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09:58.25 | jason_ukfsn | monring all |
09:59.35 | Leeds | hi |
10:00.06 | jason_ukfsn | is anyone else going to the AFFS annual conference/agm this weekend? |
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10:02.49 | Leeds | not particularly planning on it, no |
10:06.51 | murb | jason_ukfsn: where is it being held? |
10:08.23 | Leeds | Birmingham |
10:08.56 | murb | so min 20 quid train fare to get their. |
10:09.51 | Leeds | or bus... or car... |
10:13.06 | murb | don't you need a visa for higher latitudes? |
10:13.53 | jason_ukfsn | I am driving up so it anyone wants a lift... |
10:14.27 | jason_ukfsn | I understand that there is a visa exeption scheme in place for the weekend |
10:15.53 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: so you're pimping yourself? |
10:16.30 | jason_ukfsn | I'm giving a very short talk - an update on UKFSN only. Otherwise I'm interested to hear about the new Free Software payroll software |
10:26.31 | Leeds | the void looks back |
10:26.54 | SlayerXP | Tom Trainer came back with an excellent reply to my "last night last night?" post :) |
10:27.05 | SlayerXP | "No, I'm always this dumb." |
10:28.04 | Leeds | heh |
10:34.34 | Leeds | right, time to go to work |
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11:30.55 | murb | evangineer: why? |
11:31.20 | evangineer | for mailing lists |
11:31.46 | murb | oh, have you found someone to invite you? |
11:31.58 | evangineer | yes |
11:33.05 | SlayerXP | i turned down an account |
11:33.23 | Leeds | it's pretty good for mailing lists |
11:33.53 | SlayerXP | howso? |
11:34.07 | Leeds | the interface is good for reading threaded discussions |
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11:34.35 | Leeds | and that's from a confirmed keyboard/text mail and news client lover |
11:34.36 | SlayerXP | so's evolution |
11:35.59 | Leeds | whatever... it works well |
11:36.08 | Leeds | I wouldn't use a local graphical mailer |
11:37.20 | SlayerXP | each to there own |
11:37.24 | SlayerXP | their |
11:37.37 | murb | SlayerXP: does it not crash anymore? |
11:38.07 | SlayerXP | murb: it's been stable enough for general use for quite some time |
11:39.48 | murb | SlayerXP: my father uses it, but complains with the crashyness. |
11:40.03 | murb | although that might be a problem with it and tpop3d/startls |
11:40.30 | murb | which causes the connection to timeout, then that component never dies. |
11:40.37 | murb | and the whole thing freezes up. |
11:41.07 | SlayerXP | *shrug* works for me |
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12:18.49 | JAV | hi |
12:19.19 | sjw | ho |
12:20.22 | Leeds | he |
12:23.04 | SlayerXP | hu |
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12:34.26 | Jenson | bah i gotta gio to watford on wednesday |
12:35.05 | SlayerXP | on purpose? |
12:36.07 | Jenson | yeh lol |
12:36.08 | Jenson | well no |
12:36.33 | Jenson | the job agancy is based in watford, just phoned offering me IT Support job, so i need to go to the agency office in watford |
12:37.25 | SlayerXP | that's.... unusual. |
12:37.30 | Jenson | could be quite good fun, seenas the only place i have any sense of direction is on the underground and i need to find my way around watford |
12:38.42 | SlayerXP | watford isn't all that big |
12:40.50 | murb | Jenson: didn't you have a job before? |
12:42.31 | George | hi |
12:43.03 | Jenson | murb: yeh, and a boss who was a cunt |
12:43.05 | jason_ukfsn | Jenson, where in watford are they? Central watford is very small and it's hard to get lost there |
12:43.31 | jason_ukfsn | a parking warden? |
12:43.33 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: dunno, all i know is i gotta get a bus from watford junction into town then call them |
