irclog2html for #gllug on 20031231

00:15.34wethrinman 5 aliases
00:18.58resuDaedthanks
00:19.35wethring'night all
00:25.11evangineernight wethrin
00:30.33resuDaednight wethrin
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01:11.42new2unixping
01:13.17murblepong
01:13.18new2unixcould somebody please remind me how to expand an iso and copy to partition/hdd
01:13.49new2unixahh, murble.
01:14.40murbleyou have a .iso file?
01:14.43evangineernew2unix: You can mount an iso and then copy the files, no need to expand.
01:15.34murbleevangineer: please can we find out some facts before giving solutions :)
01:16.30evangineeryou're the boss, murble!
01:16.58new2unixi think ive found what i'm looking for:   mount isoimage.iso -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt
01:17.10new2unixwas right there in the man page. :)
01:17.20murblenew2unix: cool :)
01:17.21new2unixThanks guys. you can go back to sleep now
01:20.15new2unixwhat a way to spend newyears eve. hah
01:20.28murblehehe
01:20.39murblei think i'mv going ot spend it getting quite pisshed
01:20.48evangineerzzzz!
01:39.27Copemurble: Do you know what kde is on sarge?
01:39.57Copenew2unix: Hi! Got the NIC today, thank you!
01:41.41murbleCope: no, but i could find out.
01:41.57Copemurble: Could you?
01:42.14murblemaybe i'm writing important email to the lbw list atm though.
01:45.25murbleCope: just got 112mb of updates for sarge so i will have to wait.
01:46.47Copemurble: No mega hurry.
01:49.29Copeibot seen nasrat
01:49.34nasrat <~paul@66.98.134.43> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 8h 1m 28s ago, saying: 'don't think launched yet - thursday but one sec'.
01:53.49murbleCope:  kde 3.1.4-3 apparently
01:54.21Copemurble: noted; thank you.
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02:14.59pszopinski*pong*
02:14.59pszopinski;-)
02:15.24pszopinskieverybody get up.
02:16.10resuDaedevening
02:16.27pszopinskihi there. ;-)
02:17.05pszopinskii will make a coffee.
02:17.25resuDaedmake me one also please :-)
02:17.32pszopinskisure.
02:17.37pszopinski;-)
02:17.51pszopinskiarnos grove.
02:17.53pszopinski;-)
02:17.57pszopinskinow.
02:19.04pszopinskiit's a good idea to use Zope only for a weblog? ;-)
02:19.42evangineerI need some caffeine as well, pszopinski!
02:20.18evangineerI'm going to use Zope for my weblog, but I'm going it run it behind a copy of Apache.
02:20.31pszopinskievangineer: sorry, now only pro plus as well. ;-)
02:21.28pszopinskii have so much stairs..
02:22.14evangineerI'm having difficulty working out which product to use though.  There's CoreBlog, CMFWeblog and SimpleBlog.
02:22.18pszopinskievangineer: i'm looking now for ZServer.
02:23.23evangineer??? ZServer is not a separate product, it is a component of Zope itself!
02:23.37pszopinskii know.
02:23.49pszopinskibut you can use this as well.
02:24.03pszopinskiyou don't need another webserver.
02:24.13evangineerOh I see!
02:24.19evangineerSorry my mistake!
02:24.30pszopinskii'm wrong?
02:24.50pszopinskiit's my first evening with zope?
02:24.50pszopinski:-)
02:25.39evangineerNo, you're not wrong.
02:26.22evangineerThat will work.
02:26.27pszopinskiwhich weblog zope based is a chineese or japan?
02:26.46evangineerCoreBlog.
02:27.03pszopinskiyeah. i saw that.
02:27.08pszopinskiit's nice.
02:27.13evangineerYes.
02:27.28pszopinskiit's what I will try.
02:27.45evangineerGood, let me know how it goes.
02:28.30pszopinskimy laptop is going down. ;-)
02:28.32evangineerI think I will try CMFweblog or SimpleBlog.
02:29.00evangineerBattery?
02:29.13evangineerOr reboot?
02:29.21pszopinski266MHz, 96MB RAM, KDE 3.1.4, xmms, pim, konqueror and Zope. 8-)
02:29.46evangineerOuch! Get some more memory, I did!
02:30.07evangineerWhat model laptop?
02:30.26pszopinskiyeah, I know, I'm have some idea to buy Apple PowerBook now.
02:30.39pszopinskinow I'm using IBM Thinkpad of course. 8-)
02:30.44pszopinski600.
02:31.04evangineerI'm using a Thinkpad 240
02:31.43pszopinskiThinkpad is the most powerful portable PC line for me.
