| 00:02.49 | wethrin | Hmm. BSD has a 'leave' command, which reminds you when to leave (5 minutes before you have to leave, and every minutes thereafter) |
| 00:02.52 | wethrin | Neat. |
| 00:03.12 | wethrin | Lucky snowboarding bastard! |
| 00:06.09 | wethrin | *giggle* |
| 00:06.09 | wethrin | More pedantic man page formatting insanity, lalala |
| 00:06.17 | wethrin | (from a CVS entry log) |
| 00:29.40 | wethrin | nn all |
| 01:47.54 | resuDaed | anyone still up? |
| 01:48.51 | Cope | Hi tom |
| 01:49.00 | resuDaed | evening Cope |
| 01:49.16 | resuDaed | Cope : you know any good methods for a central login server? |
| 01:50.48 | resuDaed | I am trying to get a single server (without a harddisk) to centrally monitor and authenticate a VPN mixing both windoze and various falvours of unix (including login) |
| 01:51.47 | resuDaed | (the without a harddisk bit is pure (complicated) fun) |
| 01:51.58 | Cope | resuDaed: Yeah, hang on - I've read a howto on something like this. |
| 01:52.03 | Cope | Without a hdd |
| 01:52.14 | resuDaed | the without a hdd bit I am working on atm |
| 01:52.42 | resuDaed | I have a box downloading its kernel and mounting root over nfs from the PXE bootloader on the network card |
| 01:52.55 | resuDaed | (hooked up to a widescreen tv) |
| 01:53.00 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 01:53.18 | Cope | Sweet! |
| 01:53.36 | Cope | BTW is your house huge or something, to accomodate so many geeky projects? |
| 01:53.43 | resuDaed | I need to get one more box onto this method so I can nick it's 20G hdd |
| 01:53.59 | resuDaed | no, not that big at all, hence why I am doing it at this time of night |
| 01:54.00 | Cope | Ah! |
| 01:54.15 | Cope | Who else lives there? |
| 01:54.27 | resuDaed | my family |
| 01:54.37 | Cope | Where do the machines live? |
| 01:54.59 | resuDaed | all but one in my room/workshop (except the one by the tv and the family box) |
| 01:55.20 | resuDaed | I am off work till the 7th Jan, so I have time |
| 01:55.52 | resuDaed | I just have very little space -- I live off my laptop at the moment |
| 01:56.23 | resuDaed | and a great shortage of hdds :-) |
| 01:56.41 | Cope | I need a hdd too... but... /bin/dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/wallet |
| 01:57.13 | resuDaed | cp -R cope/wallet resudaed/wallet |
| 01:57.46 | resuDaed | (with pride) |
| 01:58.13 | resuDaed | talking about space, I need to move some of this stuff, but I don't know where too |
| 01:58.16 | Cope | wget ~/wethrin/wallet/card.credit |
| 01:58.33 | resuDaed | ayre |
| 01:58.36 | resuDaed | aye |
| 01:59.02 | resuDaed | first, I need to rebuild the nfs server |
| 01:59.47 | Cope | resuDaed - I have a small jungle under my desk, which currently houses 2 machines, a router, a hub and a printer; to which is being added another machine soon. |
| 02:00.05 | Cope | That's all the space :o) |
| 02:01.17 | resuDaed | my desk houses 4 boxes, 1 cable modem, 2 hubs, 1 17" monitor, 1 keyb, 1 laptop |
| 02:01.42 | resuDaed | but none of it under my desk -- where the legs and caffine live :-) |
| 02:03.46 | Cope | Ah - I have 1 x 14' |
| 02:03.51 | Cope | 1 x 21' |
| 02:03.59 | Cope | 2 x keyboards |
| 02:04.29 | resuDaed | Cope : give me a second to scp my wallpapers to a colo |
| 02:06.22 | resuDaed | I have a 12" stitting on the floor in here, never could be bothered to use it for much though |
| 02:08.07 | resuDaed | my wallpapers are 3.4MB, and will be online in 2 mins |
| 02:13.02 | Cope | What colour text works well with a red tint... |
| 02:13.18 | Cope | Suppose it depends on the wallpaper |
| 02:15.24 | resuDaed | I use white on red/green & blue |
| 02:16.40 | Cope | Hmm red on red tint looks cool |
| 02:18.37 | resuDaed | Cope : http://www.internetplace.co.uk/~tom/wallpapers.tgz |
| 02:19.31 | Cope | Hmm.. cyan on blue tint |
| 02:25.31 | Cope | Hmm... can bsetbg only be deployed within a style then, unlike fluxbox> |
| 02:26.52 | resuDaed | bsetbg should work all the time (unless you are running something that over poweres it - eg gnome-settings-daemon) |
| 02:29.00 | Cope | Hmm... must be a $PATH problem then |
| 02:32.38 | Cope | Yeah - can run the command now, but still not implementing change |
| 02:36.57 | resuDaed | found 3x hdd :-) |
| 02:37.03 | Cope | Woo! |
| 02:37.25 | resuDaed | 245MB, 38166MB & 39083MB |
| 02:37.50 | resuDaed | OS disk and 2x dumping grounds |
| 02:38.23 | resuDaed | now just got to find a decent filesystem to use :-) |
| 02:38.30 | Cope | ufs? |
| 02:38.45 | resuDaed | never used it before -- what's it like? |
