| 00:01.31 | irvined | what i may be able to do is check each url to see if it references the site in question, that would be fairly easy, if not it could be discarded. |
| 00:02.14 | resuDaed | irvined : I have pretty much compile everything I need to boot into the kernel itself, modules are only for hotplugables and the like |
| 00:02.32 | wethrin | Modules are for wimps. |
| 00:03.13 | resuDaed | wethrin : hence only for hotpluggables -- don't want an overly bloated kernel, and don't want to recompile to hook up a camera or something |
| 00:03.58 | irvined | resuDaed, in that case you just need the kernel image. |
| 00:03.58 | resuDaed | so how do I specify root filesystem etc? |
| 00:04.07 | irvined | and no initrd=foo entry |
| 00:04.38 | irvined | ok, you have /tftpboot |
| 00:04.43 | irvined | in there you have pxelinux.0 whichis the bootloader |
| 00:04.48 | resuDaed | irvined : yes |
| 00:04.54 | Cope | Maa |
| 00:05.03 | resuDaed | mooo |
| 00:05.04 | irvined | then you have pxelinix.cfg/default |
| 00:05.06 | irvined | oink |
| 00:05.16 | wethrin | woof |
| 00:05.16 | resuDaed | not yet, this is the stage I am at |
| 00:06.20 | Cope | What are you all up to? |
| 00:06.35 | irvined | ahh ok, for now just create a default file |
| 00:07.11 | Cope | cat "foo" > default.file |
| 00:07.16 | resuDaed | how? touch /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default |
| 00:07.31 | irvined | put default linux |
| 00:07.36 | irvined | openit in an editor |
| 00:07.54 | irvined | so it should read something like: |
| 00:07.58 | irvined | DEFAULT linux |
| 00:08.05 | resuDaed | done |
| 00:08.11 | irvined | LABEL linux |
| 00:08.17 | irvined | erm no |
| 00:08.23 | irvined | it should say |
| 00:08.24 | irvined | DEFAULT linux |
| 00:08.33 | irvined | LABEL linux |
| 00:08.39 | irvined | kernel kernel_image_file_name |
| 00:08.55 | irvined | appent root=root_device other_append_options |
| 00:09.00 | irvined | s/appent/append |
| 00:09.04 | irvined | and that should do it |
| 00:09.09 | resuDaed | ty |
| 00:09.18 | irvined | http://syslinux.zytor.com/faq.php#config has the whole shebang its fairly easy |
| 00:09.18 | resuDaed | just got to wait for build to finish :-) |
| 00:09.31 | irvined | its just like lilo only slightly different syntax |
| 00:09.39 | Cope | resuDaed: What are you doing? |
| 00:10.12 | resuDaed | Cope : building diskless mini-ITX for hooking up to tv for random pointless fiddleing |
| 00:10.24 | Cope | Sweet! |
| 00:10.25 | resuDaed | irvined : makes sense |
| 00:11.23 | irvined | resuDaed, have a look at freevix.org |
| 00:11.50 | irvined | hopefully i'll be doing a lot more dev work with that. i'm currently trying to get firebird or some mozilla based browser to build against ulibc and gtkfb |
| 00:11.53 | irvined | needless to say its a slow process |
| 00:12.26 | Cope | Well, I got solaris 9 working; but can't see how to get it to co-exist with other systems: |
| 00:12.49 | Cope | I installed it on a random 8G hdd with said hdd as primary slave. |
| 00:13.00 | Cope | cd as master. |
| 00:13.06 | Cope | All worked fine. |
| 00:13.23 | resuDaed | irvined : I am building a (Wethrin -- look away now) Debian based useful box |
| 00:13.44 | Cope | Now I want to move that hdd to a secondary ide; and have my normal hdd back where the 8G was. |
| 00:13.58 | resuDaed | Cope : then put other OS as primary master, and use boot loader from other OS |
| 00:13.59 | Cope | Configured grub to chainload solaris... |
| 00:14.04 | Cope | I did! |
| 00:14.10 | resuDaed | Cope : like I said :-) |
| 00:14.14 | Cope | But... |
| 00:14.17 | irvined | resuDaed, i did have a debian diskless kicking around, i can go find it if you like - you need a lot of ram so its probably not what your looking for - this is fully diskless. |
| 00:14.36 | Cope | Solaris now has its knickers in a twist regarding disks; |
| 00:14.40 | resuDaed | irvined : I will be running over nfs, but it may be work me having a look at |
| 00:14.50 | irvined | i'll go look it out. |
| 00:14.55 | Cope | I've told it to boot the WD not the Seagate |
| 00:15.08 | resuDaed | irvined : ty |
| 00:15.21 | Cope | But when it won't play. |
| 00:15.26 | irvined | Cope, you probably need to tell it that its root fs is now on a different disk and amend /etc/fstab or solaris equivilent |
| 00:15.49 | Cope | irvined: Probably; but I can't get into the solaris system. |
| 00:16.11 | wethrin | resuDaed: Isn't what you're building an oxymoron? |
| 00:16.13 | Cope | Once it tries to boot I get a can't boot file system error, and asked to fsck |
| 00:16.27 | Cope | But can't fsck :o( says the device doesn't exist. |
| 00:16.51 | Cope | Hi wethrin |
| 00:16.55 | wethrin | Hi! |
| 00:17.08 | Cope | Have you followed what I'm wittering on about? |
| 00:17.40 | wethrin | Not really, no |
| 00:17.48 | Cope | ok |
| 00:17.51 | wethrin | That would require reading up the page |
| 00:17.53 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:18.25 | wethrin | boot -s will put you into single-user mode at the boot prompt |
| 00:18.43 | Cope | Well currently I have hda = cd hdb = linux/windows hdc=cd hdd = solaris |
| 00:19.02 | Cope | I can chainload solaris; but that's where the fun starts. |
| 00:20.04 | wethrin | http://www.kegel.com/linux/solaris.html |
| 00:24.19 | Cope | wethrin: Not quite the problem. |
| 00:24.37 | Cope | I'm now in the Solaris Device Configuration Assistant |
| 00:25.00 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 00:25.12 | Cope | It does its auto detection... |
| 00:25.21 | wethrin | Well......maybe it doesn't have the right hard drive? |
| 00:25.29 | Cope | Now it askes me to pick the device on which the kernel lies. |