02:32.13pszopinskii love it. :-)
02:32.23evangineerIBM do some of their most interesting and useful design work on the Thinkpad line.
02:32.37evangineerDo you remember the butterfly keyboard?
02:32.50pszopinskithere is a nice line now, called X. thin line with small screen and cisco wifi.,
02:33.25evangineerYes, but a bit expensive!
02:34.23pszopinskiwho say the love is a cheap.
02:34.24pszopinski;-)
02:36.10pszopinskiif you have some SODIMMs, like a 128MB in London, i'm interesting.
02:37.46pszopinskitop - 02:07:31 up 1 day, 13:16,  2 users,  load average: 1.15, 0.35, 0.21
02:37.53pszopinskiit's not so bad.
02:38.14new2unixa thinkpad 570 user here :)
02:38.48pszopinskinew2unix: great choice. 8-)
02:39.04evangineerI know a guy who can supply laptop memory, he supplied and fitted mine!
02:40.06pszopinskievangineer: you can ask how expensive will a 128MB in one SODIMM card.
02:40.21pszopinskis/will/"will be"/
02:41.26pszopinskimy english i worst than Project Telecom support. ;-)
02:44.39evangineertop - 02:42:53 up 2 days,  6:55,  4 users,  load average: 0.29, 0.20, 0.08
02:45.08evangineerpszopinski: I'll find out for you.
02:47.14pszopinskithanks.
02:49.00murblenn
02:49.22new2unixnight murble
02:49.37pszopinskidark side murble.
02:49.42pszopinski8-)
02:50.30evangineernight murble
02:51.42pszopinskievangineer: how your sylpheed wiget?
02:51.52pszopinski:)
02:53.18evangineerI'm using the Smooth gtk theme engine.  It themes both Gtk2 and Gtk1, even better it works on my system with all my GTK2 apps and Sylpheed!
02:53.33billbyte;-)
02:53.34evangineerSylpheed doesn't look ugly anymore.
02:54.22billbyteyeah, now the all your dreams comming true.
02:55.08evangineerI wouldn't go that far! ;-)
02:55.30billbytehyhy. :-)
02:57.50billbytemaybe i will try to make some dreams. i will try my bed.
02:57.56billbyte;-)
03:00.45billbyte'night.
03:04.49evangineernight billbyte
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08:34.18zacharymoin
09:25.31JDhi
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10:32.22zacharymoin highbury
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10:33.25gregjy0
10:33.42zacharywb gregj
10:36.59gregj:]
10:44.14gregji am trying to get postfix+procmail running on MailDirs working on debian
10:44.30gregjanyone here know how to make it working ?
10:49.30eye69gregj: Sure
10:49.47eye69Is it something in particular you've having problems with?
10:49.53eye69you're, even
10:50.20eye69I'm fighting a losing battle with Cyrus/SASL myself.
10:52.48gregji am using sourier
10:52.50gregjcourier
10:52.53gregjanyway
10:53.17eye69Yeah, have been using that. Wanted to try Cyrus.
10:53.19gregji want to use procmail with postfix but using MailDir rather than /var/spool/mail
10:54.01eye69Ok. You want to start with "mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"" in main.cf
10:54.27gregji foun d some docs on net
10:54.41gregji'll try it, and give the score :-)
10:55.55eye69Set $DEFAULT in procmailrc to the Maildir, remembering that Maildir's are specified with a trailing slash
10:56.17gregjyes, i know that
10:56.19eye69Then it will deliver any mail that ddrops off the end of the procmailrc to that dir
10:56.22eye69Ok
10:56.47gregjbut procmail was delivering everything to /var/spool/mail, even if user didn't have .procmailrc
10:57.19eye69Ok, and you've created a global procmailrc?
10:58.02gregjnope
10:58.18gregjprobably i need to tell him there to use MailDir rather than mailbox
10:58.56eye69Yes, procmail will deliver to the mailspool by default when the message drops out of the queue
10:59.41gregjok
10:59.44gregji found some info
10:59.50gregji don't need globalprocmail
11:00.53gregjmailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir
11:01.00gregjjust that in main.cf
11:01.36eye69Ahhh.
11:01.51gregjit looks like this overwrites global settings
11:05.12gregjworks perfectly well
11:05.13gregj:]
11:05.41gregjok
11:05.47gregji have another problem, with mutt
11:06.19gregjit does ask me all the time if i want to move readed messages to /home/gj/mail from ~/Maildir
11:06.32gregji don't know how to get rid of this question
11:06.59gregji will probably finish greping sources to findout :-)
11:08.19eye69set move=yes
11:08.39gregji don't want him to even ask me
11:08.48gregjso set move=no
11:08.51eye69Set it to no, then
11:08.54gregjok
11:08.55gregjlet me try
11:10.30zacharyAnyone know how I can find a config for the debian(3.0r2) boot images?
