| 00:00.36 | Cope | Unified Modelling Language? |
| 00:00.50 | stephen | User Mode Linux |
| 00:03.40 | Cope | looks very cool |
| 00:04.30 | stephen | someone I know is starting a company selling UML accounts |
| 00:04.36 | Cope | groovy |
| 00:05.12 | stephen | don't think he's actually got the server installed yet, but it's the thought that counts ;) |
| 00:05.33 | evangineer | www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk is a co selling UML accounts, they even have slackware images. |
| 00:05.54 | wethrin | There's already a company out there |
| 00:05.54 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:05.58 | wethrin | Good for them! |
| 00:07.59 | wethrin | slap |
| 00:08.43 | rhowe | (OpenLDAP) |
| 00:08.52 | rhowe | Not that it does anything yet, but it runs :) |
| 00:08.52 | wethrin | Urgh |
| 00:09.10 | rhowe | Well it's all part of the Grand Plan to dump MS Exchange |
| 00:09.37 | rhowe | OpenLDAP neat |
| 00:09.38 | wethrin | Ah. So you're replacing it with something just as useful :) Good plan. |
| 00:10.05 | wethrin | LDAP-- - never found a wonderful implementation |
| 00:10.29 | wethrin | SunONE is the best so far |
| 00:10.29 | wethrin | Although NDS was still the best directory service by a long shot |
| 00:10.34 | rhowe | That's because there is virtually no concensus on so-called standard schema |
| 00:11.05 | wethrin | Yes. And that sucks. |
| 00:11.16 | evangineer | Interview with Jeff Dike - UML's main man http://tech.jvds.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8 |
| 00:11.18 | rhowe | So you either limit what you do, or you make your schemas so generic as to be rather useless |
| 00:14.07 | wethrin | yeh |
| 00:14.39 | rhowe | This is what happens when you give businesses things like LDAP to play with |
| 00:14.55 | rhowe | Although, I think I just thought of a solution... |
| 00:15.32 | rhowe | I don't think it would matter too much if two different LDAP servers had different schema, so if you need to, you could just run two LDAP servers, with the different schema and include referrals where needed |
| 00:15.40 | wethrin | Useless crappy logfiles |
| 00:15.43 | wethrin | Grrrr. |
| 00:15.46 | rhowe | No idea how many clients support referrals though |
| 00:15.54 | rhowe | Yeah, logfiles are a bit archaic |
| 00:16.10 | wethrin | Well, I wanted to know what was wrong with the US server |
| 00:16.38 | wethrin | But no....nothing useful |
| 00:16.48 | rhowe | Ah |
| 00:17.00 | rhowe | And all the Windows servers fire logs at a Linux syslog box |
| 00:17.12 | wethrin | Windows can talk syslog? |
| 00:17.20 | rhowe | If you install ntsyslog :) |
| 00:18.09 | Cope | wethrin: Person selling SGI kit in NW2 |
| 00:18.09 | wethrin | :-/ |
| 00:18.11 | wethrin | Ah |
| 00:18.12 | rhowe | There I was happily walking along, chatting away to Lifang, and suddenly *wham*, straight to the floor |
| 00:18.15 | wethrin | Mmm.....what SGI kit? |
| 00:18.21 | wethrin | Ow. |
| 00:18.36 | rhowe | Yeah, it popped itself back in almost as soon as it popped out, but still, NOT nice |
| 00:18.40 | wethrin | True |
| 00:18.48 | wethrin | Specially if it just suddenly gave way |
| 00:18.48 | Cope | wethrin: Challenge S server r5k-150 |
| 00:18.58 | wethrin | *Drool* |
| 00:19.02 | wethrin | But expensive? |
| 00:19.05 | rhowe | I think I must just've put my foot down at a bad angle or something |
| 00:19.16 | Cope | wethrin: looking at spec |
| 00:19.22 | wethrin | Ah. Dr Dan prescribes beer :) |
| 00:19.30 | rhowe | Who's going to be at the London.pm thing tonight, anyway? |
| 00:19.34 | wethrin | me |
| 00:19.41 | rhowe | wethrin: That much I figured |
| 00:19.44 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:19.48 | wethrin | Lots of Perl people |
| 00:20.03 | rhowe | 079 something :) |
| 00:20.08 | wethrin | yes :) |
| 00:20.38 | Cope | wethrin: no graphics; 64M ram; IRIX 6.5 installed |
| 00:21.02 | wethrin | rhowe: Mine's 07973 623883 |
| 00:21.50 | wethrin | Cope: But how much? |
| 00:22.04 | Cope | wethrin: 60 pounds :-O |
| 00:22.06 | rhowe | wethrin: Mine's whatever you just got a missed call from |
| 00:22.15 | wethrin | Mmm....not bad.... |
| 00:22.17 | wethrin | rhowe: Thanks :) |
| 00:23.58 | wethrin | Bah |
| 00:24.02 | rhowe | Since my mum said she doesn't want to go to HK this year, it looks like it might not be such an expensive trip after all |
| 00:24.04 | wethrin | Run Irix |
| 00:24.17 | rhowe | So maybe I can buy a monitor that I can actually read |
| 00:24.27 | wethrin | It's always best to run the OS that was designed for the system |
| 00:24.31 | Cope | Irix == good? |
| 00:25.32 | wethrin | *shrug* It's SGI's Unix |
| 00:25.37 | wethrin | Good to be familiar with it |
| 00:25.44 | wethrin | NetBSD is the same across all architectures |
| 00:31.11 | wethrin | Mm. My only MIPS machine is an Indy |
| 00:38.37 | Cope | wethrin: Cheapest option for firewall, if one wasn't going to buy an old x86? |
| 00:40.56 | evangineer | "the advantage of an Indy over other SGIs is the low noise level. And the advantage of an Indy over a PC based server is that it runs headless without any problems" |
| 00:42.09 | Cope | sparc4 110Mhz 32MB 1G - 30 quid buy it now on ebay |
| 00:44.03 | rhowe | Irix is supposed to be a bit of a pig AFAIK |
| 00:47.14 | rhowe | select sum(crap) as total_crap, sum(goodshit) as total_goodshit from ebay having total_goodshit > total_crap; |
| 00:47.18 | rhowe | 0 rows found; |
| 00:49.29 | evangineer | That reminds me, does ebay have a web services interface like google and amazon. |
