| 00:00.33 | highbury | however to be fair I suspect I was sold some very dodgy credit card cdr's I would have hoped for higher capacity |
| 00:01.10 | Cope | Indeed. |
| 00:03.18 | highbury | the latest BBC build is 64Mb |
| 00:04.57 | Cope | When I had a bbc I bought it pre-recorded. |
| 00:05.22 | Cope | I don't know where to get credit card cdr's. |
| 00:15.10 | highbury | we had to disassemble the drive to retrieve the destroyed card :-( |
| 00:15.44 | highbury | ok, can anybody help me with configuring spamassassin with kmail? |
| 00:17.49 | Cope | What are you trying to do? |
| 00:18.14 | Leeds | does kmail actually get your mail from the server? and which server? |
| 00:18.48 | highbury | well, my distro has both spamassassing and kmail installed. I currently use kmail to retrieve mail from various pop-3 servers |
| 00:19.00 | Marios_ | leeds << how was the dinner? |
| 00:19.14 | highbury | I presumably need something else to retrieve the files? fetchmail? |
| 00:19.38 | Leeds | Marios_: nice :-) |
| 00:19.43 | Marios_ | cool |
| 00:19.52 | Leeds | highbury: traditionally, you might run SA on the server... |
| 00:19.55 | Marios_ | me I stacked here with the Linux sound system |
| 00:20.02 | Leeds | stacked? |
| 00:20.05 | Leeds | stuck? |
| 00:20.11 | Cope | fetchmail - mta - procmail | spamd >> mbox ? |
| 00:20.14 | Marios_ | yeah |
| 00:20.18 | Marios_ | with Real Player |
| 00:20.34 | Leeds | Cope: yeah, something like that |
| 00:20.41 | highbury | cope: ulp! |
| 00:21.25 | highbury | why do I need procmail? (I do lost of filtering within kmail) |
| 00:21.30 | highbury | s/lost/lots |
| 00:21.46 | Leeds | highbury: one important point is that all SA does is *tag* spam - you need something else to process it - kmail should be able to do that... |
| 00:22.21 | Leeds | where process = filter on |
| 00:22.34 | Cope | I thought one would use procmail because you can set procmailrc to pipe mails through spamd as spamassasin looks at thw whole message? |
| 00:22.43 | Leeds | Cope: right |
| 00:23.02 | Leeds | but you can still use kmail to do most filtering, if you've already got that setup |
| 00:24.28 | Cope | Doesn't kmail filter only using headers? |
| 00:25.16 | Leeds | like I'd know :-) But SA does put tags in the headers... |
| 00:25.22 | Cope | Ah ok |
| 00:28.14 | Cope | highbury: So, fetchmail from pop server, to postfix (SuSE right?), to procmail, through SA, tagging the headers. |
| 00:29.57 | Cope | Maybe then just use standard filters with kmail? |
| 00:30.23 | Leeds | or possibly miss the postfix step and just have procmail do the delivery? |
| 00:30.45 | highbury | can't I skip procmail? |
| 00:31.07 | Leeds | highbury: how are you going to insert SA in the pipeline then? and what's wrong with procmail anyway? :-) |
| 00:32.23 | Cope | If you give procmail no rules, the mails will will just end up in /var/spool anyway, kmail can be used to do all the filtering. |
| 00:37.01 | Cope | highbury: http://kmail.kde.org/tools.html - halfway down, there are instructions for SA&KMAIL&!Procmail |
| 00:38.53 | Leeds | ah, okay... kmail does external filters... |
| 00:39.35 | Leeds | highbury: note that if you have a lot of mail to filter you need to use spamc/spamd rather than spamassassin directly |
| 00:45.47 | highbury | if that's the article cope meant |
| 00:46.31 | Cope | Ah... I meant the 5 line description for how to set up kmail and SA actually on the page. |
| 00:52.58 | highbury | LOL |
| 00:56.03 | Clyphox | bed time was 4 hrs ago.. nn all |
| 00:56.16 | Leeds | night |
| 00:56.28 | Cope | Night night. |
| 00:57.51 | highbury | oook, thanks guys |
| 00:57.58 | Cope | Winning? |
| 00:58.05 | highbury | I just caught my first sliver of spam |
| 00:58.11 | Cope | Yay! |
| 00:58.16 | highbury | :-) |
| 00:58.36 | Leeds | are you training it? |
| 00:58.50 | Clyphox | Thunderbird has a kewl spam catching system |
| 00:58.58 | highbury | Now I know I'm on the right track, I can better understand what I'm doing |
| 00:59.02 | Clyphox | not exactly an MDA tho |
| 00:59.27 | Leeds | OTE? |
| 00:59.38 | Clyphox|zZzZ | i'll take the job,, |
| 00:59.46 | Cope | On-Target_Earnings - 20K basic + 25K Bonus |
| 00:59.48 | Clyphox|zZzZ | (its not windoze work is it)? |
| 00:59.52 | Leeds | ah |
| 00:59.54 | Clyphox|zZzZ | sales? |
| 00:59.56 | Cope | Nope... sales. |
| 01:00.01 | Clyphox|zZzZ | no thanks |
| 01:00.06 | Cope | Ditto |
| 01:00.18 | Leeds | argh |
| 01:00.56 | Cope | Tough call; stay on the dole for months looking for a job I want to do, or get a job that means I can afford to live. |
| 01:01.17 | Cope | Live to work or work to live, I guess? |
| 01:01.28 | Leeds | need to find something in the middle, I think |
| 01:02.52 | highbury | its a tough time too |
| 01:03.42 | Cope | Yeah, horrid time to be out of work both personally and economically. |
| 01:08.45 | highbury | Cope, have you signed on? Informed Council, etc |
| 01:08.59 | Cope | Otherwise I'd be screwed! |
| 01:10.04 | highbury | Do you have a Limited Company, have you worked as a contractor? |
