| 00:02.04 | *** join/#gllug SpudULike (~colin@82-35-32-164.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:03.36 | Leeds | hey SpudULike |
| 00:03.46 | SpudULike | Hi |
| 00:07.19 | wethrin | 'lo Spud |
| 00:08.29 | wethrin | Who wants to go and see the Now Show? |
| 00:09.51 | Leeds | ooh |
| 00:10.10 | wethrin | Thursday evenings |
| 00:10.15 | wethrin | In March and April |
| 00:10.29 | Leeds | ooh |
| 00:11.10 | wethrin | Be you interested? |
| 00:11.14 | SpudULike | Surely by then it'll be the Then Show? |
| 00:11.26 | Leeds | 8th April no good for me... |
| 00:11.43 | wethrin | I was thinking of going to some of the March ones. |
| 00:11.48 | Leeds | ooh |
| 00:11.48 | Leeds | :-) |
| 00:11.48 | wethrin | That's still Uni-time for me |
| 00:12.29 | Leeds | yes please, Mr. wethrin :-) |
| 00:12.29 | wethrin | Okay :) |
| 00:12.29 | wethrin | Colin? |
| 00:12.55 | Leeds | and we like the Drill Hall - easy to get to... |
| 00:13.17 | SpudULike | Thursday's are a bad night. Best I say no for now, and try to pick up any returns if I can go. |
| 00:13.26 | wethrin | And Parsons & Naylor are on the Wednesday before |
| 00:13.40 | riis | well, getting late, thanks for all your help, and good night... |
| 00:13.53 | SpudULike | T'wer only the other way around! |
| 00:13.53 | Leeds | riis: night |
| 00:13.59 | wethrin | night riis |
| 00:14.06 | wethrin | SpudULike: Aye, but it ain't |
| 00:14.41 | SpudULike | Alas, it is the truth you speak. |
| 00:16.17 | wethrin | It's new2unix and stephen that are the other regulars, aren't they? |
| 00:16.22 | SpudULike | I think the radio-goer list might be too far removed from GLLUG business to warrant a list of it's own, but does form a nice sub-set of the social list so far. |
| 00:16.51 | SpudULike | Err, though that's not even what you were implying. |
| 00:17.04 | wethrin | Yes. The social list is supposed to take care of all social needs. It's not that hard to ignore messages you're not interested in |
| 00:20.30 | Leeds | as long as it's not just 'pub tonight somewhere in town' |
| 00:20.45 | wethrin | Leeds: It won't be just that. |
| 00:20.58 | wethrin | Although some messages will be. |
| 00:21.36 | Leeds | bloody hell that thing sends mail quickly... Jason++ ;-) |
| 00:21.56 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:28.22 | Leeds | hmm... Sim City reference on They Think It's All Over |
| 00:29.00 | wethrin | Was it that bad? :) |
| 00:29.09 | rhowe | heh |
| 00:29.12 | Leeds | and William? |
| 00:29.19 | rhowe | Leeds: Nah, just Cope |
| 00:29.32 | evangineer | rhowe: count your body parts! |
| 00:29.41 | rhowe | Leeds: No Hui or William, although he was subjected to constant 'phone calls |
| 00:29.51 | rhowe | evangineer: I can't feel anything... too.. cold.. |
| 00:30.06 | Leeds | heh |
| 00:30.14 | rhowe | Look what London's done to me.. |
| 00:30.18 | evangineer | rhowe: that'll be the loss of blood then! |
| 00:30.29 | rhowe | This would've been shorts and t-shirt weather up in Manchester |
| 00:30.40 | Leeds | rhowe: bah... wimpy Mancs |
| 00:30.40 | rhowe | I even wore a coat tonight! |
| 00:31.09 | Cope | `/me waves. |
| 00:31.55 | wethrin | Anyone here interested in going to hear Dvorak's 9th Symphony on Tuesday, or Mahler#1 on Sunday? |
| 00:32.18 | Leeds | too cultural for me |
| 00:32.19 | Cope | wethrin: Mahler 1 sounds good, DV 9 is over done. |
| 00:32.29 | rhowe | Cope: I even managed to pick the right bus stop |
| 00:32.37 | Cope | rhowe: ace! |
| 00:32.45 | rhowe | Cope: At least.. I think I did |
| 00:32.50 | Cope | rhowe |
| 00:33.11 | rhowe | wethrin: Sitting down listening to music isn't my thing, I'm afraid |
| 00:33.18 | Cope | rhowe: well unless you're using someone else's net connection, and they're being vey understanding.... |
| 00:33.22 | rhowe | wethrin: Unless they provide laptops and a WAP |
| 00:33.33 | rhowe | Cope++ |
| 00:33.45 | Cope | rhowe+ |
| 00:33.49 | Cope | okay... |
| 00:33.52 | Cope | rhowe++ |
| 00:33.59 | rhowe | heh, that was a bit freaky :P |
| 00:34.06 | *** part/#gllug skugg (~stig@braut.plus.com) |
| 00:34.23 | wethrin | He. |
| 00:34.27 | wethrin | heh |
| 00:34.31 | Cope | wethrin: who is Chris who rhowe might have met at the last pub meet? |
| 00:34.41 | wethrin | Friend of murb's |
| 00:34.48 | Cope | wethrin: i see |
| 00:35.33 | Cope | lol |
| 00:35.37 | Cope | hi leeds |
| 00:35.44 | Leeds | morning Cope :-) |
| 00:36.01 | evangineer | FAST threatens jail for 'misusing software' |
| 00:36.22 | evangineer | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/34948.html |
| 00:36.52 | Cope | HUI threatens Cope with sleeping on floor for coming home stinking of beer and kebabs. |
| 00:37.16 | Leeds | quite right too |
| 00:37.22 | rhowe | Cope: heh |
| 00:37.33 | rhowe | Cope: Know any smoke-free pubs? |
| 00:37.33 | Leeds | quite right too |
| 00:37.54 | Leeds | rhowe: there are apparently an increasing number... but I don't actually know of any |
| 00:38.05 | Cope | rhowe: the one we were in the the least smokey that I know.. |
| 00:38.46 | murb | Leeds: do they tend to be acutally pubs you'd want to go to? |
| 00:39.03 | Leeds | murb: no idea - I've never been to one in the UK, AFAIK |
| 00:39.07 | rhowe | murb: Indeed. The next question was going to be "are they any good?" |
| 00:39.45 | murb | I'm murble or bill, not william at the moment. |
| 00:39.54 | Cope | Ah ok. |
| 00:40.07 | Marios_ | does anybody here knows how to deliver java applications using Java Web Start ? |
| 00:40.10 | Cope | rhowe: woo |
| 00:40.17 | Cope | Marios: No |
| 00:40.26 | Leeds | Marios_: isn't it just a meta-data file? |
| 00:40.38 | Marios_ | well it is an html file... |
| 00:41.37 | Marios_ | but I don't know how to make it point to my application |
| 00:41.37 | Cope | Marios_ rtfm |
| 00:41.37 | Marios_ | I am trying to find it... |
| 00:41.39 | Cope | Marios_ only joking :o) |
| 00:41.40 | Marios_ | any other ideas how to deliver a Java program? |
| 00:41.49 | Cope | Marios_ by courier? |
| 00:41.53 | Marios_ | lol |
| 00:41.57 | Marios_ | yeah Royal Mail |
| 00:41.58 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 00:42.24 | rhowe | Cope: .hk is 00852, not 00832, btw :) |
| 00:42.53 | Cope | rhowe: Well, we were both close.. and 00832 is ok for someone who doesn't phone hk everyday |
| 00:43.06 | rhowe | it was me who said 832 :P |
| 00:43.23 | Cope | rhowe: no, you said 00823 which isn't even close |
| 00:43.29 | evangineer | Marios_: this any help? http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-2001/jw-0706-webstart_p.html |
| 00:43.31 | rhowe | lol |
| 00:44.20 | Marios_ | let me check it |
| 00:44.33 | rhowe | OK, Sarah's mostly asleep |
| 00:45.49 | wethrin | Cope: So, you up for next Sunday at Royal Festival Hall? Tickets start from £6.... |
| 00:46.19 | Cope | wethrin: sounds great - I'll check with Da Boss - but in princpple, yes. |
| 00:46.42 | wethrin | Right. Well, if you let me know ASAP I can go down and try and get tickets |
| 00:47.12 | evangineer | Marios_: This should help http://lopica.sourceforge.net/faq.html |
| 00:47.44 | evangineer | Marios_: is this for work or hobby? |
| 00:49.15 | wethrin | Is Dvorak Violin Concerto any good? |