12:43.54 | jason_ukfsn | don't you have an address for them Jenson? |
12:44.09 | Jenson | nope, i think i'll look that up |
12:44.30 | jason_ukfsn | does anyone here keep a local debian mirror? If so what tool do you use to maintain it? |
12:44.37 | murb | Jenson: so you quite? |
12:45.00 | jason_ukfsn | Jenson, get the address and use streetmap/multimap to locate them and print out a map to bring with you - it will make your life easier |
12:45.23 | sjw | jason_ukfsn: Debian provide an rsync script for that purpose |
12:45.30 | murb | Jenson: and ifyou get lost easily aquire a GPS and learn how to use it. |
12:45.49 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: it would help if me or google had heard of them |
12:46.02 | Jenson | and if the email i just sent them hadnt bounces |
12:47.38 | jason_ukfsn | Jenson, who are the agency? |
12:47.54 | jason_ukfsn | sjw, which script? |
12:48.10 | Jenson | Slane Employment |
12:48.30 | sjw | jason_ukfsn: one sec |
12:49.02 | sjw | jason_ukfsn: http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync |
12:49.13 | Jenson | BRB need to reboot to windows to email something to my boyfriend...quicker than sorting out my messed up mounting |
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12:57.17 | George | ~nslookup www.google.com |
12:59.57 | George | ~nslookup www.gwright.org.uk |
13:00.16 | murb | George: the ip address of google depends on where you ask from. |
13:00.21 | George | murb: yeh |
13:00.38 | George | murb: I was just changing my IP address on my DNS server to the one at google to see how long propagation is |
13:00.44 | George | murb: and thankfully it's instant :) |
13:00.44 | evangineer | question for the frequent continental travellers, should I get my euros at Stansted or in Linz? |
13:00.58 | murb | evangineer: do you have a cash card? |
13:01.02 | murb | that does cirus |
13:01.20 | murb | evangineer: take 100 or so just incase your card doesn't work / other emergencies in cash. |
13:01.46 | murb | if you have one a credit card is generally the cheapest why of purchasing stuff, although in austria they are not that widly accepted. |
13:02.03 | murb | cash is best. |
13:02.14 | murb | and the stansted airport reate will be a rippoff. |
13:02.15 | evangineer | no cirrus, will take cash |
13:02.27 | murb | check on line, see who is cheapest for buying the cash in the uk. |
13:03.08 | evangineer | thanks for the advice, murb |
13:03.13 | murb | evangineer: or delta? |
13:03.20 | evangineer | have delta |
13:03.39 | murb | that should work. |
13:03.45 | murb | also some machines charge more commsion than others. |
13:03.57 | murb | they nromally have a sign saying what percentage they charge non customers. |
13:04.09 | murb | and you bank might also add on another charge. |
13:04.15 | murb | and a transaction fee. |
13:04.15 | Leeds | Jenson: it's a 5-10 minute walk from Watford Junction into town - I've just done it |
13:04.17 | murb | (mine doens't) |
13:04.27 | evangineer | thanks again, murb. you've been very helpful |
13:04.29 | murb | and were selected on that basis. |
13:05.06 | murb | and if you buy cash in the uk, it might be cheaper to buy it with cash rather than with a debit card.. |
13:05.34 | Jenson | Leeds: then i really dont a bus. im not gonna go unless i figure out who these people are anyway, i like to know where im going and who to see |
13:05.59 | murb | Jenson: it might sound silly, but have you considered the GPS option? |
13:06.52 | Jenson | not in the last 10 mins :) |
13:08.34 | Leeds | Jenson: are they on the high street then? |
13:08.55 | SlayerXP | 2004-05-10 13:25:06 1BN9qD-0003ob-Ct H=guzzi.amazon.com [207.171.190.151] F=<> rejected after DATA: Message contains a virus (Worm.SomeFool.Gen-1) |
13:08.57 | SlayerXP | oops :) |