| 01:10.25 | Cope | Not officially; ie not declared earnings for tax. |
| 01:11.14 | Cope | Was paid in benefits (flat, electricity) and cash. |
| 01:11.54 | highbury | ahh... that's where I'm having more fun. As I'm a director of a company |
| 01:13.07 | Cope | How does that work? |
| 01:24.11 | highbury | nn peeps |
| 01:24.16 | Cope | nn |
| 01:24.21 | new2unix | night highbury |
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| 01:30.36 | formi | allo |
| 01:30.41 | formi | non sleepers |
| 01:30.59 | Leeds | oui sleepers! |
| 01:31.54 | formi | my new gadget seems to be more responsive than my thinkpad |
| 01:32.14 | Leeds | good :-) |
| 01:32.23 | formi | i don't what to blame |
| 01:32.34 | formi | hardware or software |
| 01:33.05 | formi | although I guess gcc 3.3 has something to with it |
| 01:33.16 | formi | s/to/to do |
| 01:34.07 | formi | Leeds, seen the pics new2unix took? |
| 01:34.56 | Leeds | yup |
| 01:35.33 | formi | you came up all wrong, when wearing the hard hat |
| 01:36.34 | Leeds | yes |
| 01:37.13 | formi | a very odd joke was forming in my head, shall not say those things in public |
| 01:37.57 | Leeds | anything to do with replacing my missing bit? |
| 01:38.15 | formi | head on |
| 01:38.20 | formi | :-> |
| 01:38.53 | formi | missing? like gone walkabout? |
| 01:40.43 | formi | Cope, thats the problem of being a debiante |
| 01:41.04 | Cope | formi: In what way? |
| 01:41.28 | formi | you wanna get into in argument? hah? |
| 01:42.00 | Cope | Nope :o) I just wondered what you meant. |
| 01:42.42 | formi | debiante, is a spanish word, well if you change the b for an v |
| 01:43.01 | Leeds | hah |
| 01:43.28 | formi | it means something like somebody who goes around without clear destiny |
| 01:43.55 | formi | or it could be had as somebody who does something with ill intent |
| 01:44.00 | Cope | I just get pissed off with people who say: So what if $thing is hard to use, I don't care if people do or don't use linux. |
| 01:44.06 | Cope | I -do- care, a lot. |
| 01:44.29 | formi | me neither they can burn in m$ hell |
| 01:44.57 | Cope | Why do I care? |
| 01:46.04 | Cope | Why should I, for want of a better word, evangelise on behalf of the linux community? |
| 01:46.32 | Cope | Maybe I should just get on with my own business and help those who do appear. |
| 01:46.51 | Cope | Sorry guys, just thinking aloud. |
| 01:47.50 | Leeds | Cope: three reasons, off the top of my head: |
| 01:48.01 | formi | Memory: 93248k/98240k available (1508k kernel code, 4604k reserved, -1961k data, 156k init, 0k highmem, 0k BadRAM) |
| 01:48.12 | Leeds | Having more people using Linux simply makes the world an easier place for us |
| 01:48.37 | Leeds | We, generally, don't like Microsoft or their products... so more of us and less of them is good |
| 01:49.00 | formi | that last 0k BadRam, is it for real, or is it just in case you provide a list of "bad ram" addresses? |
| 01:49.54 | Leeds | For largely altrustic reasons - and this is where it becomes evangelism - we think that Linux is better than windows, and we therefore want more people to be in the 'better software' camp |
| 01:50.32 | formi | Leeds, me got offered a semi-job fixing m$$ |
| 01:50.51 | formi | it seems there are too many desperete home users |
| 01:51.12 | Leeds | yes... I couldn't do that job |
| 01:51.34 | formi | m$ is a me$$ |
| 01:51.49 | formi | profitable one, nevertheless? |
| 01:55.05 | Leeds | I've been doing it on and off for years for family members... I couldn't do it full-time |
| 01:55.37 | formi | night |
| 01:56.53 | formi | night everybody |
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| 01:57.04 | Cope | nn |
| 02:28.26 | Cope | Night all. |
| 02:30.33 | Marios_ | bye |
| 02:35.36 | new2unix | nn Cope |
| 03:23.07 | new2unix | "life is neither a Midsummer Night's Dream nor a Tempest, it's simply a Comedy Of Errors, to be lived As You Like It." Isnt that simply beautiful? |
| 03:24.02 | Marios_ | I like the comedy of errors :) |
| 03:32.31 | new2unix | i love words. wish i studied philosophy at school or had the time to read up on it before now :) |
| 03:48.50 | Marios_ | you can still go and study :) |
| 03:49.21 | new2unix | too much on my plate at the moment, but yeah i guess i could |
| 03:49.29 | Marios_ | heheheh |
| 03:49.36 | Marios_ | what do you do for living? |
| 06:01.32 | new2unix | moin all |
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| 07:54.35 | zachary | moin Paul |
| 08:09.10 | nasrat | hi zach |
| 08:13.07 | zachary | house is a bit cold this morning. I had to turn a few computer on. This solution is not going to work too well when I replace my tower (PIII 600Mhz) with a mini-itx. |
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| 08:41.11 | zachary | moin Leeds |
| 08:41.14 | Leeds | hey |
| 08:44.46 | Jenson|Away | moin Clyphox |
| 08:47.44 | Clyphox | re |
| 08:51.13 | Jenson|Away | are you going out this morning? |
| 08:54.06 | Clyphox | don't think so.. I'm not too well atm |
