| 00:37.00 | highbury | nn |
| 00:39.52 | wethrin | nn |
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| 01:50.45 | Cope|Nap | ibot lart Christmas. |
| 02:04.14 | new2unix | Cope|Nap: oi. no sleep? |
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| 07:12.36 | zachary | moin |
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| 08:25.34 | evangineer | moin |
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| 11:06.44 | evangineer | Cope, you're awake! |
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| 11:10.13 | Cope | Indeed |
| 11:10.21 | Cope | Morning cupis |
| 11:10.35 | cupis | Good morning. |
| 11:10.46 | evangineer | I trust Jason got you properly inebriated last night then! |
| 11:11.02 | Cope | 'No far from it |
| 11:11.14 | Cope | I had one beer - I'm a family man. |
| 11:12.09 | evangineer | Fair enough. No news from Beagle I see. |
| 11:14.50 | evangineer | Are the GUI flame wars still going on there? |
| 11:15.09 | Cope | no - that's all settled. |
| 11:15.15 | Cope | Gnome it is. |
| 11:15.57 | Cope | Voting got name is happening now... userlinux in first place, enterprise linux in second. |
| 11:17.57 | evangineer | Enterprise linux would seem to fit the bill better, but RH might protest. |
| 11:18.03 | Cope | I'm still quite excited by it all. |
| 11:18.24 | Cope | Yeah, I voted for Enterprise. |
| 11:18.42 | Cope | I thougght DS9 Linux would be cool though. |
| 11:19.29 | evangineer | Now that sounds almost as unprofessional as Slackware! |
| 11:19.41 | Cope | Voyager Linux |
| 11:20.04 | evangineer | The name should be boss-friendly. |
| 11:22.24 | Cope | Ah |
| 11:22.30 | Cope | William has a better idea. |
| 11:22.36 | Cope | He wants to sleep a bit. |
| 11:23.33 | evangineer | I guess he's the boss. |
| 11:37.53 | Cope | He *bought* windows XP to go on an old computer for my sister. |
| 11:39.20 | wethrin | Morning |
| 11:39.29 | evangineer | I guess he's still unconvinced by the "Linux fad" then. Personally, I refuse to have XP in the house. |
| 11:39.31 | wethrin | Ewwww. Gnome. |
| 11:39.45 | evangineer | Morning wethrin |
| 11:39.48 | wethrin | Morning :) |
| 11:40.01 | wethrin | Define old :) |
| 11:40.15 | wethrin | I have a Win 2003 eval CD in the house |
| 11:40.22 | Cope | old - p2 200 |
| 11:41.04 | wethrin | Hmm. XP won't work properly on that. |
| 11:41.06 | wethrin | Neither would Win2000 |
| 11:41.08 | evangineer | Sounds like a good candidate for Slackware or VectorLinux |
| 11:41.09 | Cope | Indeed |
| 11:41.14 | wethrin | Yep. |
| 11:41.17 | wethrin | '98 would work on it |
| 11:41.35 | Cope | His thought was probably that she wants to play games. |
| 11:41.45 | Cope | And he can't -buy- windows 98 any more |
| 11:42.14 | evangineer | And he didn't think to consult you? |
| 11:42.31 | wethrin | :) |
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| 12:26.24 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 12:30.32 | murble | hi jason_ukfsn |
| 12:31.11 | jason_ukfsn | murble: I received a cheque from you know who |
| 12:31.22 | murble | shock! |
| 12:31.29 | murble | I wish i would receive one. |
| 12:32.12 | jason_ukfsn | I'm currently enjoying 120kB/s download of some iso images |
| 12:32.51 | murble | I'm currently in the basement of a building in berlin. |
| 12:33.10 | jason_ukfsn | what's happening in a berlin basement? |
| 12:36.21 | wethrin | 20C3 |
| 12:36.26 | wethrin | How's that going, murble? |
| 12:37.11 | murble | I'm still alive. but they don't seem to ha veany pipe water here. |
| 13:06.10 | highbury | morning guys |
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| 14:21.57 | zachary | About what? Or is it a case of baked beans, chili, prunes? |
| 14:22.49 | Cope | zachary: About my father not even asking me my thoughts before buying a 60G hdd and a copy of windows XP to 'upgrade' my sister's p2 200 computer. |
