| 00:11.25 | stephen | how goes it Cope, and how are mother and baby? |
| 00:12.22 | Clyphox | Daddy-Cope!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:12.26 | Daddy-Cope | Woohoo! |
| 00:12.30 | Clyphox | I knew I knew! |
| 00:12.35 | Daddy-Cope | Mother is -shattered- |
| 00:12.40 | Daddy-Cope | Baby is well. |
| 00:14.42 | Clyphox | when/how long/etc? |
| 00:15.09 | murble | aren't you supposed to ask the birth mass? |
| 00:15.27 | murble | oh and get very pissed? |
| 00:15.30 | Clyphox | thats included in etc :-) |
| 00:15.54 | Clyphox | ok I am grabbing a BEER! |
| 00:16.13 | murble | Daddy-Cope: does baby have domain or email address yet? |
| 00:16.39 | Daddy-Cope | murble: I expect he will! And pics will follow, after sleep! |
| 00:17.17 | Daddy-Cope | Um... nearly 3 kg and 51 cm |
| 00:18.55 | Tarragon | Congrats! |
| 00:19.59 | Tarragon | Boy/Girl?? Name? |
| 00:20.46 | Daddy-Cope | Tarragon: Boy, William! |
| 00:20.53 | Tarragon | "I expect HE will" sort of gives it away |
| 00:20.57 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 00:21.03 | murble | bill overflow! |
| 00:21.23 | Clyphox | :-) |
| 00:21.42 | Daddy-Cope | Sophie was in labour for 22 hours. |
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| 00:21.47 | Clyphox | When was William delivered? |
| 00:21.52 | Marios_ | Hello guys |
| 00:21.59 | Daddy-Cope | She did the whole thing without pain relief!!! |
| 00:22.05 | Daddy-Cope | What a legend! |
| 00:22.05 | Clyphox | poor thing.. since you disapeared last night? |
| 00:22.22 | Clyphox | when did you go to hospital etc? |
| 00:22.26 | Daddy-Cope | clyphox: William was born at 19:17 |
| 00:22.32 | Daddy-Cope | We arrive at 3am |
| 00:22.37 | Clyphox | :-) |
| 00:22.42 | Clyphox | so cool |
| 00:22.47 | murble | 16 hours.. |
| 00:24.15 | Daddy-Cope | murble: Nope, she started at 9pm |
| 00:24.30 | Daddy-Cope | Hospital at 3am |
| 00:27.26 | Daddy-Cope | Anyway, I'm shagged, so going to get some sleep! |
| 00:27.29 | murble | nn |
| 00:27.45 | Daddy-Cope | See you all soon; and no doubt you'll meet William before long. |
| 00:28.41 | Tarragon | Night |
| 00:28.56 | new2unix | Daddy-Cope: Congratulations :) |
| 00:29.20 | Clyphox | Night |
| 00:31.35 | Daddy-Cope | Thanks new2unix |
| 00:31.51 | Daddy-Cope | See you tomorrow, I expect. |
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| 00:45.24 | Clyphox | re highbury |
| 00:49.06 | highbury | hey there, did the email list move over to gllug.org.uk yet? |
| 00:51.14 | Clyphox | not sure |
| 01:00.12 | Leeds | check the HCL, guys |
| 01:00.32 | murble | with a little i before the C? |
| 01:00.39 | Leeds | ? |
| 01:00.41 | murble | Leeds: There is atleast one mistake i've found. |
| 01:00.44 | murble | in teh HCL |
| 01:00.45 | highbury | usually very restrictive |
| 01:00.56 | murble | they are supporting all sorts of random wireless cards now. |
| 01:01.02 | Leeds | murble: well, as long as you reported it... |
| 01:01.47 | murble | Leeds: does it include a compiler that i can use to build and link stuff with the kernel? |
| 01:01.51 | highbury | I downloaded one zipped .iso, and it was corrupt, but the system wouldn't let me redownload it, I had to do a whole new re-registration process |
| 01:02.07 | murble | highbury: find someone who is offering it as a bittorrent. |
| 01:02.23 | Leeds | murble: dunno... gcc? |
| 01:02.38 | highbury | murble, you probably need to wait for them to port the Solaris Freeware cd over to Solaris x86 |
| 01:02.48 | Leeds | highbury: oy! |
| 01:03.00 | Leeds | we've *always* produced the Companion CD for x86 |
| 01:03.14 | murble | Leeds: is solaris now build with gcc? |
| 01:03.19 | Leeds | murble: no |
| 01:03.32 | murble | so i probably won't be able to link stuff :( |
| 01:03.44 | highbury | Leeds, where do I download the companion disk for Solaris 9 x86, I didn;t see it listed on the Sun site |
| 01:03.58 | Leeds | highbury: in the usual place... if it's not there, let me know and I'll shout |
| 01:04.29 | Leeds | http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/ |
| 01:04.34 | highbury | where is that leeds? (but surely it should be on SOLDC too?) |
| 01:06.03 | highbury | should I be worried that when I first try and download the installer cd its called sol-9-u4-install-x86.zip and now its called sol-9-u5-install-x86.zip |
| 01:06.37 | Leeds | get u5 |
| 01:06.50 | Leeds | remember - I've never had to download Solaris :-) |
| 01:08.18 | highbury | its not just incremented because I had to reregister? |
| 01:08.35 | Leeds | I really don't know... |
| 01:10.15 | highbury | its a bit confusing, but I now don't know whether to redownload the stuff |
| 01:11.11 | highbury | and murble, why would I want to download it with bittorrent, and the extra attendent risks, when there's an official free site? |
| 01:11.27 | murble | lists still goinging via lists.ftech |
| 01:11.44 | murble | highbury: if you want i could download it some place fast and you could rsync it and save the download? |
| 01:11.55 | murble | highbury: i was thinking if you did that you could only download teh corrupt bits. |
| 01:12.09 | highbury | ok, sounds like we're still waiting for korenwolf to halp jason_ukfsn to move them |
| 01:13.39 | highbury | murble, yes it would make things so much easier if Sun / leeds provided decent rsync access, rather than their brain-damaged cgi route |
| 01:14.32 | Leeds | highbury: you have *no idea* how much work it was to get to the current point |
| 01:16.15 | murble | Leeds: I know pwople in .uk who are trying to buy java desktop not from morse... |
| 01:20.33 | highbury | <sigh> we know leeds |
| 01:23.39 | highbury | well time for bed, and maybe feed the baby, night night |
| 01:23.45 | Leeds | g'night |
| 02:25.03 | Clyphox | nn |
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| 08:20.05 | mozrat | Yay... go Daddy-Cope. Congrats |
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| 08:44.57 | Xiaoqi | good morning |
| 08:49.00 | zachary | moin |
| 09:14.00 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 09:15.26 | zachary | moin wethrin |
| 09:15.58 | Clyphox | Morning wethrin, zachary |
| 09:16.17 | zachary | moin Clyphox |
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| 09:19.49 | wethrin | 'lo Leeds |
| 09:20.04 | Leeds | morning |
| 09:20.05 | Clyphox | Hi Leeds |
| 09:26.33 | Clyphox | ... |
| 09:26.49 | Leeds | [$\ |
| 09:26.51 | wethrin | --- |
| 09:27.26 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 09:27.35 | Clyphox | life |
| 09:27.36 | wethrin | +++ATZ NO CARRIER |
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| 10:09.56 | Leeds | wethrin: I hope you didn't leave a pause between the +++ and the ATZ! |
| 10:10.58 | wethrin | Of course not :) |
| 11:17.55 | Leeds | just to confirm... no-one is aware of any formal-like Linux system call documentation? beyond the man pages, that is |
| 11:35.09 | wethrin | Nope. /usr/share/man/man2/ |
| 11:36.19 | Leeds | right |