| 08:54.15 | Clyphox | afk |
| 08:56.08 | highbury | morning |
| 08:56.23 | highbury | yawn |
| 08:56.30 | highbury | gg |
| 08:58.59 | zachary | moin highbury |
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| 09:38.20 | Xiaoqi | goodmorning |
| 09:38.39 | Wethrin | morn |
| 09:38.47 | zachary | moin |
| 09:38.53 | Xiaoqi | hows everyone today? |
| 09:39.10 | Wethrin | Got too much work |
| 09:39.19 | Wethrin | Piece of crap Java exercises *mutter* |
| 09:39.44 | Wethrin | Utterly utterly pointless |
| 09:39.54 | Xiaoqi | ah |
| 09:39.58 | Xiaoqi | not much fun |
| 09:40.00 | Wethrin | No |
| 09:40.10 | Wethrin | Utterly shit, are the words you're looking for. |
| 09:40.17 | Wethrin | I wouldn't mind if it was an *interesting* problem |
| 09:40.42 | Xiaoqi | i am guessing it is so far below your level that you could do it in your sleep if it wasn't so time consuming? |
| 09:40.49 | Wethrin | Pretty much, yes. |
| 09:40.58 | Wethrin | They've had far more interesting problems in the previous weeks |
| 09:43.36 | Xiaoqi | well, you just have to hope that this is just a dip and they will get back to being interesting as soon as possible |
| 09:43.44 | Wethrin | It's the last problem set |
| 09:43.52 | Xiaoqi | or else you could train a monkey to do your assignments for you? |
| 09:44.01 | Xiaoqi | training the monkey might be more interesting |
| 09:44.05 | Wethrin | yep |
| 09:46.18 | zachary | Xiaoqi: Would that be WinXP users? |
| 09:47.34 | Xiaoqi | lol |
| 09:47.43 | Xiaoqi | but they wouldn't kow how to program anything! |
| 09:47.51 | Xiaoqi | and may be untrainable |
| 09:51.34 | Wethrin | yep |
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| 10:28.50 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 10:29.17 | Wethrin | 'lo |
| 10:30.18 | Leeds | hey jason_ukfsn |
| 10:31.54 | Xiaoqi | hiya |
| 10:36.17 | Leeds | so is it crass to mention hobbits in a mail to a list asking a question about New Zealand? |
| 10:36.31 | Wethrin | Nah |
| 10:36.46 | Xiaoqi | :) |
| 10:40.02 | Leeds | just checking :-) |
| 10:43.07 | Wethrin | c'ya |
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| 10:59.18 | Wethrin | Lecturetime |
| 10:59.21 | Xiaoqi | oh well, i am off to university now... |
| 10:59.26 | Xiaoqi | lol |
| 10:59.32 | Xiaoqi | cya |
| 11:05.04 | highbury | so after I've got spamassassin rating all my emails, should I then strip of the spam headers to conserve space, or is that just getting picky |
| 11:06.46 | mozrat | Hmmm, Disk space is cheap.... CPU cycles are normally limited (unless you have a decent CPU)... I'd say not |
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| 11:08.29 | Leeds | agk: ah, so Leeds it is? :-) |
| 11:13.03 | highbury | so in summary, so far, configuring kmail to use spamassassin is easy, just add two extra kmail filter rules, and it works! :-) |
| 11:13.48 | Leeds | good! |
| 11:14.05 | highbury | no fetchmail and no procmail needed! |
| 11:15.51 | Leeds | I like procmail :-) |
| 11:18.52 | eye69 | I'm going to try Cyrus/Sieve on my next mailserver |
| 11:29.27 | Cope | Hello |
| 11:29.37 | mozrat | hello mr cope |
| 11:29.50 | Cope | Hello old chap! |
| 11:30.30 | mozrat | Will you be in the paddington area anytime this week? I have some small person clothes for you |
| 11:30.54 | Cope | I can arrange to be... I have some beer for you. |
| 11:31.29 | mozrat | In fact I have about 3 bloody bags full. How is your good lady this morning? |
| 11:32.07 | Cope | mozrat: Sophie says she is very well thank you, but is sore everywhere, so she expects baby will come soon. |
| 11:32.21 | Cope | mozrat: Sophie also says that Tanya is very kind. :o) |
| 11:32.23 | mozrat | Yikes.... |
| 11:32.39 | mozrat | Your both welcome... You'll be passing it all on in a few years or so. |
| 11:33.23 | Cope | We just packed up our bags in preparation for the event; better to be ready, I think! |
| 11:35.34 | mozrat | I'll bring the bags in on Tuesday and Wednesday, so you can pick them up whenever is good for you Wednesday onwards. |
| 11:35.45 | mozrat | Assuming the baby hasn't come by then :-) |
| 11:37.21 | Leeds | vaguely reminds me of being under rocket attack in Israel... comments about getting the bags ready (to go to the bomb shelter in our case) and never knowing when the call will come... |
| 11:37.51 | mozrat | But which is more stressful |
| 11:38.06 | Leeds | um, baby I think :-) |
| 11:38.20 | Leeds | plus the stress lasts a lot longer... |
| 11:38.49 | mozrat | about 22 years to be precise |
| 11:39.27 | Leeds | at least! |
| 11:42.48 | zachary | 21 5/6 years to go! |
| 11:45.06 | mozrat | See you all later |
| 11:47.21 | Leeds | go West, young man! |
| 11:51.46 | Leeds | slow because of the season? |
| 11:52.45 | Cope | Slow because in a race between an octaganarian snail and Hui, the snail would win by some margin. |
| 11:53.09 | Cope | Hui == Sophie btw |
| 11:54.24 | Leeds | ah, okay :-) was wondering if you were taking her along, or leaving her in the expert care of someone like a mother... |