| 02:39.08 | resuDaed | ah, fBSDs file system :-) |
| 02:39.12 | resuDaed | tired :-( |
| 02:39.33 | resuDaed | you experienced with fBSD? |
| 02:39.47 | Cope | I'm a resier convert, although I hear xfs is good. |
| 02:40.10 | resuDaed | am not a reiser fan |
| 02:40.11 | Cope | No, not experienced with fBSD, like nBSD but only recently been using it. |
| 02:41.00 | resuDaed | personally I like oBSD -- decent installer (comapred to nBSD) and pf rocks |
| 02:43.10 | Cope | wethrin reckons the oBSD installer's the best he's ever used. |
| 02:49.58 | resuDaed | Cope : I'd have to agree |
| 02:50.44 | Cope | The only thing that turns me off oBSD is I hear so much hype about its security; and I don't like hype. |
| 02:51.03 | resuDaed | Cope : I was doing net install, set up network, (resolv.conf fscked), ctl+z, ran dhclient manually, fg and carried on |
| 02:51.23 | Cope | nod |
| 02:52.19 | resuDaed | also I got a seg fault if I untarred verbosley from the installer |
| 02:52.27 | resuDaed | :-0 |
| 02:53.13 | Cope | Eww |
| 02:53.47 | resuDaed | wierd -- think it was a fault with the cd, it did it on all boxes I tried it on |
| 02:54.30 | Cope | Nope, I still prefer blackbox over windowmaker |
| 02:54.41 | resuDaed | clarke.resudaed.com is ready to do live :-) |
| 02:55.03 | resuDaed | I now use gnome, but a very modified in appearance gnome |
| 02:55.14 | resuDaed | still running bbkeys though |
| 02:55.56 | Cope | I haven't incorporated any handy things yet - clocks, monitors etc |
| 02:56.55 | resuDaed | I have a transparant debian logo in top left (menu when clicked) and an app switcher in top right, thats it |
| 02:57.32 | resuDaed | and a nice background |
| 02:57.45 | Cope | I had a go on multi-aterm, but I don't generally like tabs. |
| 02:58.12 | resuDaed | I like tabs in my web browser -- that was a good idea |
| 02:58.17 | Cope | yeah |
| 02:58.40 | Cope | I'm firebirding now, yeah. |
| 02:58.45 | resuDaed | ditto |
| 02:59.04 | resuDaed | all the guys I work with now use mozillafirebird |
| 02:59.14 | resuDaed | just got to get them off 2k now |
| 02:59.18 | Cope | Where do you work? |
| 02:59.32 | resuDaed | company called I-Net solutions |
| 03:00.11 | resuDaed | basically networking (of which I manage) and engineering/sales for businesses in and around london |
| 03:00.27 | resuDaed | smallish company (only been going 12 months) |
| 03:00.29 | resuDaed | but growing |
| 03:00.41 | Cope | groovy! |
| 03:00.50 | resuDaed | just not enough money floating around at the moment |
| 03:01.20 | Cope | I ought to do it now, but tired. |
| 03:01.33 | resuDaed | I am thinking of starting my own comapny -- just need to find people dumb enough to join me |
| 03:01.54 | evangineer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.58 | Cope | Me and Clyphox were saying the same thing. |
| 03:02.06 | Cope | Hi evangineer. |
| 03:02.16 | evangineer | Hey Cope |
| 03:02.20 | resuDaed | maybe the 3 of us should look into something |
| 03:02.23 | resuDaed | hey evangineer |
| 03:02.35 | evangineer | Hey resuDaed |
| 03:03.24 | evangineer | I'm not working at mo. Will be looking for job in new year. |
| 03:03.53 | Cope | evangineer: Digital Camera working, bar writing a hotplug script; Open Office; Firebird; Blackbox; Pretty desktop (thanks resuDaed) --- progress! |
| 03:04.45 | resuDaed | evangineer : what can you do? |
| 03:05.06 | evangineer | Cope: Good to hear. I've sorted out a whole bunch of desktop issues on my upgraded laptop. |
| 03:05.21 | resuDaed | (if you are interested in starting up a business with a bunch of geeks) |
| 03:06.12 | evangineer | resuDaed: I've been in IT professionally since 89, programming, system and network admin, application and tech support. |
| 03:06.48 | evangineer | I would be interested in a startup. |
| 03:07.20 | evangineer | Especially with a bunch of geeks, as long as we can get the business and cash flowing. |
| 03:07.37 | Cope | Capital is always the problem... |
| 03:07.48 | resuDaed | evangineer : how old are you (if you don't mind such a personal question)? |
| 03:08.28 | evangineer | resuDaed: 36 if it matters. |
| 03:08.51 | resuDaed | not really, just interested (is all) |
| 03:11.02 | evangineer | The tricky bit with a startup as far as I can tell, is lining up the clients |
| 03:11.44 | resuDaed | but first we need to clarify exactly what the company will offer |
| 03:12.25 | evangineer | Windows to Linux migration services must be a winner. |
| 03:12.34 | Cope | Yeah, which every other it company isn't doing... |
| 03:12.42 | resuDaed | very true |