| 00:25.44 | Cope | This is Target1: WDC |
| 00:26.13 | Cope | It defaults to the Seagate disk which is now the primary master, but I can over-ride it. |
| 00:26.39 | Cope | So no we have the boot screen. |
| 00:27.34 | Cope | Ok: this is where it becomes fun: |
| 00:27.59 | Cope | mount: /dev/dsk/c0d1p0: boot is not a DOS filesystem |
| 00:28.18 | Cope | /dev/dsk//c0d1s1: No such drive or address |
| 00:28.47 | Cope | The / file system (/dev/rdsk/c0s1s0) is being checked |
| 00:29.02 | Cope | Can't open /dev/rdsk/c0s1s0 |
| 00:29.11 | Cope | Bah typos" |
| 00:29.19 | Cope | c0d1s0 |
| 00:29.29 | wethrin | Hmm.... |
| 00:29.35 | Cope | Can't check file system |
| 00:29.41 | wethrin | If it's on hdd, wouldn't you want c1d1s0? |
| 00:29.54 | Cope | Unexpected inconsistency run fsk manually |
| 00:30.10 | Cope | But I can't. |
| 00:30.37 | wethrin | Does it not even give you a shell prompt? |
| 00:30.51 | Cope | Yeah, i can get a chell |
| 00:31.15 | Cope | But if I run fsck as suggested: |
| 00:31.27 | Cope | fsdk -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c0d1s0 |
| 00:31.48 | Cope | I get: |
| 00:32.01 | wethrin | Use c1d1s0 |
| 00:32.06 | Cope | Ok |
| 00:32.16 | wethrin | If you say the solaris drive is secondary slave |
| 00:32.44 | Cope | Ok |
| 00:32.57 | Cope | Can't stat /dev/rdsk/c1d1s0 |
| 00:33.30 | wethrin | c1d1s1 ? |
| 00:33.51 | Cope | Can't stat that either |
| 00:34.05 | Cope | Can't open c0d1s0 fwiw |
| 00:34.17 | wethrin | Ahh....well.....erm.... |
| 00:34.19 | wethrin | Reinstall? :) |
| 00:34.57 | Cope | That's a bit major isn't it? |
| 00:35.07 | wethrin | Maaaaybe |
| 00:35.16 | wethrin | I'm going to be installing it onto a SCSI disk, so |
| 00:35.18 | Cope | Hmm |
| 00:35.39 | wethrin | SCSI being the one true way, of course :) |
| 00:35.40 | Cope | I wonder if you can force the path to the kernel |
| 00:35.56 | wethrin | yes |
| 00:35.58 | Cope | like when you use the slack cd to rescue |
| 00:36.12 | resuDaed | I am getting a tftp timeout, yet I can manually retrieve the kernel with tftp |
| 00:37.35 | resuDaed | sooo close |
| 00:38.30 | Cope | Ok... why did root(1,1) boot windows... when that resides on the primary slave... |
| 00:38.43 | resuDaed | Cope : grub? |
| 00:38.48 | Cope | Of course |
| 00:39.03 | Cope | 0,1 should boot windows |
| 00:39.30 | resuDaed | from what you said earlier, 0 is cd, so in theory 1 is your first hdd |
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| 00:40.09 | resuDaed | with bonus tab autocompletion :-) |
| 00:40.23 | resuDaed | irvined : tftp is timing out on the boot |
| 00:40.54 | resuDaed | it is receiving dhcp ok, then I get (eventually) TFTP open timout |
| 00:41.07 | resuDaed | am debugging to the best of my extent, but fscking up somewhere |
| 00:41.08 | Cope | ok; weird 0,0 also boots windows |
| 00:43.38 | resuDaed | pxelinux.cfg/default: ... kernel bzImage-2.4.21 |
| 00:44.00 | resuDaed | that file resides in the same directory as default |
| 00:44.23 | Cope | Ok... grub tells me that hd1,0 is of type 0xbe and 1,1 is type 0x82 (ie swap) |
| 00:45.43 | Cope | And then slice 1 is boot and slice 2 is solaris, from the solaris boot screen |
| 00:47.09 | Cope | Ok we're in the boot interpreter. |
| 00:47.33 | Cope | (ie I'm in a coal cellar without a torch) |
| 00:48.05 | resuDaed | what is the standard port for tftp? |
| 00:48.56 | wethrin | 69 |
| 00:48.59 | wethrin | TCP and UDP |
| 00:49.44 | resuDaed | what would be a suitable inetd.conf entry? |
| 00:49.58 | resuDaed | tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd... is the one I have now |
| 00:50.13 | wethrin | #tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/libexec/tftpd tftpd -s /tftpboot |
| 00:50.25 | wethrin | (OpenBSD's) |
| 00:50.38 | resuDaed | so there is nothing wrong there then? |
| 00:51.07 | Cope | wethrin: Does this mean anything to you: |
| 00:51.40 | Cope | Boot path: /pci@0,0/pci-ide@7,1/ide@1/cmdk@1,0:a |
| 00:52.59 | wethrin | resuDaed: Nope |
| 00:53.18 | wethrin | Looks okay, Cope |
| 00:53.31 | wethrin | When you installed Solaris, where was the hard drive? |
| 00:53.35 | wethrin | (i.e. which controller) |
| 00:54.48 | Cope | Wethrin: Not sure I understand: the first two bits are the ide controllers, yeah? |
| 00:56.00 | resuDaed | is it possible to telnet to a UDP socker? |
| 00:56.24 | wethrin | Cope: When you installed Solaris, was the hard drive secondary slave, like it is now? |
| 00:56.32 | wethrin | resuDaed: Try netcat? |
| 00:57.35 | resuDaed | wethrin : maybe you can suggest a bettter way of verifying whether tftpd is working |
| 00:57.50 | resuDaed | I am now getting transfer timed out on local get |
| 00:58.35 | wethrin | It's been a very very long time since I've used tftp |
| 00:58.37 | resuDaed | fermat:~# netstat -pl | grep tftp |
| 00:58.37 | resuDaed | udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* 14629/inetd |
| 00:58.37 | resuDaed | udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* 14611/in.tftpd |
| 00:58.38 | resuDaed | udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* 14524/in.tftpd |
| 00:58.40 | wethrin | A few years now |
| 00:59.27 | resuDaed | tftp is using /tftpboot (755) to retrieve files mode (644) |
| 00:59.49 | wethrin | okay |
| 01:00.07 | resuDaed | so if I run tftp ... and throw commands ... |
| 01:00.11 | resuDaed | c 10.0.2.1 |
| 01:00.21 | resuDaed | g pxelinux.cfg/bzImage-2.4.21 |
| 01:00.33 | resuDaed | still ok? |
| 01:00.43 | Cope | wethrin: When I installed solaris, the hd was primary slave |
| 01:00.54 | wethrin | I don't know the TFTP command set |
| 01:01.03 | wethrin | Cope: Ah. And if you move it back there, does it work? |