| 00:50.10 | Cope | Just like 24 hours ago |
| 00:51.03 | evangineer | They do have http://developer.ebay.com/DevProgram/ |
| 00:52.02 | Cope | Interesting |
| 00:53.51 | evangineer | Better still an individual licence is free. |
| 00:54.10 | evangineer | Notifications via SOAP. |
| 00:54.38 | evangineer | I may have to do something with this. |
| 00:55.04 | wethrin | Cope: Dammit! |
| 00:55.05 | wethrin | Again |
| 00:55.32 | wethrin | Err..cheapest !x86 firewall - get a SparcStation IP[CX] |
| 00:57.37 | Cope | Hmm - how would you set it up? serial cable? |
| 00:57.42 | wethrin | Yes |
| 00:57.56 | wethrin | You might be hard-pushed for multiple network cards, though |
| 00:59.45 | evangineer | Urgh! - the ebay sdk is windows only! |
| 01:01.01 | evangineer | Won't bother with the sdk then, just use python on linux! |
| 01:01.17 | evangineer | The api is XML anyway. |
| 01:02.04 | evangineer | dasher was at the linuxexpo. |
| 01:02.38 | evangineer | Didn't pay much attention to it though. |
| 01:02.44 | rhowe | hrm, I've been told to watch for Chris Ball at the London.pm thing |
| 01:03.11 | rhowe | evangineer: For Japanese input, it's pretty swish |
| 01:03.25 | wethrin | Hmm. I don't know what he looks like |
| 01:04.12 | rhowe | *shrug* works at cam.ac.uk, so I doubt he'd come all the way down for a casual beermeet |
| 01:04.15 | Cope | wethrin: tricky to get NICs ? |
| 01:04.43 | wethrin | Who? Chris? |
| 01:05.06 | wethrin | Cope: Well, that too, being Sun SBUS |
| 01:05.09 | wethrin | (IIRC) |
| 01:05.13 | evangineer | Chris's contact details are at http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/cjb/contact.html |
| 01:06.22 | wethrin | I wouldn't bother ;-) |
| 01:07.03 | rhowe | Decided I didn't much care for the language and left it :) |
| 01:07.12 | rhowe | I keep meaning to try Python out though |
| 01:07.44 | evangineer | Do we have any serious python coders in gllug? |
| 01:07.47 | Cope | If it can't be done with a shell script, use python.... that's kinda where I'm at. Assuming one has python on the box in question. |
| 01:07.47 | wethrin | Right. It's that time of night again |
| 01:08.02 | wethrin | evangineer: Leeds, sort-of |
| 01:08.02 | Cope | evangineer: Leeds is pretty keen on Python |
| 01:08.17 | wethrin | Yes. And if you can't do it in bash, you do it in a real programming language |
| 01:08.32 | Cope | such as fortram |
| 01:08.35 | Cope | fortran |
| 01:08.43 | wethrin | "Real programmers write in FORTRAN. If it's not doable in FORTRAN, they write it in assembler. If it's not doable in assembler, it's not worth doing" |
| 01:08.46 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:08.52 | rhowe | if you can do it in bash, consider doing it in a real programming language (although that never stopped me doing it in bash anyway :) |
| 01:09.11 | wethrin | But doing it in bash is often the easiest way |
| 01:09.51 | evangineer | Might be interesting if a bunch of us worked our way through Learning Python, 2nd Edition as a study group with Leeds acting as mentor (providing he is up for it of course). |
| 01:10.04 | Cope | evangineer: good suggestion |
| 01:10.12 | rhowe | egrep "^.*:.*:\"$ID\"\$" "$DB" | ( IFS=":" read PEER SUBNET PEERID; case "$ATTR" in "STATIC_ROUTE") [ "$SUBNET" ] && echo "$SUBNET" ;; "GRE_ENDPOINT") [ "$PEER" ] && echo "$PEER" ;; *) exit $ENOATTR # Unsupported attribute ;; esac ) |
| 01:10.31 | Cope | high highbury |
| 01:11.11 | highbury | missing a few ;'s though |
| 01:11.17 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 01:11.21 | Cope | nn wethrin |
| 01:11.31 | evangineer | The accu had a similar project http://www.cix.co.uk/~jimh/python/ |
| 01:11.37 | evangineer | nn wethrin |
| 01:11.43 | rhowe | highbury: I condensed it onto one line :) |
| 01:12.08 | rhowe | All part of a set of scripts for FreeS/WAN |
| 01:12.51 | rhowe | urk, up in 5h |
| 01:12.57 | Cope | gah |
| 01:13.16 | highbury | shell programming also required knowledge of awk and sed ... which is a good thing |
| 01:13.54 | rhowe | ${i/foo/bar} good |
| 01:17.10 | Cope | highbury: awk would be in a standard unix toolkit, though, right? |
| 01:18.42 | evangineer | Cope: Yes it would be. |
| 01:25.31 | Cope | highbury: gawk being !portable? |
| 01:26.21 | highbury | correct, its not installed as standard on most proprietary Unixes, e.g. Solaris, AIX, HP-UX |
| 01:27.36 | highbury | its only real recently one can be pretty certain a machine will have Perl on it. Python is still not available everywhere |
| 01:28.01 | Cope | Likewise there is some bash stuff which you wouldn't have in the orginal bourne shell. |
| 01:28.32 | Cope | highbury: are you a c guy too? |
| 01:28.50 | highbury | correct, but most can be simulated in plain Bourne Shell |
| 01:29.01 | highbury | Cope, a long long time ago |
| 01:29.47 | highbury | but I've found Interpretive languages more useful, especially if one has a decent debugger |
| 01:30.43 | Cope | But if you wanted to go beyond awk/sed you would use c? or perl? |
| 01:30.53 | highbury | never C, always Perl |
| 01:31.21 | highbury | C is not intended for prototyping or scripting |
| 01:31.27 | Cope | Oh sure |
| 01:31.54 | Cope | I suppose that on modern hardware, interpreted languages aren't really slow any more. |
| 01:32.59 | highbury | that's one consideration |
| 01:33.58 | highbury | maintainability being another |
| 01:35.36 | highbury | anyways, its time for bed, nn |
| 01:35.42 | Cope | nn ;o) |