| 03:13.26 | evangineer | NT is no longer being supported by MS, which is a golden opportunity. |
| 03:14.02 | resuDaed | evangineer : have they dropped 2k support aswell as NT4? |
| 03:14.15 | Cope | resUDaed: I thought so... |
| 03:15.01 | evangineer | I don't recall if 2k has been dropped, NT stuck in my mind as it is heavily deployed in the City. |
| 03:15.03 | resuDaed | Cope : you a slacker then? |
| 03:15.05 | Cope | well, my take on matters is that quality training and support is sorelymissed. |
| 03:15.11 | Cope | resuDaed: aye |
| 03:15.32 | resuDaed | life is too short for source based distros unless you a |
| 03:15.55 | resuDaed | have a cluster of very powerful machines to do your building |
| 03:16.04 | resuDaed | but I wouldn't call myself a nut |
| 03:16.37 | resuDaed | my total desk power is <2GHz (just) |
| 03:16.54 | Cope | rdist is your friend |
| 03:17.00 | resuDaed | and my total desk RAM is below 1GB (a long way) |
| 03:17.54 | Cope | I like debian; but I've used slack for 4 years and it just feels normal to me. |
| 03:18.12 | Cope | Anyway, back to the company: |
| 03:18.18 | evangineer | I'm a great believer in once and once only. In this case compile once and distribute the binaries to the machines you support. |
| 03:19.17 | Cope | Because of the nature of the community, linux training, support and sales rarely competes; the PHB has to believe he is getting quality and value; and be shown this. |
| 03:19.19 | evangineer | Remote admin of deployed systems must also be a good opportunity. Especially in this age of broadband where you can ssh from home. |
| 03:19.28 | Cope | Absolutely! |
| 03:19.52 | Cope | Keep operating costs to a minimum; no office needed, and we've all got dsl anyway. |
| 03:20.03 | resuDaed | evangineer : although I have never gone back on a deployed system yet (other than dead h/w) |
| 03:20.17 | resuDaed | Cope : good point |
| 03:20.38 | evangineer | resuDaed: what about security patches and stuff. |
| 03:21.28 | evangineer | Also setting up VPNs, adding new users etc. |
| 03:22.45 | resuDaed | my job is in networking atm -- I have only deployed the basics to compliment my network designs :-) |
| 03:22.56 | resuDaed | openbsd firewalls and the like |
| 03:23.57 | resuDaed | my comapny is too hooked on windows, so I avoid areas of users/software etc |
| 03:24.49 | resuDaed | they don't have the nix based staff to provide support on anything else and aren't willing to allow me to recruit any -- hence one of the reasons I am leaving |
| 03:25.05 | Cope | You are leaving? |
| 03:25.17 | Cope | For certain? |
| 03:25.23 | resuDaed | am leaving as soon as I am ready to go alone |
| 03:25.45 | resuDaed | or until a really well paid contract arives :-) |
| 03:26.44 | evangineer | Well, we could focus on deploying and managing servers, or we could go after entire networks including the desktop. |
| 03:27.28 | resuDaed | servers are a current market (IMHO), but desktops is an area that hasn't yet been pushed at all (again IMHO) |
| 03:29.03 | Cope | I think linux is desktop ready; if well designed and packaged, and with support. |
| 03:29.17 | Cope | Not yet ready for users to install; but to use, yes.. |
| 03:29.27 | evangineer | So could we push a managed network solution then, linux desktops served and managed from one or more linux servers. |
| 03:30.24 | Cope | One thing I constantly hear is: |
| 03:30.30 | resuDaed | it is persuading a comapany to jump into something that they themselves cannot support |
| 03:30.40 | resuDaed | and trusting their business into the hands of someone else |
| 03:30.56 | Cope | I hate office xp - it crashes and gets viruses, i don't have the budget for lotus. |
| 03:31.53 | Cope | If we made a live cd of a desktop solution with office suit and php-baseed groupware; that has to be a winner. |
| 03:32.06 | Cope | Bear in mind that the office is increasingly mobile. |
| 03:32.09 | evangineer | That's where the "managed" part comes in. We install the solution and provide support for it on an annual maintenance contract basis. |
| 03:32.28 | resuDaed | brb ... coffee |
| 03:33.09 | Cope | If the client can access web-based email, calender, project-management etc from his phone or pda via gprs... |
| 03:33.57 | Cope | I know people who would buy that sort of thing, if the price was right. |
| 03:35.09 | resuDaed | that sort of thing (with the age of broadband) can be hosted form their own office |
| 03:35.23 | resuDaed | cutting down on cost |
| 03:35.26 | evangineer | Cope: it would be easy to put something together like that would work out of the box. |
