00:17.45 | highbury | anybody use k3b to create audio disks? |
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02:17.55 | therockstunkidz | no one at home, but the point is, that I've arrived and wanna say 'hello' to everyone, even though everyone seems to be down the pub :) |
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05:19.38 | Clyphox | moo |
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07:11.54 | mozrat | Is anyone else up at this ungodly hour? |
07:14.11 | zachary | yes |
07:14.20 | mozrat | Good Morning! |
07:14.35 | zachary | Well I wouldn't go as far as calling it good! |
07:14.46 | mozrat | True... |
07:14.58 | mozrat | Although it is most certainly morning |
07:15.08 | zachary | been up at 3am back down at 3:30 and then again at 5:30 |
07:15.18 | mozrat | Babys? |
07:15.27 | zachary | yes |
07:15.44 | mozrat | Hurrah! Been there. Mine are a little more settled now |
07:16.50 | zachary | My daughter is a little over 1 1/2. |
07:16.57 | zachary | son is 2 months |
07:17.26 | mozrat | Ewww. 2 months isn't the most sleep productive age is it! |
07:18.33 | zachary | Can't waite until he's over the 6 month period. |
07:19.10 | zachary | I don't care about the cuteness, I want functionality! |
07:19.16 | mozrat | :-) |
07:19.24 | mozrat | You want more downtime |
07:19.42 | zachary | Well consistancy would be nice. |
07:19.50 | mozrat | Speaking of downtime I've been called into work at 0700 to reboot 15 Windows 2000 Servers for patches |
07:20.15 | mozrat | Strangly the Linux ones don't need rebooting. Must point that out to someone |
07:21.23 | zachary | Imagine that. An os that doesn't need to be rebooted everytime you upate something, or get a cup of coffee, or caugh. |
07:22.51 | mozrat | That would be so cool. Someone should invent one. |
07:23.51 | mozrat | What would one call such an invention? |
07:23.55 | zachary | I think FSF should pattent the concept. That way when MS finally gets they're shit together. We can charge them. :) |
07:24.13 | mozrat | That is the best idea. |
07:24.41 | mozrat | It was a good talk on databases on Saturday |
07:34.08 | zachary | Tushar offered the talk at the pub after RMS gave his lecture. We might get him for another talk, "Migrating from MS-SQL." |
07:34.54 | mozrat | I was playing with the idea of giving a talk on Linux Virtual Server... High availability web services stuff |
07:35.19 | zachary | :-) |
07:36.02 | mozrat | we use it here a lot, and it is quite easy to explain the concepts. Examples would be a little tricky though |
07:38.40 | zachary | Conceptual examples is best for diagrams. But if you would like to do an actual demo. We could have a second half in the computer lab. And set it up before hand. Sean does have removable hdd. |
07:39.42 | mozrat | It could be done with 4 different terminal screens and a web browser-- you wouldn't need to see 4 different boxes |
07:39.49 | mozrat | SSH back onto here! |
07:40.23 | mozrat | Or UML |
07:43.06 | mozrat | OK... I need to take advantage of the only benefit of coming into work early... free breakfast. Speak to you later!!! |
07:43.35 | zachary | k, I need food too! |
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09:45.11 | Leeds | Mrs. Trellis, North Wales |
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09:58.38 | mozrat | Good Morning Leeds |
09:59.12 | Leeds | morning |
09:59.35 | mozrat | Was there some relevance to the outburst "Mrs Trellis, North Wales"??? :-) |
10:00.29 | Leeds | yes, of course |
10:00.34 | mozrat | Good. |
10:00.49 | Leeds | ibot google for mrs trellis north wales |
10:01.26 | Leeds | hmm... I really didn't expect her to have her own domain :-) |
10:02.17 | Leeds | but it is the right Mrs. Trellis... |
10:02.28 | mozrat | Still none the wiser if I'm honest! |
10:03.21 | Leeds | no, indeed... |
10:03.43 | Leeds | try the BBC link... |
10:04.29 | mozrat | :-) |
10:05.35 | Leeds | make any sense yet? :-) |
10:06.01 | mozrat | Yep... think so |
10:17.28 | Cope | morning |
