| 00:00.01 | Cope | nn |
| 00:00.03 | rhowe | Cope: Not having a 6k mile gap is handy |
| 00:00.05 | wethrin | nn |
| 00:00.16 | rhowe | Cope: I'm booking a night at the Kowloon Shangri-la :) |
| 00:00.29 | pie | nasrat: nononono! |
| 00:00.31 | pie | noQ |
| 00:00.34 | pie | no! |
| 00:00.41 | pie | even, not! |
| 00:01.05 | pie | He is not a catholic vicar! |
| 00:01.07 | Cope|Sleep | better? |
| 00:01.29 | pie | Cope|Sleep: Are you asleep? |
| 00:01.36 | Cope|Sleep | pie: sleepircing |
| 00:01.53 | pie | Hmmm, nearly caught you siglieing then. |
| 00:02.00 | Cope|Sleep | ---> gone |
| 00:02.09 | pie | Cope|Sleep: sill here? |
| 00:02.09 | rhowe | Cope|Sleep: We don't believe you |
| 00:02.32 | pie | Yeah, I believe you are sleep stealth-ircing. |
| 00:03.03 | rhowe | ahahaha |
| 00:03.16 | rhowe | $hogirl meets nanami-sensei |
| 00:08.52 | pie | ARSE! FECK! |
| 00:09.09 | rhowe | DRINK! |
| 00:09.15 | wethrin | BEER! |
| 00:09.18 | rhowe | GIRLS! |
| 00:09.31 | pie | BOOBS! |
| 00:10.05 | pie | only because I can't be arsed changing the multichanger |
| 00:10.11 | pie | BOOBS! |
| 00:10.18 | pie | um, OOBS! |
| 00:10.29 | pie | no, that wasn't right |
| 00:14.21 | wethrin | Boobs? |
| 00:15.02 | pie | boobs. |
| 00:15.10 | wethrin | BOOBS! |
| 00:15.18 | pie | BOOOOBS! |
| 00:15.23 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:15.27 | pie | boobs good. |
| 00:15.33 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 00:15.36 | nasrat | 80085 |
| 00:15.39 | pie | 'we like the boob' |
| 00:16.22 | pie | 'cos they are close to uuuuuuus.; |
| 00:16.22 | wethrin | 5318008 |
| 00:16.22 | pie | ' |
| 00:16.22 | pie | indeed. |
| 00:17.02 | pie | ibot google for boobs |
| 00:17.15 | pie | braces that is |
| 00:17.19 | rhowe | http://boobies.nl/pie |
| 00:17.59 | pie | http://www.boobies.nl/rhowe |
| 00:18.03 | pie | very funny ;) |
| 00:19.25 | pie | http://will.slap.rhowe.forfood.org/ |
| 00:20.14 | rhowe | heh |
| 00:21.19 | pie | http://home.hellacool.co.uk/temp/churchsign.jpg |
| 00:21.42 | rhowe | ahahaha |
| 00:21.57 | pie | generated by http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/churchsigngenerator/index.php |
| 00:23.45 | pie | lots of cool stuff on my site: http://jokes.hellacool.co.uk/links.html |
| 00:25.07 | pie | 'k |
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| 00:26.54 | pie | 'lo trskz |
| 00:27.19 | trskz | jo, wassup bro |
| 00:27.32 | pie | the moon! |
| 00:28.04 | trskz | so where's 'da action, 'da broadz, 'da muzak.... |
| 00:28.19 | pie | action: it is quiet in here |
| 00:28.31 | wethrin | They're all somewhere else. |
| 00:28.32 | trskz | loadz a 'overin |
| 00:28.34 | pie | broadz: morfolk |
| 00:28.42 | pie | norfolk even |
| 00:29.07 | trskz | lurkin about 'dem bumba clatz |
| 00:29.12 | pie | muzak: CD2 of the matrix soundtrack, but that is just because I can't be arsed changing it |
| 00:29.14 | wethrin | Action requires too much effort. I think it even involves getting out of the chair |
| 00:30.01 | pie | after this CD I can either a) listen to CD 1 again, or XFM. Two horrible alternatives. |
| 00:30.24 | pie | b) XFM |
| 00:30.41 | pie | or c) go to bed. |
| 00:30.47 | pie | but that is boring |
| 00:30.51 | pie | sleep is lame |
| 00:31.04 | rhowe | yeah! run after him! |
| 00:31.15 | pie | I lose soooo much productivity to unconciousness. |
| 00:31.27 | pie | ibot sleep |
| 00:31.28 | | sleep is, like, overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine |
| 00:31.34 | pie | yeah |
| 00:31.53 | trskz | alternative: set up gllug streamin audio server, but us muthaz could never decide what muzak to put on 'da box ting, man |
| 00:32.20 | rhowe | kpop! |
| 00:32.28 | trskz | Jim Morrison said: I can sleep when I'm dead... |
| 00:32.59 | pie | I am not so hard core, I usually settle for I can sleep later. |
| 00:33.28 | pie | Sometimes I need something loud, *violent* music... |
| 00:33.38 | trskz | how 'bout sum pumpin goa trance and sum pillz |
| 00:33.57 | wethrin | Shostakovich++ |
| 00:34.00 | pie | I hate pumpkin |
| 00:34.04 | rhowe | BoA++ |
| 00:34.26 | wethrin | Pumpkin pie? |
| 00:34.31 | pie | PIE! |
| 00:34.38 | pie | **QPIE!!!(!!! |
| 00:35.51 | trskz | taraaz clat, u bumbas are tinkin of sum udder kinda pie :) |
| 00:35.51 | pie | 'show me the crust, baby'. |
| 00:35.51 | wethrin | An array of pointers? BUT WHY!? |
| 00:35.52 | rhowe | char *argv[] |
| 00:36.07 | pie | char *Aaaaaarrrgh[] |
| 00:36.08 | trskz | that's just an array |
| 00:36.32 | rhowe | trskz: Um, no, it's an array of char *'s |
| 00:36.36 | nasrat | wethrin: allocation - so that you can have multilength strings in each element |
| 00:36.58 | trskz | yeah, but you wanted an array of * |
| 00:37.13 | pie | personally, I like perl ;) |
| 00:37.16 | rhowe | trskz: A char * is a *.. just type-checked |
| 00:37.45 | trskz | i want a pointer to an array of pointers :) |
| 00:38.08 | rhowe | pointers to what? |
| 00:38.09 | pie | want want want! |
| 00:38.53 | trskz | to point to 'da muzak, 'da broadz, 'da action, man |
| 00:39.02 | pie | -----> |
| 00:39.04 | pie | . |
| 00:39.27 | trskz | *LOL* |
| 00:41.14 | pie | I can see the attraction of a whole array of, maybe, boobs. |
| 00:41.16 | wethrin | nasrat: It was more of a rhetorical question :) |
| 00:41.23 | wethrin | I know why you'd need an array of strings |
| 00:41.28 | pie | but I wouldn't want to just point. |
| 00:41.49 | nasrat | wethrin: ok :) |
| 00:41.52 | wethrin | You want an array of boobs where you can get the elements out of? |
| 00:43.02 | trskz | I'm in favour of an array to put some elementes into |
| 00:43.06 | pie | Phwooooooar, yes. |
| 00:43.21 | trskz | erm... 'dats Spanish for 'elements'. |
| 00:43.22 | pie | to both of those |
| 00:43.24 | wethrin | nasrat: Old computers still available for you if you want them :) |
| 00:44.43 | nasrat | wethrin: moving house end of month - see after that |
| 00:44.49 | wethrin | Okay :) |
| 00:46.29 | wethrin | You going to be at Gllug next week? |
| 00:47.32 | trskz | urm... who 'dat questiones directiones 2 |
| 00:47.49 | wethrin | ?? |
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| 00:48.11 | trskz | who's goingz 2 Gllug nexte weekha |
| 00:48.22 | wethrin | me |
| 00:48.34 | wethrin | 'lo atrazine |
| 00:49.10 | nasrat | I'm not :) |
| 00:49.25 | nasrat | no wait ... |
| 00:49.45 | trskz | wethrin: Aaaarrrgh!! I mean "who was your question directed to" when u said: 'You going to Gllug next week' |
| 00:50.42 | wethrin | ah. Nasrat, actually |
| 00:51.05 | trskz | ah, so we know nas is thinkin about it... |
| 00:51.17 | nasrat | wethrin: look at the speaker list |
| 00:51.44 | wethrin | Oh. Silly :) |
| 00:51.52 | wethrin | I completely forgot that. |
| 00:53.40 | trskz | yeah, well, 'datz phunny :) |
| 00:57.12 | wethrin | nasrat: Are there still RedHat 7.3 updates apt-able from somewhere? |
| 00:57.20 | atrazine | hello |
| 00:57.46 | nasrat | wethrin: yes, people just QA'ing cvs and tcpdump stuff for fedora-legacy |
| 00:58.32 | murb | nasrat: does -E work? |
| 00:58.41 | wethrin | Where would they be aptable from? |
| 00:58.57 | nasrat | read up on http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ |
| 00:59.05 | wethrin | Ah. Cheers :) |
| 00:59.16 | nasrat | murb: sorry context you mean apt option? |
| 00:59.32 | murb | nasrat: tcpdump |
| 00:59.59 | murb | as in the mode that does decrypt triple-des-cbc etc. |
| 01:00.10 | murb | when presented with the correct key. |
