemons. (apache/mod/samba/etc) is great |
| 23:49.42 | Clyphox | and easy to manage/update |
| 23:49.55 | Cope | clyphox: ideal |
| 23:50.05 | Clyphox | plus it would really confuse any hackers when they hit /usr/pkg |
| 23:50.06 | Cope | But why not just use gentoo? |
| 23:50.17 | new2unix | wasnt aware of a pkgsrc for slack. i guess its updated via cvs? |
| 23:50.18 | Clyphox | cause gentoo likes compiling qt just to install cups |
| 23:50.19 | Cope | Only reason I can see is that its not as stable? |
| 23:50.29 | Clyphox | and I can't even run samba without cups |
| 23:50.33 | Clyphox | and I like lpr |
| 23:50.35 | Clyphox | etc..etc.. |
| 23:51.15 | Clyphox | no reason to have X so I refuse to have to build it.. I'm just stubborn to I suppose |
| 23:51.50 | Cope | Anyway, I'm going to stick with debian for a good while; and do some from-scratch projects for fun/education. |