| 01:47.58 | new2unix | :) |
| 01:50.00 | Cope | Hi n2u |
| 01:50.19 | Cope | I'm just crawling into bed - really really tired all of a sudden. |
| 01:50.29 | new2unix | you still up dude? dont you sleep at all? hah |
| 01:51.00 | new2unix | same here. been fiddling with my newest install of slack. very pleased with its preformance so far:) |
| 01:51.46 | new2unix | ok. nn |
| 01:51.53 | Cope | nn :o) |
| 01:52.04 | Cope | nn anyone else awake on planet gllug. |
| 01:52.21 | evangineer | nn |
| 02:48.07 | new2unix | night all. this one's for real |
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| 06:03.36 | new2unix | moin all |
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| 08:04.40 | Tarragon | Moin mozrat |
| 08:04.56 | mozrat | Moin |
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| 08:23.54 | mozrat | Foo |
| 08:24.11 | zachary | bar |
| 08:24.23 | zachary | moin |
| 08:25.28 | mozrat | Moin... just reading userfriendly.org. funny |
| 08:26.14 | Tarragon | zachary: When is the next meeting? The webpage and subject in this channel have said the 24th of Jan for a month. Is tha correct? |
| 08:27.26 | zachary | mozrat: good comic! |
| 08:28.07 | zachary | Yes, so far nothing has changed. Still nothing new with the guy from Novell. |
| 08:28.09 | mozrat | zachary: I have a few of the books also. |
| 08:28.39 | mozrat | Whats on the agenda for 24th Jan? |
| 08:28.47 | Tarragon | Do you have the fluffy dustpuppy? |
| 08:28.58 | mozrat | No... keep meaning to |
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| 08:43.39 | zachary | moin Leeds |
| 09:03.36 | Leeds | evening |
| 10:22.52 | Cope | Morning all |
| 10:30.56 | mozrat | Hi Cope |
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| 10:44.53 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 10:46.51 | zachary | moin jason_ukfsn |
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| 10:47.22 | wethrin | morningthing |
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| 11:00.07 | wethrin | Bleh. It's shit out |
| 11:01.13 | wethrin | Bah. I'm going to lose 20 days of uptime today |
| 11:02.00 | Nutshell | wethrin: why's that then ? |
| 11:02.09 | wethrin | Upgrading the server |
| 11:02.17 | Nutshell | to what ? |
| 11:02.27 | wethrin | 120GB hard drive, and a better network card |
| 11:02.33 | wethrin | I might stick some more memory in, too |
| 11:03.40 | Nutshell | i 'am thinking of having a couple of machines but don't know if i want ot just use a router or have a server/workstaion ? |
| 11:04.05 | wethrin | Depends for what purpose :) |
| 11:05.18 | Nutshell | basically son's machine xp my machine linux and laptop linux internet conection and printer |
| 11:05.58 | wethrin | Get an old box and make it act as a router+print server |
| 11:06.47 | Nutshell | how old ? |
| 11:07.47 | Leeds | pentium or better? |
| 11:07.54 | Nutshell | pirce it up and for a server with an xp1800 and 512mb mem about £250 |
| 11:08.19 | Nutshell | will rob some stuff from win xp machine |
| 11:08.41 | Nutshell | hate windows so son can suffer |
| 11:08.47 | Leeds | well, I've just bought the bits for an XP 220 machine with lots of RAM, hard drive, monitor and so on, for just over 400 quid inc VAT and shipping |
| 11:09.08 | Nutshell | Leeds wheres that from ? |
| 11:09.13 | Leeds | aris |
| 11:09.14 | Leeds | aria |
| 11:09.22 | Leeds | oh, and it's a 2200, not a 220 :-) |
| 11:10.09 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: where's that then? |
| 11:10.14 | jason_ukfsn | maplins |
| 11:10.23 | jason_ukfsn | it's the binatone wl1000 airlink+ card |
| 11:10.47 | Nutshell | jason_ukfsn does it work with linux ? |
| 11:10.53 | Leeds | binatone wireless net card??? scary |
| 11:10.59 | jason_ukfsn | you need to grab the drivers from http://sourceforge.net/projects/acx100/ which I am doing right now |
| 11:11.53 | jason_ukfsn | my wife has complained that there are too many cables here so I cannot run more for the laptop. I have an AP anyway so I figured at that price it's worth trying the card |
| 11:12.22 | Leeds | that's PCMCIA? |
| 11:12.24 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: I assume it was second hand for that price??? |
| 11:12.30 | jason_ukfsn | yes Leeds |
| 11:12.38 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: no it's a special offer at Maplins |
| 11:12.41 | jason_ukfsn | it's a new card |
| 11:14.14 | jason_ukfsn | if I cannot get the card to work I'll just return it as I bought it remotely. |
| 11:16.48 | Nutshell | bloody fedora update take ages |
| 11:17.13 | Leeds | but, but... it's *binatone*! |
| 11:18.00 | Nutshell | the name sounds dodgy |
| 11:18.07 | jason_ukfsn | first games console I had was a binatone - only one I had as a kid |
| 11:18.55 | Nutshell | me to |
| 11:19.11 | Nutshell | had a binatone phone once |
| 11:19.12 | Leeds | although, that's probably unfair, since one of the two phones I have here is a binatone, and I've had it for over 14 years! |
| 11:19.38 | Leeds | (it still pulse-dials) |
| 11:20.01 | jason_ukfsn | in fairness the card is only a rebadge from the looks. It's based upon the same TI chipset as lots of other cards |
| 11:21.45 | Leeds | true |
| 11:21.50 | wethrin | Urgh. Acx100 |
| 11:21.54 | wethrin | I've got one of those cards. |
| 11:22.03 | wethrin | It loads okay, but don't try unloading :) |
| 11:22.15 | wethrin | It worked under 2.4.23, but not under 2.4.24 |
| 11:22.43 | jason_ukfsn | oh well I will get to see how it works with 2.4.22 and 2.4.9(ish) |