| 01:00.33 | murb | it woudl also be nice if it could read the key from currents host SAD if said knows aout current in flight SAs |
| 01:00.55 | nasrat | murb: haven't looked tbh, not running any 7.x machines at current place |
| 01:01.17 | murb | i have just an 8 box that i vaguely care about. |
| 01:01.40 | murb | not that i'm employed or anything like that... |
| 01:03.22 | nasrat | murb: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1222 you can slurp and QA and test and RFE |
| 01:04.30 | nasrat | sorry a bit tired and not much help |
| 01:07.33 | trskz | dudeeez, miso is so ready for 'ma bath |
| 01:07.41 | trskz | so I will see uso laterz |
| 01:07.50 | pie | later |
| 01:08.33 | murb | s/ned/bed/ # grrr |
| 01:08.40 | wethrin | 'night murb |
| 01:14.10 | pie | later |
| 01:14.20 | pie | (sleep) |
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| 01:35.36 | trskz | so erm... stephen, do you still hang out in Bolivia |
| 01:35.50 | stephen | nope |
| 01:36.20 | trskz | back in the cotswolds then |
| 01:36.33 | stephen | nah, sunny Oxford for me |
| 01:37.23 | trskz | don't think I know anything about that, I'm a bloody foreigner mate |
| 01:37.31 | trskz | so I'm afraid you'll have to explain it to me |
| 01:38.01 | stephen | Brookes is the lesser university in Oxford |
| 01:38.55 | trskz | geez, I thought they all were in the same pot like, theyz the onez getting the jobz like when they gradute :) |
| 01:39.09 | stephen | hehe :) |
| 01:39.54 | trskz | geez, google says that ur students unios fancies SClub 7. I'm not sure if that suckz |
| 01:41.05 | stephen | probably |
| 01:41.40 | trskz | can u enlighten me on the 'lesser' issue |
| 01:43.01 | stephen | well, Brookes University is a comparatively new, and the general feeling is that most Oxford University students look down on Brookes students |
| 01:43.42 | trskz | geez, u've got a lot of vacancies there, nobody seems to want to work there |
| 01:44.47 | atrazine | then again, Oxford students look down on just about anyone |
| 01:45.21 | trskz | actually, do u know wethrin |
| 01:47.21 | atrazine | I don't |
| 01:48.01 | trskz | he's a radiant and shinin light in our happy community because |
| 01:48.12 | trskz | he's one Oxford student that didn't get a job :) |
| 01:49.09 | trskz | thus there is hope for the rest of us plebs on this planet |
| 01:49.10 | atrazine | ah |
| 01:50.21 | atrazine | then again, Imperial College students have a reputation for being just as bad, but I can't say that I've noticed that to be true |
| 01:52.18 | trskz | Students in general have a reputation of being aloof |
| 01:52.22 | trskz | but I can't say that to be true myself |
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| 01:53.59 | atrazine | indeed, same here |
| 01:54.27 | atrazine | but many of the people I interact with daily are fellow students, so perhaps one simply doesn't notice it |
| 01:56.00 | trskz | Perhaps students are different and it gets interpreted in a negative way |
| 01:56.26 | trskz | but having had the pleasure to spend time with a variety of workers, they can |
| 01:56.47 | trskz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.40 | wethrin | atrazine: You're an ic.ac.uk guy, then? |
| 01:57.53 | atrazine | true, people tend to feel strongly for whatever their own socioeconomic class is |
| 01:57.58 | atrazine | wethrin: yep |
| 01:58.06 | wethrin | Cool. What subject? |
| 01:58.40 | atrazine | fast outbound web and FTP, but our lovely Hall's admins have seen fit to block just about everything inbound |
| 01:58.43 | atrazine | Physics |
| 01:58.48 | wethrin | Excellent :) |
| 01:59.01 | trskz | Anyway, if you got the brains to go to Oxford good luck to u, it's something to cherish reather than being ashamed of, I think, thank ur lucky starz that ur not going to spend the rest of ur miserable existence on a building site |
| 01:59.36 | atrazine | ironically, I spend much of my time helping 1st year CS students |
| 01:59.55 | atrazine | yeah, even with the lovely new top up fees |
| 02:00.08 | wethrin | Heh. I did my first degree in Physics |
| 02:01.22 | wethrin | Top-up fees aren't going to work well. |
| 02:01.39 | stephen | nope, they really will backfire |
| 02:01.48 | wethrin | Specially with the government wanting to get 50% of school leavers into Uni. So the Unis start offering more and more mickey-mouse degrees |
| 02:02.06 | atrazine | but then, to meet Blair's idiotic goal of 50% of the pop' having degrees, we'll need lots of money |
| 02:02.10 | atrazine | exactly |
| 02:02.15 | atrazine | basket weaving |
| 02:02.17 | wethrin | And the better Unis will charge more than the crap ones, which will put people off going to the better ones. |
| 02:02.22 | atrazine | Women's Studies |
| 02:02.26 | wethrin | And people will complain that they're even more elitist |
| 02:02.35 | wethrin | Grr. |
| 02:02.54 | wethrin | Elitism at Oxbridge is a myth that is perpetrated by idiotic newspaper hacks |
| 02:03.12 | atrazine | what kind of a useless 'socialist' is blair anyway, he's about as far to the right as Thatcher |
| 02:03.16 | wethrin | But people read it, think that they're elitist, and therefore don't even bother applying to them. |
| 02:03.17 | atrazine | this is true |
| 02:03.32 | wethrin | And thereby the myth gets slowly realised, and perpetrated more. |
| 02:03.50 | atrazine | I have several friends at Oxford, none of them have an elitist attitude |
| 02:04.58 | atrazine | the only elitism that takes place is intellectual elitism, which is fairly reasonable I should think |
| 02:05.06 | wethrin | Well, yes. |
| 02:05.16 | wethrin | And I think the same could be said from any of the better Unis. |
| 02:05.23 | wethrin | Including IC and UCL :) |
| 02:05.34 | rhowe | man.ac.uk! :P |
| 02:05.50 | wethrin | Yes, well :-P |
| 02:06.04 | atrazine | the whole russell group |
| 02:06.42 | atrazine | or as it's member universities so lovingly call it "The Russell Group of Elite Institutions" |
| 02:07.48 | wethrin | heh |
| 02:07.56 | wethrin | Nothing to do with spending time in the pub, then? |
| 02:08.20 | rhowe | everything to do with spending time with Sarah, and spending time asleep, and spending time on IRC actually :) |
| 02:08.34 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 02:08.53 | rhowe | Hey, I managed to go to a lecture for nearly all my courses |
| 02:09.14 | rhowe | OK so there were maybe a couple of courses I never attended, but for the exams |
| 02:09.28 | atrazine | haha, I refuse to go to relativity lectures, as a matter of principle |
| 02:09.59 | wethrin | :) Relativity isn't so bad. |
| 02:10.16 | atrazine | It's fairly easy, but the lecturer is atrocious |
| 02:10.18 | wethrin | It's EM that was quite unnice. Plus our lecturer was crap. |
| 02:10.26 | wethrin | Ah. That's a good reason for not going :) |
| 02:10.41 | wethrin | Most of relativity can be solved using one of about 3 equations |
| 02:10.49 | wethrin | And a liberal sprinkling of gammas around |
| 02:10.59 | atrazine | yeah, I generally tend to skip my 'programming' lab sessions as well |
| 02:11.11 | wethrin | What do they teach programming in? |
| 02:11.23 | rhowe | wethrin: labs :P |
| 02:11.26 | atrazine | c++ which is a crime in my opinion |
| 02:11.40 | rhowe | ugh, you don't learn to program in C++ |
| 02:11.40 | wethrin | We had a couple of practical lab sessions of programming in 1st year UG (Pascal), and not afterwards. I did my final project in Fortran. |