| 14:24.01 | zachary | Oops. Have a fun time partitioning and a few pots of coffee before the thing gets done booting. |
| 14:24.55 | Cope | Angry because microsoft got 90 pounds from another mug who should no better; angry that he's wasted his money because there's a strong chance xp won't even run; angry because I know exactly what my sister uses the computer for; and a dual-boot of linux and windows 98 for games would have sufficed. |
| 14:25.57 | Cope | So she could have had an extra 90 pounds; maybe got a better graphics card, or some memory instead of some unuseable microsoft bloat. |
| 14:26.34 | zachary | Can you still take XP back for an exchange (get a ata 66 or ata 100 card for the 60 GB HD). |
| 14:26.36 | Cope | Maybe you could say more fool him; but the whole situation was a phone call away from being different. |
| 14:26.37 | zachary | ? |
| 14:27.10 | Cope | i don't know - I've not discussed it with him yet. |
| 14:27.23 | Cope | My mum told me on the phone this morning. |
| 14:28.41 | Cope | Anyway - just wanted a bit of a rant; good suggestion if he needs to get a refund. |
| 14:28.54 | zachary | The hard drive can still be used. Just need a daughter card. That's what I'm doing with my computer. Using a Promise Ultra100 and 80GB hd. PIII 600. |
| 14:29.34 | Cope | zachary: do you do the suse ftp install or have a disk set? |
| 14:30.39 | zachary | I have a disk sets. (8.2 Update and 9.0 Update). Also an extra copy of 9.0. |
| 14:31.13 | Cope | I'd recommend SUSE in her case. |
| 14:31.35 | zachary | Is she familiar with Linux? |
| 14:32.22 | Cope | A little, but shes very computer capable. |
| 14:33.45 | zachary | I can throw the 8.2 Update box your direction. With a copy of 9.0(recommended). I'm using 9.0 on my laptop(PII 333Mhz, 10 GB HD, 160MB RAM & wifi) |
| 14:38.21 | Cope | We'll see what Dad says. |
| 14:41.36 | Cope | zachary: So is there a chance that the ide controller on board won't cope with the 60G hdd drive? |
| 14:41.57 | new2unix | Cope: i feel your pain. was at my uncle's yesterday who has an XP that's pop-up infected. surfing with that XP is self torture |
| 14:41.59 | wethrin | The controller will probably work. |
| 14:42.12 | wethrin | And Linux will probably recognise it. The BIOS, OTOH... |
| 14:42.20 | Cope | Ah.. |
| 14:42.57 | wethrin | Which doesn't matter if you're only running OSes that don't bother about the BIOS |
| 14:43.31 | new2unix | had to install mplayer32 on it cos i had avis that windows couldnt understand nativeley |
| 14:43.47 | Cope | wethrin: so xp takes its hardware cue from the bios? |
| 14:44.00 | wethrin | I think so, yes. |
| 14:44.49 | new2unix | and mplayer32 is a console app, so i had to retrain them on the nuances of dos |
| 14:45.13 | new2unix | glad to be home amongst my penguins :) |
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| 14:46.53 | wethrin | Which configuration? |
| 14:46.56 | Cope | hardware or sofware? |
| 14:46.58 | wethrin | 0, 1 or 5? |
| 14:48.37 | Cope | Amazing... the vacuum cleaner has made william go to sleep. |
| 14:49.28 | new2unix | does it make teletubby custard too? |
| 14:50.06 | zachary | Cope: Most babies like the hum of a vacuum cleaner. |
| 14:50.19 | zachary | For some reason it is soothing. |
| 14:50.39 | Cope | Yes - I read it; but just found it to be true by accident. |
| 14:51.26 | zachary | You are lucky. When he gets iratable, just clean up a bit. |
| 14:52.34 | Cope | oh no... now he's crying because I've stopped hoovering! |
| 14:54.00 | zachary | Cope: Wife says to record the the vacuum cleaner.(best as a wave/ogg and set it in a loop). |
| 14:57.44 | Cope | William likes the Eagles. |
| 14:58.49 | Cope | cope fm - the home of those sing-along baby-pleasing song! |
| 14:59.52 | zachary | Ours like Led Zeppelin |