11:12.16gregji though they remade all CDs
11:13.04gregjhmm, procmail works fine, but when folder to which i want email to be saved does not exists, he is throwing it away rather than create this folder
11:13.07gregjhmm
11:13.10gregjprobably some option again
11:28.06gregjeye69: /home/gj/Mail does not exist. Create it? ([yes]/no):
11:28.12gregjeye69: how can i get rid of this question ?
11:28.15gregjeye69: in mutt
11:29.27eye69Dunno really. I've just symlinked that folder to Maildir
11:29.34eye69Or actually, to my incoming folder.
11:29.46gregjsure
11:29.52gregjbut i cannot do that for all users :-)
11:30.11eye69Why? :)
11:30.36gregjhmm
11:30.42gregjthere are quite few of them
11:31.32eye69cd /home ; for i in *;do ln -s /home/$i/Maildir /home/$i/Mail;done
11:31.39eye69Or something like that
11:31.48gregjsure
11:32.27eye69Then put the symlink in /etc/skel, to get it done automatically for your new users
11:33.09gregjyes,thanks
11:33.23eye69Do you accept DCC?
11:34.14gregji think iptables IRC module is not loaded, so no
11:36.31gregjyou can always send me email
11:36.34gregjgj at 7thguard.net
11:38.08gregjok
11:38.12gregjthanks for help
11:42.47zacharyyou two going to the pub meet on saturday?
11:48.12eye69Dunno. Probably not.
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12:47.02Jensonhi all
13:11.24new2unixhi Jenson
13:25.12JDhi all
13:25.49zacharyafternoon JD
13:28.47Jensonhi
13:37.30CopeHi all
13:38.19zacharyhey Cope
13:38.52CopeHello zachary :o)
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16:13.11Ribosomehi!
16:22.26wethrinHi
16:22.56wethrinHappy New Solar Orbital Period!
16:23.17Ribosome:)
16:23.22Ribosomedon't say that in public :)
16:24.07wethrinOops :)
16:24.23nasratbah the solstice was *so* last week
16:24.28Ribosomeis it just me, or do people from U.K. use smilies at lot more than most people
16:24.51wethrinThere needs to be some way of marking sarcasm
16:25.02Ribosomehow about
16:25.13wethrinnasrat: Meh. It's all arbitrary
16:25.14Ribosome<sarcasm> I think you're  funny </sarcasm>
16:25.18Ribosomethat might work
16:25.34wethrinDepends on the context
16:26.12nasrat<sarcasm>I really think xml is terse enough for marking sarcasm</sarcasm>
16:27.21wethrinWhat about LaTeX-style markup?
16:27.25wethrin\sarcasm{foo}
16:27.54Ribosomeor like some kind of perl
16:28.04jessica* action nasrat try www.boredatwork.com   I like the burgerking song
16:28.06Ribosome$sarcasm_buffer =. ""
16:28.08Ribosomeor something
16:28.31jessicahm, don't think that worked right...
16:28.33wethrinBut Perl is evil :)
16:28.43RibosomePerhaps
16:28.45nasratuse *roff
16:28.51Ribosomebut it easy for manipulating strings
16:28.52Ribosome:)
16:28.52wethrinbuggeroff?
16:28.53wethrin:)
16:43.25wethrinGrmpf. I'm going to have to make up for today's lack of beer on Saturday
16:44.41RibosomeGrmpf
16:44.42Ribosome;p
16:44.58Ribosomedoing anything interesting tonight?
16:46.07wethrinGoing to Oxford for New Year-foo
16:46.09wethrinBut driving
16:46.54Ribosomewhy going to oxford
16:46.57Ribosomeits full of drunks
16:47.06Ribosomeespically the university
16:47.16wethrinI'm going to Summertown
16:47.20billbyteBrixton Academy.
16:47.29wethrinTo visit ex-University friends :)
16:47.36Ribosomewhich uni did you go to
16:47.47wethrinOx
16:47.55Ribosomeoh really
16:47.56Ribosomecoo
16:47.59wethrin:)
16:48.06wethrinAnd now at UCL
16:49.57Ribosomehi
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16:53.43wethrinCLONES!
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17:07.30wethrin'lo
17:12.26evangineerwethrin?
