| 00:00.40 | adhoc | nasr_zZz: you need more coffee! |
| 00:04.40 | pie | 'lo all |
| 00:26.03 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 00:29.08 | adhoc | mornen all |
| 00:59.29 | *** join/#gllug Marios_ (~mkoumide@24.247.222.225.kzo.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 00:59.43 | Marios_ | anybody here with a Belkin wireless card? |
| 01:00.53 | new2unix | buffalo wireless here |
| 01:01.11 | Marios_ | ohhh |
| 01:01.47 | Marios_ | I was trying today to configure a Belkin wireless card with a 2wire wireless router/modem |
| 01:03.48 | new2unix | Marios_: "configure"? in what way? what OS and Distro? ebian, Slackware and NetBSd all picked up my card. WinXP asked for an install CD. Hah |
| 01:04.51 | SpudULike | nn guys. |
| 01:05.04 | new2unix | Marios_: my wireless AP has a DHCP server so it was a simple matter of picking up an IP via dhcp request. |
| 01:05.07 | new2unix | nn SpudULike |
| 01:07.09 | new2unix | Oops! its 1am. Goodnight all |
| 01:10.39 | Marios_ | well |
| 01:10.42 | Marios_ | still there? |
| 04:35.46 | *** join/#gllug evangineer (~evanginee@spc1-seve3-4-0-cust13.lond.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 06:28.27 | *** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@host81-129-6-46.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 07:39.33 | zachary | moin |
| 07:39.52 | adhoc | ello |
| 07:55.50 | *** join/#gllug anth (~anth@195.157.53.168) |
| 08:17.14 | Cope | moin |
| 08:52.52 | pawel | . |
| 09:24.18 | *** join/#gllug anth (~anth@195.157.53.168) |
| 09:26.58 | *** join/#gllug Nutshell (~les@82-33-169-47.cable.ubr06.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:43.55 | Nutshell | http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ |
| 09:56.50 | anth | I tried saying this earlier but was told "Remote end closed connection". The price for the 10:42 train that many were planning to take to Fosdem has gone up by 10 quid |
| 10:17.17 | *** join/#gllug irvined (~irvined@adsl-239-121.as15758.net) |
| 10:32.07 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@host-212-158-207-148.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 10:32.20 | zachary | moin Leeds |
| 10:33.07 | Leeds | morning |
| 10:42.17 | *** join/#gllug amias (~amias@194.152.90.151) |
| 10:42.38 | amias | </lurk> |
| 10:42.49 | amias | ello moi luggers |
| 10:43.10 | Leeds | morning amias |
| 10:43.13 | *** join/#gllug Beth (~beth@82-35-122-66.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 10:43.33 | Beth | HI all |
| 10:44.15 | zachary | Morning Beth |
| 10:44.23 | Beth | Howz you? |
| 10:45.03 | zachary | Tired. Daughter decided to wake up at 3am. :-) |
| 10:46.03 | Beth | How ols is she? :) |
| 10:46.18 | zachary | 23 months |
| 10:46.33 | amias | has anyone in here used linux on mips machines much ? |
| 10:46.58 | Beth | That' so lovely |
| 10:47.44 | Leeds | MIPS, no... |
| 10:47.56 | Leeds | x86, ARM, PPC, SPARC... but no MIPS |
| 10:48.43 | Beth | Her age - rather than sleeping pattern. |
| 10:49.00 | Leeds | amias: what's the problem? |
| 10:49.13 | amias | no problems , i've found out the my netgear router is a mips box running linux-2.4.17 and i want to hack it |
| 10:49.38 | Leeds | cool |
| 10:49.42 | amias | it only does DMZ for one IP address and i want it to do it for at least 2 |
| 10:49.55 | amias | as well as nat on a third |
| 10:50.10 | amias | and maybe run labrea on the fourth |
| 10:51.16 | amias | it does a firmware upgrade via its web interface so i reckon if i can work out the .img file format it uses then i can stick my own os on it |
| 10:51.27 | amias | and fix the dhcp while i'm at it :) |
| 10:52.13 | nasrat | amias: if it runs linux you should check for the src for gpl compatibility, also check lkml archives as various vendor discussions/links to source have been provided |
| 10:52.48 | amias | I can get the source from the netgear website |
| 10:53.30 | amias | ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/GPL/ |
| 10:53.54 | nasrat | amias: ok, then all you need to do is poke and setup a crosscompiler |
| 10:54.09 | nasrat | is it mipsel? |
| 10:54.23 | amias | how might i find out |
| 10:56.39 | nasrat | hmm, is there a .config in the kernel sources, do you have telnet/ssh access so can run uname |
| 10:56.56 | nasrat | if you have the images a file on a binary would tell you |
| 10:57.19 | amias | i can get the .config , will dcc it when it has finished d/ling |
