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09:58.25jason_ukfsnmonring all
09:59.35Leedshi
10:00.06jason_ukfsnis anyone else going to the AFFS annual conference/agm this weekend?
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10:02.49Leedsnot particularly planning on it, no
10:06.51murbjason_ukfsn: where is it being held?
10:08.23LeedsBirmingham
10:08.56murbso min 20 quid train fare to get their.
10:09.51Leedsor bus... or car...
10:13.06murbdon't you need a visa for higher latitudes?
10:13.53jason_ukfsnI am driving up so it anyone wants a lift...
10:14.27jason_ukfsnI understand that there is a visa exeption scheme in place for the weekend
10:15.53Leedsjason_ukfsn: so you're pimping yourself?
10:16.30jason_ukfsnI'm giving a very short talk - an update on UKFSN only. Otherwise I'm interested to hear about the new Free Software payroll software
10:26.31Leedsthe void looks back
10:26.54SlayerXPTom Trainer came back with an excellent reply to my "last night last night?" post :)
10:27.05SlayerXP"No, I'm always this dumb."
10:28.04Leedsheh
10:34.34Leedsright, time to go to work
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11:30.55murbevangineer: why?
11:31.20evangineerfor mailing lists
11:31.46murboh, have you found someone to invite you?
11:31.58evangineeryes
11:33.05SlayerXPi turned down an account
11:33.23Leedsit's pretty good for mailing lists
11:33.53SlayerXPhowso?
11:34.07Leedsthe interface is good for reading threaded discussions
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11:34.35Leedsand that's from a confirmed keyboard/text mail and news client lover
11:34.36SlayerXPso's evolution
11:35.59Leedswhatever... it works well
11:36.08LeedsI wouldn't use a local graphical mailer
11:37.20SlayerXPeach to there own
11:37.24SlayerXPtheir
11:37.37murbSlayerXP: does it not crash anymore?
11:38.07SlayerXPmurb: it's been stable enough for general use for quite some time
11:39.48murbSlayerXP: my father uses it, but complains with the crashyness.
11:40.03murbalthough that might be a problem with it and tpop3d/startls
11:40.30murbwhich causes the connection to timeout, then that component never dies.
11:40.37murband the whole thing freezes up.
11:41.07SlayerXP*shrug* works for me
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12:18.49JAVhi
12:19.19sjwho
12:20.22Leedshe
12:23.04SlayerXPhu
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12:34.26Jensonbah i gotta gio to watford on wednesday
12:35.05SlayerXPon purpose?
12:36.07Jensonyeh lol
12:36.08Jensonwell no
12:36.33Jensonthe job agancy is based in watford, just phoned offering me IT Support job, so i need to go to the agency office in watford
12:37.25SlayerXPthat's.... unusual.
12:37.30Jensoncould be quite good fun, seenas the only place i have any sense of direction is on the underground and i need to find my way around watford
12:38.42SlayerXPwatford isn't all that big
12:40.50murbJenson: didn't you have a job before?
12:42.31Georgehi
12:43.03Jensonmurb: yeh, and a boss who was a cunt
12:43.05jason_ukfsnJenson, where in watford are they? Central watford is very small and it's hard to get lost there
12:43.31jason_ukfsna parking warden?
12:43.33Jensonjason_ukfsn: dunno, all i know is i gotta get a bus from watford junction into town then call them
12:43.54jason_ukfsndon't you have an address for them Jenson?
12:44.09Jensonnope, i think i'll look that up
12:44.30jason_ukfsndoes anyone here keep a local debian mirror? If so what tool do you use to maintain it?
12:44.37murbJenson: so you quite?
12:45.00jason_ukfsnJenson, get the address and use streetmap/multimap to locate them and print out a map to bring with you - it will make your life easier
12:45.23sjwjason_ukfsn: Debian provide an rsync script for that purpose
12:45.30murbJenson: and ifyou get lost easily aquire a GPS and learn how to use it.
12:45.49Jensonjason_ukfsn: it would help if me or google had heard of them
12:46.02Jensonand if the email i just sent them hadnt bounces
12:47.38jason_ukfsnJenson, who are the agency?
12:47.54jason_ukfsnsjw, which script?
