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| 01:06.48 | h | Is the mailing list down |
| 01:19.41 | irvined | quiet in here tonight |
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| 01:20.03 | irvined | hi |
| 01:22.47 | wethrin | Hi |
| 01:23.05 | wethrin | Hmm. That was random of 'h'. Didn't even bother staying for an answer |
| 01:25.14 | wethrin | FOO! |
| 01:25.56 | irvined | hmm |
| 01:26.25 | wethrin | Are you coming on 3rd January? |
| 01:26.42 | irvined | fraid not, going to colorado for 2 weeks of snow, snow and more snow. |
| 01:26.50 | wethrin | Oooh. Shiny things, then :) |
| 01:27.29 | irvined | yeah, going to go and get some new gadgets too, would like to get one of those little epia boards, the 12cmx12cm ones which are smaller than the epia M boards, but i think thats a bit too much wishful thinking |
| 01:28.13 | wethrin | Okay, but bear in mind import duties, etc. |
| 01:28.24 | wethrin | (i.e. don't bring back more than you can get away with ;-) ) |
| 01:28.29 | irvined | yes :) |
| 01:28.37 | irvined | i was thinking 2 - max. |
| 01:29.09 | wethrin | As long as you bury them nicely in your luggage |
| 01:29.22 | irvined | yeah, i was thinking i could just stick them in my laptop case, ytehy wouldnt look out of place next to the soldering irons, and random bits of circuit board. |
| 01:29.55 | wethrin | WEAPONS! :) |
| 01:30.08 | irvined | yeah what am i going to do? melt people to death? |
| 01:30.22 | wethrin | You could have someone's eye out |
| 01:30.25 | irvined | solder their lungs shut? |
| 01:30.38 | irvined | lol yeah i check my big bag, i just keep the pouch with me. |
| 01:32.31 | irvined | theres loads of things iw ould like to bring back actually - unfortunatly i dont think i'll be able to source a lot of it whilst im out there. |
| 01:33.37 | wethrin | :-/ |
| 01:34.04 | irvined | should be able to manage a new snowboard though :) |
| 01:34.14 | wethrin | Excellent :) |
| 01:36.00 | irvined | right - bed time |
| 01:36.01 | irvined | night. |
| 01:36.17 | wethrin | nn |
| 01:36.21 | wethrin | Bedtime for me too |
| 01:36.23 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 02:01.05 | Cope_ | Boo? |
| 02:04.26 | new2unix | Bah |
| 02:04.40 | new2unix | lil William keeping you up? |
| 02:28.39 | Cope_ | nod |
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| 09:26.21 | JD | hi all |
| 10:04.49 | highbury | hi |
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| 11:21.51 | evangineer | moin |
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| 11:48.25 | zachary | moin |
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| 11:52.21 | Cope | moin |
| 11:52.59 | cupis | Good day. |
| 11:53.51 | wethrin | Morning |
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| 12:03.54 | Cope | how much? |
| 12:04.11 | wethrin | It's about 25MB or so |
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| 12:07.58 | evangineer | Didn't look at precise figures, 3% of a 3GB partition. |
| 12:08.32 | evangineer | The house moves that emacs is a viral parasite on the body of Unix! |
| 12:08.32 | wethrin | But emacs is lovely :) |
| 12:09.07 | wethrin | FFS. What's the matter with calkins.freenode? |
| 12:09.29 | Cope | but sash lives on it |
| 12:10.18 | wethrin | :) |
| 12:10.52 | evangineer | Actually Xemacs. |
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| 12:25.22 | Cope | lo irvined_ |
| 12:25.59 | Cope | Behold: a JD |
| 12:26.26 | JD | where? |
| 12:30.14 | Cope | hmmm - buffer underrun problem. |
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| 12:37.12 | Cope | Hmm... buffer dying again.... |
| 12:37.24 | Cope | BAH |
| 12:37.31 | Cope | That's 3 cds I've wasted. |
| 12:37.48 | wethrin | Burn at a slower speed |
| 12:38.11 | Cope | Its burning at speed 8 atm |
| 12:38.22 | wethrin | Try at speed 6 |
| 12:38.25 | Cope | And died that time at 68M |
| 12:38.37 | wethrin | Hmmmmmmm....... |
| 12:41.01 | Cope | Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x09 (write error - loss of streaming) Fru 0x0 |
| 12:41.43 | Cope | cdrecord.mmap: The current problem looks like a buffer underrun. |