| 10:57.46 | amias | the kernel it uses can be found at ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/GPL/linux-2.4.17_mvl21.tgz |
| 10:58.19 | nasrat | amias: I don't do dcc |
| 10:58.38 | amias | what should i look for in the .config |
| 10:58.40 | nasrat | but reading the .config should enlighten you if it's there |
| 11:02.00 | amias | its mips_malta |
| 11:04.09 | amias | # CONFIG_MIPS_EV96100 is not set |
| 11:04.09 | amias | # CONFIG_MIPS_EV64120 is not set |
| 11:04.09 | amias | # CONFIG_MIPS_ATLAS is not set |
| 11:04.09 | amias | CONFIG_MIPS_MALTA=y |
| 11:04.53 | amias | mips32 and llsc are on |
| 11:06.02 | nasrat | it's been a while since I've played with mips but IIRC there is a mips howto |
| 11:10.53 | *** join/#gllug stephen (stephen@windsor.org.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:11.37 | *** join/#gllug new2unix (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-141.zen.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:11.37 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-70-130.homechoice.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:19.58 | amias | lots of goodies :) |
| 11:21.21 | *** join/#gllug pie (~will@80.46.40.36) |
| 11:24.49 | highbury | morning |
| 11:35.33 | amias | would i be right in thinking ppp over atm interfaces should allow more than one IP to be carried ? |
| 11:37.23 | pie | morning, and later. Got to reboot. |
| 11:39.10 | zachary | amias: Which netgear router do you have? |
| 11:47.35 | amias | DG834G |
| 11:54.30 | amias | not using it at the moment |
| 12:02.00 | gregj | :] |
| 12:21.41 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~rc112576@beryllium.eu.sun.com) |
| 12:27.46 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 12:36.58 | evangineer | hey wethrin |
| 12:50.13 | gregj | y0 |
| 12:59.47 | wethrin | Tutorial time |
| 13:02.39 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@82-35-38-96.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:05.01 | formi | hiya |
| 13:05.31 | formi | im seeing a huge amount of spam directed to pporv@whateverdomain |
| 13:05.47 | formi | anybody seeing it/ |
| 13:07.06 | Leeds | I'm just seeing a huge amount of spam... I don't read the headers |
| 13:08.02 | formi | it's comming from many different places, some are already blocked by rdbl |
| 13:08.19 | formi | but all of them come the user pporv |
| 13:08.39 | Leeds | from as in the from line? |
| 13:10.50 | formi | on the to: line |
| 13:11.18 | Leeds | nope |
| 13:12.37 | formi | Return-Path: <cmullins_yb@cellularpia.co.kr> |
| 13:12.37 | formi | X-Original-To: pporv@mydomain.co.uk To: pporv@mydomain.co.uk |
| 13:12.37 | formi | Subject: unhappy about the size of your love musc1e |
| 13:13.01 | formi | similar ones come to other domains |
| 13:13.19 | formi | some where bloked by rbl, others not |
| 13:16.49 | Leeds | the vast majority of my spam goes to one of about 4 or 5 well-known addresses within my domains |
| 13:17.22 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-70-149.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 13:17.59 | JD | wethrin: sorry |
| 13:18.04 | JD | Xiaoqi: sorry too |
| 13:18.10 | JD | bloody phone |
| 13:18.22 | formi | the size of my love muscle if more than big enough, no pun intended it is my brains, |
| 13:19.00 | formi | it doesnt work properly, not a problem of size |
| 13:24.17 | gregj | gj.pointblue.com.pl/fuck_spammers.sh |
| 13:24.27 | gregj | that was my answer for spammers on server |
| 13:24.30 | gregj | but a bit different ones |
| 13:24.36 | gregj | ;) |
| 13:26.39 | gregj | well, i had small problem reading logs sometimes |
| 13:26.40 | Xiaoqi | JD: why r u sorry? |
| 13:27.01 | gregj | too many 'relay denied' entries there, so i decided to do something about it |
| 13:29.10 | JD | Xiaoqi: cos I phoned you by mistake |
| 13:29.30 | Xiaoqi | it didnt get through, did it? |
| 13:29.39 | JD | obviously not |
| 13:29.50 | Xiaoqi | i didnt notice,a dn phone has no missed calls... |
| 13:29.56 | Xiaoqi | so no worries! |
| 13:29.58 | JD | good |
| 13:30.01 | JD | :) |
| 13:34.22 | Leeds | this has to be a joke: |
| 13:34.50 | Leeds | "The other [new reality TV show] involves Amish young people undergoing the ritual of "rumspringa," in which they venture out into the real world and test the strength of their beliefs" |
| 13:39.52 | formi | do tape it |
| 13:40.23 | JD | can't be any worse then the simple life |