| 11:39.11 | wethrin | You might be able to get books which list the syscalls |
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| 11:40.03 | Leeds | somewhat looking for a URL |
| 11:40.54 | wethrin | http://www.lxhp.in-berlin.de/lhpsyscc.html |
| 11:43.52 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 11:44.37 | Leeds | interesting, if incomprehensible |
| 11:52.31 | wethrin | Well, you wanted a URL :) |
| 11:53.50 | Leeds | anyway - my answer was pretty much a combination of RTFM and RTFS |
| 11:54.02 | wethrin | Sounds reasonable |
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| 11:57.46 | Leeds | uh-oh |
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| 11:57.57 | Leeds | uh-oh |
| 11:58.47 | wethrin | What have you broken? |
| 11:58.55 | Leeds | nothing |
| 11:58.59 | wethrin | yet? |
| 11:59.03 | Leeds | right |
| 11:59.08 | wethrin | Ah. |
| 11:59.28 | Leeds | formi has joined #gllug |
| 11:59.30 | wethrin | go home before the faeces hits the air movement device |
| 11:59.31 | Leeds | followed by |
| 11:59.37 | Leeds | zimm has joined #gllug |
| 12:00.21 | Leeds | hence uh-oh uh-oh |
| 12:00.40 | formi | Leeds: beware |
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| 12:01.28 | wethrin | Arrrr |
| 12:06.08 | zimm | wtf ? |
| 12:13.00 | Daddy-Cope | Hello sll |
| 12:13.45 | wethrin | Hello Daddy |
| 12:13.52 | wethrin | Congrats in order, then? |
| 12:16.03 | Daddy-Cope | Indeed! |
| 12:16.17 | Daddy-Cope | Baby William was born at 19.17 last night. |
| 12:17.33 | wethrin | When will you start introducing him to the ways of the geek? |
| 12:18.18 | Daddy-Cope | well, I thought of getting him a ketboard or an old broken laptop to bash with, once he can bash stuff. |
| 12:19.02 | Daddy-Cope | But when he's old enough to sit up straight, I'll get him a seat that bolts onto my desk so he can we with me when I am on the computer. |
| 12:19.16 | Daddy-Cope | And, of course, he will come with me to meet you guys soon! |
| 12:21.43 | Leeds | bringing him to the pub? :-) |
| 12:23.01 | Daddy-Cope | Indeed! We have a carrying sling thingy! |
| 12:24.11 | Leeds | http://www.grabonequick.com/faqs.asp |
| 12:25.15 | wethrin | Hmm. Does that mean he can be given whisky if he starts crying? :) |
| 12:25.32 | Leeds | not old enough for a bris yet |
| 12:26.29 | Daddy-Cope | Leeds: My champagne was yummy! |
| 12:26.41 | Leeds | Daddy-Cope: good to hear! How's Sophie doing? |
| 12:27.10 | Daddy-Cope | She's tired, but sounded cheerful when she called this morning; I'm off to visit her and William in half an hour. |
| 12:28.32 | Leeds | well... pass on the congrats :-) |
| 12:30.00 | Daddy-Cope | Well, that was encouraging! It was in the second place I looked. |
| 12:30.10 | Leeds | what was in the first place? |
| 12:32.29 | Daddy-Cope | Ah... the first place was plugged into the computer, but perhaps fallen down the back of the desk. |
| 12:32.31 | Leeds | *who* would buy a mortgage from spam??? |
| 12:34.55 | wethrin | Leeds: Probably too many people |
| 12:35.50 | Daddy-Cope | Woo! Very pleased with pics. |
| 12:37.19 | Leeds | hang on a mo!!!! |
| 12:37.27 | Leeds | Willie Nelson??? |
| 12:37.32 | Daddy-Cope | Okay, I have a list of files called p<increnmenting 7 digit number>; what's the quickest way to rename them, eg, baby1 baby2 etc? |
| 12:37.38 | Daddy-Cope | nod leeds |
| 12:37.50 | Daddy-Cope | Only took you 22 minutes! |
| 12:37.52 | wethrin | Daddy-Cope: Not nicely |
| 12:38.25 | wethrin | for i in * ; do mv $i baby$num ; num=$(( num + 1 )) ; done |
| 12:38.37 | wethrin | (setting num=0 initially, of course) |
| 12:38.40 | wethrin | (or 1) |
| 12:39.02 | Daddy-Cope | Ah, that makes sense, |
| 12:39.14 | wethrin | Even, baby$num.jpg |
| 12:40.08 | Daddy-Cope | Or even $1.jpg |
| 12:40.19 | Daddy-Cope | In a small script. |
| 12:42.52 | Leeds | Daddy-Cope: have you seen www.williamnelson.com? |
| 12:43.00 | Leeds | um |
| 12:43.04 | Leeds | don't go there if you're eating! |
| 12:43.07 | Daddy-Cope | Eww |
| 12:43.19 | wethrin | Is that anything like tubgirl.com ? |
| 12:43.32 | Leeds | wethrin: it's a redirect to abortionismurder.org |
| 12:43.42 | Leeds | with a very very very graphic picture up front |
| 12:43.44 | wethrin | Ah. |
| 12:43.50 | Daddy-Cope | Not friendly! |
| 12:44.49 | Leeds | sorry |
| 12:44.50 | wethrin | Errr. They have an exit popup. |
| 12:45.29 | wethrin | I don't have popup blocking turned on on work-Mozilla |
| 12:46.10 | Leeds | I have it turned on *everywhere* |
| 12:51.50 | zachary | Daddy-Cope: Congrats!! |
| 12:58.13 | wethrin | At lunchtime? |
| 12:58.44 | Leeds | yes |
| 12:59.06 | Leeds | why not? |
| 12:59.37 | wethrin | Hardly worth the effort any more :) |
| 13:01.32 | Leeds | sure it is! anyway, our VPN is a little on the blink |
| 13:12.22 | formi | http://www.redcoat.net/pics/I_love_my_blue_screen.jpg |
| 13:12.26 | formi | that's cute |
| 13:14.43 | formi | has anybody used argos' site? |
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| 13:15.22 | formi | im trying to find about availabilty in specific stores |
| 13:15.25 | Cope | Afternoon. |
| 13:15.29 | formi | hiya |
| 13:15.49 | Cope | http://wibbleworld.demon.co.uk/photos - 3 pics from yesterday |
| 13:16.32 | formi | cope, ever used argos' site? |
| 13:16.41 | Cope | wethrin: fatal mistake in script deleted about 6 pics; lesson learned: don't work directly on the mounted card! |
| 13:17.07 | Cope | formi: Nope... what's that? |
| 13:17.37 | formi | argos the catalogue |
| 13:17.44 | formi | as in www.argos.co.uk |
| 13:18.16 | formi | Cope: you are being cruel, poor kid, recently born and already on the net |
| 13:18.16 | Cope | Oh, yeah I have. |
| 13:18.56 | formi | do you know if you can find the availability of a specifc item on a specific store? |
| 13:19.20 | Cope | I don't think so, no. |
| 13:19.50 | formi | bad for them |
| 13:20.04 | formi | Cope|Visit: enjoy |
| 13:27.51 | Tarragon | formi: You can sort of check the argos, by reserving at a store. The site will then check against their stock system tell you if it is there |
| 13:29.01 | formi | my point is that i don't want to get to the store if they don't have it |
| 13:29.34 | formi | oh, sorry on second read i get your point |
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| 13:32.16 | ar | any idea what: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 means? |
| 13:33.53 | formi | was it produced under heavy load? |
| 13:34.16 | ar | not really |
| 13:34.34 | ar | i think i'm in denial that this disk might die :/ |
| 13:34.35 | Tarragon | How long have you had the drives? If this happens a lot it usually means the on board cache for modern disks is failing |
| 13:34.44 | ar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.07 | murble | ar: it could also mean you have a bad cable. |
| 13:35.20 | ar | hmmm, its worked fine for months |
| 13:35.44 | Tarragon | Whats the motherboard? |
| 13:35.57 | formi | ar: you live for years, the you die |