| 01:01.05 | resuDaed | c = connect, g = get |
| 01:01.20 | resuDaed | client allows shorthand |
| 01:01.29 | Cope | wethrin: Physically move it inside the box? |
| 01:01.43 | wethrin | Cope: Do you need pci-ide@8,1 or something, maybe? |
| 01:01.45 | wethrin | Cope: Yeah |
| 01:01.57 | Cope | Ok... |
| 01:05.03 | Cope | Ok wdc is now primary slave |
| 01:05.35 | wethrin | kk |
| 01:05.40 | Cope | Auto booting |
| 01:06.09 | Cope | Same boot path as above |
| 01:07.14 | Cope | Ok: checked /dev/rdsk/c0d1s0 |
| 01:07.43 | Cope | Did some fixing of truncated inodes |
| 01:07.53 | Cope | Then got unexpected inconsistency |
| 01:08.14 | wethrin | kk |
| 01:10.28 | Cope | Ok did some fixing and asked me to remove some files... I said no |
| 01:10.48 | Cope | Ended saying it can't find inode 17803 |
| 01:10.55 | Cope | Back in # |
| 01:11.18 | Cope | init 0 |
| 01:11.57 | Cope | Hmm |
| 01:12.06 | Cope | shutdown -i 1? |
| 01:12.24 | wethrin | halt |
| 01:12.26 | wethrin | ? |
| 01:12.30 | Cope | reboot |
| 01:12.32 | Cope | :o) |
| 01:12.52 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:13.20 | Cope | Ok... let's see what happens now |
| 01:14.47 | Cope | Still wants me to fsck |
| 01:16.05 | Cope | Ok - still wants me to remove some files: |
| 01:16.16 | Cope | I don't want to remove files! |
| 01:16.39 | Cope | /var/sadm/install/contents - that can go, I reckon. |
| 01:17.22 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.25 | Cope | Yeah ok |
| 01:17.42 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.45 | Cope | No harm there |
| 01:18.04 | Cope | Oooh /usr/kernel/drv/llc2 |
| 01:18.13 | Cope | Not sure about that |
| 01:19.10 | irvined | resuDaed, i've had that before, do you have a next-server tag in your dhcpd.conf? |
| 01:19.33 | resuDaed | irvined : yes ...next-server 10.0.2.1; |
| 01:19.51 | resuDaed | irvined : but I cant seem to retrieve files locally |
| 01:20.05 | resuDaed | that's what's confusing me |
| 01:20.06 | irvined | then is the filename tag set to to /tftpboot/pxelinux.0 or pxelinux.0 try changing the order if it fails (i'm assuming you dont get the pxe linux menu) |
| 01:20.17 | irvined | are the files world readable? |
| 01:20.23 | irvined | ok, tftp localhost |
| 01:20.25 | irvined | get pxelinux.0 |
| 01:20.27 | resuDaed | dirs are 755, and files 644 |
| 01:20.34 | irvined | if that fails, try get /tftpboot/pxelinux.0 |
| 01:20.41 | irvined | and check that pxelinux.0 isnt 0k in size. |
| 01:20.46 | irvined | i've had that problem with debian before |
| 01:20.55 | murble | faililng all that use etherboot :) |
| 01:21.02 | irvined | etherboot, bah! |
| 01:21.08 | Cope | /usr/kernel/strmod/spppasyn too |
| 01:21.10 | irvined | its nice, but pxe is nucer. |
| 01:21.36 | Cope | Sod it - if I break it who cares. |
| 01:21.42 | resuDaed | irvined : both transfers are timing out |
| 01:22.02 | irvined | ok. can you try turning on debuggin in tftpd? |
| 01:22.24 | resuDaed | irvined /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -d? |
| 01:22.31 | Cope | Ok - its shagged; a million more files it wants me to remove. |
| 01:23.12 | irvined | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -d -v -v |
| 01:23.18 | irvined | and stop it running from inet.d |
| 01:24.08 | resuDaed | yeah, I already killed inetd |
| 01:26.01 | resuDaed | irvined : not getting anything output wise from the daemon |
| 01:26.37 | resuDaed | could it be because tftpd is only running on udp? |
| 01:26.41 | resuDaed | next-server 10.0.2.1; |
| 01:27.03 | resuDaed | s/knows/knocks |
| 01:28.52 | irvined | ok, try installing tftp-hpa i've had problems with the default in the past. |
| 01:33.45 | resuDaed | irvined : for some reason I am stil getting timeouts :-S |
| 01:34.25 | resuDaed | and nothing from verbose |
| 01:46.30 | Cope | wethrin: ping? |
| 01:50.05 | wethrin | pong |
| 01:50.17 | Cope | Ah! |
| 01:50.22 | Cope | FreeBSD as desktop |
| 01:50.40 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:50.59 | Cope | I've been looking at my needs; and given that my computers have their guts on the floor, my data is backed up, and one hdd needs to be reinstalled... |
| 01:51.13 | Cope | I've worked out my needs for the medium term... |
| 01:51.33 | wethrin | Beer? |
| 01:52.01 | Cope | viz: 1 x server (web, ftp, mail) 1 x minimal desktop (web, pda, camera, office) 1 x Solaris |
| 01:52.20 | Cope | Pondering what to use for the minimal desktop |
| 01:52.41 | Cope | Only have a 2G space for it; but it won't be storing any data |
| 01:52.50 | wethrin | twm |
| 01:54.05 | Cope | wethrin: Ah... I meant using freebsd... could you get that pretty lean? |
| 01:54.24 | Cope | And what's its usb / hotplugging support like? |
| 01:54.40 | wethrin | Fairly good |
| 01:54.51 | wethrin | twm is lean :) |
| 01:54.53 | wethrin | (or fvwm) |
| 01:54.58 | Cope | blackbox |
| 01:55.07 | wethrin | Windowmaker/Afterstep |
| 01:55.44 | Cope | I'd use slackware or debian normally, but could give freebsd a go. |
| 01:55.56 | wethrin | Good idea |
| 01:56.23 | murble | Cope: by default freebsd uses very little space. |
| 01:56.31 | Cope | Maybe fedora; but my experience of getting redhat installs lean isn't that great. |
| 01:56.33 | murble | or atleast not hta tmuch. |
| 01:56.56 | murble | i have it running in a 486 with only 2 486 erra sized disks doing firewallage for a school in .be |
| 01:57.01 | wethrin | Hah. Fedora is just RedHat with another name (ATM) |
| 01:57.01 | murble | era |
| 01:57.07 | murble | wethrin: is it? |
| 01:57.22 | wethrin | It seemed so |
| 01:57.33 | Cope | wethrin: Patch rh 9? |
| 01:57.41 | wethrin | You can do |
| 01:58.01 | Cope | wethrin: Sorry - I meant did you find it was just a patched rh 9? |