| 13:40.42 | JD | lets put som socialites in the middle of a redneck community |
| 13:42.00 | formi | send them to lap-dancers club and see their faces |
| 13:42.36 | Tarragon | Not a joke. Well TV show might be. When I was in Iowa, I met a couple of lads doing a rumspringa. |
| 13:48.36 | JD | Xiaoqi: just got a phone call from wethrin |
| 13:48.46 | JD | saying "did you call?" |
| 13:48.54 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 13:49.04 | Xiaoqi | oopsishness |
| 13:50.10 | JD | I called him just before calling you |
| 13:51.27 | Xiaoqi | how did you manage to call us two? |
| 14:45.14 | irvined | AFternoon |
| 14:46.57 | nasrat | `/window 13 |
| 14:47.01 | nasrat | grr |
| 15:02.22 | *** join/#gllug wethrin_ (dankolb@2001:618:400:0:0:0:c352:637) |
| 15:10.40 | rhowe | ugh, people talking about livejournal on #brits |
| 15:13.28 | murb | liverant |
| 15:13.34 | murb | or liver ant |
| 15:16.49 | Leeds | small and scouse? |
| 15:17.00 | Leeds | or a small sco user? |
| 15:17.12 | *** join/#gllug ar (~ar@bob.nooneishere.co.uk) |
| 15:27.41 | ar | hi |
| 15:43.06 | amias | are there any sco users left ? |
| 15:43.27 | murb | yes loads of scousers in liverpool. |
| 15:44.35 | Leeds | I'm still a SCO user... well... I still use some hardware with a SCO asset tag on it... |
| 15:46.59 | murb | ooh date for geekski has been announced! |
| 15:51.26 | amias | can anyone remeber what the device node numbers are for /dev/loop |
| 15:52.30 | Leeds | /dev/loop0 is 7,0 |
| 15:52.37 | amias | tar |
| 15:52.45 | Leeds | cpio |
| 15:52.49 | murb | arj |
| 15:53.06 | amias | block right ? |
| 15:53.16 | Leeds | rar |
| 15:53.21 | Leeds | yes, block |
| 15:53.32 | amias | lzh |
| 15:53.52 | Leeds | lha |
| 15:54.10 | murb | pax |
| 15:54.21 | pawel | ace |
| 15:54.42 | murb | zip |
| 15:54.47 | pawel | zip |
| 15:54.50 | pawel | :> |
| 15:55.13 | pawel | cab |
| 15:55.48 | pawel | z |
| 15:56.03 | pawel | blah. |
| 15:56.09 | pawel | hi Leeds. |
| 15:56.45 | murb | anyone who wants to geekski flights to munich are 50 quid inc taxes. |
| 15:57.19 | formi | murb all inclusive |
| 15:57.19 | murb | 21/3 -> 28/3 |
| 15:57.47 | formi | just reread it, sorry |
| 15:59.06 | murb | do i get 59 quid train or 57 quid flight for fosdem? |
| 15:59.19 | formi | train is more fun |
| 15:59.26 | murb | flight is also much cheaper to get beginning of. |
| 15:59.39 | murb | 15 quid compared to 5 quid or somthing for bus both directions. |
| 15:59.47 | formi | you can run around shouting "don't take pics of me" |
| 15:59.57 | murb | why? |
| 16:00.01 | Tarragon | Then get flight and beers in at other end |
| 16:01.05 | formi | http://formi.sdf-eu.org/mini_install/007.jpg |
| 16:01.26 | formi | and you can threaten with your big gun |
| 16:02.54 | Tarragon | ;-) |
| 16:02.59 | amias | eek you ugly |
| 16:06.31 | formi | amias: you don't need to remind him, the mirror shouts at him every morning :-> |
| 16:08.59 | Leeds | formi: warn people if you're posting non-work-safe photos! |
| 16:09.00 | zachary | I think we need to have a "GLLUG mugshot of the day" Starting with that nice picture of murb. |
| 16:10.49 | formi | i've just had passport style photos taken, im not sure they are safe |
| 16:11.43 | amias | anyone recoginse these bytes as a file header ? ^@<90><80>@^@<98><80> |
| 16:11.57 | amias | as mangled by vi ;-) |
| 16:12.46 | Leeds | amias: run xxd on the file |
| 16:12.46 | Leeds | after, obviously, running file on the file |
| 16:12.46 | formi | amias: i wouldn't open dodgy files with vi, cat should be safer |
| 16:13.20 | murb | also it is sometimes fun to run libmagic throught a file looking for suspious signatures. |
| 16:14.07 | formi | Leeds: about non-work-safe pics, you are in a public chatroom, not that im going to point to any "risky" photos |
| 16:14.59 | Leeds | formi: I meant more in the sense of vomiting on my work computer... |
| 16:15.05 | amias | I'm trying disasamble a firmware upgrade for my router |
| 16:16.07 | Leeds | ah, that |
| 16:16.25 | formi | Leeds: imagine the reason for claiming on the warranty!! |
| 16:16.27 | Leeds | is there any particular reason why it's not just a ROM dump? |
| 16:16.32 | Leeds | formi: heh |
| 16:17.06 | formi | Leeds: sorry, some employee drop highly corrosive human liquids on the keyboard !!! |
| 16:17.25 | amias | cos it uses linux and i'm expecting a filesystem |