| 03:36.28 | evangineer | Cope: what sort of price range are we talking about? |
| 03:36.44 | Cope | Well, we'd be targeting the SME |
| 03:37.13 | Cope | They're stingy on budget, unlikely to have much money set aside for IT |
| 03:37.26 | evangineer | So we're talking a grand or less. |
| 03:37.34 | Cope | yeah, I'd say a grand |
| 03:37.59 | resuDaed | but with a pre-designed out of the box solution, one design -- many clients |
| 03:38.02 | Cope | So you need at least 8 companies a month to pay 4 people |
| 03:38.13 | Cope | Not allowing for costs. |
| 03:38.40 | resuDaed | that doesn't have to be the only focus of business though |
| 03:38.46 | Cope | True |
| 03:38.53 | evangineer | Agreed. |
| 03:39.20 | Cope | As I said, I think training and migration is an option. |
| 03:39.24 | evangineer | However, we don't have to do a one off sale for a grand. |
| 03:40.49 | Cope | Another thing is proper web services. |
| 03:40.50 | evangineer | We could charge a setup fee and then a monthly charge as an application service provider. |
| 03:40.50 | evangineer | That way we get ongoing revenue from the clients. |
| 03:41.02 | Cope | Again, given that the SME is increasingly getting information and looking to advertise on mobile devices; most companies web services can't scale in that way. |
| 03:42.02 | evangineer | so we could offer mobile web services as part of the solution set. |
| 03:42.11 | Cope | But a redesign of web page using xhtml + css; and possibly adding basic content - searchable databases; etc could be offered. |
| 03:43.17 | evangineer | IMHO, 2004 is the year of the CMS |
| 03:44.29 | resuDaed | ibot: I think one of my 40Gs has died |
| 03:44.30 | | resuDaed: no idea |
| 03:44.36 | evangineer | Installation and admin of CMS is another opportunity to be had. |
| 03:44.36 | resuDaed | s/ibot/ot: |
| 03:44.59 | resuDaed | CMS = content managment? |
| 03:45.13 | evangineer | Content Management Systems |
| 03:45.18 | resuDaed | and that :-) |
| 03:45.58 | evangineer | Personally, I've got my eye on Zope and Plone for that sort of thing. |
| 03:46.26 | Cope | One thing we could do is get a hold of comdex and cebit expo catalogues, and see what the new start-ups in europe are doing; arrange them in a database, and you can see what the collected minds of europe think is a growth area. |
| 03:46.37 | Cope | Then see how that can be copied or supported. |
| 03:47.31 | Cope | evangineer: I certainly thing Python is going to explode in the next 18 months. |
| 03:48.19 | evangineer | At comdex this year, Plone was popular, and there is a lot of interest in the KDE kiosk feature which is perfect for rolling out locked down desktops. |
| 03:48.19 | resuDaed | going back OT: that dead 40G hdd's warranty runs out on JAN04 :-) |
| 03:48.30 | Cope | Woo! |
| 03:48.56 | evangineer | Better make that claim tomorrow then, resuDaed! |
| 03:49.20 | resuDaed | I'm thinking this |
| 03:49.25 | Cope | resuDaed: fwiw I -may- have a friend/contact with cash to invest and manpower to lend. |
| 03:49.38 | resuDaed | Cope : sounds good |
| 03:49.49 | evangineer | Cope: I hope Python does take off, it deserves it. |
| 03:50.14 | resuDaed | much as I like python -- it is almost too clean |
| 03:50.27 | Cope | resuDaed: He sold a consultancy firm in the states, and moved to London; has wadges of cash he could re-invest, and he's a risk taker, |
| 03:50.27 | resuDaed | but it does definatly deserve it |
| 03:51.24 | resuDaed | well Cope, if we can get a realistic business plan -- and he's interested, then it's only clientel to find |
| 03:51.52 | Cope | resuDaed: yes, a good and well researched business plan would go down well. |
| 03:52.17 | resuDaed | I think the exchange of emails is needed (for non irc communication) |
| 03:52.38 | evangineer | resuDaed: that's just what I was thinking. |
| 03:52.46 | resuDaed | evangineer :-) |
| 03:52.55 | Cope | resudaed: cc-ing David |
| 03:53.04 | resuDaed | yeah |
| 03:55.08 | evangineer | How do we do this? Msg each other our email addys or just give them here? |
| 03:55.47 | resuDaed | not here, ibots logs are public |
| 03:56.08 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.37 | Cope | What would be call it? |
| 03:58.10 | resuDaed | need a company name or something |
| 03:58.53 | evangineer | according to the irc prelude, dcc chat is more secure than msg |
| 03:59.32 | resuDaed | am not so bothered about the security, just email address floating around in logs |
| 04:00.00 | Cope | Well, apart from me being ssh-d to a different box from normal, a /whois cope will give a big clue anyway! |