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| 15:01.15 | Cope | he was abmivalent about mendleson |
| 15:01.35 | sash | lo Cope. Bleated belated congrats. |
| 15:02.01 | zachary | Hi Sash |
| 15:02.12 | wethrin | 'lo sash |
| 15:02.16 | sash | Lo zach and gang. |
| 15:03.55 | Cope | hi sash! |
| 15:07.15 | sash | Had a pleasant Xmas? |
| 15:09.01 | zachary | Not too bad. You? |
| 15:13.31 | sash | It was alright. |
| 15:15.18 | sash | Reading about Erasmus Darwin, Leibniz, Boole and Smee... |
| 15:21.53 | Cope | ibot Smee |
| 15:21.54 | | Cope: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:24.56 | Cope | ibot SMEE is an acronymn for Society of Model and Experimental Engineers |
| 15:24.58 | | Cope: okay |
| 15:25.15 | Cope | ibot Smee is also something sash likes to read about |
| 15:25.17 | | Cope: okay |
| 15:25.22 | Cope | ibot smee |
| 15:25.25 | | from memory, smee is an acronymn for Society of Model and Experimental Engineers, or something sash likes to read about |
| 15:36.21 | sash | Cope: |
| 15:36.21 | sash | ). Alfred Smee (1818-77) was a physician w/ an interest in electricity - electrochem basis of vision, sensation, memory, logic... His defn of consciousness caught my eye. |
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| 15:40.56 | sash | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.24 | sash | Oops. |
| 16:09.06 | sash | ) |
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| 18:11.39 | Cope | 3c509 isa NIC; inserted module; can't get dynamic address; tried adding using ifconfig, and added default route but still can't ping any other machine on the network; yet same machine works fine with knoppix and windows |
| 18:11.59 | Cope | And it worked fine yesterday, before I had to reboot it to do something in windows. |
| 18:15.30 | murble | possibly windows reconfigured it |
| 18:15.47 | murble | do you have it in isap&p mode? |
| 18:15.57 | Cope | murble: I do |
| 18:16.24 | Cope | Although I have added io and irq in modprobe |
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| 18:32.31 | evangineer | Cope: I had a similar problem yesterday, and it turned out to be my firewall ruleset at fault |
| 18:34.46 | Cope | evangineer: But why would it work in windows? |
| 18:37.04 | evangineer | You don't say what distro you are using, is there a possibility that it has installed a firewall? If so, that would explain it. If not then I'm on the wrong track. |
| 18:38.48 | Cope | evangineer: The box in question is a minimum install slack box. |
| 18:41.05 | evangineer | Fair enough, there isn't a firewall then. |
| 18:44.08 | evangineer | Cope: I take it you have uncommented the relevant line in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules? |
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| 18:44.33 | Marios_ | hello !! |
| 18:44.58 | evangineer | Hi Marios: |
| 18:45.22 | Cope | evangineer: of course :o) |
| 18:45.30 | Marios_ | it is very quiet here |
| 18:46.24 | evangineer | Marios_: Yes it is |
| 18:46.32 | Marios_ | hehhe |
| 18:47.47 | evangineer | Cope: Can you see whether a DHCP request is reaching your server? |
| 18:49.37 | Marios_ | Cope: How is family? |
| 18:50.50 | Cope | freerock: evangineer: Umm... I don't think so. |
| 18:51.01 | Cope | Marios_ - both sleeping |
| 18:51.23 | Marios_ | sweet |
| 18:51.32 | Marios_ | I am in London by the way :) |
| 18:52.09 | Cope | evangineer: Hmm... dmesg | grep 3c5 gives a lot of messages... is it possible that rc.modules is being over-written, so to speak? |
| 18:52.15 | evangineer | Cope: I have a Slack box running DHCPd which logs requests to /var/log/messages |
| 18:52.39 | Cope | evangineer: Oh I see - no, the dhcp server is on the adsl modem/router |
| 18:53.33 | evangineer | Cope: I can't think what would be messing with rc.modules |