| 16:17.44 | amias | if it was a rom dump would it be possible to mount it via loopback somehow ? |
| 16:18.55 | formi | Leeds:I suppose you've seen tubgirl.com |
| 16:18.57 | murb | amias: what is your router? |
| 16:19.22 | Leeds | amias: it could well be something like a bootloader, a kernel and filesystem concatenated |
| 16:19.33 | murb | Leeds: yeah that is normal. |
| 16:19.49 | murb | there was a talk on reverse engineering linux based router firmware images on 20C3 |
| 16:20.48 | murb | given by harald welte, he is planning on sueing atleast one german based company. |
| 16:21.42 | Leeds | dwmw2 (David Woodhouse - spoke at UKUUG about jffs2) has been hassling linksys heavily about their stuff |
| 16:25.38 | amias | murb: Netgear DG834G |
| 16:26.39 | murb | Leeds: apparntly that is being handled by the FSF who are doing a wait waiting thing, which cisco are quite happy with. |
| 16:26.56 | murb | because they then give in and fold when teh product has been EOLed in about a year. |
| 16:27.05 | murb | (which is the max life for those sort of products) |
| 16:28.38 | murb | normally you should expect a romfs signature. |
| 16:29.27 | murb | amias: if you have got a pointer to the firmware that i can grab, i'll find you the fs etc if you want. |
| 16:29.31 | Leeds | or cramfs or jffs2 or... |
| 16:29.39 | amias | murb - cool m just a tic |
| 16:30.54 | amias | murb: ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/dg834_a1_03_00.img |
| 16:31.25 | amias | they do at least provide the gpl'ed packages that where used |
| 16:31.52 | amias | same dir DG834_1.02.00_GPL.tgz |
| 16:32.50 | amias | but its mostly useless as the packages are patched but not configured |
| 16:37.09 | gregj | wethrin_: keep on going to pub today ? |
| 16:37.16 | gregj | s/keep/keen/ |
| 16:37.51 | gregj | his away I think |
| 16:37.52 | gregj | well |
| 16:38.10 | Leeds | well, it does FTP - I can see that much |
| 16:40.24 | amias | Leeds: the router firmware ? |
| 16:40.37 | Leeds | the bootloader on it |
| 16:40.46 | amias | its uploaded via a web form |
| 16:40.47 | Leeds | the kernel seems to start at 0x20000 |
| 16:40.59 | amias | how do you find this out ? |
| 16:41.14 | Leeds | xxd |
| 16:41.29 | Leeds | and pattern recognition :-0 |
| 16:42.13 | murb | or hexdump -C |
| 16:43.36 | amias | is there a tool to make these files or are the literaly 'cat' together files of a fixed length |
| 16:44.33 | Leeds | they'll probably have a small tool - it's not very hard |
| 16:45.02 | amias | just knowing the right sizes is the difficult bit ( from my end anyway ) |
| 16:48.26 | amias | its just going to be a bit scary |
| 16:50.12 | Leeds | the main problem, of course, is that depending on how they've setup the machine, you can brick it if you're messing with firmware |
| 16:51.05 | amias | it has a reset button on the back which maywell restore from a default firmware |
| 16:51.21 | amias | but i doubt it |
| 16:51.34 | amias | any joy finding the filesystem ? |
| 16:52.32 | Leeds | gome back to doing some work for now |
| 16:52.32 | amias | could you describe the romfs header |
| 16:53.03 | amias | bingo - 000d0010 43 6f 6d 70 72 65 73 73 65 64 20 52 4f 4d 46 53 |Compressed ROMFS| |
| 16:53.44 | murb | Anyone up for geekski this year? # http://www.yuri.org.uk/~murble/geekski-tux.txt |
| 16:55.24 | Leeds | yeah, that'd be it :-) |
| 16:55.59 | murb | amias: no it won't. |
| 16:56.06 | murb | updating your own firmware is probably a bad idea. |
| 16:56.20 | murb | unless it can netboot. |
| 16:56.49 | amias | hopefull i can find out how to make the telnet daemon usefull if i can get on to the fs |
| 16:57.18 | *** join/#gllug gregj (~gj@80.46.37.169) |
| 16:58.39 | amias | murb: i reckon it probably can , but i will check before i do anything |
| 16:59.06 | amias | murb: cheers for the tuits |
| 17:02.19 | *** join/#gllug gregj (~gj@80.46.37.169) |
| 17:07.13 | rhowe | murb: If I can find the cash, but I probably won't know until right before the date, which probably means it'll be more expensive |
| 17:07.20 | rhowe | murb: Gonna be an expensive couple of months |
| 17:07.24 | *** join/#gllug gregj (~gj@80.46.37.169) |
| 17:07.40 | murb | rhowe: problem is flights will be very expensive by then, and we need an idea of numbers for accomidation. |
| 17:07.57 | murb | rhowe: currently flights are like 50 quid return if you go on the sunday morning form munich |
| 17:08.03 | murb | rhowe: sight up to the mailing list anyway |