| 01:58.28 | wethrin | I didn't really investigate closely |
| 01:58.39 | wethrin | Installer-wise it was RedHat with a name change. |
| 01:58.45 | Cope | ok |
| 01:58.48 | wethrin | Same with the desktop |
| 01:58.55 | Cope | right |
| 01:58.58 | wethrin | So you're looking at about 1GB of space at least :) |
| 02:01.46 | resuDaed | ? |
| 02:02.10 | Cope | Just never done it before, and not sure how well supported it is. |
| 02:03.10 | irvined | >bed |
| 02:03.23 | resuDaed | irvined : got booting kernel now |
| 02:08.05 | wethrin | Righty. Good night, everyone. |
| 02:08.12 | Cope | nn all |
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| 03:13.52 | pdr | anyone around? |
| 04:01.23 | pdr | i guess that's a no.. |
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| 06:10.43 | Cope | Hi nasrat |
| 06:10.58 | nasrat | hi Cope |
| 06:11.43 | nasrat | lack of sleep not good |
| 06:13.09 | Cope | However, awesome performance from p200 mmx with blackbox and dillo is very good. |
| 06:18.48 | nasrat | yeah, blackbox is quite lightweight - not used dillo though |
| 06:20.19 | Cope | dillo is awesome; needs gtk but nothing else; is very small and lightning fast; also checks html of sites and refuses them if they try to do sneaky things. |
| 06:21.04 | Cope | Of course it doesn't have plug-ins etc; but I never use them anyway. |
| 06:21.32 | Cope | But for a quick and lightweight browser on an old machine its awesome. |
| 07:49.10 | Tarragon | Moin. Back to work :-( |
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| 09:56.44 | evangineer | moin |
| 09:59.12 | zachary | moin |
| 10:37.16 | zachary | It's snowing! |
| 10:52.05 | evangineer | It's raining down here. |
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| 10:52.46 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 10:52.58 | nasrat | grr, power failure at work |
| 10:53.03 | zachary | mixed snow/rain, but getting some nice size flakes, now and then. |
| 10:53.06 | zachary | moin jason |
| 10:53.36 | jason_ukfsn | zachary: just the man! Have you seen this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3353697.stm ? |
| 10:53.43 | jason_ukfsn | I think it looks a bit like you ;) |
| 10:54.10 | jason_ukfsn | have you been in Leeds lately? |
| 10:56.34 | zachary | Not too much a resemblance. Actully looks like a friend of mine, but a decade of age differance. |
| 10:56.59 | jason_ukfsn | Well then you wont have to worry that I've just been on the phone reporting that it's you ;) |
| 10:57.10 | jason_ukfsn | Can you confirm your address please |
| 10:57.39 | zachary | Well, I did want to get an extension on my visa. |
| 10:58.08 | jason_ukfsn | great - I'll be doing you a favour then |
| 11:01.01 | zachary | Are you that desperate for the 25k? |
| 11:01.06 | jason_ukfsn | yes! |
| 11:01.34 | jason_ukfsn | but I can get by with half. If you'll make a confession I'll give you 12.5K of it ;) |
| 11:02.35 | zachary | So, what's the penalty for killing a policeman in this country? |
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| 11:03.32 | jason_ukfsn | a good kicking in the cells (for which you later sue the police for compensation) and 10-15 years of a life sentence |
| 11:04.05 | jason_ukfsn | you don't have to accept that however as once the reward is paid out you can recant the confession and they wont have any evidence against you. |
| 11:04.24 | jason_ukfsn | At that point you can claim they tortured the confession out of you and go for more compensation |
| 11:05.19 | zachary | Doubt they would let me have my lapi in prison. Which would make for some great coding sessions. |
| 11:06.10 | jason_ukfsn | given how easy it is to obtain illegal substances in prison I doubt it would be too hard to source a laptop |
| 11:08.54 | zachary | I'll pass. Even though my daughter and son have me on the edge of insanity. I think it is better time spent with them. |
| 11:09.20 | jason_ukfsn | humph! I think that's very selfish of you :( |
| 11:10.41 | jason_ukfsn | I'm inconsolable |
| 11:11.03 | jason_ukfsn | Well..., I suppose a pint or two the next time I see you *might* provide some consolation |
| 11:11.36 | zachary | Going to the pub meet on the 3rd? |
| 11:12.04 | jason_ukfsn | probably although I cannot be sure yet. |
| 11:14.03 | jason_ukfsn | we did that in february didn't we? |
| 11:14.27 | zachary | yea, not even a 1/4 inch. |
| 11:15.11 | jason_ukfsn | I thought we were dicussing the weather now? |
| 11:16.21 | zachary | You are starting to sound like leeds. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? |
| 11:17.24 | highbury | morning guys |
| 11:17.26 | jason_ukfsn | LOL, no I'm just feeling particularly flippant. |
| 11:17.31 | jason_ukfsn | morning highbury |
| 11:17.42 | zachary | moin highbury |
| 11:18.05 | zachary | Time to feed the leach again. |
| 11:18.39 | highbury | ahh, is corbin totally on formula now? |
| 11:19.38 | zachary | Yes, but he did try to latch on to me this morning.(Talk about frightening experiences) |
| 11:19.45 | highbury | LOL |
| 11:20.16 | highbury | they do have an amizingly strong gummy bite |
| 11:21.53 | jason_ukfsn | zachary: my wife had a thing about trying to catch me out with ours when they were babies. |
| 11:23.57 | highbury | any Demon people with a view on their introduction of spam-filtering to be introduced and enabled immediately? |
| 11:24.34 | highbury | I'd prefer they just rated the email and let people filter it themselves |
| 11:24.34 | jason_ukfsn | are they enabling it on all accounts without specific consent? |
| 11:24.55 | jason_ukfsn | If so it's probably illegal as you need specific permission to filter someone's private email. |