| 00:50.20 | Cope | wethrin: not very |
| 00:50.30 | wethrin | Oh |
| 00:50.44 | Cope | wethrin: I saw it conducted by my all time hero - so it was ok then. |
| 00:51.12 | wethrin | OH YES. Beethoven1 *and* Shostakovich1. In the same concert. |
| 00:51.14 | Cope | wethrin: but conducted by a mere mortal, its a bit prosaic. |
| 00:51.21 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:51.28 | Cope | wethrin: mmmm shostakovich |
| 00:51.53 | wethrin | Yes. And mmmm Beethoven |
| 00:52.39 | wethrin | And another one the Tuesday after. |
| 00:54.38 | evangineer | Hmm - spamassasin 2.62 has just come out. 2.61 must have been as pretty buggy, looking at the list of bug fixes. |
| 00:54.39 | wethrin | evangineer: Yes, I thought it was. |
| 00:54.47 | wethrin | Right. That's my task for tomorrow, then. Nice upgrade :) |
| 00:55.24 | highbury | number of bug's fixed isn't necessarily a measure of how useless a previous release is |
| 00:55.31 | Cope | hi ghbury |
| 00:55.54 | wethrin | highbury: Yes, but I felt that 2.61 let through more spam than 2.60 |
| 00:56.17 | Marios_ | evangineer << work |
| 00:56.48 | highbury | oops, I'm running SUSE's latest ... 2.55 :-( |
| 00:56.59 | evangineer | Marios_: making any progress? |
| 00:59.04 | rhowe | "Nokia to release Perl for smartphones" hm.. |
| 00:59.04 | highbury | anybody go to Lonix? Was the Novell guys talk any good? |
| 00:59.16 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 00:59.31 | wethrin | As if phones weren't slow enough... |
| 00:59.38 | evangineer | rhowe: saw that story, don't know what to make of it. |
| 01:00.26 | rhowe | evangineer: Still readingit |
| 01:00.39 | evangineer | If they were talking Python or Scheme, I'd be up for it! |
| 01:01.57 | evangineer | I suppose they are trying to increase the developer appeal. |
| 01:02.47 | evangineer | If so, they would be better off porting PHP if popularity is the issue. |
| 01:03.26 | evangineer | OTOH, there are a lot of clever perlmongers around. |
| 01:04.59 | evangineer | I was impressed by the amount of money that mobimate must be making. |
| 01:05.57 | wethrin | Ooh: |
| 01:06.10 | wethrin | The world premiere of Purgatorio featuring a blend of classical choral parts, orchestral sounds and modern electronica to a screening of a specially restored 1911 silent film epic Dante\x{00B9}s Inferno. |
| 01:07.06 | evangineer | wethrin: that sounds vaguely interesting |
| 01:07.53 | Cope | wethrin: sound pretentious, and probably shite. |
| 01:08.23 | wethrin | Maybe, maybe not. :) |
| 01:08.28 | wethrin | I thought it sounded interesting |
| 01:08.42 | Cope | yeah - definitely worth a go |
| 01:09.00 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:09.34 | Cope | I see |
| 01:11.05 | evangineer | They have a story about anti-counterfeiting measures that are now implemented in commercial software like Photoshop and Paintshop. |
| 01:11.55 | evangineer | The article on advogato apparently speculates on what will happen when free software is targetted. |
| 01:13.36 | evangineer | I haven't read the story but any such measures could only work by either making software like the GIMP and SANE closed source or by banning it altogether. |
| 01:14.11 | wethrin | Anti-counterfeiting? |
| 01:14.33 | wethrin | So you can't draw your own £10 notes any more? :) |
| 01:15.48 | evangineer | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13539 |
| 01:18.13 | evangineer | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13554 |
| 01:18.29 | Cope | http://random.link.net/-ENOINTRODUCTION |
| 01:18.46 | evangineer | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13528 |
| 01:18.52 | Cope | http://random.link.net/-ENOINTRODUCTION2 |
| 01:19.45 | evangineer | Cope: those links aren't working for me. |
| 01:20.10 | Cope | evangineer: gah - are you using windows? |
| 01:21.20 | evangineer | I'm using slackware of course. |
| 01:21.51 | evangineer | an abstract of the advogato article http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2004-01-17-010-26-OP-SW |
| 01:22.34 | evangineer | let me check whether the name resolves |
| 01:23.29 | evangineer | random.link.net definitely isn't resolving. |
| 01:24.17 | evangineer | link.net does though. |
| 01:30.21 | wethrin | Bedtime :) |
| 01:30.22 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 01:30.31 | Cope | nn weyhrin |
| 01:30.36 | Cope | wethrin too |
| 01:30.39 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:32.01 | rhowe | 'night, Dan |
| 01:34.55 | evangineer | nn wethrin |
| 01:35.37 | evangineer | dig is returning NXERROR for random.link.net. |
| 01:36.10 | evangineer | It does it on my machine and on a remote host owned by a friend of ours |
| 01:37.32 | evangineer | so both NTL and Telewest can't resolve that name. |
| 01:39.35 | evangineer | ? |
| 01:39.42 | evangineer | Am I missing something? |
| 01:41.31 | evangineer | nn murb |
| 01:41.32 | Cope | pawel: any good? |
| 01:41.41 | Cope | murb: sleep well |
| 01:42.19 | pawel | Cope, dark comedy(?), horror including canibalizm. |
| 01:42.31 | Cope | pawel: cf hotel? |
| 01:42.59 | Leeds | delicatessen? |
| 01:43.24 | Cope | Leeds: have you seen 'Hotel'? |
| 01:44.01 | Leeds | don't think so, no |
| 01:44.31 | Cope | Leeds: grim, canibalism set in pretext of gothic movie filming |
| 01:44.44 | evangineer | sorry, that wasn't NXERROR, it was NXDOMAIN. |
| 01:44.57 | pawel | no idea, I lose first minutes of the movie. |
| 01:45.35 | Leeds | the film is apparently called Ravenous - which makes sense... |
| 01:45.58 | Cope | Leeds: hmm? which one? |
| 01:46.10 | Leeds | the film which just finished or so on BBC2 |
| 01:46.32 | pawel | Leeds, but I will eat a cheese today only. |
| 01:46.40 | Leeds | heh |
| 01:46.40 | evangineer | Cope: I do believe you were having me on! |
| 01:47.39 | Cope | Leeds: Hotel: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278487/ |
| 01:47.41 | Leeds | Cope: you are a silly person |
| 01:48.23 | Leeds | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129332/ |
| 01:49.07 | Leeds | Big Friendly Giant? |
| 01:49.07 | Cope | hmm - is this based on heart of darkness? |
| 01:49.13 | pawel | Leeds, 8-) |
| 01:49.35 | evangineer | I can't tell if the thunderbolt hit the target. |
| 01:49.48 | Cope | pawel: what value is ) given? |
| 01:51.23 | Cope | Leeds - Mike in Neighbours? |
| 01:51.25 | evangineer | hmm - Cope is still on IRC so the thunderbolt must have missed |
| 01:51.28 | Leeds | Cope: indeed |
| 01:51.33 | pawel | Cope, maximal. |
| 01:52.02 | Cope | evangineer: you did wipe out a lot of Irish people, though. |
| 01:52.41 | evangineer | Cope: that was a warning shot! |
| 01:52.57 | Leeds | Cope: aimed for kilburn, hit Dublin? |
| 01:53.41 | Cope | Leeds: ever been to Kilburn? Apart from coming to see me? |
| 01:53.48 | pawel | chronium is quite nice. |
| 01:53.50 | pawel | :) |
| 01:53.59 | Leeds | Cope: sure... |
| 01:54.13 | Cope | pawel: Do lots of Irish people live there? |
| 01:54.37 | Cope | Leeds: Probably as many Irsh people in Lilburn ad in Dublin |
| 01:54.55 | Cope | Leeds - without the rubbish typing |
| 01:55.03 | pawel | Cope, I hope not. this is an acrade game. :) |
| 01:55.36 | pawel | open source arcade game. :) |