| 12:42.09 | Cope | (which it did, as the buffer stayed at 90%+ for a bit, then started dropping before it died) |
| 12:43.48 | Cope | evangineer: I would burn these under windows if I could get the images there; but I can only mount the windows partition ro |
| 12:43.59 | wethrin | Hmmmm......is there a problem with the ISO file? |
| 12:44.23 | evangineer | wethrin: that's what I was thinking, md5sums? |
| 12:46.57 | Cope | It is now pitch black and freezing cold. |
| 12:54.12 | wethrin | No. Sun's still there. |
| 12:54.14 | wethrin | I can ping it |
| 12:54.54 | evangineer | :) |
| 13:03.55 | Cope | looks promising!! |
| 13:05.37 | Cope | Yep.. that worked. Right, lets try with 2 more. |
| 13:06.25 | wethrin | hacky burn? |
| 13:19.11 | Cope | wethrin: yeah, copied iso from ext2 to ntfs from within windows and burned it there. |
| 13:19.16 | Cope | Bur it worked. |
| 13:20.02 | wethrin | :) |
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| 13:22.31 | Cope | Hi sash |
| 13:22.47 | sash | Hello Cope. How're you? |
| 13:23.03 | Cope | Ok thanks, sash. |
| 13:33.09 | resuDaed | can someone recommend a form of unix that can be installed on a headless box with a floppy over a serial line? |
| 13:33.31 | resuDaed | Cope : you got a copy of solaris for x86? |
| 13:34.49 | Cope | resuDaed: Yeah |
| 13:35.37 | resuDaed | Cope : could you possibly do me a copy? (I havn't got a card to pay for the download) |
| 13:36.10 | Cope | resuDaed: Yes, but its now free for download. |
| 13:36.12 | wethrin | The download is free |
| 13:36.35 | resuDaed | is it opensource yet? |
| 13:37.23 | wethrin | Hell no :) |
| 13:39.09 | resuDaed | can solaris be installed over NFS? |
| 13:39.28 | wethrin | Not sure. |
| 13:39.42 | wethrin | PCs aren't designed to have things installed over serial link |
| 13:40.02 | sash | ) |
| 13:40.49 | resuDaed | I know, but screens and keyboards are space consuming, and decent h/w is expensive |
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| 13:46.04 | wethrin | It's expensive because it's worth it :) |
| 13:46.17 | wethrin | It's good to have at least 1 keyboard/monitor that you can move around |
| 13:46.53 | JD | takes up all of my desk |
| 13:47.12 | wethrin | Mmmmm. VT320 |
| 13:47.22 | wethrin | I've got various monitors up in the loft |
| 13:47.34 | JD | well I',m not ussing the vt320 yet |
| 13:47.44 | JD | but both my monitors are 19" |
| 13:47.48 | JD | which is slightly annoying |
| 13:47.54 | wethrin | Ahh. Yes. |
| 13:47.56 | JD | esp as I can;t use the sun on my intel box |
| 13:48.14 | wethrin | Get an adapter? |
| 13:48.40 | JD | hmm I could do |
| 13:48.44 | wethrin | Well, you won't be able to install anything via serial link on a PC, unless you have a BIOS which supports console redirection |
| 13:48.48 | JD | oh have I seen one of those? I don't think I have |
| 13:49.15 | wethrin | Heh |
| 13:50.07 | evangineer | I have a single keyboard/monitor/mouse hooked up to 3 machines via a KVM switch |
| 13:50.50 | wethrin | On a Sunday? |
| 13:52.21 | Cope | Hmmm... solaris won't coexist on a disk with a linux partition |
| 13:52.26 | wethrin | No? |
| 13:52.32 | Cope | No |
| 13:52.39 | wethrin | Hum. I have a separate disk to install it into |
| 13:53.11 | wethrin | Externally swappable hard drives ++ |
| 13:53.27 | wethrin | Right. It's time for the RI Christmas Lectures |
| 13:53.32 | Cope | Oooh! |
| 13:53.35 | Cope | I love those! |
| 13:53.50 | wethrin | Back later |
| 14:07.09 | resuDaed | anyone suggest something simple to test a serial cable for nullness? |
| 14:07.20 | resuDaed | nullmodemness I mean |
| 14:56.49 | wethrin | resuDaed: Ohmmeter |
| 15:06.18 | wethrin | Hahha! That's what I should be doing :) |
| 15:06.44 | Cope | What? Installing solaris 9 on an old hdd you found under your bed? |
| 15:13.54 | wethrin | Remove the last part of the sentence :) |
| 15:32.51 | Cope | Ah! |
| 15:33.03 | Cope | Well, I'm making progress. |
| 15:33.14 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:33.17 | Cope | Base system installed, X working, installing rest of the stuff, |
| 15:33.35 | Cope | Maybe even networking ok, as I didn't get an error. |