| 02:11.44 | atrazine | not just the language itself, that's bad enough |
| 02:11.48 | wethrin | C++ is a crim |
| 02:11.50 | atrazine | exactly |
| 02:11.51 | wethrin | rhowe: Bah :-P |
| 02:11.53 | wethrin | *crime |
| 02:12.26 | wethrin | Amnesty International should have a go at Stroustroup :) |
| 02:12.32 | wethrin | Mmmm. CP/M |
| 02:12.44 | rhowe | Hisoft's devpac 80 |
| 02:12.48 | atrazine | mixing all the danger of C with the worst OO implementation known |
| 02:13.12 | atrazine | people are horrified when they hear that I learned to program in i386 assembly |
| 02:13.36 | rhowe | atrazine: Nothing like starting in the dirt and working your way up, I guess |
| 02:13.40 | wethrin | I learned with Basic. I've done some x86 assembly |
| 02:13.46 | trskz | erm... for historical accuracy and pedantries sake: Stroustrup |
| 02:13.52 | wethrin | Sorry :) |
| 02:14.12 | trskz | ;) |
| 02:14.31 | atrazine | not just that, but I've never had memory management problems in C, whereas pointers can really screw you over if you're coming from a higher level language |
| 02:14.58 | atrazine | most of the stuff done in C and C++ should be done in much higher level languages |
| 02:15.18 | wethrin | There is no reason why you need to know about how data is stored in memory unless you're doing bare-metal coding. |
| 02:15.35 | rhowe | Java! |
| 02:15.37 | wethrin | :) |
| 02:16.16 | atrazine | there's of course another "language" which needs to be taken out back and shot |
| 02:16.19 | wethrin | Needing to know about pointers and manual memory allocation for, e.g., an IM client is entirely useless, and should be treated with the contempt it deserves |
| 02:16.26 | rhowe | Still, not a good teaching language |
| 02:16.28 | wethrin | atrazine: Cobol? |
| 02:16.36 | rhowe | But quite a good programming language :) |
| 02:16.45 | atrazine | exactly, all it leads to is people getting owned by way of MSN messenger |
| 02:16.46 | wethrin | Meh. We were taught Java. A lot of us found it fairly easy (those who programmed before) |
| 02:16.51 | atrazine | nah, a lot worse |
| 02:17.02 | wethrin | Those who didn't, still struggle. |
| 02:17.09 | atrazine | from the dungeons of the Beast itself... |
| 02:17.11 | rhowe | wethrin: Should've started on SML or something :) |
| 02:17.19 | wethrin | atrazine: C# is *much* nicer than C++ |
| 02:17.25 | atrazine | VB |
| 02:17.27 | wethrin | Forth, dammit! |
| 02:17.30 | atrazine | <shudders> |
| 02:17.33 | rhowe | atrazine: I've not looked at C# yet, so I'm not going to complain yet |
| 02:17.48 | wethrin | "The elegance of C++ with the speed of Java" |
| 02:17.54 | rhowe | atrazine: Apparently VB.NET is mostly a different language, but I can't imagine it being 'nice' |
| 02:18.00 | wethrin | But, really, it's not so bad. |
| 02:18.12 | wethrin | NeXT did the Right Thing with OO C, when they made Objective C |
| 02:18.36 | wethrin | Standard C extended by a few commands, which all worked. Not the abomination that is C++ |
| 02:19.22 | atrazine | luckily I can get away with writing most of the code for my class in plain C, which will of course compile just fine |
| 02:19.34 | wethrin | Huh? |
| 02:19.56 | atrazine | I rarely use the bloated C++ feature base |
| 02:20.26 | wethrin | There's something rather nice about the Lambda calculus |
| 02:20.37 | rhowe | atrazine: C++ just seemed overly complicated when I was reading about it... too many rules in the language that you have to know to do anything complicated |
| 02:21.02 | atrazine | they actually had the gall to tell me that my programs shouldn't take command line arguments |
| 02:21.11 | wethrin | 'they'? |
| 02:21.13 | atrazine | yeah, it's a monstrosity |
| 02:21.26 | atrazine | "the Man" :p |
| 02:21.33 | wethrin | Lecturers?: ) |
| 02:21.38 | atrazine | one of the demonstrators in charge of the lab session |
| 02:21.42 | wethrin | Urgh. |
| 02:21.46 | rhowe | heh |
| 02:21.47 | wethrin | Anyway. I need sleep |
| 02:21.48 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 02:21.58 | rhowe | "Just use cin and prompt for the filename!!" |
| 02:23.36 | rhowe | hm, yes, sleep |
| 02:30.35 | pawel | night rhowe, wethrin. |
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| 10:54.45 | jason_ukfsn | good morning all |
| 10:55.03 | rhowe | Mornin' |
| 10:55.23 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: I had something to tell you, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was |
| 10:55.49 | rhowe | It probably wasn't important |
| 11:00.09 | pawel | morning. |
| 11:00.29 | jason_ukfsn | rhowe - did you want to tell me you'd be buying me beer? |
| 11:00.37 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: I doubt it |
| 11:01.00 | pawel | hi jason_ukfsn, rhowe. |
| 11:01.08 | rhowe | mornin' pawel |
| 11:01.51 | jason_ukfsn | but you're not sure? In that case I suspect I've hit upon it ;) |
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| 11:55.33 | wethrin | Morning |
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| 12:07.54 | jason_ukfsn | afternoon Nutshell and Leeds |
| 12:08.50 | Leeds | hey jason_ukfsn |
| 12:09.28 | Nutshell | afternoon jaso_ukfsn |
| 12:09.41 | Nutshell | just sorting out a big problem |
| 12:09.53 | Nutshell | like my HD has died |
| 12:10.04 | Nutshell | using knoppix |
| 12:10.29 | Leeds | oops |
| 12:11.17 | jason_ukfsn | I had a similar experience a couple of weeks ago. |
| 12:11.39 | Nutshell | it may just be the cable I hope will take the coputer apart after |
| 12:12.18 | wethrin | Knoppix killed the HD star? |
| 12:13.04 | Nutshell | thanks jason_ukfsn |
| 12:14.01 | wethrin | Heh |
| 12:14.34 | jason_ukfsn | has anyone used bind with the mysql backend patch? |
| 12:17.05 | Nutshell | Hey Leeds how's about sending me that coputer that sit's under your foot at work ? |
| 12:17.33 | Leeds | Nutshell: sorry, I think the boss would get angry... |
| 12:20.50 | Nutshell | haha wife's home, I'll go and start creeping :) |
| 12:21.42 | Nutshell | see ya later |
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| 12:34.27 | wethrin | Upgrade time! |
| 12:35.33 | Leeds | you're trading yourself in for a newer model? |
| 12:36.01 | trskz | would be about time :) |
| 12:49.51 | Leeds | where are they going? |
| 12:49.58 | Leeds | and do they know yet? :-) |
| 12:51.12 | jason_ukfsn | munich |
| 12:51.50 | jason_ukfsn | yes, they do know. My wife asked me to check availability and prices for flights and I managed to get return flights for £20 each plus taxes. |
| 12:52.46 | Leeds | ryanair? |
| 12:54.33 | trskz | the taxes are probably £60 each |
| 12:55.11 | jason_ukfsn | easyjet |
| 12:55.38 | Leeds | good price then |
| 12:55.39 | jason_ukfsn | incl taxes it was £41 each for return flights which is nice |
| 12:56.20 | trskz | yeah, that's good |
| 12:56.54 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn: Shouldn't you be parachuting into munich yourself to help them sort out their linux rollout! ;-) |
| 12:57.08 | Leeds | ryanair are often cheaper than easyjet - but easyjet flys from Luton... |
| 12:58.03 | jason_ukfsn | evangineer I suspect they have sufficient talent locally - anyway I don't speak german |
| 12:58.36 | jason_ukfsn | ryanair don't do munich afaik |
| 12:58.43 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn: I know, I was only joking. |
| 12:59.10 | evangineer | Link for Cope when he wakes up: http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2004/01/15/ieTeam |
| 13:01.46 | jason_ukfsn | I am tempted to join them out there for the last week |