| 18:54.48 | Cope | This is very strange. |
| 18:55.14 | evangineer | Cope: Then again hotplug may have it's own ideas about the card |
| 18:55.22 | Cope | Ah... |
| 18:55.30 | Cope | How can I disable hotplug? |
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| 18:56.25 | evangineer | Cope: remove execute perms from /etc/rc.d/rc.hotplug |
| 18:57.19 | evangineer | Cope: That presuming you're running 9.1 |
| 18:57.44 | evangineer | s/That/That's/g |
| 18:57.48 | Cope | evangineer: Ok; fixed the problem..... very odd one. |
| 18:57.51 | Cope | brb - weeee |
| 19:00.21 | Cope | Used a different irq with modprobe; and it worked fine. |
| 19:00.23 | Cope | Why would the correct irq change? |
| 19:01.16 | murble | are you using a ISA P&P aware kernel? |
| 19:01.24 | evangineer | I suspect that would have something to do with the order in which drivers are being loaded. |
| 19:02.07 | Cope | murble: I don't know - a) Is this likely in a vanilla 2.4.22 kernel b) how could I find out? |
| 19:03.48 | Cope | The irq I used yesterday was 5; it worked; so I added it to rc.modules; today it works with 9 - why would it change? |
| 19:07.06 | evangineer | Cope: you should have /lib/modules/2.4.22/modules.isapnpmap |
| 19:08.01 | murble | Cope: check for CONFIG_ISAPNP in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:08.15 | evangineer | Perhaps, another module has grabbed IRQ 5 |
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| 19:08.46 | murble | evangineer: the existance of that file is not useful. |
| 19:08.55 | Cope | evangineer: I appear not to have that file. |
| 19:09.16 | murble | since modutils create it even if you don't have isapnp enabled |
| 19:09.54 | Cope | murble: murble: And I appear not to have a config in /boot |
| 19:10.17 | Cope | murble: Ah sorry... being a diclk |
| 19:11.06 | Cope | murble: CONFIG_ISAPNP=m |
| 19:11.38 | zachary | isn't their a config in /proc? |
| 19:12.03 | Cope | zachary: Indeed; which I looked at yesterday. |
| 19:12.27 | Cope | murble: What did you mean when you mention something about windows resetting something? |
| 19:13.51 | Cope | ibot isapnp |
| 19:13.53 | | from memory, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux |
| 19:14.50 | Cope | ibot isapnp is also to check if your kernel is isapnp aware look in /boot/config-'uname -r' |
| 19:14.52 | | Cope: okay |
| 19:15.18 | Cope | ibot isapnp |
| 19:15.21 | | rumour has it, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or to check if your kernel is isapnp aware look in /boot/config-'uname -r' |
| 19:17.41 | Cope | w00t - it worked after reboot |
| 19:21.58 | JD | hi Cope |
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| 19:22.16 | Cope | hi JD |
| 19:22.23 | Cope | hi Leeds |
| 19:22.54 | Leeds_mac | evening cope... how is everyone? |
| 19:24.10 | zachary | Evening Leeds. |
| 19:26.32 | Cope | ok - had a frustrating few hours with an isa NIC but that's all sorted now. |
| 19:27.06 | Cope | Leeds_mac: What else is in Nottingham, to tempt you there? |
| 19:27.27 | Leeds_mac | Limmud |
| 19:27.50 | JD | Cope: why are you using old technology |
| 19:27.58 | JD | we live in te 21 century now |
| 19:29.11 | JD | dig in boys |
| 19:30.16 | Cope | JD: Because I have no money, and old technology that works is better than no technology. |
| 19:33.15 | Leeds_mac | /quit Richard goes to get dinner |
| 19:33.15 | Leeds_mac | argh! |
| 19:33.15 | JD | Cope: oh okay, remind me to donate some PCI nics in ytour direction next gllug meeting |
| 19:33.15 | Leeds_mac | bye :-) |
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| 19:34.47 | Cope | JD: Thank you! |
| 19:34.57 | JD | Cope: but you must remind me |
| 19:35.50 | Cope | JD: You will be there next meeting? Or will you be there for beer? |
| 19:37.28 | JD | Cope: I hope so |
