| 00:10.26 | gregj6 | is go-mono.com worrking for anyone ? |
| 00:10.33 | gregj6 | it fails to resolve host here |
| 00:11.52 | rhowe_ | Seems to resolve.. |
| 00:12.01 | rhowe_ | hrm, or maybe not |
| 00:31.41 | evangineer | it resolves but I'm getting a test page, so their web site must be "indisposed". ;-) |
| 00:39.01 | gregj6 | yes |
| 00:39.08 | gregj6 | that's what I am getting now too |
| 00:39.13 | gregj6 | their in maitanance |
| 00:39.15 | gregj6 | or someth |
| 00:40.36 | gregj6 | s/xsl/xsp/ |
| 00:42.36 | evangineer | xsp, cocoon? |
| 00:46.20 | evangineer | ah, that xsp! |
| 00:47.11 | evangineer | like the mono equivalent of tomcat! |
| 01:04.11 | gregj6 | xsp, mono equivalent of IIS |
| 01:04.24 | gregj6 | go-mono.comm is back again |
| 01:06.44 | evangineer | xsp is written in C# just as tomcat is written in Java, hence the comparison. |
| 01:07.24 | evangineer | tomcat is also a web server, not just a servlet runner. |
| 01:09.38 | gregj6 | xsp is also a server |
| 01:09.47 | gregj6 | can work as standalone server, bit primitive thou |
| 01:09.52 | gregj6 | hence mod_mono |
| 01:16.58 | gregj6 | just as primitive as IIS |
| 01:16.58 | gregj6 | :D |
| 01:30.00 | evangineer | hmm, one good thing about having learnt about linux using slackware. when solving problems on funky distros like gentoo, you can cut through the funkiness to the heart of the matter! |
| 01:31.30 | gregj6 | ok |
| 01:31.33 | gregj6 | gn folks |
| 01:31.41 | gregj6 | time to hit the bed |
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| 08:28.01 | Cope`Home | morning |
| 08:30.43 | morsing | morning |
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| 09:30.05 | Tarragon | Just when I thought the world was safe - Germany does not have today as a Bank holiday. Oh Well can't be that much to do in the office :-( |
| 09:31.32 | Leeds | :-( |
| 09:33.33 | morsing | It's only a bank holiday over here as far as I know |
| 09:34.05 | murb | it isn't in .de |
| 09:34.21 | morsing | nor in any scandinavian country |
| 09:35.02 | murb | I think it is also a holiday in ireland. |
| 09:35.08 | Leeds | I wonder if it is in Eastern Europe... |
| 09:35.24 | morsing | Why would it be? |
| 09:35.35 | morsing | Apparently you don't even have a reason for it! |
| 09:35.57 | murb | morsing: may bank holi,day. |
| 09:36.13 | Cope`Home | It isn't in US... which means I have to work, since I have a US client with a 1 day deadline in which to generate new verisign certificate for use with weblogic :-( |
| 09:36.16 | morsing | That not a reason [rolleyes] |
| 09:37.00 | murb | morsing: well having a holiday on may day clearly coudln't happen if possible, even when it is during the week. |
| 09:37.09 | murb | so they have to have a replacement holiday. |
| 09:40.10 | Tarragon | HArold Wilson brought it in for the UK to try and standardise with Europe in having 1 May as national labour day. The difference is in the UK we adjust the holiday to the nearest Monday. hat is why we only have eight bank holidays but get to take then all. Germany has more but does not move them. This year will be bad for German workers as Christmas day is on a Saturday |
| 09:41.08 | morsing | You move Xmas as well ;-) |
| 09:41.49 | murb | or googability :) |
| 09:41.57 | Cope`Home | lol - cycnic |
| 09:42.14 | Cope`Home | anyway - back to ssl :-) |
| 09:42.20 | murb | if it i s the correct answer who cares :) |
| 09:42.30 | Cope`Home | quite |
| 09:42.30 | Tarragon | The hoilday as is the day workers take off is moved to the monday and Tuesday for St Stephens day. Everyone will still celebrate on the Saturday. |
| 09:42.51 | Tarragon | No google, no amazing, just very very old! |
| 09:44.48 | Leeds | Tarragon: everyone will celebrate? :-) |
| 09:45.38 | Tarragon | Not in a religious sense, but you will stay in and listen to the Queen and complain about the repeats on TV, surely? |
| 09:46.04 | Cope`Home | If I encrypt a random message that, eg, Leeds sends me using my private key and send it back - is this considered insecure - can the encrypted version be used by leeds against me to find out my private key? |
| 09:46.17 | Cope`Home | (just trying to get my head around SSL) |
| 09:46.27 | Cope`Home | (in noddy stages) |
| 09:48.01 | morsing | No, they private key can't even be found if you give him the public key itself |
| 09:48.14 | morsing | THat's the beauty of RSA |
| 09:48.34 | Cope`Home | then why bother with digital signatures |
| 09:49.07 | Tarragon | By rights, no, because you have not handed over your private key. In practise it should make it easier but message lenght would be more important to crack because of patterns |
| 09:51.14 | Leeds | Tarragon: I'll probably be in Nottingham doing Jewish stuff on the 25th, so no... |
| 09:53.05 | Tarragon | If I uploaded a public key that was really mine but said it was yours, then without signature it could be used to spoof mail. Signature and message are coded with one private key and one public key, one form each party. |