| 17:08.29 | rhowe | murb: Mailing list? |
| 17:08.51 | murb | http://hands.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geekski |
| 17:09.03 | murb | and let anyone else you know who may be intersted. |
| 17:09.07 | rhowe | OK |
| 17:17.15 | amias | w000t - mounted the filesystem from my rom image |
| 17:22.43 | amias | looks very like slackware to me |
| 17:25.47 | anth | /quit |
| 17:33.11 | JD | murb: ping |
| 17:33.54 | formi | news: the U$ sugar companies have Bush hanged by the balls on tackling obessity |
| 17:34.45 | murb | JD: pong. |
| 17:34.57 | amias | s/sugar// && s/obessity/anything/ |
| 17:35.27 | wethrin_ | Hello |
| 17:41.48 | JD | murb chat in a min |
| 17:53.33 | evangineer | formi: do you have a link for the Bush/sugar/obesity thing? |
| 17:57.13 | JD | murb: Huhn wasn't talking about me and strage drinks was she? |
| 17:58.50 | Leeds | evangineer: woo! :-) |
| 17:58.57 | murb | JD: when? |
| 17:59.32 | JD | murb: geek-ski ML |
| 18:00.03 | murb | JD: did you geekski last year? |
| 18:00.06 | murb | so no it wasn't about you. |
| 18:00.12 | murb | it was about some censored photos |
| 18:00.16 | murb | taken last year. |
| 18:00.27 | murb | JD: are you up for geekski this year? |
| 18:00.40 | wethrin | Is it actually happening? |
| 18:00.42 | JD | murb: well I assumed no, but then I coudn't remembre anyone called david that went last night and worried she was talking about fosdem |
| 18:00.55 | JD | murb: I don't think so |
| 18:01.02 | JD | not even sure about fosdem |
| 18:01.11 | evangineer | Leeds: moo! |
| 18:01.13 | murb | oh 'ork? |
| 18:02.31 | Leeds | evangineer: that was a delayed woo to the Tech Days comment... |
| 18:02.46 | evangineer | Leeds: I know! ;-) |
| 18:03.09 | Leeds | good! |
| 18:04.41 | formi | evangineer: heard it on channel 5 news |
| 18:04.53 | evangineer | formi: I see |
| 18:04.59 | formi | you might check their website |
| 18:08.53 | evangineer | formi: just did, no use. |
| 18:10.15 | evangineer | just searched google news for bush sugar obesity, got some good links back |
| 18:18.26 | formi | google knows all, doesn't tell you all but that's another thing |
| 18:26.23 | Leeds | ah, bless... they're still planning to try to contact Beagle 2 at the weekend... |
| 18:29.30 | *** join/#gllug irvined (~irvined@home.irvined.co.uk) |
| 18:56.48 | Cope | murb: ping |
| 18:56.59 | wethrin | Hm. Anyone know who Michael Jenson is? |
| 18:57.18 | murb | Cope: pong. |
| 18:57.32 | murb | wethrin: geekski! |
| 18:57.42 | Cope | wethrin: nope. btw if you want a sun box, I may be able to source you something v.cheap - more soon. |
| 18:57.42 | Leeds | wethrin: strange strange man |
| 18:58.22 | Cope | murb: email address? job opportunity for you.. not with my company, but something I have been sent today from an agency. |
| 18:58.31 | Leeds | Cope: I hope that's not *grey market* stuff! |
| 18:58.39 | Cope | Leeds: not at all! |
| 18:59.34 | wethrin | Cope: Do let me know :) |
| 18:59.44 | wethrin | murb: When? :) |
| 18:59.52 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes :-/ |
| 19:00.07 | Leeds | wethrin: not (just) you |
| 19:00.37 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 19:01.13 | murb | wethrin: http://www.yuri.org.uk/~murble/geekski-tux.txt |
| 19:01.41 | murb | and the flights are looking quite cheap at the moment. |
| 19:01.59 | murb | if we all go to munich then we can get a cheap group ticket to myhofen. |
| 19:02.37 | wethrin | Right. I'll have to look at dates of term |
| 19:06.25 | wethrin | After food :) |
| 19:27.37 | Cope | lo nasrat |
| 19:30.49 | nasrat | hey |
| 19:42.15 | evangineer | Cope: How's it feel to be a wage slave again? |
| 19:42.44 | murb | but, but you've not been paid yet! |
| 19:43.37 | evangineer | Cope: so what actually happened on your first day of work? |
| 19:44.20 | murb | got to sign the company confidentialty agreemnet :) |
| 19:44.33 | murb | (although he probably isn't permitted to tell us that) |
| 19:44.40 | wethrin | Ah. So beer's on Cope, then? :) |
| 19:56.40 | formi | evangineer: tune into channel 5 |
| 19:56.54 | murb | formi: when you put your credit cards behind the bar |
| 19:57.17 | formi | murb: after i cut them |
| 19:58.03 | formi | in my place they say: rich people cry more about money than poor people |
| 19:58.52 | murb | clearly the rich people have more to cry about. |
| 20:00.08 | Cope | evangineer: what's the latest on the Python study group? |