12:48.10JensonSlane Employment
12:48.30sjwjason_ukfsn: one sec
12:49.02sjwjason_ukfsn: http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync
12:49.13JensonBRB need to reboot to windows to email something to my boyfriend...quicker than sorting out my messed up mounting
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12:57.17George~nslookup www.google.com
12:59.57George~nslookup www.gwright.org.uk
13:00.16murbGeorge: the ip address of google depends on where you ask from.
13:00.21Georgemurb: yeh
13:00.38Georgemurb: I was just changing my IP address on my DNS server to the one at google to see how long propagation is
13:00.44Georgemurb: and thankfully it's instant :)
13:00.44evangineerquestion for the frequent continental travellers, should I get my euros at Stansted or in Linz?
13:00.58murbevangineer: do you have a cash card?
13:01.02murbthat does cirus
13:01.20murbevangineer: take 100 or so just incase your card doesn't work / other emergencies in cash.
13:01.46murbif you have one a credit card is generally the cheapest why of purchasing stuff, although in austria they are not that widly accepted.
13:02.03murbcash is best.
13:02.14murband the stansted airport reate will be a rippoff.
13:02.15evangineerno cirrus, will take cash
13:02.27murbcheck on line, see who is cheapest for buying the cash in the uk.
13:03.08evangineerthanks for the advice, murb
13:03.13murbevangineer: or delta?
13:03.20evangineerhave delta
13:03.39murbthat should work.
13:03.45murbalso some machines charge more commsion than others.
13:03.57murbthey nromally have a sign saying what percentage they charge non customers.
13:04.09murband you bank might also add on another charge.
13:04.15murband a transaction fee.
13:04.15LeedsJenson: it's a 5-10 minute walk from Watford Junction into town - I've just done it
13:04.17murb(mine doens't)
13:04.27evangineerthanks again, murb. you've been very helpful
13:04.29murband were selected on that basis.
13:05.06murband if you buy cash in the uk, it might be cheaper to buy it with cash rather than with a debit card..
13:05.34JensonLeeds: then i really dont a bus. im not gonna go unless i figure out who these people are anyway, i like to know where im going and who to see
13:05.59murbJenson: it might sound silly, but have you considered the GPS option?
13:06.52Jensonnot in the last 10 mins :)
13:08.34LeedsJenson: are they on the high street then?
13:08.55SlayerXP2004-05-10 13:25:06 1BN9qD-0003ob-Ct H=guzzi.amazon.com [207.171.190.151] F=<> rejected after DATA: Message contains a virus (Worm.SomeFool.Gen-1)
13:08.57SlayerXPoops :)
13:10.09JensonLeeds: exactly, i dont know coz i cant find the address
13:10.22Georgefoooooooooood
13:11.21Leedswell, neither google nor yell.co.uk seem to have heard of them
13:11.32Jensonexactly
13:11.37jason_ukfsnwhich is not a very good sign for a company offering IT jobs!
13:13.02Leedsheh
13:14.28irvinedGood Afternoon.
13:19.08Georgebrb - new KDE build
13:19.54Jensonhi irvined
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13:26.15George`Lessonscya
13:31.07Jensonright im off, need to do some stuff in town
13:31.09Jensonseeya!
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15:27.51LeedsBoo!
15:38.00GeorgeLeeds: BOO!
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16:40.43sparkesanyone know how to set 'free' info in evolution?
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17:07.42Leedsand that firefox crash is my sign to get out of here...
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17:10.46Georgehah
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17:36.58mozratCiao Leeds
17:37.04Leedsmorning
17:38.39mozratis it?
17:39.34Leedsit's always morning somewhere :-)
17:39.41mozrattrue!!
17:40.16mozratWent to Foyles near TCR to buy my book today and bought the wrong one ;-(
17:40.25mozrathopefully they'll swop tomorrow
17:40.44mozratsilly /me
17:41.32Leedswhich one did you get?
17:42.09mozratProgramming Python... a mammoth book. When I picked it up I thought the second editions got a little bigger !!
17:42.28Leedsah - I've got that one :-)
17:42.52Leedsthe '96 edition...
17:43.13LeedsI was planning to give it to someone at GLLUG at some point, as it happens... but it's pretty old
17:44.33mozratnearly put my back out lugging it home
17:44.43Leedsheh
17:48.50gregjonline
17:48.51gregj:D
17:49.36Leedswhy?
17:53.39mozratOops Leeds... he's dropped off
17:53.47Leedshah
17:53.54gregjhad no sleep
17:54.01gregjI had to finish project for today
17:54.58Leedsand did you finish it?