| 19:54.49 | Cope | Woo! A job opportunity with the company for whom my friend works. |
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| 20:18.12 | Cope | Hmm... knowledge of veritas volume mangler and solstice disksuite; |
| 20:18.30 | Cope | What is comparable? Software raid, I guess. |
| 20:21.32 | evangineer | LVM is more directly comparable, I would have thought. |
| 20:24.42 | highbury | agreed |
| 20:25.15 | evangineer | ow and grsec are security oriented patches, ck is more about system responsiveness/performance although it also incorporates grsec as an option. |
| 20:29.26 | Cope | Any ideas of gently massaged truth? |
| 20:29.50 | evangineer | Any machine room experience? |
| 20:30.41 | evangineer | If so, elaborate on it. |
| 20:32.37 | evangineer | I dimly recall installing computers in machine rooms, cabling them up and doing the installation and configuration of the OS and the software. |
| 20:33.53 | evangineer | This often involved the use of KVM switches to operate multiple machines from a single keyboard, monitor and mouse. |
| 20:34.05 | evangineer | Cope: any of this helping? |
| 20:34.53 | Cope | Yeah, good train of thought. |
| 20:36.04 | Cope | Well, my +wanker took offence that I dared mention a penis - freenode sucks so much at times. |
| 20:37.08 | Cope | fwiw oftc #slackware is very friendly. |
| 20:37.18 | Cope | freenods #slackware is variable. |
| 20:37.43 | evangineer | I glance at #slackware from time to time, but I spend most of my time on #gllug because it is convivial and not full of egomaniacs. |
| 20:38.31 | evangineer | I haven't spent any time at oftc as yet. I'll remedy that soon. |
| 20:38.47 | Cope | oftc is a breath of fresh air |
| 20:39.28 | Cope | If you want a classic example of trolldom, join #debian late evening - its priceless. |
| 20:39.50 | evangineer | I'll take your word for it. |
| 20:39.53 | Cope | on freenode, I mean. |
| 20:43.26 | evangineer | Good grief, there are some real winners over in #slackware right now. |
| 20:44.17 | Cope | Mightily disappointing. |
| 20:45.03 | evangineer | So about your cv enhancement exercise? |
| 20:45.42 | Cope | Indeed |
| 20:46.31 | Cope | Req'd experience: clustering |
| 20:48.16 | evangineer | Load balancing, failover and all that high availability/scalability malarkey. |
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| 20:48.46 | evangineer | Cope: Clustering of what precisely? |
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| 20:50.43 | evangineer | So they'll be interested in web and mail clustering, possibly database too. |
| 20:51.38 | irvined | yeah, and probably want some kind of backups done. |
| 20:51.53 | evangineer | They'll also be making heavy use of virtual hosting. |
| 20:52.33 | irvined | yeah, you should brush up on routing and stuff, and any failover you know. |
| 20:55.52 | evangineer | Might be worth having a word with the agency before sending in your CV, so that you can get some extra details that will help in tailoring your CV. |
| 20:59.08 | Cope | No agency - cv going direct to decision maker via friend. |
| 21:05.55 | evangineer | If the friend knows anything about the setup, I suggest you quiz him/her. |
| 21:11.54 | Cope | evangineer: indeed |
| 21:38.12 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 21:40.35 | wethrin | Cope: Come on 3rd January, and bring your CV :) |
| 21:42.34 | Cope | Awesome resource: |
| 21:42.46 | Cope | http://tech.pornflux.net |
| 21:42.52 | Cope | Ignore the name... it rocks. |
| 21:44.02 | murble | oh book warez |
| 21:44.38 | Cope | hmm... warez are frowned upon? |
| 21:44.45 | Cope | Sorry ;o( |
| 21:44.50 | Cope | :o( even |
| 21:45.44 | murble | yeah, read the motd |
| 21:46.05 | murble | and the docuements is references, specifically. http://freenode.net/policy.shtml |
| 21:48.40 | Cope | Oh well. |