| 11:54.51 | Cope | That would be glorious, but my Mother is far away, and hers is even further! |
| 11:56.30 | Leeds | oh well |
| 11:57.14 | jason_ukfsn | no Wethrin, I'm feeling quite OK this morning ;) |
| 11:57.16 | jason_ukfsn | I'm happy because I've managed to get a deal to reduce the price for IPStream based 1Mb home ADSL to an affordable level so I'll be able to offer 1Mb to anyone who can get it. (up to now it's been DataStream only) |
| 11:57.19 | jason_ukfsn | no Leeds - except where you are also asking about sheep ;) |
| 11:57.21 | jason_ukfsn | I'm sure hobbits were the result of elfs being a little too familiar with sheep |
| 11:58.26 | Leeds | whoa, major jason-lag there :-) |
| 11:59.26 | Leeds | bah, DataStream bad |
| 12:06.00 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: is that just me or others? I'm not on DataStream here. |
| 12:06.12 | Leeds | ? |
| 12:06.33 | Leeds | I'm on DataStream from Bulldog and while it works fine - it gets heavily congested |
| 12:06.34 | jason_ukfsn | I presume you were refering to me as "jason-lag" |
| 12:06.48 | Leeds | yes, two separate comments :-) |
| 12:06.59 | jason_ukfsn | Ah. I read them together. |
| 12:07.45 | Leeds | why the fsck are people trying to sell me *colon cleaner* by spam??? |
| 12:08.15 | jason_ukfsn | they think you have a dirty keyboard? |
| 12:08.28 | nasrat | and think you use vi |
| 12:08.29 | Leeds | not so much that sort of colon, I'm thinking... |
| 12:09.39 | jason_ukfsn | anyway - how else do you want themtosell you colon cleaner? |
| 12:09.43 | Leeds | not so nice to laugh at non-English speakers, but "winCE in my ipaq is empty! With opie, my ipaq is born another time!" is great :-) |
| 12:10.42 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: tasteful TV ads like the ones Pele does? |
| 12:11.10 | jason_ukfsn | Hmm, visions of Pele demonstrating colon cleanser - perhaps not ;) |
| 12:29.26 | highbury | can I tell whether somebody's signed on to irc, if they are not visible on a channel? |
| 12:29.37 | Jenson|Away | yeh |
| 12:29.49 | Jenson|Away | you must stuill be able to whois on them |
| 12:29.56 | Jenson|Away | unless they are in invisible mode i guess |
| 12:31.57 | zachary | NickServ info |
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| 12:34.55 | highbury | tx |
| 12:49.38 | sparrowd | I am looking for a linux that'll fit in under 150M (ext2/3) that just needs me to edit bootloader/fstab and has pcmcia support/ssh (client) |
| 12:49.41 | sparrowd | any ideas? |
| 12:50.02 | sparrowd | NickServ info |
| 12:50.06 | sparrowd | doh |
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| 12:51.54 | formi | for better or worse, Im back |
| 12:53.11 | sparrowd | formi : you suggest a cutdown linux? ideally < 150M |
| 12:53.22 | formi | just curious, any mdk ueser around here? |
| 12:53.36 | formi | slack probably |
| 12:53.47 | Jenson|Away | yeh |
| 12:53.48 | Jenson|Away | mdk |
| 12:53.49 | Jenson|Away | me |
| 12:54.01 | formi | there are a few knoppix based ones that aim to be tiny |
| 12:54.19 | sparrowd | tried zipslack, but it complains about not being able to open console |
| 12:54.35 | Jenson|Away | lol |
| 12:54.37 | sparrowd | formi : me about 3 yrs ago |
| 12:55.36 | formi | Jenson|Away, do a ls -alh /usr/share | grep doc |
| 12:56.14 | formi | sparrowd, distrowatch.xxx |
| 12:56.34 | new2unix | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jan 1 2001 doc -> ../doc/ |
| 12:56.34 | new2unix | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Sep 10 11:45 gtk-doc/ |
| 12:56.45 | new2unix | formi, ? |
| 12:57.03 | new2unix | formi, slack |
| 12:57.18 | new2unix | hi guys :D |
| 12:57.25 | formi | me wondering why mdk 9.1 has /usr/share/doc owned by rpm.rpm |
| 12:57.30 | Jenson|Away | formi: i would, only im not at home, so i only have acces to RH and gentoo |
| 12:58.04 | formi | Jenson|Away, thanks anyways |
| 13:02.11 | formi | I've never seen so many idiots together on telly in this country |
| 13:03.36 | zachary | brb |
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| 13:09.21 | jason_ukfsn | Wahoo! Anaconda for Debian has been released. |
| 13:09.46 | stephen | what's anaconda? |
| 13:09.51 | formi | jason_ukfsn, is that good? |
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| 13:10.49 | formi | wasn't it a graphical front-end thingie for the boot sequence? |
| 13:11.08 | stephen | ibot: google anaconda linux |
| 13:11.46 | jason_ukfsn | anaconda is the Red Hat installer. |
| 13:12.03 | jason_ukfsn | Having it available for Debian means that there is a choice for those who want to be able to setup RAID etc as part of the install process. |
| 13:12.30 | jason_ukfsn | looking through the errata it looks like this release isn't totally finished however it looks like all the important bits are there. |
| 13:12.46 | jason_ukfsn | I'm downloading the ISOs of Sarge with anaconda right now to test them |
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| 13:23.06 | JD | agk: ping |
| 13:23.18 | JD | agk: where are you looking in Leeds? |