| 13:36.28 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 13:36.37 | formi | http://www.redcoat.net/pics/Bush2.jpg, obviusly |
| 13:37.02 | wethrin | Hm. That looks more like Prince Charles |
| 13:37.10 | ar | asus A7N8X i think |
| 13:37.19 | ar | formi: true |
| 13:38.37 | formi | wethrin: I thought so |
| 13:39.26 | formi | one talks to his flowers, the other to his socks |
| 13:39.34 | ar | Tarragon: it is quite an old drive |
| 13:41.12 | Tarragon | Everything online says it is a m/b problem, usually caused by heat. Do you have another machine you can swap the drive with? |
| 13:41.43 | Tarragon | Sorry reference should be http://www.pcguide.com/ts/x/sys/booterrGBER19-c.html |
| 13:42.28 | wethrin | You could get a Proper computer |
| 13:43.55 | ar | non-x86 i presume you mean? |
| 13:44.09 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:44.19 | ar | why bother, wehn x86 components are so cheap? |
| 13:44.35 | wethrin | So, tell me. Were you having trouble with your computer?: ) |
| 13:45.02 | ar | it's been perfectly stable for well over a year (since it was built) |
| 13:45.17 | wethrin | Ahh. So it's telling you it's upgrade-time, then :-) |
| 13:45.21 | ar | besides i reckon this is actually a disk problem |
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| 13:45.49 | ar | disk is definitely old enough to require replacemetn |
| 13:45.56 | Tarragon | wethrin 'Cos the difference is when a Mac goes wrong, it is so expensive to fix, you kill yourself and no one ever hears about it |
| 13:46.09 | wethrin | Tarragon: s/when/if/ (IME) |
| 13:46.35 | ar | macs are good, but not infallable |
| 13:46.51 | wethrin | Tarragon: Would you happen to have a power supply for a Powerbook 520c ? |
| 13:47.00 | ar | lol |
| 13:48.12 | Tarragon | No. I have a 170 but the voltage on that is only 7.5V at 1.2A |
| 13:48.35 | wethrin | Ah. I think I need more |
| 13:51.42 | ar | hmmm, i'm gonna reboot and see if the drive comes back :) |
| 13:51.44 | ar | bbiaf |
| 13:52.45 | Tarragon | The 520c uses the same PSU as the 520, 540 and 540c this should be min of 2A |
| 13:53.11 | wethrin | Right. Well, the conector is the main problem |
| 13:53.13 | formi | the 520c |
| 13:53.16 | formi | ah |
| 13:53.25 | wethrin | Otherwise it's not too hard to hook it up to an existing supply |
| 13:53.38 | formi | don't tell that's the one I gave away |
| 13:53.47 | wethrin | I'm not |
| 13:54.29 | formi | wethrin: I don't believe you |
| 13:59.39 | Leeds | mmm... free hobnobs |
| 14:01.22 | wethrin | *wants* |
| 14:02.49 | Leeds | free, best-before-tomorrow, hobnobs :-) |
| 14:03.33 | murble | eat emm quickly! |
| 14:04.59 | wethrin | While they're hot! |
| 14:05.21 | Tarragon | Hot hobnobs? |
| 14:05.39 | wethrin | Sure, if you leave them on a CPU too long |
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| 14:07.39 | wethrin | NisoDaemon! |
| 14:07.53 | NisoDaemon | Afternoon. |
| 14:08.15 | NisoDaemon | Should i expect tumble weeds or has it picked up in here recently? :) |
| 14:09.32 | wethrin | It's always fun in here :) |
| 14:09.34 | wethrin | (well, sometimes) |
| 14:09.44 | NisoDaemon | I must have missed that thiry seconds ;) |
| 14:09.59 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 14:10.36 | wethrin | If you just hang around, it does liven up |
| 14:10.58 | NisoDaemon | Ah but does the screen ever actually scroll ;) |
| 14:10.58 | Tarragon | Typical. NisoDaemon joins and everything goes quiet. |
| 14:11.08 | Leeds | yes! |
| 14:11.13 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 14:11.13 | NisoDaemon | I've always suspected that tara |
| 14:11.14 | wethrin | ibot logs |
| 14:11.17 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or ibot logs, jbot does not |
| 14:11.17 | Leeds | you did miss Daddy-Cope before |
| 14:11.31 | NisoDaemon | Daddy-Cope? |
| 14:11.49 | Leeds | Cope, recently become a Daddy |
| 14:11.59 | NisoDaemon | Ah ok. I was on the very wrong tracks with that one. |
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| 14:12.14 | Leeds | ? |
| 14:12.23 | ar | hi |
| 14:12.24 | NisoDaemon | I was thinking daddy on the prison sense. |
| 14:12.29 | NisoDaemon | WB ar |
| 14:12.38 | wethrin | Cope is teh Daddy! |
| 14:12.45 | Leeds | ah... |
| 14:12.45 | NisoDaemon | So where do all the Moz people hang out on openprojects? |
| 14:12.54 | NisoDaemon | mozilla, moz and firebird are all empty |
| 14:13.01 | NisoDaemon | Or is that just the effect of my arriving ;) |
| 14:13.12 | wethrin | What, you don't use IE? :) |
| 14:13.22 | NisoDaemon | Actually yes. |
| 14:13.31 | Leeds | it's possible they're not on opn? |
| 14:13.43 | NisoDaemon | Leeds: Thats crazy talk |
| 14:14.06 | NisoDaemon | Everyones on this network, or so i assumed from its speed :) |
| 14:14.13 | Leeds | ibot mozilla |
| 14:14.14 | | from memory, mozilla is made in JavaScript?, or great |
| 14:14.22 | Leeds | heh |
| 14:14.27 | NisoDaemon | Javascript? |
| 14:14.38 | wethrin | iboz mozilla is also a big bloated steaming pile |
| 14:14.40 | NisoDaemon | um.. the start up time suddenly becomes clear |
| 14:14.43 | wethrin | ibot mozilla is also a big bloated steaming pile |
| 14:14.44 | | wethrin: okay |
| 14:15.02 | Leeds | there is irc.mozilla.org - I don't know if that's an opn server or not |
| 14:15.22 | NisoDaemon | I need to log on to TWO servers? |
| 14:15.37 | wethrin | irssi handles it nicely |
| 14:15.38 | Leeds | you don't *need* to |
| 14:15.45 | Leeds | no-one is forcing you... |
| 14:16.06 | NisoDaemon | No chairs left in Sun but a surplus of Sunfires ey? :) |
| 14:16.11 | Tarragon | With commercial DVDs being written to more than one layer, How are films copied. Do they reduce the quality? |
| 14:16.46 | Leeds | Tarragon: combination of that, and stripping out extra features, soundtracks, etc... or so I've heard |
| 14:16.46 | ar | they usually get rid of the dolby digital |
| 14:17.58 | Leeds | one of the servers is in Holland, the other is in the US... my arse isn't *that* big |
| 14:18.18 | wethrin | Hmm. How many hobnobs were they giving away? :) |
| 14:18.24 | NisoDaemon | Changing the subject quickly ;) |
| 14:18.32 | NisoDaemon | You going FOSDEM this year? |
| 14:18.35 | NisoDaemon | Next year even |
| 14:18.36 | ar | Tarragon: tried rebooting earlier - hard disk started making nasty clicking noises :/ |
| 14:18.47 | wethrin | Yes. I plan to. |
| 14:18.54 | Leeds | yes... you? |
| 14:19.03 | NisoDaemon | Hell yes. Need to go job hunting ;) |
| 14:19.11 | wethrin | Can go up on the Friday - it's Reading Week at Uni. And Monday's lectures start (for me) at 1pm. |
| 14:19.24 | NisoDaemon | I'm going to try for the Friday as well |
| 14:19.30 | NisoDaemon | Nice easy first day |
| 14:19.38 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 14:19.41 | wethrin | Relaxed beer. |
| 14:19.44 | NisoDaemon | And then layin Saturday to avoid RMS dribbeling on stag. |
| 14:19.46 | Leeds | yeah, Friday... |
| 14:19.50 | NisoDaemon | stage even |
| 14:20.09 | Leeds | 12ish train? |