10:27.59 | Leeds | very strange 'Jewish' Simpsons |
10:31.35 | Cope | hmm |
10:32.43 | Cope | mozrat: pin |
10:32.47 | Cope | mozrat: ping |
10:43.33 | mozrat | Cope: reply from.... |
10:43.38 | mozrat | Cope: reply from... |
10:46.16 | Cope | mozrat: boing! |
10:46.50 | Cope | How was Reading? |
10:47.15 | Cope | we're off to the Doctors now... ttyl. |
10:47.25 | Cope | @nick Cope!Doctor |
10:52.06 | mozrat | Reading was far far away |
10:53.25 | Clyphox | lol |
10:53.29 | Clyphox | http://tinyurl.com/ye4w |
10:54.32 | Leeds | um... |
10:54.37 | Clyphox | sad |
10:54.44 | mozrat | Funny, but a disturbing amount of factual inaccuracies |
10:54.58 | mozrat | I'm sure Simon Weston wasn't in that many Duran Duran videos |
10:56.32 | Clyphox | gtg.. laters |
11:51.33 | mozrat | Wow.. that was quick |
11:51.47 | Cope | Doctor is on the same street as our house. |
11:52.14 | mozrat | Thats lucky... what did he say (in terms of delivery date) |
11:53.08 | Cope | He said: 'One contraction and the baby will be fully engaged, could be any day' |
11:53.19 | mozrat | Gulp. |
11:53.47 | mozrat | That kind of talk makes me nervous. You must be terrified |
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11:54.24 | Cope | I think there was a 'show' yesterday too. |
11:54.41 | Cope | </off topic> |
11:58.22 | Cope | Ok: Challenge of the day: |
11:58.29 | Cope | Your budget is 100 pounds. |
11:58.42 | Cope | You already have a 15 inch monitor, but its a bit flakey. |
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11:58.47 | Cope | Your mission: |
11:59.12 | Cope | Build a TV with teletext and DVD player. |
11:59.18 | Cope | Do-able? |
11:59.20 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
12:00.23 | Cope | Morning nikki |
12:04.54 | Xiaoqi | :) |
12:07.51 | Cope | 'We don't need to spend 100 pounds on a TV, you could make a computer that did tv, and then you could have another computer!' |
12:11.44 | eye69 | Cope: Sure, you can get a TV card for less than 100 quid. |
12:12.27 | eye69 | Doh....you didn't have a machine, did you? :) |
12:12.28 | Cope | Well, I need a pc to put it in too. |
12:13.07 | eye69 | Considering that any machine you get wont be usable for much else, I would seriously consider spending 100 quid on a used TV instead. |
12:13.34 | eye69 | I'm using my machine as TV, but I want something like a 28 inch TV instead. |
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12:23.18 | mozrat | Cope: £119 gets you a new TV/DVD from Asda |
12:23.57 | Cope | mozrat: Yeah, but will it work as a gateway/firewall? |
12:24.24 | mozrat | Cope: Sure... do you have a soldering iron and a wedge of elastic bands? |
12:29.29 | Cope | http://freevo.sourceforge.net |
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14:31.25 | formi | hello |
14:32.44 | Leeds | shalom |
14:32.57 | formi | is that a threat? |
14:33.25 | Leeds | um, no |
14:33.34 | Leeds | is there any reason it should be? |
14:34.08 | mozrat | I have a problem! |
14:35.12 | formi | Leeds, you know how religious I am |
14:35.23 | Leeds | nothing religious about shalom |
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14:36.52 | Leeds | mozrat: go on then... |
14:38.09 | mozrat | I have a solution in mind... but it is a webserver/permissions thing. A client has a apache server they want to upload files to using FTP. The files are owned by www-data:www-data and the permissions 755. |
14:39.16 | mozrat | Obviously this chap connects using a standard user account. I'm a little nervous about chmoding all the webfiles to 777. Should I give him group ownership, or setup a different directory and use rsync to get the web content into the web root |
14:41.54 | formi | http://new2unix.no-ip.com/gllug/IMG_0123.JPG |
14:44.11 | mozrat | I saw that dude on Saturday!!! |
14:47.23 | Leeds | mozrat: uploading new files or changing existing ones? |
14:47.38 | mozrat | Both! |
14:47.44 | Leeds | and I assume these aren't static files - they're scripts, right? |
14:48.26 | mozrat | just html and php |