| 02:06.53 | pawel | hm, I have only S3 Virge GX 4MB card inside my computer and it's lovely, I'm plying now in Quake 3 and rest of GL working doing a 2GHz processor and its work fast. :) |
| 02:08.17 | pawel | Cope, I should corect this situation. :) |
| 02:08.30 | pawel | s/corect/correct/ |
| 02:09.33 | pawel | anyway, I'm not talking about game, but about what open source, linux and xfree86 are giving me. |
| 02:10.05 | Cope | pawel: More importantly - what are you giving back? |
| 02:10.53 | pawel | I don't need a 3D card. :) |
| 02:12.38 | pawel | I can use power of my processor and move a rendering job from graphic card. |
| 02:12.41 | Cope | pawel: More importantly - what are you giving back? |
| 02:12.57 | rhowe | Cope: 1 No. user :P |
| 02:13.16 | Leeds | rhowe: and what are *you* giving back? |
| 02:13.27 | rhowe | Leeds: 1 more No. user :) |
| 02:13.51 | rhowe | Leeds: Oh and I give out anime.. |
| 02:14.04 | Leeds | how is giving out anime good for Linux? |
| 02:14.05 | JD | night |
| 02:14.11 | Leeds | night JD |
| 02:14.21 | rhowe | Leeds: I never said what I gave back helped any :) |
| 02:15.02 | Leeds | :-) |
| 02:15.39 | rhowe | Leeds: Actually I enhanced some scripts, but never announced them outside of Undernet #ipsec :) |
| 02:15.48 | Cope | rhowe: and they broke |
| 02:15.55 | rhowe | Cope: Not yet, it would seem |
| 02:16.48 | rhowe | And the answer is no :) |
| 02:17.10 | Marios_ | evangineer << It worked fine... |
| 02:17.12 | Cope | rhowe: like your zero load freeBSD server |
| 02:17.14 | rhowe | So they couldn't break anything, since I am the only user, and they were announced as Works For Me(tm) |
| 02:17.18 | rhowe | Cope: Indeed |
| 02:17.34 | evangineer | Marios_: So what did you need to do to fix it? |
| 02:17.34 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.44 | rhowe | Ignoring the fact that it isn't 3:42pm |
| 02:18.18 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.24 | rhowe | That'd be the Linux firewall :) |
| 02:18.29 | Marios_ | I just found on google instructions to make an executable jar file...and how to write an xml and html file for the webstart |
| 02:18.52 | rhowe | Marios_: Well the former isn't so bad.. just set a Main-Class in the manifest |
| 02:19.04 | rhowe | Marios_: And the JNLP stuff shouldn't be too bad |
| 02:19.36 | Marios_ | usulally I was giving to clients Java programs in just .java cause they new how to compile and stuff |
| 02:20.11 | evangineer | Fair enough, but for deployment things need to be properly packaged |
| 02:20.14 | Marios_ | now I have a client who needs the fork right next his plate with the food to eat |
| 02:20.25 | rhowe | Marios_: Ah, then JNLP good :) |
| 02:20.31 | Marios_ | exactly |
| 02:20.43 | Marios_ | so WebStart will work fairly easy for him |
| 02:20.54 | evangineer | jars for client-side apps |
| 02:21.04 | evangineer | wars for webapps |
| 02:21.08 | rhowe | Wonderful combination |
| 02:21.11 | evangineer | ears for enterprise apps |
| 02:21.31 | Cope | rars for defiant apps. |
| 02:21.38 | Leeds | nose for mobile apps? |
| 02:21.51 | Marios_ | lol |
| 02:22.01 | evangineer | Can you point me to the JSRs for those? ;-) |
| 02:22.16 | Cope | Leeds: have you had a shave? |
| 02:22.31 | Marios_ | Leeds<< consider a shave as well |
| 02:22.33 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 02:22.49 | Leeds | yes, I intend to have a shave as well :-) |
| 02:23.31 | Marios_ | goodnight guys !!! c ya tomorrow |
| 02:23.52 | evangineer | nn Marios_ |
| 02:23.53 | Leeds | night Marios_ |
| 02:25.52 | rhowe | Cope: hrm, not especially |
| 02:26.13 | Cope | ok |
| 02:26.34 | rhowe | Cope: Though I guess Hui gets the deciding vote :) |
| 02:26.50 | Cope | rhowe: she's gone to sleep again. |
| 02:27.11 | rhowe | Cope: Then you should give more serious consideration to bed |
| 02:27.52 | rhowe | bed evaluates to true |
| 02:28.58 | rhowe | hm, if I'm going to be at Holborn for 10am, I'd best sleep |
| 02:29.26 | Cope | ibot tell rhowe about sleep |
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| 02:30.11 | Cope | Leeds_mac: go to sleep |
| 02:31.11 | Leeds_mac | sort of |
| 02:31.36 | rhowe | ibot tell cope I need to be awake enough to compare diamonds, about which I know little |
| 02:32.06 | Leeds_mac | rhowe: get a natural one or she'll never forgive you :-) |
| 02:32.52 | rhowe | Leeds_mac: heh |
| 02:33.12 | rhowe | Leeds_mac: I was reading the site as I was on the phone to her, pasting her bits |
| 02:33.19 | rhowe | Leeds_mac: She wasn't much impressed |
| 02:33.33 | Leeds_mac | I don't really want to know what you were doing with her bits! |
| 02:34.20 | rhowe | her bits? |
| 02:34.26 | rhowe | ah :) |
| 02:34.49 | Cope | right... bed. |
| 02:34.55 | rhowe | 'night, Cope |
| 02:35.59 | Leeds_mac | night Cope :-) |
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| 02:37.07 | Leeds_mac | VNC++ |
| 02:39.42 | rhowe | Cope leans a valuable lesson... |
| 02:39.53 | rhowe | 02:37 -!- mode/#linux [+b *|*!*@*] by HellHound |
| 02:39.53 | rhowe | 02:37 -!- Cope|Bed was kicked from #linux by HellHound [banned: Lame character in |
| 02:39.53 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:44.29 | Leeds_mac | well that's rude |
| 02:49.27 | atrazine | ah #linux, home of the lame and pedantic |
| 02:49.49 | Cope|Bed | rhowe: not exactly. |
| 02:50.07 | rhowe | Cope|Bed: I said they banned on non-alphanumeric chars :) |
| 02:50.19 | rhowe | atrazine: Especially on Undernet :) |
| 02:50.42 | Cope|Bed | rhowe: about 7 hours earlier - and hardly in context. |
| 02:50.56 | atrazine | haha, undernet, home of the morons and the packet kids |
| 02:51.24 | rhowe | atrazine: We try and stem the tide somewhat |
| 02:52.18 | atrazine | hl, I rememember a few weeks ago when undernet almost choked under the tide of 'girlbots' |
| 02:52.34 | rhowe | atrazine: yeah, I noticed that too |
| 02:55.06 | atrazine | of course I only brought that up so that I could brag about writing the advisory |
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| 07:43.39 | new2unix | moin all |
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| 08:37.52 | zachary | moin |
| 08:45.40 | Cope|Bed | morning |
| 08:57.20 | new2unix | moin :) |
| 09:12.24 | SpudULike | new2unix: Will you have a firm idea about FOSDEM by the 21st Jan.? |
| 09:17.51 | new2unix | SpudULike: sure. i'll be sorting out my ticket and updating my info on the wiki on Monday :) |
| 09:19.03 | SpudULike | You doing coach or train? |
| 09:19.09 | Cope | SpudULike: any hot tips on alternatives to Sainsbury/Waitrose for obtaining of organic veg? |
| 09:19.27 | new2unix | SpudULike: coach on the Thursday :) |
| 09:20.22 | SpudULike | Cope: Farmers Market near(ish) Baker Street today. |
| 09:21.23 | Cope | SpudULike: gah - this requires buses = 4 quid extra. |
| 09:24.16 | SpudULike | Cope: For two this is true. I can't think of anything more local, apart from the Farmers Market in O2 car park on Tues (or is it Wed). |
| 09:25.14 | Cope | SpudULike: ok :o) |
| 09:30.03 | SpudULike | <cough> I was called away to a potty training moment, and me nearly forty! |
| 09:30.59 | SpudULike | new2unix: 9.30pm coach? Good stuff. |