| 14:20.15 | wethrin | Sure. |
| 14:20.36 | Leeds | or shall we just book the 10ish and go at 12ish? :-) |
| 14:20.43 | NisoDaemon | I'm not that good at planning |
| 14:20.50 | NisoDaemon | I know i'm going and i have a guess as to the date |
| 14:20.57 | NisoDaemon | other than that i'll wing it |
| 14:21.13 | Leeds | NisoDaemon: I had to put my budget request in a while ago... |
| 14:21.23 | NisoDaemon | You get a budget? |
| 14:22.00 | wethrin | Leeds: Only if they cancel the train :) |
| 14:22.03 | Tarragon | ar: is the drive hot to the touch? |
| 14:22.13 | wethrin | Beers are on Leeds! |
| 14:22.14 | NisoDaemon | Did you two get caught with that last year? |
| 14:22.35 | Leeds | NisoDaemon: got bumped from 10ish to 12ish - got a 50% off voucher :-) |
| 14:22.36 | wethrin | Yes. So we get 50% discount on the next return journey |
| 14:22.45 | ar | smart reports its at 34 C |
| 14:22.54 | NisoDaemon | Ah right, we were on the later train anyway so didn't bother us ;) |
| 14:23.10 | NisoDaemon | This year i plan on being in the official hotel |
| 14:23.11 | Leeds | I ended up sitting next to Josette, completely by co-incidence... which was nice |
| 14:23.20 | ar | Tarragon: it isn't hot to touch - just warm |
| 14:23.25 | NisoDaemon | did you pickpocket? :) |
| 14:23.31 | Leeds | hah |
| 14:23.33 | ar | although, it has been off a little while |
| 14:23.54 | NisoDaemon | I've got this image of Leeds sliding books back through the gap in the seats to Dan |
| 14:24.18 | Leeds | IIRC Dan was a little bit further up the train having filesystem problems with a Mac |
| 14:24.19 | Tarragon | clickings sounds are generally the result of bad heads being unable to calibrate with the servo tracks, the result is the drive keep resetting. |
| 14:24.38 | NisoDaemon | Can we book a carraige? :) |
| 14:24.52 | NisoDaemon | And a typing course for me... |
| 14:25.05 | wethrin | I didn't have a Mac with me |
| 14:25.26 | NisoDaemon | I did and i got some guy wandering around asking for help with mutt on macs. Very odd trip. |
| 14:25.33 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:25.48 | Leeds | in which case, maybe I suggested you talk to the guy with the Mac with fs trouble... |
| 14:25.48 | NisoDaemon | I'd had my mac maybe a week and he was asking for help |
| 14:25.52 | ar | Tarragon: can that be brough on by heat? |
| 14:25.57 | Leeds | NisoDaemon: ah, so that was you? |
| 14:26.45 | NisoDaemon | I was sitting quitly and Hearns sent him my way. |
| 14:26.57 | wethrin | Ahh. It's *his* fault. |
| 14:27.12 | NisoDaemon | "I have problems with HFS+ and mutt and its only since the 10.2 blah update." "I've had my macfive working days..." |
| 14:27.25 | NisoDaemon | he looked very unimpressed. |
| 14:27.29 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 14:27.39 | NisoDaemon | its ALWAYS hearns fault |
| 14:27.45 | NisoDaemon | At least on some level |
| 14:27.52 | wethrin | Just look at him and go "Mutt? Hah!" |
| 14:28.01 | NisoDaemon | I like mutt... |
| 14:28.06 | irvined | Can you tell linux to rescan the scsi bus if you add a new device? |
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| 14:28.13 | irvined | mUTT. Bah. |
| 14:28.15 | wethrin | Unload the SCSI module, and reload it |
| 14:28.22 | wethrin | NisoDaemon: That's beside the point :) |
| 14:28.33 | Leeds | "waddya mean there's no SCSI module?" |
| 14:28.37 | irvined | :) |
| 14:28.38 | NisoDaemon | Ah never let facts get involved in a good argument :) |
| 14:28.44 | wethrin | Indeed. |
| 14:28.57 | NisoDaemon | The unofficial gllug policy :) |
| 14:29.22 | NisoDaemon | Anyone here speaking this time? |
| 14:29.27 | wethrin | *un*official? |
| 14:29.37 | irvined | that would mean unmounting root, a bit too challenging. |
| 14:29.48 | NisoDaemon | I thought the official one was "don't mention the russian" |
| 14:30.01 | wethrin | DYM the Yugoslavian? |
| 14:30.02 | Leeds | not Russian... |
| 14:30.22 | Leeds | "remember you are not a salmon" |
| 14:30.27 | NisoDaemon | Yeah, he always called me Dave so i always called him Russain. Pissed him off more than he wound me up :) |
| 14:30.38 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 14:30.52 | NisoDaemon | And saying 'Da' all the time |
| 14:30.58 | wethrin | Niet! |
| 14:31.06 | NisoDaemon | LOL |
| 14:31.07 | Leeds | Nyet |
| 14:31.12 | wethrin | That too |
| 14:31.21 | wethrin | It's Nie in Polish |
| 14:31.48 | NisoDaemon | Should i be impressed or worried? :) |
| 14:31.48 | murble | didn't we bomb Yugoslavia to bits? |
| 14:31.57 | NisoDaemon | Murble, it was like that when we got there |
| 14:32.06 | Leeds | yeah, it was already in bits first |
| 14:32.09 | murble | NisoDaemon: thought it was bombed first. |
| 14:32.11 | wethrin | murble: That's a big objection of I***'s |
| 14:32.12 | Leeds | that was sort of the problem |
| 14:32.43 | murble | wethrin: well he should have stayed home and done his military service and it may never have happened! |
| 14:32.58 | NisoDaemon | Critical infrastructure was destoryed in ten minutes by one child with a catapult |
| 14:34.41 | Tarragon | They did shoot down a stealth bomber with a shotgun |
| 14:34.59 | NisoDaemon | Yeah but the plane and the shooter were both American :) |
| 14:35.30 | wethrin | NisoDaemon: Who needs enemies when you're fighting alongside the US? |
| 14:35.59 | NisoDaemon | Well we did manage to crash our own copters a good few tikes, America doesn't always lead in stupidity. |
| 14:36.10 | NisoDaemon | Just most of the time |
| 14:36.19 | Tarragon | Anyone know why Debian has not published a security vulnerability since 17 Nov? |
| 14:36.38 | formi | somebody in .es threw a stone to a helicopter and it crashed |
| 14:36.55 | NisoDaemon | Thats called high tech in .es :P |
| 14:37.06 | NisoDaemon | "Invasion, quick get the rocks" |
| 14:37.38 | NisoDaemon | Tarra: They probably don't have access to the mail servers any more ;) |
| 14:38.12 | Leeds | yeah - just 'one big' security announcement |
| 14:38.24 | NisoDaemon | "We wuz 0w3n3d" |
| 14:38.51 | NisoDaemon | Signed with the compromised gpg key and distributed with rsync ;) |
| 14:38.59 | Leeds | heh |
| 14:39.10 | NisoDaemon | Tis not been a good month |
| 14:39.19 | NisoDaemon | Although savanna getting attacked was interesting |
| 14:39.35 | NisoDaemon | Can they not break into Sourceforge and delete most of the projects? |
| 14:39.40 | NisoDaemon | Think of it as pennace |
| 14:40.59 | Leeds | most of the projects on SF are just "We're going to reinvent the wheel - we've got a C book, so if you want to join us, sign up!" anyway |
| 14:41.30 | NisoDaemon | Exactly, select * from projects where type="editor" and name != "vim" |
| 14:41.40 | NisoDaemon | And delete the fsckers :) |
| 14:41.58 | Leeds | hah |
| 14:42.03 | NisoDaemon | Emacs should be fine as near as dammit self hosting |
| 14:42.07 | Leeds | and IRC clients... |
| 14:42.23 | NisoDaemon | Mp3 software, photo albums... the list is annoying long |