| 11:24.56 | highbury | one has to explictly disable it |
| 11:25.25 | jason_ukfsn | have they done a compulsory change of terms with correct (minimum 30 days) notice to all users? |
| 11:26.10 | jason_ukfsn | I'm about to implement amavis with clamav and spamassassin at UKFSN and UKPOST however the default will be not to filter anything. |
| 11:26.12 | highbury | not sure, but I've just disabled it, via their web cgi form |
| 11:26.45 | highbury | they're using http://www.brightmail.com/ |
| 11:26.54 | jason_ukfsn | I know |
| 11:27.14 | jason_ukfsn | I think that would make the legality of a non opt in system even less likely |
| 11:27.42 | jason_ukfsn | passing email to a 3rd party without specific consent is definitely a breach of the DPA and human rights legislation. |
| 11:29.52 | murble | jason_ukfsn: so how does smtp work? if you have a secondary mx at a 3rd party do you need to get everyone who sends you email to give consent? |
| 11:34.53 | jason_ukfsn | murble: MX doesn't mean content scanning. Filtering systems specifically intercept and scan the content of the message and that it private |
| 11:35.54 | jason_ukfsn | s/it/is/ |
| 11:37.43 | murble | I thought the consens was that if it was automiated, it didn't count as interception |
| 11:40.45 | jason_ukfsn | in law automation is irrelevant - would you be happy if the govt. were allowed to breach your human rights in other areas just because they automate the processes involved? |
| 11:41.54 | jason_ukfsn | also most credit and debit card transactions online are automated - that doesn't strip you of the rights you have to be protected against abuse there. |
| 11:50.08 | wethrin | Morning |
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| 12:05.45 | nasrat | anyone in the city experience pwr outage? |
| 12:06.39 | wethrin | I'm out of the city, and we're fine. Even with snow. |
| 12:06.44 | wethrin | Christmas Lecture time. Byee |
| 12:17.10 | zachary | nasrat: Fine in Marylebone. |
| 12:43.41 | Cope | nasrat: fine in NW6 |
| 12:43.46 | Cope | Hi all. |
| 12:55.43 | evangineer | nasrat: fine in E11 |
| 12:55.54 | evangineer | Hey, Cope! |
| 12:56.43 | jason_ukfsn | time to be gone |
| 13:00.01 | Cope | hi evangineer! |
| 13:01.04 | evangineer | Cope: I see you're running Blackbox now |
| 13:01.30 | Cope | evangineer: yeah moved from fluxbox |
| 13:02.24 | evangineer | Cope: Running on slackware? |
| 13:02.38 | Cope | of course :o) |
| 13:03.00 | Cope | Although I'm having a bash at installing suse 9.0 for a desktop machine |
| 13:03.37 | Cope | I used 8.2 on my laptop, and it was excellent. |
| 13:04.46 | Cope | Plus I might recommend it in the Dad/Sister/XP disaster scenario |
| 13:04.49 | evangineer | I'm just reading an article on Fedora vs SUSE, http://www.newsforge.com/os/03/12/18/137237.shtml?tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 |
| 13:04.58 | Cope | Oh ace |
| 13:06.29 | evangineer | Suse seems to have the edge in terms of the desktop user experience, but is not recommended for anything less than a P3 600 |
| 13:07.07 | Cope | Yeah, SUSE has been the best desktop for some time, imo; I just don't like all that YaST stuff |
| 13:08.45 | Cope | Its the linux desktop that Sophie likes best; and everything just works, so for a machine that is literally just web, office, camera it's probably ideal. |
| 13:09.07 | Cope | And I'm guessing 9.0 is a decent upgrade on 8.2 too. |
| 13:09.11 | evangineer | I run slack, because I'm not interested in things like YaST. |
| 13:09.18 | Cope | Indeed |
| 13:10.21 | evangineer | Desktop-wise, I'm using xfce4 with menumaker. |
| 13:12.04 | evangineer | Will suse run fast enough on the box in question? |
| 13:12.24 | Cope | I love slack, but when I want an easy life with plug-and-play pdas, printing, digital camera etc it takes a long time to get it set up... trade that against that I dislike yast, rpm, bloat and I have to decide which was to go. |
| 13:12.41 | Cope | Evangineer: yeah, it will befine - duron 900 256M |
| 13:15.23 | evangineer | Looks like you're good to go then |
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| 14:10.24 | highbury | generally I'd agree with the article comments, saying it was a poor review |
| 14:19.09 | Cope | Hmm... not sure I agree with some of the points, but then I'm an experienced user; and SUSE is very easy to install imo. |
| 14:32.50 | Cope | It's confirmed: William can smile. |
| 14:41.14 | highbury | it does make it real worthwhile :-) |
| 14:46.48 | Cope | 18 days - quite young to be able to smile. |
| 14:47.18 | Cope | Hmm... and Sophie can -nearly- fit into her size 8 jeans now. |
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| 14:52.32 | pszopinski | hi. |
| 14:54.15 | Cope | Hello |
| 14:54.39 | pszopinski | what's up? :-) |
| 14:56.53 | pszopinski | i'm trying Fedora. |
| 14:56.56 | pszopinski | it's nice. |
| 14:57.13 | pszopinski | but not for my machine. |
| 14:57.15 | pszopinski | :-/ |
| 14:57.48 | Cope | Heh# |
| 14:57.51 | pszopinski | 266MHz and 96MB RAM is too less for Gnome 2.4 and gadgets. |
| 14:58.03 | Cope | Yeah. |
| 14:58.09 | pszopinski | :-) |
| 14:58.32 | pszopinski | but i'm suprised with KDE 3.1.4. |
| 14:58.37 | Cope | I'm using a much lower spec machine than that now, with blackbox and dillo - running fast and looking good. |
| 14:59.10 | pszopinski | i'm a fluxbox user. :-) |
| 14:59.54 | Cope | Well, on a low machine the extra functionality that fluxbox gives you isn't needed; eg pictures on tye desktop and interface with gonme |
| 15:01.15 | pszopinski | main thing why i'm using fluxbox are the tabs. |
| 15:01.21 | pszopinski | :-) |
| 15:01.26 | Cope | Ah ok |
| 15:02.55 | pszopinski | Cope: what distro you're using? |