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| 13:49.03 | murble | moin |
| 13:51.54 | JD | hi |
| 14:08.56 | agk | JD: so far just the (proper) university |
| 14:09.41 | agk | but struggling to find anywhere suitable |
| 14:10.09 | agk | I'm still not convinced it can be in Leeds. |
| 14:11.13 | agk | the problem is all the places we've been offered in the university so far involve walking between different bits |
| 14:11.24 | agk | none of them have exhibition next to main lecture theatre for example |
| 14:11.53 | agk | which means people will just spread out all over the place and the exhibitors will not be pleased |
| 14:13.04 | agk | which will mean we struggle for sponsors the following year |
| 14:14.06 | Leeds | hmm... and I should try to do something about that too... |
| 14:14.50 | agk | and the only suitable dates Leeds Univ can offer us are the same as this year - end July/start August |
| 14:14.59 | agk | which means AMD won't sponsor us |
| 14:15.10 | Leeds | my old school (in a new location) would make a good site, but a) it's on the edge of town and b) no lodgings |
| 14:15.15 | Leeds | AMD don't like the summer? |
| 14:15.22 | agk | not the start of August |
| 14:15.32 | agk | that's when their holidays are |
| 14:15.36 | Leeds | ah |
| 14:15.39 | agk | don't do exhibitions then |
| 14:15.55 | Leeds | didn't think they were French :-) |
| 14:16.43 | Leeds | you know the school? :-) |
| 14:16.52 | JD | agk: the problem with Leeds is that the only real lecture block is seperate form everything else |
| 14:17.25 | agk | Oh it's miles out now. |
| 14:17.37 | agk | (I visited it at its old site) |
| 14:17.48 | JD | the Leeds lecture thetres are in the tall building with the pond next to it |
| 14:18.09 | Leeds | agk: in fact, it's 10 minutes walk from my parents' place now :-) |
| 14:18.12 | JD | there are two other theatres, but they are massive |
| 14:18.18 | agk | yes, so people would get lost between there and wherever we serve coffee etc. |
| 14:18.36 | agk | no possibility to serve food in that building - the only area is far too small |
| 14:18.38 | JD | agk: where were you thinking of having the main part? |
| 14:18.52 | agk | other options I saw were Rupert Beckett |
| 14:19.03 | JD | that is one of the big theatres |
| 14:19.08 | agk | there are 2 side-rooms |
| 14:19.13 | JD | there are several smaller rooms aorund it |
| 14:19.27 | agk | one could be laid out (flat) as the second talk room |
| 14:19.39 | Tarragon | If not in Leeds - what are the other cities that are possible? |
| 14:19.50 | agk | but there's only one other room there for the exhibition/food, which would be a squash |
| 14:19.58 | agk | Student Union: |
| 14:20.05 | agk | a nice hall by the entrance |
| 14:20.15 | JD | agk: you could use the main lecture block and use the cafe downstairs, but it still leaves a problme of exhibitors |
| 14:20.16 | agk | but all the other activities would be 2 floors up |
| 14:20.24 | agk | we can't use the cafe downstairs. |
| 14:20.27 | agk | not allowed to. |
| 14:21.16 | agk | (the cafe has to be open for university staff apparently) |
| 14:21.39 | JD | hmm rupert beckett is quite close to the union |
| 14:22.17 | JD | but presumably you want them in the same building |
| 14:22.25 | agk | the best option was the conference auditorium (now split into two) |
| 14:22.39 | agk | with exhibition+food in the sports hall (no 2.) |
| 14:22.44 | agk | but that's just too expensive for us |
| 14:23.13 | agk | (and the sports hall is twice the size we really need etc.) |
| 14:23.28 | agk | (so we're paying a lot for space we don't need) |
| 14:24.21 | agk | And getting internet access looks like hassle too |
| 14:24.47 | JD | agk: the conference hall was huge |
| 14:25.19 | JD | I can imagine it would be too big |
| 14:26.16 | agk | the size is OK |
| 14:26.25 | agk | the only problem with this option is the cost |
| 14:26.40 | agk | e.g. sports hall was 792+VAT per day |
| 14:27.17 | agk | which is already more than we paid in total for Edinburgh |
| 14:27.39 | JD | and you need it for 4 days? |
| 14:27.43 | agk | 3 days |
| 14:28.08 | JD | not doing the one day course thing? |
| 14:28.09 | agk | it would mean delegate fees going up to be like real conferences instead of cheap |
| 14:28.43 | JD | have you spoken to anyone at comp.leeds.ac.uk |
| 14:28.50 | agk | indirectly yes |
| 14:29.00 | agk | the 792 is already a discounted rate |
| 14:29.08 | JD | jj or mpc may be worth talking to |
| 14:29.48 | agk | (discounted by comp department booking it) |
| 14:34.29 | Xiaoqi | hiya |
| 15:11.00 | Xiaoqi | how was the lecture? |
| 15:11.48 | Wethrin | Okay |
| 15:11.58 | Wethrin | Got my Java coding done, too (just about). |
| 15:12.43 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 15:12.51 | Xiaoqi | i hope the next bit is better |
| 15:12.57 | Wethrin | No more next bits :) |
| 15:14.14 | Wethrin | Right. I'm off. Bye |
| 15:14.29 | Leeds | bye |
| 15:16.46 | Leeds | woo http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405988,00.asp |