| 13:07.12 | jason_ukfsn | Yeah, I now have a bind install with support for mysql zones |
| 13:09.00 | jason_ukfsn | now to test it to see how suitable it is for what I need |
| 13:35.38 | highbury | hi guys, anybody know how to get into a Windows XP box, in order fix a password file/registry corruption? |
| 13:37.18 | murb | highbury: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html |
| 13:37.32 | murb | (I have a version on a bootable CD, which has proved quite useful) |
| 13:37.43 | murb | I'm not sure what it will do if the registry is actually corrupt though. |
| 13:38.01 | murb | possibly it won't be able ot read it, but it does include a generic registery editor as part of the tool. |
| 13:39.46 | highbury | great thanks murb |
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| 14:22.36 | skugg | hi. |
| 14:23.19 | Leeds | hey skugg |
| 14:23.35 | skugg | long time no see. :) |
| 14:24.03 | jason_ukfsn | hi skugg hows things? |
| 14:24.40 | skugg | smashing. |
| 14:24.44 | skugg | you? |
| 14:24.50 | skugg | i saw you're going to fosdem... |
| 14:24.54 | skugg | i'm going too. |
| 14:25.13 | wethrin | w00t! |
| 14:25.18 | wethrin | Leeds: You coming too? |
| 14:25.38 | Leeds | yup |
| 14:25.45 | Leeds | need to do some booking, ASAP this week |
| 14:25.46 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 14:25.51 | wethrin | Me too |
| 14:26.05 | Leeds | yeah, but I have to go through the company travel agent |
| 14:26.18 | wethrin | Ah. |
| 14:26.47 | Leeds | oh, and I need to get the formal expense approval first |
| 14:26.56 | wethrin | Mm. The titlebars in 10.3 look nicer than the ones in 10.2 |
| 14:27.02 | Leeds | yes |
| 14:28.25 | wethrin | Ah. But it's lost the translucent look for non-focused windows |
| 14:29.28 | skugg | anyone familiar with making debian packages? |
| 14:29.42 | wethrin | JD |
| 14:29.43 | Leeds | JD |
| 14:29.44 | jason_ukfsn | looks like lots of UK folks will be at FOSDEM this eyar |
| 14:29.51 | jason_ukfsn | s/eyar/year/ |
| 14:29.51 | Leeds | yup |
| 14:29.54 | wethrin | Yes. We can take over the pubs :) |
| 14:30.16 | jason_ukfsn | we'll all be arrested as geek holigans ;) |
| 14:30.23 | Leeds | never stopped us before |
| 14:30.31 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: Speak for yourself :-P |
| 14:30.35 | skugg | i know jd is, but he's been idling for a while, so i was hoping someone actually present had... |
| 14:30.54 | jason_ukfsn | argh! I've just discovered that my news spool has loads of very old files sitting there wasting space |
| 14:31.12 | jason_ukfsn | oh well, find to the rescue |
| 14:31.13 | wethrin | Menus are nicer :) |
| 14:31.20 | Leeds | yes |
| 14:40.46 | wethrin | w00t. And it's gained the -h option to df |
| 14:47.13 | jason_ukfsn | well now I know where my disk space on the UKFSN news server had gone - lots of binaries had slipped in under alt.sex back in June and when I re-initialised the server afterwards it "lost" them. |
| 14:47.27 | wethrin | Ahhhhhh. Yes, Jason :) |
| 14:48.06 | Leeds | that's his story and he's sticking to it! |
| 14:48.38 | wethrin | *nod* |
| 14:49.51 | wethrin | Tum-te-tum. It takes a long time to Optimize the Hard Drive |
| 14:50.02 | jason_ukfsn | why couldn't it have been useful ones?! |
| 14:50.11 | wethrin | Useful porn? |
| 14:50.23 | jason_ukfsn | and now lots of crap under alt.support |
| 14:50.23 | murb | jason_ukfsn: running INN? |
| 14:51.08 | jason_ukfsn | yes murb |
| 14:51.29 | murb | and not using one of the newer storage methods? |
| 14:59.04 | jason_ukfsn | no. I value simplicity |
| 15:00.30 | wethrin | Bye |
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| 15:12.16 | Nutshell | well twas the ide cable :) |
| 15:12.50 | Leeds | good |
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| 15:24.06 | Leeds | I heard a bad review of it yesterday |
| 15:24.11 | Leeds | afternoon atrazine |
| 15:24.25 | jason_ukfsn | I've enjoyed lots of films that had terible reviews. |
| 15:24.36 | Leeds | of course... |
| 15:24.36 | atrazine | afternoon |
| 15:24.51 | jason_ukfsn | I am a very shallow person and just want to be entertained. I can suspend disbelief without trouble for most things |
| 15:25.05 | Leeds | can I quote you on that? :-) |
| 15:25.19 | jason_ukfsn | if you want to particularly bore someone yes ;) |
| 15:26.20 | jason_ukfsn | of course I retain copyright and will require payment of performance fees ;) |
| 15:28.46 | Leeds | damn! there goes my "Sayings of Jason Clifford" plan! |
| 15:29.45 | jason_ukfsn | scuppered a long time ago when I sold the rights to my life to AOL |
| 15:30.05 | Leeds | you mean Time Warner? |
| 15:30.09 | jason_ukfsn | I go 20p for it |
| 15:30.16 | jason_ukfsn | s/go/got/ |
| 15:30.57 | murb | Leeds: no they dropped that name. |
| 15:32.00 | Leeds | murb: no, Time Warner dropped the AOL name |
| 15:33.30 | murb | did they oh i get confused. |
| 15:33.55 | jason_ukfsn | I thought the both agreed to drop the CompuWarner name |
| 15:34.39 | Leeds | AFAIK they changed the name from AOL Time Warner back to Time Warner |
| 15:35.16 | jason_ukfsn | I thought they were changing it to Commeo |
| 15:35.48 | jason_ukfsn | half a pint of cheap lager to the first one to get that |
| 15:43.11 | rhowe | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html |
| 15:48.31 | Leeds | cool |
| 15:49.39 | rhowe | Nah, the really cool bit is on the 3rd page :) |
| 15:49.48 | rhowe | When they get onto Apollo Diamond |
| 15:50.38 | Leeds | argh |
| 15:50.48 | Leeds | people selling low-res b/w bitmaps for 50p a time! |
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| 16:13.22 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 16:35.57 | JD | eeck missed skugg |
| 16:36.04 | wethrin | heh |
| 16:37.34 | rhowe | Anyone for credit card funded beer and movies in Hendon this evening? |
| 16:37.52 | rhowe | Assuming my flatmate hasn't got tickets for this club thing.. |
| 16:38.14 | gregj | anyone for pub today ? |
| 16:38.24 | rhowe | if it takes Mastercard :) |
| 16:38.31 | rhowe | and does food |
| 16:38.46 | rhowe | Then I can put off food shopping for another whole day |
| 16:39.07 | jason_ukfsn | rhowe what film are you going to see? |
| 16:39.27 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: I was thinking something on DVD, although I'd quite like to see Lost in Translation |
| 16:41.04 | rhowe | Anyway, I'm hungry and I've been lying in bed moping all day |
| 16:43.17 | rhowe | gregj: Where are you? |
| 16:44.24 | gregj | UK/London |
| 16:44.28 | gregj | docklands |
| 16:44.29 | gregj | :] |
| 16:45.04 | rhowe | gregj: heh, well if you wanna go to a pub, just say |
| 16:45.12 | gregj | i am saying that |
| 16:45.13 | gregj | :] |
| 16:45.19 | rhowe | I'd need to stop off for food on the way though |
| 16:45.25 | rhowe | La Porchetta in Islington? :) |
| 16:45.39 | rhowe | gregj: Name your pub, and a time, and as long as they take Mastercard, I'm fine |
| 16:45.49 | gregj | Islingto is bit too far away from my place |
| 16:46.23 | rhowe | gregj: I don't really mind where we go.. so long as it's within Zone 3 |
| 16:55.28 | rhowe | wethrin: pub? |
| 16:55.37 | wethrin | Too far away :-/ |
| 16:55.54 | rhowe | wethrin: too far? |
| 16:56.11 | wethrin | Yes. Takes about an hour to get to Central London |
| 16:57.49 | rhowe | wethrin: Ah, about twice as long as from here |
| 16:58.35 | wethrin | Mm. |
| 17:12.42 | rhowe | gregj: time and place in mind? |