| 15:03.02 | Cope | slackware |
| 15:03.33 | pszopinski | and what you think about swaret? |
| 15:04.22 | Cope | I disaprove in principle; if you want automatic binary package installers, why not use debian? |
| 15:05.01 | Cope | Or use pkgadd with eg netbsd |
| 15:07.39 | pszopinski | debian community, terms, automats etc. it's too much for me. and packages are more partitioned, like headers, binary etc, and stable line is too old. |
| 15:07.45 | Cope | Slackware is simple; that's its great strength; you get a rock solid base; if you want other packages there are .tgzs available on slackware.org or linuxpackages.net; but I tend to build from source, manually. |
| 15:08.57 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 15:09.03 | Cope | Woo wethrin |
| 15:09.06 | wethrin | Eek! |
| 15:09.07 | evangineer | Hey wethrin |
| 15:10.18 | pszopinski | Cope: i'm a developer of some other RPM based disto, called PLD, but i'm little confused now, when I'm trying to think about future of that distro. time to the changes. |
| 15:10.36 | evangineer | Re swaret. I use slapt-get for keeping machines up to date with latest patches. I've also used it to upgrade one machine from 9.0 to 9.1 |
| 15:10.37 | pszopinski | wethrin: hi. |
| 15:10.42 | wethrin | Hmmm.....we appear to be overrun by Poles :) |
| 15:11.26 | pszopinski | wethrin: i'm this same guy from a pub, early november. |
| 15:11.28 | wethrin | First gregj.... |
| 15:11.39 | wethrin | Aaah. Pawel? |
| 15:11.43 | pszopinski | yeah, greg's friend. |
| 15:11.44 | pszopinski | :-) |
| 15:11.52 | wethrin | Ahh. You're using a different nickname |
| 15:12.11 | pszopinski | yes. :-) |
| 15:12.27 | Cope | pszopinski: have baby here, so slow responses |
| 15:12.32 | evangineer | Cope: I used to build from source manually, but these days I use pwbuilder when I can. It provides a ports-like system for slackware. |
| 15:13.49 | Cope | well, unless you are sold on the linux kernel and way of doing things, if you want a ports system, why not use *bsd rather than a copy? |
| 15:14.29 | evangineer | Cope: I have also created a number of ports using pwbuilder some of which I have submitted back to the developers. |
| 15:14.57 | evangineer | Cope: I haven't managed to motivate myself to make the leap to FreeBSD yet! |
| 15:14.58 | pszopinski | Cope: small-supported-hardware-list, i'm talking about BSD. |
| 15:15.05 | pszopinski | in my choice. |
| 15:15.28 | Cope | I like slackware because apart from lfs its the only distro I have used where I feel in control; don't have other 'tools' that I don't use taking up space and resurces, and which I can get a small, lean system. |
| 15:15.48 | Cope | Debian base-install excpeted, maybe. |
| 15:17.01 | pszopinski | pszopinski@venus:~$ whereis slackware-version |
| 15:17.01 | pszopinski | slackware-version: /etc/slackware-version |
| 15:17.04 | Cope | pszopinski: Have you checked your hardware to dsee if it is supported, or is that your guess? |
| 15:17.08 | pszopinski | you're not alone. ;-) |
| 15:17.32 | pszopinski | Cope: I check in use. |
| 15:17.49 | evangineer | slack lends itself well to script-based system admin |
| 15:17.57 | Cope | Sure. |
| 15:18.19 | Cope | And the slack scripts themselves are clear, well written and well commented. |
| 15:19.34 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:21.57 | Cope | 2+ hours into install and we're on 46% |
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| 17:41.35 | pszopinski | :-) |
| 17:41.42 | pszopinski | geramik rox. |
| 17:42.14 | pszopinski | it's better than bluecurve. :-) |
| 17:42.28 | wethrin | So's a kick in the teeth |
| 17:42.43 | pszopinski | wethrin: why? :-) |
| 17:42.59 | wethrin | Don't like Bluecurve very much :) |
| 17:43.18 | pszopinski | now all my apps from gtk1, gtk2 to qt look same. |
| 17:46.02 | pszopinski | geramik is theme for gtk1/2 with special engine, that engine taking KDE/QT wget prefs, fonts/colors etc and you can use this same schema in gtk. :-) |
| 17:46.29 | pszopinski | my dream is comming - one wiget desktop. |
| 17:46.51 | pszopinski | windows! ;-P |
| 17:47.20 | evangineer | Looks like geramik might solve a problem that I've had since upgrading to xfce4. |
| 17:47.57 | evangineer | gtk2 apps look great, but sylpheed-claws (gtk1) looks really awful! |
| 17:48.19 | pszopinski | i know you pain. ;-) |
| 17:48.24 | pszopinski | s/you/your/ |
| 17:50.26 | pszopinski | i use one powrful app, called J-Pilot to sync with my palm, but it's still working only with gtk1. |
| 17:53.14 | pszopinski | s/"i use"/"i'm using"/ |
| 17:53.18 | pszopinski | i hope. ;-) |
| 17:53.43 | pszopinski | evangineer: what distro you're using? |
| 17:54.24 | evangineer | ps: slackware 9.1 |
| 17:54.32 | pszopinski | evangineer: I have ready to use Slackware packages. ;-) |
| 17:54.37 | pszopinski | for i686. |
| 17:55.09 | pszopinski | I'm using 9.1 too. |
| 17:55.10 | evangineer | psz: does that include qtpixmap? |
| 17:55.37 | pszopinski | qtpixmap is one package and geramik is a next. |
| 17:56.12 | pszopinski | all what you need is a gtk1, glib, gtk2, glib2. |
| 17:56.12 | evangineer | send them to me please! |
| 17:56.25 | pszopinski | ok, wait. |
| 17:57.27 | evangineer | How do you switch themes for gtk1? |
| 17:58.43 | pszopinski | http://www.kernel.pl/~t0tal/slackware-9.1/ |
| 18:00.14 | pszopinski | when you will install geramik, you must create link /usr/share/themes/Geramik/gtk/gtkrc -> $HOME/.gtkrc |
| 18:00.29 | evangineer | okay |
| 18:00.52 | evangineer | The website is a bit slow!] |
| 18:01.12 | pszopinski | hm, 155Mbps. |
| 18:01.27 | pszopinski | i don't have problems. |
| 18:01.41 | pszopinski | from Zen and Project Telecom to Poland. |