| 09:53.09 | murb | morsing: yes it can, it is very simple, but not very fast. |
| 09:53.22 | murb | if you can compute descrete logriphtms fast, you may have a problem. |
| 09:54.19 | morsing | Well, you're basically trying your luck |
| 09:55.24 | murb | and you only use this normally for copmuting a session key. |
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| 09:58.44 | Leeds | mmm... bank holiday is off-peak for my ISP :-) |
| 10:00.33 | morsing | Anyone going to Linux 2004? |
| 10:01.00 | murb | to what? |
| 10:01.25 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.42 | Tarragon | In Leeds? |
| 10:02.12 | morsing | Yup |
| 10:02.29 | Leeds | oh, yeah... |
| 10:02.46 | Leeds | y'all are invited to my birthday party that weekend... in Leeds :-) |
| 10:03.28 | Tarragon | Hurrah! |
| 10:03.28 | morsing | yay |
| 10:03.28 | Leeds | it'll be the first time in about 8 years I've been in Leeds for it... |
| 10:03.35 | morsing | :-) |
| 10:06.26 | morsing | Are 30 pound microwave owens dangerous? |
| 10:06.41 | Tarragon | If dropped on your head |
| 10:06.47 | morsing | Or poor quality? |
| 10:07.11 | morsing | Is it a bad idea to buy one (I won't drop it on my head)? |
| 10:07.30 | murb | morsing: yes i'll be up for that. |
| 10:07.33 | murb | the linux20004 |
| 10:07.37 | murb | s/000/00/ |
| 10:07.52 | morsing | I'm not sure yet though |
| 10:08.09 | murb | I'm not certain but i plan to. |
| 10:08.11 | morsing | Although I have heard that Leeds is UK's premier city |
| 10:08.20 | murb | depends if it conflictgs with any other holidays. |
| 10:10.08 | Tarragon | I guess for £30 they would probably be poorer in quality - door hinge more likely to break, but would not be dangerous in useage. Would not have all the features the modern microwaves have |
| 10:11.40 | Cope`Home | What's an example of something one would never normally sign with one's private key? |
| 10:16.06 | Cope`Home | I'm here - Leeds sends Cope a message, Cope computes a digest of Leed's message, encrypts it and sends it back to leeds - doesn't this presuppose that Leeds and Cope are using the same digest algorithm? |
| 10:16.23 | morsing | Yes |
| 10:16.55 | Cope`Home | How is this the case - if everyone has the same digest algorithm what's the point in using it? |
| 10:17.20 | Cope`Home | Digest[message] is no more secure than message if everyone knows the algorithm |
| 10:19.47 | morsing | But you're using Leed's public key to encrypt it. |
| 10:20.11 | morsing | Anyone sending messages to Leeds has to use his key set |
| 10:20.12 | Tarragon | A digest algorithm can be used to check data integrity. So we all know what is in the file, but an MD5 or similar checksum is used to check it is tramsmitted OK |
| 10:23.18 | Cope`Home | My notes say: The digest is difficult to reverse and difficult to find a message that computes to the same digest value. |
| 10:23.34 | Cope`Home | Strikes me as an extra layer of protection |
| 10:24.39 | Cope`Home | This cryptography is a bit of a head spinner! |
| 10:24.43 | Cope`Home | :-) But its fun |
| 10:26.30 | morsing | Does SASL provide encryption or is it only authentication? |
| 10:37.02 | Cope`Home | both, I believe |
| 11:36.12 | Cope`Home | well we can't have a whole hour without any action. |
| 11:41.06 | wethrin | 59 minutes :) |
| 11:42.56 | wethrin | Anyone know how SATA performs compared to standard IDE? |
| 11:43.25 | morsing | Why would it be different? |
| 11:43.59 | wethrin | Data transfer rates? |
| 11:44.27 | morsing | serial SCSI is the way to go |
| 11:44.55 | wethrin | They're not very cheap :) |
| 11:45.17 | wethrin | Although, apparently, it's fairly easy to convert SATA to SAS |
| 11:49.16 | murb | wethrin: it depends on the controller and the disk |
| 11:49.29 | murb | you can in theory get nice scsi like features. |
| 11:49.46 | murb | oh and the state of the driver. |
| 11:52.07 | wethrin | Hmm. |
| 11:53.10 | wethrin | I'm thinking if it's worth moving towards SATA in the fileserver, or just sticking to standard UIDE |
| 11:53.30 | wethrin | Given that the hard drive costs about £20 more, and I can get a SATA controller for £13.50 |
| 11:59.23 | Cope`Home | hi wethrin |
| 11:59.28 | Cope`Home | any joy with ss20? |
| 12:01.48 | murb | wethrin: i think SATA is a bit of a new thing at the moment, so i'd wait. |
| 12:03.49 | Cope`Home | Does this make sense: |
| 12:03.56 | Cope`Home | Cope -> Imposter: Hello |
| 12:04.16 | Cope`Home | Imposter -> Cope: Hi, I'm Leeds, Leeds-Cert |
| 12:04.34 | Cope`Home | Cope -> Impoposter: Ok, Prove it. |
| 12:05.08 | Cope`Home | Imposter -> Cope: I am Leeds { digest[I am Leeds }!Leeds-Public Key |
| 12:05.44 | Cope`Home | ie He can't prove it because Cope can't decrypt what Imposter said using the public key gleaned from the cert? |
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| 12:21.37 | Leeds | right... time to do some stuff with the day |
| 12:32.40 | wethrin | Cope`Home: Not had a chance to play with it yet |
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