| 14:42.31 | Leeds | they shouldn't let new projects be created until they have code |
| 14:43.07 | NisoDaemon | mandatory archiving. No updates in six weeks, the pages get ripped down and a .tgz gets put in /unmaintained/ |
| 14:43.30 | Leeds | well... |
| 14:43.42 | Leeds | six weeks maybe a little harsh |
| 14:43.42 | NisoDaemon | I was looking for a socks5 proxy last week and found about eight old ones that don't work on freshmeat |
| 14:43.52 | Leeds | dante? |
| 14:43.54 | NisoDaemon | Yeah, good aint it :) |
| 14:43.59 | NisoDaemon | About the harsh that is |
| 14:44.08 | wethrin | Yes. Specially as if a project is deemed to be stable, it might not need many updates |
| 14:44.29 | Leeds | right |
| 14:45.10 | NisoDaemon | Never actuaoly tried Dante. Do you recommend it or just heard of it? |
| 14:45.20 | NisoDaemon | Weth, thats what the rsync people thought :) |
| 14:45.21 | Leeds | I did use Dante a bit... |
| 14:45.44 | wethrin | NisoDaemon: Yes, well. Then they released a security update when necessary |
| 14:45.47 | NisoDaemon | My employers use socks5 which is not allowed for commercial use so i need to get around to replacing it. |
| 14:46.03 | NisoDaemon | weth, can rsync send email? No, then it needs updates ;) |
| 14:47.26 | wethrin | Can it IRC? |
| 14:48.38 | NisoDaemon | See, the oppotunities are endles! |
| 14:48.44 | wethrin | I know |
| 14:48.59 | wethrin | Whatever happened to the Unix philosophy of one small program that does one thing, well? |
| 14:49.03 | NisoDaemon | Maybe six weeks was a little harse |
| 14:49.18 | NisoDaemon | Weth, all the old unix people died. |
| 14:49.28 | NisoDaemon | welcome to the age of bloat. |
| 14:49.38 | wethrin | Bwah |
| 14:49.44 | NisoDaemon | hehe |
| 14:49.51 | wethrin | BSD isn't too bloated yet :) Unlike GNU |
| 14:50.04 | NisoDaemon | Wait till you see the new options to ifconfig ;) |
| 14:50.16 | NisoDaemon | ifconfig irc openprojects.net #gllug |
| 14:50.18 | NisoDaemon | hehe |
| 14:50.18 | wethrin | Oh dear..... :) |
| 14:50.58 | NisoDaemon | Right, i'm going to go Mozilla coder hunting. I'll catch you all later. |
| 14:51.19 | wethrin | Hm. He needs a harpoon |
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| 14:53.05 | jason_ukfsn | afternoon |
| 14:53.09 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 14:53.38 | Leeds | hmm... nisodaemon quits, jason_ukfsn appears... have they ever been seen in the same room (physical or virtual) together? |
| 14:54.01 | wethrin | Now that you mention it... |
| 14:58.15 | jason_ukfsn | I am half expecting a flurry of posts to the list just to see who get's last post on the old server. |
| 14:58.42 | wethrin | Mmm. "LAST POST!!!!" |
| 15:11.11 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: will the List-Id header change? |
| 15:17.58 | murble | will it catch fire? |
| 15:18.53 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat - yes. it will be gllug.gllug.org.uk once the change has finished. |
| 15:19.02 | jason_ukfsn | murble: only on Tuesdays |
| 15:29.23 | wethrin | Hrm. This requires me to update my filters. Mutter mutter |
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| 15:30.44 | wethrin | 'lo WiseGoose |
| 15:30.47 | WiseGoose | hello |
| 15:31.00 | wethrin | Bored enough to join us in our realm of geekness? :) |
| 15:31.25 | WiseGoose | no, curious about what happened in Semaphores |
| 15:31.38 | wethrin | Not much, really |
| 15:31.54 | WiseGoose | did he provide the right answer? |
| 15:32.03 | wethrin | He got some people to do their solutions on the board, and picked holes in them |
| 15:32.05 | wethrin | Nope. |
| 15:32.16 | Leeds | people waved flags around? |
| 15:32.23 | WiseGoose | oh. that sounds unpleasant |
| 15:32.51 | WiseGoose | glad I didn't go |
| 15:33.06 | wethrin | .oO(Wuthering heights using semaphore) |
| 15:33.13 | wethrin | It wasn't particularly worthwhile |
| 15:33.20 | wethrin | Publunch was, though :) |
| 15:33.29 | WiseGoose | :-) |
| 15:33.56 | WiseGoose | worth staying around just for the pub lunch? |
| 15:34.11 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 15:34.19 | wethrin | Marlborough Arms does good food |
| 15:34.24 | wethrin | An unexpensive, too |
| 15:34.33 | WiseGoose | did he pick holes in your answer too? |
| 15:34.44 | wethrin | I didn't go to the board. |
| 15:34.56 | WiseGoose | don't think I've eaten there. It was full when I tried. |
| 15:35.07 | wethrin | I avoided that, erm, pleasantry. |
| 15:35.35 | WiseGoose | so do you think that yours might be right? |
| 15:35.37 | wethrin | Going there early or late is good. 1pm is a bad time. |
| 15:35.46 | wethrin | Hm. I think that mine is mostly right. |
| 15:35.57 | WiseGoose | yes, I guess it probably is |
| 15:36.15 | wethrin | He did say that in real life, you'd do it in a completely different way, anyway |
| 15:36.29 | WiseGoose | oh great! |
| 15:36.30 | wethrin | http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20031204/107055000003.html |
| 15:36.38 | wethrin | .oO(Monty Python, anyone) |
| 15:36.57 | wethrin | Yep. This was merely an exercise in confusion |
| 15:37.51 | WiseGoose | oh my god! |
| 15:38.15 | WiseGoose | someone got far too into Monty P |
| 15:39.47 | wethrin | Yes |
| 15:39.56 | WiseGoose | anyway - I've got to go to Boots |
| 15:40.05 | wethrin | Have fun :) |
| 15:40.17 | WiseGoose | :-) hmmm |
| 15:40.22 | WiseGoose | see you later |
| 15:40.26 | wethrin | c'ya |
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| 16:08.52 | JD | who was WiseGoose? |
| 16:14.50 | jason_ukfsn | OK folks I've had first post to the list at it's new home. You should all have received it. |
| 16:15.34 | Leeds | woo! |
| 16:15.39 | Leeds | got it :-) |
| 16:16.10 | jason_ukfsn | Now we just wait for all the complaints about filters breaking ;) |
| 16:16.28 | wethrin | JD: Friend from Uni |
| 16:17.29 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: someone needs to change links on gllug.org.uk homepage still going to ftech |
| 16:18.27 | wethrin | ARGH. Fuck 'Open Magazine'. Fuck it right up its hairy overworn arse. |
| 16:19.17 | Leeds | wethrin: ??? |
| 16:20.24 | wethrin | Oh, they sold my email address to some con-pany that is surveying job advertisements |
| 16:20.49 | Leeds | ah, lovely |
| 16:21.20 | wethrin | It's a 'legit' thing (i.e. not a scam). But it pisses me off. Maybe I'll go and skew their statistics for fun. |
| 16:21.27 | wethrin | Who wants to help? |
| 16:23.28 | wethrin | Hah. 'Failed login'. Can't even do that |
| 16:26.19 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: is the email address you gave them a "personal" one? If so they have commited an unlawful act. Report them to the info commisioner |
| 16:41.13 | wethrin | Hmmmmm :) |
| 16:41.30 | wethrin | http://www.itracks.com/jobadsurvey2/ if you want to help skew some statistics |
| 16:46.54 | jason_ukfsn | Answer to the question which publications do you advertise jobs in : Top Shelf Publications |
| 16:47.03 | wethrin | Heh :) |