| 18:01.58 | pszopinski | but maybe it's your provider. |
| 18:02.00 | evangineer | My fault! a typo. |
| 18:02.25 | evangineer | I've got the packages now! ;-) |
| 18:02.29 | pszopinski | that host is in this same room where siting polish sunsite. ;-) |
| 18:04.12 | evangineer | Running installpkg now! |
| 18:04.50 | pszopinski | it's a mirror of kernel.org, anyway try packages. ;-) |
| 18:08.40 | evangineer | I've installed the pkgs, created the symlink and restarted sylpheed-claws. The panels now have a white background but the widgets still look the same! |
| 18:08.55 | pszopinski | hm. |
| 18:09.28 | pszopinski | i haope you have installed KDE/QT and Keramik theme selected. |
| 18:09.34 | pszopinski | s/haope/hope/ |
| 18:09.54 | evangineer | I have qt but no kde. |
| 18:10.42 | pszopinski | probable you don't have Keramik engine. |
| 18:10.51 | pszopinski | what's with KDE. |
| 18:10.54 | pszopinski | IMHO. |
| 18:11.01 | pszopinski | :-/ |
| 18:11.29 | evangineer | I use xfce desktop with gtk2 and gtk1 apps only. |
| 18:11.50 | evangineer | Haven't installed kde. |
| 18:12.37 | evangineer | Guess I need a theme that is not dependent on kde. |
| 18:14.13 | pszopinski | uhm, this is a part of KDE, i'm using KDE 3.1.4 from 9.1 and it's ok. i'm testing GIMP now and it's look same like rest of QT desktop. |
| 18:14.49 | pszopinski | evangineer: solution for you i bluecurve or maybe other shared engine for both gtk. |
| 18:15.00 | pszopinski | s/i/is/ |
| 18:17.46 | pszopinski | on freshmeat you should find some shared engine themes for gtk1/2. |
| 18:19.29 | evangineer | pszopinski: I had a look at freshmeat yesterday, but I was a little confused by the installation issues. I'll try again now. |
| 18:19.48 | pszopinski | evangineer: use gdkxft i you want antialiased in gtk1, it's work too. |
| 18:19.54 | pszopinski | s/i/if/ |
| 18:21.18 | Cope | Hello you two. |
| 18:21.36 | pszopinski | :-) |
| 18:21.40 | pszopinski | hi Cope. |
| 18:21.43 | evangineer | Hey Cope |
| 18:23.11 | Cope | Well, install finished, but has crashed; restarted -> grub -> boots -> X (still installation screen) -> crash |
| 18:23.24 | Cope | Bah |
| 18:24.25 | pszopinski | nice, and Novel bought it? ;-) |
| 18:30.19 | Cope | ok - got to really hack as its set a kbd where I can't get a | |
| 18:41.14 | wethrin | Hmmmm |
| 18:45.44 | Cope | Hmmms... time to change default run level from rescue disk. |
| 18:47.40 | wethrin | I hope everyone from here will be at the pub on Saturday? |
| 18:47.57 | Cope | what time? |
| 18:48.17 | wethrin | 5p |
| 18:48.18 | wethrin | 5pm |
| 18:48.31 | wethrin | Pillars of Hercules |
| 18:53.58 | wethrin | They server whiskys, I think, if baby gets too noisy :) |
| 18:54.19 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 18:54.20 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:54.45 | Cope | :-P |
| 18:55.15 | Cope | I feel I ought to be able to fix it from a root prompt though... |
| 18:55.37 | wethrin | You're thinking like an old-school. Toggle in the boot code.... |
| 18:55.51 | wethrin | You should be thinking like the new pointy-clicky-drooly crowd |
| 18:56.55 | Cope | Well, I can get a root prompt by using the rescue disk, which -still- dumps me in X which I can't kill, typing init 1 to get to single user, and then I have some power. |
| 18:59.02 | Cope | I don't know why I ever bother, every time I try one of these new-fangled things it bites me in the bum. |
| 18:59.09 | wethrin | Then don't :) |
| 18:59.21 | wethrin | I have some SCO Xenix/286 disk images if you want them.... |
| 19:01.17 | Cope | I make the same mistake every time - I think 'Ah - this will do X Y and Z automagically, and save me time' but the automagic thing fscks up, I have to fix it... |
| 19:01.25 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:01.44 | Cope | ...by which time I could be in a running slackware system which I always prefers, and is always quicker. |
| 19:02.51 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:03.55 | Cope | Hmm... progress. |
| 19:04.27 | wethrin | What? Installing Slack? |
| 19:05.09 | Cope | Well, I tried one more time, using the boot disk kernel, and its carried on its pretty installation process; so lets see what happens. |
| 19:08.04 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:09.09 | wethrin | brb - reboot for security updates |
| 19:20.18 | wethrin | Back |
| 19:26.03 | wethrin | Zoot! |
| 19:27.09 | Cope | ok... we have X, No network, crap display |
| 19:27.16 | Cope | This, we can fix. |
| 19:27.40 | evangineer | If anybody has a good solution for theming legacy gtk1 apps, esp. under xfce4; now would be a good time to speak up. |
| 19:29.45 | evangineer | gtk-theme-switch requires a libpixmap which of course is not the one that ships with gtk2. |
| 19:33.53 | JD | wethrin: naughty naughty zoot |
| 19:37.02 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 19:37.52 | Cope | So its not included kernel modules, and hasn't build the right module into the kernel; no I have to build a kernel now to get networking up, |
| 19:38.53 | wethrin | You have a weird network card, then |
| 19:49.28 | wethrin | What card do you have? |
| 19:52.39 | Cope | I don't have the kernel source... hmm.. ok copying the rescue kernel from the cd which has the drivers. |
| 19:55.15 | Cope | wethrin: isa 3c509 |
| 19:55.26 | Cope | And yes, I know its old... blah blah |
| 19:55.35 | wethrin | I've got them. |
| 19:55.37 | Cope | JD is giving me a new shiny one! |
| 19:55.40 | Cope | I love it. |
| 19:55.42 | wethrin | Wonderful cards. Worked perfectly :) |
| 19:56.06 | Cope | It always works for me, sometimes needs irq tweaking. |