14:49.00 | Leeds | so some are scripts |
14:49.15 | Leeds | only wondering why they're executable :-) |
14:49.30 | Leeds | and they can't be owned by the user? |
14:50.49 | mozrat | sorry leed. brb |
14:51.40 | formi | can you set a file mask for a directory? |
14:54.30 | formi | you ate my food, http://new2unix.no-ip.com/gllug/IMG_0172.JPG |
14:59.01 | Leeds | um, right |
14:59.08 | Leeds | BTW, do you know what shalom means? |
15:02.49 | mozrat | Right so the best way to go is 744 user:user and let the apache server read the files using the "other" permissions |
15:03.03 | mozrat | or even 644 |
15:03.52 | formi | Leeds something like hello, |
15:04.08 | mozrat | Leeds: Peace? |
15:04.16 | Leeds | formi: hello, goodbye and peace (which is the original meaning) |
15:04.32 | mozrat | 2/3 isn't bad!! |
15:04.37 | Leeds | true... |
15:04.45 | Leeds | but I'm wondering how that is possibly threatening |
15:04.48 | formi | so I suppose they don't use it much in Israel |
15:06.31 | Leeds | mozrat: isn't that going to mean that the scripts fail to run? |
15:06.54 | formi | i remenber when i was about 13 i used to read a lot of sci-fi books, in one of them they used something like "expansion for your mind" as a greating |
15:08.52 | mozrat | Leeds: i think php scripts should be OK |
15:09.11 | Leeds | mozrat: okay, fair enough |
15:10.00 | mozrat | Leeds: Thanks |
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15:13.45 | Leeds | not sure how I helped, but you're welcome :-) |
15:17.59 | formi | Clyphox, |
15:20.28 | formi | back in a few minutes |
15:21.28 | mozrat | Leeds: You helped because I was stuck on the idea that www-data should own the files, and my user would have to have world-writeable permissions on the data. If I give the user ownership and let www-data read through the "world" permissions that would be more secure. So thanks!!!! |
15:21.51 | Leeds | ah, cool... |
15:26.53 | Leeds | argh, glibc... |
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15:53.53 | Clyphox | formi |
15:54.33 | formi | how could you trust in Jenson to bring my bag???? |
15:55.14 | formi | at least she left at home |
15:55.29 | Clyphox | you didn't get it? |
15:55.36 | formi | no |
15:55.42 | Clyphox | what happened? |
15:55.50 | formi | she forgot |
15:56.09 | Clyphox | sigh |
15:57.32 | formi | if there is a next time, just tie it to here neck very tight |
15:57.41 | formi | s/here/her |
15:57.51 | Clyphox | noted |
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17:21.34 | sparrowd | how can I specify to lilo that I want to create a map file, but somewhere other than default? |
17:21.48 | Clyphox | dunno |
17:22.02 | sparrowd | neither do I :-) |
17:26.18 | Clyphox | what r map files for anyway? |
17:27.25 | sparrowd | mapping hdds to bios |
17:27.27 | sparrowd | iirc |
17:27.39 | highbury | map=mapfile |
17:27.57 | resuDaed | highbury : like I said ?? (I think) |
17:28.18 | highbury | its documented |
17:28.56 | resuDaed | I don't have access to documents here, just irc |
17:29.16 | resuDaed | but I am asking, was the guess right? |
17:30.59 | highbury | map=mapfile |
17:34.08 | resuDaed | this is a beautiful machine I am working on, but it takes 90 seconds for the bios' to do their bit :-( |
17:34.28 | eye69 | A slow BIOS is a sign of a powerful machine. :) |
17:35.04 | resuDaed | dual PPro (200MHz, 256k L2), 256MB EDO, 2x 10G SCSI HDDs |
17:35.24 | resuDaed | Powerful in its own day |
17:35.38 | Clyphox | still need to pay me for that ;-) |
17:35.56 | resuDaed | (not compaq) |
17:36.13 | resuDaed | Clyphox : yeah - for the prosignia |
17:36.35 | Clyphox | ohh yeah.. it wasn't a dualy was it |
17:36.40 | resuDaed | this I have built out of old scraps laying about the workshop |
17:37.08 | resuDaed | it will retire the 800MHz celeron :-) |
17:37.21 | resuDaed | when I eventually get an OS on it |
17:38.55 | Clyphox | netbsd is fun |
17:39.00 | Clyphox | no great SMP iirc |
17:49.49 | highbury | anybody run spamassassin+kmail ? |
17:50.02 | Clyphox | yuck |