| 09:31.37 | new2unix | SpudULike: absolutely :) |
| 09:34.13 | SpudULike | I'm holding back to the last minute to book. I have a feeling that some special offer will be introduced. |
| 09:34.53 | new2unix | SpudULike: i thought you already had your coach ticket purchased? |
| 09:34.58 | SpudULike | Last year was £10 cheaper. |
| 09:38.40 | zachary | SpudULike: Did you leave the seat in the wc up? |
| 09:39.25 | SpudULike | What coach are you coming back on? I was planning on the 22.45, but then I have the Monday booked off. |
| 09:40.41 | SpudULike | zachary: wc seat up? No! The surprised look on the child's face hold no entertainment for me. Now that is!!! |
| 09:41.51 | new2unix | SpudULike: I have to be in London and at my desk for 0930hrs no matter what. |
| 09:50.07 | SpudULike | You would be 'unlucky' not to be at your desk by then. |
| 09:52.52 | SpudULike | Is it just me or are there really no .isos in ftp://ftp.sunsite.org.uk/package/slackware/slackware-9.1-iso |
| 09:53.12 | zachary | SpudULike: Have you used Smoothwall on Blueyonder? |
| 09:54.52 | SpudULike | No, but I keep meaning to. Why, you having problems? |
| 09:56.17 | zachary | No, I was talking to someone about implementing a firewall. He has a few macs he wants to network together and was looking at some of the four port dsl routers at pcworld. |
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| 10:06.58 | SpudULike | Hmm, not sure you would want/need a dsl router with Blueyonder. They provide cable internet, doesn't that need a different type of modem? |
| 10:07.36 | Leeds | yes, it does |
| 10:08.05 | Leeds | but (coming in in the middle of the conversation) it depends on what you mean by DSL router |
| 10:09.03 | Leeds | unless it explicitly includes a DSL modem, they are often just small routers designed to route through a separate DSL modem, doing NAT and so on |
| 10:10.20 | SpudULike | <zachary> SpudULike: Have you used Smoothwall on Blueyonder? |
| 10:10.20 | SpudULike | <SpudULike> No, but I keep meaning to. Why, you having problems? |
| 10:10.22 | SpudULike | <zachary> No, I was talking to someone about implementing a firewall. He has a few macs he wants to network together and was looking at some of the four port dsl routers at pcworld. |
| 10:10.46 | Leeds | thanks :-) |
| 10:14.00 | Leeds | bummer... |
| 10:16.50 | zachary | SpudULike: He wanted to ensure mac compatability. Most of the consumer routers are web based. But I recomended the netgear cable/dsl router. Since it does work with safari. |
| 10:23.39 | SpudULike | I've started to think about food on the Saturday night for FOSDEM - http://wiki.gllug.org.uk/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BudgetFosdemFood |
| 10:25.42 | JD | hmm is anyone going to fosdem on Friday night? |
| 10:26.21 | SpudULike | I will be. |
| 10:26.56 | SpudULike | JD: I mean I will be there FOR Friday night. |
| 10:27.22 | JD | SpudULike: I can't get the Friday off, so I will be getting there for about 11pm |
| 10:27.28 | JD | possibly later |
| 10:27.57 | JD | which means I will miss the first meal and most of the pub |
| 10:28.01 | JD | grrrr work |
| 10:28.08 | SpudULike | JD: Bummer! I missed last years Friday night, it wasn't the same. |
| 10:28.19 | JD | I was hoping to find someone to travel with |
| 10:31.03 | SpudULike | "Grrr work" indeed. 'Ill phone in sick for you if it helps? |
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| 10:31.58 | Nutshell | mornin all |
| 10:32.50 | SpudULike | "Sorry, Mr Pashley won't be in today, he's come down with an urgent need or foreign beer." |
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| 10:36.34 | JD | SpudULike: yes, but it will look a bit suspect, esp as I live across the road form work |
| 10:37.44 | SpudULike | JD: That's alright, I can live with the suspicion! |
| 10:40.30 | JD | yes but work may not |
| 10:43.29 | SpudULike | OK, how about I start to spread some rumours about you 'mis-appropriating' some equipment from work. By the time FOSDEM comes you may not have to worry about work? Honestly, I'll help in any way I can. |
| 10:46.01 | JD | :) |
| 10:54.58 | JD | erm can anyone remember how to evaluate a list in a scaler context in perl |
| 10:55.08 | JD | I want to get the nuber of items in @_ |
| 11:05.50 | Cope | JD: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=evaluate+a+list+in+a+scalar+context+perl&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20001025195124.5541.qmail%40plover.com&rnum=1 - any use? |
| 11:09.47 | JD | Cope: sorted it thanks |
| 11:14.53 | Leeds | why do people *still* use the 020 area code wrongly? |
| 11:17.08 | Leeds | there is no such area as 0208 |
| 11:23.50 | Cope | Leeds: thank you! |
| 11:24.19 | Cope | I thought I was the only person who found that very irritating! |
| 11:24.41 | SpudULike | Is 020 an area code. I thought that the correct use of area codes called for a 5 digit number. My area code is 02073. |
| 11:25.47 | Cope | That may address the exchange. |
| 11:26.32 | murb | Cope: stuff that mentions exchanges tends to be a bit obsolete, it only now seems to be used for billing purposes. |
| 11:27.43 | murb | which is bloody confusing. since i'm on naphill exchange which was 024024, when it got made into hw numbers went from 4 to 6 disks, the nahpill people getting 56 added on, but it now seems they've just up that block of 10000 numbers so you now get somthing else if you get a new line.. |
| 11:27.53 | SpudULike | So, what are you saying is the correct way to write my phone number 020-7383-xxxx or that used nationally, 02073-83xxxx ??? |
| 11:28.52 | SpudULike | Admittedly, my bill has the former, but seeing that's BT it counts for naught! |
| 11:29.08 | murb | +44 (0)20 7383 blah blah blah |
| 11:29.11 | Cope | I have never seen a london number written as 02073- |
| 11:31.47 | SpudULike | But numbers outside London will be written as +44 (0)1625 xxxx as an example? Why the difference? |
| 11:32.10 | Cope | because *that's* the correct area code. |
| 11:32.22 | Cope | 01794 = Romsey, Hants. 020 = London |
| 11:32.33 | Cope | 0117 = Bristol |
| 11:32.43 | murb | 0118 = horrible plcae. |
| 11:32.52 | Cope | 0141 = Glasgow - they all vary |
| 11:33.04 | Nutshell | 0161 = shit hole |
| 11:33.50 | Cope | --> shops. |
| 11:57.13 | Leeds | Nutshell: :-) |
| 11:57.53 | Nutshell | yes Leeds |
| 11:59.32 | Nutshell | ho i see |
| 12:03.06 | rhowe | Nutshell: bleh :) |
| 12:21.09 | wethrin | Mm. Free book? |
| 12:22.56 | pawel | . |
| 12:23.09 | Leeds | kelloggs |
| 12:23.28 | pawel | hi there. :) |
| 12:23.32 | wethrin | Eat cereals, get book? |
| 12:23.49 | Leeds | buy 4 boxes from a range of about 10 different cereals, get free book from a list of about 15 (list changes monthly) |
| 12:24.10 | wethrin | Ah cool. Now if only I got up a bit earlier to have time to eat cereals :) |
| 12:24.24 | wethrin | BTW, take a look at http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/ |
| 12:24.42 | Leeds | heh |
| 12:26.19 | Leeds | woo, British skiers doing well today - a woman 9th in a World Cup race, two men in the top 30 (after the first run of two) of their race |
| 12:26.33 | wethrin | w00t |
| 12:26.58 | wethrin | But it seems that curling is the only winter sport that the UK are really good at :) |