| 20:00.32 | formi | murb: oh shut up, excuses are always excuses |
| 20:09.42 | formi | what was the url of that website that searches for the cheapest prices? |
| 20:10.19 | wethrin | kelkoo.co.uk? |
| 20:10.44 | formi | pricewatch.co.uk |
| 20:10.59 | formi | but i think the're was another one |
| 20:12.49 | pawel | http://hyperreal.info/bhang/jej/chodniki/chalk4.jpg |
| 20:13.02 | Cope | -ENOCONTEXT |
| 20:13.03 | pawel | http://hyperreal.info/bhang/jej/chodniki/cool2.jpg |
| 20:13.07 | Cope | -ENOCONTEXT |
| 20:13.13 | pawel | off topic. :) |
| 20:13.18 | pawel | but it's nice to look. |
| 20:14.02 | pawel | it's paited on the steet - bricks. |
| 20:14.13 | pawel | s/paited/painted/ |
| 20:14.33 | gregj | Cope: :-) |
| 20:14.36 | wethrin | There will be a London.pm techmeet on Thursday evening. That is all. |
| 20:14.52 | Cope | gregj: hey gregj! |
| 20:15.07 | gregj | wethrin: any chance to announce it on gllug-social ? |
| 20:15.23 | wethrin | It's a tech meet. Not a social thing :) |
| 20:15.28 | gregj | i will have a chance to see if procmailrc is running fine :-) |
| 20:15.34 | gregj | oh |
| 20:15.36 | gregj | London.pm |
| 20:15.37 | gregj | i see |
| 20:15.41 | Cope | Anyone anywhere near a solaris box =<SunOS 5.8? |
| 20:15.43 | gregj | Cope: howdy |
| 20:15.53 | wethrin | Be patient. I'm going to mention about concerts soon, I think |
| 20:16.03 | wethrin | Cope: Yes. About 3 metres away. |
| 20:16.09 | wethrin | (vertically) |
| 20:16.14 | wethrin | But it's not turned on |
| 20:16.42 | wethrin | Kicking it upwards? |
| 20:16.51 | Cope | Ah - trying to remember what the defauly block size is for df - 1K or 1024? |
| 20:17.03 | wethrin | 1K==1024 |
| 20:17.06 | gregj | 1k==1024 |
| 20:17.10 | gregj | :- |
| 20:17.16 | Cope | you know what I mean |
| 20:17.23 | gregj | no |
| 20:17.54 | Cope | I mean is 1024 or 1 |
| 20:18.03 | wethrin | It's never 1. |
| 20:18.05 | gregj | oh |
| 20:18.10 | wethrin | Normally 512 or 1024 |
| 20:18.14 | gregj | well, in theory it can be |
| 20:18.16 | Cope | ok |
| 20:18.22 | gregj | but it will be waste of space |
| 20:18.35 | wethrin | dd if=/dev/zero count=1 |
| 20:18.40 | wethrin | That'll tell you the block size |
| 20:18.50 | gregj | man df will as well |
| 20:18.55 | wethrin | (my dd told me '512 bytes transferred') |
| 20:19.00 | wethrin | Yes, but that requires loading up man :) |
| 20:19.04 | gregj | :-) |
| 20:19.16 | Cope | gregj: did you miss the part where I implied that I wasn't bear a solaris box? |
| 20:20.14 | wethrin | Linux dd-- - doesn't show bytes transferred |
| 20:20.24 | gregj | -v |
| 20:20.25 | gregj | ? |
| 20:20.43 | gregj | no |
| 20:20.49 | wethrin | No. |
| 20:20.51 | gregj | Cope: you can always say bs=1024 |
| 20:21.14 | gregj | Cope: it is quite good to read large block first and than write, as long as it fits in memory |
| 20:21.20 | gregj | this way it is more efficient |
| 20:21.29 | wethrin | It's 512 bytes on OS X, OpenBSD and Linux |
| 20:21.49 | gregj | hang on |
| 20:21.53 | Cope | Well, what I actually wnat to do is write a script for some older solaris boxes that gives 'human-readable' results from df. |
| 20:22.06 | gregj | linux dd (gnu dd) just showed me how many bytes were transfered |
| 20:22.22 | gregj | Cope: you can use gnu dd on solaris |
| 20:22.23 | nasrat | Cope: bc or dc may help |
| 20:22.35 | gregj | bc is good |
| 20:22.36 | gregj | :] |
| 20:22.47 | Cope | nasrat: not when I have to do several hundred queries? |
| 20:23.10 | Cope | greg: I am not interested in dd - I am interested in df |
| 20:23.25 | gregj | you can get all GNU tools for solaris |
| 20:23.36 | gregj | ppl tend to use them more often than SUNs ones |
| 20:23.48 | Cope | gregj: I am not going to install gnu tools on 60+ client boxes. |
| 20:23.52 | wethrin | gregj: Maybe I'm just using an old version |
| 20:23.54 | nasrat | indeed sun ship them on a companion cd |
| 20:23.59 | wethrin | 4.1 |
| 20:24.13 | wethrin | dc is better :) |
| 20:24.17 | wethrin | RPN++ |
| 20:24.28 | gregj | :-) |
| 20:24.46 | gregj | Cope: well, that is a problem |
| 20:24.54 | wethrin | Good thing to not need brackets |
| 20:25.02 | gregj | Cope: on the other hand, you will have to copy your script to those boxes too |
| 20:25.13 | gregj | and easy to parse |
| 20:28.03 | wethrin | Shostakovich++ |
| 20:28.20 | gregj | when ? :-) |
| 20:28.24 | wethrin | (5th Symphony is playing just now on a CD player near me) |