| 04:01.09 | resuDaed | internetplace.co.uk is nothing to do with me, just one of my ocmapnies companies :-) |
| 04:01.26 | resuDaed | one sec |
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| 06:22.38 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: Saturday 24th January, Next Pub Meet: Saturday 3rd January, Web Site: http://www.gllug.org.uk |
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| 10:17.26 | zachary | anyone using an ipaq? |
| 10:18.02 | resuDaed | me: nope |
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| 11:50.50 | zachary | Debian sucks! |
| 11:52.32 | zachary | OMG! The channel is dead. |
| 12:24.47 | mozrat_ | Afternoon zachary. BTW Debian rocks!! |
| 12:29.13 | zachary | Just trying to start some dialog. I'm downloading 3.0r2 now. Going to give it a second try. |
| 12:31.20 | mozrat_ | Cool |
| 15:08.49 | wethrin | Morning |
| 15:08.57 | wethrin | Debian sucks. I agree. |
| 15:22.49 | wethrin | Dear Domain Registry of America, Fuck of and Die. Love, Dan |
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| 15:48.53 | jessica | Hi everyone |
| 15:49.00 | wethrin | Hi |
| 15:49.42 | jessica | Who is planning on going to the pub Sat. night? |
| 15:49.47 | wethrin | Me. |
| 15:49.53 | wethrin | Hopefully zach, if you allow him out ;-) |
| 15:50.41 | jessica | Ouch. Yes, he's going. I'm hoping to be able to go with him. Yay! |
| 15:50.42 | wethrin | I think JD said he'd be there |
| 15:50.52 | wethrin | Excellent! :) |
| 15:55.32 | wethrin | Unlikely.....why, do you want to play around with it? |
| 15:56.03 | jessica | I was sorta hoping to if you were going to have it with you but that's okay. |
| 15:56.16 | jessica | Mine should be here in a few weeks. Hopefully |
| 15:57.56 | wethrin | Well, I could bring it with me |
| 15:58.25 | jessica | that's okay, you don't have to. |
| 15:59.02 | wethrin | There's no problem, really :) I'd just stick it in a bag, and bring it along |
| 16:00.29 | jessica | No, you don't have to but thanks for offering. :-) |
| 16:01.30 | wethrin | Okay :) I'd probably end up forgetting to take it anyway. I always have a habit of doing that :-/ |
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| 16:03.27 | jessica | Forgetting it would be very bad |
| 16:04.05 | evangineer | Hi folks |
| 16:04.09 | wethrin | Forgetting it at home is okay. In the pub is BAD. |
| 16:04.16 | wethrin | Hi evangineer. You'll be in the pub on Saturday, won't you? |
| 16:04.35 | evangineer | I should think so! |
| 16:04.50 | wethrin | Excellent! Are you going to be at the computer fairs, BTW? |
| 16:05.40 | evangineer | Probably not, unless the graphics card I got on Sunday turns out to be duff. |
| 16:05.56 | wethrin | Okay |
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| 16:43.32 | sash | Salut. |
| 16:44.27 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 17:16.50 | zachary | hey sash |
| 17:17.16 | wethrin | Stupid government sites not working |
| 17:17.29 | zachary | .asp? |
| 17:17.42 | wethrin | No. |
| 17:17.43 | wethrin | .pl |
| 17:17.44 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:17.51 | wethrin | (Perl, not Poland) |
| 17:18.04 | wethrin | http://forms.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/search.html |
| 17:18.06 | zachary | btw, take it easy. You will give yourself a headache. |
| 17:18.14 | wethrin | Enter "sw7 4ub" as the postcode, and see what results you get back |
| 17:18.23 | wethrin | It told me it found 2 results, and then failed to display them |
| 17:18.37 | zachary | checking |
| 17:22.11 | zachary | Results are not even in the source. |
| 17:22.16 | wethrin | Yeah. |
| 17:22.45 | sash | lo zach. |
| 17:24.28 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.34 | wethrin | BELOODY HELL! :) |
| 17:25.11 | resuDaed | : be proud :-) |
| 17:26.00 | wethrin | Heh |
| 17:26.04 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.15 | resuDaed | wethrin : sounds like a gentoo installation from source :-) |
| 17:27.41 | wethrin | It's an unreliable DeadRat machien |
| 17:28.04 | resuDaed | fair enough |
| 17:28.08 | wethrin | Ahh. That's better. Must have been some runaway Apache/Mysql processes |
| 17:28.17 | evangineer | wethrin: that's not the one that keeps being rebooted is it? |
| 17:28.22 | wethrin | Yes |
| 17:28.31 | zachary | Yea, upgrading my DeadRat to Deadbian |
| 17:28.48 | resuDaed | apache shouldn't go runaway though -- does it not generaly time out? |
| 17:28.57 | wethrin | Dunno |
| 17:29.15 | wethrin | Stopped Apache and Mysql, and it's back at a sensible level |