13:10.09 | Jenson | Leeds: exactly, i dont know coz i cant find the address |
13:10.22 | George | foooooooooood |
13:11.21 | Leeds | well, neither google nor yell.co.uk seem to have heard of them |
13:11.32 | Jenson | exactly |
13:11.37 | jason_ukfsn | which is not a very good sign for a company offering IT jobs! |
13:13.02 | Leeds | heh |
13:14.28 | irvined | Good Afternoon. |
13:19.08 | George | brb - new KDE build |
13:19.54 | Jenson | hi irvined |
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13:26.15 | George`Lessons | cya |
13:31.07 | Jenson | right im off, need to do some stuff in town |
13:31.09 | Jenson | seeya! |
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15:27.51 | Leeds | Boo! |
15:38.00 | George | Leeds: BOO! |
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16:40.43 | sparkes | anyone know how to set 'free' info in evolution? |
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17:07.42 | Leeds | and that firefox crash is my sign to get out of here... |
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17:10.46 | George | hah |
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17:36.58 | mozrat | Ciao Leeds |
17:37.04 | Leeds | morning |
17:38.39 | mozrat | is it? |
17:39.34 | Leeds | it's always morning somewhere :-) |
17:39.41 | mozrat | true!! |
17:40.16 | mozrat | Went to Foyles near TCR to buy my book today and bought the wrong one ;-( |
17:40.25 | mozrat | hopefully they'll swop tomorrow |
17:40.44 | mozrat | silly /me |
17:41.32 | Leeds | which one did you get? |
17:42.09 | mozrat | Programming Python... a mammoth book. When I picked it up I thought the second editions got a little bigger !! |
17:42.28 | Leeds | ah - I've got that one :-) |
17:42.52 | Leeds | the '96 edition... |
17:43.13 | Leeds | I was planning to give it to someone at GLLUG at some point, as it happens... but it's pretty old |
17:44.33 | mozrat | nearly put my back out lugging it home |
17:44.43 | Leeds | heh |
17:48.50 | gregj | online |
17:48.51 | gregj | :D |
17:49.36 | Leeds | why? |
17:53.39 | mozrat | Oops Leeds... he's dropped off |
17:53.47 | Leeds | hah |
17:53.54 | gregj | had no sleep |
17:54.01 | gregj | I had to finish project for today |
17:54.58 | Leeds | and did you finish it? |
17:55.20 | gregj | of coz |
17:55.22 | gregj | :D |
17:55.28 | Leeds | good :-) |
17:55.42 | gregj | they've requested it 2 days earlier |
17:55.52 | gregj | bloody wa^H^Hcustomers |
17:55.57 | Leeds | hope you get overtime |
17:56.04 | gregj | well , no |
17:56.11 | gregj | that's why I want to change job |
17:56.21 | gregj | I'll get day off thou |
17:56.35 | Leeds | ah well... I'd get similar |
17:56.48 | Leeds | but I very rarely have to do much out-of-hours work |
17:57.14 | gregj | your company respects employees |
17:57.59 | gregj | one I am working for...there are only 4 of us |
18:02.29 | mozrat | Talking of working late... I'm supposed to be waiting for users to clear out of one of our offices at 5.30pm so I can do some stuff on their mail server..... |
18:02.35 | mozrat | but the office is in California |
18:02.40 | mozrat | which equals hmmmm |
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18:03.05 | mozrat | early early |
18:04.05 | gregj | take a nap |
18:04.16 | mozrat | says you!! |
18:04.42 | gregj | I am waiting for chinesse takeway to arrive |
18:04.42 | gregj | than I am going straight to bed, belive me |
18:04.47 | mozrat | ok |
18:04.48 | mozrat | good |
18:06.08 | mozrat | to bed with Chinese takeaway?? |
18:06.10 | George | hey mozrat |
18:06.27 | mozrat | hey George |
18:06.30 | mozrat | how goes it? |
18:08.08 | George | OK |
18:08.29 | mozrat | good |
18:10.05 | gregj | :-) |
18:10.08 | gregj | no, after foods |
18:10.09 | gregj | ;] |
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18:33.12 | mozrat | hello sparkes |