| 11:23.03 | wethrin | Won't work with 2.4.9 |
| 11:23.08 | wethrin | It didn't work with 2.4.20 :) |
| 11:23.25 | wethrin | 2.4.22 was okay (Fedora's kernel) |
| 11:23.34 | jason_ukfsn | I can always cable up the laptop and grab the latest kernel updates for RH 7.3 |
| 11:23.45 | jason_ukfsn | which driver did you use? |
| 11:23.50 | wethrin | acx100 |
| 11:23.56 | wethrin | acx100_pci |
| 11:23.57 | highbury | morning folk |
| 11:24.13 | wethrin | Get the CVS tree, though |
| 11:24.14 | zachary | moin highbury |
| 11:24.17 | jason_ukfsn | yes but was it the binary or the OSS one? |
| 11:24.20 | Nutshell | just about highbury |
| 11:24.21 | jason_ukfsn | which version? |
| 11:24.27 | jason_ukfsn | hey highbury |
| 11:24.34 | wethrin | OSS, but you need the binary firmware |
| 11:24.40 | wethrin | Which should be on the installation CD |
| 11:25.18 | jason_ukfsn | yes I've got the cvs version of the driver here and the firmware. I have a fairly recent Knoppix HD install on the laptop which I will use for initial testing |
| 11:27.12 | Nutshell | talking of laptops anyone know of a good one for about £1200.00 which will have a hassle free install for linux ? |
| 11:27.28 | wethrin | Breakfast time! |
| 11:27.38 | Nutshell | dinner time more like |
| 11:28.04 | nasrat | Nutshell: an ibook |
| 11:29.08 | jason_ukfsn | lots of people seem happy with Sony laptops and lots of Debian users seem to have units from Dell. |
| 11:29.08 | Nutshell | nasrat: need pc based as wify buying it :) |
| 11:29.18 | zachary | I've seen ibooks have problems with the external vga port working in Linux. But that is just setting things up during the gllug meetings. |
| 11:29.37 | nasrat | zachary: I've also seen x86 boxes in gllug meetings not working |
| 11:29.40 | jason_ukfsn | IBM laptops should work very well |
| 11:29.48 | jason_ukfsn | DNUK sell Linux laptops |
| 11:29.52 | Nutshell | wify has all money in this house |
| 11:30.02 | jason_ukfsn | I think Captec also do laptops that work well with Linux |
| 11:30.05 | zachary | Nutshell: Shop arround and take a Knoppix disc. |
| 11:30.29 | Nutshell | i'll do that zachary |
| 11:30.51 | jason_ukfsn | if you are using a Knoppix disk remember that you may need to pass the vga=normal parameter at boot as many laptops don't like FB mode |
| 11:31.04 | Nutshell | do you think pc world will let you try knoppix at the store |
| 11:31.33 | mozrat | Nutshell: If you are going to give them £1200 they should |
| 11:31.33 | jason_ukfsn | Nutshell: they may do - it doesn't hurt to try/ask |
| 11:31.57 | jason_ukfsn | will the machine dual boot with evilOS? |
| 11:32.16 | mozrat | They stock Linux distros instore so they may be reasonably friendly about it. |
| 11:32.23 | Nutshell | don't like pc world would love to piss them off as a lot of there staff know next to nowt about computers |
| 11:32.54 | Nutshell | coffee :) |
| 11:41.35 | Nutshell | which distro are you guy's using ? |
| 11:42.00 | zachary | Suse 9.0, Debian 3.0r2 |
| 11:42.55 | Nutshell | would like to try Debian only have 1 machine attmo |
| 11:43.22 | Nutshell | anyone tried Gentoo ? |
| 11:43.41 | mozrat | Nutshell: Debian Woody |
| 11:44.44 | Nutshell | jason how many machines |
| 11:44.49 | jason_ukfsn | I have Fedora ISOs here so I'll be trying that out soon. |
| 11:45.05 | Nutshell | using fedora at the mo |
| 11:45.22 | jason_ukfsn | Nutshell: 3 at home and 7 for the ISPs located in Docklands |
| 11:45.24 | nasrat | I'm running rawhide |
| 11:46.05 | jason_ukfsn | I also have a RH Ent ISO somewhere and I suppose I could grab more recent ISOs for that too. |
| 11:46.23 | jason_ukfsn | TBH I'm focusing on Debian more now. |
| 11:47.09 | jason_ukfsn | the moment anaconda works properly on Debian I'll probably stop installing RH altogether |
| 11:47.53 | Nutshell | Gentoo four days building and buggering about and still could get my ati9000 to work |
| 11:48.36 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: yeah the progeny guys are working on that aren't they. |
| 11:48.36 | stephen | ATI cards under Linux are a pain in the arse to get working from what I've heard |
| 11:48.54 | stephen | that's why I stick with old, well supported cards |
| 11:48.59 | Nutshell | from my problems your not wrong |
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| 11:49.48 | zachary | stephen: I have a ATI Rage Mobility 128 in my Dell. Works just fine. |
| 11:50.06 | Nutshell | fedora is giving me rendering but i think that i uses my processor rather than my video card to do the rendering |
| 11:50.39 | Leeds | nah, ATI cards are easy... just not 100% supported |
| 11:50.53 | Leeds | unless you use their binary drivers |
| 11:51.31 | Nutshell | tried there binary drivers and it just scrwed my system up |
| 11:51.46 | nasrat | ati have also been very helpful with XFree86-devel IIRC |
| 11:52.03 | Nutshell | so i think i'll get nvidea on my next machine |
| 11:52.53 | Nutshell | could be the combination of the via400 chipset ? |
| 11:54.28 | Leeds | yeah, there are issues with kt400 |
| 11:55.12 | Nutshell | are there any problems with the n-force chip set ? |
| 11:57.44 | Leeds | no idea |
| 12:00.47 | zachary | Nutshell: I have a NVidia GeForce2 GTS on my tower. Works fine with every distro that I have tried on it. |
| 12:04.16 | anth | Have any of you tried anaconda for debian? |
| 12:08.47 | mozrat | Hmm.. nothing like standardisation. Rsync between a RH 8.0 machine and Debian Woody: UID/GID for the nobody account is 99 on RH and 65534 on Debian |