| 17:29.20 | evangineer | Running slack on all four of my boxen |
| 17:29.25 | wethrin | Good! |
| 17:29.50 | resuDaed | why rebooted ? |
| 17:29.57 | wethrin | No idea |
| 17:30.10 | wethrin | Just seemed to crash |
| 17:30.44 | resuDaed | reboots like init 6 or like reset button |
| 17:30.56 | wethrin | It doesn't say |
| 17:31.08 | wethrin | But I've disabled ctrl-alt-delete in inittab |
| 17:31.15 | wethrin | And there weren't any console logins before |
| 17:31.42 | evangineer | wethrin: what kernel is it running? |
| 17:31.49 | resuDaed | what do the logs say about the reboot? |
| 17:31.59 | wethrin | resuDaed: Nothing |
| 17:32.08 | wethrin | 2.4.20-20.7 |
| 17:32.54 | resuDaed | random crashes possibly down to faulty psu |
| 17:33.13 | wethrin | Maybe. I thought might have been due to overheating |
| 17:33.17 | resuDaed | some get funny and don't like being even knocked a little |
| 17:33.20 | wethrin | But can't get sensors, so :-/ |
| 17:33.43 | resuDaed | others overheat and reboot |
| 17:33.56 | wethrin | 9 reboots since December 23rd |
| 17:34.02 | wethrin | Although 1 was scheduled |
| 17:34.09 | wethrin | (by the hosting conpany) |
| 17:34.19 | evangineer | I had random crashes with one of my boxes, I plugged into a differnet four way socket and it's been fine since. |
| 17:35.22 | evangineer | s/differnet/different/ |
| 17:35.41 | wethrin | I don't have physical access to the machine |
| 17:36.37 | evangineer | Can you get the hosting co to monitor the power or rejig it? |
| 17:36.54 | wethrin | That implies a compentent hosting company |
| 17:37.11 | evangineer | It does, doesn't it? |
| 17:37.18 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 17:38.17 | evangineer | Is it a colo? |
| 17:38.22 | wethrin | Rented server |
| 17:40.25 | evangineer | If you can't get physical access and you can't get the hosting co to sort it out, perhaps you should consider migrating to a different provider. |
| 17:40.30 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 17:40.33 | wethrin | We are. |
| 17:40.43 | wethrin | Plus it's a RedHat 7.3 box, and RH are stopping support |
| 17:44.17 | nasrat | wethrin: fedora legacy project ;) |
| 17:45.29 | wethrin | Hmmmm.....if it's available as an apt repository |
| 17:45.44 | nasrat | it'll be apt/yum able I believe |
| 17:45.52 | wethrin | Okay. |
| 17:47.06 | wethrin | Do you know the repositories OTTOYH? |
| 17:48.06 | nasrat | don't think launched yet - thursday but one sec |
| 17:59.16 | wethrin | Mmm. Remote X over ADSL is not very fast |
| 18:04.38 | evangineer | wethrin: TightVNC? |
| 18:04.56 | wethrin | evangineer: Can't do that |
| 18:05.07 | wethrin | I'm ssh'ing into Uni's machines |
| 18:05.24 | evangineer | wethrin: zebedee |
| 18:05.45 | wethrin | ? |
| 18:06.35 | evangineer | wethrin: http://www.winton.org.uk/zebedee/ |
| 18:07.36 | wethrin | Ah. I guess I could just use ssh -c :) |
| 18:09.13 | evangineer | ssh -c ? |
| 18:10.32 | evangineer | Don't you mean ssh -C? |
| 18:16.42 | sash | Heyho Cope |
| 18:17.01 | wethrin | Maybe |
| 18:17.02 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:17.03 | Cope | Evening tlm |
| 18:17.12 | wethrin | That'd require looking in the man page |
| 18:18.21 | wethrin | nn :) |
| 19:34.14 | wethrin | Good! |
| 19:34.15 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:37.53 | wethrin | What's CollegeLinux? |
| 19:38.05 | wethrin | And not all students are unwashed! :) |
| 19:40.14 | evangineer | It's a Slackware derivative with a KDE desktop, Konqueror integration of slapt-get, wine and an automated install of apache, mysql, sqlite, php, phpmyadmin, sqlitemanager. |
| 19:40.38 | wethrin | Cool |
| 19:40.45 | evangineer | By unwashed masses, I meant non-techie endusers |
| 19:44.05 | wethrin | Ahh. |
| 19:44.49 | evangineer | It has a whole bunch of dev tools, which an end-user distro doesn't need. It does have OpenOffice though. |
| 19:47.17 | wethrin | Bah. Office applications. |
| 19:47.59 | wethrin | Been over a month since I've used one |
| 19:48.09 | wethrin | And thought could have been happily served with LaTeX |
| 19:48.19 | evangineer | end users can't live without their office apps as you well know. |
| 19:49.12 | evangineer | I only run the likes of Abiword and PowerPoint viewer to read the docs of unenlightened friends. |
| 19:49.35 | wethrin | I hope to avoid jobs that require me to use Orifice products. |
| 19:49.41 | wethrin | (as much as is possible, anyway) |
| 19:50.04 | wethrin | I've got OOo installed for that. |