| 17:17.09 | murb | wethrin: wycombe.pub? |
| 17:17.53 | murb | maybe we should have a pub meet in beconsfield or amersham. |
| 17:19.58 | wethrin | Hm. Pub tomorrow? |
| 17:20.17 | wethrin | Plus haven't had lunch yet |
| 17:20.23 | murb | neither have i! |
| 17:20.30 | murb | well i had breakfast at about 1400 |
| 17:20.46 | wethrin | I had it about 11ish |
| 17:20.46 | murb | winterwarmer is quite effective. |
| 17:23.34 | wethrin | For breakfast? |
| 17:23.52 | Cope | Hello |
| 17:24.59 | rhowe | Cope: pub? |
| 17:25.20 | wethrin | Coffee tiem. |
| 17:25.27 | Cope | rhowe: Alas, see reply from yesterday. |
| 17:25.43 | Cope | I have 1 bottle of Adnams SSB |
| 17:26.10 | Nutshell | hum beer better go to the shop :) |
| 17:27.48 | rhowe | Cope: Well unless gregj comes up with a better suggestion, I'm quite tempted to buy in some cans and fire up Mononoke Hime, since the weather looks particularly wet and unnice |
| 17:28.29 | Cope | gregj has no imagination - don't get your hopes up ;o) |
| 17:28.48 | rhowe | heh |
| 17:29.00 | Cope | gregh: hi, btw :o) |
| 17:29.08 | rhowe | Looks like it's a night of anime then :) |
| 17:30.08 | rhowe | 112 "shanta" #117: STATE_QUICK_I1: initiate |
| 17:30.08 | rhowe | 003 "shanta" #117: up-host command exited with status 1 |
| 17:30.10 | rhowe | bleh |
| 17:31.11 | rhowe | irvined_: #1 is good, not seen the others, though I heard good things about #3 |
| 17:31.16 | Cope | irvined_ baise moi is quite ordinary |
| 17:31.45 | murb | rhowe: are you using ip link set ipsecFOO name blahblah stuff? |
| 17:32.21 | Cope | irvined_ the pianist is thought provoking - I enjoyed it; the book is better (quelle surprise?) |
| 17:32.56 | rhowe | murb: No, add firewall rules |
| 17:33.08 | murb | not at all over? |
| 17:33.17 | irvined_ | Cope, yeah i figured it was over hyped, its imdb review wasnt so hot, but it was a fiver so i dont feel so bad. |
| 17:33.24 | Cope | irvined_ if you want a recommendation for violent pseudo-sexy european movie, take in Irreversible - mindblowing, and very very clever. |
| 17:33.27 | rhowe | murb: Except so far, I've mistyped the name of my firewall script, and managed to get the parameters wrong for the script I wrote 10mins ago :) |
| 17:34.18 | rhowe | Ah, finally |
| 17:35.23 | Cope | irvined_ baise moi is the kind of movie you enjoy over a beer, but don't really remember; Irreversible is an unforgettable experience, and should be watched twice. |
| 17:35.32 | irvined_ | Cope, cool. |
| 17:36.06 | Cope | irvined_ - also, A ma souer is very good. |
| 17:36.33 | Cope | </rant about european cinema> |
| 17:37.03 | Cope | mmmm beer+++ |
| 17:38.04 | Cope | ibot lart hair that is not quite long enough to tie back |
| 17:43.58 | murb | rhowe: for? |
| 17:44.21 | rhowe | murb: Hong Kong |
| 17:44.48 | murb | rhowe: how much does it cost to fly there? |
| 17:45.11 | murb | and is this related to having not enough cash for regular pub attendance? :) |
| 17:45.14 | rhowe | murb: £324 inc. tax, this time. It varies from 300 to 700, depending when you go |
| 17:45.24 | rhowe | murb: Yes, it is :) |
| 17:46.09 | rhowe | murb: However, I discovered that I still have a fair way to go before hitting the limit on my credit card, so as long as the pub takes plastic money I'm fine :) |
| 17:46.14 | rhowe | mmm, beer on credit |
| 17:47.03 | murb | I was thinking about doing far east wunderung, but probably not good idea to go on my own. |
| 17:47.12 | murb | have to find some poor fools to come along. |
| 17:48.17 | rhowe | Definately a part of the world worth visiting |
| 17:48.38 | rhowe | Ah, great. I got the nod |
| 17:49.52 | rhowe | Cope: Food? |
| 17:50.03 | Cope | rhowe: food++ |
| 17:50.10 | rhowe | Cope: Hungry? |
| 17:50.27 | Cope | rhowe: I have carrots, sweetcorn, cheese, bread and rice |
| 17:50.39 | rhowe | Cope: I know a nice place in Islington :P |
| 17:51.06 | rhowe | /dev/hda7 961M 877M 84M 92% /usr |
| 17:51.13 | rhowe | [doufu] /usr/local/share/games # rm -rf hlds; df -h |
| 17:51.19 | rhowe | /dev/hda7 961M 233M 728M 25% /usr |
| 17:51.25 | rhowe | Ah, much better |
| 17:51.36 | Cope | rhowe: *smiles* Getting to islington costs money, food in islington also costs money; food at home cooked by Sophie costs nothing, but lacks the company of rhowe. |
| 17:51.59 | rhowe | Cope: rhowe has a credit card that could stretch to a meal for 3 |
| 17:52.29 | murb | Cope: it would have to be an expensaive meal to justify the travel wouldn't it? |
| 17:52.33 | rhowe | Cope: Then again, it'd be 3.5, presumably? |
| 17:52.43 | Cope | rhowe: cope does not encourage spending money on credit cards unless its vital. |
| 17:53.15 | rhowe | Cope: hmm |
| 17:53.43 | Cope | rhowe: We'll hang out soon, and maybe include you in our new year plans. |
| 17:53.48 | rhowe | murb: *nod*, except this time I bought the tickets on switch |
| 17:54.17 | rhowe | Cope: rhowe also has a credit card that could easily stretch to cover a couple of pints with Cope's name on them, whatever that may be |
| 17:54.28 | rhowe | Hm, Steve, it'd appear |
| 17:55.30 | Cope | rhowe: *smiles* when you get to 35K in debt through dribs and drabs, you learn the value of prudence. Credit cards are not for beer and takeaway. |
| 17:56.02 | rhowe | Cope: Ah I'm only 18k in debt or so IIRC |
| 17:56.16 | Cope | rhowe: The pub will be there in 2 weeks time :o) |
| 17:56.29 | rhowe | Cope: True, and so will $paycheque |
| 17:56.34 | Cope | rhowe: exactly |
| 17:56.44 | rhowe | Except it's already more than accounted for :) |
| 17:57.18 | Cope | rhowe: however I will be around on saturday for gllug, so beer & maybe food will be consumed then. |
| 17:57.32 | rhowe | But.. but.. today is Saturday :) |
| 17:57.36 | murb | Cope: 35K? that is quite impressivly high.. |
| 17:57.47 | rhowe | murb: Not in yen! |
| 17:58.09 | Cope | murb: depressingly so. |
| 17:58.21 | rhowe | Or złotys |
| 17:59.55 | wethrin | Jobs are useful |
| 18:00.14 | rhowe | murb: Tell you what, find me a job in .hk, and you can have mine |
| 18:00.23 | Cope | Beer would be hard in your were in .hk |
| 18:00.36 | rhowe | Cope: Yeah, £4+ per pint |
| 18:00.37 | wethrin | The pub will be there in one week's time :) |
| 18:00.39 | murb | Cope: no, just 300 or so quid. |
| 18:00.46 | rhowe | Cope: Though a local brew would no doubt be a bit cheaper |
| 18:00.57 | murb | Cope: for 35K you can make 100 trips easily. |
| 18:00.57 | Cope | rhowe: *smiles* |
| 18:01.15 | rhowe | Cope: Then again, if I were with Sarah, no need for beer |
| 18:01.18 | Cope | murb: true. But the idea is to reduce the debt. |
| 18:01.30 | wethrin | There is always a need for beer. |
| 18:01.38 | Cope | rhowe: Hmmm... I am with Sophie, and have need for beer. |
| 18:01.49 | Cope | beer is good |
| 18:02.14 | rhowe | Cope: rhowe.drink(beer) || rhowe.kiss(Sarah) |
| 18:03.04 | wethrin | So you can do both :) |
| 18:03.39 | wethrin | Of course, by evaluation of what you've just said, if you drink beer, you don't need to kiss Sarah |
| 18:04.15 | rhowe | No, if I drink beer, it is pointless trying to kiss Sarah :) |
| 18:04.44 | rhowe | OK, s/.kiss/.tryToKiss/ :) |
| 18:05.13 | rhowe | Similar effect to onions :) |
| 18:05.21 | Cope | Sarah-- |
| 18:05.44 | rhowe | nah, Sarah++ |
| 18:06.05 | wethrin | Onions++ |
| 18:06.11 | wethrin | Specially crispy fried onions |
| 18:06.16 | rhowe | Garlic++ |
| 18:06.26 | wethrin | Mmmm. |
| 18:06.28 | wethrin | Yes indeedy. |
| 18:06.41 | rhowe | garlic mayonnaise is a wonderful, wonderful invention |