| 12:09.06 | mozrat | UID 65534 on RH is nfsnobody |
| 12:09.19 | mozrat | Bah |
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| 12:09.37 | Nutshell | ok just had a look at some nvidia cards, there is a lot to choose from is the latest the FX5--- ? |
| 12:10.12 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 12:19.24 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat: yes anaconda is a progeny project. They are now offering public CVS and building a community around the anaconda for debian project which seems to be going reasonably well - apparently a second release is due soon |
| 12:19.57 | jason_ukfsn | stephen: very new ATI cards aren't fully supported yet however ATI are apparently being helpful in developing the free software drivers for them. |
| 12:20.21 | jason_ukfsn | Certainly they are more Free Software friendly than NVidia who only want us to use their proprietary drivers |
| 12:21.26 | stephen | ah right |
| 12:21.41 | jason_ukfsn | older ATI cards tend to be very well supported. |
| 12:22.02 | jason_ukfsn | My main desktop has an ATI 128 Rage in it and it works beautifully. |
| 12:22.26 | jason_ukfsn | The only thing that's not 100% is output to TV - there is a utility for it but it's not very up to date |
| 12:22.45 | jason_ukfsn | and doesn't work on my card so I can only do output using VESA |
| 12:23.00 | jason_ukfsn | that's still good enough for playing DVDs to the TV |
| 12:23.01 | jason_ukfsn | ls |
| 12:30.36 | zachary | anyone know of a website that offers port scan checks? |
| 12:32.27 | Leeds | yes, google does :-) |
| 12:37.20 | mozrat | Quick puzzle for you: Multiple web servers behind load balancers.... a client visiting the site can go to any given web server. Rsyncing the logfiles onto a common server so they can be analysed. I've got to the stage where all the log files from all hosts are being dumped into a folder. Logfile names are $WEBSERVER_NAME-$WEBSITE_NAME_access_log. |
| 12:38.17 | mozrat | What is the best cat to periodically cat the files together into a single log file for analysis -- the file would be in another directory called $WEBSITE_NAME_access_log |
| 12:38.31 | mozrat | without getting duplicated data into the final file |
| 12:39.17 | mozrat | D'uh -- What is the best way to periodocally cat......... |
| 12:40.31 | mozrat | Maybe use the script to cat the file into the final log, empty it and recreate it?? |
| 12:40.51 | mozrat | but rsync wouldn't be happy with that! |
| 12:41.47 | highbury | write a little perl script to do the job |
| 12:42.58 | jason_ukfsn | can your stats package handle multiple input files? |
| 12:43.11 | jason_ukfsn | if so you don't need to cat them together |
| 12:43.44 | anth | mergelog.sourceforge.net might be worth a look |
| 12:45.31 | mozrat | I'm looking at using AWstats |
| 12:47.53 | mozrat | Oh.. awstats supports multiple log files -- makes life easier! |
| 12:49.55 | mozrat | Yikes.... I thought jason_ukfsn was non-profit making! |
| 12:50.30 | Leeds | not by choice, I think :-P |
| 12:50.36 | mozrat | Anyway... lunch. Thanks all |
| 12:50.39 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn != ukfsn... |
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| 13:10.06 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: for the binatone wireless card which file on the CD is the firmware? Is it the WL1000.BIN file? |
| 13:12.08 | mozrat | With all of the additions to gllug.org.uk do we now have a RSS feed for the mailing list? |
| 13:14.06 | jason_ukfsn | why would we want one? |
| 13:14.21 | jason_ukfsn | surely if someone wants to know what's on the list they can subscribe. |
| 13:15.15 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: forget my last question - I've read the .INF file and it is the WL1000.BIN file |
| 13:15.39 | jason_ukfsn | now I just need to figure out why the module is crashing when I "ifconfig wlan0 up" |
| 13:15.58 | jason_ukfsn | time to follow the debugging instructions... |
| 13:16.19 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: because people can add the 10 latest posts from the list on their websites, which would promote the list, LUG etc... |
| 13:16.36 | mozrat | I do this a bit on http://www.penguinit.com |
| 13:16.46 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: you'd have to get the specific permission of each and every poster to the list for that |
| 13:17.09 | mozrat | ? Why --- the list is archived publically anyway. |
| 13:17.27 | jason_ukfsn | republishing it to other locations |
| 13:18.02 | mozrat | http://www.mail-archive.com/ |
| 13:18.04 | jason_ukfsn | there is a possibility that seeing comments on another site might result in them being seriously out of context |
| 13:18.38 | jason_ukfsn | gllug is not on that site |
| 13:19.02 | mozrat | The RSS feeds provide links back to the HTTP mail archive rather than include the content in my site for example |
| 13:19.04 | jason_ukfsn | I think it's a reasonable expectation that comments made on a list will only be published to/on that list. |
| 13:21.37 | mozrat | OK! |
| 13:22.48 | mozrat | Would the same objections apply if someone linked to a GLLUG post from an external site? |
| 13:25.32 | Leeds | I don't think there's anything wrong with an explicit link for an explict reason (publicising a meeting or event, for example), but automating it is still a bit rude |
| 13:44.35 | highbury | usually various versions of meeting announcements are held on the main site anyway |