17:24.09zacharySo, is this the GLLUG New Year Party. For the corpses that: 1) Can't afford to go out, 2) Have parasites they can't shake off, 3) Bolth, 4) Some other lame excuse.
17:26.03wethrinHi evangineer
17:26.13wethrinI'm going out soon
17:26.49zacharyCope, which one?
17:27.00wethrinGllug New Year party is on Saturday :)
17:27.36zacharyI think we need to have a prize!
17:27.45evangineerwethrin: I've done a very basic Debian install, I've got xfree86-common installed but no startx?
17:28.54wethrinevangineer: So install Slackware ;-)
17:28.54zacharyevangineer: You probably need other packages. Besides, Dan's solution would be to install Slackware.
17:28.57Copezachary: 3
17:29.14zacharyI knew it!
17:29.17wethrinHeh
17:32.33evangineerI have slackware on 4 machines already, I need some variety in my diet!
17:32.51wethrinSUSE :)
17:33.12evangineerGood idea, but not today!
17:33.14zacharyKnoppix on HD!(Debian install of choice.)
17:34.45ompheevangineer: you'll need xbase-clients (for startx) and likely xserver-xfree86
17:35.40wethrinevangineer: xfree86-base?
17:36.55ompheevangineer: apt should help you out here.
17:37.09evangineerI'm installing them now thanks
17:38.22wethrinRight.
17:38.33wethrinI think I'm going to head up to Oxford
17:38.54omphedrive safe, knuckleheads abound!
17:38.56evangineerHave a good one wethrin and thanks
17:39.02wethrinHappy New Year, peeps
17:39.08wethrinSee you on the other side. And also on Saturday :)
17:39.09CopeHNY Dan
17:39.17wethrinomphe: I know - will do
17:40.11wethrinByee!
17:44.47billbyte:>
17:48.56zacharyGotta go, power glitches. Don't want to experience a brown out. Might bbl.
18:12.03CopeNice bottle of wine; no glasses:
18:12.09Cope1) Drink from the bottle
18:12.16Cope2) Drink from Tea Cup
18:12.34Cope3) Go out in the cold and borrow wine glasses from Oddbins
18:15.22omphedo not go out in the cold.
18:15.52ompheunless we're talking about a REALLY nice bottle
18:16.27CopeIts only nice, not mega nice
18:16.37CopeSo I guess tea cup then... but a bone china one.
18:18.01ompheadjust your pinky accordingly.
19:46.18ompheTime to don my suit and hit the town.
19:46.30ompheHappy New Year to All!
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19:54.00CopeHi zachary
19:54.15zacharyhey Cope
19:55.43zacharybrb, need to do some child maintenance.
20:01.16SpudULikeHi guys, you all getting excited about midnights approach?
20:01.25nasratSpudULike: no
20:02.33SpudULikeHi Cope, I'm sure I was just 2 aisles away from a Real Life "Hi" with you yesterday in Sainsbury's. Were you there about 4.30 wearing a baby sling?
20:04.01SpudULikenasrat: You working or partying tonight?
20:04.27nasratjust at home
20:04.37nasratjust bad day
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20:06.10SpudULikenasrat: Ah, sorry to hear that. Any prospect of it getting better or is it a 'Bed by 10pm' type day. I've had 'Bed by 10@ New Years Eve days before.
20:09.45nasratit'll be ok
20:13.45wethrin:)
20:13.51wethrinSpudULike: Are you going to be there on Saturday?
20:18.15SpudULikeIt looks like I have just been granted permission to go out on Saturday, so, yeah, I'll be there!
20:18.21wethrinw00t!
20:19.03SpudULikeThe Hillars of Percules, sound like a good place for coffee !
20:20.13wethrinYes!
20:21.49SpudULikeI've been through the arch many times, looking forward to having a reason to 'not quite make it through' this time.
20:22.00wethrinYou have to go through the arch
20:22.32SpudULikeDo I? Oh, err, I, err, was talking about going home then!
20:23.23SpudULikeIt'll be somewhere to kip when the fresh air hits me!
20:23.41wethrin:-)
20:26.20zacharywethrin: I have a few things to do before making it to the pub. Wife is coming along with me. Ann Summers is in the route. :-)
20:26.39wethrinzachary: Okay, but keep the Ann Summers games until after the pub :)
20:27.57nasratbah ann summers is 2nd rate fetish wear
20:28.17SpudULikeWethrin: Don't be such a stick in the mud.
20:28.20nasratactually less than 2nd rate
20:28.49zacharynasrat: I disagree, They have some nice stuff. A bit spendy, but nice.