| 15:17.46 | Leeds | and woo http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=281553222&fp=16&fpid=0 |
| 15:19.45 | eye69 | I can see Bill getting a plane ticket :) |
| 15:20.07 | Leeds | here or to Australia? |
| 15:20.24 | eye69 | Both, I guess |
| 15:21.22 | Leeds | so, what's the betting they replace all their internal Windows machines - desktop and server - but you still need to use IE to book an appointment with your GP? |
| 15:22.01 | eye69 | Leeds: The risk is certainly there.. |
| 15:23.59 | eye69 | NHS is Europe's biggest employer...that's at least what I read somewhere |
| 15:24.28 | Leeds | yup, that's what I heard |
| 15:24.45 | Cope | Woo to the above news. |
| 15:28.43 | eye69 | http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/34396.html |
| 15:29.06 | Leeds | yup :-) |
| 15:29.43 | Leeds | thing is... however good Redhat and SUSE and so on are... it does seem to make more of an impression coming from someone like Sun (equally HP, IBM, etc.) |
| 15:32.43 | Leeds | well... to be honest... a lot of this is just posturing by people like the NHS... it's more brinkmanship than serious, I think - but the point is that *right now* there's a serious enough alternative that they can put up a fight - and if nothing else comes of it, that's pretty good |
| 15:33.18 | Cope | Its all good news! |
| 15:53.32 | Cope | How to you echo a beep? |
| 15:55.47 | Cope | Hmm |
| 15:55.54 | Cope | \a didn't beep |
| 15:56.06 | stephen | echo -e '\a' |
| 15:56.36 | Cope | Ah - what's the -e do? |
| 15:56.54 | highbury | echo -e '\007' |
| 15:56.56 | stephen | makes echo process escape characters iirc |
| 15:57.25 | highbury | or indeed just "beep" |
| 15:57.47 | highbury | the -e is a POSIX thing |
| 15:58.46 | Leeds | and -n means don't include the newline... |
| 16:00.19 | Cope | man bash is *huge* - makes man xterm look insubstantial. |
| 16:01.21 | Leeds | plus I always find "man bash" sounds a little funny |
| 16:01.37 | Cope | Isn't that what Germaine Greer does? |
| 16:04.57 | highbury | its also extremely hard to use "echo" in a portable way across Unix platforms |
| 16:05.49 | Leeds | if it works on Solaris and Linux (and Darwin as a bonus) it's good enough for me |
| 16:05.59 | highbury | usually one ends up replacing it with a function or printf |
| 16:07.10 | highbury | Solaris, refers to the value of the PATH variable, before deciding how to process the echo syntax! |
| 16:07.18 | Cope | Hmm... trying to make it beep more than once. |
| 16:07.51 | Cope | for i in `seq 1 20'; do echo -e -n '\a' done |
| 16:07.56 | Cope | Only beeps once. |
| 16:08.15 | Cope | s\'\` |
| 16:08.30 | Leeds | why do I not know this seq command? |
| 16:08.41 | Leeds | which I wanted this very morning :-) |
| 16:08.47 | Cope | I don't know! :o) |
| 16:08.56 | highbury | cope you need a pause |
| 16:09.03 | Cope | Ah... |
| 16:09.11 | highbury | otherwise the beeps concatenate together to one big beep |
| 16:09.30 | Cope | How would you echo a null? |
| 16:09.38 | highbury | sleep 1 |
| 16:09.44 | Leeds | echo -e \0 |
| 16:09.56 | Leeds | but I don't think it'd do very much :-) |
| 16:10.10 | highbury | but you wouldn't want to send nulls to the console! |
| 16:10.12 | highbury | brb |
| 16:11.10 | Cope | Hmm... can you sleep fractions of 1? |
| 16:11.32 | Cope | for i in `seq 1 10`; do echo -e -n '\a'; sleep 1; done |
| 16:11.43 | Cope | This beeps 10 times, but lasts 10 seconds. |
| 16:12.03 | Leeds | are you sure you don't want to use the beep command |
| 16:12.35 | Cope | I don't know about the beep command. |
| 16:13.08 | Cope | Educate me on the beep command! |
| 16:16.45 | Cope | Woo! Sleep o.1 |
| 16:23.03 | Cope | ibot google for bash +beep |
| 16:29.47 | JD | beep is in a package called beep |
| 16:30.33 | Cope | I see, so when writing a bash script to run on a pda, using echo -e '\a' might be preferable. |
| 16:33.47 | Leeds | ugh, argh... my sister just sent me a .bmp file |
| 16:36.05 | Cope | ugh, zaurus doesn't beep, and you have to use the buzzer. |
| 16:36.16 | Cope | buzzer how-to is down :o( |
| 16:36.30 | Leeds | Cope: just use madplay or ogg123! |
| 16:36.34 | highbury | I thought \a was attention, so it isn't necessarily a beep |
| 16:37.03 | Leeds | and the .bmp is... an invitation to her house-warming party :-) as a very very badly 'photoshopped' (aka MS-painted) image |
| 16:37.05 | Cope | I tried \\7 too |
| 16:37.15 | highbury | \07 is ascii bel |
| 16:37.40 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.19 | Leeds | or \a even |
| 16:39.15 | Leeds | new2unix: ping? |
| 16:39.23 | Cope | Hmpf |
| 16:39.30 | new2unix | pong |
| 16:39.47 | Cope | Hi new2unix! |
| 16:40.09 | new2unix | hi there. just reading an article on Hanoi. hah |
| 16:40.17 | Leeds | Arundel Square is near you, right? |
| 16:40.26 | Cope | As in Hoi Chi Min City? |
| 16:40.36 | new2unix | Leeds, yep. i can see it from here. |
| 16:40.41 | Leeds | Cope: as in towers of :-) |
| 16:40.52 | Leeds | new2unix: do you know St. Clement's Court by any chance? |