| 13:45.25 | highbury | however, we are planning to revamp the webn site to include voting on varied topics, so perhaps mozrat your suggestion can wait till then |
| 13:45.38 | mozrat | Sure |
| 13:59.01 | evangineer | Leeds: are you around? |
| 14:01.35 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: The README file in the acx100 drivers says what files you need (there's 3 of them) |
| 14:01.45 | wethrin | Righty. Time for a hardware upgrade :) |
| 14:02.16 | Leeds | about to go to work |
| 14:02.24 | wethrin | Have fun :) |
| 14:02.56 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: yes but only one of them seems to be needed from the CD - it only has one anyway |
| 14:05.24 | Leeds | evangineer: did you want something? |
| 14:06.18 | rhowe | Dislocated my knee last night, need to rest it |
| 14:06.40 | mozrat | rhowe: ouch -- i did that once. |
| 14:06.50 | mozrat | rhowe: are you in plaster for it? |
| 14:07.27 | rhowe | mozrat: Nah, just got a knee support on |
| 14:07.37 | rhowe | mozrat: It just popped out and back in again in one motion |
| 14:07.51 | rhowe | Not quick enough to prevent me hitting the ground in Euston though :) |
| 14:08.25 | mozrat | rhowe: ah... i had the pleasure of a 90 minute ride to hospital in the back of a 1950s Army ambulance. The driver got lost! |
| 14:09.34 | rhowe | lol |
| 14:09.34 | rhowe | My flatmate's an osteopath, so I'll just let her take a look at it |
| 14:09.34 | rhowe | I'm not registered with a GP yet |
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| 14:12.08 | pawel | re. |
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| 14:23.23 | pawel | hello zachary. |
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| 14:27.39 | Jenson | afternoon everyone |
| 14:28.03 | zachary | hello, didn't realize I was off the channel. |
| 14:28.15 | Jenson | heya zachary |
| 14:28.59 | zachary | Hi Jenson |
| 14:33.45 | jason_ukfsn | hi Jenson |
| 14:40.50 | Jenson | hi jason_ukfsn |
| 14:41.01 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: where in london is it you live again |
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| 14:42.06 | highbury | hmm, 33 browser windows open, I wonder if that is why my machine is so slow |
| 14:42.31 | Jenson | highbury: lol |
| 14:42.35 | Jenson | hi Leeds |
| 14:42.47 | Leeds | hi |
| 14:43.26 | jason_ukfsn | Jenson: I live in borehamwood (boringwood to those who live here) |
| 14:44.07 | Jenson | im moving down to enfield you see, just got a new job today |
| 14:44.21 | jason_ukfsn | congratulations! What's the job? |
| 14:45.18 | zachary | Congrats Jenson |
| 14:45.19 | Jenson | I'm now gonna be working at the mortgage shop in enfield town (my boyfriend has to train me lol) its basic computer stuff and the linux server |
| 14:48.08 | Jenson | ts kinda freaky |
| 14:48.11 | Jenson | but nevermind |
| 14:49.52 | jason_ukfsn | i take it you were not able to get the haynes manual? |
| 14:50.15 | Jenson | no, my granny did look, and i was there tofday, but there is no car manauals atm |
| 14:50.18 | Jenson | manuals |
| 14:51.08 | jason_ukfsn | thanks anyway |
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| 14:51.58 | Jenson | hi wethrin |
| 14:52.00 | wethrin | hi |
| 14:53.20 | Jenson | bloody hell, i need a windows 98 startup disk, but this pc wont make one without a win98 disc and i dont have one of those right now |
| 14:53.45 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:54.23 | Jenson | nevermind, found what i nmeeded and dumped it on the disc |
| 14:54.47 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: there's a site on the net that offers windows boot floppy images |
| 14:54.55 | wethrin | Whee! Lots of superblocks |
| 14:54.59 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: s/wethrin/jenson/ ? |
| 14:55.06 | jason_ukfsn | s/wethrin/Jenson |
| 14:55.12 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:55.13 | Jenson | damn, now im moving out i wont get my new computer or my new bed |
| 14:55.18 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: im ok now lol |
| 14:55.25 | wethrin | Moving out? |
| 14:55.31 | Jenson | yeh |
| 14:56.02 | jason_ukfsn | I'm sure you can understand how easy it is to confuse the two of you wethrin ;) |
| 14:56.20 | wethrin | bah :-P |
| 14:56.23 | wethrin | Jenson: where? |
| 14:56.26 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: well, at one time possiubly |
| 14:56.36 | Jenson | wethrin: enfield, got opffered a job |
| 14:56.40 | wethrin | ah |
| 14:58.07 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: quickest/easiest way to transfer one file system to another, while preserving permissions and links? |
| 14:58.07 | wethrin | tar -cf - | tar -xf - ? |
| 14:58.14 | Jenson | oh and of course there is my 12 month broadband contract, which i have had about 2 weeks |
| 14:58.28 | wethrin | job doing what, BTW? |
| 14:58.42 | highbury | tar cfz - | ssh user@foo "cd /tmp; tar xpzf -" |
| 14:58.56 | wethrin | It's on the same computer :) |
| 14:59.03 | highbury | mv |
| 14:59.12 | wethrin | I don't think mv will preserve links |
| 14:59.13 | Jenson | pdfs, webbuilding (although i hope not coz costa is so much better) linux server |
| 14:59.38 | highbury | ok your original version |
| 15:00.22 | jason_ukfsn | cp -au is the easiest on the same box |
| 15:00.44 | jason_ukfsn | tar -cf - | tar -xf - isn't bad though |
| 15:00.50 | wethrin | Ah. cp does preserve links. Good :) |