| 15:34.15 | Cope | All that can go wrong now is the down to the flakiness of the hdd. |
| 15:34.15 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:34.50 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:34.56 | wethrin | It makes sense ;-) |
| 15:35.46 | wethrin | Hmmmm. This machine is supposed to be on a 1Mbit connection. Yes I'm only getting 46KB/sec download speed |
| 15:36.07 | Cope | yeah I got 56k last night |
| 15:37.17 | Cope | I wonder what stuff it comes with... |
| 15:37.30 | Cope | Must have a compiler, surely. |
| 15:38.08 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 15:38.10 | wethrin | Yeahright. :) |
| 15:43.44 | Cope | Oooh 25% of cd 1 from 2 |
| 15:46.43 | Cope | Oooh! cd 1 finished. |
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| 15:54.19 | Marios_ | Hello |
| 15:55.43 | Cope | Hello |
| 15:55.46 | wethrin | 'lo, person in the UK |
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| 15:56.46 | Cope | Hello stephen |
| 15:59.26 | murble | Marios is in the uk? |
| 15:59.36 | murble | looks like i had a lucky escape! |
| 15:59.41 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:00.48 | Cope | Hi murble! |
| 16:01.38 | wethrin | Talk on? |
| 16:03.13 | Marios_ | yeah I am in London now |
| 16:03.30 | wethrin | Comiserations |
| 16:04.12 | wethrin | Vinyls rock |
| 16:04.19 | Cope | But then my turntable is about 3000 worth |
| 16:04.58 | Cope | Linn LP12, Upgraded, Rega arm, MC cartridge on Townshend Seizmic Sink. |
| 16:05.30 | Cope | About all I have to show for my time in the hifi industry. |
| 16:07.07 | wethrin | Marios_: You will be at the pub on Saturday, won't you? |
| 16:07.17 | Cope | Oooh... 50% of 2nd cd now. |
| 16:17.15 | Cope | Hi nasrat |
| 16:20.48 | Marios_ | wethrin << unfortunately not |
| 16:20.57 | Marios_ | I am leaving tomorrow morning for Brussels |
| 16:21.10 | Marios_ | and I will come back in London on Jan 4th |
| 16:21.58 | wethrin | Bah. UKpub is much better! |
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| 16:22.04 | Marios_ | I know.. |
| 16:22.05 | wethrin | Come back a day earlier! |
| 16:22.35 | Marios_ | well I booked the tickets 2 months ago |
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| 16:22.38 | Cope | starting DHCP on primary interface elx0 |
| 16:22.38 | Marios_ | I didn't know about a pub meeting on Sat 3rd |
| 16:22.55 | wethrin | It's been in the topic for some time |
| 16:22.56 | wethrin | Since December 7th |
| 16:23.28 | Marios_ | well I booked the tickets beginning of Jan |
| 16:23.28 | Marios_ | sorry |
| 16:23.28 | Marios_ | beginning of November |
| 16:25.54 | wethrin | How long will you be staying in London for, then? |
| 16:27.01 | Marios_ | I am here since 25th |
| 16:27.01 | wethrin | Yes... |
| 16:27.20 | Marios_ | and I am coming back on Jan 4th ...then leaving for US on Jan 6th |
| 16:27.20 | wethrin | Right |
| 16:28.27 | Marios_ | not many days but it was enough vacations |
| 16:29.25 | wethrin | Ah well. Maybe next time you're back in London, you can come to a Gllug thing :) |
| 16:30.13 | Cope | Woo!! |
| 16:30.22 | Cope | Solaris 9 is up! |
| 16:30.40 | wethrin | w00t |
| 16:32.30 | Cope | This is a timewarp! |
| 16:32.33 | Cope | CDE! |
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| 16:34.06 | Cope | Woo sash |
| 16:34.33 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:36.27 | Cope | So... need to sort out dns but apart from that all is fine. |
| 16:36.31 | sash | Hello again. |
| 16:41.54 | evangineer | re |
| 16:48.07 | wethrin | They're still going, I think. |
| 16:48.18 | wethrin | But doing more workstation-y cards, rather than gaming cards |
| 16:48.35 | wethrin | evangineer: Will you be at the pub on Saturday? |
| 16:48.52 | evangineer | At Maplin's the only thing they had was Nvidia GeForce cards |
| 16:50.41 | evangineer | wethrin: haven't made my mind up yet, there's nothing to stop my going though besides sloth or absent-mindedness. |
| 16:51.40 | wethrin | So come :) |
| 16:52.47 | evangineer | Alright, you persuaded me! |
| 16:54.19 | evangineer | Are the details posted anywhere? |
| 16:54.40 | evangineer | What happened Cope? |
| 16:56.35 | wethrin | /topic |