| 20:28.33 | wethrin | gregj: And beginning of Feb in RFH |
| 20:29.25 | Cope | 5th symphony is the microsoft of shostakovich |
| 20:29.36 | wethrin | But the Finale is a wonderful movement |
| 20:29.40 | Cope | Awesome. |
| 20:30.36 | wethrin | Right, well, for the concerts I'd like to go to (before I post them onto -social): |
| 20:30.57 | wethrin | Thu. 29/01 (next week): Smetana - Bartered Bride overture, Dvorak Violin Concerto, Shostakovich #7 |
| 20:31.09 | Cope | Leningrad |
| 20:31.19 | wethrin | Err. Probably :) |
| 20:31.40 | Cope | Who' |
| 20:31.41 | wethrin | yes |
| 20:31.44 | Cope | Who's conducting |
| 20:32.15 | wethrin | Oh. Oops. I've made a mistake. |
| 20:32.20 | wethrin | It's actually Dvorak #7 |
| 20:32.37 | Cope | Mackerras is the expert on Smetaba and Dvorjak |
| 20:33.25 | wethrin | Jiri Belohlavek conducting the Philharmonia Orchestra |
| 20:35.14 | wethrin | Sat. 31/01 - Beethoven Symphony #1 + Triple Concerto, and Shostakovich #1 |
| 20:35.20 | Cope | 1905 |
| 20:35.20 | highbury | cope: why would you need all the gnu tools on your client machines? |
| 20:35.33 | Cope | highbury: I don't - that was the point. |
| 20:35.45 | wethrin | Tue. 03/02 - Beethoven Violin Concerto and Shostakovich #5 |
| 20:37.07 | wethrin | So anyway, interested? |
| 20:37.29 | Cope | Ooh! |
| 20:38.24 | wethrin | Cool :) |
| 20:38.30 | Cope | wethrin: well, 31/01 looks good, but the usual caveats apply, and the likelihood of me actually going is pretty low, as usual. |
| 20:39.16 | wethrin | :-/ |
| 20:49.54 | formi | i seem to remenber Ipswich is at the end of a tube line, can somebody confirm this? |
| 20:51.34 | Cope | http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubemap/default.asp |
| 20:52.29 | formi | not give me a link meant |
| 20:52.29 | Cope | That should confirm that Ipswich isn't at the end of a tube line. |
| 20:52.29 | wethrin | Ipswitch? NAFAIK |
| 20:52.29 | wethrin | I think that needs a mainline/suburban train |
| 20:54.13 | formi | i have the idea of seen that name on a tube or train, not important anymore |
| 20:54.49 | formi | i just lost an ebay auction |
| 20:55.03 | formi | by 3 seconds |
| 20:55.13 | stephen | 'tis always the way with ebay |
| 20:55.36 | formi | i have quite a good sucess rate |
| 21:00.36 | formi | anyway |
| 21:00.46 | formi | im off for a nap |
| 21:00.53 | formi | see ya all |
| 21:06.05 | zachary | rhowe: That is one of the best ideas for the day. |
| 21:06.20 | rhowe | zachary: Yeah.. the other one would be to think about packing |
| 21:09.31 | rhowe | $ time find /usr/local/media/music/MP3/ -type f -name '*.mp3' > ~/playlist.m3u |
| 21:09.31 | rhowe | real 0m0.209s |
| 21:09.40 | rhowe | $ wc -l ~/playlist.m3u |
| 21:09.40 | rhowe | 4717 /home/rhowe/playlist.m3u |
| 21:09.48 | rhowe | hm, that's quite a lot of files per second :) |
| 21:10.19 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (~simon@host81-130-46-158.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:10.25 | mozrat | evening! |
| 21:10.39 | rhowe | evenin' |
| 21:21.23 | evangineer | Cope: Nothing new to report yet! |
| 21:23.37 | Cope | evening mozrat, rhowe, evangineer |
| 21:23.46 | mozrat | Evening |
| 21:23.50 | Cope | ooh - and zachary |
| 21:24.52 | *** join/#gllug Nutshell (~les@82-33-169-47.cable.ubr06.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:32.06 | mozrat | Hmmm, I was hoping jason_ukfsn would be in tonight. Does anyone know if UKFSN use spamassassin or alike to tag mail for their clients? |
| 21:32.35 | mozrat | Cope: did you start work yet? |
| 21:46.43 | rhowe | Cope: How's it? |
| 21:53.08 | *** join/#gllug atrazine (~atrazine@193.129.76.82) |
| 21:54.42 | *** join/#gllug mozrat_ (~simon@host81-130-46-158.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:07.26 | Cope | Hard to say so far... sat in on some meetings, consulted on disk setup for huge oracle server |
| 22:07.48 | Cope | Signs lots of paper |
| 22:25.48 | Cope | Anyone used rdesktop much? |
| 22:25.49 | murb | yeah, it works. |
| 22:25.49 | rhowe | Cope: Sure, it's a most useful bit of software |
| 22:25.50 | rhowe | Cope: Although to talk to our Win2k servers, I have to call it with -4, since they don't like speaking the new version of the protocol |
| 22:25.50 | murb | and you use lots of tempary licenses as well, or be license free because it can pretend to be a win2k server. |
| 22:26.25 | Cope | brb baby |