| 16:47.15 | wethrin | I just answered "THIS SURVEY. IS POINTLESS. DON'T SPAM ME WITH IT" |
| 16:48.29 | jason_ukfsn | Papers I advertise jobs in : Lesbian Dommes, Lesbian Subs, etc |
| 16:49.12 | wethrin | Heh :) |
| 16:49.42 | wethrin | "Lesbian Spammers Digest" |
| 16:51.08 | jason_ukfsn | Cheeky bastards. |
| 16:51.21 | wethrin | Yes |
| 16:51.54 | jason_ukfsn | When you get to the section where you are supposed to choose which ad package the radio buttons are actually images - you cannot select the one you want. They select the "I want eveyrthing you offer" one. |
| 16:52.17 | wethrin | Actually, they're only sample screens |
| 16:53.11 | jason_ukfsn | yes I just realised. |
| 16:53.49 | jason_ukfsn | It wont accept the None of these option on the real form though. |
| 16:54.25 | wethrin | Hm. "How many locations do you have in the US" Fuck off. Where's the 0 option? |
| 16:54.37 | wethrin | Are you so closed minded that comapnies can't exist outside the US? |
| 16:57.04 | jason_ukfsn | Which best describes your companies business: Pimpin' |
| 16:57.09 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:57.23 | wethrin | "Answering pointless surveys that were spammed out" |
| 16:58.04 | jason_ukfsn | How are they going to notify me if I win the prize? I didn't give them an address. I am so disappointed :( |
| 16:59.14 | agk | you got the database survey too? |
| 16:59.16 | wethrin | Same |
| 16:59.20 | wethrin | agk: No. |
| 16:59.24 | agk | "For the next question, consider the following scenario: |
| 16:59.24 | agk | SAP announces several years from now that there is a new database it has produced which is robust and reliable enough to be used even for the largest SAP installations, and that SAP will support it." |
| 16:59.34 | agk | Suppose that SAP also says the database licenses are completely free of charge, that support fees will stay about the same as they are now, and that developers around the world can see its source code and suggest improvements, subject to SAP's approval. |
| 16:59.34 | agk | How willing would you be to trust that database to run SAP for your company? |
| 16:59.56 | agk | (was an Open Magazine spam) |
| 17:00.21 | agk | "SAP has recently partnered with a company named MySQL AB to develop a database robust enough to replace IBM DB2, Oracle and Microsoft SQL Server in SAP installations. Licenses for the database would be free of charge or, if customers desired, offered under a commercial license at nominal cost (as low as $1,500 per server). It would be available to any person or company in the world, whether used to run SAP or for any other purpose. The source co |
| 17:00.21 | agk | de for the database would be open to the public." |
| 17:00.39 | agk | "How likely or unlikely do think that venture will be successful?" |
| 17:00.56 | jason_ukfsn | Answer: Not at all - I believe that SAP stands for Satanists And Ponces |
| 17:01.21 | wethrin | *snrrk* Completely missing the point. |
| 17:01.58 | jason_ukfsn | I would not trust them - they are trying to hide the fact that it's GPL'd and therefore owned by SCO ;) |
| 17:02.00 | wethrin | I'd still go for Oracle in preference of MySQL, if the data is really that important |
| 17:02.58 | Leeds | hang on... $1500 is nominal? |
| 17:03.15 | agk | I guess so - per server not per connection |
| 17:04.11 | agk | It was just funny seeing pages and pages of general questions about your company database usage - then suddenly a question mentions SAP |
| 17:04.51 | wethrin | Don't all companies run SAP? :) |
| 17:05.57 | agk | ( http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid5_gci938567,00.html ) |
| 17:06.10 | wethrin | Will you be at OxLUG midmonth drinks? |
| 17:06.19 | agk | hope so |
| 17:06.38 | agk | they moved it from Weds to Tues to make it more likely I could be there |
| 17:06.59 | wethrin | Cool :) |
| 17:07.03 | wethrin | Hmm. |
| 17:07.17 | agk | so SAP is great |
| 17:07.32 | wethrin | Yes yes. We should all buy SAP? :) |
| 17:07.37 | agk | definitely |
| 17:08.11 | wethrin | Hm. Care to comment on "SAP has helped Sistina develop relationships with SUSE and RedHat"? |
| 17:08.52 | agk | just what it says |
| 17:08.59 | agk | I know no more than that |
| 17:09.00 | wethrin | Fair enough |
| 17:09.13 | agk | (and wouldn't say any more if I did) |
| 17:11.20 | Leeds | buy SAP... run it on Solaris... |
| 17:12.38 | Leeds | blah |
| 17:15.55 | wethrin | Complain to Slashdot because there's no GPLed equivalent |
| 17:19.24 | Leeds | sure there is! |
| 17:19.28 | Leeds | MySQL on Linux |
| 17:19.36 | wethrin | Heh |
| 17:21.22 | highbury | Leeds, it looks like they just released the December update to Solaris9 x86, so I just got confused/caught be the changeover |
| 17:21.30 | wethrin | Pint noir? |
| 17:21.46 | zachary | wine |
| 17:21.51 | wethrin | PINT! |
| 17:22.06 | zachary | could be if I used a different glass |
| 17:22.15 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:22.17 | wethrin | Down it... |
| 17:22.23 | Leeds | heh |
| 17:22.24 | zachary | no, rather not. |
| 17:23.50 | wethrin | Hum. Working 3 days next week. |
| 17:24.31 | Leeds | Hum. Working 5 days next week. |
| 17:25.19 | wethrin | Yes, but you're full-time. And I'm a lazy student :) |
| 17:25.25 | wethrin | (supposedly) |
| 17:25.35 | jason_ukfsn | OK time to be a dad |
| 17:25.58 | wethrin | Although Roger said it'd be okay if I took a couple of hours to rack $machine :) |
| 17:26.23 | wethrin | Oh. Don't forget Dead Ringers this Sunday, and LOTR on Thursday. |
| 17:29.28 | Leeds | hmm, Dead Ringers and LOTR? |
| 17:29.48 | wethrin | Yes. See you on Sunday, around 6 at TV Centre. |
| 17:29.54 | Leeds | what's this about? |
| 17:31.08 | wethrin | Might be back late(r) this evening; might not. |
| 17:31.22 | Leeds | seeya |
| 17:48.19 | Leeds | ibot change 50.96 CAD to GBP |
| 18:00.35 | Leeds | and I've just added a new country to the "places I've bought from online" list :-) |
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| 18:19.55 | sash | How's Cope et family? |
| 18:21.51 | Leeds | last thing we heard, Sophie was tired but happy and he was going to visit... and has some good photos |
| 18:22.05 | Leeds | and William is fine - dunno details |
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| 19:25.21 | agk | Did Jason scare everyone off posting with his message? |
| 19:26.18 | Leeds | possibly :-) |
| 19:26.55 | agk | I could forward some lug.org.uk enquiries to the list to get it going again... " Sir i need information that what is a minimum salary of Linux +administrator & also a person have certification in CCNA & CCNP Thanking in anticipation" |
| 19:27.17 | agk | "I\'m a member of Hampshire LUG and I am also involved in SchoolForge-UK, the +voluntary organisation that promotes the use of Free, Libre and Open Source +Software in Education. We\'re having a conference in February in London. +Confirmed speakers include two MPs and a Professor, along with many people +already working with FLOSS in schools. All we need now are delegates! If other +LUGs are anything like Hants, then there may be |