| 16:56.54 | wethrin | Erm. They will appear on the mailing list in time :) |
| 16:57.08 | wethrin | Pillars of Hercules; 5pm |
| 16:57.48 | evangineer | Whereabouts is that then? |
| 16:59.03 | wethrin | Greek Street, Soho. |
| 16:59.08 | wethrin | Behind Foyles Bookstore |
| 16:59.16 | wethrin | Coffee! biab |
| 17:00.07 | evangineer | I won't have any difficulty finding it then! |
| 17:04.18 | Cope | evangineer: Every time I try to come to the pub, Real Life (TM) interrupts. |
| 17:06.17 | evangineer | Yeah, well life is what happens while you're making other plans, Cope |
| 17:09.53 | evangineer | The upside of being made redundant, is that I've gone beyond playing with Linux, to being a committed user of it on the desktop and running my own server/gateway/router on it. |
| 17:10.54 | evangineer | This is from someone who spent an IT career of over a decade working with Microsoft platforms. |
| 17:12.12 | evangineer | Anyway, that has nothing to do with going to the pub! |
| 17:12.52 | Cope | I'm trying to decide between a nap and learning how to sort out name resolving in solaris. |
| 17:13.28 | evangineer | You have a newborn, a nap must be the right thing to do. |
| 17:13.52 | Cope | Hmm... yes, but I can't browse the web; name resolving is cruicial. |
| 17:15.06 | evangineer | Obviously, browsing comes before sleeping in one's set of priorities. ;-) |
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| 17:29.14 | wethrin | Cope: look at /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 17:29.19 | wethrin | And also /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:54.53 | evangineer | wethrin: I haven't got round to upgrading SA myself, what's wrong with it? |
| 17:56.06 | wethrin | I have a gut feeling that it's let more spam through than 2.60 did |
| 17:56.30 | evangineer | They've not done something stupid like breaking the Bayesian filtering have they? |
| 17:58.00 | evangineer | Is there anything in the release notes that might indicate what changes they have made under the hood? |
| 17:58.36 | evangineer | I noticed with 2.60, there were some changes that didn't affect me but might have broken other people's setup. |
| 18:05.03 | wethrin | I wasn't using Bayesian filtering |
| 18:07.04 | evangineer | Does that meant that the heuristics have gotten worse or is something else going wrong? |
| 18:07.35 | evangineer | Is it still catching some spam? |
| 18:09.27 | wethrin | Oh yes. |
| 18:09.45 | wethrin | They might have mildly misjudged the ruleset, though :) |
| 18:09.54 | wethrin | I'm holding out until 2.62 :) |
| 18:10.43 | evangineer | I think I'll do the same. |
| 18:12.40 | evangineer | 2.60 had a much longer release cycle than 2.61, that probably made a big difference in the robustness of the respective rulesets. |
| 18:17.58 | wethrin | Well, 2.6 was a major release, wasn't it? They put in Bayesian filtering. Or was that 2.5? |
| 18:18.40 | evangineer | It was 2.60 that included Bayesian. |
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| 18:25.38 | wethrin | Hmm. Maybe they're slacking on their rules because they expect everyone to be using Bayes? :) |
| 18:26.17 | evangineer | That was a thought floating around in my head! |
| 18:27.00 | evangineer | I use Bayes and it's the dog's b****** after a bit of training! |
| 18:29.47 | evangineer | Rules and Bayes is a killer combo, it would be a shame if SA lost it's edge through overdependence on one over the other. |
| 18:34.12 | wethrin | Yeah. |
| 18:34.49 | wethrin | But it needs about 1000 emails before it switches into Bayesian mode |
| 18:38.28 | evangineer | I used sa-learn to train it on incorrectly filtered mail, don't know if that makes a difference on how long it takes to turn on. |
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| 18:44.32 | wethrin | Probably :) |
| 18:52.59 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:56.12 | evangineer | I don't grok find's syntax. How do I find all files under /etc and it's subdirectories with a .new suffix |
| 18:58.29 | wethrin | find /etc -name *.new |
| 18:58.32 | wethrin | (IIRC) |