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18:31.24 | morsing | therockstunkidz :-) How are you doing? |
18:31.34 | Xiaoqi | hi |
18:31.39 | morsing | Hi there |
19:01.16 | JD | hi Xiaoqi |
19:11.55 | Clyphox | hi JD |
19:11.59 | Clyphox | hows you? |
19:13.46 | JD | not too bad |
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19:30.31 | Cope | I got a 14" monitor and speakers for 15 quid! |
19:30.51 | Clyphox | Cope: I got 5 15" for free :-) |
19:31.05 | Clyphox | School threw em out for no reason |
19:31.11 | Cope | Bah! I'd have bought one from you. |
19:31.27 | Clyphox | brought them home.. drained the water and let them dry and they work :-) |
19:31.31 | Cope | Anyone got a basic basic machine they want to get rid of? |
19:31.33 | Clyphox | quite amazon |
19:31.51 | Clyphox | er amazing.. and no soz |
19:32.38 | Clyphox | its damn good listening to them trying to sing in english heehee.. |
19:32.55 | Clyphox | hmm.. high in cocoa |
19:33.05 | Cope | Extremely so. |
19:34.41 | Xiaoqi | mmm chocolate... |
19:35.39 | JD | where? |
19:35.41 | JD | ohh there |
19:35.47 | Xiaoqi | lol |
19:36.23 | JD | awww |
19:36.33 | Xiaoqi | too tired! |
20:01.03 | formi | <murb>/me kills formi |
20:41.31 | JD | ping |
20:49.42 | highbury | hi jd, a SpamAssassin question for you... |
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20:50.20 | highbury | When SA marks an email as spam, it seems to put a mime-wrapper round the original email |
20:50.52 | Leeds | it's optional |
20:51.02 | Leeds | depends on how you're doing the marking |
20:51.17 | Leeds | or at least it was in the ancient version we're still using |
20:51.33 | highbury | when I want to train SA, can I train it with a folder containing those wrapped entries, or do I have to revert it back to the original form |
20:51.37 | JD | highbury: you can fix it, but I've not got the runes here |
20:51.42 | JD | check the fq |
20:51.44 | JD | FAQ |
20:56.16 | Cope | Evening |
20:57.18 | Leeds | Cope: yes, yes it is... you got that just right |
20:58.15 | Leeds | and next on "Stating the time of day" - coming soon! NIGHT! |
20:58.39 | Leeds | :-) |
20:59.02 | Cope | Leeds: When you go to your sister's house-warming party, could you do me a favour? |
20:59.27 | Leeds | possibly... ask |
20:59.51 | JD | Cope: invite you? |
20:59.54 | Cope | Well, new2unix has a computer for me, but I have no transport; could you pick it up and drop it off on your way home? |
21:00.06 | Leeds | remind me where you are? |
21:00.15 | Cope | On the A5 - just below cricklewood |
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21:00.43 | Leeds | postcode? |
21:00.54 | Cope | NW6 1NS |
21:00.58 | Leeds | JD: stop that!@ |
21:01.07 | JD | Leeds: sorry |
21:01.14 | Cope | Leeds: Do they have fluffy faces? |
21:01.24 | Leeds | Cope: um, no... |
21:01.50 | Leeds | hmm... are you actually on Shoot-Up Hill? |
21:02.08 | Cope | Leeds - about 100 yards off Shoot-Up-Hill |
21:02.24 | Leeds | ah... I've got a friend who lives across the road from the Kwik-Fit |
21:02.34 | Wethrin | Hellllllo |
21:02.40 | Cope | Yeah - anbout 2 mins from there. |
21:02.47 | Cope | Hi Wethrin |
21:02.49 | JD | hi Wethrin |
21:03.27 | Leeds | anyway... on the way home? probably not... the next day? sure! :-) |
21:03.42 | Cope | That would be great, thanks! |
21:04.00 | Cope | You can meet the baby (assuming its appeared by then) |
21:04.09 | Leeds | it's that close? |
21:04.24 | Cope | Its very close - officially 7 days, more like any day now! |
21:05.20 | Leeds | yay! or ooh! or argh! as the case may be... |
21:05.32 | Cope | Heh! A bit of all three! |
21:06.17 | Leeds | allergic to ties? |
21:06.40 | Leeds | I know I am... |
21:07.32 | Wethrin | It's a shit job? |
21:07.38 | Leeds | my TiVo is confusing me... |
21:08.12 | Cope | She just saw a merchant banker on TV and how much cash her earns; I made the mistake of saying that a friend from college is now a merchant banker - same degree, same class... |
21:08.32 | Wethrin | Oops :) |