| 16:40.56 | Cope | Ah! One of my first programs solved that puzzle. |
| 16:40.58 | new2unix | cope, http://www.kernelthread.com/hanoi/ |
| 16:40.59 | murble | Leeds: and moving the towers arround? |
| 16:41.05 | Leeds | murble: yes |
| 16:41.23 | Leeds | Cope: I think one of most people's programs solved that puzzle :-) |
| 16:41.44 | new2unix | Leeds, yeah. part of it is on sale or has just been sold. hold a sec, i'll just look out the window :) |
| 16:42.53 | new2unix | Leeds, a flat's just been sold. most likely this week. |
| 16:43.07 | Cope | new2unix: Highly cool! |
| 16:43.24 | Leeds | well... that's interesting :-) because my sister has just moved into or is about to move into number 2! |
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| 16:48.20 | Leeds | well... London is a very big city... but it's also a very small world :-) |
| 16:48.44 | armijn | heh |
| 16:48.48 | armijn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.49 | Leeds | ah, you're on consume, cool |
| 16:48.57 | armijn | ah well... |
| 16:48.59 | armijn | evening. |
| 16:49.02 | new2unix | hah. talking about my public wireless access. |
| 16:49.15 | armijn | it's dark outside... |
| 16:49.16 | new2unix | to those who were wandering where that came from. hah |
| 16:50.05 | new2unix | hi armijn, the fingers are being unresponsive today. they arent playing along. |
| 16:50.06 | Cope | What's consume? |
| 16:50.52 | new2unix | ibot google for consume wireless |
| 16:51.25 | new2unix | ibot thank you |
| 16:51.25 | | no worries, new2unix |
| 16:52.40 | Cope | ibot thank you! |
| 16:52.40 | | no worries, Cope |
| 16:52.49 | Leeds | ibot botsnack |
| 16:52.49 | | Leeds: :) |
| 16:55.42 | armijn | heh, yesterday royal heir was born here... |
| 16:56.02 | armijn | no name yet, but everybody knows it, because they registered the name already ;-) |
| 16:56.10 | Leeds | hmm... the only node anywhere near me is far too far away and run by a mate who gives me access anyway :-) |
| 16:56.18 | Leeds | armijn: congratulations! |
| 16:56.26 | armijn | leeds: ah well, am republican, so... |
| 16:56.38 | Leeds | then I'm sorry for you! |
| 16:56.44 | armijn | nah :) |
| 16:56.57 | Leeds | and the only node anywhere near work is... a colleague of mine :-) |
| 16:57.01 | armijn | but, officialy she has no name, but the domainnames were alread registered ;-) |
| 16:57.41 | Leeds | and the name is? |
| 16:58.32 | armijn | catharina amalia |
| 16:59.39 | Leeds | pretty... |
| 17:00.11 | armijn | could be |
| 17:00.37 | Leeds | pretty name... |
| 17:00.54 | armijn | I can't be bothered that much with it, it's just funny that some digging through whois can reveal a lot ;-) |
| 17:01.09 | armijn | whois, dns, etc. |
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| 18:23.29 | Leeds | ha ha ha I do like Python |
| 18:25.05 | Leeds | ah, that's nice :-) |
| 18:27.08 | Leeds | I just added a new feature to our internal Wiki on the fly :-) |
| 18:27.24 | JD | any kopete users? |
| 18:29.42 | Leeds | oooh, and moinmoin 1.1 got released *finally* |
| 18:44.06 | Wethrin | Blah |
| 18:56.23 | eye69 | Argh, need to recompile Apache 2 |
| 19:02.57 | JD | hi all |
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| 19:19.31 | eye69 | Doing? |
| 19:19.44 | eye69 | I am probably interested |
| 19:20.04 | Leeds | a bit support/customer-focussed for my liking |
| 19:20.46 | Leeds | the title is "Service Management Executive" |
| 19:31.10 | Leeds | eye69: want me to forward on the job info? |
| 19:33.17 | eye69 | Leeds: Yes please, to magnus@upcore.net |
| 19:33.17 | murble | Leeds: where are they based? |
| 19:33.30 | Leeds | Clerkenwell, London EC1 |
| 19:34.47 | Leeds | eye69: on the way :-) |
| 19:35.53 | murble | Leeds: does the Executive bit mean you have ot own a shirt and tie to be eligable? |
| 19:36.05 | Leeds | I don't think so, no |
| 19:41.05 | Leeds | done, hometime! |
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| 20:04.07 | murble | hmm now novell are a linux company will they stop suppressing the linux nwfs stuff? |
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| 20:12.02 | murble | turn on more computers? |
| 20:12.07 | murble | or do you have broken heating? |
| 20:12.17 | Leeds | broken heating |
| 20:12.21 | Leeds | 13 degrees when I came in |
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| 20:37.33 | henrik | Quick question if someone's here? |
| 20:38.00 | Leeds | quick answer: yes! |
| 20:38.42 | henrik | Hi. Can I trigger my mx backup to deliver my mail when my mail server is up again? |
| 20:39.10 | henrik | I get "not implemented" from ETRN |
| 20:44.34 | henrik | I suppose qmail doesn't support that then |
| 20:50.33 | Leeds | probably not - it's a useful feature, and qmail is pretty devoid of them |
| 20:51.03 | Leeds | anyway... I dunno |
| 20:51.12 | henrik | Ok, thanks anyway |
| 20:59.27 | Clyphox | blegghh |
| 21:17.38 | eye69 | Hey henrik |
| 21:17.47 | Clyphox | Hi eye69 |
| 21:17.48 | henrik | Hej Magnus. Whazzup? |