20:28.52wethrinSpudULike: Okay. Maybe wait until some beers have been consumed
20:29.25SpudULikeHmm, might be best viewed on an empty stomach??? ;-)
20:30.01zacharynasrat: My wife disagrees with the 2nd rate fetish wear.
20:33.43nasratwell what would I know :)
20:34.28wethrinnasrat: You'll be there on Sat, won't you?
20:34.48nasratumm, possibly
20:35.04wethrinThere will be beer...
20:36.12nasratmmm, beer - should get another
20:36.36wethrinMmm. I have to drive tonight
20:40.13CopeSpudULike: Indeed I was!
20:41.49Cope<PROTECTED>
20:48.13SpudULikeCope: With Sophie. I couldn't, still can't, remember your real name, so I fought off the urge to shout out 'Hi Cope'. That fight was really helped by the the fear that you might shout back 'Hi SpudULike' !!!
20:48.38Copeq guffaws!
20:48.45wethrin:)
20:48.54Copewethrin: where are you?
20:49.12wethrinIn Oxford
20:50.34Copewethrin: I know that...
20:51.32CopeSpudULike: So do you often hang out in Kilburn?
20:52.06SpudULikeCope: Very often, my mother lives there. Yesterday I was getting her shopping.
20:53.53SpudULikeKilburn is ok, but when you factor in the proximity of Finchley Road and Brent Cross it's even better.
20:55.30SpudULikeSainsbury's in Kilburn isn't too good. Do you often use the Sainsbury's in O2?
20:58.07Copekilburn rocks
20:58.18CopeWe tend to use the waitrose on finchley road
20:58.27CopeBut the 02 centre is groovy
20:59.05SpudULikeIs ld.so.conf one of those human writable files or should I really some utility to get it to update? I am trying to get to get Quake3 running on SuSE9.
20:59.15wethrinIt's human writable
20:59.30wethrinRemember to run 'ldconfig' after updating it
20:59.35SpudULikeDamn, where am I going to find a human at this time of night!
20:59.52wethrinUnder the sofa
20:59.59wethrinBill Oddie just won Mastermind tonight
21:00.39SpudULikeWhat was his specialist subject?  Birds or 'Giant cats rampaging through London' ???
21:00.47wethrinAmerican Jazz
21:01.07zacharyAh giant cats!
21:01.13wethrin:)
21:01.22SpudULike'Eeeee, ecky thump'
21:01.28wethrinEeee
21:03.04wethrinByee!
21:03.07Copenever!!
21:03.12wethrinAnd Happy New Solar Orbital Period!
21:04.51CopeSpudULike: the ldconfig -v | grep $LIBRARY to check
21:05.03SpudULikeHave a good sober one Wethrin
21:05.19zacharyAnd I was thinking that the time on my solar orbital period was just about up!
21:10.08zacharyAnyone use a lubic case kit?
21:11.57CopeSounds nasty
21:12.10Copeky jelly++?
21:13.06zacharyhttp://www.aerocool.com.tw/aerocool-files-v3/lubic/kit.htm
21:13.37zacharyI got a strange look from my wife when I asked if she would take a look.
21:14.31CopeI bet
21:15.57zacharyI'll be lucky to make it to 11pm without caffeine.
21:16.18zacharybedtime is usually 9 for me.
21:17.41Copebedtime doesn't exist for me
21:17.46CopeNaps here and there.
21:17.50CopeThat's it.
21:20.21zacharyJust waite until you have another! It's a whole new game.
21:21.05SpudULikePah, just wait until their 10!
21:21.20SpudULikeErr, they're 10!
21:22.15Copemalheureusment, we have: /sbin/dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/cope/reproductive.facilities bs=24 count=1
21:24.21CopeRight lets try to transfer sleepy baby from sling to bed without changing state.
21:26.47Coperight - bed - at least an attempt at bed
21:35.47murblehihi
21:35.52murbleCope: not yet!
21:36.15zacharywb murble
22:16.42SpudULikeIs murble drunk yet?
22:48.59zacharyI'm off to celebrate! See everyone next year!
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23:45.38armijnwow...it smells like it's still 2003 here ;-)
23:45.46armijngreetings from 2004
23:50.53SpudULikeI'm sure that someone will throw open the Window of change shortly.
23:51.03SpudULikeHappy New Year to you.
23:57.51armijnthanks...in three minutes I'll say the same :)
23:58.41armijnit's pretty hard to make good piccies of fireworks with a normal digitl camera...
23:58.50SpudULikeYou guys not on #newyears ???
23:59.01armijnnah
23:59.49armijnprobably every hour everybody starts saying "happy new year"

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