17:55.20gregjof coz
17:55.22gregj:D
17:55.28Leedsgood :-)
17:55.42gregjthey've requested it 2 days earlier
17:55.52gregjbloody wa^H^Hcustomers
17:55.57Leedshope you get overtime
17:56.04gregjwell , no
17:56.11gregjthat's why I want to change job
17:56.21gregjI'll get day off thou
17:56.35Leedsah well... I'd get similar
17:56.48Leedsbut I very rarely have to do much out-of-hours work
17:57.14gregjyour company respects employees
17:57.59gregjone I am working for...there are only 4 of us
18:02.29mozratTalking of working late... I'm supposed to be waiting for users to clear out of one of our offices at 5.30pm so I can do some stuff on their mail server.....
18:02.35mozratbut the office is in California
18:02.40mozratwhich equals hmmmm
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18:03.05mozratearly early
18:04.05gregjtake a nap
18:04.16mozratsays you!!
18:04.42gregjI am waiting for chinesse takeway to arrive
18:04.42gregjthan I am going straight to bed, belive me
18:04.47mozratok
18:04.48mozratgood
18:06.08mozratto bed with Chinese takeaway??
18:06.10Georgehey mozrat
18:06.27mozrathey George
18:06.30mozrathow goes it?
18:08.08GeorgeOK
18:08.29mozratgood
18:10.05gregj:-)
18:10.08gregjno, after foods
18:10.09gregj;]
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18:33.12mozrathello sparkes
18:35.19Georgegrmbl.
18:36.26mozratno kdelatin eh?
18:38.55Georgeklatin
18:38.55George:P
18:38.57Georgedunno
18:40.28highburyso it "klatu nichtu"
18:40.59gregjGeorge: yeah, me too
18:41.04gregjGeorge: not too much time to do codiing
18:41.29gregjGeorge: I gues it will end up - throw in whatever you can on time, and fix when it's beta - approach
18:46.05evangineerhearing kde developers talking about alpha releases is like hearing how sausages are made, you don't want to know!
18:46.39gregjhehehe
18:46.46gregjit is going to be alright in 3.3.3
18:46.46gregj:>
18:47.01gregjnext release will be 4.0...
18:47.18gregjbesides, 3.3.3 won't hold too many mile stones
18:47.25gregjeven not a single one I guess
18:50.27gregjeven kopete still sucks
18:50.29gregjbadly
18:52.06Georgegregj: yeh, it's a bit annoying that it's so close.
18:52.24gregjeither pay us, or give us more time
18:52.43Georgehehe
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19:19.27ShermozleHi folks.
19:19.36ShermozleWhat's the trick with getting 2.6 kernels to find the root fs?
19:22.13sjwjust make sure you have the correct drivers for your disk controller and filesystem and you should be fine
19:22.37ShermozleThat's what I would have thought -- and I have them compiled in...
19:22.46Shermozle(AMD7xxx and reiserfs)
19:23.22sjwif you're using lilo, is the root= parameter in the config file set correctly?
19:23.53ShermozleAFAIK...
19:24.04Shermozleroot=/dev/hdb2
19:24.36ShermozleAnd I've also tried adding root= on the lilo prompt.
19:24.48sjwooh, you're trying to boot off a slave device?
19:25.03sjwhrm, last time I tried, Linux really didn't like that
19:25.24ShermozleWorks fine under 2.4.x
19:25.45sjwyer, I had that, worked fine under 2.4.x, but not under a custom compiled 2.5.x kernel
19:25.54murbsjw: did you forget ide support?
19:25.56murbor somthing.
19:26.19murbor make it modular
19:26.35sjwmurb: nope
19:26.35sjwnegative again
19:26.45ShermozleI most certainly have IDE compiled in (not module) and my controller...
19:26.47murbdevfs or somthing?
19:26.56murbis the controller detected?
19:26.58Shermozlesimon@chimay:~$ ls /proc/ide/
19:26.58Shermozleamd74xx  drivers  hda  hdb  hdc  hdd  ide0  ide1
19:27.15murbdoes it talk about failing to exec init?
19:27.25ShermozleNah, kernel panic because it can't find root fs...
19:27.34murbcan it read the partition table?
19:27.42ShermozleHere's the bit that bothers me...