| 15:01.13 | wethrin | I'm running BSD utilities, BTW, not GNU :) |
| 15:01.14 | Leeds | cpio... |
| 15:01.15 | highbury | "-u" option looks dangerous |
| 15:01.33 | wethrin | cp -Rp looks like it'll do what I want :) |
| 15:02.08 | highbury | sometimes non-gnu tar's have problems with very deeply nested filesystems |
| 15:02.17 | wethrin | It's not too deeply nested |
| 15:02.22 | wethrin | Definitely < 10 |
| 15:02.28 | wethrin | (well, I think, anyway) |
| 15:02.38 | Jenson | well im off, i'll catch you guys maybe later |
| 15:02.40 | Jenson | or tomorrow |
| 15:02.52 | wethrin | I'll be in the pub later |
| 15:03.16 | Jenson | I'll be trying to get my bastard computer to work later |
| 15:03.41 | Jenson | anyway |
| 15:03.42 | Jenson | seeya |
| 15:03.55 | wethrin | Hah. Look. Reverse DNS! |
| 15:03.57 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:04.08 | wethrin | And Mailbox said they'll do it for this machine. |
| 15:04.59 | wethrin | Grump. cp doesn't want to copy device files |
| 15:05.03 | wethrin | Time for tar :) |
| 15:09.26 | Leeds | cpio |
| 15:09.28 | rhowe | tar cp . |tar xvp -C /target |
| 15:09.41 | rhowe | And cpio's supposed to be better, but I never fathomed it out |
| 15:13.59 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes. cpio. |
| 15:14.14 | wethrin | rhowe: That tar command doesn't want to work |
| 15:14.28 | wethrin | Anyway, tar, by default, tries writing to a tape device |
| 15:14.43 | wethrin | find . | cpio -p /mnt # works |
| 15:14.56 | wethrin | And I just need to copy one device separately |
| 15:18.35 | wethrin | Actually, I don't. That's created by syslog |
| 15:19.10 | wethrin | Right. Time for more swapsies |
| 15:40.03 | highbury | rhowe you gave the wrong syntax to wethrin |
| 15:40.30 | highbury | tar cf - . | (cd /target; tar xpf -) |
| 15:40.52 | highbury | the "f" is critical |
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| 16:47.08 | wethrin | Afternoonwhatsit |
| 16:47.24 | nasrat | wethrin: ooh got ipv6 working then |
| 16:47.35 | wethrin | Yes. I had it working before :) |
| 16:47.45 | wethrin | But currently BT seems to have messed up rDNS for it |
| 16:47.53 | nasrat | oh only noticed now |
| 16:47.54 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:48.06 | wethrin | I was connected from ipv6.eco.li before |
| 16:48.11 | wethrin | (i.e. it mapped the name) |
| 16:48.19 | wethrin | I'll get onto BT tonight |
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| 16:48.47 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 16:54.06 | zachary | wethrin: Airport Extreme, case, international power addapters, capture card have arived. Just missing the most import piece. |
| 16:55.05 | wethrin | Nice :) |
| 16:58.08 | zachary | Yea. Would be nice to have the lapi that everything else plugs into. |
| 17:02.16 | wethrin | Yep |
| 17:02.33 | zachary | Hopefully tomarrow. |
| 17:02.35 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:02.44 | wethrin | Right. Pub? |
| 17:03.11 | zachary | The good news is Jess is taking a class threw next week. |
| 17:03.25 | wethrin | cool :) |
| 17:03.40 | zachary | Tonight is london pm, right? |
| 17:03.42 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 17:04.06 | wethrin | Want to come for beer? |
| 17:04.39 | zachary | SHI7! I already promised Jess I would watch the kids, she has to study for an exam tomarrow. |
| 17:06.17 | wethrin | Ah well. |
| 17:06.18 | mozrat | zachary: did you remember or were you subtley reminded ;-) |
| 17:06.37 | wethrin | I ought to go now, anyway. It's about closing time, and I still want to sort out rDNS for my IPv4 address |
| 17:07.00 | wethrin | Bye all! |
| 17:07.06 | zachary | by dan |
| 17:07.09 | mozrat | bye |
| 17:07.09 | zachary | bye |
| 17:07.36 | zachary | mozrat: Kids have been difficult to deal with lately. My mind has been a little off. |
| 17:07.57 | mozrat | mozrat: Know that feeling! |
| 17:20.57 | mozrat | Enough... no more... hometime. |
| 17:20.59 | mozrat | Bye |
| 17:29.20 | pawel | :) |
| 17:30.42 | pawel | hello. |
| 17:30.44 | pawel | :) |
| 17:32.14 | pawel | in this lovely sunny day. ;-) |
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| 17:36.06 | Leeds | it was lovely and sunny earlier... of course, it was raining at the same time... |
| 17:37.09 | pawel | hi Leeds. |
| 17:37.18 | Leeds | evening... |
| 17:37.25 | pawel | i'm feeling nice and I have a lot of orange juice. :) |
| 17:37.37 | pawel | so fresh. :-) |
| 17:37.58 | pawel | I will take a shower and then will really cool. ;-) |
| 17:38.25 | pawel | it's 10th day without coffee. |
| 17:38.29 | pawel | and beer.. |
| 17:38.41 | pawel | and I'm trying to be hard. |
| 17:38.43 | pawel | ;-) |
| 17:41.08 | Leeds | hmmm... |
| 17:41.33 | pawel | :) |
| 17:41.33 | Leeds | well, I don't drink coffee (but I do drink cola) and I don't drink much beer (except on holidays) |
| 17:42.33 | pawel | for normal in past, for me that was 1-2l/day. |
| 17:42.39 | pawel | coffee of course. |
| 17:43.27 | Leeds | one to twenty-one? |
| 17:44.22 | pawel | one to two litres of coffee per day. |
| 17:44.45 | Leeds | ah |
| 17:44.46 | Leeds | lots |
| 17:45.43 | pawel | i'm trying to change this. |
| 17:45.54 | Leeds | good |
| 17:46.13 | Leeds | I drink that much cola in a day sometimes, but normally one or two cans |
| 17:47.12 | pawel | I hate Nochex. |
| 17:47.41 | Leeds | why? apart from all the spam they've been sending recently |