| 18:07.35 | wethrin | Heh |
| 18:07.50 | Cope | while !sarah do beer(drink) done ? |
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| 18:08.17 | Cope | Something along those lines anyway. |
| 18:08.17 | rhowe | Indeed |
| 18:08.26 | wethrin | Mmm. Mix of languages |
| 18:08.32 | Cope | wethrin: quite |
| 18:09.35 | wethrin | while (!sarah) drink(beer); |
| 18:09.44 | rhowe | while (currentCountry.findSarah() == null) { this.drink(beer); this.goToWork(beer /* What to have for lunch */); this.drink(beer); Thread.sleep(50); } |
| 18:10.14 | rhowe | Where beer is sometimes tea |
| 18:10.38 | Cope | while (!sarah) { drink(beer); } |
| 18:10.57 | wethrin | Yes, but you don't need the braces for a single statement |
| 18:11.18 | Cope | I see |
| 18:11.48 | wethrin | And you generally don't need this.method - just method will normally do |
| 18:12.25 | wethrin | Aw |
| 18:12.34 | wethrin | Cope: Do you still want hard drive(s)? |
| 18:13.01 | Cope | rhowe: come to nw[26] and we can drink beer! |
| 18:13.19 | Cope | wethrin: I expect so! |
| 18:13.33 | wethrin | Okay |
| 18:14.11 | rhowe | Cope: Where's that? |
| 18:14.36 | Cope | rhowe: In my case NW2 is Cricklewood and NW6 is Kilburn |
| 18:14.47 | Cope | rhowe: You are NW4 |
| 18:14.52 | wethrin | rhowe: Does that tell you which streets homeless peopel are in? |
| 18:15.05 | rhowe | Cope: I am, and getting to there is easy enough |
| 18:15.14 | Cope | rhowe: tfl.gov.uk/journeyplanner is your friend |
| 18:15.15 | rhowe | Cope: Although I suspect bus would be quicker than tube+walk |
| 18:15.29 | Cope | rhowe: bus is much much quicker |
| 18:16.08 | rhowe | Cope: postcode? |
| 18:17.02 | Cope | Stalkers pay attention now: NW6 1NS |
| 18:17.42 | rhowe | hah. It claims 43mins |
| 18:17.58 | Cope | Although $STALKER would be pretty odd to be a) interested in me and b) trawling through irc logs of a london linux user group |
| 18:18.43 | atrazine | m/sg #stalkers damn, I think they're onto us |
| 18:18.46 | atrazine | oops |
| 18:18.59 | Cope | rhowe: Go into the 'more settings' bit and optimise walking and set to fast |
| 18:19.24 | rhowe | Walk to Park Road (NW9). Take Bus 32 towards Kilburn Park to Mill Lane (NW2). Walk to NW6 1NS. |
| 18:19.27 | rhowe | Sound sane? |
| 18:20.10 | Cope | rhowe: perfect - although pub is 5 mins walk back up the road from the Mill Lane stop |
| 18:20.40 | Cope | ibot atrazine |
| 18:20.47 | | Cope: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:20.58 | Cope | ibot Atrazine is an herbicide registered in the United States for the control of broadleaf weeds and some grassy weeds. |
| 18:21.00 | | Cope: okay |
| 18:21.07 | Cope | ibot no, Atrazine is an herbicide registered in the United States for the control of broadleaf weeds and some grassy weeds |
| 18:21.09 | | Cope: okay |
| 18:21.32 | rhowe | ibot aspartame |
| 18:21.34 | | rhowe: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:21.43 | Cope | ibot atrazine also acts by inhibiting photosynthesis |
| 18:21.44 | | Cope: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:22.07 | rhowe | heh, that actually made me laugh |
| 18:23.13 | Cope | ibot atrazine is also a photosynthesis inhibitor |
| 18:23.15 | | okay, Cope |
| 18:23.38 | rhowe | Cope: ou est le pub? |
| 18:23.43 | Cope | ibot atrazine is also allegedly linked to the wholesale death of frogs |
| 18:23.45 | | okay, Cope |
| 18:24.05 | Cope | ibot atrazine |
| 18:24.06 | | somebody said atrazine was an herbicide registered in the United States for the control of broadleaf weeds and some grassy weeds, or a photosynthesis inhibitor, or allegedly linked to the wholesale death of frogs |
| 18:24.07 | rhowe | Since I can probably just go catch a train to either Cricklewood or West Hampstead. |
| 18:24.23 | Cope | Very good. |
| 18:25.00 | Cope | rhowe: Train to cricklewood would leave the pub equidistant between you and I. |
| 18:25.10 | rhowe | Cope: OK, sounds fair enough |
| 18:25.21 | Cope | rhowe: /msg for directions |
| 18:26.31 | pawel | :) |
| 18:26.34 | pawel | hi Cope. |
| 18:29.43 | rhowe | Shipman's last meal was a  curry, he when asked if he enjoyed it he  said  it  was fine, but he could  have murdered a nan.  |
| 18:30.31 | wethrin | *groan* |
| 18:32.46 | wethrin | Yes, but it's a really bad pun |
| 18:32.55 | rhowe | Better than "What do harold shipman and gareth  gates have in common?" "Neither can finish a sentence." |
| 18:33.58 | rhowe | or "why didn't shipman wait to die of natural causes?" "he ran out of patience." |
| 18:34.11 | wethrin | *GROAN* |
| 18:47.19 | skugg | JD, you there? |
| 19:18.11 | skugg | they give me grief (by, seemingly, not working) |
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| 19:49.15 | highbury | murb, unfortunately that password changing program for Windows XP didn't work :-( |
| 19:49.50 | murb | highbury: very broken then? |
| 19:50.18 | highbury | didn't seem to allow me to reset the Administrator password |
| 19:50.57 | murb | I think the microsoft line is to reinstall onto the same partition in a different directly, but that still screws up your "Progam Files" etc directories. |
| 19:52.19 | wethrin | Get access to the partition, and copy usermgr.exe to login.scr |
| 19:54.36 | highbury | unfortunately I just discovered that knoppix doesn't rw NTFS partitions |
| 19:55.06 | murb | general NTFS rw with a native linux driver isn't avalible. |
| 19:55.09 | highbury | the problem occurs in lsass.exe |
| 19:55.32 | murb | highbury: can't you use the installer to replace that binary? |
| 19:56.22 | highbury | in order to enter repair mode, I need to type in the Administrator password |
| 20:03.33 | evangineer | highbury: if you need a LiveCD with NTFS rw capabilities, LinuxDefender can do the job ftp://ftp.bitdefender.com/pub/linux/free/LinuxDefender/ |
| 20:04.06 | evangineer | You can find some blurb about it at http://linuxpr.com/releases/6562.html |
| 20:05.26 | highbury | ok, thanks evangineer |
| 20:05.30 | evangineer | It uses Captive http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 20:05.53 | evangineer | np |
| 20:06.55 | murb | evangineer: does it warn against using with older ntfs paritions? |
| 20:07.06 | murb | highbury: I wouldn't use that driver in rw mode without a complete backup.. |
| 20:07.33 | murb | ask on #ntfs for details.. |
| 20:08.06 | murb | basically you are running ntfs.sys in userspace using lufs to communicate with it, you are also letting it touch your fs |
| 20:10.56 | evangineer | murb: I don't see any warnings to that effect. |
| 20:11.04 | pawel | :-( |
| 20:13.35 | evangineer | murb,highbury: there is a TODO note saying "Microsoft Windows 2000, NT-4.0, 2003-Server drivers compatibility" |
| 20:13.35 | murb | evangineer: well of course jan isn't going to say that, it is his toy! |
| 20:13.35 | murb | but it is also of very dubious legality as well. |
| 20:13.39 | pawel | evangineer, hello my friend. |
| 20:13.39 | murb | pity jan didn't spend the time working on linux-ntfs :( |
| 20:13.47 | evangineer | murb: so reading between the lines, it's only XP-compatible? |
| 20:13.51 | evangineer | hi pawel |
| 20:14.04 | murb | evangineer: it uses the XP ntfs driver, it won't work with any other. |
| 20:14.37 | evangineer | murb: so the XP ntfs driver isn't backwards compatible? |
| 20:15.00 | evangineer | pawel: how is the thinkpad? |
| 20:17.03 | murb | evangineer: no, the point is you have to get the ntfs.sys from XP. |
| 20:17.12 | murb | which if you don't have XP you certainly have no right to use. |