| 19:50.23 | wethrin | And for presentations I've got Keynote, which just kicks Powerpoint out of the water |
| 19:50.34 | wethrin | And drags it for a few miles across dry land |
| 19:54.40 | evangineer | There are a couple of end-user oriented Slackware-based distros out there: Vector and Buffalo Linux |
| 19:55.37 | wethrin | End-users don't deserve Slackware :) |
| 19:58.03 | evangineer | Maybe so, but it would be much nicer for me to admin and maintain! |
| 19:59.29 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 20:04.13 | evangineer | Buffalo has an ICEWM desktop and optional CodeWeavers Office integration. I'd prefer KDE for the lockdown features for KDE kiosk mode. |
| 20:06.16 | evangineer | The 2nd "for" should have been "of" |
| 20:07.38 | wethrin | Mm. I tried icewm - wasn't overly impressed. |
| 20:09.18 | wethrin | 'twas okay, though |
| 20:15.24 | evangineer | Vector has KDE, at least in the Deluxe edition. It's Slack 9.0 based rather than 9.1 though. |
| 20:16.34 | evangineer | That means I would have to keep at least 1 slack 9.0 based machine around. I did have one, but I upgraded it to 9.1 a few days ago. |
| 20:16.55 | wethrin | I've still got Slack9.0 on a laptop |
| 20:17.12 | wethrin | I'm thinking of going for either FreeBSD or Slackware9.1 |
| 20:17.16 | evangineer | Just remembered I still have a machine with Slack 9.0 on it. |
| 20:18.16 | evangineer | Also have a spare hard disk. |
| 20:18.31 | wethrin | I've got a machine which was -current from about June last year |
| 20:18.45 | wethrin | Which'd make it 8.1-and-a-bit, I think |
| 20:20.01 | evangineer | About the laptop, depends on what you use it for. |
| 20:21.25 | evangineer | I have Slack 9.1 on both laptops with a 2.4.23 kernel and xfce 4.0.2, I'm quite happy with the setup. |
| 20:22.28 | evangineer | If FreeBSD supports your hardware, it can't do any harm. |
| 20:24.10 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:24.16 | wethrin | I don't really use that laptop |
| 20:24.54 | evangineer | Then install whatever you want to experiment with and learn about. |
| 20:25.34 | evangineer | I did my first slackware install on a spare laptop, and I've never looked back! ;-) |
| 20:29.03 | wethrin | There are a great many IDIOTS in the world. A few are currently causing me much headache. I want to string them up with piano wire |
| 20:29.11 | wethrin | *cough* |
| 20:29.35 | wethrin | I know Slackware and FreeBSD. I've got an OpenStep install on it, but I can't get the correct graphics driver installed |
| 20:30.44 | evangineer | regarding idiots - oh dear. It's never pleasant when one has to deal with them. |
| 20:30.55 | wethrin | No |
| 20:31.12 | wethrin | I found out why the load average was so high |
| 20:31.20 | evangineer | Really? |
| 20:31.22 | wethrin | Some eedjits trying to download Kill Bill. |
| 20:31.36 | wethrin | So I moved it out of the way, and they were still trying to access it |
| 20:31.37 | evangineer | Huh? |
| 20:31.48 | wethrin | So I took that particular site out of my DNS |
| 20:32.21 | wethrin | And took it out of the Apache virtualhosts, too. |
| 20:32.32 | wethrin | 303 203.217.75.35 "GET /kill_bill_vol_1.avi HTTP/1.1" |
| 20:32.41 | wethrin | Lots and lots of these. Even though they get File not Found errors |
| 20:33.49 | evangineer | Probably using a stupid client with infinite retry. Also once a URL is published it can spread like wildfire. |
| 20:33.56 | wethrin | Grumpf. |
| 20:34.02 | evangineer | Indeed |
| 20:34.13 | wethrin | So how, using iptables, can I block a particular incoming IP Address? |
| 20:35.08 | evangineer | Good question, my iptables skills are too feeble to answer off the top of my head. |
| 20:36.28 | wethrin | Ahh....one guy in France, and one in Egypt trying to download. |
| 20:36.47 | wethrin | and too FUCKING IDIOTIC to realise that a 404 is not a temporary error |
| 20:37.26 | evangineer | This article seems to provide info on blacklisting using iptables http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/45 |
| 20:39.40 | evangineer | wethrin: that any use? |
| 20:40.15 | resuDaed | wethrin : redir to a slackware iso :-) |
| 20:40.27 | evangineer | lol |
| 20:41.33 | wethrin | evangineer: Thanks! :) |
| 20:41.59 | wethrin | resuDaed: That'd require having one to hand :) Plus waste bandwidth |
| 20:42.10 | wethrin | Well, the iptables rules work |
| 20:42.52 | resuDaed | wethrin : redir to slack iso on a slack mirror ?? |
| 20:42.55 | evangineer | Excellent! |
| 20:43.24 | wethrin | Grumpf. And now someone else trying |
| 20:43.38 | wethrin | But fortunately giving up |