| 19:56.13 | wethrin | Never any problems with Linux. Although I often had to manually tell the installer what card I had |
| 19:56.26 | Cope | Sod this. |
| 19:56.28 | Cope | :o) |
| 19:56.32 | zachary | Cope: I have about three of the 3c509 UTP/BNC/AUI |
| 19:56.40 | Cope | It'll be all over in 30 mins. |
| 19:56.41 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:56.42 | wethrin | Yes |
| 19:58.54 | Cope | I'm not going to take the cd-writer out of the !suse machine, put it in this one, sort out ide-scsi, download kernel source, burn it to cd, move cdrom back, build kernel. |
| 20:00.32 | wethrin | You're not? |
| 20:02.13 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:02.59 | Cope | It was a weird feeling though, being in suse, trying to fix things from a terminal with MBs of pretty tools all around me doing nothing. |
| 20:03.31 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:03.43 | evangineer | Cope: there's a lesson in there somewhere! ;-) |
| 20:04.19 | zachary | Yea, If you don't like things GUI, stay out of the kitchen! |
| 20:05.35 | evangineer | I guess you could say GUIs are for WIMPs!] |
| 20:05.39 | Cope | Hmm - what shall I use for my pretty desktop? Stay lean with fluxbox, try gnome, or go with kde? |
| 20:06.01 | Cope | What's gnome like these days? |
| 20:06.12 | Cope | (wethrin: horrible) |
| 20:06.22 | wethrin | (agreed) |
| 20:06.31 | zachary | Blackbox, Openbox. |
| 20:06.34 | evangineer | dunno! |
| 20:06.40 | wethrin | Go with KDE for eye candy. |
| 20:06.46 | wethrin | Go for WindowMaker |
| 20:07.00 | zachary | Wow, wethrin, depends on the box. |
| 20:07.12 | wethrin | Well, yes. |
| 20:07.12 | evangineer | xfce has eye candy and is lean |
| 20:07.17 | Cope | It's got to be Sophie friendly. |
| 20:07.44 | wethrin | WindowMaker is the GNU version of NeXT/OpenStep. |
| 20:07.54 | wethrin | Something from the hand of Jobs - how bad can it be? ;-) |
| 20:09.05 | wethrin | Mmmm. Having rebooted OS X, it's suddenly wonderfull responsive again |
| 20:09.20 | wethrin | 'tis a nasrat |
| 20:09.23 | zachary | Is their a way I can redirect the output of a process from a ssh session to a vt on another box? |
| 20:09.26 | nasrat | wethrin: indeed |
| 20:09.31 | zachary | evening nasrat. |
| 20:10.43 | nasrat | hi zachary |
| 20:11.13 | zachary | How did the power thing go this morning? |
| 20:11.52 | nasrat | came back after lunch |
| 20:13.03 | wethrin | zachary: Use screen |
| 20:16.37 | zachary | wethrin: thanks |
| 20:19.57 | wethrin | Hmmm...... |
| 20:20.38 | wethrin | No, it's not. |
| 20:20.45 | wethrin | It's just horrendously indented |
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| 20:23.32 | Xiaoqi_ | hiya! |
| 20:25.41 | JD | hi |
| 20:26.05 | Xiaoqi_ | JD, hows you? |
| 20:26.14 | JD | wethrin: vim reindenting |
| 20:26.17 | JD | Xiaoqi_: good |
| 20:26.23 | JD | bit busy talk in a bit |
| 20:26.27 | Xiaoqi_ | ok |
| 20:27.23 | wethrin | wethrin: Hmmm |
| 20:49.01 | *** join/#gllug irvined (~irvined@home.irvined.co.uk) |
| 21:00.06 | wethrin | 'lo irvined |
| 21:20.03 | irvined | hi wethrin |
| 21:45.26 | Cope | How do you set a target directory for tar when untarring a tarball? |
| 21:46.12 | Cope | eg You have foo.tar in /home/cope but want to untar it into /home/sophie |
| 21:49.36 | wethrin | -D |
| 21:56.42 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:57.21 | wethrin | Well don't give it to us\ |
| 21:57.23 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:57.53 | Cope | Incidentally, for binaries like Mozilla Firebird and OopenOfficce, where should they be put to be available to all users? |
| 21:58.04 | wethrin | /dev/null |
| 21:58.07 | wethrin | (ideally) |
| 21:58.15 | evangineer | Congrats on the new install |
| 21:58.21 | wethrin | but /usr/local/bin, otherwise |
| 21:58.26 | Cope | ibot lart wethrin |
| 22:03.14 | Cope | q was countinging seconds before that rejoinder. |
| 22:03.28 | Cope | Not that q is anywhere near I |
| 22:03.29 | wethrin | ? |
| 22:04.11 | evangineer | obviously Xiaoqi wasn't impressed by that rejoinder! |
| 22:10.51 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 22:18.10 | Cope | I may be talking out of my behind, but since when did you need a scsi driver to mount a usb mass storage device? |
| 22:19.43 | wethrin | Since USB mass storage was in the kernel |
| 22:20.08 | Cope | So usb mass storage devices are treated as scsi devices? |
| 22:20.14 | wethrin | Yep |
| 22:20.22 | Cope | </taling out of my behind> |
| 22:21.22 | Cope | Anyway, subject to me writing an automated script, camera is working :o) |
| 22:21.32 | wethrin | cool |
| 22:37.53 | Cope | Is libXm.so.2 in lesstif? |
| 22:48.50 | wethrin | Pass |
| 22:52.50 | Cope | google groups says yes |
| 23:07.47 | Cope | Hmmm OOo 1.1 is nice! |
| 23:21.39 | wethrin | (Dave Brubeck)++ |
| 23:40.33 | wethrin | drunkenly? |
| 23:46.40 | Cope | Hmm...wine - but no wine glasses. |
| 23:46.51 | wethrin | Drink from the bottle. |
| 23:46.51 | Cope | Wine from bone china tea cup? |
| 23:47.01 | Cope | Bone china tea cup? |
| 23:47.02 | wethrin | I had Elderflower wine today. |
| 23:52.51 | JD | have I missed nikki? |
| 23:53.23 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:53.40 | Cope | 22:10 -!- Xiaoqi_ [~nikki@negativezero.plus.com] has quit |
| 23:53.57 | JD | bugger |
| 23:54.05 | JD | is she in scotland now? |
| 23:54.12 | wethrin | JD: Will you be in the pub on Saturday? |
| 23:54.16 | wethrin | Probably |
| 23:54.46 | wethrin | Well, her away message says that she's travelling, etc. |
| 23:58.40 | JD | wethrin: I intend to be |
| 23:58.49 | wethrin | Good. |
| 23:58.59 | wethrin | Are you going to be at any of the computer fairs, BTW? |