18:35.19 | George | grmbl. |
18:36.26 | mozrat | no kdelatin eh? |
18:38.55 | George | klatin |
18:38.55 | George | :P |
18:38.57 | George | dunno |
18:40.28 | highbury | so it "klatu nichtu" |
18:40.59 | gregj | George: yeah, me too |
18:41.04 | gregj | George: not too much time to do codiing |
18:41.29 | gregj | George: I gues it will end up - throw in whatever you can on time, and fix when it's beta - approach |
18:46.05 | evangineer | hearing kde developers talking about alpha releases is like hearing how sausages are made, you don't want to know! |
18:46.39 | gregj | hehehe |
18:46.46 | gregj | it is going to be alright in 3.3.3 |
18:46.46 | gregj | :> |
18:47.01 | gregj | next release will be 4.0... |
18:47.18 | gregj | besides, 3.3.3 won't hold too many mile stones |
18:47.25 | gregj | even not a single one I guess |
18:50.27 | gregj | even kopete still sucks |
18:50.29 | gregj | badly |
18:52.06 | George | gregj: yeh, it's a bit annoying that it's so close. |
18:52.24 | gregj | either pay us, or give us more time |
18:52.43 | George | hehe |
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19:19.27 | Shermozle | Hi folks. |
19:19.36 | Shermozle | What's the trick with getting 2.6 kernels to find the root fs? |
19:22.13 | sjw | just make sure you have the correct drivers for your disk controller and filesystem and you should be fine |
19:22.37 | Shermozle | That's what I would have thought -- and I have them compiled in... |
19:22.46 | Shermozle | (AMD7xxx and reiserfs) |
19:23.22 | sjw | if you're using lilo, is the root= parameter in the config file set correctly? |
19:23.53 | Shermozle | AFAIK... |
19:24.04 | Shermozle | root=/dev/hdb2 |
19:24.36 | Shermozle | And I've also tried adding root= on the lilo prompt. |
19:24.48 | sjw | ooh, you're trying to boot off a slave device? |
19:25.03 | sjw | hrm, last time I tried, Linux really didn't like that |
19:25.24 | Shermozle | Works fine under 2.4.x |
19:25.45 | sjw | yer, I had that, worked fine under 2.4.x, but not under a custom compiled 2.5.x kernel |
19:25.54 | murb | sjw: did you forget ide support? |
19:25.56 | murb | or somthing. |
19:26.19 | murb | or make it modular |
19:26.35 | sjw | murb: nope |
19:26.35 | sjw | negative again |
19:26.45 | Shermozle | I most certainly have IDE compiled in (not module) and my controller... |
19:26.47 | murb | devfs or somthing? |
19:26.56 | murb | is the controller detected? |
19:26.58 | Shermozle | simon@chimay:~$ ls /proc/ide/ |
19:26.58 | Shermozle | amd74xx drivers hda hdb hdc hdd ide0 ide1 |
19:27.15 | murb | does it talk about failing to exec init? |
19:27.25 | Shermozle | Nah, kernel panic because it can't find root fs... |
19:27.34 | murb | can it read the partition table? |
19:27.42 | Shermozle | Here's the bit that bothers me... |
19:27.43 | Shermozle | lilo |
19:27.43 | Shermozle | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
19:27.43 | Shermozle | <PROTECTED> |
19:27.43 | Shermozle | Added DEB 2.4.25-0 * |
19:27.43 | Shermozle | Added DEB 2.4.26-1 |
19:27.45 | Shermozle | Added DEB 2.6.5 |
19:27.48 | murb | have you got moudular ext3 or ext2? |
19:27.51 | murb | s/or/and/ |
19:28.00 | Shermozle | What does the /proc/partitions matching /dev thing all about? |
19:28.19 | murb | Shermozle: means you might be getting confused about disks. |
19:28.27 | murb | the bios might think one thing and linux another. |
19:28.29 | Shermozle | root fs is reiser and, yes, it's compiled in. |
19:28.38 | murb | so /dev/hda might actually be /dev/hdc or vv. |
19:29.10 | Shermozle | Nah. /dev/hda is definitely Master on the first IDE interface... |
19:29.53 | Shermozle | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 2004-03-23 21:48 /dev/hda |
19:30.06 | Shermozle | Seems to match: |