| 20:44.14 | evangineer | You need to knock up a script that blacklists anyone trying to access that URL. |
| 20:44.42 | wethrin | Yeh |
| 20:44.47 | resuDaed | although you'll probably end up with a huge table |
| 20:45.36 | evangineer | flush the ruleset after a week or however long it takes for people to get the idea. |
| 20:46.23 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 20:47.42 | resuDaed | wethrin : OOI, did those scsi disks work? |
| 20:48.21 | resuDaed | 1 pizza down, 1 to go |
| 20:48.59 | evangineer | resuDaed: you're making me hungry, I'm off to Tesco's |
| 20:49.07 | wethrin | Errr.....haven't had a chance to try them quite yet :-/ |
| 20:49.08 | resuDaed | evangineer : lol |
| 20:49.25 | resuDaed | wethrin : just wondering -- I never tried either of them |
| 20:49.59 | wethrin | Ahh....I'll let you know when I do try them :) |
| 20:50.20 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 20:50.35 | wethrin | I'm blocking people. Fun fun fun. |
| 20:50.38 | wethrin | Grrr. |
| 20:51.18 | JD | hi |
| 20:51.24 | wethrin | Hi JD |
| 20:51.44 | resuDaed | hi JD |
| 20:52.22 | JD | hi |
| 20:52.27 | JD | oh I said that already |
| 20:52.41 | resuDaed | lol |
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| 20:54.14 | jason_ukfsn | hey folks |
| 20:54.35 | JD | hi |
| 20:54.38 | wethrin | Hey |
| 20:54.58 | JD | hmmm jason_ukfsn appears to be unsing some german Debian-on-CD thingy |
| 20:55.07 | resuDaed | wethrin : by what amount should I throttle? |
| 20:55.18 | wethrin | resuDaed: Don't bother |
| 20:55.24 | wethrin | What connection do you have? |
| 20:55.30 | resuDaed | 512k down |
| 20:55.37 | wethrin | Don't throttle |
| 20:55.42 | resuDaed | fairy nuff |
| 20:56.08 | jason_ukfsn | this gnoppix is very nice |
| 20:56.29 | jason_ukfsn | it's based upon Woody so it's stable and it is nice and up to date on all the desktop bits |
| 21:08.41 | wethrin | Is it Knoppix with Gnome instead of KDE? |
| 21:09.05 | murble | gnoppix ym |
| 21:09.33 | wethrin | hi murble. Still in Berlin? |
| 21:12.00 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: yes. It feels somewhat better than knoppix to me for all that it has less software |
| 21:12.41 | jason_ukfsn | I've just booted it about 15 minutes ago and everything I have tried so far works perfectly. |
| 21:13.40 | jason_ukfsn | This box has rh and suse installed on it at the moment and gnoppix is handling the hardware more competently than either of those. |
| 21:14.03 | murble | wethrin: no in helbrechts |
| 21:14.13 | murble | s/hel/&m/ |
| 21:14.21 | wethrin | murble: Good place? |
| 21:14.47 | jason_ukfsn | also I can now watch the matrixcow mpeg I downloaded recently which SuSE's rpm for xine doesn't like |
| 21:14.48 | wethrin | Well, if those CD distros can handle hardware so competently, why can't the 'real' distros? :) |
| 21:15.16 | jason_ukfsn | to be fair wethrin this gnoppix is far more recent than either of the version of rh/suse installed on the box |
| 21:15.24 | jason_ukfsn | rh is 7.3 and suse is 8.1 |
| 21:15.33 | wethrin | Ah, yes. They're a bit behind the times. |
| 21:15.41 | jason_ukfsn | gnoppix is from november |
| 21:15.59 | jason_ukfsn | kernel is 2.4.21 with patches from the looks of it |
| 21:16.48 | jason_ukfsn | I've been ordered to stop working now so I have to shut down this box. |
| 21:16.53 | jason_ukfsn | Have fun folks. |
| 22:26.05 | evangineer | re |
| 22:41.28 | resuDaed | evening Cope |
| 22:44.32 | Cope | Evening sir. |
| 23:05.20 | wethrin | PIZZA! |
| 23:11.51 | evangineer | pizza all gone! ;-) |
| 23:12.08 | wethrin | Bwah |
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| 23:27.36 | resuDaed_ | window swap 2 |
| 23:27.39 | resuDaed_ | doh |
| 23:27.56 | resuDaed_ | :-) |
| 23:28.10 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:47.25 | wethrin | One of many ;-) |
| 23:48.42 | evangineer | Still occassionally eats bookmarks though. |
| 23:48.58 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:48.58 | wethrin | They're tasty, though |
| 23:49.22 | evangineer | Prefer pizza! ;-) |
| 23:49.47 | wethrin | Bookmark pizza |
| 23:57.36 | resuDaed | wethrin : when specifying aliases (/etc/mail/aliases) can you specify multiple address to redirect to? |
| 23:57.43 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:57.47 | murble | bah |
| 23:57.53 | wethrin | bah? |
| 23:58.16 | resuDaed | like admin: foo@bar,foo1@bar1,foo2@bar2 |
| 23:58.20 | resuDaed | or something? |
| 23:58.24 | resuDaed | what's the format? |
| 23:58.31 | wethrin | Something like that :) |