| 12:27.17 | Leeds | ice-skating? |
| 12:27.28 | wethrin | That was a long time ago now. |
| 12:27.42 | SpudULike | A nation of floor sweepers! |
| 12:28.06 | Leeds | many many yeahs ago, we used to be one of the top bobleigh nations... nowadays, they don't have enough money to go to non-European competitions :-( |
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| 12:29.42 | Tarragon | I thought it was the Army and Blue Peter that did our bobsleigh for us |
| 12:30.29 | Leeds | yeah, many of them are in the Army... or are runners doing bobsleigh for a change |
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| 12:36.51 | wethrin | Mm. Breakfast time. |
| 12:38.02 | SpudULike | For the hell of it, I'm doing a Slack install. What is fdisk.bin, it's not there and I need to run fdisk. |
| 12:40.41 | pawel | try to use cfdisk. |
| 12:40.51 | SpudULike | Same problem. |
| 12:41.24 | pawel | what is your boot medium? |
| 12:41.43 | SpudULike | floppies at the moment. |
| 12:42.42 | pawel | how many floppies do you have? |
| 12:43.10 | pawel | maybe it's not enough? |
| 12:43.16 | SpudULike | One boot and two root/install disks. |
| 12:43.31 | pawel | hm. |
| 12:43.49 | pawel | and which you're using now? |
| 12:45.03 | SpudULike | Now? On irc? No. I'm doing a small laptop that's not networked yet. |
| 12:45.24 | pawel | no idea, I've done last slackware fdd-based installation 3 years a go with good results. |
| 12:46.01 | pawel | maybe you need to change a disk, but it should ask you for that. |
| 12:47.34 | SpudULike | It did ask for all the disks. I can see an fdisk entry in /sbin but when I try to run it it complains about fdisk.bin not being there. |
| 12:51.04 | pawel | try to find this file or you can download one of bootable floppy-based distro, then you can make partitions and after this go back to slackware floppies and use it to install packages. |
| 12:51.36 | zachary | SpudULike: Have you tried Slax? |
| 12:52.03 | SpudULike | CD isn't bootable. |
| 12:52.52 | pawel | zachary, is there any posibility to use lilo to boot from CD? |
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| 12:55.01 | zachary | pawel: haven't tried, but I could check it out. Unless anyone else knows? |
| 13:06.49 | SpudULike | fdisk problem was down to a corrupt install disk, it's working now. |
| 13:09.57 | pawel | well done. :) |
| 13:15.17 | SpudULike | Another problem I had was making the CDs. Originally I was writing them to RW media - hell, it's Slack, it'll be in the bin in minutes - but the laptop drive refused to read them. Burnt the same image to a one time disc and all was OK. Anyone else found this with RW media? |
| 13:20.55 | Tarragon | Older drives cannot cope with multiread or CDRW |
| 13:22.02 | SpudULike | That'll be it then. |
| 13:31.25 | wethrin | Mmm. Slackware. |
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| 13:36.34 | evangineer | wethrin: the article about anti-counterfeiting and open source is reachable now http://www.advogato.org/article/742.html |
| 13:37.27 | wethrin | thanks |
| 13:37.35 | evangineer | Photoshop and PaintShop Pro already have the anti-counterfeiting software built in |
| 13:39.00 | evangineer | The original article which brought this to my attention is http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13539 |
| 13:42.24 | wethrin | Hm. Nice lots of overreaction. |
| 13:48.24 | evangineer | apparently new legislation is being considered to mandate the use of this sort of software http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13528 |
| 13:50.03 | evangineer | Some people get a bit sensitive about this sort of thing, because it's like a preview of TCPA. |
| 13:50.46 | wethrin | Yes, but it seems to be more along the lines of "But what will happen to our beloved GIMP?" |
| 13:52.05 | evangineer | That certainly is the most obvious example. |
| 13:52.52 | evangineer | This reminds me of the debian non-us servers. |
| 13:53.25 | rhowe | Just pick the TV card instead of my webcam as capture device :) |
| 13:53.52 | evangineer | They hold/held the software that was legally not usable in the US, because of things like the RSA patent and restrictions on cryptography. |
| 13:54.14 | evangineer | rhowe: good hack! |
| 13:55.01 | wethrin | Yeh. Same with PGP |
| 13:55.44 | wethrin | It's debateable whether UK TV is a good thing, though :) |
| 13:55.52 | wethrin | Anyway, time for me to go out. Back later. |
| 13:56.03 | evangineer | later wethrin |
| 13:56.22 | rhowe | wethrin: It's a LOT better than .hk TV |
| 13:56.24 | rhowe | "Please enter your 4 digit identity code, followed by the # key" |
| 13:56.26 | rhowe | I have a 4 digit identity code? |
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| 14:35.00 | Leeds | shorter |
| 14:44.30 | evangineer | Oh well, it gives me more time to prepare. I've started refreshing my Java knowledge and I need to do the same with Transact-SQL. |
| 14:52.09 | Leeds | so, what did you get me? |
| 14:53.40 | Cope | a nice pear |
| 14:54.47 | evangineer | tonight is freedom hacklab benefit night http://www.hacklabs.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Freedom_Hacklab |
| 14:54.58 | Cope | ah yeah |
| 14:55.08 | evangineer | I'm probably going to go. |
| 14:55.40 | evangineer | Cope: it's up in your neck of the woods, so I can inspect the damage from the thunderbolt |
| 14:56.08 | Cope | hmm - belsize park or something? |
| 14:56.37 | evangineer | sez Kentish Town |
| 14:56.59 | Cope | ah ok |
| 14:57.03 | Cope | NW5 |
| 14:57.27 | Cope | North London Line train journey away |
| 15:19.43 | Nutshell | god you guy's are luck we get f**k all up north |
| 15:20.23 | evangineer | bah! Banks are such inflexible organisations. Forget Free Software, what we need is Free Banking! http://www.reinventingmoney.com/freeMoney.php |
| 15:20.38 | Nutshell | but i suppose it's because there are to many idiots round this part now :) |
| 15:20.51 | evangineer | Nutshell: what can I tell you? |
| 15:21.22 | Nutshell | gotta move |
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| 15:40.58 | Leeds | ah, the legality of eating swans in Cambridge... you've got to love the non sequitors on a list for Jewish techies :-) |
| 15:41.25 | wethrin | sequit*u*r </pedant> :) |
| 15:41.36 | wethrin | Eating swans in legal in Cam? |
| 15:41.38 | Leeds | indeed |
| 15:41.53 | wethrin | Aren't all swans owned by Her Majesty, though? |
| 15:42.31 | Leeds | St John's College apparently has the right to eat them... |
| 15:42.51 | Leeds | as do a couple of the old livery companies in London |
| 15:43.21 | wethrin | Swans aren't supposed to be very nice to eat, though |
| 15:43.50 | Leeds | referring to a dead swan: "He prepared it using a recipe for goose, and all who joined in the repast declared it to be like very tender beef and delicious." |
| 15:43.56 | Leeds | http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-21273,00.html |
| 15:44.19 | Leeds | the original question came from the issue of insect secretions |
| 15:48.36 | wethrin | Right.... |
| 15:48.56 | wethrin | Aren't insect secretions off-topic for a tech group? :) |
| 15:49.22 | evangineer | wethrin: I was thinking just that very thing! |