| 20:17.31 | murb | and do you trust it not to update your filesystem? |
| 20:17.32 | pawel | evangineer, my baby's gone. fans, radiator and sensors are in one module, but IBM can sell me only this completly with the motherboard only. :-( |
| 20:18.10 | evangineer | murb: point taken. |
| 20:18.25 | evangineer | pawel: damn shame! |
| 20:19.28 | pawel | evangineer, it's more expensive than my laptop. |
| 20:20.19 | evangineer | pawel: time to get a new laptop then, provided you can afford one! |
| 20:20.58 | pawel | I will sell a matrix, dvd, disk and memory. |
| 20:21.33 | evangineer | put it up on ebay. |
| 20:25.57 | pawel | i'm thinking about ppc. |
| 20:26.22 | pawel | maybe pb/12"/wifi. |
| 20:26.37 | wethrin | Yes. :) |
| 20:27.05 | pawel | :) |
| 20:27.06 | evangineer | pawel: wethrin, Leeds and zachary are our resident ppc experts |
| 20:27.39 | Leeds | am I? |
| 20:28.01 | murb | you are so nominated. |
| 20:28.01 | pawel | hi Leeds. |
| 20:28.04 | Leeds | I would say user, rather than expert... unless you're talking about the TiVo :-) |
| 20:28.06 | evangineer | Leeds: I thought you had a mac? |
| 20:28.33 | Leeds | evangineer: sure, I've got one... |
| 20:28.36 | pawel | Leeds, better experience than nothing. ;-) |
| 20:29.03 | wethrin | 'tis time for luncheon/dinner |
| 20:29.04 | Leeds | true |
| 20:29.07 | evangineer | I consider anyone who has an Apple more of an expert than I am on the topic |
| 20:30.22 | Leeds | true :-) |
| 20:30.29 | evangineer | If I didn't have a longstanding grudge against Apple and worries about build quality, I'd be quite tempted by a 12" ibook |
| 20:30.45 | wethrin | There's nothing to worry about the build quality :) |
| 20:30.52 | pawel | but I will need a dual boot on mac, can I do this? |
| 20:31.07 | Leeds | I think so, but I've not done it |
| 20:31.49 | wethrin | Do you really need to? There's nice developer tools with OS X. And you can get lots of Unix apps, courtesy of Fink |
| 20:31.52 | wethrin | Lunch! Bye! |
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| 20:33.56 | evangineer | Personally, I'd be tempted to wipe the hard disk, install my preferred Linux flavour and install MOL on top. |
| 20:34.08 | pawel | I had a one old Power Macintosh 7200, there was Yellow Dog, but insalled by somebody else. |
| 20:34.49 | pawel | s/insalled/installed/ |
| 20:35.47 | pawel | I like sparcs, with openboot. |
| 20:35.53 | pawel | I love it. ;-) |
| 20:36.05 | evangineer | If I had a ppc machine, I'd put either Slackintosh or the ppc version of rock linux on it. |
| 20:36.36 | evangineer | Unless it was especially old, in which case NetBSD would be the order of the day. |
| 20:36.53 | pawel | I've got MAC without any operating system, I can make easy net installation or I can just type 'boot floppy'. |
| 20:36.55 | evangineer | I've had very little experience with sparcs |
| 20:36.58 | pawel | :) |
| 20:37.18 | Leeds | evangineer: I've got some :-) |
| 20:37.30 | pawel | I had two old sparcstations. |
| 20:37.33 | pawel | 5 and 20. |
| 20:37.36 | evangineer | Yes Leeds we know! |
| 20:39.34 | pawel | for both I had a roots on the network via NFS, because I had this machines without scsi hdds. |
| 20:39.57 | pawel | on the x86 machines with sparc binaries. 8-) |
| 20:41.51 | pawel | I will never forget problems with a monitor cables. ;-) |
| 20:43.48 | evangineer | I've never really spent much time with non-x86 hardware. |
| 20:44.36 | evangineer | I would like to get ahold of some ppc kit and perhaps some mips kit. |
| 20:45.16 | evangineer | I wouldn't mind one of the old mips-based Cobalt Qubes |
| 20:45.29 | Leeds | I've got a cardboard one |
| 20:45.57 | evangineer | Leeds: I'm sure that would be a lot of use! |
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| 20:48.15 | irvined_ | whats the difference between divx and mpeg4? |
| 20:49.10 | Leeds | I think divx was original a hackup-up version of the MS MPEG4 codec |
| 20:49.28 | pawel | true. |
| 20:51.08 | Leeds | but I don't know how much it's diverged since |
| 20:54.37 | pawel | no idea. :) |
| 20:54.41 | atrazine | well, it has a legal version of mpeg4 now |
| 20:54.48 | atrazine | hence it's no longer free |
| 21:00.08 | Leeds | xvid? |
| 21:09.46 | irvined_ | cool, i thought it was more or less the same |
| 21:27.42 | JD | skugg: yes |
| 21:27.52 | skugg | JD, good. |
| 21:27.59 | skugg | mtdpu |
| 21:28.02 | JD | now many not be the best time to talk about packaging |
| 21:28.07 | skugg | hrm. that was not me. |
| 21:28.09 | skugg | :) |
| 21:28.18 | JD | was it not? |
| 21:28.22 | skugg | JD, i've managed most of what I wanted. |
| 21:28.28 | skugg | yes, it was. |
| 21:28.39 | skugg | you going to fosdem, btw? |
| 21:29.20 | JD | erm not sure. looks like I can't get the fridya off |
| 21:29.39 | JD | so I have to work out how I;m going to et here? |
| 21:29.45 | JD | right I;ve got to go |
| 21:29.48 | skugg | hmm. take a late train? |
| 21:29.56 | skugg | JD, ah, ok. catch you later. |
| 21:30.04 | JD | probably, but I may not get to brussels until 11pm |
| 21:30.18 | skugg | bummer. |
| 21:30.24 | JD | plus I would like ot travel with someone |
| 21:30.31 | JD | don't fcny travelling alone |
| 21:30.35 | JD | right bye |
| 21:30.38 | skugg | yeah, that's always nice. |
| 21:34.12 | wethrin | skugg: 1042 train out to FOSDEM? |
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| 21:35.53 | murb | wethrin: I think i'll get that train. |
| 21:38.41 | wethrin | Excellent :) |
| 21:39.38 | skugg | wethrin, probably the 12:* one. |
| 21:39.54 | murb | skugg: that one is more expensive... |
| 21:40.04 | skugg | murb, really? |
| 21:40.11 | skugg | hm. how much more? |
| 21:40.21 | murb | 39 quid instead of 29 quid. |
| 21:40.25 | murb | i think. |
| 21:40.41 | murb | I'll book my train when i know what I'm doing the weekafter. |
| 21:42.37 | wethrin | There is no £29.50 any more. |
| 21:42.40 | wethrin | As of yesterday |
| 21:42.55 | wethrin | Was talking to Dom about Eurostar fairs, so was on their website |
| 21:44.36 | murb | bugger. |
| 21:45.19 | wethrin | Yes |
| 21:45.43 | skugg | ah. |
| 21:45.45 | skugg | damn. |
| 21:46.03 | wethrin | Oh, and that's approximately each way, too. |
| 21:47.45 | murb | maybe i won't go then. |
| 21:49.38 | murb | it is 66 quid to fly to Chareloi from Stansted |
| 21:51.46 | murb | 77 quid from LHR |
| 21:51.52 | murb | with proper airline |
| 21:52.27 | wethrin | That's not too bad |
| 21:53.00 | murb | it is cheaper to fly. |
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| 21:54.04 | Marios_ | hello everybody |
| 21:54.27 | wethrin | hello |
| 21:54.50 | wethrin | murb: a) Not by much, and b) I still get a discount |
| 22:00.19 | Marios_ | I am freezing over here |
| 22:00.25 | murb | LHR are 67.20 |
| 22:00.47 | murb | from even. |
| 22:06.40 | evangineer | highbury: I hope you've taken murb's caveats on board! |
| 22:09.50 | highbury | as much as I ever do |
| 22:17.02 | wethrin | Hm. That's not bad. |
| 22:18.57 | wethrin | Hm. I think an investment in wireless broadcast repeaters and signal boosters might be worthwhile |
| 22:20.05 | evangineer | wethrin: care to elaborate? |
| 22:21.08 | wethrin | TV aerial from outside into box. Box is transmitter/receiver/signal booster. |
| 22:21.19 | wethrin | You can get them from Homebase, IIRC |
| 22:22.49 | evangineer | I've had thoughts about a similar setup to use with my cable STB. |