| 21:18.09 | Clyphox | TV is evil muhaha |
| 21:18.09 | eye69 | Nothin much....just finished setup of a subversion server |
| 21:18.11 | henrik | Well, Room 101 is anyway |
| 21:18.19 | henrik | Which is? |
| 21:18.35 | eye69 | CVS replacement |
| 21:19.01 | eye69 | They plan to take over the userbase of CVS, but it doesn't have the annoying "features" of CVS |
| 21:19.17 | Clyphox | "features" indeed |
| 21:19.27 | henrik | Like it doesn't work with multiple users :-) |
| 21:33.00 | henrik | How can I run X across two monitors when my machine only has one AGP slot? |
| 21:36.22 | Clyphox | I only know one word... Xinerama |
| 21:36.34 | Clyphox | not done it tho.. but I wager there are many tuts |
| 21:40.24 | henrik | Looks good |
| 21:40.36 | henrik | but my question was more the hardware. |
| 21:40.57 | henrik | Which dual output cards does it support? (if you know) |
| 21:50.00 | Wethrin | henrik! :) |
| 21:51.21 | henrik | Hey. I thought you were asleep :-) |
| 21:51.28 | Wethrin | Nah - I was out at band practice |
| 21:51.52 | Wethrin | Some Matrox cards are dual-output |
| 21:52.07 | henrik | OK. Do they work well? |
| 21:52.49 | Wethrin | Dunno :) I've only used a single-output Matrox card, and it was old |
| 21:53.13 | Wethrin | Mystique 220 |
| 21:53.18 | henrik | Ok |
| 21:53.32 | henrik | Is TFT monitors really as crap as they say? |
| 21:54.01 | Wethrin | I love TFT monitors |
| 21:54.09 | Clyphox | Wethrin |
| 21:54.10 | Wethrin | They're wonderful on the eyes compared to CRTs |
| 21:54.18 | Wethrin | BUT they only support one resolution well |
| 21:54.20 | Wethrin | Clyphox |
| 21:54.26 | henrik | eye69 |
| 21:54.43 | henrik | I've just heard they make you blind?! |
| 21:54.54 | Wethrin | Only if you watch porn |
| 21:56.18 | henrik | What instrument do you play? |
| 21:56.26 | Wethrin | Clarinet. And saxophone |
| 21:56.32 | henrik | OK |
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| 22:43.09 | Cope | ibot seen mozrat? |
| 22:43.11 | | mozrat <~mozrat@mozrat-work.batesuk.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 10h 58m 5s ago, saying: 'See you all later'. |
| 22:44.35 | Cope | ibot hi |
| 22:44.35 | | hello, cope |
| 22:45.00 | Cope | ibot How are you? |
| 22:45.01 | | I think you lost me on that one, Cope |
| 22:45.56 | Wethrin | ibot life |
| 22:45.57 | | This just in.. life Sucks Less(tm)! |
| 22:46.06 | Cope | ibot death |
| 22:46.08 | | Cope: i haven't a clue |
| 22:46.37 | JD | ibot: jenson |
| 22:46.39 | | rumour has it, jenson is all id |
| 22:46.47 | Wethrin | :) |
| 22:46.52 | Cope | ibot cope |
| 22:46.54 | | well, cope is always smiling at me when I say Hi |
| 22:47.12 | JD | ibot: JD |
| 22:47.13 | | you are probably looking for a indie or nu-metaler geek girl, non-smoker, or that's Councillor JD to you! |
| 22:47.19 | JD | :) |
| 22:47.29 | Wethrin | That's not entirely true any more now, is it? :) |
| 22:47.33 | Wethrin | ibot Wethrin |
| 22:47.34 | | extra, extra, read all about it, wethrin is bigger than a breadbox, unless said breadbox is > 5'11" long |
| 22:47.43 | Wethrin | ibot dankolb |
| 22:47.45 | | wish i knew, Wethrin |
| 22:48.15 | Cope | ibot Leeds |
| 22:48.16 | | it has been said that leeds is a bloke called Richard in the UK or spending too much time playing with expensive electronic toys or a genius or whatever you want him to be, or nekkid, or a place in the norf, or a rubbish footie team |
| 22:51.37 | Cope | ibot ibot |
| 22:51.38 | | i heard ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 22:55.27 | Xiaoqi | hi |
| 22:55.37 | JD | hi Xiaoqi |
| 22:56.02 | Xiaoqi | hey JD |
| 22:56.08 | Xiaoqi | hows it going? |
| 22:56.15 | JD | not too bad |
| 22:58.16 | Cope | ibot xiaoqi |
| 22:58.17 | | methinks xiaoqi is very very nice |
| 22:58.18 | Xiaoqi | gonna go to bed and read i think |
| 22:58.24 | Xiaoqi | yey! |
| 22:58.28 | Xiaoqi | :) |
| 22:58.40 | Xiaoqi | thankyou ibot |
| 22:59.08 | Xiaoqi | goodnight everyone |
| 22:59.10 | Cope | ibot botsnack |
| 22:59.10 | | Cope: thanks |
| 22:59.18 | Xiaoqi | see you in the morning |
| 22:59.28 | Cope | nn |
| 23:16.37 | JD | what is it with Kate Winslett and being naked |
| 23:18.12 | Cope | which KWGN session have you just seen? |
| 23:19.27 | Wethrin | Titanic |
| 23:19.35 | Wethrin | (James Cameron version) |
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| 23:32.46 | Cope | Hi JD |
| 23:34.19 | Wethrin | wb JD |
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| 23:37.41 | Wethrin | g'night all |
| 23:38.09 | murble | good evening |
| 23:38.20 | Cope | Evening murble |
| 23:38.50 | murble | Cope: how successful was your meeting on friday? |
| 23:39.31 | Cope | murble: It didn't happen; the client didn't confirm the meeting, and didn't return my emails. |
| 23:39.39 | murble | oh :( |
| 23:39.58 | Cope | And right now I've got baby stuff to worry about, so I might chase him ion the new year. |
| 23:40.23 | murble | oh, waht is the ETA? |
| 23:40.51 | Cope | Any day! In theory its the 17th but midwife reckons more like the next few days. |