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| 16:15.26 | JD | wethrin: nothing is OT here (unless it involves Jenson |
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| 16:15.42 | JD | hi zimm |
| 16:15.50 | wethrin | JD: Leeds wasn't talking about here, though - he was talking about a mailing list, AIUI |
| 16:16.25 | zimm | hey JD |
| 16:16.25 | JD | oh |
| 16:16.25 | JD | but still ... |
| 16:16.35 | wethrin | This tends to be more like a pub discussion, but without the smoky atmosphere |
| 16:17.15 | JD | and the beer |
| 16:17.26 | wethrin | I can have beer. |
| 16:17.39 | JD | I can't I have to drive home from Bristol |
| 16:17.44 | wethrin | Maybe I'll have beer during Enterprise |
| 16:17.59 | JD | gah when is that? |
| 16:18.02 | JD | is it a repeat? |
| 16:18.08 | JD | or on C4? |
| 16:18.25 | zimm | JD: bristol ? |
| 16:18.38 | wethrin | On C4. |
| 16:18.41 | wethrin | After Stargate |
| 16:18.46 | murb | good afternoon |
| 16:18.58 | JD | zimm: yes bristol |
| 16:19.09 | zimm | JD: what you doing down here ? |
| 16:19.22 | JD | seeing a friend |
| 16:19.46 | zimm | ahhh ... |
| 16:19.58 | Leeds | the mailing list is for Jewish techies... nothing is really OT there |
| 16:20.58 | wethrin | A social tech list, then? |
| 16:21.01 | Leeds | yes |
| 16:21.06 | wethrin | Ah. |
| 16:21.27 | Leeds | and global :-) |
| 16:22.41 | skugg | JD, i must say I quite like the ability to build several debian packages from one source package. neat stuff. |
| 16:23.32 | JD | skugg: you can do that with rpm too |
| 16:24.12 | JD | dpkg does allow you to not clean up after each build |
| 16:25.23 | skugg | yeah, i've noticed. |
| 16:25.35 | skugg | been playing with debhelper etc a bit yesterday and today |
| 16:25.55 | skugg | i'm sure you can do this with rpm too, but I've not looked at that :) |
| 16:26.38 | skugg | had some trouble with dh_install{docs,man} yesterday, but sorted it now |
| 16:28.12 | skugg | trying to find out a bit about best practices now... |
| 16:28.53 | skugg | and how to put my packages up somewhere so people can install them with apt |
| 16:43.11 | murb | skugg: for auto breaking systems :) |
| 16:45.58 | zachary | SpudULike: ping |
| 17:28.13 | murb | 10:42 eurostar train is still 29.50 |
| 17:28.18 | murb | someone said it was more. |
| 17:30.40 | wethrin | I did. |
| 17:30.47 | wethrin | It was more on Friday evening |
| 17:31.13 | Leeds | it jumps around |
| 17:31.30 | wethrin | Bouncy trains |
| 17:31.34 | Leeds | I was sure it got more expensive a week or two back, until I looked again |
| 17:32.46 | Leeds | anyway... I need to raise the expense request tomorrow... |
| 17:38.11 | wethrin | Pork sauce? |
| 17:38.24 | zachary | Well I don't, actually sounds goood. Also with a nice assortment of mixed vegies. |
| 17:39.38 | wethrin | Mixed vegetarians? |
| 17:41.01 | zachary | wethrin: no, vegies with the pork and oyster sauce. |
| 17:42.49 | wethrin | Oh. |
| 17:44.11 | murb | wethrin: there are still cheap tickets on the 10:42 |
| 17:44.27 | murb | however bmi are even cheaper |
| 17:44.42 | murb | 57.60 inc taxes |
| 17:44.43 | SpudULike | Cheap! <cough> |
| 17:44.50 | wethrin | I only have to pay one-way, though, remember :) |
| 17:44.52 | murb | SpudULike: how are you traveling? |
| 17:45.01 | wethrin | (assuming what Leeds said is correct) |
| 17:45.14 | evangineer | London Underground's content management is rubbish, I have to download a pdf to find out about travelcard prices! |
| 17:45.18 | murb | i don't like the way you pay more in tax than fares. |
| 17:45.22 | SpudULike | murb: Overnight coach, like last year. |
| 17:45.38 | murb | evangineer: that isn't their content managment so much as their content |
| 17:46.39 | evangineer | murb: I believe it is a content management issue. Content should be made available in multiple forms. |
| 17:46.56 | murb | SpudULike: how much is the coach? |
| 17:47.06 | SpudULike | £33 return. |
| 17:47.16 | murb | what about massive random taxes added on top? |
| 17:47.25 | murb | 33+15 is what? |
| 17:47.32 | wethrin | 48 |
| 17:47.37 | murb | yeah. |
| 17:47.41 | SpudULike | What's the £15 for? |
| 17:47.46 | murb | which is nearly 57.60 |
| 17:47.55 | murb | SpudULike: catching the coach. |
| 17:47.57 | wethrin | 9.40 difference |
| 17:47.57 | evangineer | murb: on the web, the preferred form is obviously html, rather than things like pdf. |
| 17:48.19 | murb | evangineer: but presuably that would be like effort, and i don't see what your problem is with pdf. |
| 17:48.21 | evangineer | If the content management was sorted, they could publish both to html and pdf |
| 17:48.24 | murb | it could say be a word docuemnt. |
| 17:48.32 | SpudULike | Once again Murb, I'm not with you. £15 to get to coach station? |
| 17:48.38 | murb | SpudULike: yeap. |
| 17:48.54 | murb | peroid return to zone 1 |
| 17:48.59 | SpudULike | Hmm, £1 for me, so no contest. |
| 17:49.08 | murb | by bus? |
| 17:49.15 | SpudULike | Yup. |
| 17:49.17 | murb | I didn't investigate buses for getting to london. |
| 17:49.28 | evangineer | murb: with a decent Content Management System in place, it is no additional effort. |
| 17:50.07 | SpudULike | murb: Where from? Wycomb still? |
| 17:50.48 | evangineer | I don't find pdfs easy to navigate. perhaps I should be using a better viewer. Currently, I use xpdf |
| 17:51.09 | murb | SpudULike: high wycombe |
| 17:51.09 | wethrin | murb: You can't get a direct bus from HW to London, AFAIK |
| 17:51.19 | murb | wethrin: there used to be one once. |
| 17:51.25 | wethrin | You can get to Slough or Heathrow, and then to London |
| 17:51.30 | murb | i thought i saw adverts very strangly at the bus station |
| 17:51.40 | wethrin | There also use to be a train line going between Loudwater and Maidenhead. |
| 17:52.14 | murb | yeah they even sold of the track bed to people to have garden extensions :( |
| 17:52.28 | murb | (so no prospect of re enstatment even as a light railway) |
| 17:52.44 | murb | wethrin: you mean to wycombe. |
| 17:52.57 | murb | the first line to wycombe didn't arrive on teh current route. |
| 17:53.13 | wethrin | Yes, but it went through Loudwater |
| 17:53.21 | SpudULike | murb: BMI from where to Brussels? |
| 17:53.50 | evangineer | rhowe: are you going to tonight's freedom hacklab benefit night? http://www.hacklabs.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Freedom_Hacklab |
| 17:56.08 | murb | SpudULike: LHR |
| 17:56.23 | murb | 12 quid each way, then the taxes ... |
| 17:56.25 | Leeds | LHR isn't cheap or easy to get to |
| 17:56.46 | SpudULike | That was inc in you £57??? |
| 18:01.20 | murb | SpudULike: the taxes on 24 quid |
| 18:01.35 | murb | Leeds: it depends where you are going from. |
| 18:01.45 | murb | from Wycombe it is about 2 or 3 quid by bus. |
| 18:04.56 | Leeds | okay |
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| 18:31.04 | Cope | Slackware doesn't check dependencies on packages, doesn't install security/bugfix patches, and has no means of upgrading itself without trashing your system settings. You don't ``upgrade'' things in Slackware -- you attempt to install something, then try to fix whatever the crap broke. |