| 18:58.47 | wethrin | Although sometimes you can miss off the -name, depending on the current lunar cycle |
| 19:02.23 | evangineer | Hmm - on my machine it needs single quote marks around '*.new'. Thanks! |
| 19:06.27 | wethrin | Oh yes. That's also feels like it's dependent on lunar phase. |
| 19:06.42 | wethrin | Food! |
| 19:06.47 | Cope | Beer! |
| 19:06.53 | wethrin | FOOD! |
| 19:06.56 | wethrin | Back soon |
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| 19:35.36 | jason_ukfsn | hi all |
| 19:36.04 | evangineer | Hey there! |
| 19:48.00 | Cope | Hi jason |
| 19:52.59 | jason_ukfsn | hi Cope |
| 19:55.37 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:25.30 | evangineer | Not so fast replies the laptop! |
| 20:27.19 | evangineer | Hmmph! - I can't bring up any xterms in XFce4 |
| 20:30.33 | evangineer | I was missing the utempter package. Works now. |
| 20:32.28 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:38.29 | evangineer | Talking about xfce, slack9.1 ship with 3.99, I've just upgraded it to 4.0.2 on the laptop in question. |
| 20:48.52 | evangineer | GkrellM discloses user's email passwords to local users. http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2003/Dec/1008564.html. If you have sensible permissions, this shouldn't be an issue. |
| 20:50.01 | wethrin | And if you don't use GkrellM, it's even less of an issue :) |
| 20:50.34 | zachary | Better yet, If it is not installed! |
| 20:50.40 | wethrin | Yep |
| 20:51.39 | evangineer | I don't use the beast myself, but it seems very popular! |
| 20:51.52 | zachary | My son has been fussing all weekend. I feel like I've had the life sucked from me! |
| 20:51.59 | wethrin | What izzit, anyway? |
| 20:52.08 | wethrin | zachary: You will need beer on Saturday |
| 20:52.16 | wethrin | (*cough*announcement*cough*) |
| 20:53.17 | evangineer | wethrin: It's a bit of desktop eye candy that provides lots of widgets for monitoring things like email, network activity, disk usage and so forth. |
| 20:53.42 | wethrin | Ah right |
| 21:59.09 | *** join/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-193-91.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 21:59.48 | stephanb | hi everybody, anybody here is a king of dual boot (with winnt/2k) ? |
| 22:03.09 | wethrin | Install Windows first, then Linux |
| 22:04.53 | stephanb | wethrin: oh, hem, i have done many dual boot installs. in this case i'm installing linux on a win98/win2k dual boot machine |
| 22:05.23 | stephanb | win2k apparently installed the win2k bootloader on the win98 partition |
| 22:05.51 | stephanb | i though i could copy the files to the win2k partition and grub would boot |
| 22:05.56 | stephanb | but it doesnt. |
| 22:07.00 | stephanb | i suspect i have to copy the 1st partition as well, as i doubt that grub can execute ntldr directly |
| 22:13.24 | stephanb | sorry it's muddy windoze boot process |
| 22:15.44 | wethrin | I'm sure it's doable |
| 22:17.31 | stephanb | oh yes i *know* it's doable, i just wonder if win2k *can* boot from *any* partition, just with the nldr, boot.ini, etc... files or whether it needs something in the bootsector of that partition |
| 22:22.13 | stephanb | wethrin: on another note, did you watch "grumpy old men" xmas special ? |
| 22:26.53 | wethrin | No, I didn't |
| 22:34.11 | wethrin | Was it any good? |
| 22:35.12 | stephanb | well, i agree with what they say, so it's comforting for me |
| 22:46.33 | wethrin | What did they say? |
| 22:46.42 | wethrin | (chances are, I'd probably have agreed too) |
| 23:13.40 | stephanb | im off... zzzz |
| 23:15.05 | resuDaed | is it possible to easily load a kernel/initrd over dhcp/tftp? |
| 23:15.54 | *** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-193-91.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 23:19.22 | wethrin | Hmmm.......network booting |
| 23:19.43 | wethrin | Possible, yes. Easy, not very. You need patience. |
| 23:19.48 | resuDaed | wethrin : yeah :-) I am wanting just to run kernel & initrd for now |
| 23:20.05 | resuDaed | not bothered about rest of filesystem/nfs for time being |
| 23:20.38 | resuDaed | (am hooking up mini-itx to tv and fiddleing with big widescreen) |