19:27.43Shermozlelilo
19:27.43ShermozleWarning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
19:27.43Shermozle<PROTECTED>
19:27.43ShermozleAdded DEB 2.4.25-0 *
19:27.43ShermozleAdded DEB 2.4.26-1
19:27.45ShermozleAdded DEB 2.6.5
19:27.48murbhave you got moudular ext3 or ext2?
19:27.51murbs/or/and/
19:28.00ShermozleWhat does the /proc/partitions matching /dev thing all about?
19:28.19murbShermozle: means you might be getting confused about disks.
19:28.27murbthe bios might think one thing and linux another.
19:28.29Shermozleroot fs is reiser and, yes, it's compiled in.
19:28.38murbso /dev/hda might actually be /dev/hdc or vv.
19:29.10ShermozleNah.  /dev/hda is definitely Master on the first IDE interface...
19:29.53Shermozlebrw-rw----    1 root     disk       3,   0 2004-03-23 21:48 /dev/hda
19:30.06ShermozleSeems to match:
19:30.07Shermozle<PROTECTED>
19:31.54ShermozleGonna try moving hdb2 to hda3 -- will see how it goes....
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19:38.32ShermozleBah.  Still no joy :(
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19:58.57ShermozleStill not working.  Annoying!
19:59.15ShermozleThe last thing it comes up with before trying to mount root is something about ACPI -- which I don't have enabled. ?!?!?
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20:18.35mozratI'd like you all to stop what your doing please.....
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20:18.42mozratand help me fix my sound problem ;-)
20:19.23mozratI have sound, using esd I think, but ogle keeps bombing out with a message about : failed opening the alsa audio driver at pcm
20:19.55Kyojicould u check your kernel setting...
20:20.22mozratuh huh
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20:51.48wethrinEvening-thing
20:52.43Georgehi wethrin
20:52.44George:)
20:56.31mozrathello wethrin
20:56.34mozratthing
20:59.01wethrinDoes OS X have some QoS built in to it?
20:59.06wethrin(that's settable)
20:59.17wethrinGrrr. ADSL modem lost its connection
21:09.30murbwethrin: QoS for what?
21:09.59mozratbbl
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21:12.52wethrinWell, give ssh and pop traffic priority over everything else
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21:17.49londonboievening
21:17.59wethrinOioi
21:18.20londonboihows things
21:26.00wethrinMy ADSL modem crashed *again*
21:26.11mozratHow are you not getting cut off then??
21:26.20wethrinI run via screen
21:26.28wethrinOn my server in mailbox
21:26.32mozratahh
21:27.18londonboiSilly question time, what is the console command to check what address pci devices are located?
21:27.52mozratcat /proc/pci
21:28.04rhowelspci is handy too
21:28.04londonboithanks :)
21:28.09mozratand it's not a silly question ;-)
21:28.12rhoweIt's prettier
21:28.22rhowelondonboi: How about "apropos pci"? :)
21:28.25mozratrhowe, yes
21:28.40londonboilol, well i was using the command most of last meek, my minds gone blank from revising today :)
21:28.47rhowelspci (8)            - list all PCI devices
21:29.01rhowesetpci (8)           - configure PCI devices
21:29.01rhoweupdate-pciids (8)    - download new version of the PCI ID list
21:29.01rhowepcitweak (1x)        - read/write PCI config space
21:29.01rhowescanpci (1x)         - scan/probe PCI buses
21:29.08londonboilspci is perfect
21:29.16rhowelondonboi: Try the -v option :)
21:29.49londonboiooo, that looks much nicer :)
21:30.21rhoweheh
21:30.27rhowe$ apropos clue
21:30.27rhoweluser (8fun)         - process to control the clueless individuals who (mis)use computer systems, peripheral devices and system administrators. Word play on "loser" and "user".
21:30.30rhowertfm (1fun)          - a response for easy questions from clueless lusers
21:31.04londonboiok, the address of my second nvidia card is 0000:02:0a.0 so how do i enter that on XF config file as?
21:31.27rhowe0:2:a? *shrug*
21:31.42rhowe2:a:0?
21:31.53londonboiermm well i tried that before and it would not load it up
21:32.59londonboiahh i see, i need to put it on as 2:0:0 i think :)
21:38.35mozratnn folks
21:57.35wethrinGrrrr.
21:57.37wethrin3rd time today...
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23:26.11wethrinnn all
23:27.18mozratnn

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