| 17:49.08 | pawel | it's someting wrong when I'm trying to register my credit card, I'm using Konqueror and I'm waiting 3h hours for authorization, second time anyway. :) |
| 17:49.30 | pawel | I raported this, but they did't answer yet. |
| 17:50.06 | Leeds | hmm, I can't remember if I registered on Safari or Mozilla in the end |
| 17:51.43 | pawel | I'm using PayPal and eBay without any problems on Links. |
| 17:53.32 | pawel | of course not in normal use, I'm not too hardcore. but sometimes it's good and helpful. |
| 17:55.33 | Leeds | indeed |
| 17:55.36 | pawel | ooops, my pepper mint tea. I forgot. |
| 18:07.44 | pawel | :) |
| 18:22.45 | Cope | Evening |
| 18:22.52 | Tarragon | Evening |
| 18:22.58 | pawel | hi Cope. :) |
| 18:33.47 | jason_ukfsn | oh joy (NOT!) |
| 18:33.55 | Tarragon | Why? |
| 18:34.15 | jason_ukfsn | I've been working on implementing a billing system in the opensrs-sf client (I told you yesterday) |
| 18:34.47 | Tarragon | Yes seemed like a good idea |
| 18:34.51 | jason_ukfsn | I need (well want now more than need) to implement a PayPal payment option however I've discovered that the PayPal modules already in CPAN are rather crap |
| 18:35.27 | jason_ukfsn | They don't verify that the transaction PayPal says happened had the right details - just that something happened. |
| 18:35.48 | jason_ukfsn | It's a serious cross site scripting vulnerability. |
| 18:36.37 | jason_ukfsn | means that I'll have to rewrite the thing which mean a new module unless the original author is willing to accept a patch that breaks backward compatibility. |
| 18:37.40 | jason_ukfsn | I can still use his module as a basis but it does mean writing in a fair bit of extra code (I can reuse some of the code from my WorldPay module) |
| 18:47.04 | jason_ukfsn | well time for me to get onto childcare duties |
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| 19:51.19 | Cope | Leeds: 1 hour desk to desk; not bad timing. |
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| 20:02.16 | jenson | hi |
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| 22:14.12 | pawel | nice activity on the channel today. :) |
| 22:15.30 | highbury | evangineer, just saw you suggestion for a speaker, e.g. Phil Nash |
| 22:16.30 | pawel | I'm listing hbr1.com, really nice ambient and dream chills. |
| 22:17.37 | pawel | this is an internet radio. |
| 22:18.02 | pawel | you can stream this and listen. :) |
| 22:18.10 | evangineer | highbury: yes? |
| 22:18.33 | pawel | in xmms/mpg321/foo. |
| 22:18.34 | highbury | evangineer, its not really related to Linux though, is it? |
| 22:19.08 | evangineer | highbury: strictly speaking no. |
| 22:19.39 | highbury | we really prefer stuff which is relevant to Linux, our our membership |
| 22:19.54 | evangineer | okay. |
| 22:19.56 | highbury | s/our our/or our |
| 22:20.14 | pawel | highbury, what exactly you can't? |
| 22:20.33 | pawel | help me to be more readable. :) |
| 22:20.57 | pawel | show me the way. :) |
| 22:21.55 | highbury | pawel: I take it English isn't your native language? |
| 22:22.16 | pawel | highbury, 50 points for you. :) |
| 22:22.49 | pawel | highbury, it's my second month here. :) |
| 22:23.02 | pawel | but I want your correct. |
| 22:23.20 | highbury | s/correct/&ions |
| 22:23.22 | pawel | let me know for the future. |
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| 22:26.31 | pawel | i'm here, on the channel and I'm trying to speak about what I like - Linux and for more experience with language. |
| 22:27.13 | highbury | well welcome to #gllug |
| 22:27.25 | highbury | where do you live? |
| 22:28.14 | pawel | I was on the gllug meeting, one time in past, November I think. |
| 22:28.33 | pawel | East Crescent. |
| 22:28.42 | pawel | Barnet. |
| 22:29.00 | pawel | north. |
| 22:29.53 | highbury | cool, I live in Whetstone nearby |
| 22:30.48 | pawel | :) |
| 22:31.52 | pawel | what soundcard you are trying to use? |
| 22:31.59 | pawel | and how? alsa oss? |
| 22:35.24 | highbury | KDE, Creative AWE64, artsd/alsa |
| 22:37.38 | pawel | I never used alsa, but I will try to help you to start sound with OSS if you want. any way you shouldn't have any problems with any old SB card and alsa. |
| 22:39.28 | pawel | you are using vanilla kernel or suse binaries? |
| 22:39.58 | highbury | suse kernel 2.4.21-144-smp4G |
| 22:42.12 | pawel | can you list for my modules from your memmory now, what you are using now. |
| 22:44.38 | highbury | pawel, its a bit too much, I send the list off channel, |
| 22:45.03 | pawel | highbury, /query pawel |
| 22:48.35 | highbury | as you see 68 lines of module information, which is a bit much |
| 22:48.51 | pawel | highbury, you are using everything? :) |
| 22:49.07 | highbury | I wish :-) |
| 22:49.19 | highbury | nope definitely OTT |
| 22:49.52 | pawel | highbury, next try find /lib/modules/ -name "*sb.o*", i don't know what is in your kernel package. |
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| 22:50.37 | pawel | $ find /lib/modules/ -name "*sb.o*" |
| 22:52.21 | zazzybob | When are the details for the Jan 24th meeting going to be circulated? |
| 22:57.04 | nasrat | zazzybob: when all the speakers have sumbitted there synopsis |
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| 23:23.27 | highbury | /lib/modules/2.4.21-166-smp4G/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o |
| 23:26.30 | Tarragon | 4G ? Just how much RAM do you have? |
| 23:27.00 | highbury | 256Mb |
| 23:27.31 | highbury | I think the -smp kernel supports 64Gb, so I chose the smaller one! |