| 19:27.18 | agk | several members who would be +interested in attending the conference." |
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| 19:39.42 | Leeds | so where did the silly FLOSS thing come from, anyway |
| 19:40.31 | irvined | evening all. |
| 19:43.45 | stephanb | evening |
| 19:51.29 | murble | is that land or crash? |
| 19:51.32 | stephanb | Leeds: this is a very good question : as Jesus, never went to Mars, why would the MArtians celebrate Christmas ? |
| 19:52.00 | Leeds | I didn't mean in any religious way! |
| 19:52.01 | murble | stephanb: no reason why they shouldn't miss out of xmas presents, or target practice. |
| 19:52.24 | stephanb | Leeds: but, on the other hand, if Jesus is really the son of Gd, he should be a universal, so the martians should know about him |
| 19:52.25 | Leeds | I meant in the sense of it being a national holiday, a day when a lot of people have the TV on, and so on |
| 19:52.51 | new2unix | stephanb: even martians are entitled to holidays |
| 19:54.52 | JD | w00t 14th April for ADSL |
| 19:55.22 | Leeds | JD: joining the modern world? |
| 19:55.28 | JD | Leeds: hopefully |
| 19:59.12 | Leeds | good :-) |
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| 20:11.25 | Jenson | grtr i just had to boot into windows to be able to access a job application for ffs |
| 20:14.41 | *** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-215-124.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 20:23.17 | new2unix | ibot sing |
| 20:23.19 | | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" |
| 20:24.12 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 20:24.21 | Leeds | "UK tour" "Sheffield, Belfast and Dublin" |
| 20:24.30 | Leeds | some slight problem there I think |
| 20:25.23 | new2unix | Leeds: yeah. they missed out Birmingham. :) |
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| 20:26.05 | Jenson | grr this job application form is printing loads of blank pages with just the footer at the bottom, fscking bad design |
| 20:26.20 | Leeds | not quite what I was thinking... |
| 20:26.31 | Leeds | new2unix: so, am I picking a PC up from you tomorrow? |
| 20:26.53 | new2unix | leeds: really? tomorrow? |
| 20:27.04 | Leeds | no?' |
| 20:27.06 | new2unix | Leeds: Time? |
| 20:27.15 | Leeds | night |
| 20:27.50 | Leeds | my sister is having her church-warming... |
| 20:28.39 | new2unix | Leeds: Cool. that would give me plenty of time to get it together. Its a bit dusty at the mo. and i need to connect the floppy drive i think |
| 20:29.07 | Leeds | cool... |
| 20:29.14 | Leeds | oh, and you're invited across the road for a drink :-) |
| 20:29.49 | new2unix | Leeds: thanks, do they have irc? hehe |
| 20:30.23 | Leeds | no computer yet, AFAIK |
| 20:50.07 | new2unix | Thinking of hitting the fairs tomorrow. Does anyone know what a 60G drive should cost these days? |
| 20:52.16 | Leeds | no more than 35 quid |
| 20:52.31 | Leeds | considering a 120 should be no more than about 65-70 |
| 20:52.44 | Leeds | *maybe* 40 for the 40 |
| 20:52.45 | Leeds | 60 |
| 20:52.53 | Leeds | maybe 40 quid for the 60 gig |
| 20:53.23 | new2unix | thanks |
| 20:53.39 | Leeds | unless I'm talking crap, which is possible... |
| 20:55.24 | zachary | Leeds: You ARE talking crap! |
| 20:55.29 | zachary | just kidding |
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| 20:59.42 | zachary | new2unix: I'll second the 40quid for 60 gig |
| 21:01.32 | new2unix | just found out ive used up 97% of 15gig i allocated to /home |
| 21:02.13 | new2unix | bittorrent can be so addictive :) |
| 21:13.24 | agk | anyone here going to the dorkbot tomorrow? |
| 21:13.38 | agk | http://www.dorkbot.org/dorkbotlondon/ |
| 21:13.47 | agk | I went last year and it was, well, a bit wierd. |
| 21:18.00 | new2unix | agk: looks interesting. |
| 21:18.29 | agk | there are apparently still some places left |
| 21:18.53 | new2unix | agk: it says you have to register, though its free entrance. |
| 21:19.09 | agk | photos from last year: http://alumni.ox.compsoc.net/~agk/photos/Dorkbot/1st_Birthday/ |
| 21:19.18 | agk | yes, just register by subscribing to the mailing list |
| 21:19.37 | agk | last year they didn't bother checking whether people had actually registered or not - they let everyone in |
| 21:20.38 | agk | "Feed the world / The total cost of ownership" |
| 21:21.22 | agk | I wonder if he's got round to installing linux on his laptop yet |
| 21:54.44 | wethrin | 'lo |
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| 22:08.54 | Cope|Visit | Evening |
| 22:09.04 | Jenson|Away | Cope: Congratulations! |
| 22:09.57 | Cope | Thank you! |
| 22:10.05 | Jenson|Away | yw |
| 22:10.10 | Jenson|Away | hope to see you all when its a good time |
| 22:11.24 | Cope | Yeah, surely. |
| 22:12.10 | Jenson|Away | anyway, im off, my boy/f is here, but i had to just say that first, and pass it on to Sohpie for mwe |
| 22:12.17 | Jenson|Away | s/mwe/me |
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| 22:20.27 | Cope | wethrin: You know, I was wondering that too! |
| 22:20.52 | wethrin | DIVIDE AND CONQUER! |
| 22:20.53 | Marios_ | Wethrin ....there is an explanation |
| 22:21.27 | wethrin | There is? |
| 22:21.31 | Marios_ | boyfriend means boyfriend |
| 22:21.38 | wethrin | Yes and? |
| 22:21.43 | Marios_ | boy friend means a guy friend |
| 22:21.48 | wethrin | Yes... |
| 22:21.55 | Marios_ | so probably boy/f is the guy friend |
| 22:22.00 | Marios_ | and not the boyfriend |
| 22:22.03 | Cope | But it isn't. |
| 22:22.10 | wethrin | But it's not |
| 22:22.25 | Marios_ | maybe it doesn |
| 22:22.31 | Marios_ | maybe it doesn't apply in this case |
| 22:22.42 | Cope | Maybe its just a strange Jensonism. |
| 22:23.09 | Marios_ | :) |
| 22:23.16 | Cope | I understand bf |
| 22:23.25 | wethrin | That's just an annoying shorthand. |
| 22:23.34 | Cope | but why type boy/f - could as well type boyfr |
| 22:23.51 | wethrin | Dunno. You're dividing a boy by f? |
| 22:24.00 | Cope | Well, that's what I thought... |
| 22:24.08 | Marios_ | lol |
| 22:24.24 | Cope | I was going to ask what f was, to stand a chance of a solution. |
| 22:24.38 | wethrin | Could it be a generic function? |
| 22:24.44 | Cope | Its not very easy typing with marigolds on your hands.... |
| 22:24.55 | Marios_ | it can't be zero though |
| 22:25.01 | wethrin | True |
| 22:25.10 | Cope | We're narrowing it down. |
| 22:25.29 | Cope | ibot google for boy/f |
| 22:26.05 | Cope | ibot google for "boy/f" |
| 22:26.14 | Cope | Hmm. |
| 22:26.31 | Cope | Anyway, dishes.... biab |
| 22:27.53 | Marios_ | don't you have a dishwasher? |
| 22:28.56 | wethrin | You still need to set it going |
| 22:29.32 | Marios_ | well right after I eat I put the plates in the dishwasher |
| 22:30.53 | Marios_ | wethrin << staying home on Friday night? |
| 22:45.37 | Cope | Marios_ - I -am- the dishwasher. |