| 22:34.10 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@host-212-158-207-148.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 22:35.53 | rhowe | (it authenticates against Win2k kerberos) |
| 22:38.49 | Leeds | ? |
| 22:39.36 | Leeds | how so? |
| 22:39.49 | Cope | Oh... Mozilla pisses all over it. |
| 22:40.55 | Leeds | well, yes... but, um... |
| 23:02.01 | Cope | hmmm |
| 23:02.34 | wethrin | You'd be wanting undernet |
| 23:03.51 | Leeds | or possibly ITV |
| 23:05.55 | Cope | wethrin: actually I wanted you. |
| 23:06.08 | Cope | wethrin: Oh - I meant that in a nice way.... |
| 23:06.18 | Cope | wethrin: not implying a lack of intelligence. |
| 23:06.23 | wethrin | Heh |
| 23:06.25 | wethrin | Whatup? |
| 23:06.34 | Cope | wethrin: *bsd on a laptop? |
| 23:06.41 | Cope | wethrin: thoughts, recommendations etc |
| 23:07.15 | Cope | wethrin: I was going to put fedora on work laptop, but its too slow (or fedora is too flabby) |
| 23:08.02 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 23:08.04 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:08.09 | Cope | wethrin: Now pondering something that will be kinder. |
| 23:08.12 | wethrin | Go for what you're comfortable with |
| 23:08.35 | wethrin | For a desktop-oriented laptop, I'd go for FreeBSD. Although Open is good too. |
| 23:11.06 | Cope | Oooh and everyone else has got crappy lumps of x86 - I have an ultra5 |
| 23:11.18 | Cope | (in the office bit) |
| 23:11.36 | wethrin | :) Nice. |
| 23:11.39 | wethrin | Can I have one? :) |
| 23:11.57 | wethrin | Ooooooh. |
| 23:11.58 | wethrin | U10? |
| 23:12.01 | Cope | for you I mean. |
| 23:13.52 | wethrin | Mmmmmmmmm. |
| 23:14.02 | wethrin | As long as it won't break my lack-of-balance :) |
| 23:14.52 | Leeds | nasty little box |
| 23:15.15 | Cope | Colleage has 5 x u10 and (is there a u20?) in a rack, all running suse at home. |
| 23:15.15 | wethrin | Leeds: If you're not using it...... |
| 23:15.21 | Leeds | oh, I'm using it |
| 23:15.36 | wethrin | Nasssssty little boxesssssss........ |
| 23:15.41 | wethrin | hatessssss them, we do..... |
| 23:18.55 | wethrin | 'night all |
| 23:19.02 | Cope | ;o( |
| 23:19.16 | Leeds | night |
| 23:24.07 | Cope | rhowe: have you experienced issues with copy & paste from/to rdesktop? |
| 23:30.09 | adhoc | right now i'd kill for the performance of a U10 |
| 23:30.19 | adhoc | my little ss5 is a tad on the slow side |
| 23:31.10 | Leeds | oops |
| 23:35.05 | rhowe | Cope: Yes, you need the CVS version |
| 23:35.20 | rhowe | Cope: Though I'm not sure if it works with v4 of the protocol |
| 23:35.38 | rhowe | adhoc: I know of a place that is going to be chucking a whole load of Sun Ultra10's in a skip |
| 23:35.43 | Cope | rhowe: Oooh oooh |
| 23:35.45 | rhowe | adhoc: Watch this space :) |
| 23:36.30 | Cope | rhowe: CVS version works with C&P? What's the protocol 4 issue? |
| 23:37.03 | Leeds | rhowe: they're not *that* bad |
| 23:37.29 | rhowe | Cope: There's protocol v4 and v5. v5 doesn't work for me on the Win2k servers at work, v4 does. v5 appears to be required for stuff like sound and copy+paste |
| 23:37.59 | rhowe | Leeds: Well, they're part of a cluster, which this place has on lease, except it will cost them more to send them back than they are worth, so it's planning to junk them March/April time |
| 23:38.16 | rhowe | Leeds: An AP3000, I think the cluster is, and AFAIK, the nodes are U10's |
| 23:40.02 | Leeds | not me... |
| 23:40.52 | rhowe | Leeds: Use your initiative :) |
| 23:46.09 | evangineer | rhowe: imperial? |
| 23:46.20 | rhowe | evangineer: Yup |
| 23:46.41 | rhowe | AP3000 there is due to be decommissioned. It takes up 10 racks and they need the space |
| 23:47.20 | rhowe | Anyway, I know one of the people on the network admin team there, so he's going to let me know when they get out the screwdrivers |
| 23:51.35 | highbury | leeds: you have microdrive, how do the normally connect into a standard PC? [I'm investigating a digital camera, which takes microdrives, aand need to see what else I need to buy, othert than the drive itself] |
| 23:53.50 | Leeds | highbury: I've got a USB card reader... but I don't really use the microdrive any more... |
| 23:54.07 | Leeds | solid state CF makes more sense, I think, unless you can get a big microdrive pretty cheap |
| 23:54.34 | Leeds | a microdrive is just a hard drive in a CF form factor |
| 23:59.22 | Leeds | highbury: why would you use a microdrive? |