| 18:32.20 | wethrin | Bollocks :) |
| 18:32.25 | wethrin | And have they read the Slackware-security list? |
| 18:32.36 | wethrin | Shostakovich++ |
| 18:32.41 | Cope | Oooh! |
| 18:33.02 | wethrin | I think that Festive Overture is probably my favourite piece of music. |
| 18:33.04 | evangineer | Probably haven't read UPGRADE.TXT either |
| 18:33.29 | Cope | evanginer: or quite simply haven't got a clue. |
| 18:33.57 | evangineer | Cope: to be succinct, indeed! |
| 18:34.11 | atrazine | they ARE on undernet after all |
| 18:35.28 | evangineer | Sounds like "man upgradepkg" is to much for them, too. |
| 18:35.42 | evangineer | s/to/too/ |
| 18:35.45 | wethrin | They ARE on undernet after all :) |
| 18:36.09 | Cope | rhowe is on undernet, and he has a clue. |
| 18:36.34 | wethrin | That's because he's also on here :) |
| 18:36.48 | atrazine | I'm on undernet, I like to think I have a clue |
| 18:36.57 | evangineer | rhowe should tell them to STFU, RTFM and GAFC |
| 18:37.36 | atrazine | not to mention FOAD |
| 18:37.49 | evangineer | atrazine: yes! |
| 18:39.28 | wethrin | Debian-- |
| 18:39.34 | wethrin | Hmm. Maybe I should go and annoy them ;-) |
| 18:42.00 | atrazine | haha, here's something to do for fun: go into #hackphreak on undernet and ask about 'rap1st'. See how fast the bannage comes |
| 18:42.43 | wethrin | Why? |
| 18:44.32 | atrazine | the new 'fake' phrack has some long IRC logs of rap1st getting Rloxley really mad about some child porn 'allegations' |
| 18:44.41 | *** join/#gllug irvined (~irvined@home.irvined.co.uk) |
| 18:44.44 | atrazine | apparently it wasn't too well received |
| 18:45.06 | wethrin | ah |
| 18:45.26 | atrazine | most of phrack is just retarded IRC logs and 'scene' BS, but the honeypot articles are technically very goof |
| 18:45.30 | atrazine | *good |
| 18:45.43 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:57.22 | *** part/#gllug trskz (~trskz@host217-44-114-226.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:15.11 | Cope | AK-47 - check |
| 19:15.19 | Cope | Grenade Launcher - check |
| 19:17.26 | evangineer | with the tactical nuke option |
| 19:18.31 | wethrin | hm? |
| 19:18.31 | wethrin | \ |
| 19:19.07 | Cope | What do you mean, \ ? |
| 19:22.09 | wethrin | Which channel did you get booted from? |
| 19:22.18 | wethrin | The \ was a miss-steak |
| 19:22.55 | *** join/#gllug Marios_ (~mkoumide@24.247.222.225.kzo.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 19:23.30 | Marios_ | hello guys.. |
| 19:23.35 | Cope | I was in #redhat |
| 19:23.42 | Cope | Marios_ - hello! |
| 19:24.09 | Marios_ | can anybody try this address please http://24.247.222.225:6666 |
| 19:24.36 | Cope | looks good |
| 19:24.45 | Marios_ | is it working? |
| 19:24.52 | Cope | yeah |
| 19:24.57 | Marios_ | ok thanx !! |
| 19:25.20 | Marios_ | this is what I wanted to know...cause I was at work yesterday and it wasn't working... |
| 19:25.31 | Leeds | works for me too... |
| 19:25.52 | Cope | really good design too |
| 19:26.15 | Marios_ | great |
| 19:27.17 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 19:29.20 | Cope | Marios_ need to correct the copy under Layout without tables |
| 19:30.57 | Marios_ | what is wrong? |
| 19:31.54 | Cope | Unlike this design's inspiration, Sinorca does not use tables for layout purposes - should this read: |
| 19:32.11 | Cope | Unlike this design's inspiration, Sinorca, this site does not use tables for layout purposes |
| 19:32.16 | wethrin | Foodtime. |
| 19:33.10 | *** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@i-195-137-116-73.freedom2surf.net) |
| 19:33.17 | Leeds | Cope: sinorca is the name of the design, not the inspiration |
| 19:33.37 | Marios_ | anywayz I will erase all these stuff |
| 19:33.37 | Cope | Ahok |
| 19:33.56 | Marios_ | now I am just trying to move my website in my Linux PC at home |
| 19:37.22 | Cope | Marios_ - have you deleted stuff already? Was just going to look at your white style sheet |
| 19:38.10 | Marios_ | no I haven't deleted stuff |
| 19:38.29 | Cope | http://24.247.222.225:6666/sinorca-white.css 404s |
| 19:39.00 | Cope | Ah ok |
| 19:39.09 | Cope | Ignore mw |
| 19:39.50 | Marios_ | ok |
| 19:43.29 | evangineer | Watch out Kentish Town, here I come! |
| 19:43.53 | Leeds | hmm... I'm sure I just saw Ricky Gervais doing a non-speaking cameo in Scrubs |
| 20:29.09 | Cope | To know recursion, you must first know recursion. |
| 20:30.10 | Marios_ | :) |
| 20:31.10 | Cope | ou've heard about the computer programmer that died while washing his hair in the shower. The instructions said, 'Lather, rinse, repeat.' |
| 20:32.15 | Leeds | from BBC news: "Merchant searches pet's poo after bovine eats bag of diamonds" |
| 20:33.08 | Cope | He has a pet cow? |
| 20:33.48 | Leeds | apparently so |
| 20:34.07 | Cope | from #redhat: How can I see how much space I have on my hard disk? I'm using fluxbox instead of gnome. |
| 20:34.58 | Leeds | ah, well... you can't run the gnome gdf utility under fluxbox, unless you buy the gnome connector |
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| 20:35.47 | Nutshell | Cope: goog luck for tomorrow with the new job :) |
| 20:35.55 | Nutshell | *good* |
| 20:35.56 | Leeds | ximian bundle it in with the exchange connector |
| 20:36.44 | Cope | Nutshell: Thanks - although due to security clearance paperwork ineptitude I am now starting on Tuesday |
| 20:36.55 | Nutshell | LOL |
| 20:37.45 | Leeds | Cope: starting with a day of gardening leave? |
| 20:38.27 | Cope | Leeds: Something like that! |
| 20:38.36 | Nutshell | LOTR my son's mad on it |
| 20:39.02 | Nutshell | we must watch it about 3 times a week |
| 20:39.28 | Leeds | Cope: say it ain't true! |
| 20:39.48 | Nutshell | and when it's not LOTR it's the simpsons |
| 20:39.48 | Cope | Leeds: I will not lie :o) |
| 20:40.17 | Leeds | ah, tomorrow is a US holiday |
| 20:41.08 | Leeds | Cope: so when are you planning to read - at least - LOTR? |
| 20:41.19 | Cope | This is priceless: I want to use my floppy, but there is no a: - what do I do? |
| 20:41.40 | Nutshell | try b: |
| 20:41.45 | Cope | Leeds: If someone lends it to me I will read it. |
| 20:42.50 | Leeds | library? |
| 20:43.10 | Leeds | they're sort of there to lend people books :-) |
| 20:43.39 | Cope | Yeah - but they got pissed off when I borrowed books for far too long and wouldn't give them 50 pounds as an apology. |
| 20:44.43 | Leeds | last time I borrowed books for far too long - they didn't charge me anything! I don't know why not, since the books were about 3 months late - but there was no charge on my account :-) |
| 20:45.48 | wethrin | (Top Gear)++ |
| 20:46.57 | wethrin | Did you set a return date on them? |
| 20:47.11 | Leeds | wethrin: top gear? |
| 20:47.32 | wethrin | Yes. Started at 8pm. Finished when someone else turned up and forced the TV to be switched off |
| 20:47.54 | Leeds | on? |
| 20:48.02 | wethrin | BBC2. |
| 20:48.11 | wethrin | It's a 'Best Of', though |
| 20:48.14 | Leeds | ah |
| 20:48.32 | Leeds | that would be why the TiVo ignored it :-) |
| 20:50.46 | Nutshell | Cope: register under young william's name |
| 20:51.08 | Leeds | Cope: register in another borough |
| 20:51.10 | Cope | Nutshell: good idea |