| 22:46.21 | Cope | High-reliability, energy efficient, environmentally friendly, built-in quality control, multi-tasking mode optional. |
| 22:47.30 | Cope | But remember, the Cope Dishwasher is not available in the shops, so call now to order your 7 day home trial! Remember, offer is only available while stocks last! |
| 22:51.46 | new2unix | Cope: but what about TCO? |
| 22:52.51 | new2unix | Cope: is Cope Dishwasher cheaper than the alternative over a 1 year period? |
| 22:53.04 | Cope | Guarateed, or your money back. |
| 22:59.33 | Marios_ | lol |
| 22:59.37 | new2unix | phew! that was close. just did a rm /* |
| 22:59.41 | new2unix | thankfully i made an alias to rm -i |
| 23:00.11 | new2unix | was supposed to rm ./* from my spare partition :) |
| 23:02.11 | Cope | I seem to remember the three having different 'markets' One was more desktop, one was more server, one was kinda both. |
| 23:02.18 | Cope | anyone care to enlighten me? |
| 23:02.40 | new2unix | FreeBSD for desktops mostly |
| 23:02.51 | new2unix | OpenBSD for servers |
| 23:03.15 | new2unix | NetBSD for all others including Desktops, servers and toasters |
| 23:03.27 | wethrin | Marios_: No - I had band practice |
| 23:04.00 | wethrin | new2unix: FreeBSD makes a great server environment, too |
| 23:04.39 | new2unix | wethrin: i prefer NetBSD :) |
| 23:05.25 | Marios_ | why BSD over Linux for servers? |
| 23:05.26 | wethrin | Hmm....I'd tend to go for Open for most servers. Free if high performance is an absolute must (e.g. database system) |
| 23:05.27 | new2unix | wethrin: had it on two boxes here untill two months ago when debian too over one and Slackware the other :) |
| 23:05.32 | wethrin | Because Linux sucks :) |
| 23:05.56 | Marios_ | no it doesn't |
| 23:06.09 | new2unix | wethrin: FreeBSD is the Linux of the BSD world |
| 23:06.21 | wethrin | new2unix: Except it doesn't suck ;-) |
| 23:06.44 | wethrin | Marios_: Sure it does. It's the Microsoft of the Unix/Unix-type world |
| 23:06.46 | new2unix | wethrin: no, not as much as windows it doesnt |
| 23:07.52 | wethrin | Most things don't suck as much as Windows. Except Debian. |
| 23:08.19 | new2unix | ibot sing |
| 23:08.21 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 23:08.30 | new2unix | ibot whistle |
| 23:08.32 | | new2unix: i haven't a clue |
| 23:11.22 | wethrin | If I had an SMP x86 system, FreeBSD would go on it. |
| 23:11.48 | wethrin | $random_hardware would get NetBSD, *if* I can't get hold of the native OS to work |
| 23:13.35 | Cope | Hmm. |
| 23:13.53 | Cope | What are the differences between them? |
| 23:14.16 | wethrin | Too numerous to mention |
| 23:14.53 | Cope | Ok, so its not like linux where you have kernel+installer+package_managenent = distro? |
| 23:15.38 | Cope | wethrin: What do you mean 'linux is the microsoft of unix world' - because its popular? |
| 23:15.50 | new2unix | Cope: FreeBSD has more ports or software ported over to it from Linux and therefore has more users. They seem to be the loudest of the BSD bunch. OpenBSD claim to be the most secure OS ever built while NetBSd just gets the job done :) |
| 23:16.17 | Cope | Ok. |
| 23:16.28 | wethrin | Cope: And generally bloated |
| 23:16.47 | Cope | Does one generally tend to build from source etc, as I have done with slack? |
| 23:17.03 | wethrin | Using Ports, yes. |
| 23:17.14 | wethrin | Or you could just go straight for the binary Packages |
| 23:17.33 | Cope | Ok.. and is there a bsd compiler? How -different- is it from linux is my question, I guess. |
| 23:17.51 | Cope | I'm not sure I understand the conceptual difference. |
| 23:20.37 | wethrin | Cope: Yes. It's called gcc. |
| 23:21.03 | Cope | Ok, that's what I meant. |
| 23:21.04 | wethrin | Well.....you could argue, they're both Unix, or Unix-like systems |
| 23:21.22 | Cope | But... :o) |
| 23:21.57 | wethrin | The BSDs tend to be rock solid |
| 23:23.45 | Cope | ie more secure? Why would that be? |
| 23:23.52 | Cope | Or more stable? |
| 23:25.10 | wethrin | Both |
| 23:25.38 | wethrin | Open tends to be far more secure because of extensive code audits |
| 23:25.54 | wethrin | They tend to be more stable because of a much tighter development structure |
| 23:26.26 | wethrin | Only a handful of people have CVS write access to the repositories |
| 23:27.37 | Cope | Is there a truism that would help me choose between the 3, eg Free = RedHat, Open = Slackware, Net = Suse? |
| 23:29.20 | wethrin | No :) |
| 23:30.40 | Cope | Cool... I only need a floppy to start? |
| 23:30.53 | Cope | OpenBSD - 1 x 1.44M floppy. |
| 23:31.52 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 23:31.57 | wethrin | The others you need two. |
| 23:33.05 | Cope | Hmm... freebsd is the microsoft of bsd? |
| 23:33.35 | wethrin | I guess :) |
| 23:33.48 | Cope | What is OSX built on? |
| 23:35.52 | wethrin | Darwin |
| 23:36.10 | Cope | hmm. |
| 23:36.12 | wethrin | Mach microkernel, with a more FreeBSD-ish userland |
| 23:36.29 | Cope | Clever stuff. |
| 23:37.26 | wethrin | Microkernels are rather shiny |
| 23:46.26 | Marios_ | wethrin << there was a big debate between microkernels and monolithic kernels |
| 23:47.52 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 23:48.24 | wethrin | Right back 12 years ago |
| 23:48.47 | wethrin | It was decides that microkernels were far better architecturally, but monolithic ones were faster |
| 23:48.52 | wethrin | *decided |
| 23:50.07 | Cope | wethrin: have you been a mac fan for a long time, or only since osx? |
| 23:50.15 | Marios_ | true |
| 23:50.44 | Marios_ | so speed doesn't matter? |
| 23:50.52 | wethrin | I've always liked the architecture. The OS I found usable, if I had to use it. But I wouldn't have used it out of choice |
| 23:51.09 | wethrin | Marios_: It did back them with 486s being top-end |
| 23:51.14 | wethrin | (well, PC-wise) |
| 23:51.27 | wethrin | Nowadays it's not really much of an issue |
| 23:51.43 | Cope | netbsd for acorn 32... hmmm |
| 23:52.53 | wethrin | So, really, hybrid designs are still popular |
| 23:53.45 | Marios_ | http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html |
| 23:54.24 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 23:55.00 | Marios_ | how is the hardware support in BSD? |
| 23:55.03 | Cope | oooh... *looks* |
| 23:55.12 | wethrin | Marios_: Very good, normally. |
| 23:55.32 | Marios_ | compared to Linux ? |
| 23:55.42 | wethrin | Maybe fewer drivers compared to Linux, but tend to be more solid. |
| 23:56.10 | wethrin | And sometimes has support earlier than Linux (e.g. wireless cards) |
| 23:56.49 | Marios_ | to summarize..BSDs kernels are microkernel right ? |
| 23:57.13 | wethrin | No. |
| 23:57.36 | wethrin | Mach is a microkernel. Well, it's a bit of a hybrid. Most mostly micro |
| 23:57.57 | Marios_ | I see |
| 23:58.09 | wethrin | The BSD kernels are just as monolithic as Linux |
| 23:58.19 | wethrin | (although tend to be smaller) |
| 23:59.48 | wethrin | You have Cope-ious free time? |