21:08.40 | Cope | Error. |
21:08.50 | Wethrin | But merchant bankers are dull |
21:08.53 | Cope | This is true. |
21:09.25 | Leeds | and people make bad rhyming jokes about them |
21:09.49 | Wethrin | Leeds: That's true for any set of bankers |
21:09.58 | Leeds | yes |
21:09.59 | Wethrin | GARGH. Download timed out! |
21:10.20 | Cope | wget? |
21:10.46 | Wethrin | From https |
21:10.53 | Wethrin | Doesn't work on my system |
21:11.01 | Leeds | so update it? |
21:11.42 | Wethrin | Hah. Stupid Debian-type packages |
21:12.16 | Cope | Why do you have a debian-type package? |
21:12.22 | Wethrin | fink under OS X |
21:12.27 | Cope | Ah. |
21:12.40 | Cope | As a good friend once said: use a decent OS? |
21:13.21 | Wethrin | I am, thank you. |
21:13.22 | Cope | Serously though, what's fink? Is that an apt-like application? |
21:13.32 | Wethrin | Pity about the packaging from an inferior system |
21:13.33 | Wethrin | Yes. |
21:13.51 | Cope | Is that the standard tool? |
21:14.00 | Wethrin | No, it's an addon |
21:14.16 | Cope | Is there some sort of ports system available? |
21:14.24 | Wethrin | Hmm. It would be much nicer. |
21:14.31 | JD | darwin-ports? |
21:14.32 | Wethrin | Not have this stupid Debian-shit around :) |
21:14.45 | Wethrin | .oO(will JD rise to the troll) |
21:15.12 | JD | Wethrin: no, cos I know you are already damned |
21:15.15 | Wethrin | :-) |
21:15.21 | Cope | Double predestination. |
21:17.27 | highbury | ok, re SpamAssassin, I can't find the info yet :-( |
21:20.15 | Wethrin | highbury: What re SA? |
21:22.02 | highbury | when I want to train SA, can I train it with a folder containing those wrapped entries, or do I have to revert it back to the original form |
21:22.38 | highbury | that is when SA identifies a SPAM message, it seems to mime encapsulate it. |
21:23.01 | Wethrin | Does it? Hm. I think you'd need the original mail. I think it deals with RFC-822 formatted mails. |
21:36.13 | highbury | hmmm, you don't sound certain Wethrin |
21:37.22 | Wethrin | I prefer to keep an element of doubt around |
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22:05.49 | Cope | Relo |
22:07.59 | Wethrin | (Emerson, Lake & Palmer)++ |
22:08.23 | Xiaoqi | hi |
22:13.27 | Cope | Hi Xiaoqi |
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22:22.01 | Wethrin | Arachne? Or is that not Linux-based? |
22:22.03 | Wethrin | w3m, maybe? |
22:23.11 | Cope | I've heard good things about w3m but never played with it much; I have it, and the key-bindings aren't that friendly. |
22:23.19 | Cope | Anyone here used it much? |
22:23.39 | Wethrin | It's the standard emacs web browser |
22:26.14 | Cope | Ah. |
22:26.35 | Cope | Well, I've never used emacs in my life... :o) |
22:28.30 | Wethrin | You should. It's rather powerful |
22:28.50 | Cope | I know sash loves it. |
22:29.25 | Cope | I don't want to initiate a war, but I've always used vi and never seen the need to use anything else; but I'm open-minded. |
22:30.04 | Wethrin | I think it depends |
22:30.21 | Wethrin | I use vi for quick edits (config files, shell scripts, etc.) |
22:30.40 | Wethrin | But emacs I find far better for larger edits - i.e. source code |
22:31.26 | Cope | Ah, I see. |
22:31.49 | Cope | what makes it more suitable for longer edits? |
22:37.13 | Wethrin | It's nice that it's not the modal editor. Plus it has lots of nifty features |
22:37.21 | Wethrin | Like being able to compile without quitting |
22:38.53 | Wethrin | And, say with LaTeX, you can both compile and view the resulting DVI |
22:39.15 | Wethrin | Plus with some compilers it'll be able to jump to the error-causing lines |
22:40.53 | Cope | Nice. |
22:40.58 | Wethrin | Oh, and you can get an IRC client for it |
22:42.01 | Wethrin | g'night |
22:42.08 | Cope | nn Wethrin. |
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23:26.35 | Cope | Hi nasrat |
23:26.44 | nasrat | hi |
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23:57.55 | Clyphox | heh |
23:58.54 | Cope | w3m | zgv broke my machine :o( |