| 20:51.19 | Cope | Leeds: Also a good idea. |
| 21:00.32 | Leeds | hah |
| 21:00.41 | Nutshell | hah what Leeds |
| 21:02.27 | Leeds | hah at cope |
| 21:02.59 | Cope | Meaningless waste of time which I ought to value more. |
| 21:04.11 | Cope | Solaris++ |
| 21:04.24 | Nutshell | Cope: how many computers do you own now ? |
| 21:04.47 | Cope | 4 + 2 on the way |
| 21:05.34 | Leeds | Nutshell: define computer :-) |
| 21:06.41 | Nutshell | boxes with bits in them and a monitor which allow you use an operating system ( i think ) |
| 21:06.44 | Cope | Currently Zaurus (Open Zaurus) P133 (OpenBSD) P200 (Slackware) Duron 900 (Solaris) Laptop (Fedora) P2-350 (Redhat) |
| 21:06.55 | Leeds | so my two headless boxes aren't computers? :-) |
| 21:07.34 | Nutshell | ho shit got that wrong :_) |
| 21:08.05 | Leeds | and for that matter a PDA and a laptop don't really have monitors |
| 21:08.59 | rhowe | evangineer: Doesn't look like it :) |
| 21:09.11 | Cope | rhowe: hello there |
| 21:10.28 | Leeds | Nutshell: does a TiVo count as a computer? |
| 21:10.39 | rhowe | Cope: heyo |
| 21:11.42 | Nutshell | then again after saying the you can make an xbox into a linux server |
| 21:12.40 | wethrin | g'nigt new2unix |
| 21:12.51 | wethrin | And before you sleep, sign up to gllug social :) |
| 21:13.02 | Leeds | there's a gllug social? |
| 21:14.56 | wethrin | Didn't you sign up yesterday? |
| 21:15.34 | Cope | rhowe: why do you have lots of dirty fabric? |
| 21:16.54 | Leeds | :-) |
| 21:16.58 | rhowe | Cope: Lack of washing lately |
| 21:17.08 | Leeds | rhowe: doing your laundry in public? |
| 21:17.33 | rhowe | Leeds: Well it's not like I have the webcam trained on the washing machine or anything.. |
| 21:17.59 | Leeds | it's - approximately - a saying |
| 21:17.59 | Cope | rhowe: shame on you |
| 21:18.06 | Leeds | I should put some washing in too, I suppose |
| 21:18.25 | rhowe | Cope: I was actually using gnomemeeting to stream TV to Sarah earlier - just pick the TV card as video source instead of the webcam |
| 21:19.01 | Cope | rhowe: I saw - very nice. |
| 21:19.33 | rhowe | Cope: It looked to me as though it was sending at ~320x240 or so, and probably quite blocky |
| 21:20.01 | Leeds | I've done xawtv over wireless LAN to the iPAQ... |
| 21:20.14 | rhowe | Leeds: not vlc? |
| 21:20.38 | Leeds | rhowe: does vlc do TV? without having something like gnomemeeting setup? |
| 21:20.45 | rhowe | Leeds: What do you use for extended storage on the iPAQ? I'm stuck with the 32M flash atm |
| 21:20.54 | Leeds | CF |
| 21:20.58 | Leeds | lots of CF |
| 21:21.13 | rhowe | Leeds: Well I'd assume you could capture the v4l device and direct it into the videolan stuff |
| 21:21.19 | rhowe | Leeds: PC card reader? |
| 21:22.38 | Leeds | ? |
| 21:22.58 | Leeds | oh... yeah, I have a USB CF reader... but I've tended to use WLAN to copy stuff over NFS |
| 21:23.05 | Leeds | I have a dual-CF sleeve |
| 21:23.21 | rhowe | Leeds: Ah. I don't have anything besides the serial cradle that came with it.. it's a touch limiting |
| 21:36.45 | Cope | Do you mean it isn't or it is, but slowly? |
| 21:37.24 | Leeds | both, actually... not building, and doing so slowly |
| 21:38.16 | Leeds | at least - I don't expect the build to work, and it's being slow |
| 21:38.33 | Leeds | enough precise qualification? :-) |
| 21:40.03 | wethrin | Going nowhere slowly, then? |
| 21:40.25 | wethrin | (Tom Lehrer)++ |
| 21:40.43 | Leeds | yup |
| 21:42.56 | wethrin | Oedipus Rex :) |
| 21:44.38 | Cope | Cool - shutdown opie and just have a shell - very fun. |
| 21:46.15 | *** join/#gllug pie (~pie@82-68-20-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:47.05 | wethrin | pie! |
| 21:48.50 | rhowe | mmmm pie |
| 21:56.59 | pie | 'lo |
| 21:57.07 | pie | how are you all? |
| 21:59.05 | pie | Anyone know of an X gui tool for designing database schemas? I found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbdesign/ but it needs wxWindows... |
| 21:59.06 | wethrin | not bad |
| 21:59.13 | pie | good. |
| 21:59.17 | wethrin | Pencil and paper. |
| 21:59.26 | pie | ;) |
| 21:59.37 | pie | I was hoping to avoid that |
| 21:59.40 | wethrin | Or red pen. |
| 21:59.53 | pie | difficult to make changes |
| 22:00.02 | Cope | tipex |
| 22:00.25 | rhowe | vim :) |
| 22:00.38 | Cope | rhowe: bad boy - vi |
| 22:00.40 | pie | luddites. |
| 22:00.56 | Cope | rhowe: or ed |
| 22:01.03 | rhowe | vi is vim, at least here :) |
| 22:01.42 | wethrin | That's not right :) |
| 22:02.32 | rhowe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2004-01-11 21:23 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim |
| 22:02.36 | rhowe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2003-04-23 02:19 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 22:03.05 | wethrin | Yuck. Link to link makes accesss slow |
| 22:03.28 | rhowe | It's over NFS, too |
| 22:20.31 | Leeds | and writes his weekly status report for work |
| 22:20.49 | rhowe | status report? :P |
| 22:21.14 | Leeds | can't build Solaris :-( |
| 22:23.39 | wethrin | Do you include the smiley in your report ?:) |
| 22:24.17 | Leeds | not normally. sometimes... |
| 22:24.24 | Leeds | not this week |
| 22:26.46 | Leeds | this film is very very very gory... but in a cartoony way |
| 22:27.07 | rhowe | Leeds: Yeah, it's supposed to be good |
| 22:27.13 | Leeds | it is good |
| 22:27.18 | Leeds | I saw it at the cinema |
| 22:27.32 | rhowe | Hrm, Broken Arrow on BBC1 |
| 23:05.42 | Leeds | bah |
| 23:06.03 | wethrin | No luck? |
| 23:11.01 | Leeds | no |
| 23:11.18 | Leeds | ah well - it'll give me something fun to do in the morning... |
| 23:11.19 | wethrin | Oh. |
| 23:11.22 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:11.46 | Leeds | for some value or other of fun |
| 23:12.00 | wethrin | I'll be at SUSE in the morning |
| 23:13.54 | Leeds | okay... |
| 23:20.17 | Leeds | John Williams++ |
| 23:21.27 | wethrin | Yes. What particular score? |
| 23:21.40 | wethrin | Johan de Meij++ too |
| 23:21.59 | wethrin | But I'm still going to stick with Festive Overture as my all-time favourite piece of music. |
| 23:22.18 | Leeds | Star Wars :-) |
| 23:22.25 | Leeds | Luke's Theme |
| 23:22.39 | rhowe | http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/hangman |
| 23:24.53 | Leeds | heh |
| 23:28.50 | rhowe | whee, 6G of space now |
| 23:31.41 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes. :) |
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| 23:39.58 | wethrin | Time for sleep. |
| 23:39.59 | wethrin | G'night all |
| 23:40.07 | Marios_ | gn wethrin |
| 23:42.53 | Leeds | night |
| 23:52.42 | Marios_ | Leeds << what are you trying to do? |
| 23:55.09 | rhowe | Marios_: At a guess, compile Solaris |
| 23:56.50 | Marios_ | rhowe << how is life? |
| 23:57.02 | Leeds | rhowe: right |
| 23:57.09 | Leeds | oh, and fix my heating |
| 23:57.15 | Marios_ | when are you going to Hong Kong ? |
| 23:57.29 | rhowe | Marios_: 5th Feb, and possibly this Friday too |
| 23:57.51 | Marios_ | is everything fine with your girl ? |
| 23:57.58 | rhowe | Marios_: Not really |
| 23:58.16 | Marios_ | after you go everything will be fine |
| 23:58.23 | rhowe | Marios_: Can only hope |