| 23:21.28 | wethrin | You'll need to look at Etherboot oto |
| 23:21.37 | resuDaed | oto? |
| 23:21.38 | wethrin | *too |
| 23:21.42 | resuDaed | ahh :-) |
| 23:21.50 | wethrin | I cna't tpye |
| 23:22.02 | resuDaed | the NIC already does the fancy PXE stuff -- and finds my dhcp |
| 23:22.18 | resuDaed | just wondering how easy it is from there to load the kernel & initrd and boot |
| 23:22.19 | wethrin | Cool |
| 23:22.28 | wethrin | Probably easier under NetBSD ;-) |
| 23:22.57 | resuDaed | yeah, but I'm neglecting my linux atm |
| 23:23.17 | wethrin | So? >:-) |
| 23:23.51 | resuDaed | I have kernel & initrd already built, just can't find a well written howto on the next bit |
| 23:24.25 | wethrin | .oO(that sounds familiar) |
| 23:24.39 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 23:40.59 | irvined | resuDaed, fairly easy in general |
| 23:41.07 | irvined | resuDaed, all you need is a tftpserver |
| 23:41.24 | irvined | have a look at pxelinux its part of the syslinux package |
| 23:41.58 | irvined | http://galleries.googirls.com/03DEC/203.php?rid=gg1111 |
| 23:42.02 | irvined | erm no, |
| 23:42.10 | irvined | lol, not the link i had in mind. |
| 23:42.21 | irvined | you've got to love webstats. |
| 23:42.35 | irvined | http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 23:42.40 | irvined | that details all the pxe stuff. |
| 23:43.39 | wethrin | Hmm........is that what you've been looking at recently? ;-) |
| 23:44.08 | irvined | which brings me to my next question.. |
| 23:45.44 | irvined | i keep getting lots of wierd stuffin my apache logs, mainly porno links, compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)" |
| 23:45.44 | irvined | 66.250.131.50 - - [27/Dec/2003:11:17:47 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 3962 "http://www.casual-sex-dating.info/" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)" |
| 23:46.08 | irvined | and various porn sites, im assuming its for advertising or something, but its buggering up some of my customers log files. |
| 23:47.00 | irvined | and im trying to sort it out, but im not sure what they are trying to do. |
| 23:49.07 | irvined | i also need to filter out anything porn related from my logs so that google doesnt pick them up. |
| 23:49.37 | wethrin | You're hosting porn sites? |
| 23:50.23 | irvined | resuDaed, anyway, all you need to do, is set a few flags in dhcpd.conf make sure that you have the kernel image you want to boot and the initrd in your /tftpboot directory |
| 23:51.37 | irvined | wethrin, i do actually, well i host the backend processing site for access and billing, i used to have the piccies too but they have a colo box now because storage/data needs where more than i could realistically provide. |
| 23:52.22 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:52.43 | wethrin | www.casual-sex-dating.info has address 69.31.85.14 |
| 23:52.48 | wethrin | Is that one of your IP addresses? |
| 23:53.00 | irvined | no. |
| 23:53.03 | wethrin | Oh |
| 23:53.48 | irvined | but they keep showing up in my logs and stuff, a la http://www.irvined.co.uk/awstats/awstats.pl |
| 23:55.17 | irvined | as do googirls.com |
| 23:55.45 | irvined | im assuming its just a load of bots which get random sites and have that url as the referrer. |
| 23:56.12 | wethrin | Hmm.....point, what's the format of the logs? |
| 23:56.31 | wethrin | Is www.casual-sex-dating.info the site they're trying to access? |
| 23:56.36 | wethrin | Or where they're referred from? |
| 23:56.41 | irvined | apache combined. |
| 23:57.31 | irvined | where they are referred from - its ip, date, url, blah, blah referrer, browser. |
| 23:57.46 | wethrin | Ahhhhh okay. |
| 23:58.16 | irvined | im going to pipe it through my new patented dirty word finder and replace anything daft with something a bit more family friendly or something. |
| 23:59.27 | irvined | one of my customers wants to keep track of who is referring most of their web site data (via advertising) and up until recently they jus tlooked at the top of awstats and they could see which ones where most effective, but its choked with crud now. |
| 23:59.40 | wethrin | :) |