| 22:23.33 | evangineer | Would be nice to view the occasional bit of TV on my machines, while doing other things. |
| 22:26.23 | evangineer | I saw something like that at Maplins, I think. A set including a pair of boxes, one connects to the TV/STB and transmits the signal, the other is the receiver which you connect to your PC. Included a remote control that you could operate while sitting at your PC wherever in the house that might be. |
| 22:26.59 | pawel | wow. tuxracer is really fun. :) |
| 22:28.56 | wethrin | evangineer: Yep. That's pretty much it. |
| 22:29.23 | wethrin | I might have a look at Maplins on Monday |
| 22:45.18 | Leeds | and HTTP control of the TiVo for changing channels and stuff :-) |
| 22:47.19 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:49.58 | pawel | 10 years of doom. |
| 22:50.04 | wethrin | Mmm. Doom. |
| 22:50.09 | Leeds | we're all doomed! |
| 22:50.28 | wethrin | Leeds: It's easy when you live alone. I'd just have the TV aerial going directly to computer then |
| 22:51.50 | Leeds | I have sky->tivo->(TV in living room, PC in bedroom) |
| 22:53.58 | wethrin | Wireless++ |
| 22:54.37 | evangineer | pawel: a more significant landmark as far as I'm concerned was the tenth anniversary of slackware last year. |
| 22:55.21 | evangineer | wethrin: indeed |
| 22:57.00 | Leeds | pity Red Hat Linux will never reach 10 years... |
| 22:57.50 | Leeds | I'm sure Novell Linux will though :-P |
| 22:58.02 | wethrin | There will be a 10-year anniversary of RedHat Linux |
| 22:58.10 | wethrin | (Mother's Day release) |
| 22:58.11 | pawel | my first Linux was a RH4.2. |
| 22:58.28 | Leeds | wethrin: but... there's no RedHat Linux anymore |
| 22:58.44 | Leeds | pawel: mine was a slackware :-) |
| 23:00.11 | Leeds | heh http://web.zdnet.com.au/builder/program/unix/story/0,2000034968,20282774-1,00.htm |
| 23:00.30 | wethrin | People still celebrate centenaries, etc. of people/events, even though the events have long passed, or the people are dead |
| 23:00.52 | Leeds | oh, true... but it's 10 years *since*, not 10 years *of* |
| 23:01.43 | evangineer | my first linux was debian 2.1 or thereabouts, but I never stuck with it. I dabbled with OpenBSD 2.7, but I've been a committed user of linux since slackware 8.1 |
| 23:03.15 | Leeds | I can't remember the actual version of my first slackware - but it was almost exactly 8 years ago and came with a 1.2.13 kernel... :-) |
| 23:03.16 | wethrin | 10 years of RedHat :) |
| 23:03.49 | Leeds | ftp.slackware.com only goes back as far as 3.3 which had a 2.0 kernel... |
| 23:05.05 | evangineer | Leeds: so you were a Slackware 3.0 user then? |
| 23:05.33 | evangineer | http://www.jeepster.org.uk/history.html |
| 23:05.46 | wethrin | Hm. I think I had 3.1 or 3.2. Which came with a 2.0.30 kernel. |
| 23:05.53 | wethrin | 20.0.31 was the first one with IDE-SCSI support |
| 23:06.58 | evangineer | 3.0 had a 1.2.13 kernel and came out in September 1995 |
| 23:08.00 | Leeds | evangineer: yeah, that sounds about right |
| 23:08.04 | JD | hi |
| 23:08.36 | evangineer | 3.2/3.3/3.4 all had the 2.0.30 kernel according to the unofficial history |
| 23:08.40 | evangineer | hi JD |
| 23:15.22 | highbury | I started with SLS |
| 23:21.21 | evangineer | highbury: we are not worthy! |
| 23:21.23 | JD | blimey |
| 23:21.36 | wethrin | I started with Linux FT |
| 23:22.08 | JD | I started with RH5.0 |
| 23:22.13 | highbury | it started with downloading around 30+ floppy disks |
| 23:22.52 | wethrin | Ovewr a 2400 baud modem? |
| 23:26.30 | evangineer | This page has an interesting tidbit on Linux FT http://www.linux.com/howtos/CD-Distributions-EN-HOWTO/iv-historical.shtml |
| 23:27.10 | evangineer | It alleges that the NT Posix subsystem might contain code from Linux |
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| 23:27.23 | riis | hey |
| 23:27.34 | evangineer | If so, then there is surely a breach of the GPL there. |
| 23:27.37 | wethrin | hi riis |
| 23:27.40 | evangineer | hi riis |
| 23:27.59 | wethrin | Right. Unless Linux took the code from a BSD. |
| 23:28.02 | wethrin | Which is more likely |
| 23:28.26 | riis | I was wondering if any of you could point me to a UK hardware shop (online), I'm lookibng for the sharp actius mm10 and would like a pricecheck on it, I'm from Denmark btw... |
| 23:28.56 | wethrin | www.dabs.com |
| 23:29.04 | evangineer | www.scan.co.uk |
| 23:29.23 | evangineer | www.ebuyer.com |
| 23:30.00 | evangineer | which city is that, riis? |
| 23:30.19 | riis | Aalborg |
| 23:30.26 | riis | north country |
| 23:30.36 | wethrin | It's easy enough to set one up. |
| 23:30.36 | evangineer | wethrin: that's not implausible. |
| 23:30.40 | riis | 4th biggest city in DK |
| 23:30.57 | wethrin | We have an informal LUG where I'm near. |
| 23:31.31 | evangineer | Microsoft's Windows Services for Unix product uses OpenBSD 3.0 code |
| 23:32.07 | wethrin | Well, good. At least they might have fewer security holes |
| 23:33.22 | riis | yeah well there's a northern jutland LUG, but nothing ever happens in it. Maybe if i get the time (can't get much more time than now though) I should start doing something... |
| 23:33.32 | evangineer | Yes, all they have to do is get rid of the Win32 api and finish the move to managed code. |
| 23:33.42 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:33.44 | riis | none of the sites have any sharp products.... : ( |
| 23:37.20 | evangineer | riis: I'm not surprised, sharp doesn't distribute computers in the uk. |
| 23:38.10 | evangineer | for that sort of thing, you need to deal with expensive specialist importers like dynamism.com or try ebay. |
| 23:39.16 | riis | hmm, I'm sure I've seen the product on some UK site......oh well, I just certainly don't want to buy it all the way from the US, anybody know some German hardware sites with english for language : ) |
| 23:41.52 | riis | What is up with this continent, why are we incapable of importing Sharp goodies? |
| 23:42.37 | riis | I'm gonna write Sharp denmark and ask if they can get me one of these babies... (not that I have the money right now) |
| 23:42.51 | wethrin | It's Health & Safety. They only want to sell blunt things now. |
| 23:43.42 | riis | ha |
| 23:44.07 | evangineer | A lot of the most interesting Japanese products never get sold abroad. |
| 23:44.16 | riis | what if I promise to wrap all the edges.... : ) |
| 23:44.34 | evangineer | That's why dynamism.com has a thriving business. |
| 23:44.35 | riis | damn these reluctant hardware resellers.....! |
| 23:45.43 | evangineer | Look at http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/ , would they even exist if this wasn't the case? |
| 23:47.03 | evangineer | If someone knows a sugar daddy with lots of spare cash, maybe we could setup a specialist import firm of our own! |
| 23:48.10 | riis | Sharp Denmarks e-mail address seems to be info@send.sharp-eu.com, now does that mean I should send my questions in English.....damn Sharp.... |
| 23:48.23 | riis | that would be nice..... |
| 23:50.40 | evangineer | What would be neat, would be to import some of the fancier Asia-only cellphones but then you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get the things approved to use on British cellphone networks. |
| 23:52.41 | evangineer | Regulation can be a pain in the neck sometimes. Thank god, the Internet is lightly regulated, with the exception of things like RIPA EUCD and DMCA |
| 23:53.04 | Leeds | riis: BTW, I like www.aria.co.uk |
| 23:53.24 | Leeds | ah, oh... it's a computer... |