19:30.07 | Shermozle | <PROTECTED> |
19:31.54 | Shermozle | Gonna try moving hdb2 to hda3 -- will see how it goes.... |
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19:38.32 | Shermozle | Bah. Still no joy :( |
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19:58.57 | Shermozle | Still not working. Annoying! |
19:59.15 | Shermozle | The last thing it comes up with before trying to mount root is something about ACPI -- which I don't have enabled. ?!?!? |
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20:18.35 | mozrat | I'd like you all to stop what your doing please..... |
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20:18.42 | mozrat | and help me fix my sound problem ;-) |
20:19.23 | mozrat | I have sound, using esd I think, but ogle keeps bombing out with a message about : failed opening the alsa audio driver at pcm |
20:19.55 | Kyoji | could u check your kernel setting... |
20:20.22 | mozrat | uh huh |
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20:51.48 | wethrin | Evening-thing |
20:52.43 | George | hi wethrin |
20:52.44 | George | :) |
20:56.31 | mozrat | hello wethrin |
20:56.34 | mozrat | thing |
20:59.01 | wethrin | Does OS X have some QoS built in to it? |
20:59.06 | wethrin | (that's settable) |
20:59.17 | wethrin | Grrr. ADSL modem lost its connection |
21:09.30 | murb | wethrin: QoS for what? |
21:09.59 | mozrat | bbl |
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21:12.52 | wethrin | Well, give ssh and pop traffic priority over everything else |
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21:17.49 | londonboi | evening |
21:17.59 | wethrin | Oioi |
21:18.20 | londonboi | hows things |
21:26.00 | wethrin | My ADSL modem crashed *again* |
21:26.11 | mozrat | How are you not getting cut off then?? |
21:26.20 | wethrin | I run via screen |
21:26.28 | wethrin | On my server in mailbox |
21:26.32 | mozrat | ahh |
21:27.18 | londonboi | Silly question time, what is the console command to check what address pci devices are located? |
21:27.52 | mozrat | cat /proc/pci |
21:28.04 | rhowe | lspci is handy too |
21:28.04 | londonboi | thanks :) |
21:28.09 | mozrat | and it's not a silly question ;-) |
21:28.12 | rhowe | It's prettier |
21:28.22 | rhowe | londonboi: How about "apropos pci"? :) |
21:28.25 | mozrat | rhowe, yes |
21:28.40 | londonboi | lol, well i was using the command most of last meek, my minds gone blank from revising today :) |
21:28.47 | rhowe | lspci (8) - list all PCI devices |
21:29.01 | rhowe | setpci (8) - configure PCI devices |
21:29.01 | rhowe | update-pciids (8) - download new version of the PCI ID list |
21:29.01 | rhowe | pcitweak (1x) - read/write PCI config space |
21:29.01 | rhowe | scanpci (1x) - scan/probe PCI buses |
21:29.08 | londonboi | lspci is perfect |
21:29.16 | rhowe | londonboi: Try the -v option :) |
21:29.49 | londonboi | ooo, that looks much nicer :) |
21:30.21 | rhowe | heh |
21:30.27 | rhowe | $ apropos clue |
21:30.27 | rhowe | luser (8fun) - process to control the clueless individuals who (mis)use computer systems, peripheral devices and system administrators. Word play on "loser" and "user". |
21:30.30 | rhowe | rtfm (1fun) - a response for easy questions from clueless lusers |
21:31.04 | londonboi | ok, the address of my second nvidia card is 0000:02:0a.0 so how do i enter that on XF config file as? |
21:31.27 | rhowe | 0:2:a? *shrug* |
21:31.42 | rhowe | 2:a:0? |
21:31.53 | londonboi | ermm well i tried that before and it would not load it up |
21:32.59 | londonboi | ahh i see, i need to put it on as 2:0:0 i think :) |
21:38.35 | mozrat | nn folks |
21:57.35 | wethrin | Grrrr. |
21:57.37 | wethrin | 3rd time today... |
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23:26.11 | wethrin | nn all |
23:27.18 | mozrat | nn |